Discussion: FOX News

[ChrisBaleBatman]

And the 9/12 project has nothing to do with 9/11.


Yes it does.

That's why it's called the 9/12 project.

Otherwise, it could have been called the Patriot project...or something far away from 9/11.


He needs to take some acting lessons. I mean come on Glenn! A finger under the eye? That's too blatant. More ugly face when you're crying. And don't forget to slobber or snot. That'll get you the Oscar.



Then he should have his legs broken for being a dick on purpose.

I don't think so though. His insanity seems genuine.

But, I wouldn't be suprised if he was faking his madness.


Sean Hannity is actually really smart.. He's just too extreme right for me


From what I've read, some say he's just in it for the money. He says what he says because it's financially better for him to do so. If he could make more money on the left, then he would be on the left.

I dunno if it's even possible....because it'd take a huge douchebag to be that way.

Fox News may be #2, but they can't top Adult Swim


Or the powerful Mooninites and they're terrorist plans.

[StorminNorman]

Yes it does.

That's why it's called the 9/12 project.

Otherwise, it could have been called the Patriot project...or something far away from 9/11.

It has everything to do with the state of America on the day of 9/12. Now of course 9/11 is the reason for that mindset, but it's not about reliving the horrors of 9/11. It's not taking advantage of 9/11. Nothing like that.

From what I've read, some say he's just in it for the money. He says what he says because it's financially better for him to do so. If he could make more money on the left, then he would be on the left.

Simply not true. Hannity, while an asshat, is a true believer. His career as a Conservative started far before it was profitable.

[sinewave]

i loved jon stewart's comments last night on hannity and michelle bachman's discussion of the perceived level of tyranny coming from the obama adminstration. once again, spot on.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It has everything to do with the state of America on the day of 9/12. Now of course 9/11 is the reason for that mindset, but it's not about reliving the horrors of 9/11. It's not taking advantage of 9/11. Nothing like that.


I think labeling it the 9/12 project is taking advantage, even if only a little.

And I think his mindset is off...b/c I do remember alot of panic and anxiety on 9/12/01. Tons of fear, tons of horror still in the air.

The mindset of patriotism, I think, really hit afterward that first week.

Now the firefighters and workers who went to ground zero that first week dispite all that fear and horror probably showed that emotion earliest.

But I think the day after 9/11/01 most of us were just too freaked out, too in shock by what had happened.

I mean, if you look at it that way and listen to what he said about 9/11 families...I think it's very easy, and just so, to claim Beck is using 9/11 to his advantage.

I don't quite buy it myself, because I happen to think Beck isn't well. But I could see producers around him probably thinking that way.


Simply not true. Hannity, while an asshat, is a true believer. His career as a Conservative started far before it was profitable.


I have to agree with you.

I just don't think anyone can spew the things he's said, and NOT mean it.

I think most of the blowhards are that way...because they truly believe what they're saying.

The only pundit I can think of, that I think is faking somewhat is Coulter.

I mean, I know she's a conservative. But some of the things she says seems to get 'shock value' and get her attention.

[BlackLantern]

I saw a thing on SuperNews (its a show on Current) that had a flash cartoon with Rush as Jabba, Ann Coulter was the little creature thing, Laura Ingrahm was Slave Leia, and they kept dropping people in the rancor pit....even Meagan McCain

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I saw a thing on SuperNews (its a show on Current) that had a flash cartoon with Rush as Jabba, Ann Coulter was the little creature thing, Laura Ingrahm was Slave Leia, and they kept dropping people in the rancor pit....even Meagan McCain

laura ingrahm is no leia. :down

[StorminNorman]

I hate Laura Ingrahm more than I do Sean Hannity. Whenever she hosts the factor, I turn it off.

[StorminNorman]

Also, Megan McCain would be a better Slave Leia...for many reasons.

[BlackLantern]

Also, Megan McCain would be a better Slave Leia...for many reasons.

the cartoon was funny....when they dropped her (Megan) the Rancor pops up through the floor with Megan in its hand and told her how level headed she was and how she is the type of conservative that should be leading the party and that he was available (he was just putting that out there)

[StorminNorman]

I want to take out my frustration of her father's campaign on her all night long :o

[BlackLantern]

I want to take out my frustration of her father's campaign on her all night long :o

in every other way but missionary....(I hear that Republicans only do that in missionary and only once a month....with the lights off and shirts on)

[Marx]

I want to take out my frustration of her father's campaign on her all night long :o

in every other way but missionary....(I hear that Republicans only do that in missionary and only once a month....with the lights off and shirts on)

Let's stick to the topic of FOX News guys. :cwink:

[danielisthor]

Also, Megan McCain would be a better Slave Leia...for many reasons.

Many reasons like, I like my women with a figure that isn't a stick.



Laura Ingrahm is a half step below Ann Coulter in right wing psycho-ness. I have to tune her out when she's guesting on any program and turn the channel when she's hosting. I have to do the same with Ann. The only difference is I don't vomit when I see Laura.

[BlackLantern]

I still like 'Red Eye'.....I remember they used to have one of the Fox anchors rap every so often....she was pretty good

[StorminNorman]

Laura Ingrahm may be the worst interviewer ever.

[Kelly]

She irritates the hell out of me.......people think Bill doesn't let people talk? They haven't seen or heard one of her interviews....

[StorminNorman]

She irritates the hell out of me.......people think Bill doesn't let people talk? They haven't seen or heard one of her interviews....

Bingo! Bill O'Reilly's interview skills are extremely over exaggerated. He tends to only blows up when people...well...frankly deserve it. Case in point: Barney Frank.

[Marx]

Bingo! Bill O'Reilly's interview skills are extremely over exaggerated. He tends to only blows up when people...well...frankly deserve it. Case in point: Barney Frank.

Or when they disagree with him. :dry:

[danielisthor]

Laura Ingrahm may be the worst interviewer ever.

She's worse than Hannity in that she starts screaming at the guest right after she asks the question. Hannity at least lets the guest start to answer the question.

[Kelly]

Or when they disagree with him. :dry:

No, I watch fairly regularly, and actually he has no problem when people disagree with him for the most part. Now, when its on things like "child molestation" and things like that....OH HELL YEAH, he comes unglued. But, usually when he gets pissed is when a guest doesn't answer the question, or dances around it, or simply gives a soundbite that has been said 100's of times. Neil Cavuto is exactly the same way....I have no problem yelling about that.....that pisses me off as well.

[Marx]

No, I watch fairly regularly, and actually he has no problem when people disagree with him for the most part. Now, when its on things like "child molestation" and things like that....OH HELL YEAH, he comes unglued. But, usually when he gets pissed is when a guest doesn't answer the question, or dances around it, or simply gives a soundbite that has been said 100's of times. Neil Cavuto is exactly the same way....I have no problem yelling about that.....that pisses me off as well.

I do not watch him regularly, and I never will. I have zero respect for him. I have seen him cut peoples microphones off and become beligerent when people disagree with the nonsense he is spewing.

[StorminNorman]

Or when they disagree with him. :dry:

I have never seen O'Reilly cross a line just because a guest didn't agree with him.

[BlackLantern]

I do not watch him regularly, and I never will. I have zero respect for him. I have seen him cut peoples microphones off and become beligerent when people disagree with the nonsense he is spewing.

No one else does that....I find it funny when I hear about it....

Here's the thing....by now everyone knows how Bill O is....you go on that show at your own risk

[Kelly]

No one else does that....I find it funny when I hear about it....

Here's the thing....by now everyone knows how Bill O is....you go on that show at your own risk

Some of his best interviews have been with people that he totally disagreed with......I can think of a few from Hollywood that have come on his show......they totally disagreed on EVERYTHING, but he respected the fact that they came on, faced his arguments, and gave intelligent argument in return, and he said so.

I've never seen him cut anyone's microphone off...wouldn't surprise me if he did, but I would need to see the interview to see the context.

[BlackLantern]

Some of his best interviews have been with people that he totally disagreed with......I can think of a few from Hollywood that have come on his show......they totally disagreed on EVERYTHING, but he respected the fact that they came on, faced his arguments, and gave intelligent argument in return, and he said so.

I've never seen him cut anyone's microphone off...wouldn't surprise me if he did, but I would need to see the interview to see the context.

I've seen him disagree vehemently with people during interviews and then shake their hand when it was over

Ive seen him cut one mike, but it was about a town in Florida instituting a curfew for kids 17 and under and the guy against it was being a total toolbox

[StorminNorman]

O'Reilly had the best Election interviews.

I think Palin not doing O'Reilly was a poor move on her behalf.

[Shifty]

O'Reilly had the best Election interviews.

I think Palin not doing O'Reilly was a poor move on her behalf.

