Don Cheadle joins IRON MAN 2!!!

[[A]]

Don Cheadle is stepping in to replace Terrence Howard in "Iron Man 2," Marvel Studios' sequel to its summer blockbuster.

In the movie, Howard played Jim Rhodes, Tony Stark/Iron Man's best friend and future armor-clad hero War Machine. One scene featured Howard looking at a silver suit of armor and saying "Next time," a line that caused great delight for fans.

But there will be no next time for Howard.

Marvel had no comment, but sources close to the deal said negotiations with Howard fell through over financial differences, among other reasons. Marvel, which had wanted to work with Cheadle, then decided to take the role in another direction and approached the actor, who is shooting Antoine Fuqua's "Brooklyn's Finest" with Richard Gere and Ethan Hawke.

Rhodes is expected to play a larger part in the sequel, which is rumored to go beyond high-tech villains. Justin Theroux is writing the screenplay.

Jon Favreau is returning as director, and Robert Downey Jr. is expected back as billionaire industrialist Stark/Iron Man. Gwyneth Paltrow also is expected to be back as Stark's assistant, Pepper Potts.

Cheadle, repped by UTA, most recently starred in "Traitor," a thriller on which he was also a producer. He will next be seen in DreamWorks' "Hotel for Dogs."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ibc7ed676383467c2ef5b0b84b924a87b

[Gotham]

I'm in a state of shock. :eek:

[Octoberist]

omg...I love Don and all, but WTF happened here? There were never any signs for this to happen.

[Chewy]

What

[Ziggyman]

Well...That kinda sucks...I hate continuity problems from film to film...But this seems like it could work...Nice find!

[[A]]

Well...That kinda sucks...I hate continuity problems from film to film...But this seems like it could work...Nice find!
Yeah, I don't like casting changes either, but oh well :o

So, is Cheadle actually cheaper than Howard..? This world we live in! :funny:

[Ziggyman]

Maybe Howard hustled a little too much to get his flow!!!

[Octoberist]

Yeah, I don't like casting changes either, but oh well :o

So, is Cheadle actually cheaper than Howard..? This world we live in! :funny:

Weird huh?

Don is (to me) a better known actor than Howard. This only hurts Howard in the long run..(kinda)

[[A]]

Acting-wise, yes, Cheadle is the man

[Ziggyman]

I don't really like this change...But for the movie it could work...

[Chewy]

Maybe Favreau should go back and add Cheadle to IRON MAN, George Lucas style :hehe:

And my hope that Marvel would pursue Norton for AVENGERS (for continuity's sake) just died.

[[A]]

And my hope that Marvel would pursue Norton for AVENGERS (for continuity's sake) just died.
Never thought about it (well, these news been out for 2 seconds) but.. yeah.. now that you mention it.. :down

[Lighthouse]

Really like Cheadle, but I really don't see him as Jim Rhodes. I bet the movie will still be great, but this really sucks.

[Sawyer]

LAAAAAAAAME.

Howard kicked ass.

[Kokomo29]

I am in a total state of shock... but pretty intrigued, and a little excited. This could be pretty cool, actually.

[Mister J]

Dame shame. Judging from interviews, Howard seemed to have a good understanding on the character for the sequel(s). IIRC, he had an existing familiarity with Rhodey from the books. I'm surprised it came to this.

I think Cheadle ranks higher on the acting scale, but I was interested in seeing what Howard could do with the role.

[Superman]

I like Cheadle, He's a great actor, But he's so wrong for this part. :csad:

[Gamma Ray]

Lame. Hate when they do this crap.

[Webhead2006]

Total shock from me too, never heard any problems with howard and marvel. I too hate when these things happen in hero films. Hopefully cheadle will do well in the role and is not to much of a change from how howard did the role in im. As for norton who knows what is going to happen with him/marvel come avengers time. If hulk is villain for that maybe they will only need norton to do a few scenes as bruce and he will return.

[<borkis>]

why.... Why..... WHY are they doing this??

I love Don Cheadle and all, but recasting a part is the death-knell of movie making. How about Marvel puts in a little more effort to negotiate with Terrence Howard rather than just recast the role?

The Dark Knight only got away with it because no-one liked Katie Holmes in the first place, and there was so much hype around Ledger that they could have literally used a mannequin for Rachael Dawes and no one would have liked the movie any less.

[BrollySupersj]

I always thought Keith David would have made a good War Machine...but, we'll see how this turns out.

[copywrite]

I like this even though it kind of screws with continuity. Cheadle is a better actor.

[spideyboy_1111]

gah thats horrible news..... :( Rhodey he is not.

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah, I don't like casting changes either, but oh well :o

So, is Cheadle actually cheaper than Howard..? This world we live in! :funny:

Perhaps....I think Cheadle is the better actor personally. Maybe Howard saw how successful the first film was, knew his role would increase and demanded some outrageous number. I wouldn't be surprised if Cheadle came in right around the same scale as Howard.

[JustABill]

Amazing actor, but Howard was so much more like Rhodey.

[Kokomo29]

I know a lot of people are gonna get mad at me for this, but I really like this idea of Cheadle playing Rhodey. Just imagine the promo photos with Downey Jr. and Cheadle side-by-side. How awesome is that gonna be?! I will admit that I am sad to see Howard go, but I don't think we should close our minds to Cheadle quite yet.

[DieSmiling]

This totally sucks. Like others, I like Cheadle, but I hate continuity screw ups... And Howard is definitely more "Rhodey" IMHO...

[Double Down]

Marvel really looks cheap. They tried to lowball Favreau and now this. Not good.

[Crook]

Oh my, this is very disappointing. I think I can speak for everyone when we all went giggly as Terrence said "...next time baby!". The guy was so damn good for the part, and I eagerly anticipated what would come next.

Cheadle is a great actor and all, but I don't see him fitting particularly well here. I f'n hate recasts. :down

[protoctista]

Some serious what-the-f^ckage going on here.

[Moviefan2k4]

I love Don Cheadle and all, but recasting a part is the death-knell of movie making.Agreed. For example, the "Back to the Future" sequels were great and all, but Claudia Wells was so much better than Elisabeth Shue. I hate it when studios recast people, especially main and secondary actors.

How about Marvel puts in a little more effort to negotiate with Terrence Howard rather than just recast the role?I definitely vote "yes" on this one.:D

The Dark Knight only got away with it because no-one liked Katie Holmes in the first place...I actually liked Katie in "Batman Begins"; i thought she and Christian Bale had great on-screen chemistry. But that was the "pre-Scientology" version.:(

...there was so much hype around Ledger that they could have literally used a mannequin for Rachael Dawes and no one would have liked the movie any less.I wouldn't take it that far. Like many, I really enjoyed Ledger's Joker, but I also liked Maggie as Rachel; she brought real authority to the role. I just wish they'd given her more to work with.

[Saint]

Cheadle is a fine actor, but recasting never inspires confidence. First the studio puts down a two-year release date when Favreau (understandably) wants three, then they don't want to pay up for Favreau because they think he isn't critical, and now this. I hope these hiccups are not indicative of (or do not evolve into) larger problems with the film.

[StylishHokie21]

What went wrong here? I like Cheadle, but I'm not so sure about this.

[LostSon88]

Gosh darn it. I HATE RECASTS!!! :cmad:

This is almost as bad as if they were to recast RDJ...

I think Cheadle's a great actor but...I just can't see him as Rhodey.

What the heck happened? I thought everyone was locked down for the sequel?! :csad:

[Rac]

I got no problem with this. Never liked Howard anyway. Whiney greedy bastard!

[Hiruu]

Cheadle is the superior actor and performer, imho, and had he gotten the role in the first place...he would have been great for it...but from a continuity perspective, this is near disaster. WTF can't they figure out a way to make some peace, so that everybody gets a piece. I'm pissed at both Howard and Marvel for this bull$h!t...this is nonsense and a slap in the face of the fans. Howard's performance in IM as great, and he would have been better in this movie...part of it is for fans...we don't like change from what's already working...this sucks! There's some level of greed here somewhere...TDK has Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman. etc etc etc....And evidently, they are compensated acceptable...why can't Marvel and Howard had reached an agreement?

