ACORN: The Official Thread

[VampElvis]

Yes a corrupt polician from Chicago whose rise was just on false promises a catchy slogan and a whole bunch of people not questioning anything, and a half-wit who might not even be legally sane if actually tested.

I feel so warm and fuzzy inside thinking of our chosen leaders
:lmao: That made me laugh

[VampElvis]

You do realize voter registration fraud is a misdemeanor right? Do their practices suck? Yes. Is it really worthy of round the clock news coverage, or even any news coverage like Matt is saying? No, not really.
But when a publicly funded, national organization shows a repeated disregard for these laws does it warrant a congressional investigation? You bet Rosie O'Donnell's ample buttocks it does.

[StorminNorman]

You do realize voter registration fraud is a misdemeanor right? Do their practices suck? Yes. Is it really worthy of round the clock news coverage, or even any news coverage like Matt is saying? No, not really.

The fraud I am concerned about is that of the taxpayers. It's a criminal organization.

[souvlaki]

The fraud I am concerned about is that of the taxpayers. It's a criminal organization.

Until there is actual evidence of real voter fraud (which there is none) the only thing ACORN as an entity is guilty of as far as I'm concerned is hiring idiots. The only purpose the voter registration fraud probably served was a regional manager or two encouraging signups with the purpose of boosting their signup numbers. To my knowledge all those problems were handled internally already, and their commission based paying system has been eliminated. If this happens again in 2010 or 2012 I'll probably agree with you, but right now investigating this is as much a waste of taxpayer money as giving money to ACORN itself. We give money to all kinds of companies with bad business practices, and all of them have their fair share of idiots working in high positions. Do they all warrant congressional investigations?

[Wiseman]

Until there is actual evidence of real voter fraud (which there is none) the only thing ACORN as an entity is guilty of as far as I'm concerned is hiring idiots. The only purpose the voter registration fraud probably served was a regional manager or two encouraging signups with the purpose of boosting their signup numbers. To my knowledge all those problems were handled internally already, and their commission based paying system has been eliminated. If this happens again in 2010 or 2012 I'll probably agree with you, but right now investigating this is as much a waste of taxpayer money as giving money to ACORN itself.

So you are saying that there is no actual evidence even though there have been plenty of allegations............and you are also saying that there is no need to investigate.


That makes sense, I mean just because you see smoke inside your house, that doesn't mean you should check and see if something's on fire. I'm sure it's fine

[souvlaki]

So you are saying that there is no actual evidence even though there have been plenty of allegations............and you are also saying that there is no need to investigate.


That makes sense, I mean just because you see smoke inside your house, that doesn't mean you should check and see if something's on fire. I'm sure it's fine

Do you not know the difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud? There is a huge difference between registering Mickey Mouse to vote, and Mickey Mouse actually showing up to vote.

[Handsome Rob]

Do you not know the difference between voter registration fraud and voter fraud? There is a huge difference between registering Mickey Mouse to vote, and Mickey Mouse actually showing up to vote.

I know the difference. I also know what is the same: In each instance, it is FRAUD.

Either one affects the integrity (perceived and actual) of our voting system. And, a perception of integrity is just as important to the voting process as actual integrity--particularly when it comes to voting.

[souvlaki]

I know the difference. I also know what is the same: In each instance, it is FRAUD.

Either one affects the integrity (perceived and actual) of our voting system. And, a perception of integrity is just as important to the voting process as actual integrity--particularly when it comes to voting.

One is a misdemeanor, one is a felony. One occurs ALL THE TIME because by law ALL APPLICATIONS have to be turned into the Registrar of Voters, fake or not, the other, well... only 1% of all cases of voter fraud have actually been successfully prosecuted. One effects the outcome of an election, the other doesn't. There is a huge difference.

[Handsome Rob]

One is a misdemeanor, one is a felony. One occurs ALL THE TIME because by law ALL APPLICATIONS have to be turned into the Registrar of Voters, fake or not, the other, well... only 1% of all cases of voter fraud have actually been successfully prosecuted. One effects the outcome of an election, the other doesn't. There is a huge difference.

Both affect the outcome of an election--one in actuality and perception (voter fraud), the other in perception only (registration fraud). Both cause damage to the voting system.

Or, do you believe that the only way an outcome of an election can be affected is by whether or not "fake" or "dead" people vote?

[souvlaki]

I understand what you are saying btw, Handsome Rob, I just don't get why people freak out about ACORN like they are guilty of everything under the sun. Voter registration fraud happens a lot simply because of the laws regarding destroying applications. Does ACORN have issues? Yes. But they've also apparently been solved internally. Should that be taken into consideration when they put in their application for federal funding? Of course. But I think people saying there is some vast conspiracy involving the Obama White House and the liberal media because congress has better things to do with it's time than investigate a misdemeanor is bordering on wing nut crazy.

[souvlaki]

Both affect the outcome of an election--one in actuality and perception (voter fraud), the other in perception only (registration fraud). Both cause damage to the voting system.

Or, do you believe that the only way an outcome of an election can be affected is by whether or not "fake" or "dead" people vote?

Okay, I get your point. On the other hand I don't remember congress investigating claims of voter intimidation back in 2000, 2004, or 2008 either. That in my opinion has far more of an effect on an election than the perception of high registration numbers.

[VampElvis]

I'm perturbed by this ACORN situation, but I'm almost angry that they dropped the charges on the Black Panthers in PA. THAT had an impact; or at least I believe it did.

[Kelly]

Geeeeeez people, chill out and discuss.

[Kelly]

I understand what you are saying btw, Handsome Rob, I just don't get why people freak out about ACORN like they are guilty of everything under the sun. Voter registration fraud happens a lot simply because of the laws regarding destroying applications. Does ACORN have issues? Yes. But they've also apparently been solved internally. Should that be taken into consideration when they put in their application for federal funding? Of course. But I think people saying there is some vast conspiracy involving the Obama White House and the liberal media because congress has better things to do with it's time than investigate a misdemeanor is bordering on wing nut crazy.


I could really care less about voter registration fraud, it happens in every election. But, they have been a part of alot of things that don't bode well with me. Probably the biggest is their involvment in the Fannie/Freddie crap.....they were the organization that pushed for alot of what was written in the legislation to allow some pretty shady housing deals to people that couldn't afford the loans they were getting....Considering that is the base of the problems we see today.......I can't help but have a queasy feeling in my stomach to think they are going to have a hand in anything specific to the National Government, as in our Census, etc. Just don't feel good about that....nor do I plan on answering any of the questions except how many people live in my house if they are the organization heading this up......