Didn't she have one with Greta? Or was that after the election? I know Palin gave her a tour of her house. Yeah I don't know why she didn't do an interview with him. She went on SNL which wasn't going to change any minds, just give SNL big ratings.

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[Kelly]

Didn't she have one with Greta? Or was that after the election? I know Palin gave her a tour of her house. Yeah I don't know why she didn't do an interview with him. She went on SNL which wasn't going to change any minds, just give SNL big ratings.

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I think Greta's interviews were after the election.. ....and she was able to make the call on the interviews.

I'm not sure that "not" going on O'Reilly was actually her call.

I love it when Bill goes on Letterman.

[Addendum]

Thoughts on Bill O'Reilly and Squeaky the Chicago Mouse
By Roger Ebert / April 7, 2009

To: Bill O'Reilly
From: Roger Ebert

Dear Bill: Thanks for including the Chicago Sun-Times on your exclusive list of newspapers on your "Hall of Shame." To be in an O'Reilly Hall of Fame would be a cruel blow to any newspaper. It would place us in the favor of a man who turns red and starts screaming when anyone disagrees with him. My grade-school teacher, wise Sister Nathan, would have called in your parents and recommended counseling with Father Hogben.

Yes, the Sun-Times is liberal, having recently endorsed our first Democrat for President since LBJ. We were founded by Marshall Field one week before Pearl Harbor to provide a liberal voice in Chicago to counter the Tribune, which opposed an American war against Hitler. I'm sure you would have sided with the Trib at the time.

I understand you believe one of the Sun-Times misdemeanors was dropping your syndicated column. My editor informs me that "very few" readers complained about the disappearance of your column, adding, "many more complained about Nancy." I know I did. That was the famous Ernie Bushmiller comic strip in which Sluggo explained that "wow" was "mom" spelled upside-down.

Your column ran in our paper while it was owned by the right-wing polemicists Conrad Black (Baron Black of Coldharbour) and David Radler. We dropped it to save a little money after they looted the paper of millions. Now you call for an advertising boycott. It is unusual to observe a journalist cheering for a newspaper to fail. At present the Sun-Times has no bank debt, but labors under the weight of millions of dollars in tax penalties incurred by Lord Black, who is serving an eight-year stretch for mail fraud and obstruction of justice. We also had to pay for his legal expenses.

There is a major difference between Conrad Black and you: Lord Black is a much better writer and thinker, and authored a respected biography about Roosevelt, who we were founded to defend. That newspapers continue to run your column is a mystery to me, since it is composed of knee-jerk frothings and ravings. If I were an editor searching for a conservative, I wouldn't choose a mad dog. My recommendation: The admirable Charles Krauthammer.

Bill, I am concerned that you have been losing touch with reality recently. Did you really say you are more powerful than any politician?

That reminds me of the famous story about Squeaky the Chicago Mouse. It seems that Squeaky was floating on his back along the Chicago River one day. Approaching the Michigan Avenue lift bridge, he called out: Raise the bridge! I have an erection!

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090407/COMMENTARY/904079997/-1/RSS

[danielisthor]

Glenn Beck thinks we should send the Marines to Somalia and take out the Pirates. I think I'm in agreement since Somalia doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop them.

[Kelly]

Well, 3 Somali pirates are going to be looking eye to eye with a US Navy Gunboat while they are in a lifeboat with an American citizen...... when the sun comes up in an hour or so.....I think they may pee in their pants.

[danielisthor]

Well, 3 Somali pirates are going to be looking eye to eye with a US Navy Gunboat while they are in a lifeboat with an American citizen...... when the sun comes up in an hour or so.....I think they may pee in their pants.

I think the might do more than pee............ :cwink:

[Kelly]

Well, what they have done is.....

Attacked an American vessel, taken an American citizen.....dumb pirates, dumb.

[SuBe]

Glenn Beck thinks we should send the Marines to Somalia and take out the Pirates. I think I'm in agreement since Somalia doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop them.

Barbary War, part II?

[BlackLantern]

Well, 3 Somali pirates are going to be looking eye to eye with a US Navy Gunboat while they are in a lifeboat with an American citizen...... when the sun comes up in an hour or so.....I think they may pee in their pants.

heh....sun comes up...you see this big haze gray ship with lots o guns pointed right at you....there are better ways to start ones day


is it wrong that I'd like to see a bumper sticker that says "Bill O'Reilly does it LIVE!!!" ??

[SuBe]

I have never seen O'Reilly cross a line just because a guest didn't agree with him.

I second this, Bill O'Reilly is a pussy cat, you just have to know how to pet him.


That sounded dirty.

[SsM]

People just can't stomach Bill O's supreme awesomeness over them.

[SuBe]

I wouldn't go that far, O'Reilly is my absolute worst favorite of the Celebrity Conservatives. But he can do a good interview. The Hillary one is his best I've seen.

[danielisthor]

O'Reilly does give the guest the last word.

[danielisthor]

Double post.

[DACrowe]

Man, Ebert tore Bill O. a new one. I don't think Bill O'Reilly is an idiot/tool (like Sean Hannity), nor do I think he is borderline insane (like Glenn Beck). But he is a hugely bloated narcisisst. His ego is so huge, that everything else is secondary to it. Long as you pay homage and respect the Bill-O (as Obama did) then you are an okay-guy who he can respectfully disagree with. You call him on his BS or openly disagree with his half-cooked ideas taht he usually says without thinking, he turns red in the face, does everything in his way to attack you morally and assassinate your character and then will spend the following programs running your name through the mud before he has his news team jump out at you as you're taking your kids to school to ambush you with a loaded question (which he usually airs after his anti-paparazzi segments).

The only person more egotistical and arrogant to the point of insanity is Boss Limbaugh himself, who got his ass handed to him by "Charlie" the caller today.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I still like 'Red Eye'.....I remember they used to have one of the Fox anchors rap every so often....she was pretty good


I've stopped watching it.

It's just...not funny. Used to be. Just not anymore, I think.

Laura Ingrahm


I really...don't like her. She's inconsistent, and more than unfair. I quite like how Bill-O did sort of take her on a little last week.

I have never seen O'Reilly cross a line just because a guest didn't agree with him.


I thought he crossed the line with Jeremy Glick.

No one else does that....I find it funny when I hear about it....

Here's the thing....by now everyone knows how Bill O is....you go on that show at your own risk


Hannity's done it too.

FOX NEWS is the only place I've ever seen it happen.

O'Reilly had the best Election interviews.

I think Palin not doing O'Reilly was a poor move on her behalf.


Might have been a smart one.

She gives bad interviews. I wonder if O'Reily would have come after her, she'd have been like a turd in the water.

But, he'd go in with kid gloves...like Hannity did, then it would have been a plus.

And Ebert pwned Bill-O.

[danielisthor]

Ebert shot the opening salvo. Until Bill O responds, I'll wait to pass judgement on who got owned.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

He might just ignore him.

That.

Or mention Ebert's past of reviewing porn films.

Probably.

[Shifty]

He might just ignore him.

That.

Or mention Ebert's past of reviewing porn films.

Probably.

What's worse? Reviewing porn or writing sex scenes in your fictional story and then doing the audio for the book.

http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2009/03/say-baby-put-down-that-pipe-and-get-my-pipe-upi-would-like-you-to-unhook-your-bra-and-let-it-slide-down-your-arms-you-can.html

[Addendum]

If Billo responds, then he's breaking the boycott line. He'd actually have to read the paper.

[danielisthor]

Well, it's not like people are reading the Chicago Times anyways.

[Addendum]

You're right, since the Chicago Times merged with another paper in 1895.

[voyzovrezon]

Glenn Beck went to FOX recently after he left CNN. Or did he leave CNN on his own?

Anyway, I subscribe to The Young Turks (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks) You Tube channel and they are having fun with Glenn Beck. The host, Cenk Uygur, has done many videos highlighting Beck's antics. THIS is one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex695VSHmSs) of my favorites.

Ok, he can be entertaining and a bit amusing. However, check this out:

I think his antics have gone to far. What's the implication here?

WiLppliFzbs

[Marx]

This can be discussed in the FOX News Thread.

Merging...

[voyzovrezon]

Sorry. I looked for a similar thread in search and didn't find it. But thanks.

[Marx]

It's very easy to overlook things in Politico, there are ALOT of threads.

[Zar25]

Glenn Beck went to FOX recently after he left CNN. Or did he leave CNN on his own?

Anyway, I subscribe to The Young Turks (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks) You Tube channel and they are having fun with Glenn Beck. The host, Cenk Uygur, has done many videos highlighting Beck's antics. THIS is one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex695VSHmSs) of my favorites.