[odiin]

The worst thing about this is that it sets a precedent. Sure, now it's Rhodey being recast, but who's to say that by the time the Avengers film roles around we won't be seeing Tom Cruise as Iron Man and Adrien Brody as Bruce Banner?

[LostSon88]

But you can tell how much he loved playing Rhodey.

I am getting more and more wary of Marvel and the way they're doing business. After the post-Iron Man fiasco, with not immediately resigning Faverau, the 2-year timeframe for part II, stiffing Howard on the money (apparently).

One hit movie and all the sudden they think they're invincible.

:whatever:

[Docker2.0]

I got no problem with this. Never liked Howard anyway. Whiney greedy bastard!

Eh. I actually like Howard but for him to hold out for more money, how the heck can some people blame Marvel for this? :huh: They actually got a better actor, possibly for the same price. I can't see money being the reason becuase you don't go from Xbox360 to PS3 just for the heck of it. There has to be more to the story.

[Yellow Cyclone]

Marvel really looks cheap. They tried to lowball Favreau and now this. Not good.


seriously now.

marvel put out the highest grossing movie of the summer, obviously after TDK

they're RAKING in cash. and then this happens?

first the whole hulk/norton thing, then the whole favreau/sequel timing thing, then THIS?

i get the hulk thing, it sucked and was stupid, but i understand the studio logic behind it (even though they were 100% wrong)

sequel timing is also a 'normal' thing. studio gets franchise, studio wants to milk franchise, etc...no biggie. standard politics

but this? howard couldn't have been asking for that much more. i mean he's not a pitt, cruise, hanks, dicaprio, etc...i'm really, REALLY curious as to what RDJ and favreau think, especially favs.

marvel has so much potential, and they're being such idiots about this.

[odiin]

seriously now.

marvel put out the highest grossing movie of the summer, obviously after TDK

they're RAKING in cash. and then this happens?

first the whole hulk/norton thing, then the whole favreau/sequel timing thing, then THIS?

i get the hulk thing, it sucked and was stupid, but i understand the studio logic behind it (even though they were 100% wrong)

sequel timing is also a 'normal' thing. studio gets franchise, studio wants to milk franchise, etc...no biggie. standard politics

but this? howard couldn't have been asking for that much more. i mean he's not a pitt, cruise, hanks, dicaprio, etc...i'm really, REALLY curious as to what RDJ and favreau think, especially favs.

marvel has so much potential, and they're being such idiots about this.

Seriously. I'd rather just not have Rhodey at all in the next movie and hope that they come to their senses by IM3 or Avengers so that Howard can return. That is of course nothing against Don Cheadle, he's an awesome actor, give him Black Panther or something, but Rhodey is Howard's.

[Franklin Richards]

Bah. Cheadle is an upgrade. Quit sweating it. And if any Batfan comes in here saying it's a bad call I'm going to convert to Scientology.


Don't try it. I'll do it, mister.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[bapi]

I never was a fan of Howard so it'!s not bad for me. And Cheadle is a really good actor but I'd choose somebody like Mekhi Phifer.

[spideyboy_1111]

well if it was anyone, it was marvels fault for not signing Howard in a legally binding contract for 3 movies... that means he would have agreed to the same pay for all 3, and unless he negotiated with them for a higher price, he'd still be binded to the movie legally even if they didnt give it to him.

[[A]]

Perhaps....I think Cheadle is the better actor personally. Maybe Howard saw how successful the first film was, knew his role would increase and demanded some outrageous number. I wouldn't be surprised if Cheadle came in right around the same scale as Howard.

If true, this is a terrible movie for Howard to make. Sure, the first one was a hit and he even dreamt of a War Machine spin-off, but come on.. Cheadle's a better actor, yeah, but he's always supporting cast, just like Howard. I can see Howard kicking himself over it for years to come..

[odiin]

Bah. Cheadle is an upgrade. Quit sweating it. And if any Batfan comes in here saying it's a bad call I'm going to convert to Scientology.


Don't try it. I'll do it, mister.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

Yeah, and you could find a lot of actors out there who are better than RDJ but that doesn't mean they would fit Iron Man like he does.

[[A]]

Article from the SHH:

Don Cheadle is stepping in to replace Terrence Howard in Marvel Studios' Iron Man 2, says The Hollywood Reporter.

In the first film, Howard played Col. James 'Rhodey' Rhodes, Tony Stark/Iron Man's best friend and future armor-clad hero War Machine.

The trade says Marvel had no comment, but sources close to the deal said negotiations with Howard fell through over financial differences, among other reasons.

Marvel, which had wanted to work with Cheadle, then decided to take the role in another direction and approached the actor, who is shooting Antoine Fuqua's Brooklyn's Finest.

Justin Theroux is writing the screenplay for Iron Man 2, coming to theaters on May 7, 2010. Jon Favreau is returning as director, and Robert Downey Jr. is expected back as Stark/Iron Man. Gwyneth Paltrow also is expected to be back as Pepper Potts.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/ironmannews.php?id=7729

Article from CHUD:

Terrence Howard is out and Don Cheadle is in - in the War Machine armor, that is. Howard will not be reprising his role as James "Rhodey" Rhodes in Iron Man 2; he's being replaced with Cheadle... despite the fact that Robert Downey Jr proved in Tropic Thunder that he could totally play the role!

Sources say that Howard is out because negotiations fell apart over money. I understand that the guy wanted more dough, and he certainly deserves it, but what he really needed was the franchise. Rhodey's role is expected to be expanded in the sequel, with him donning his own suit of armor and taking a bigger part of the action. Howard's been perpetually on the verge of being big since his massive breakthrough in Hustle & Flow, and this latest bump in the road makes me worried that the actor will never ascend to the level where he belongs.

In the meantime I'm interested in seeing what Cheadle brings to the role. It seems obvious that the very nature of the relationship between Stark and Rhodes will be different simply because Cheadle has such a different style than Howard.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/16634/1/DON-CHEADLE-IS-A-WAR-MACHINE/Page1.html

[LostSon88]

Bah. Cheadle is an upgrade. Quit sweating it. And if any Batfan comes in here saying it's a bad call I'm going to convert to Scientology.


Don't try it. I'll do it, mister.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

You don't have to be a Batfan to be upset about this.

This would be the equivalent of a recast of Gary Oldman as Gordon.

This sucks.

[Franklin Richards]

I don't think you realize the importance of Rachel Dawes in the first movie. She was the romantic lead. She had more scenes than Gordon or Scarecrow.

That's a big character and no one seemed to mind.


No one will care when they see Cheadle.


:doom: :doom: :doom:

[tamron]

I wasn't big on Howard when he was first cast as Rhodey (I felt he wasn't tough enough). However, his enthusiasm for the role eventually won me over. And honestly, film Rhodey was not the hardass Marine I thought/hoped he would be. Howard fit the profile that the script called for very well.

IMHO, Don Cheadle is a superior actor to Howard, and given the character of Rhodey as defined in IM, I think he can not only nail it, but improve upon it.

But re-casting is never a good sign, imho. This, along with the Favreau and Norton situations, officially has me worried that Marvel has bitten off more than they can chew with this aggressive crossover project and are cutting corners just to rush the product to market.

[[A]]

That's a big character and no one seemed to mind.
Well, everyone hated Holmes. That's a fact (sort of, :oldrazz:)

[jamesjuhn]

I don't really favour recasts and this is really disappointing.

Oh well, I'm just hoping he really is good in the role.

[spideyboy_1111]

Well, everyone hated Holmes. That's a fact (sort of, :oldrazz:)

i didnt find anything wrong with holmes, more people hated the made up character she portrayed then actually holmes herself. The difference was with maggie, we knew we were still getting Rachel.. and we'd rather have Maggie then Holmes, but for continuity sake, it was a bit annoying, at least for me.

[Halcohol]

I'm not too worried about this. There are far more important things that will still remain awesome in the sequel. Like, for instance, the fact that it's an IRON MAN movie. It does seem strange that Howard didn't come through... I thought all 3 of the leads were signed for the second movie? :confused:

[Hiruu]

I'm no great fan of Howard, but I think they should have agreed to some acceptable conclusion. Everybody wants to get more dough...but come on Terrence...YOU weren't the star of the film, and if he was smart, he would have come to an acceptable deal for IM2, gotten War Machine integrated, then played a little hard ball...while Marvel is getting too cocky too fast...so did Howard, and the fans paid!