[souvlaki]

I could really care less about voter registration fraud, it happens in every election. But, they have been a part of alot of things that don't bode well with me. Probably the biggest is their involvment in the Fannie/Freddie crap.....they were the organization that pushed for alot of what was written in the legislation to allow some pretty shady housing deals to people that couldn't afford the loans they were getting....Considering that is the base of the problems we see today.......I can't help but have a queasy feeling in my stomach to think they are going to have a hand in anything specific to the National Government, as in our Census, etc. Just don't feel good about that....nor do I plan on answering any of the questions except how many people live in my house if they are the organization heading this up......

What is the penalty for refusing to answer the census questions out of curiosity?

[Bathead]

What is the penalty for refusing to answer the census questions out of curiosity?

Hm? Don't believe there is any. I think.

[Hobodeluxe]

The Regional direction in Nevada was charged with Voter Registration Fraud.

The fined ACORN for its workers being found guilty of Voter Registration Fraud.

Seven men charged in Pennsylvanian have claimed that they were pressured by the organization to fulfill quotas

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/politics/19471568/detail.html

Even Souvlaki admitted how flawed and stupid their organizational practices were. They system for registering voters intentionally festers Voter Registration Fraud.


by "charged with" you mean convicted right?

as for "pressure to fill quotas" that's not exactly directing them to forge signatures.

you're seeing this vast conspiracy where there is none. This whole effort by the right to make these accusations and repeat them ad nauseum is part of an agenda to eliminate them as a voter registration group.
They register too many minorities/poor people for some people to accept I guess.

Far less egregious than Bush (and Obama hasn't stopped it) giving out money for "faith based initiatives" in a quid pro quo for the churches'/religious organization's membership contact lists and political coordination.

[Kelly]

What is the penalty for refusing to answer the census questions out of curiosity?


It is a fine, I believe, of up to $5,000.....but I have never heard of anyone actually getting fined for not answering......

It will be interesting to see when people don't answer more than the number in their household and if they get fined. For some reason, I think fines will be given out with this census.....not sure why I believe that, but I do....

[Kelly]

Hm? Don't believe there is any. I think.


Yes there is....it's a fine. Points above....

[StorminNorman]

by "charged with" you mean convicted right?

as for "pressure to fill quotas" that's not exactly directing them to forge signatures.

you're seeing this vast conspiracy where there is none. This whole effort by the right to make these accusations and repeat them ad nauseum is part of an agenda to eliminate them as a voter registration group.
They register too many minorities/poor people for some people to accept I guess.

Far less egregious than Bush (and Obama hasn't stopped it) giving out money for "faith based initiatives" in a quid pro quo for the churches'/religious organization's membership contact lists and political coordination.

Yes, why would the right not want to oust a partisan, corrupt organization? :huh:

I don't buy into the Beck theory that Obama and ACORN are trying to destroy the American economy in hopes of building a socialist utopia (for one it wouldn't work here anyway) - but the company is clearly corrupt.

[Kelly]

agreed.....


And I don't think everyone in the organization is corrupt. I think many,truly want to do good in their community, but the leadership IMO, has more to do with power, than helping our urban communities.

[Matt]

Until there is actual evidence of real voter fraud (which there is none) the only thing ACORN as an entity is guilty of as far as I'm concerned is hiring idiots. The only purpose the voter registration fraud probably served was a regional manager or two encouraging signups with the purpose of boosting their signup numbers. To my knowledge all those problems were handled internally already, and their commission based paying system has been eliminated. If this happens again in 2010 or 2012 I'll probably agree with you, but right now investigating this is as much a waste of taxpayer money as giving money to ACORN itself. We give money to all kinds of companies with bad business practices, and all of them have their fair share of idiots working in high positions. Do they all warrant congressional investigations?

Yes, they do. If a murderer kills someone do you say, "Lets wait and see if they do it again before we investigate,"? Your biases are showing big time Souv. If a crime was committed, even by dumb employees, then we as tax payers who have given money to their organization have the right to know who did it and to what extent the corruption reached.

[StorminNorman]

agreed.....


And I don't think everyone in the organization is corrupt. I think many,truly want to do good in their community, but the leadership IMO, has more to do with power, than helping our urban communities.

Bingo.

[SuBe]

You know the story (http://biggovernment.breitbart.com/) by now. Some independent filmmaker and a 20-year-old flatbelly walk into an ACORN office in Baltimore. They're there for some tax help. ACORN, you see, will help people with tax forms ...for a fee. He tells the ACORN workers that he's a pimp and the girl is his prostitute. They need help in reporting her income. The ACORN workers don't bat an eye ... they suggest that she should report here income as a performance artist. Then it gets good. They tell the ACORN staffers that they're bringing in some "very young" girls from El Salvador and the girls will be turning tricks for them. Now understand what we're talking about here .. slavery. These young teens will be held and forced to work as teen hookers for this guy. What did the ACORN workers do? They offered some advice to the "pimp" and his "prostitute" on how to hide these girls and get some tax write-offs for their care.

This is ACORN folks. These are the people who are under investigation throughout the country for voter fraud. These are the people who nurtured our President as he community activated his way to the White House. These people are crooks. Their very reason for being is to destroy the fabric of our country in order to prepare us to be a nation of government.

What did ACORN have to say when the video surfaced? They called it "gotcha journalism." What in the hell does that mean? I guess it means that a journalist checks out an organization that is receiving boatloads of public funds to see what they'll do if presented with a clear-cut plan for sex slavery and child exploitation. Then the journalist finds that the organization seems willing to actually help the bad guys get away with their scheme! Then the journalist spreads the word ... and this is "gotcha journalism?" Well then I guess you can say that I love "gotcha journalism."
Oh ... and ACORN fired the two workers that were involved in this mess. But don't expect anything to change here. It will be ACORN business as usual. And prosecution? Are you kidding? Do you think that the federal government would even consider prosecution for aiding and abetting? Are you forgetting who's in the White House and who is running Justice?
http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html (http://boortz.com/nealz_nuze/index.html)





Second Video Shows ACORN Officials Helping 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in Washington Office

One day after two ACORN officials in Baltimore were fired for offering to help a man and woman posing as a pimp and prostitute to engage in child prostitution and a series of tax crimes, another secretly shot videotape has surfaced that shows the same couple getting similar advice from ACORN officers in Washington.