Ok, he can be entertaining and a bit amusing. However, check this out:

I think his antics have gone to far. What's the implication here?

WiLppliFzbs

I love TYT :yay: Cenk would make mincemeat outta just about anyone.TYT for MSNBC !!!Oh and ... Glenn beck is the crazy :oldrazz:

[Kelly]

Ebert shot the opening salvo. Until Bill O responds, I'll wait to pass judgement on who got owned.

He might just ignore him.

That.

Or mention Ebert's past of reviewing porn films.

Probably.

What's worse? Reviewing porn or writing sex scenes in your fictional story and then doing the audio for the book.

http://silencedmajority.blogs.com/silenced_majority_portal/2009/03/say-baby-put-down-that-pipe-and-get-my-pipe-upi-would-like-you-to-unhook-your-bra-and-let-it-slide-down-your-arms-you-can.html

If Billo responds, then he's breaking the boycott line. He'd actually have to read the paper.

Bill did respond to it, but it wasn't much of anything.....he just read what was written....laughed and went on.

[StorminNorman]

Glenn Beck went to FOX recently after he left CNN. Or did he leave CNN on his own?

Anyway, I subscribe to The Young Turks (http://www.youtube.com/user/TheYoungTurks) You Tube channel and they are having fun with Glenn Beck. The host, Cenk Uygur, has done many videos highlighting Beck's antics. THIS is one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex695VSHmSs) of my favorites.

Ok, he can be entertaining and a bit amusing. However, check this out:

I think his antics have gone to far. What's the implication here?

WiLppliFzbs

This guy is an idiot. An absolute idiot. Not Beck, he's hilarious. The host is an absolute tool.

[Zar25]

This guy is an idiot. An absolute idiot. Not Beck, he's hilarious. The host is an absolute tool.

Beck's funny in the way lunatics are but Cenk Uygur is awesome. Dude's smart and actually honest. He backs up his arguments with :wow: facts !!! He gives it to you straight but is open minded enough to change his mind if you reason your argument well.

Cenk stood up for Wesley Clark when Clark got flak for rightfully criticizing McCain in the elction which got mad props for me and holds his own with anybody in a debate. That boy will be on primetime very soon.

[dnno1]

This guy is an idiot. An absolute idiot. Not Beck, he's hilarious. The host is an absolute tool.

Uygur, has a point. Beck should be more responsible in his reporting of the news... Oh, wait, he's not even a journalist. He's just a commentator. What is he doing on a news channel anyway? Back to Uygur's point, Beck should have been and should be more responsible with what he presents to the public since it can be very influential. He himself has indicated as much in his previous shows and he is begining to look hypocritical now that he is doing what he feels is wrong. Case in point, here is a clip from Keith Olberman displaying Beck's Hypocricy:

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Here is another one:

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I think I have said enough about this.

[Kelly]

Uygur, has a point. Beck should be more responsible in his reporting of the news... Oh, wait, he's not even a journalist. He's just a commentator. What is he doing on a news channel anyway? Back to Uygur's point, Beck should have been and should be more responsible with what he presents to the public since it can be very influential. He him self has indicated as much in his previous shows and he is begining to look hypocritical now that he is doing what he feels is wrong. Case in point, here is a clip from Keith Olberman displaying Beck's Hypocricy:

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Here is another one:

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I think I have said enough about this.


So what you've done is to use examples from someone who is competition in the news realm with Beck, using snippets from Beck's show to prove your point.....good show....:up:

IMO, there is absolutely no proof that Beck, O'Reilly, Obeirman, Maddow, whoever has some kind of, so called, impact on people, other than to make them think about things.

If you are talking about the tea party stuff, that is just stupid.....he and those people have every right to rally against something they think is wrong. Just like people have every right to ***** about it....*shrugs*

[Zar25]

IMO, there is absolutely no proof that Beck, O'Reilly, Obeirman, Maddow, whoever has some kind of, so called, impact on people, other than to make them think about things.

Yeah, but action usually comes after thought no ?

[StorminNorman]

Beck's funny in the way lunatics are but Cenk Uygur is awesome. Dude's smart and actually honest. He backs up his arguments with :wow: facts !!! He gives it to you straight but is open minded enough to change his mind if you reason your argument well.

It's a shame he did not demonstrate any of this in that one video.

Cenk stood up for Wesley Clark when Clark got flak for rightfully criticizing McCain in the elction which got mad props for me and holds his own with anybody in a debate. That boy will be on primetime very soon.

I am sure he can find a place on MSNBC.

[Kelly]

Yeah, but action usually comes after thought no ?

Oh, well then by all means......let's stop thinking......?????:huh::huh::huh:

[StorminNorman]

Uygur, has a point. Beck should be more responsible in his reporting of the news...

I found nothing irresponsible in what Beck did in that clip. At all. :huh:

Oh, wait, he's not even a journalist. He's just a commentator. What is he doing on a news channel anyway?

Commentating. :huh: You know...kinda like how Newspapers have editorials.

Back to Uygur's point, Beck should have been and should be more responsible with what he presents to the public since it can be very influential.

Personally I think Obama should be more responsible...since he actually has a say in public policy.

He himself has indicated as much in his previous shows and he is begining to look hypocritical now that he is doing what he feels is wrong. Case in point, here is a clip from Keith Olberman displaying Beck's Hypocricy:

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Here is another one:

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I think I have said enough about this.

You are using Keith Olbermann :lmao: as a source :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Zar25]

Oh, well then by all means......let's stop thinking......?????:huh::huh::huh:

That's not what I mean. People with a platform as they do, whether they like it or not, do have some influence.

[Kelly]

That's not what I mean. People with a platform as they do, whether they like it or not, do have some influence.


And there is absolutely no way to prove that influence....I guess you could use the Tea Party's....but really? what's wrong with that? People using their freedom of speech...

You are more than right in having your opinion....that's cool. But, IMO, they have every right to put their thoughts out there, as does every other commentator out there, whether I agree with them or not.

[Zar25]

It's a shame he did not demonstrate any of this in that one video.

Yikes... Do you always have to be so charmingly aggressive ? :oldrazz: Stow the attitude a little man. If you don't like him it's cool. Don't be a hater.-shrug-

I am sure he can find a place on MSNBC.

Is that scoff in your voice ? I don't care, I'm irrationally happy that an actual honest to God progressive with balls is getting primetime. He hits on Obama harder on actual issues than you do Normie and I love him for it. -sticks tongue out at Normie while laughing manically - BWAHAHAHA !!!

[StorminNorman]

Yikes... Do you always have to be so charmingly aggressive ? :oldrazz: Stow the attitude a little man. If you don't like him it's cool. Don't be a hater.-shrug-

It's not that I don't like him, it's just that the clip in question lacked intelligence, integrity or facts - all points of praise you gave the guy. Personally I don't know this guy from David, he may be a brilliant, stand up guy.

Is that scoff in your voice ? I don't care, I'm irrationally happy that an actual honest to God progressive with balls is getting primetime. He hits on Obama harder on actual issues than you do Normie and I love him for it. -sticks tongue out at Normie while laughing manically - BWAHAHAHA !!!

Good to hear. And when is he getting primetime?

[Zar25]

I found nothing irresponsible in what Beck did in that clip. At all. :huh:

Beck is entertaining sure and he's bringing the ratings to FOX which gives him more license to act more nuts. I just wish he'd stop to think that hey maybe inciting people with hate isn't that good an idea cos y'know, some nut out there might take him at his word and do something stupid.

And when actual people get hurt because of this, then you see all the backpedalling which is of course almost always too late.

Personally I think Obama should be more responsible...since he actually has a say in public policy.

You're changing the subject.Inciting hate is never a good thing even if he is faking it.- 'Sides Obama has been pretty responsible. I know there are ppl who don't agree but that's another subject for another time.

You are using Keith Olbermann :lmao: as a source :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

KO may be obnoxious at times but he always backs up his argument with those little things called facts. At least check out the substance of it before you knock him down.

[StorminNorman]

Beck is entertaining sure and he's bringing the ratings to FOX which gives him more license to act more nuts. I just wish he'd stop to think that hey maybe inciting people with hate isn't that good an idea cos y'know, some nut out there might take him at his word and do something stupid.

And when actual people get hurt because of this, then you see all the backpedalling which is of course almost always too late.

Again...nothing Beck did was irresponsible.

[Zar25]

And there is absolutely no way to prove that influence....I guess you could use the Tea Party's....but really? what's wrong with that? People using their freedom of speech...

You are more than right in having your opinion....that's cool. But, IMO, they have every right to put their thoughts out there, as does every other commentator out there, whether I agree with them or not.