[Holiday]

I'm don't know who to be more pissed at; Marvel for being greedy or Howard for the same reason. I dunno, Howard saw how much the first Iron Man made. I can see why he would want more money.

I am excited they casted Cheadle though. He's a great actor and I think he'll do a good job. And once we start watching the movie I think we'll forget about the recast.

[MSwift]

I love Don Cheadle, but this bums me out a bit because I really loved Howard for Rhodey.

bummer

[CaptainClown]

Like many people on here. I like Cheadle, but WHAT THE FUNKIN WAGNELS!.

[[A]]

I'd say we're 70% against recast, 28% for, and 2% undecided (that'd be me :woot:)

[CaptainClown]

I mean its not even a really bad recast (though I don't think Don looks like Rhodes) It still is like wtf

[[A]]

Big huge WTF, yeah

[Hiruu]

I'd say we're 70% against recast, 28% for, and 2% undecided (that'd be me :woot:)

I'm against a recast, but I'm glad as heck it's Cheadle. Problem is...we don't know the details, and I'm sure nobody is going to say anything. Here's the thing of it...Howard was SUPPOSE to be signed...so maybe we wanted a bigger check...bigger than a supporting role...since as War Machine...it would be a pseudo starting role. You've gotta figure Howard got paid millions for the role...so I'm not going to blast Marvel...unless somebody wants to explain how talks failed. Cheadle is no slouch, so it's not like he's desperate for the role, so Marvel has to be paying him well.

[[A]]

^Millions to Howard..?

[count_nickula]

Time for my 2cents.
Howard was good, I enjoyed his drunken scene on the jet... But I thought he wasn't very tough either. Maybe that was just time biding on their part?
I love Don Cheadle (british accent in the Ocean's flicks aside) and think this could be a good thing.
But the precedent it is setting is worrying, I really hope this situation just COULD NOT be worked out. At all. Last resort.
How dumb a move for howard to make though? More money? Kids are going to be dressing up as him next year! War Machine is going to be really popular, this would be the way to EARN the big bucks, Howard.

Anyway, as long as Downey Jr is in and Favs directs I'm happy.

Nx

[[A]]

..from /film:

Marvel Studios has hired Don Cheadle to replace Terrence Howard in the upcoming Iron Man sequel. Cheadle will play Jim Rhodes, Tony Stark’s best friend and future War Machine. Director Jon Favreau has made numerous hints that War Machine may play a part in the second film. The Hollywood Reporter’s sources claim it was a conflict due to financial differences. Earlier this year it was widely speculated that Marvel was trying to low ball Favreau with an offer not much higher than his initial payday for the first film. It is not unusual for salaries to double for a sequel, especially when the first film outperformed to the level that Iron Man had. But from what I understand, Marvel believes the superhero characters themselves are the real stars, and many believe they are being very thrifty in their negotiations for their future projects.

^^check the text in bold

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/10/13/don-cheadle-replaces-terrance-howard-in-iron-man-2/

[CaptainClown]

well marvel is wrong...

[Saint]

..from /film:



^^check the text in bold

http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/10/13/don-cheadle-replaces-terrance-howard-in-iron-man-2/

Hn. Foolish.

[Hiruu]

^Millions to Howard..?

I can't imagine hime making less than a million for the film. Tobey made like $7-8 million for Spiderman, and he was far more of an unknown then Howard...sure...starring vice supporting, but Howard had to clock about $1-2 million...maybe he wanted $5-6 mil and Marvel was bulking. While not the starring role, he had amajor supporting role, with future character expansion, so I'm sure Marvel wasn't like...we'll pay you less. My point is...we don't know...and it's both Marvel and Howard's responsibility to come to some kinda agreement.

[jamesjuhn]

Thing is, to me Rachel's role in TDK never seemed too important compared to the other major supporting characters in the film (such as James Gordon, Alfred, Lucius), so I didn't mind too much about the recast although it was a little bit annoying.

But I think Rhody's role in IM is equivalent to TDK's major characters like Gordon and Alfred (who are Batman's confidantes), being Tony's best friend and someone who he could confide in(other than Pepper that is).

So this news really is a shame, but what's already done is done. so like they say - no use crying over spilt milk, we'll just have to move on.

[[A]]

Thing is, to me Rachel's role in TDK never seemed too important compared to the other major supporting characters in the film (such as James Gordon, Alfred, Lucius), so I didn't mind too much about the recast although it was a little bit annoying.

But I think Rhody's role in IM is equivalent to TDK's major characters like Gordon and Alfred (who are Batman's confidantes), being Tony's best friend and someone who he could confide in(other than Pepper that is).

^Agreed

So this news really is a shame, but what's already done is done. so like they say - no use crying over spilt milk, we'll just have to move on.

But it's fun! :woot: Like the Branagh thing, last week :oldrazz:

[chamber-music]

Time for my 2cents.
Howard was good, I enjoyed his drunken scene on the jet... But I thought he wasn't very tough either. Maybe that was just time biding on their part?
I love Don Cheadle (british accent in the Ocean's flicks aside) and think this could be a good thing.
But the precedent it is setting is worrying, I really hope this situation just COULD NOT be worked out. At all. Last resort.
How dumb a move for howard to make though? More money? Kids are going to be dressing up as him next year! War Machine is going to be really popular, this would be the way to EARN the big bucks, Howard.

Anyway, as long as Downey Jr is in and Favs directs I'm happy.

Nx

Just thinking about Cheadles terrible Oceans accent gives me chills. Cheadle will always wills friend in Fresh Prince Of Bel Air to me :woot:

[JokerLedger]

Can you imagine Cheadle's sort-of high pitched voice coming from the badass armor that will be War Machine? I'm intrigued.....

[[A]]

Howard had (has) an annoying voice too

[CaptainClown]

ya howards voice in iron man was kind of annoying

[ultimatefan]

I don´t have a big problem with recasting - it´s still a movie, they´re actors playing parts, not the actual characters, okay? - and Don Cheadle is sure a fine actor, even though I didn´t have a problem with Howard.

But I don´t like the idea that Marvel is being cheap with the talent. If you think it was the the huge popularity of Iron Man that made the movie such a smash, you´re kidding yourselves. It was the combination of all the talent that worked in the movie, including Favreay, RDJ, etc. In theory, FF and Hulk are much more popular comics franchises than IM, and their movies never came even close to IM, simply cuz they didn´t have quite the right people to pull them off.

[Hiruu]

Just thinking about Cheadles terrible Oceans accent gives me chills. Cheadle will always wills friend in Fresh Prince Of Bel Air to me :woot:

ROFLOL...you are freaking kidding me right...if that's what ur image of him of an actor is...you evidently haven't seen much of what he's done. The guy is a stunning actor...probably one of the top performers in Hollywood, imho.

You're not going to get any arguement from me about the wrongness of changing the actor in the role, but certianly not that Cheadle isn't top shelf.

[chamber-music]

I've seen lots of Cheadles movies, I didn't mean thats the sum of his acting talent just thats one of my favourite of his roles

[zeptron]

Next time..."

NOT!!!

[cosmicherosa]

I'm excited about it. I don't like switching actors mid-series, but I'll live. I wanna see some good PS's of him in the war machine suit.

[Rocker22]

Wowzers. I'm sorta pissed off about this right now. I won't care if Cheadle does a good job though.

[spider-neil]

cheadle is a great actor but howard IS JR.
why the heck didn't they lock down the principle actors for the sequels like the spider-man actors.

[spider-neil]

i didnt find anything wrong with holmes, more people hated the made up character she portrayed then actually holmes herself. The difference was with maggie, we knew we were still getting Rachel.. and we'd rather have Maggie then Holmes, but for continuity sake, it was a bit annoying, at least for me.


absolutely no question would rachel daws getting blown to kingdom come and batman mourning her would have carried more weight if holmes had played the role. no question.

[Casius--J]

Oh no this can't be true, no I don't want to believe it!