The newly released videotape, shot on July 25, shows ACORN staffers explaining to the pair how they can hide the woman's professed work — prostitution — and get a loan that will help them establish a brothel.
James O'Keefe, a 25-year-old independent filmmaker, posed as the pimp while visiting the ACORN office, accompanied by 20-year-old Hannah Giles, who posed as the prostitute. On a videotape provided to FOXNews.com, they are seen receiving guidance to establish the woman as the sole proprietor of a bogus company to mask the nature of her business.
"She's not going to put on (the loan application) that she's doing prostitution ... she doesn't have to," the ACORN staffer says. "You don't have to sit back and tell people what you do."

• Click here to see video. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html#)

The ACORN staffer is heard suggesting that O'Keefe can purchase a houseand as the landlord, if he is ever questioned by authorities, he can say he was unaware of the illegal business going on inside.

"[W]hen the police ask you, (tell them) you don't know where (the money is) coming from," the staffer said. "We are looking out for you."
The ACORN employee later suggests that O'Keefe, who said he had a budding political career, not linger at the house in case people "put the dots together" and leave him "smeared and tarnished" by his association with his prostitute girlfriend. She should keep her business "low key," the employee said.
An ACORN spokesman told FOX News the group would need to look at the full tape and transcript before commenting.



One day before the Washington video was shot, O'Keefe and Giles sought help from ACORN workers in Baltimore, who told the pair how to falsify tax forms and seek illegal benefits for 13 "very young" girls from El Salvador that they said they said they wanted to import as prostitutes.

As he did in the taping in Baltimore, O'Keefe told the Washington officers that he had plans to bring as many as 10 women from El Salvador to work as prostitutes in Giles' "business."

"There's like 10 girls," O'Keefe says. "There's ten El Salvodoreans."
The ACORN staffer replies, "I understand what you are saying."

ACORN — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — calls itself a network of families "working together for social justice and stronger communities," according to its Web site (http://www.acorn.org/).

The organization has been accused by conservatives and Republicans of committing fraud in voter registration drives around the country, and reaction to the videotape came swiftly after its release on Thursday.
"Taxpayers should be outraged that their money has gone to an organization that, in addition to facing charges of voter fraud and tax violations, is willing to facilitate prostitution," said Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa.

"As this video confirms, ACORN continues to operate as a criminal enterprise."

The first videotape, made in the Baltimore offices of ACORN, was made public Thursday on the political blog BigGovernment.com. That night, after portions of the video were aired throughout the day on FOX News, the group fired the two women who assisted O'Keefe and Giles in Baltimore.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html

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[chaseter]

Isn't ACORN in charge of the Census now?

[Nivek]

11 people isn't 100,000 people.

[Hobodeluxe]

I saw a video like that once where army recruiters were helping kids fake drug tests and telling them to lie on their applications.
that must mean the entire military is corrupt.

[Bob ROARman!]

Happened in DC area as well.

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[Nivek]

ACORN= That old chestnut when you tire of Birth Certificates and Tea parties.

[Bob ROARman!]

What exactly are you arguing against?

[Nivek]

Harping on ACORN.

[Bob ROARman!]

Harping on people who are more than willing to help child sex rings and slavery exist? Oh wait, it's entrapment. Those poor ACORN employees. Give me a break.

[chaseter]

11 people isn't 100,000 people.
11 higherups in insurance companies making policy for the entire company doesn't make all insurance companies evil:doh:

But, we have seen the bad insurance companies can do and we need to regulate them. We have seen the bad that ACORN can do sooooooo:o

[Hobodeluxe]

you forgot about how ACORN and Van Jones cause Katrina (http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/11/on-911-beck-tries-out-new-conspiracy-theory-acorn-van-jones-to-blame-for-katrina/)

[chaseter]

Like how Bush knowingly let 9-11 happen!

[Kurosawa]

11 higherups in insurance companies making policy for the entire company doesn't make all insurance companies evil:doh:

But, we have seen the bad insurance companies can do and we need to regulate them. We have seen the bad that ACORN can do sooooooo:o

The insurance industry is legalized extortion and is comparable to organized crime. Period.

[VampElvis]

And that doesn't invalidate the argument.

But it looks like these numerous issues have finally added up to enough to get them fired from the census.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ALCUJO0&show_article=1

[chaseter]

Good to know:up:

[Kelly]

Isn't ACORN in charge of the Census now?

No, the Census Bureau as of 2 days ago have broke all ties with ACORN.

[StorminNorman]

The insurance industry is legalized extortion and is comparable to organized crime. Period.

So is the IRS :up:

[ChrisBaleBatman]

So...ACORN is PRO-prostitution?

With that said, that's a ****ed up story. But, is it systemic? I dunno.


This is ACORN folks. These are the people who are under investigation throughout the country for voter fraud. These are the people who nurtured our President as he community activated his way to the White House. These people are crooks. Their very reason for being is to destroy the fabric of our country in order to prepare us to be a nation of government.



This sounds too over dramatic. Extremely over dramatic. Making them sound like the Legion of Doom or some ****.



What did ACORN have to say when the video surfaced? They called it "gotcha journalism." What in the hell does that mean?


I thought a great deal of people have heard of the term.

But, interesting article. It's also interesting to see the liberals on ACORN now too. That does kinda speak to how big an issue they're becoming.

[StorminNorman]

How much smoke do you need before you realize there is fire?

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Sorry Norm, I haven't been on this. I haven't been investigating them.

All I know of, off the top of my head, is the fraud and this.

I'll look around to see if I find more, to see if I can agree with you.

[Kurosawa]

So is the IRS :up:

Fine. Walk on dirt roads and have no military. In other words, move to some deserted island.

[Kurosawa]

Sorry Norm, I haven't been on this. I haven't been investigating them.

All I know of, off the top of my head, is the fraud and this.

I'll look around to see if I find more, to see if I can agree with you.

The main issue conservatives have with ACORN and organizations like them is they help minorities vote. Period.

Not that this isn't a disappointing story, although I'm sure you could dig something like this up from any decent sized political organization.

[Kelly]

Yep, Planned Parenthood has had videos like that that ended in firings as well.

[StorminNorman]

Fine. Walk on dirt roads and have no military. In other words, move to some deserted island.

That assumes the foolish and ridiculous notion that the IRS is the only way to receive tax income in this country.