Isn't there a saying somewhere, that 'when you control the media you can control how people think' ? I know there's no official study and I don't think there needs to be really, cos it's a no-brainer to me, -shrugs- I mean it's why some companies spend so much money on commercials to promote whatever product they may have rite so people would buy things rite?

They do have influence Kel. We can argue how much on a quantitative basis I understand but they do have influence. You can say anything you want on tv but you also run the risk of getting sued if you're not careful with the words you use or how you use it.

People have a right to the tea parties.I don't really care about the damn tea parties. The beauty of Freedom of Speech is you basically can say just about anything you want but realize that what you say can have consequences. Every action has an equal or opposite reaction.

Generally people don't see anything wrong until somebody gets hurt but when somebody actually does, nobody wants to take responsibilty for it.

My point really is that inciting hate should be discouraged because I don't see anything positive from that other than ratings I suppose.

[Zar25]

It's not that I don't like him, it's just that the clip in question lacked intelligence, integrity or facts - all points of praise you gave the guy. Personally I don't know this guy from David, he may be a brilliant, stand up guy.

Okay, this is where I ask if you even watched the clip. Maybe we were watching a different one.Cenk was on point and raised his argument pretty well after showing the clip with a very clear break down of his points at the end, the subtext in Beck's gasoline act and why it was dangerous.

Hell, I was a little disturbed when he started the act. Any rational person I think would. The act itself wasn't dangerous but the subtext and the hidden implication in it is dangerous.It seems you're just bashing the dude on principle without even trying to hear the substance of his argument

Look Normie I know we can agree to disagree peacefully and if you don't like Cenk it's fine but you're not even listening to what Cenk was saying nor were you refuting his argument but if you really can't see anything at all irresponsible in what Beck did in that particular clip then I really honestly do not know what to say to you man...

Beck was mental right there <shakes head> But if you don't see it .... okay then, let's just move on.


Good to hear. And when is he getting primetime?

TYT aka The Young Turks (Cenk's show) was a leading candidate in the 10pm slot on MSNBC. Cenk's also been on tv before as a guest commentator on both CNN and MSNBC. Nothing's official yet but many including me,think it's just a matter of time but they hit it. They've already got strong support on the web and from listeners of their radio show.

[Kelly]

Isn't there a saying somewhere, that 'when you control the media you can control how people think' ? I know there's no official study and I don't think there needs to be really, cos it's a no-brainer to me, -shrugs- I mean it's why some companies spend so much money on commercials to promote whatever product they may have rite so people would buy things rite?

They do have influence Kel. We can argue how much on a quantitative basis I understand but they do have influence. You can say anything you want on tv but you also run the risk of getting sued if you're not careful with the words you use or how you use it.

People have a right to the tea parties.I don't really care about the damn tea parties. The beauty of Freedom of Speech is you basically can say just about anything you want but realize that what you say can have consequences. Every action has an equal or opposite reaction.

Generally people don't see anything wrong until somebody gets hurt but when somebody actually does, nobody wants to take responsibilty for it.

My point really is that inciting hate should be discouraged because I don't see anything positive from that other than ratings I suppose.

Can you give me some examples of this, say from you tube, or transcripts???? I'd be interested to see those examples...

[voyzovrezon]

You'll probably find that the shooter of those cops who riled that the government was going to take away his guns got that myth from listening to the likes of Glenn Beck. Here's Cenk again talking about Beck talking about himself not being responsible.

IV67coT0gYY

[Kelly]

You'll probably find that the shooter of those cops who riled that the government was going to take away his guns got that myth from listening to the likes of Glenn Beck. Here's Cenk again talking about Beck talking about himself not being responsible.

IV67coT0gYY


What does that prove?

When I hear the investigators say that is the case, then I'll agree....right now that is bunk.....

I'm sorry, but your source: fails....give me a strong source, and I'll go with it.

[danielisthor]

You'll probably find that the shooter of those cops who riled that the government was going to take away his guns got that myth from listening to the likes of Glenn Beck. Here's Cenk again talking about Beck talking about himself not being responsible.

IV67coT0gYY

He could of gotten that from listening to the NRA who's been saying it for decades.

[voyzovrezon]

He could of gotten that from listening to the NRA who's been saying it for decades.

True. The point is that the shooter didn't get this idea about our government taking everyone's guns away by listening to Air America or Nancy Pelosi.

[Kelly]

ok...?????

[SuBe]

That's because Air America and Nancy Pelosi won't be as honest about it.

[Kelly]

*snap*

[danielisthor]

True. The point is that the shooter didn't get this idea about our government taking everyone's guns away by listening to Air America or Nancy Pelosi.

True, Nancy Pelosi will be the one writing up the Amendment to actually take away our guns.

[The Major]

True, Nancy Pelosi will be the one writing up the Amendment to actually take away our guns.
Nancy really has replaced Hilary as the right wing's boogeyman hasn't she? :hehe:

[Marx]

Nancy really has replaced Hilary as the right wing's boogeyman hasn't she? :hehe:

Nancy Pelosi is the left wing's boogeyman as well. (That takes an incredible amount of talent.)

[SuBe]

Speaking of Hillary, what's up with that weird Laugh? I mean, come on already.

[Marx]

Speaking of Hillary, what's up with that weird Laugh? I mean, come on already.

How 'bout that FOX News?

[The Major]

Nancy Pelosi is the left wing's boogeyman as well. (That takes an incredible amount of talent.)
I disagree. The left may not like her at times but it has softened the last few years IMO. Hilary is a much bigger fish for the left then Nancy, even today.

[StorminNorman]

I disagree. The left may not like her at times but it has softened the last few years IMO. Hilary is a much bigger fish for the left then Nancy, even today.

Explain?

[The Major]

Explain?In the last few months I haven't heard **** about Republicans bad mouthing Hilary yet Nancy just needs to sneeze and they'll tear her head off. This is very odd since Hilary has been the one of the biggest symbols Republicans use to hate from the Democrat party just by existing for decades.

[SsM]

If you don't hear Reps badmouthing Hilary you are deaf.

Hey hey, 9k!!!

[StorminNorman]

In the last few months I haven't heard **** about Republicans bad mouthing Hilary yet Nancy just needs to sneeze and they'll tear her head off. This is very odd since Hilary has been the one of the biggest symbols Republicans use to hate from the Democrat party just by existing for decades.

I understand that. I am just wondering how you can say Hilary is a bigger fish for liberals.

[The Major]

I understand that.

Okay.

I am just wondering how you can say Hilary is a bigger fish for liberals.
For one, Nancy has admitted she wants Bush prosecuted.

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/19/pelosi-prosecution-bush-officials/

This was a big reason why the left turned on her once she became Speaker. Without that stumbling block the left have far fewer reasons to be upset.

Hilary is a big fish for liberals since she is a conservative Democrat, unlike Nancy. Her actions in the primaries were very polarizing for the party, which ratcheted up the contempt from the left that been festering for years is another factor working against her with liberals. Wounds that deep don't heal over night.

[VampElvis]

Hillary a conservative Democrat? Really? National Journal has her ranked more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Diane Feinstein, and Chris Dodd in the Senate and Charlie Rangel, Rahm Emanuel, and Dennis Kucinich in the House for goodness sake! She might be a target for the far left, and probably is because she's a vicious campaigner for sure and that's bound to scorch some earth, but I don't think the "because she's a conservative Democrat" argument really holds water.

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

[Kelly]

Did any of ya'll just see what happened on Beck.....this dude just passed out...I had turned away so I'm not sure who it is, or if its a charade....ya never know with Beck, but its pretty wild. They just cut to a commercial.

[BlackLantern]

was it Beck? or his guest? huh?

[StorminNorman]

*Quickly switches TV from ESPN*

[Kelly]

Well, apparently it wasn't a charade, the guy had been sick a good part of the day....and just passed out......he's fine, they have paramedics on the way. Buckner I think was his last name....I missed Beck talking about it again...lol

[StorminNorman]

*quickly changes TV back to ESPN*

[Kelly]

lol....

[Shifty]

Video of Buckner passing out. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/david-bucker-faints-passe_n_186385.html)

[voyzovrezon]

I can't stand Hillary Clinton. One of the reasons I supported Obama during the caucuses was because he wasn't Hillary. She believed it was her turn to be president. Granted she never came out and said that, but she did brag that it would all be over by February. "It" meaning the democratic campaigns.

[Kelly]

Video of Buckner passing out. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/david-bucker-faints-passe_n_186385.html)


It was pretty scary when I watched it in real time......then I remembered I was watching Beck, and thought.....oh hell this could all just be drama to say something.....lol, I felt bad for second when I found out it was real.:csad:

But, he's fine....

[VampElvis]

I gotta laugh. You OK? <Raising finger> I'm passing out...
Glad to hear he's OK so I don't have to feel too guilty.