Don is a great actor but i hate replacements, Maggie's in TDK wasnt so bad for me because looks wise I dont think her and Kate look vastly different. Where as with Don and Howard they look NOTHING alike!! Arghhh

Please Mr. Favreau confirm that this false, pleeeaaassseee!!

[Venom]

I'm very disappointed, because I loved Howard's Rhodes. How could Marvel be so dumb not to bind him into a contract for part 2

[maveholic31]

"maybe next time"

... looks like that won't happen :(

bah, i wonder how much Howard wanted for the next one anyway

[FaT_tONle]

Amazing... recasts happen when you least expect it...

Maybe Favreau should go back and add Cheadle to IRON MAN, George Lucas style



And my hope that Marvel would pursue Norton for AVENGERS (for continuity's sake) just died.


ROFL... hit it right on the head.... that is your second recast for Marvel studios in a major role no doubt...

[maveholic31]

absolutely no question would rachel daws getting blown to kingdom come and batman mourning her would have carried more weight if holmes had played the role. no question.

lol no it wouldn't have, no one in the batman universe cared for that character. She could've been played by anyone and it wouldn't have mattered. Rachel Dawes = annoying brat period. The only weak spot of Begins and TDK that Nolan inserted.. Holmes was pure crap though

[marvel001]

they could have at least got someone that looked similar to howard, this is so dumb that they did that

[Controverse]

Is this just a rumor or an actual development. Either way, it sucks for continuity but Cheadle is a better actor than Howard.

[[A]]

Is this just a rumor or an actual development. Either way, it sucks for continuity but Cheadle is a better actor than Howard.

Read the article.

[bunk]

I was actually disappointed with Howard's performance, so in that sense I look forward to Cheadle stepping in. I really hate recasting though. Hate it, hate. It also seems like Howard would've had a better chance of carrying a possible War Machine solo movie.

[CaptainClown]

Ya I think Howard was kind of weak in the role, but ya I don't like therecasting.

[CaptainStacy]

Marvel really looks cheap. They tried to lowball Favreau and now this. Not good.

Indeed. Plus; the way they, a brand new independent studio, fought with an expierienced actor like Norton over on the Hulk movie, is just plain ridiculous. :down

[CaptainStacy]

Yeah, and you could find a lot of actors out there who are better than RDJ but that doesn't mean they would fit Iron Man like he does.

Exactly.

[batman44]

Wow, this is surprising.

[CaptainClown]

I am still kind of WTF about this. I really really like Don Cheadle but I mean that i sjust some random ass casting. It was like they went down a list of african-american actors and said DON CHEADLE! HIM WE NEED HIM! Hell i would hate to say it but Jamie Fox is more appropriate for the role visually. It would be like casting Jack Nicholson for Alfred in batman. Good actor just not quite the role for him.

[jrd550]

typical Marvel, they're so damn cheap...

[JP]

Why did I have to wake up to such terrible news?!? :(

[The Chris]

I'm a big Don Cheadle fan but damn, I wanted to see Terrance as War Machine. Especially after that next time baby line.

[Hiruu]

I've seen lots of Cheadles movies, I didn't mean thats the sum of his acting talent just thats one of my favourite of his roles

Oh...sry...hehe.

[CaptainClown]

Terrance looked the part of JR also. It is hard to imagine Cheadle as Jimmy

[bunk]

Well at least they didn't opt for 50 Cent. There is always that.

[CaptainClown]

Well at least they didn't opt for 50 Cent. There is always that.
I am going to take them down tony...or DIE TRYIN

[bunk]

I am going to take them down tony...or DIE TRYIN

Lol, can you imagine seeing his stupid face inside the helmet? His HUD with just be targeting everyone's jewelery and random women.

[CaptainClown]

"tony dere are lights going on in my helmet! This reminds me of being in Da club....or DIE TRYIN"

[FaT_tONle]

It's funny how no one expected Rachel Dawes to be back for TDK ESPECIALLY if the role were recast... evryone expected Terrance Howard to be back... that's what makes these recasts so damn frustrating... because it's so suprising... it's funny how everyone now (myself included) says Norton won't return as Hulk in Avengers... watch them recast RDJ and bring back Norton a few years from now for Avengers... that's just the way it goes in this business.

[Iron_Stark]

That sucks, I liked Howard. Ah well, Don Cheto is a great actor anyway.

[Milkman95]

Disappointing, but not the end of the world. Cheadle is the better actor IMO.

Even though he doesn't look the part, he'll do fine. This is nowhere near the Katie/Maggie re-casting, Rhodes is a bigger part BY FAR. Like someone said earlier, it would be equal to re-casting Oldman as Gordon.

Let's wait and see how Cheadle does first, shall we?

[Warhammer]

I hate recasts, especially for huge hit films that everyone has seen. However, there is a plus to this, because if there was anything wrong with Iron Man, it was Terrence Howard as Rhodes. Maybe Howard was told to act the way he did, or maybe not, but he sure as hell was not the tough ass Rhodes from the comics. Not only did he seem a bit punk-ish, but he did not have enough bass in his voice.

Do not get me wrong, Terrence Howard is a fantastic actor, but he was seriously more tough in Big Momma's House than in Iron Man. I hate recasts, but when the successor is a superior actor, it eases the pain. Go ahead, Don Cheadle.

:up:

[CaptainClown]

oldman is irreplaceable. They would have not made TDK if oldman was not on board..probably not but ya.

[bunk]

"tony dere are lights going on in my helmet! This reminds me of being in Da club....or DIE TRYIN"

Lol jesus... well I feel better now, it could be worse.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3641/doncheadlelz3.jpg

[CaptainClown]

Ya I can see Cheadle doing it, though he doesn't seem like the type of guy who would deck out his armor with gattling guns, missile launchers etc. etc.

[Brian Braddock]

Just seen the news; much like everyone else's reaction, mine was like 'WTF???!!!'

For the sake of continuity, re-casts to such important characters are hardly ever good; it's normally a fun thing to see an actor evolve a role over the course over a succession of films. Obviously, now we won't get to see that.

It wouldve been nice to see Howard in some armor.

However, I'd be lying If I said that I wasnt enthusiastic about seeing Cheadle's Rhodey alongside RDJ's Tony.

I have a lot of time for Cheadle and he is more of a 'marquee' name.

[bunk]

Did anybody see 'Traitor'? It looked like a rental to me.

[donk70]

i like cheadle, he's a great actor, but he's so wrong for this part. :csad:
qft

[Milkman95]

I hate recasts, especially for huge hit films that everyone has seen. However, there is a plus to this, because if there was anything wrong with Iron Man, it was Terrence Howard as Rhodes. Maybe Howard was told to act the way he did, or maybe not, but he sure as hell was not the tough ass Rhodes from the comics. Not only did he seem a bit punk-ish, but he did not have enough bass in his voice.

Do not get me wrong, Terrence Howard is a fantastic actor, but he was seriously more tough in Big Momma's House than in Iron Man. I hate recasts, but when the successor is a superior actor, it eases the pain. Go ahead, Don Cheadle.

:up:

Agree with most of this - Howard's voice when he came in the house looking for Tony was very feminine - "Tony!!, Tony!!" came off very light, and I'm sure most can agree with that.

Cheadle is the better actor, but physically they could have went with Cuba Gooding Jr or Wesley Snipes just as easy I think.

[CaptainClown]

Snipes is in jail whoopin ass!

but seriously, I do think there are actors out there who fit the build better then Cheadle. I would have loved Cheadle in any other role though. The Warmachine armor doesn't seem to fit Cheadle at all though.

[Angel_Faerie]

This sucks. I liked Terrence Howard as Rhody. I was getting really excited for the prospect of seeing him in War Machine armor in a future movie. Now that won't happen. Terrence is probably upset as well. He seemed to really understand the character and seemed to really enjoy playing him. Don Cheadle's a good actor, though, so we'll see how this ends up.

[Compi716]

I'm really not a fan of recasting, as much as I like Cheadle. Howard was fine, and he fit the role perfectly. Things like this never work. I mean, look at Rachel in Batman Begins/The Dark Knight.

Oh wait...

[scifiwolf]

It's so odd to wake up to this news today. I was thinking about this just the other week, and was thinking that, in the event of a recast, the best choice would be Cuba Gooding Jr. I don't mean to take anything away from Don, but I just don't see him in the role. However, since the deal is done, I guess we'll all have to cope with it.