[StorminNorman]

The main issue conservatives have with ACORN and organizations like them is they help minorities vote. Period.


You are adorable.

[SuBe]

The main issue conservatives have with ACORN and organizations like them is they help minorities vote. Period.


That is really cute. You are like some sort of Magic 8 Ball. Always saying the same things, not matter the subject. Not that they did anything wrong, it's just the Evil Conservatives are all Racists.

[chaseter]

The main issue conservatives have with ACORN and organizations like them is they help minorities vote. Period.

Not that this isn't a disappointing story, although I'm sure you could dig something like this up from any decent sized political organization.

Yeah, offering cigarettes and money to go vote for a specific person is helping those minorities vote! Voter fraud is still voting right!?

[Kurosawa]

That is really cute. You are like some sort of Magic 8 Ball. Always saying the same things, not matter the subject. Not that they did anything wrong, it's just the Evil Conservatives are all Racists.

Just like how you say the Lazy Liberals are all Leeches?

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, offering cigarettes and money to go vote for a specific person is helping those minorities vote! Voter fraud is still voting right!?

I'm sure most of what they do is legit, and they have a few jerks who do bad things that their opponents blow out of proportion.

[chaseter]

Yes. But, isn't that the truth about nearly everything that people complain about from both sides?

[Kelly]

Yep, if my taxpayer $$$$$$ were going to fund these 9/12 Rallies I would be just as pissed as I am that my taxpayer money is going to fund Acorn.

Until the organization is cleaned up, and the people at the lower levels are regulated better....I don't want my money going there.

[Paradoxium]

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$50 someone draws double entendre on racism.

[Nivek]

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/351/afo20090912.jpg

$50 someone draws double entendre on racism.

It just seems like a flat, "meh" joke. Not racist, it's not like they put that sign on a Chicken Coop.

[dnno1]

According to ACORN (http://acorn.org/fileadmin/Press_Releases/roger_ailes_091009.pdf), this is a scam that was funded by FOX News. ACORN has contacted their lawyers and have determined what FOX has done was criminal since they taped that video without any of the party's consent. ACORN has since submitted a letter to FOX (http://acorn.org/fileadmin/Press_Releases/roger_ailes_091109.pdf) to cease and desist on that matter.

[Paradyme]

Spin, spin, spin.

[chaseter]

HAHAHA. Who cares if the undercover film maker was a Fox employee. What ACORN still did was wrong. FAIL.

[dnno1]

Spin, spin, spin.

If somebody's attorney writes a letter to cease and deist, and has cause for accusing someone of committing a crime, that is not spin. That's serious.

HAHAHA. Who cares if the undercover film maker was a Fox employee. What ACORN still did was wrong. FAIL.

If you notice in the videos, you never see the so called pimp and hooker actually telling the ACORN employees that they were a pimp and a hooker and furthermore they were on camera with out the permission of ACORN or their employees, which is against the law in Maryland (note that the ACORN employees knew nothing about them being a pimp or a hooker). Not spin, just payback.

[chaseter]

OH! But, giving advice for what to do with 14 year old sex slaves and how to get around tax laws is alright!? Are you serious? Watch the video. If you think ACORN was not in the wrong any at all then well.............................................. ................:dry:

Yes! Payback! Get them back for catching us on camera doing things against the law!!! GET 'EM!!! The videographers should get in trouble if it is against the law. But, if you are defending ACORN then I am completely bewildered.

[Paradyme]

If somebody's attorney writes a letter to cease and deist, and has cause for accusing someone of committing a crime, that is not spin. That's serious.



If you notice in the videos, you never see the so called pimp and hooker actually telling the ACORN employees that they were a pimp and a hooker and furthermore they were on camera with out the permission of ACORN or their employees, which is against the law in Maryland (note that the ACORN employees knew nothing about them being a pimp or a hooker). Not spin, just payback.

This has happened in more locations than just Maryland and they have specified in every video that I've seen that she was a hooker, which would imply that he is her pimp.

Maybe a more fitting thing for me to have put down rather than spin is lie, lie, lie.

[dnno1]

OH! But, giving advice for what to do with 14 year old sex slaves and how to get around tax laws is alright!? Are you serious? Watch the video. If you think ACORN was not in the wrong any at all then well.............................................. ................:dry:

Yes! Payback! Get them back for catching us on camera doing things against the law!!! GET 'EM!!! The videographers should get in trouble if it is against the law. But, if you are defending ACORN then I am completely bewildered.

That's just it. ACORN's claim is that the film was doctored after the interview, so the party involved did not know about the sex slaves. It is pay back in that they committed a crime. Unless they can disclose the full unedited interview that shows that they did disclose that the guy was a pimp and the woman was a hooker and they wanted to bring sex slaves in the country, which was not offered in the posted video.

[chaseter]

You can hear them ask questions and they reply. That isn't edited:dry:

[SuBe]

I heard the Audio. He said she was a Prostitute. He was asked what her profession was. He said Prostitute. The Lady from ACORN knew full well what she was answering.

[dnno1]

You can hear them ask questions and they reply. That isn't edited:dry:

Yeah, you hear the reply, but what were the questions specifically (that came from the clients, not the narrator)? That we do not know for sure and they could have asked them anything other than that they were doing something illegal.

[SentinelMind]

According to ACORN (http://acorn.org/fileadmin/Press_Releases/roger_ailes_091009.pdf), this is a scam that was funded by FOX News. ACORN has contacted their lawyers and have determined what FOX has done was criminal since they taped that video without any of the party's consent. ACORN has since submitted a letter to FOX (http://acorn.org/fileadmin/Press_Releases/roger_ailes_091109.pdf) to cease and desist on that matter.

You can't be so partisan to believe that foolishness. All the 'poor victims' acknowledged the prostitution and tax evasion themselves in the video, regardless of whether you want to believe the narration is edited.

The argument that the ACORN workers should have been notified of the camera may have some merit, but there is no argument that the workers didn't knoww exactly what they were doing and what they were saying.

[SuBe]

Just like how you say the Lazy Liberals are all Leeches?

My definition of Leech is someone or something taking something that isn't their's by force. What do you call using Government to take Money from those that earn it to give to those that don't or spend on programs that benefit disproportionately on those that didn't earn the money in the first place? Leech.


You can't say that a group of people that fight for the rights of the individual to provide for their own is a Racist.

[Backdrifter]

ACORN= That old chestnut when you tire of Birth Certificates and Tea parties.