[Kelly]

I gotta laugh. You OK? <Raising finger> I'm passing out...
Glad to hear he's OK so I don't have to feel too guilty.


I immediately thought, after the initial shock was.....what the hell is Beck pulling.....

Poor guy....:csad: lol...

[sinewave]

I gotta laugh. You OK? <Raising finger> I'm passing out...
Glad to hear he's OK so I don't have to feel too guilty.

the guy said three times he was passing out. why didn't he just sit down?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

It...looked fake.

I mean, I'm not saying it is. I'm sure it was real.

But, it was just strange how he said "gone" and then dropped while Beck was talking about cancer...it was very surreal, I thought.

What was wrong with him? He okay?

[voyzovrezon]

I'm currently watching Countdown. Olbermann showed clips from FOX of hosts saying they are not sponsoring or promoting the tea parties, just reporting on them. Then he plays a 2 or 3 minute montage of hosts not only promoting it with ads and mentions, but they put up web site links.:whatever:

[gap5ewl]

I'm currently watching Countdown. Olbermann showed clips from FOX of hosts saying they are not sponsoring or promoting the tea parties, just reporting on them. Then he plays a 2 or 3 minute montage of hosts not only promoting it with ads and mentions, but they put up web site links.:whatever:

lol i like the other part where he shows Cavuto off camera getting told there's 5,000 people there and then, when they go live, he says there 3-5 times more people haha. :whatever:

[voyzovrezon]

lol i like the other part where he shows Cavuto off camera getting told there's 5,000 people there and then, when they go live, he says there 3-5 times more people haha. :whatever:

Here you go!

-zqVsNXh4n8

[Superman]

# 1 Teabag Gate
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:hehe:

[The Overlord]

Did anyone see that clip of Beck pretending to set some guy on fire, how is that not crazy?

[hippie_hunter]

# 1 Teabag Gate
Uy47BaC4HTc
:hehe:

Is it just me or is Olbermann getting more and more unbearable to watch? I remember when he used to be entertaining.

[hippie_hunter]

Did anyone see that clip of Beck pretending to set some guy on fire, how is that not crazy?

Oh that Glen Beck :yay:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The Cavuto clip is too funny for words.

Olbermann is awesome. I thought his rant on the Corprate Tax loophole last night was great.

If the tea parties were about that, even if a section of it was...I honestly would have been out there with a sign myself.

And yes...Beck tossing gasoline...maybe it really was..?...and begging Obama to already set us ablaze...was...a crazy sight.

[X-Ray]

Are they considered "mainstream media" ?

I ask this because they are always slamming "mainstream media" for something. Like this morning, they slammed them for the lack of coverage of the tea party protest. Suggesting that they (MSNBC, CNN & any other network but Fox) didn't cover it because their biased opinions got the best of them. And then they ran a ad saying how "millions of Americans protested ... and we were the only ones there ... fair and balance." Of course they were there. They were promoting the damn thing! :whatever:

[SsM]

There is no such thing as an unbiased network.

[BlackLantern]

There is no such thing as an unbiased network.

Discovery Channel?

[Franklin Richards]

Is it just me or is Olbermann getting more and more unbearable to watch? I remember when he used to be entertaining.

Forget that. What do you think about what he said? Or do you not care about the Corporate Tax Loopholes?



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Addendum]

Discovery Channel, History Channel, Science Channel, adult swim

[StorminNorman]

They are all biased. They are biased to revenue. They pick their programming based on what will get most people to watch.

[BlackLantern]

They are all biased. They are biased to revenue. They pick their programming based on what will get most people to watch.

I won't front....I love me some 'Deadliest Catch'

[SsM]

Discovery Channel?


News network.. Sorry :P

[hippie_hunter]

Forget that. What do you think about what he said? Or do you not care about the Corporate Tax Loopholes?



:doom: :doom: :doom:

He's right to a certain extent. But he's just so damn annoying to watch him go off into a rant on a now consistent basis. He's become a parody of himself. And he goes off acting like anyone who isn't a liberal is a conservative retard.

And to be fair, there's a reason why the number is so large for states like New York and California, it's because those two are states that really screw people over with taxes, fees, fines, etc. They're really bad.

[Addendum]

I won't front....I love me some 'Deadliest Catch'

Deadliest Catch, Dirty Jobs, Time Warp, Mythbusters, How it's Made, Shark Week, and sometimes Overhaulin

[Franklin Richards]

He's right to a certain extent. But he's just so damn annoying to watch him go off into a rant on a now consistent basis. He's become a parody of himself. And he goes off acting like anyone who isn't a liberal is a conservative retard.

And to be fair, there's a reason why the number is so large for states like New York and California, it's because those two are states that really screw people over with taxes, fees, fines, etc. They're really bad.

But Texas is a right to work state and doesn't have a State Income Tax.


Seems like both models need to be upgraded.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I disagree. I don't see how he goes off as if you're not liberal your wrong. He does go off on conservatives, yes.

And he went off on Obama two night in a row last week. That's something.

The money taxpayers need to pay up since corporation dodge taxes, by going into tax havens even though they take up space here, and we buy from them here...I mean, it's ****ing ******** man. It's right up there with outsourcing jobs, I think.

Why aren't people mega pissed about that stuff?

[BlackLantern]

Outsourcing is something a private company has every right to do....

[StorminNorman]

FOX RATINGS SURGE ON PROTEST COVERAGE
8-11 PM ET

FOXNEWS 3,390,000
MSNBC 1,210,000
CNN 1,070,000
CNN HEADLINE 909,000


FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,980,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 3,239,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 2,947,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,740,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,401,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,185,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,499,000
CNNHN GRACE 1,336,000
CNN KING 1,292,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,149,000
CNN COOPER 1,021,000

-Drudge

[Addendum]

Kinda funny that they have to break up the ratings for Network, Cable, News, and Sports.

Otherwise, compared to crap like American Idol, no one would be successful

[Addendum]

When I was watching Krod Mandoon, I kept thinking why they hired Glenn Beck for the role of the villain? Then I found out it was one of the people from Little Britain. But they do look kinda similar.

[BlackLantern]

Kinda funny that they have to break up the ratings for Network, Cable, News, and Sports.

Otherwise, compared to crap like American Idol, no one would be successful

so sad, yet so true

[hippie_hunter]

But Texas is a right to work state and doesn't have a State Income Tax.


Seems like both models need to be upgraded.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

There's no excuse for Texas' number, that's just plain ol' greed for no reason. Hence why I said he has a point.

[SsM]

Damn.. fox gets better numbers than the other three combined.

[BlackLantern]

Damn.. fox gets better numbers than the other three combined.

They've been doing that for a while now....i think its the free crack they offer their viewers

[SsM]

They've been doing that for a while now....i think its the free crack they offer their viewers

;x ha.

[SuBe]

They've been doing that for a while now....i think its the free crack they offer their viewers
It's not Crack. :whatever:

It's Meth.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Super Meth.

The good stuff.

[Malice]

I think Texas has a great tax strategy...sales tax only.
(local agencies of course tax property and the like)

It works well, you don't pay if you don't spend.

[Kelly]

I won't front....I love me some 'Deadliest Catch'


I love those shows.....I have no idea why......

I wait until they do a Saturday marathon of all of them and then I veg out in front of the TV.:woot:

I can't seem to get into the logging one though.....

[StorminNorman]

Deadliest Catch is the best TV show out there. It's the best example of Reality TV - since the drama is based off their occupation, their action, they don't have to manufacture it. It's also one of the rare Television events where the participants have a very real possibility of actually dying - one reason I think it is so compelling.

[Addendum]

Deadliest Catch isn't reality TV. It's a documentary

[StorminNorman]

A Square isn't a Square, its a Rectangle.

[Addendum]

Reality TV is faked reality. The drama is artificially created to draw people in. When the shows are over, the people return to their lives and another group is brought in for the next season, to further create more drama. The rent and other bills are paid by the network. The food is supplied by the network. They may be stuck out in a jungle in Costa Rica, or the Amazon, or in other harsh places, but off camera is a medical crew standing by ready to take them to the hospital.

With Deadliest Catch, there were people crab fishing long before someone decided to get the bright idea of cramming a camera crew on an already packed fishing vessel to record these men working. Once Discovery channel says "you know, the show has run it's course and we're no longer making anymore", there's still going to be a fleet of fishing vessels that leave Dutch Harbor to catch king crab or opilio crab, depending on the season.

[hippie_hunter]

Deadliest Catch is the best TV show out there. It's the best example of Reality TV - since the drama is based off their occupation, their action, they don't have to manufacture it. It's also one of the rare Television events where the participants have a very real possibility of actually dying - one reason I think it is so compelling.