[GL1]

This is disappointing. I liked Howard as Rhodes as well... and I just like continuity in franchises in general.

That said, Cheadle is the bomb. He'll knock it out of the park, even though he doesn't seem to fit the part now.

[Paradyme]

I liked Howard as Rhodes but I think Cheadle can pull it off.

[the_icon_007]

I hate recasts, especially for huge hit films that everyone has seen. However, there is a plus to this, because if there was anything wrong with Iron Man, it was Terrence Howard as Rhodes. Maybe Howard was told to act the way he did, or maybe not, but he sure as hell was not the tough ass Rhodes from the comics. Not only did he seem a bit punk-ish, but he did not have enough bass in his voice.

Do not get me wrong, Terrence Howard is a fantastic actor, but he was seriously more tough in Big Momma's House than in Iron Man. I hate recasts, but when the successor is a superior actor, it eases the pain. Go ahead, Don Cheadle.

:up:

:applaud

First, if we're staying 'true to the source material' then Cheadle is better already. A dark skinned, highly intelligent military man who was the same size as Tony Stark.

Howard was far taller than RDJ, how was he supposed to fit in the Mark III armor? Also, like Warhammer, I have never, ever cared for Howard as Rhodes. Sure, he did a decent job, but he always seems so "soft" He never seemed to have that bravado that a tried and true soldier would have. To me, he'll always be that pimp from 'Hustle and Flow'.

And for those who say that this is the first sign of a bad sequel, you're insane. This is the first sign of an INCREDIBLE sequel! This is the 'Daniel Craig Replaces Bosnan' sort of headline. This sequel is about to be darker and deal with some issues that have some real weight. Demon in a Bottle is about to get the serious actors it deserves. Cheadle will blow this so far out of the water that you crying fanboys will leave the theater saying, "Who was that first guy again? He sucked!"

I can guarantee that Favreau and RDJ are excited about this. This is a real cast of A-Listers now! I can already see the on-screen dynamics between RDJ and Cheadle being incredible.

Oh, for those who think Cheadle needs to buff up, check out "Traitor".

[He-Man]

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2007/0705/a_br10qcheadle_0528.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/216773-133062-war-machine_super.jpg

Kind of disappointed that TH won't be back but I have no worries that Cheadle can pull it off.

[CaptainClown]

cool comparison.

[NoirMan82]

I'm always disappointed when an actor can't return for a role, but honestly, this is a trade up in my book. I like Terrence Howard, but Don Cheadle is a better actor. Not by a whole lot, but better. I doesn't bother me that Marvel went for a more affordable actor. Marvel is a very young movie studio and has to keep a eye on their bottom line at all times. I can't blame them for crunching numbers. Better stingy than out of business.

[That-Guy]

I don't know what the reasoning for this was, but Cheadle is one of the greatest actors of our time, so I'm cool with it. Howard is good too, but I would still give the edge to Cheadle.

[Symbiotic]

*sigh* I liked Terrence. Eh, Cheadle ain't bad though.

[Dotten]

In these times one must be cheap. Don Cheadle coming at a cheaper price then Howard, this is a strange world. Sucks due to continuity, but its not like they are replacing the main star himself ...

[Super-Bats]

hmmm.....this is certainly interesting news.....

One thing that I felt about Howard's performance as Rhodes was that it was kind of "subdued." Maybe it was Howard's voice, but he just felt a bit subdued in his performance......

which is odd......because Cheadle strikes me as more of a "subdued" actor........that is, he strikes me as more of an "actor's actor" or drama actor......not as an "action actor."

for Rhodes, I would think of that guy who played Spawn in the live action movie ( wasn't he also briefly in TDK? ). That guy strikes me as more of a "tough guy" than either Howards or Cheadle......

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Cheadle is a good actor and all, but Howard was just a better fit for Rhodey/War Machine IMO. Plus I REALLY hate re-casts.

[Darknightnomis]

I'm a big Don Cheadle fan but damn, I wanted to see Terrance as War Machine. Especially after that next time baby line.

Ditto.

Plus the chemistry he had with RDjr. was great.

[I Am The Knight]

I'd rather they kept Howard. Sure, I hated his voice, but that's OK. I guess Cheadle will do.

[Stringer]

Ugh, they shouldve just payed him, he deserves it. Its not like he's Katie Holmes or someone like that. Cheadle, as great as he is, doesnt strike me as someone who can play WM.

[goh78]

But you can tell how much he loved playing Rhodey.

I am getting more and more wary of Marvel and the way they're doing business. After the post-Iron Man fiasco, with not immediately resigning Faverau, the 2-year timeframe for part II, stiffing Howard on the money (apparently).

One hit movie and all the sudden they think they're invincible.

:whatever:

A.) You don't know what the deal with Favreau was- maybe he was holding out for more money, maybe it wasn't reported immediately, etc.

B.) The majority of sequels are two years- Batman, Spiderman, all of them, pretty much. If it was anything less, people would be complaining it was rushed.

C.) Maybe Howard was asking for too much. Fact is we don't know.

So maybe everyone should calm down and quit *****ing about Marvel because, the fact is, they brought us some great movies last summer, and are doing the Avengers and combing the universes, which I thought was what most fans wanted.

[louiebling$]

To Me Howard was Rhodey.... DC is an Awesome actor but he justy isn't Rhodey

[Double Down]

From syndicated movie columnist Roger Moore:

Big Movie-Smart Move; Cheadle to replace Howard in Iron Man 2

Watching Iron Man last summer, you couldn't help but feel there was the occasional weak spot in the cast. Good as he always is, Jeff Bridges didn't seem quite right as the uber villain. And Terrence Howard, despite having the most obvious "Here's where the sequel will go" lines, seemed awfully soft for his military man role. You got the feeling that super sensitive Howard was not going to be the best choice to navigate the broad, bigger-than-life path that his character, James "Rhodey" Rhodes is to take in future Iron Man movies. Don Cheadle, a far edgier player, will take over the role in Iron Man 2.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Howard is a fool if he was asking for too much money. Marvel is a fool if they didn't want to pay fair wages. It's probably a little from colum A and B.

I'm shocked at this news, Howard seemed so excited. Gosh, I don't really know how to feel because Howard wasn't bad enough for to be Holmes'd so I'm not jumping up and down about this. This will be a distraction and was not needed like it was in TDK...still I've never been in love with Howard and he was kinda the weakest link. Cheadle is an upgrade but I didn't want this to happen.

[Hypestyle]

mixed reaction from me.. like both actors, but I wanted Howard to continue on, he seemed amped to continue the franchise.. if it was just a money thing I don't see how it could fall apart so easily.. in past interviews, Howard expressed that he even didn't want to "rush" his transformation into War Machine but to do it gradually.. I think that Howard's agents made a mistake, he should fire them.. hopefully he'll come back in another marvel film.. I would have liked to see Cheadle play something like Brother Voodoo in a Black Panther movie..

[Double Down]

At least they didn't replace him with Tommy Lee Jones, right Billy Dee?

[Warhammer]

To Me Howard was Rhodey.... DC is an Awesome actor but he justy isn't Rhodey

Is that really the truth? Was Terrence Howard's performance as Rhodes in Iron Man remotely similar to the James Rhodes of the comics, or even the 90's cartoon?

[I Am The Knight]

Howard wasn't the weak link for me really. His acting was good. His character was kind of bland, though. He had the least material to work with.

[Gilpesh]

Terrence Howard was Rhodes.... f**k Marvel for messing that up.

[spider-neil]

howard sounded like a girl when he was looking for tony in the mansion.

'tony!' 'tony!!'

ha ha had to giggle at his delivery of that line :woot:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Howard wasn't the weak link for me really. His acting was good. His character was kind of bland, though. He had the least material to work with.There are no small parts...okay thats not completely true. I agree with you about his character quite a bit but I felt that he was too soft in the movie for the role he was playing. Again I didn't dislike him but I can't cry over this because I'm simply not in love with him as an actor. And obviously I'm being nice in my language.