This isn't an argument. This is a politically-biased reaction to this report. How can anyone defend this kind of behavior happening at two separate ACORN branches? I am just amazed to see anyone get behind this. Defending child sex-slave 'owners'? Are you kidding me?

[Kelly]

Actually its up to 4....and rumor is, there are more....

[dnno1]

You can't be so partisan to believe that foolishness. All the 'poor victims' acknowledged the prostitution and tax evasion themselves in the video, regardless of whether you want to believe the narration is edited.

The argument that the ACORN workers should have been notified of the camera may have some merit, but there is no argument that the workers didn't knoww exactly what they were doing and what they were saying.

Hey, the fact of the matter is that there is a letter written to Roger Ailes ot cease and desist with citations of laws that were broken. I have only reported what has taken place and it looks like there is a legitimate beef.

[Backdrifter]

I just...:facepalm:

I don't know what to even say to some of the people in here... I am so disappointed right now. So very disappointed.

[chaseter]

I also cannot believe the length that some people go to defend blatant crap:o

[Paradoxium]

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[Backdrifter]

This is truly a landmark low point for the political forums.

[samsnee]

I agree that the people on this video are clearly idiots and shouldn't be employed. But as others have said, I'm sure you can find voter fraud on BOTH sides if you really look. Two wrongs don't make a right, but I hate when I hear one side acting like they do no wrong.

[VampElvis]

If you're going to attack the ones who filmed the ACORN employees, why stop there? Time to go after this guy too......



http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w137/boatracer5/ChrisHanson.jpg

[SuBe]

This is truly a landmark low point for the political forums.
Go on....

[TheComicbookKid]

Damn, that was some pretty disgusting behavior. I'm not going to condemn the entire organization based on three incidents, but they do need to tighten up their practices and oversight.

[VampElvis]

That's three incidents this week. There are others.

[Paradyme]

Damn, that was some pretty disgusting behavior. I'm not going to condemn the entire organization based on three incidents, but they do need to tighten up their practices and oversight.

That's three incidents this week. There are others.

It's up to four and you will see another tonight.

[TheComicbookKid]

Obama just needs to order any public money be stopped and Acorn loses tax exempt status unless a severe restructing takes place. Similar to what United Way had to do to repair its image.

[chaseter]

These incidents aren't the first bad things to happen inside ACORN.

[Backdrifter]

Go on....

Watching some people scrape the bottom of the barrel in an effort to defend this organization simply because of it's affiliation with Obama. It is low. Very low.

[Kurosawa]

My definition of Leech is someone or something taking something that isn't their's by force. What do you call using Government to take Money from those that earn it to give to those that don't or spend on programs that benefit disproportionately on those that didn't earn the money in the first place? Leech.


You can't say that a group of people that fight for the rights of the individual to provide for their own is a Racist.

I find Social Darwinism disgusting myself, but whatever.

[SuBe]

I find Social Darwinism disgusting myself, but whatever.
I find people that are willing to use Government as a weapon on their neighbor to steal their hard earn money and willing to sacrifice the liberty of their Brother for a free hand out disgusting.

[Tally Man]

I find people that are willing to use Government as a weapon on their neighbor to steal their hard earn money and willing to sacrifice the liberty of their Brother for a free hand out disgusting.

I find strawmen to be disgusting. :whatever:

[Backdrifter]

I find Social Darwinism disgusting myself, but whatever.

If I was a social darwinist, I'd be a communist. Well, that is to say, I would be a communist politician.

[SuBe]

The IRS says it will no longer include ACORN (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9AT86L00&show_article=1&catnum=0) in its volunteer tax assistance program.

As for ACORN? They're filing suit against the filmmakers (http://wjz.com/wireapnewsmd/APNewsBreak.ACORN.files.2.1203697.html) who uncovered their slimy underbelly.

[StorminNorman]

It's amazing that two people and a video camera can destroy an organizational so well connected so quickly. Truly, truly amazing.

[SuBe]

It's what America is all about :heart:

[chaseter]

I am surprised that the film makers weren't called racists.

[Handsome Rob]

The IRS says it will no longer include ACORN (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9AT86L00&show_article=1&catnum=0) in its volunteer tax assistance program.


I did an internship at a credit union for the VITA program when I was in college. That's a shame, because providing free tax return prep to lower income individuals and families is a good service, and the corruption at ACORN (which is supposed to help lower income individuals) is now going to prevent them from . . . helping lower income individuals and families.

[chaseter]

Helping them is good, but trading that service for a vote for certain candidates is not. ACORN may have started off good, but it isn't anymore imo. Many organizations have become corrupt over time and they need to be knocked down a few pegs to get back to where they should be.

[SuBe]

I am surprised that the film makers weren't called racists.
I'm sure they were.

[Kelly]

What cracks me up about this WHOLE THING IS.....

When the guy (pimp director) was asked what his political leaning was....are you ready......his answer was....






PROGRESSIVE........lmao. A Progressive takes down ACORN....NOW THAT is America.

[VampElvis]

I am surprised that the film makers weren't called racists.

I'm sure they were.

I read an article about the two yesterday (I can't remember where it was at or I'd post a link) and apparently the male does a LOT of this kind of stuff. Supposedly he has audio of a phone call in which Planned Parenthood in California agreeing to take a financial contribution from him under the condition that it only be used to abort black babies.

Now I'm sure his intent was either to show hipocracy or to demonstrate allegations of racism against Planned Parenthood (I've heard claims by percentage they really put a dent in the black population against others, but I've never looked into it myself) but either way, I'm sure these two projects will queue up some nasty mud being slung in his direction.

[BlackLantern]

Ive come across rumbling about Planned Parenthood and their "practices"

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Anyone catch the ACORN coverage on Maddow last night?

I thought it was rather interesting.

The voter fraud myth was interesting, at least.

There's a link to the study that made it onto her show. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28314808/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show

http://www.uni.edu/martinc/acornstudy.html

I'm coming at this with a fresh view. I doubt many others are, though. The study is basically supposed to be how the mainstream media fails. Alot, I guess.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Just looking over the Highlights section, some interesting stuff I guess to see:


...More than 60% of all stories about ACORN during 2007 and 2008 appeared in the single month of October 2008, creating an "October Surprise".

In October 2008, at the peak of the campaign, negative attacks dominated the news about ACORN:

76% focused on allegations of voter fraud
8.7% involved accusations that public funds were being funneled to ACORN
7.9% of the stories involved charges that ACORN is a front for registering democrats
3.1% involved blaming ACORN for the mortgage scandal

80.3% of the stories failed to mention that ACORN was reporting the voter irregularities to autorities, as required by law.