I prefer scripted television over anything :o

[StorminNorman]

Reality TV is faked reality. The drama is artificially created to draw people in. When the shows are over, the people return to their lives and another group is brought in for the next season, to further create more drama. The rent and other bills are paid by the network. The food is supplied by the network. They may be stuck out in a jungle in Costa Rica, or the Amazon, or in other harsh places, but off camera is a medical crew standing by ready to take them to the hospital.

With Deadliest Catch, there were people crab fishing long before someone decided to get the bright idea of cramming a camera crew on an already packed fishing vessel to record these men working. Once Discovery channel says "you know, the show has run it's course and we're no longer making anymore", there's still going to be a fleet of fishing vessels that leave Dutch Harbor to catch king crab or opilio crab, depending on the season.

I am not going to further get into the issue.

[Kelly]

Reality TV is faked reality. The drama is artificially created to draw people in. When the shows are over, the people return to their lives and another group is brought in for the next season, to further create more drama. The rent and other bills are paid by the network. The food is supplied by the network. They may be stuck out in a jungle in Costa Rica, or the Amazon, or in other harsh places, but off camera is a medical crew standing by ready to take them to the hospital.

With Deadliest Catch, there were people crab fishing long before someone decided to get the bright idea of cramming a camera crew on an already packed fishing vessel to record these men working. Once Discovery channel says "you know, the show has run it's course and we're no longer making anymore", there's still going to be a fleet of fishing vessels that leave Dutch Harbor to catch king crab or opilio crab, depending on the season.

How many of the reality programs do you see 6 people die in one day.....????

American Idol?
Big Brother?
Survivor?

The guys on deadliest catch are "in their element", they are simply doing their job.....they are not taken out of their everyday lives and put somewhere else.....

Also, the camermen are in as much danger as the crabmen themselves....

As far as a medical crew there....no, the ship is not large enough. It is actually a skeleton crew of camermen. In most cases they are 2 days from land......that is why they do alot of the medical care themselves...


I think its a very well done show....

How much you want to bet the next one will be "Merchant Marines"....

[VampElvis]

Tell you what reality, or documentary, show I miss - The Eco-Challenge.
The only bad thing about it was it launched Mark Burnett off to make Survivor and I despise Survivor.

[Carcharodon]

A Square isn't a Square, its a Rectangle.It's both.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I loathe reality tv. Cannot stand it.

[Addendum]

How many of the reality programs do you see 6 people die in one day.....????

American Idol?
Big Brother?
Survivor?

The guys on deadliest catch are "in their element", they are simply doing their job.....they are not taken out of their everyday lives and put somewhere else.....

Also, the camermen are in as much danger as the crabmen themselves....

As far as a medical crew there....no, the ship is not large enough. It is actually a skeleton crew of camermen. In most cases they are 2 days from land......that is why they do alot of the medical care themselves...


I think its a very well done show....
We're in agreement. If the cameras weren't on the boats, they'd still fish.

Unlike Survivor, Big Brother or others. If the cameras weren't there, the participants would be at their day jobs in their hometown.

[SuBe]

I know a TV Producer, and we had a Reality TV Show based on our Company. I would have been on it. A Pilot was filmed, but they couldn't sell it.

It's almost all fake. I would think that Deadliest Catch is more Real than most, but the General Rule is they are fake.

[BlackLantern]

I know a TV Producer, and we had a Reality TV Show based on our Company. I would have been on it. A Pilot was filmed, but they couldn't sell it.

It's almost all fake. I would think that Deadliest Catch is more Real than most, but the General Rule is they are fake.

They are in their environment....the only things that might be "set up" are the talks around the burn barrel and the Captains Wager....

[Kelly]

We're in agreement. If the cameras weren't on the boats, they'd still fish.

Unlike Survivor, Big Brother or others. If the cameras weren't there, the participants would be at their day jobs in their hometown.

Yep......a couple of friends of mine live in Hollywood....they are actors, and they do everything from commercials to sitcom walkons, extras work etc....

They get sent to these reality show interviews all the time........most on them are wanna be actors....

[Addendum]

The only thing they've faked on Deadliest Catch is when they've used CGI. And that was to show what happens to someone if they fall in the Bering Sea without a survival suit, how the crab pot traps crab, how F/V Big Valley sunk, making CGI sea lions to them playing with the F/V Northwestern's buoys, and how a crewman of F/V Time Bandit would have died if the cable of the picking hook failed when it had a 900 pound crab pot attached.

[Kelly]

Yep.....

When the hook came back and slammed into that man's face....lol

That was real......ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[BlackLantern]

Yep.....

When the hook came back and slammed into that man's face....lol

That was real......ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or when they're out on deck during their off time banging ice off the boat

[Addendum]

I still remember the second season, when a crewman of the F/V Maverick got hit by a block of ice on his back. Just fell off one of the beams and hit him on his back. He was so close to either dying or getting paralyzed. It was a solid chunk.

[Kelly]

Yeah....those guys are just tough...

[VampElvis]

If you recall they (producers of Deadliest Catch) took quite a beating last year or year before because they had a re-enactment of or used some substitute footage for some previous event and didn't explicitly state the footage of wasn't of the actual event. I'm pretty sure they are committed to "keepin' it real" as all the children say these days...

And what the heck?!?! No love for the Eco-Challenge! Next you're gonna tell me you don't watch the replays from the Louis Vuitton Cup! Sheesh, ya bunch a unwashed rubes......:oldrazz:

[SuBe]

It's not a Documentary.

[Addendum]

If you recall they (producers of Deadliest Catch) took quite a beating last year or year before because they had a re-enactment of or used some substitute footage for some previous event and didn't explicitly state the footage of wasn't of the actual event. I'm pretty sure they are committed to "keepin' it real" as all the children say these days...

It was last year. Here's the catch about that: It happened to one of the boats who was going to Dutch Harbor from Seattle, their home port. The cameras and the crew from Discovery channel aren't on the boat until they're in Dutch, before they set out to fish.

So even though they never said "this is a re-enactment", I knew it had to be one. Does that make me question the "reality" of the series? No. The Bering Sea is real and has the roughest seas on this planet. Crab fishing is one of the things Alaska is known for, and one of the biggest money makers for their state. The captains and their crew would go out and fish for crab even if no one was filming, and when crab season is over some go back to fish for cod or salmon.

[Addendum]

It's not a Documentary.

Your opinion. Wrong, but your opinion.

[BlackLantern]

Your opinion. Wrong, but your opinion.

Do you consider it a long form documentary then?? Peoples idea of a documentary is a 90 minute or 2 hr serving of whatever the subject might be....

[Addendum]

I consider it a documentary of the crab season, edited down from 4 months worth of footage to hour long episodes that show what happened. The camera crews from Discovery channel face the rough seas and weather, and the same hazards on deck that the fishermen do.

Besides, the camera crews are getting paid by the Discovery channel. The captains and crew get paid for what they catch, through the ways the Alaska Department of fish and game have set things up.

[Sam Fisher]

I prefer Fox News to CNN. CNN is a bunch of pinheads.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

...lol...

[Marx]

I prefer Fox News to CNN. CNN is a bunch of pinheads.

I think many would argue the opposite.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

FOX NEWS is rather entertaining. I mean, it's funny ya know.

Beck is harlarious.

[BlackLantern]

Fox News does seem to have the hottest anchors though

[Marx]

Fox News does seem to have the hottest anchors though

That is also debatable. :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

well you have Robin Meade on HLN, but she's about it....you have Contessa Brewer and 1 other cutie on MSNBC....Fox seems to have attractive women on at various times of the day

[StorminNorman]

I think many would argue the opposite.

Considering the ratings difference between Fox and CNN, I really don't think you want to go that route :cwink:

[Addendum]

It just shows what pinheads some people prefer

[Marx]

Considering the ratings difference between Fox and CNN, I really don't think you want to go that route :cwink:

The fact that the hard right tunes into FOX, and others tune in for the amusement, I'm not surprised that CNN's ratings have fallen.

[BlackLantern]

I'll watch MSNBC in the mornings because they seem the most "harmless" to me....I remember when they dragged Donahue out of retirement....it was great

[SuBe]

The fact that the hard right tunes into FOX, and others tune in for the amusement, I'm not surprised that CNN's ratings have fallen.
I remember reading a statistic a few weeks ago that said More Democrats and Independants watch Fox News than Republicans. I'm trying to find it.

[Marx]

I remember reading a statistic a few weeks ago that said More Democrats and Independants watch Fox News than Republicans. I'm trying to find it.

As I said, watching it for the amusement and spin is hardly something I would call a success.