[YJ1]

I'm always disappointed when an actor can't return for a role, but honestly, this is a trade up in my book. I like Terrence Howard, but Don Cheadle is a better actor.

Right, just like Iron Man armor itself, Cheadle is an upgrade. Bring on IM2! I can't wait.

[Super-Bats]

I think Howard's voice was too "soft".......that was the only thing that really annoyed me throughout the movie.

[I Am The Knight]

howard sounded like a girl when he was looking for tony in the mansion.

'tony!' 'tony!!'

ha ha had to giggle at his delivery of that line :woot:

:woot::woot: LAWL yeah. I know what you mean.

There are no small parts...okay thats not completely true. I agree with you about his character quite a bit but I felt that he was too soft in the movie for the role he was playing. Again I didn't dislike him but I can't cry over this because I'm simply not in love with him as an actor. And obviously I'm being nice in my language.

You're probably right...I'm not too familiar with Rhodes as a character, so I can only judge what I saw in the movie. It's no secret that I find his voice quite humurous :hehe:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

:woot::woot: LAWL yeah. I know what you mean.



You're probably right...I'm not too familiar with Rhodes as a character, so I can only judge what I saw in the movie. It's no secret that I find his voice quite humurous :hehe:Dude, I don't know s**t about Iron Man really. I only know little things here and there and that Rhodey was more Cheadle chocolate. Howards voice can be extremely annoying but that wouldn't be a good reason to replace him lol.

[CaptainClown]

See, people thought I was crazy cause I thought Howards voice was really high. They said I was nit picking but I am glad I am not the only one.

[I Am The Knight]

Dude, I don't know s**t about Iron Man really. I only know little things here and there and that Rhodey was more Cheadle chocolate. Howards voice can be extremely annoying but that wouldn't be a good reason to replace him lol.

Neither do I...I guess I'm not geek enough to know much about Iron Man.

A little off topic, but...An interview excerpt with Howard that cracks me up...

ELLE: What one item could you find in a woman's house that would prove that you weren't compatible?
TH: Toilet paper—and no baby wipes—in her bathroom.
ELLE: Wait. I don't think I understand.
TH: If they're using dry paper, they aren't washing all of themselves. It's just unclean. So if I go inside a woman's house and see the toilet paper there, I'll explain this. And if she doesn't make the adjustment to baby wipes, I'll know she's not completely clean.


:hehe::hehe::hehe:

[Gold Samurai]

"Next time baby"

MARVEL DISCLAIMER pops up on screen

Announcer- by next time this means a contractual obligation to appear in any future marvel features and stipulates that Mr Howard will receive a specified amount of money for his contributions to Marvel. Failure to do so will result is breach of contract and penalty under California acting law paragraph 6 page 10.

;)

[YJ1]

"Next time baby"

Next time, don't be so greedy and/or hire a better agent.

Off to the Crash TV series for you.

[LostSon88]

A.) You don't know what the deal with Favreau was- maybe he was holding out for more money, maybe it wasn't reported immediately, etc.

B.) The majority of sequels are two years- Batman, Spiderman, all of them, pretty much. If it was anything less, people would be complaining it was rushed.

C.) Maybe Howard was asking for too much. Fact is we don't know.

So maybe everyone should calm down and quit *****ing about Marvel because, the fact is, they brought us some great movies last summer, and are doing the Avengers and combing the universes, which I thought was what most fans wanted.

A) Considering how much he made the studio, is it really that unreasonable for him to ask for a raise?

B) Um...no. A majority of sequels have a 3 year span inbetween. And guess what? The sequels that DID have only 2 year spans turned out to be garbage. Check out the F4 franchise and the early Batman series.

C) They tried to lowball Faverau, they screwed with Edward Norton and they are now rumored to be playing cheap with Howard.

Sorry, but I still feel Marvel is getting full of themselves very early in the game. Sue me.

[marcvader]

I could care less if they replace Howard, he's not Rhodes at all. I'll also say that Cheadle doesn't seem like Rhodes either, we'll have to wait and see. What matters is that they bring back the main actor that carried the movie anyways and that's what's happening. You guys that are bitcching and moaning about this, boo hoo. Get over it and stop your pouting.

[YJ1]

Sorry, but I still feel Marvel is getting full of themselves very early in the game. Sue me.

Not knowing any of the real facts but casting aspersions is NOT being full of yourself? Too bad you really can't sue someone for being flat out stupid.

[SavageBanner]

I'm actually impressed by the fan reaction, and glad to see as much support for Don Cheadle, even though I feel almost all of us wishes that Howard had stuck with the deal. This is what happens when actors try to bite off more than they can chew.

Cheadle will do fine, just as good a job as Howard did in the first one.

[The Guard]

So you replace one actor who wasn't quite right for the role...with another who is even less suited for it?

O...k.

[RockSP]

I always thought Keith David would have made a good War Machine...but, we'll see how this turns out.

Keith David is way to old...lol...wtf

Amazing actor, but Howard was so much more like Rhodey.

Not really. His Rhodey was a movie creation. He was nothing like the comic book character, anyway.

[Jesster32388]

Well this sucks. I like Cheadle but, like a lot of you are saying, I hate when they mess up continuity. And plus I was looking froward to what Howard was going to do with the role. Oh well, hope it still works.

And I agree with a post from before, is this is happening I highly doubt Ed Norton will be back for Avengers.

[bunk]

So you replace one actor who wasn't quite right for the role...with another who is even less suited for it?

O...k.

Who would've been your choice Goldilocks?

Btw I'm just razzin ya.

[Stringer]

Im way more inclined to believe that Marvel tried to lowball Howard than Howard overpricing himself.

I mean have you guys seen some of the low budget movies he's done even after Hustle and Flow?

[Heretic]

I was not big of Howard as Rhodey, so I'm fine with this.

[jaguarr]

Cheadle is a fine actor, but recasting never inspires confidence. First the studio puts down a two-year release date when Favreau (understandably) wants three, then they don't want to pay up for Favreau because they think he isn't critical, and now this. I hope these hiccups are not indicative of (or do not evolve into) larger problems with the film.

This largely sums up my feelings on this as well. Marvel's done some alarming things in the way they have approached this film and their business in general lately. I hope it's not indicative of a problem with a bit too much greed on their parts. It sounds like Howard tried to strongarm the negotiations, thinking that he was important enough to the production to do so, though, and got put on his ass for his troubles. In that respect, I can see both sides of the story; actor wants more for his contribution, studio doesn't want to be in a situation where an actor is calling his own shots. Neither side is right or wrong, that's just business. However, there were some things about Howard that bugged the living crap out of me in the first film, primarily how whiny his voice was. Tell me that, towards the end of the film when he races into Stark's house and starts to go down the stairs into his workship yelling "Tony! Tony!" in the whiniest, girly-man voice imaginable you didn't get the urge to push him down the stairs. Cheadle looks quite a bit different from Howard, who more closely resembles Rhoadey, so it's a bit of an odd substitution but I have absolutely no doubt about Cheadle's chops to handle the part and make it something special. So, this change-up is a bit of a wash to me. I'm more concerned about the short production time and turnaround for this thing; Favreau's got his hands full, that's for sure.

jag

[RockSP]

Cheadle looks quite a bit different from Howard, who more closely resembles Rhoadey,

:huh::huh:

[jaguarr]

:huh::huh:

It's been decades since I've read an Iron Man book, frankly. The old Rhoadey I originally remember looked a bit more like Howard than Cheadle. Maybe the current Rhoadey looks more like Cheadle these days? Maybe I'm just going senile in my old age?

jag

[Darkly Dexter]

BIG MISTAKE. I hate re-casting characters especially in a franchise. If they can't keep the actor attached to the character then write the character off. Re-casting sucks.

James Rhodes has gotten facial surgery now, I guess. lol

[Darknightnomis]

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/focus_features/talk_to_me/don_cheadle/talktome2.jpghttp://bp2.blogger.com/_iW5bCdxTvCw/RwreRs68C6I/AAAAAAAAAdc/ywHd53YlH4Q/s400/353703896_113f2f8170_o.jpg


He looks like the late 70s early 80s version of Rhodey in this pic from "Talk to Me" But with a funky cool 70s mustache.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree with Jag, I'm more concerned about the fact that this movie is obviously being rushed to it's 2010 date then recasting the slightly annoying Howard.