[BlackLantern]

any suspicions that what ACORN was reporting was altered in any way??

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I dunno, still reading the study...article. Hasn't mentioned suspicions in ACORN juking the numbers, though.

The article seems to, so far, claim that ACORN was being used as a politcal football to try and nail the Obama. The article claims that ACORN could still be rolled out into 2012 to be used against Obama, and Dems.

It does seem more like a condemnation of the media, more than an actual defense of ACORN, I think.

[VampElvis]

I'd be more concerned to know if any organization similar to ACORN had the similar numbers of issues. That would be telling.

[StorminNorman]

I dunno, still reading the study...article. Hasn't mentioned suspicions in ACORN juking the numbers, though.

The article seems to, so far, claim that ACORN was being used as a politcal football to try and nail the Obama. The article claims that ACORN could still be rolled out into 2012 to be used against Obama, and Dems.

It does seem more like a condemnation of the media, more than an actual defense of ACORN, I think.

After the pimps and hoes bit, it will definitely be used against Obama and Democrats in 2010 and 2012.

[Kelly]

If Obama wants to close this issue for him in 2012, he better push for a Federal Investigation....


Because he doesn't need a group running around signing up Mickey Mouse to win....he needs Moderates and Independents....

[Paradoxium]

Bank Pulls Back From Acorn Work (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125409478511144963.html)

[ChrisBaleBatman]

After the pimps and hoes bit, it will definitely be used against Obama and Democrats in 2010 and 2012.

Yeah.

And like anything else, I think it's something that's been thrown...and has stuck. I've read that Obama never worked for ACORN.

But, it doesn't matter if he has or hasn't.

Because perception is that he did, and we all know how huge perception is in politics.

[chaseter]

Even if he didn't work for them, they endorsed his candidacy and gave him campaign contributions. Now, Obama turns around and gives them funds and a larger role in civil works. ACORN is found out to be corrupt and breaking the law as well as endorsing those attitudes. He had better distance himself from them and he had better condemn them or he will be associated with them rightfully so.

[StorminNorman]

Yeah.

And like anything else, I think it's something that's been thrown...and has stuck. I've read that Obama never worked for ACORN.

But, it doesn't matter if he has or hasn't.

Because perception is that he did, and we all know how huge perception is in politics.

Obama did legal work for ACORN, but has himself boated about being an ally of theirs.

Speaking to a Community Organizing event including ACORN:

"Before I even get inaugurated, during the transition we're going to being calling all of you in to help us shape the agenda. We're gonna be having meetings all over the country with community organizations so that you all have input into the agenda of the next presidency of the United States of America."

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Yeah, but the way it's tossed around you'd think Obama wore an ACORN t-shirt and was connected to hookers and pimps.

Kinda the same way how some might think Obama was in a lab cooking up bombs with Bill Ayers exploding buildings.

Politics, man. Politics.

It's a profession for animals, I'm starting to think. Willing to go for the jugular and willing to take one in the crotch.

[StorminNorman]

That's exactly what it is.

[Franklin Richards]

ACORN VS Blackwater


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:doom: :doom: :doom:

[chaseter]

I stopped listening when she said that halting funding to ACORN is wrong:dry:

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, but the way it's tossed around you'd think Obama wore an ACORN t-shirt and was connected to hookers and pimps.

Kinda the same way how some might think Obama was in a lab cooking up bombs with Bill Ayers exploding buildings.

Politics, man. Politics.

It's a profession for animals, I'm starting to think. Willing to go for the jugular and willing to take one in the crotch.

And that's why most of our government officials are douches. It's a profession for bad people.

[BlackLantern]

I half agree Kuro....it's that people go in with good intentions, and then get a taste of the power, the perrks and all that and it rots them from the inside

[Kurosawa]

Some of them. Most who go into politics are just scumbags from the get go.

[StorminNorman]

I stopped listening when she said that halting funding to ACORN is wrong:dry:

She didn't necessarily say that funding ACORN is wrong, but that we should not simply limit it to one guilty organization. I actually agree with her. I think we should defund the other organizations as well.

Some of them. Most who go into politics are just scumbags from the get go.

Not really. Politics attracts the civic minded simply because it's much easier to make more money in other industries without the attention, up front costs, etc.

[Kurosawa]

She didn't necessarily say that funding ACORN is wrong, but that we should not simply limit it to one guilty organization. I actually agree with her. I think we should defund the other organizations as well.



Not really. Politics attracts the civic minded simply because it's much easier to make more money in other industries without the attention, up front costs, etc.

There's a lot of people in politics that could make big cash elsewhere. Some of them may start out with good intentions, but our system is so broken that they almost all become corrupt.

This country is a crippled corrupt dinosaur that is ruled by a wealthy elite and special interests. The middle class is moving closer and closer to total extinction. Both parties hold blindly and stupidly to party lines and are more interested in beating the other than in making good public policy. There's too much money in it to fix it now...there is no hope and no future. Unless you are already wealthy, there is no point in even living.

[Kelly]

damn.....

[Marx]

I just read an article from the AP that said ACORN offices in Louisiana were raided on friday. It's being said that the raid was launched due to a probe into possible fraud and embezzlement charges.

[moraldeficiency]

There's a lot of people in politics that could make big cash elsewhere. Some of them may start out with good intentions, but our system is so broken that they almost all become corrupt.

This country is a crippled corrupt dinosaur that is ruled by a wealthy elite and special interests. The middle class is moving closer and closer to total extinction. Both parties hold blindly and stupidly to party lines and are more interested in beating the other than in making good public policy. There's too much money in it to fix it now...there is no hope and no future. Unless you are already wealthy, there is no point in even living.

So ah, how's the birthday card industry treating you?

[moraldeficiency]

I just read an article from the AP that said ACORN offices in Louisiana were raided on friday. It's being said that the raid was launched due to a probe into possible fraud and embezzlement charges.

Awesome, could you post the article?

[Timstuff]

This country is a crippled corrupt dinosaur that is ruled by a wealthy elite and special interests. The middle class is moving closer and closer to total extinction. Both parties hold blindly and stupidly to party lines and are more interested in beating the other than in making good public policy. There's too much money in it to fix it now...there is no hope and no future. Unless you are already wealthy, there is no point in even living.