[Addendum]

It's the same reason some people who didn't like Howard Stern would listen to him

[BlackLantern]

what was the stat on stern....the average Stern fan listened for 30-40 minutes...the average Stern hater listened for 2 hours??

[Addendum]

Researcher: The average radio listener listens for eighteen minutes. The average Howard Stern fan listens for...are you ready for this?...an hour and twenty minutes.
Pig Vomit: How can that be?
Researcher: Answer most commonly given? "I want to see what he'll say next."
Pig Vomit: Okay, fine. But what about the people who hate Stern?
Researcher: Good point. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.
Pig Vomit: But... if they hate him, why do they listen?
Researcher: Most common answer? "I want to see what he'll say next."

[BlackLantern]

the only thing I watch on Fox is Red Eye...and maybe Cavuto on my days off....

[Kelly]

I remember reading a statistic a few weeks ago that said More Democrats and Independants watch Fox News than Republicans. I'm trying to find it.


Yeah, I saw the same thing....overall more Republicans of course watch, but together the percentage for Independents and Democrats is higher. Also, I believe that it showed that the difference between the Republican to Democratic ratio was smaller between Fox, than any of the other cable news channels.

Pretty interesting....


And Marx, I don't think we can assume why they watch, only look at the facts that they apparently do watch.....

[Marx]

Yeah, I saw the same thing....overall more Republicans of course watch, but together the percentage for Independents and Democrats is higher. Also, I believe that it showed that the difference between the Republican to Democratic ratio was smaller between Fox, than any of the other cable news channels.

Pretty interesting....


And Marx, I don't think we can assume why they watch, only look at the facts that they apparently do watch.....

Ok Kel. Ok. :cwink:

[Kelly]

Ok Kel. Ok. :cwink:

Well, you do know what assuming can do....right?

[Marx]

Well, you do know what assuming can do....right?

Yes.

And I also know that Democrats are not going to be tuning into FOX News because they believe the content of the network is 'fair and balanced'.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Tamrion Hall is all I need.

And I know I'll take heat for this one...but I like Rachel.

Yes. Maddow.

[BlackLantern]

And I know I'll take heat for this one...but I like Rachel.

Yes. Maddow.

I like her as well....she's good background noise

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well, I like the words coming out of her mouth, yeah.

But I like her mouth too.

Wait...that was like 100 times creepier than I meant it to be.

Sorry.

[Kelly]

Yes.

And I also know that Democrats are not going to be tuning into FOX News because they believe the content of the network is 'fair and balanced'.

IMO, it depends on where they are on the political spectrum, if they are of the far left thinking, you are probably right....but I'm not going to make a general statement of it......

I would also look at the specific shows they are watching....Democrats watching Hannity, oh hell yeah, they are watching "to hate".

Regular news, with Shepherd, or Brett, where he has a roundtable from all areas......I don't think a general statement can be made....

[BlackLantern]

I met her once about a year ago, I was at a LGBT function with some friends....she's very nice (Maddow)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I was wondering...does Fox News have a liberal host?

Or...a regular liberal guest of...some stature?

Because, for the heat MSNBC gets for being the Bizarro Fox News, they're morning show is helmed by a conservative...and during the news, I don't really see much leaning.

It really isn't until Olbermann, and then Maddow that the liberal crazy lefties thing comes alive, it seems. Even Matthews seems pretty fair to me. Except for how he interrupts everyone b/c of the tv delay or something.

The Ed Show is pretty lefty though. So, there's that one too.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I met her once about a year ago, I was at a LGBT function with some friends....she's very nice (Maddow)


I think you mentioned it once before. That she was pretty flirty?

And could probably break me in two?

Which...is hot to me.

[BlackLantern]

I think you mentioned it once before. That she was pretty flirty?

And could probably break me in two?

Which...is hot to me.

Yes....very friendly/flirty....I have a good amount of gay friends, mostly lesbians...and Im like the token hetero so I get dragged here and there....I met her when she was just doing her radio show

[redfirebird2008]

Anyone seen this?

*VIDEO REMOVED - LANGUAGE*

LMFAO, he goes "oops" about 5-10 seconds after the deed is done. Hilarious.

[X-Ray]

I was wondering...does Fox News have a liberal host?

Or...a regular liberal guest of...some stature?

Alan Colmes.

[The Major]

Alan Colmes.
Colmes' was Hannity's sidekick. He never hosted his own show on Fox News IIRC.

Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough both have had shows on MSNBC.

[hippie_hunter]

Colmes' was Hannity's sidekick. He never hosted his own show on Fox News IIRC.

Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough both have had shows on MSNBC.

That's Fox's biggest problem IMO. MSNBC's biggest flaw was that they treat their commentators like journalists. Fox's is that they have no liberal commentator shows.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Well...since Colmes left Hannity's side...he's mostly been M.I.A. from Fox.

I think I've seen him once on Red Eye, and once on the Factor. But, the way he constantly got owned by anyone and everyone...he's kinda a joke to me.

[bell110]

I actually didn't consider Colmes to be that liberal. He only looks liberal compared to Hannity.

[BlackLantern]

I've always felt instead of sitting side by side the show should have been done with Colmes bent over the desk and Hannity standing behind him

[ChrisBaleBatman]

That's usually how it went.

With everyone who was a guest, basically taking turns on Colmes as well.

It...was not a pretty sight at all.

[Zar25]

Tamrion Hall is all I need.

And I know I'll take heat for this one...but I like Rachel.

Yes. Maddow.

I love Maddow :woot: Smart women are sexy. Plus she's aint bad looking either.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Shepard Smith is awesome. ****ing awesome.

He's gotta be the number one reason to watch Fox News.

[redfirebird2008]

I love Maddow :woot: Smart women are sexy. Plus she's aint bad looking either.

She's not your type...literally.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

She might be mine.

I mean, in a forbidden....never in a million years kinda way.

[redfirebird2008]

She might be mine.

I mean, in a forbidden....never in a million years kinda way.

:hehe:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

A guy can dream.

Even if it's more impossible than making it was Megan Fox.

[Zar25]

She's not your type...literally.

Duh. I know she's playing for the other team but love is blind sometimes. :oldrazz:'Sides she seems like a person I'd be good friends with. I'd enjoy her company for sure.

[redfirebird2008]

The Fox network (not Fox News) has rejected Obama's request for airtime. For all the whining about how "liberal" NBC is, I don't remember them ever rejecting Bush's requests for airtime. Fox is hands down the most partisan news organization out there.

[BlackLantern]

The Fox network (not Fox News) has rejected Obama's request for airtime. For all the whining about how "liberal" NBC is, I don't remember them ever rejecting Bush's requests for airtime. Fox is hands down the most partisan news organization out there.

on what night??

[redfirebird2008]

on what night??

Wednesday, April 29th at 8 PM EDT. Fox is going to be airing their TV show "Lie To Me."

The show's title is ironic given how often Obama lies to the public (just like any politician). :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

Wednesday, April 29th at 8 PM EDT. Fox is going to be airing their TV show "Lie To Me."

The show's title is ironic given how often Obama lies to the public (just like any politician). :hehe:

It is their right to say "No"....we may not agree but that's how it is

[Addendum]

And it's not like the president won't be on other networks

[redfirebird2008]

It is their right to say "No"....we may not agree but that's how it is

Of course it's their right, just like it's my right to call their asses out for their claims of being "fair and balanced" when they clearly have an agenda. To be honest, I'm not planning on watching the press conference anyway since it'll just be more lies from him as usual.

[Marx]

Of course it's their right, just like it's my right to call their asses out for their claims of being "fair and balanced" when they clearly have an agenda. To be honest, I'm not planning on watching the press conference anyway since it'll just be more lies from him as usual.

To be honest, I don't think anyone that falls outside the realm of the hard right believes FOX News to be 'fair and balanced'.

[SuBe]

I think its fair and balanced.

[Franklin Richards]

Do fair and balanced stations air brush people to look more sinister?


No way you believe that SuBe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/foxairbrush.jpg



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[redfirebird2008]

I think its fair and balanced.

So you think 13% positive coverage of Obama is "fair and balanced"? :hehe: I'm going to take a guess here that the so-called liberal networks like CNN gave Bush more of the benefit of the doubt during his first 100 days than Fox has given Obama. In fact, I know they gave him the benefit of the doubt. They helped sell the damn war to the public. Good old "liberal" MSNBC had Lester Holt on there cheerleading the leadup to war...no coincidence that MSNBC's owner, General Electric, is one of the biggest weapons manufacturers in the world and profiteered from the war effort.

BTW, here is the report that backs up the 13% claim above:

http://www.cmpa.com/news/4_27_2009.pdf

[Kelly]

Do fair and balanced stations air brush people to look more sinister?