[UltimateJustin]

The sad thing is, 99% of white people will never even know they switched actors for Rhodey.

[Movies205]

Let us see things from a different point of view. Marvel is a fledgling Movie studio, they've had one hit and one semi-failure. They are far from successful and for us to judge their business practices is ludicrous.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The sad thing is, 99% of white people will never even know they switched actors for Rhodey.I don't think that anybody should care if the movie is good and he does well in the role.

I don't see how racism figures into this???

[jaguarr]

The sad thing is, 99% of white people will never even know they switched actors for Rhodey.


89.47893% of statistics are made up, including this one. ;)

jag

[spideyboy_1111]

Let us see things from a different point of view. Marvel is a fledgling Movie studio, they've had one hit and one semi-failure. They are far from successful and for us to judge their business practices is ludicrous.

i dont get why people call TIH a failure... it made slightly more then HULK which money wise did decently, story wise and expectation wise it failed. TIH just simply wasn't a hit, but it was a good hulk film, with good actors. People imo just don't care much for hulk... and HULK effected TIH's turnout. hopefully DVD sales will be decent

[Kent]

Don Cheadle is a great actor, but I hate it when they change actors for parts between sequels (yes, even in the case of Katie Holmes/ Maggie Gyllenhaal).

[Agent 194]

Seems like Howard got a little too greedy. I heard him on CBS Sunday morning talking about getting obscene amounts of money and laughing about it.

[RockSP]

The sad thing is, 99% of white people will never even know they switched actors for Rhodey.

:hehe: You'd have to be blind not to see a difference...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

i dont get why people call TIH a failure... it made slightly more then HULK which money wise did decently, story wise and expectation wise it failed. TIH just simply wasn't a hit, but it was a good hulk film, with good actors. People imo just don't care much for hulk... and HULK effected TIH's turnout. hopefully DVD sales will be decentIt was a disappointment. Studios care more about the domestic market because they make more money from it. International markets are hugely important but they care more about the domestic market, part of that is money and part is ego. It didn't bomb but it didn't make as much or more than it's 150 million dollar budget in the states. It actually sold less tickets than Hulk and I liked it well enough but I don't think that most people were thrilled with it, if they were the legs would have been better. Alas this isn't the Hulk forums so this is the last thing I say about it in here.

[louiebling$]

I'm not liking this one bit

[Spider-Fan]

Why did Howard even bother to do IM then. This is lame, good friggin riddance :down

[RogueDK]

i dont get why people call TIH a failure... it made slightly more then HULK which money wise did decently, story wise and expectation wise it failed. TIH just simply wasn't a hit, but it was a good hulk film, with good actors. People imo just don't care much for hulk... and HULK effected TIH's turnout. hopefully DVD sales will be decent



I think Hulk, like Hellboy, only caters to little more than its fanbase seeing that neither franchises have brought in phenomenal b.o. numbers in their respective installments.

I thought that TIH was amazing and a great improvement over Lee's but putting it out among other summer heavyweights like THE DARK KNIGHT, IRON MAN & INDY 4 was just plain suicide...

It may have fared better with a holiday release.

As for the news over the new Rhodey, I've always felt that Michael Jai White was perfect for the part. He even sounds alot like the Rhodes from the 90s cartoon as well.

[mclay18]

I have to say I was shocked when I read this news, but having Cheadle as a replacement softens the blow.

But surely did Howard sign a 3-pic deal for IM? I know RDJ and GP did, but it seems as though Marvel is willing to let him go in favor of someone cheaper.

[RockSP]

Why did Howard even bother to do IM then. This is lame, good friggin riddance :down

LOL...you can't be serious. He did it because it was a paying movie role, like any other working actor.

[RogueDK]

But surely did Howard sign a 3-pic deal for IM? I know RDJ and GP did, but it seems as though Marvel is willing to let him go in favor of someone cheaper.


That's what I'd like to know. We really don't know what went on behind closed doors that lead to this.

It's unfortunate news because I felt that Howard did a great job. I hope that Cheadle will bulk up some...

[I SEE SPIDEY]

LOL...you can't be serious. He did it because it was a paying movie role, like any other working actor.
Exactly. People on these boards have to understand that normal folk and actors aren't as emotionally invested in comicbook movies as we are.

Sounds like Howard played with fire and got burned. I hope it is worth it because it seems like a terrible career move.

[Rock Sexton]

I for one am happy about this. Howard had the range of an ant. I couldn't handle his constantly misty-eyed delivery. I swear, he always looks like he is on the verge of tears. Just came off a little too "friendly" with Starks character. Cheadle on the other hand possesses the kind of presence, persona, and attitude I would expect out of military man. What he lacks in size he makes up for with his mouth, which is ideal for a guy who'd man a War Machine suit.

[Savage]

Well this kinda...sucks. Cheadle's the better actor but...well, we'll see. I hate continuity flubs like this. I think he can pull it off with a goatee and some muscle though (or...any weight for that matter since I doubt he'll be walking around topless)...Yeah, I can see him pulling off Rhodes.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Trading Katie for Maggie didn't affect me one bit. Now this isn't the same thing because Howard wasn't terrible but he wasn't exactly good either so I can deal. It's cool to see older actors getting to play Superheros.

[TNC9852002]

Did they give a reason why they made the change?

-TNC

[Movies205]

For those that do not like to read:

The only thing we can judge are the choices themselves and how they affect the movie.

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i dont get why people call TIH a failure... it made slightly more then HULK which money wise did decently, story wise and expectation wise it failed. TIH just simply wasn't a hit, but it was a good hulk film, with good actors. People imo just don't care much for hulk... and HULK effected TIH's turnout. hopefully DVD sales will be decent

I use the term "semi-failure" since it really wasn't a success or a failure, but that point is moot, my main point is that people are being ridiculous in this thread on all sides.

Whether you think Cheadle can pull this off or if this will affect the quality of the movie is all subjective.

However, these remarks like:

I love Don Cheadle and all, but recasting a part is the death-knell of movie making. How about Marvel puts in a little more effort to negotiate with Terrence Howard rather than just recast the role?

Marvel really looks cheap. They tried to lowball Favreau and now this. Not good.

But you can tell how much he loved playing Rhodey.

I am getting more and more wary of Marvel and the way they're doing business. After the post-Iron Man fiasco, with not immediately resigning Faverau, the 2-year timeframe for part II, stiffing Howard on the money (apparently).

One hit movie and all the sudden they think they're invincible.

:whatever:

Why did Howard even bother to do IM then. This is lame, good friggin riddance :down
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See my point? You folks aren't in the movie business, watching an episode of Entourage does not make you an expert. We do not know what happened behind close doors, perhaps Marvel tried to low-ball, perhaps Howard asked too much, perhaps Marvel simply doesn't have the financing for it (Which is entirely possible), who knows. The only thing we can judge are the choices themselves and how they affect the movie.

[Rock Sexton]

Btw.....how does bringing on Cheadle mean the end for Norton? I'm not seeing the connection.

[RockSP]

Trading Katie for Maggie didn't affect me one bit. Now this isn't the same thing because Howard wasn't terrible but he wasn't exactly good either so I can deal. It's cool to see older actors getting to play Superheros.

Cheadle isn't that much older than Howard.

[Dark Donnie]

^^^word. I really doubt they lowballed him. Like I said earlier in the thread. Howard could have seen the enormous success of the first film...knowing his role would be greatly increased, went ahead and asked for a big pay bump.

[Movies205]

^^^word. I really doubt they lowballed him. Like I said earlier in the thread. Howard could have seen the enormous success of the first film...knowing his role would be greatly increased, went ahead and asked for a big pay bump.

Personally I don't see what was so great about Howard, his appeal has really been lost on me. Back when Hustle and Flow came out, I thought oh'man Terrance Howard is so cool and then I realized , he gives the damn same performance in every movie and I just don't really care, at least Cheadle's got charisma.

[TNC9852002]

^^^word. I really doubt they lowballed him. Like I said earlier in the thread. Howard could have seen the enormous success of the first film...knowing his role would be greatly increased, went ahead and asked for a big pay bump.
Where's the evidence that he asked for a pay bump?