So ah, how's the birthday card industry treating you?

Now I have the hilarious mental image in my head of a whimsical birthday card whose inside reads what Kurosawa just said, followed by "Best wishes, Jimmy!"

Seriously though, if your not rich then there's no point in living? Talk about misplaced life priorities...

[Marx]

Awesome, could you post the article?

It's from the AP...I'd rather not. You can find it on HuffingtonPost.com though. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Kurosawa]

Now I have the hilarious mental image in my head of a whimsical birthday card whose inside reads what Kurosawa just said, followed by "Best wishes, Jimmy!"

Seriously though, if your not rich then there's no point in living? Talk about misplaced life priorities...

Well, the better alternative is to try to get rich somehow, best method is by being the biggest greediest douche you can be. Whoever said money can't buy happiness was a damned idiot.

[Matt]

It's from the AP...I'd rather not. You can find it on HuffingtonPost.com though. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

I'm just sort of curious, why would you rather not post it?

[Timstuff]

Well, the better alternative is to try to get rich somehow, best method is by being the biggest greediest douche you can be. Whoever said money can't buy happiness was a damned idiot.

I'd rather die poor with a loving family than rich and alone. That may just be me and my foolish family values, but I do think there's a lot of misplaced desire people have for material wealth. It's easy to say "money doesn't buy happiness is a bunch of bull" if you've never been rich, and never had to endure the unique set of miseries that come with immense wealth. That's not to say you can't be happy and have money, but not having money doesn't mean you have to be miserable, and being rich doesn't mean you won't still be miserable.

[Kelly]

I'm just sort of curious, why would you rather not post it?

The AP is closely watching all articles from them on the internet. They have rules in the works about hotlinking their articles,as well as posting more than 5 words from their articles, including the title.

[Marx]

I'm just sort of curious, why would you rather not post it?

The AP is closely watching all articles from them on the internet. They have rules in the works about hotlinking their articles,as well as posting more than 5 words from their articles, including the title.

What Kel said. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Paradyme]

The AP is closely watching all articles from them on the internet. They have rules in the works about hotlinking their articles,as well as posting more than 5 words from their articles, including the title.

What Kel said. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

Thanks for the heads up. How do you find out about stuff like this?

[Heretic]

Thanks for the heads up. How do you find out about stuff like this?

The AP did an article on it. I'd post the article but...you know.

[Paradyme]

I understand.

[Marx]

I think Kel actually told me about it. I had no clue.

[Paradyme]

I mean, how would you have a clue unless you browsed the AP everyday? I wonder what the punishment would be for posting the article on this board? Not from mods but the AP.

[Marx]

Exactly, Para. I can't remember what the 'punishment' is. I think it's a fine for so many words posted from an actual AP article.

[Paradyme]

Alright, well, at least I now know and hopefully a few others that read this thread. Thanks again, ladies and jelly spoons.

[Paradyme]

ACORN sues over funding cut

A non-profit organization filed a lawsuit against the federal government Thursday morning, seeking to overturn a law stopping the flow of federal funds to ACORN.


The suit, filed in federal court in New York, claims that bills passed by the House and Senate to defund the group qualify as bills of attainder, legislation that unfairly targets one group. Such bills are unconstitutional.


The suit will seek to restore funding and roll-back the ban, which was passed as part of the legislative branch appropriations bill in September.


ACORN claims that the legislation was of “malicious and punitive intent.” The suit also claims Congress violated the Fifth Amendment by skirting due process before doling out the punishment of the funding cut. OMB Director Peter Orszag and Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner are listed as co-defendants in the suit.


Efforts to defund ACORN became popular among Democrats and Republicans after conservative activists caught the organization’s employees in several offices advising actors posing as a pimp and politician, along with his prostitute girlfriend, on how to evade taxes and set up a brothel.


Sen. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.) and others in Congress quickly moved to ensure no federal funds were steered to the group – measures that got support from even the most ardent liberals like Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.).


The lawsuit, which was brought by the Center for Constitutional Rights, says that ACORN has been subject to “heavily funded and orchestrated political campaigns.”


But this effort represents a complete reversal from ACORN, which emphasized to reporters and the public that the money it received from the federal government was not essential to its existence.

Now the group is taking a bold step to restore its federal funding by accusing Congress of violating the Constitution.


The court filing claims ACORN has been bruised badly by the legislation. It says it has had to lay off employees, close offices and “drastically” reduce services.


But the complaint also offers a small peak into and how much ACORN truly relies on the government for money. It cites FEMA pulling back roughly $1 million in funding for fire safety assessments after the legislation passed. The filing also shows that the organization lost out on a $780,000 EPA grant to educate poor communities about asthma and a separate grant to set up public computer centers for the poor in five cities.


And the suit highlights a few members of Congress as being especially critical of the group. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) is cited as having “(attacked) ACORN for years.” It quotes Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.) trying to tie President Barack Obama to the group. And it cites Republican Reps. Steve King (Iowa) and Todd Akin (Mo.) calling a Obama campaign poster in ACORN’s headquarters a “Jeremiah Wright moment.”

Successful cases proving a bill of attainder are rare in the United States, said Jonathan Turley, a constitutional law expert at George Washington University who successfully argued the last attainder case in 2003.


Turley said ACORN has a “legitimate claim” for asking a court to overturn the law, on the standing that barring the organization from receiving funds could be considered “legislative punishment.” Congress has equally compelling arguments, he said, but may have acted in haste because it did not hold hearings and create a complete record documenting ACORN’s misconduct.

“Congress may wish it had acted with a bit more deliberation,” Turley said.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29436.html


:dry:

[SuBe]

Acorn has more right to your money than you do sillies.

[Kelly]

I think the only thing that is going to help ACORN shed all of this corruption backlash is to do a HUGE, sweep of all of their offices, nationwide. Close down completely those offices that are being investigated. Fire anyone that even has a smell of corruption, and try and move on. I would also fire all of their top national people and start over.

Anything less than that will not do the trick...

[Paradyme]

ACORN Document Dump: California Voters, Prepare to Be ACORNed (http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/24/acorn-document-dump-california-voters-prepare-to-be-acorned/)

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/24/acorn-document-dump-california-voters-prepare-to-be-acorned/

ACORN Document Dump: Trashing a Person’s Credit History (http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/24/acorn-document-dump-trashing-a-persons-credit-history/)

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/24/acorn-document-dump-trashing-a-persons-credit-history/

ACORN OKLAHOMA Document Dump: The Oklahoma Power Plan (http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/24/acorn-oklahoma-document-dump-the-oklahoma-power-plan/)

http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/24/acorn-oklahoma-document-dump-the-oklahoma-power-plan/


Holy crap.