No way you believe that SuBe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v418/AuntPetunia/foxairbrush.jpg



:thing: :doom: :thing:

If I'm not mistaken that was proven to be bogus in both cases....

[Franklin Richards]

I can't find any retractions.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[VampElvis]

Then can you at least name your source?

[Kelly]

There are plenty of sources showing it...

Why would Fox give a retraction if they didn't do anything?

[BlackLantern]

someone tried to make it look like Fox News did that when they really didn't

[Shifty]

The Clip
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[Marx]

Classy...

[Bathead]

Looks genuine to me. Fair and balanced my a$$.

[VampElvis]

So you think 13% positive coverage of Obama is "fair and balanced"? :hehe: I'm going to take a guess here that the so-called liberal networks like CNN gave Bush more of the benefit of the doubt during his first 100 days than Fox has given Obama. In fact, I know they gave him the benefit of the doubt. They helped sell the damn war to the public. Good old "liberal" MSNBC had Lester Holt on there cheerleading the leadup to war...no coincidence that MSNBC's owner, General Electric, is one of the biggest weapons manufacturers in the world and profiteered from the war effort.

BTW, here is the report that backs up the 13% claim above:

http://www.cmpa.com/news/4_27_2009.pdf

But no castigation for the other networks who are giving Obama nearly twice as much positive coverage as they did Bush and almost 1.5 times as much as Clinton? If one wanted to play devil's advocate, one could say this is the result of one network presenting just the news and other networks presenting news alongside PR fluff pieces of sunshine and rainbows of "their guy".

But my objection to this story is that the statistics are woefully incomplete - especially in regard to FOX. Of all their stories only 13% were positive.
OK. How many were neutral? How many were negative? How can you pretend to evaluate the fair and balanced claim of the network without examining all three? I'll answer that for you - you can't. At least not objectively. You can only misuse a statistic to falsely prop up you perception of the situation.

I think the strong argument might even be made against the other networks. FOX at least has the potential to have the majority of their reports to be neutral (again we're missing that information) but the other networks don't seem as if they do. With nearly 60% of their stories "positive" - which is not defined - it would seem any claim of their objectivity is seriously damaged

I bear no allegiance to FOX or anyone else. You show me a study that gives me the information I need to draw valid conclusion and I'll cast a stone. Until then, I think I'll go make some coffee and continue to only watch about an hour of TV a day and have none of that be the news.

[Alastor]

I'm dumbfounded that people believe Fox to be "Fair and Balanced". I don't care about politics or where the network stands politically, which is obvious though, but come on! CNN, MSNBC et al are all bad, and I find my news elsewhere but Fox is the worst of the bunch. "Terrorist fist-jab" "Flag pins" "Normal Amuricans", ****ing terrible.

[Paradyme]

I'm dumbfounded that people believe Fox to be "Fair and Balanced". I don't care about politics or where the network stands politically, which is obvious though, but come on! CNN, MSNBC et al are all bad, and I find my news elsewhere but Fox is the worst of the bunch. "Terrorist fist-jab" "Flag pins" "Normal Amuricans", ****ing terrible.

Lot of anger and hate in this one, I sense.

“Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.”

[Alastor]

Eh, not so much hate. Frustration maybe, but that why I avoid it in the first place. But, no, I'm pretty laid back, and don't get angry often, even at Fox News. Like I said, I'm just dumbfounded. I even find their hypocrisy and lying amusing. Especially Glen Beck. If that guy isn't just acting, he is pretty insane. I hope the reason people what him is because they can't wait to hear what he'll say next, not for actual news.

[redfirebird2008]

Vamp, I gave up on watching TV news a long time ago.

[VampElvis]

Me too because he, like just about everyone on FOX and MSNBC and others, is an entertainer not a reporter.

[Alastor]

Infotainment. Although calling what these fearmongers peddle "information" is a stretch.

[Superman]

100 Days of "Fair & Balanced"
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Wow. :whatever:

[NHawk19]

So you think 13% positive coverage of Obama is &quot;fair and balanced&quot;? :hehe: I'm going to take a guess here that the so-called liberal networks like CNN gave Bush more of the benefit of the doubt during his first 100 days than Fox has given Obama. In fact, I know they gave him the benefit of the doubt. They helped sell the damn war to the public. Good old &quot;liberal&quot; MSNBC had Lester Holt on there cheerleading the leadup to war...no coincidence that MSNBC's owner, General Electric, is one of the biggest weapons manufacturers in the world and profiteered from the war effort.

BTW, here is the report that backs up the 13% claim above:

http://www.cmpa.com/news/4_27_2009.pdf

Remember they also like controversy . . .War was good for business

[Shifty]

REPORT: Time and again, Fox News doctors video to smear progressives (http://mediamatters.org/reports/200905050003)

[ObakeTora]

sorry to but in but has this been posted????
Sean Hannity's Nazi friend

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and this?

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[SuBe]

REPORT: Time and again, Fox News doctors video to smear progressives (http://mediamatters.org/reports/200905050003)
Media Matters? THAT is a report I can trust. :whatever:

[Superman]

To be honest, I don't think anyone that falls outside the realm of the hard right believes FOX News to be 'fair and balanced'.

I think its fair and balanced.There you go... :cwink::hehe:

[Shifty]

Media Matters? THAT is a report I can trust. :whatever:

They have video evidence that hasn't been doctored, maybe read the report and then decide.

[SuBe]

There you go... :cwink::hehe:
:hehe:

[SuBe]

They have video evidence that hasn't been doctored, maybe read the report and then decide.
Media Matter has an agenda, why should I be surprised that they have a *gasp* report that shows Fox's Bias.

[Wiseman]

Why are liberals so hateful towards fox news when at least they try to pretend like they don't have a bias. MSNBC can't even be considered a news channel. Fluffers have more dignity and self respect then they do.

[Superman]

Why are liberals so hateful towards fox news when at least they try to pretend like they don't have a bias. MSNBC can't even be considered a news channel. Fluffers have more dignity and self respect then they do.So we should like Fox news because they lie to it's audience by "pretending they don't have a bias" but we shouldn't like MSNBC because they tell us the truth about how they feel?

Riiiight.:whatever:

[Wiseman]

So we should like Fox news because they lie to it's audience by "pretending they don't have a bias" but we shouldn't like MSNBC because they tell us the truth about how they feel?

Riiiight.:whatever:

I never said you should like fox. I simply find it sad the hatred that the left has for fox when they aren't doing anything other networks haven't been doing for years simply because they oppose your views. Liberals love propaganda as long as it's their propaganda. I love the way freedom of speech works for people on the left.

[Superman]

I never said you should like fox. I simply find it sad the hatred that the left has for fox when they aren't doing anything other networks haven't been doing for years simply because they oppose your views. Liberals love propaganda as long as it's their propaganda. I love the way freedom of speech works for people on the left.You show the same hatred for MSNBC as Liberals do for FOX so before you go off on how bad Liberals are maybe you should look in a mirror.

[Wiseman]

You show the same hatred for MSNBC as Liberals do for FOX so before you go off on how bad Liberals are maybe you should look in a mirror.

I don't hate MSNBC. I don't care that they exist. If I did then I'd have a thread just to whine about them. Me asking why liberals hate fox so much and are ok with MSNBC isn't me complaining about MSNBC. I think both networks have a right to exist and if advertisers are willing to support them then they should be able to talk about whatever they want. Anyone who watches either network and can't form their own opinion based on facts is an idiot who probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

[Addendum]

Media Matter has an agenda, why should I be surprised that they have a *gasp* report that shows Fox's Bias.

Yeah, the only agenda Media Matters has is accurately quoting what some talking head says. Some of them don't like that.

[Superman]

Yeah, the only agenda Media Matters has is accurately quoting what some talking head says. Some of them don't like that.Yeah, That accurately quoting thing gets the Right every time. They can't stand it when you do that. :cwink: :hehe:

[Kelly]

I don't hate MSNBC. I don't care that they exist. If I did then I'd have a thread just to whine about them. Me asking why liberals hate fox so much and are ok with MSNBC isn't me complaining about MSNBC. I think both networks have a right to exist and if advertisers are willing to support them then they should be able to talk about whatever they want. Anyone who watches either network and can't form their own opinion based on facts is an idiot who probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.


Idiots have rights to...................................:cmad:

[Marx]

FOX News is not 'fair and balanced' and MSNBC has a left leaning bias.

This should not be news to anyone.

[redfirebird2008]

Idiots have rights to...................................:cmad:

You mean, "...too." :cwink:

[SuBe]

You mean, "...too." :cwink:
She didn't finish.

Idiots have rights to [watch whatever they want and agree with whomever they want]