[Paradoxium]

The morons never heard of a paper shredder :doh:

[SentinelMind]

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RULES WHITE HOUSE CAN STILL CONTINUE TO FUND ACORN UNDER EXISTING CONTRACTS

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/us/politics/28acorn.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1259355860-u1P2DRmPrdFQwFuMP5+Gww

:dry:. Wow, this is shaping up to be the most ethical, efficient, and competent Justice Department ever. And you guys thought it couldn't get better after the whole ignoring voter intimidation caught on live camera in 2008, giving speeches to foriegn entities under FBI investigation, threatening to throw CIA agents under the bus, deciding to prosecute 9/11 war criminals as civil criminals, and admitting openly that Osama bin Laden under conditions may have to be read his rights. :dry:

[Marx]

If they are continuing with the contracts, then ACORN's actions must not have violated any terms of those contracts.

[Kelly]

JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RULES WHITE HOUSE CAN STILL CONTINUE TO FUND ACORN UNDER EXISTING CONTRACTS

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/28/us/politics/28acorn.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1259355860-u1P2DRmPrdFQwFuMP5+Gww

:dry:. Wow, this is shaping up to be the most ethical, efficient, and competent Justice Department ever. And you guys thought it couldn't get better after the whole ignoring voter intimidation caught on live camera in 2008, giving speeches to foriegn entities under FBI investigation, threatening to throw CIA agents under the bus, deciding to prosecute 9/11 war criminals as civil criminals, and admitting openly that Osama bin Laden under conditions may have to be read his rights. :dry:

I'm so surprised...

If they are continuing with the contracts, then ACORN's actions must not have violated any terms of those contracts.

I don't think that is necessarily true...it is becoming quite evident that this administration's right hand, has absolutely no idea what it's left hand is doing.

It would not surprise me AT ALL, that we find out down the line that many of these contracts are so tainted, and dirty that it will make our stomach's turn, AND even find out that the adminstration KNEW ABOUT THE DIRT...and still continued.

I'm not saying that Obama knows this, because as I said the right hand and left hand of this administration are not communicating very well these days, IMO.

[Marx]

OFFICIAL: ACORN NEAR BANKRUPTCY
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/20/us/politics/20acorn.html?hp

[Marx]

ACORN TO CLOSE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/22/acorn-community-organizing-group-to-close/?fbid=oFOlLbN3vj1

[Ocramed]

ACORN TO CLOSE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/03/22/acorn-community-organizing-group-to-close/?fbid=oFOlLbN3vj1

I wouldn't worry about these guys. What's left will be re-organized, especially since they got what they primarily want: Obama-care.

O.

[StorminNorman]

Hazah!

[VampElvis]

Wonderful - now they'll pull a Value-Jet and the general public won't know what's what.

[Kelly]

I wouldn't worry about these guys. What's left will be re-organized, especially since they got what they primarily want: Obama-care.

O.

That is exactly what is happening.....them closing is such BS, they aren't going anywhere, it will just be a name change.

I agree with the judge that said that pulling their Federal funds was not kosher, but they damn sure better be watched closer than their "change of name" predecessor.

[Marx]

That is exactly what is happening.....them closing is such BS, they aren't going anywhere, it will just be a name change.

I agree with the judge that said that pulling their Federal funds was not kosher, but they damn sure better be watched closer than their "change of name" predecessor.

More than likely.

[VampElvis]

Thought this was worth pointing out....

Charges reduced for ACORN 'pimp' filmmaker

Source:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/89401-charges-reduced-for-acorn-pimp-filmmaker
The Justice Department has reduced charges brought against James O'Keefe, a conservative activist, and his cohorts for breaking into the New Orleans office of Sen. Mary Landrieu (D).

O'Keefe, Joseph Basil, Stan Dai and Robert Flanagan, were charged with "one-count bill of information with entering real property of the United States under false pretenses," a misdemeanor charge.

The decision was made by the U.S. Attorney's office in the Eastern District of Louisiana. The four young men were originally charged with entering federal property under false pretenses with the intent of committing a felony and were arrested (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/78113-acorn-pimp-arrested-trying-to-tap-sen-landrieus-phone) by federal authorities in January.

O'Keefe is best known for posing as a pimp and filming members of the soon-to-be defunct community group ACORN undercover.


Dai and O'Keefe were accused of aiding and abetting Flanagan and Basel, who were caught dressed up as telephone company employees and were allegedly trying to interfere with the phone system.



O'Keefe later explained (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/78783-okeefe-says-he-just-wanted-to-embarrass-landrieu) the ploy as an attempt to embarrass Landrieu for allegedly ignoring telephone calls from constituents.



The filmmaker has always maintained that he was not trying to wiretap the senator's phones, as some media outlets reported at the time of his arrest.

(http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/89401-charges-reduced-for-acorn-pimp-filmmaker)

[Marx]

REPRESENTATIVE ISSA ISSUES REPORT CLAIMING THAT ACORN IS OPERATING UNDER OTHER NAMES
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/01/issa-releases-report-claiming-acorn-operates-different-names/

[Kelly]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WAY...... I'm shocked...

[Marx]

Yeah...it really shouldn't surprise anyone.

[Hobodeluxe]

Now that ACORN has been vindicated I hope Breitbart and O'Keefe get their pants sued off of them. There's plenty of groups out there ready to sue for those who lost their jobs due to the lies and deceptions of these smear merchants.

Quit makin stuff up (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#36155851)

[Hobodeluxe]

REPRESENTATIVE ISSA ISSUES REPORT CLAIMING THAT ACORN IS OPERATING UNDER OTHER NAMES
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/01/issa-releases-report-claiming-acorn-operates-different-names/


Kinda like Blackwater and AIG?

[Hobodeluxe]

I'm just going to leave this here. (http://www.alternet.org/news/147248/acorn_totally_vindicated_of_all_wrongdoing_--_what_was_that_%27scandal%27_all_about/?page=entire)

[Marx]

I'm just going to leave this here. (http://www.alternet.org/news/147248/acorn_totally_vindicated_of_all_wrongdoing_--_what_was_that_%27scandal%27_all_about/?page=entire)

An interesting turn of events.