-TNC

[Dark Donnie]

Personally I don't see what was so great about Howard, his appeal has really been lost on me. Back when Hustle and Flow came out, I thought oh'man Terrance Howard is so cool and then I realized , he gives the damn same performance in every movie and I just don't really care, at least Cheadle's got charisma.

I do agree that some of his performances are very similar. I would have liked someone like chiwetel ejiofor, but he might be a little young. Cheadle works though.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I really don't see his appeal either and never did. This news isn't heartbreaking to me but I could understand if somebody didn't dig it because they liked Howard. He was just eh to okay to me in the first movie.

[Dark Donnie]

Where's the evidence that he asked for a pay bump?

-TNC

There is none, that was my opinion. It seems like the most likely scenario(at least to me).

[lordofthenerds]

This sucks. Does Marvel actually think people won't notice Terrence Howard suddenly looks a lot like Don Cheadle...

[RockSP]

This sucks. Does Marvel actually think people won't notice Terrence Howard suddenly looks a lot like Don Cheadle...

This isn't the first film where one actor replaces another. Rhodey isn't the main character, anyway.

[Movies205]

I really don't see his appeal either and never did. This news isn't heartbreaking to me but I could understand if somebody didn't dig it because they liked Howard. He was just eh to okay to me in the first movie.

I can see how people have grown attach to him, plus continuity between films is nice, but Downey's performance in Iron Man was the only spectacular performance that I couldn't do without everyone else I don't really care if there replace or not :( That includes Samuel :(

[TNC9852002]

The only problem that I have here is that Don Cheadle is actually shorter than RDJ.

RDJ isn't technically short, but he looks short on-screen. To have a shorter Jim Rhodes might be a little strange.

Cheadle has a pretty small frame too. I think it'd be great if Don Cheadle managed to gain 15 extra pounds of muscle for the movie by the time shooting starts.

-TNC

[Savage]

Well I thought Jeff Bridges complimented Robert Downey Jr. very well. Both were highlights of the movie for me. Obviously Bridges' character is dead but I'm just pointing out his performance as well is all.

[Savage]

The only problem that I have here is that Don Cheadle is actually shorter than RDJ.

RDJ isn't technically short, but he looks short on-screen. To have a shorter Jim Rhodes might be a little strange.

I think it'd be great if Don Cheadle managed to gain 15 extra pounds of muscle for the movie by the time shooting starts.

-TNC

Well maybe they'll take advantage and actually make RDJ look taller as a result. Make him appear 6'2 or so instead of just having two short dudes running around tall people.

[I Am The Knight]

I can see how people have grown attach to him, plus continuity between films is nice, but Downey's performance in Iron Man was the only spectacular performance that I couldn't do without everyone else I don't really care if there replace or not :( That includes Samuel :(

I kinda wish they would replace "Samuel" :o

Also, Don Cheadle freaks me out.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I can see how people have grown attach to him, plus continuity between films is nice, but Downey's performance in Iron Man was the only spectacular performance that I couldn't do without everyone else I don't really care if there replace or not :( That includes Samuel :(Continuity is nice.

In the very tiny role he was in I thought that Jackson was awesome. As for the rest of the cast, I don't like Paltrow but I really liked her in Iron Man, (which is a surprise to me) she and RDJ had good chemistry IMHO so I want her to stay on board even though I think that she becomes a terrible actress when she has to interact with special effects.

What freaks you out about Cheadle Knight?

[RockSP]

Also, Don Cheadle freaks me out.

:huh:

[chamber-music]

I do agree that some of his performances are very similar. I would have liked someone like chiwetel ejiofor, but he might be a little young. Cheadle works though.

I only wanna see chiwetel ejiofor if his Black Panther :woot:

[Gold Samurai]

Howard was fine in Iron Man, nothing special.

I'm sure the casting of Cheadle will be like the casting of Robert Downey Jr

[TNC9852002]

http://squareeyes.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/iron-man-site-james-rhodes.jpg

R. I. P.

-TNC

[BobJM]

Continuity is nice.

In the very tiny role he was in I thought that Jackson was awesome. As for the rest of the cast, I don't like Paltrow but I really liked her in Iron Man, (which is a surprise to me) she and RDJ had good chemistry IMHO so I want her to stay on board even though I think that she becomes a terrible actress when she has to interact with special effects.

What freaks you out about Cheadle Knight?

Completely agree.

1. Jackson was completely bad*** in the tiny cameo, but I'm apprehensive about his portrayal when his role is expanded.

2. Hated Paltrow until I saw her in IM. Surprisingly funny & had great chemistry with Downey. But, the final battle, when she's yelling into her Bluetooth...awful, awful acting.

This Don Cheadle thing is surprising, but I think it will work out completely fine. Howard was good, but I'd take Cheadle over him any day.

[Rock Sexton]

This sucks. Does Marvel actually think people won't notice Terrence Howard suddenly looks a lot like Don Cheadle...

Are you really asking this? C'mon now......

[I Am The Knight]

What freaks you out about Cheadle Knight?

It's his face...Or something. I don't know :o :csad:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Completely agree.

1. Jackson was completely bad*** in the tiny cameo, but I'm apprehensive about his portrayal when his role is expanded.

2. Hated Paltrow until I saw her in IM. Surprisingly funny & had great chemistry with Downey. But, the final battle, when she's yelling into her Bluetooth...awful, awful acting.

This Don Cheadle thing is surprising, but I think it will work out completely fine. Howard was good, but I'd take Cheadle over him any day.That bluetooth scene is indded very horrific.

I too am a little apprehensive about how he would perform in a Nick Fury/Shield movie.

It's his face...Or something. I don't know :o :csad:He looks like a regular guy to me but...okay.

[spideyboy_1111]

It's his face...Or something. I don't know :o :csad:

don't worry, i feel the same... and i dont know why either, he just gives me a weird vibe

[TNC9852002]

don't worry, i feel the same... and i dont know why either, he just gives me a weird vibe
http://mommabrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/donc2.jpg

Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean.

:p

-TNC

[JP]

Maybe he'll bring the rest of the Golden Palace with him. ;)

[spideyboy_1111]

http://mommabrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/donc2.jpg

Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean.

:p

-TNC

o thats all kinds of creepy :( im not gonna be able to sleep tonight

[Gold Samurai]

That bluetooth scene is indeed very horrific.



her lines were horrible

"Tony! oh my god Tony!"

and

"oh wow whats that? is that like a little device that will pick the lock or something?



R. I. P.

-TNC

jeez you make it look like he's dead

[Punisher RULES]

Lame.

[I Am The Knight]

don't worry, i feel the same... and i dont know why either, he just gives me a weird vibe

Vindicated! :yay:

Hmmm. I'm not sure what you mean.

:p

-TNC

....

Vindicated! :o

No need to post "erotic" pics of the man, thank you...

[I Am The Knight]

Also, what's with the hate for Paltrow with the Bluetooth thingy? It worked for me...

[TNC9852002]

jeez you make it look like he's dead
Well, since we'll never see him again, then he might as well would be.

-TNC

[TNC9852002]

No need to post "erotic" pics of the man, thank you...
Let's not get too sensitive here.. :o

-TNC

[Darth Elektra]

I wish Howard would have stayed on this project.

[Spider-Fan]

Exactly. People on these boards have to understand that normal folk and actors aren't as emotionally invested in comicbook movies as we are.

Sounds like Howard played with fire and got burned. I hope it is worth it because it seems like a terrible career move.

His financial plan obviously didn't work for him here. Probably wanted too much money for playing a role in IM, where he didn't do anything of importance in actuality. This is really no big loss. He had one cool line, stood around while Stark punked him, and pressed a button during the climax.

Really deserved a pay raise for all that :up:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Also, what's with the hate for Paltrow with the Bluetooth thingy? It worked for me...I'm sure it worked for alot of people but I hated it, so...*shrugs*

[Nathan]

Don Cheadle as Rhodey? What the hell?

I don't hate the guy, I've seen enough Movies with him in it and thought he was good, but he just isn't Jim Rhodes. Resume negotiations, damn it Marvel! :cmad:

[TNC9852002]

I'm wondering..

If not Howard and not Cheadle, who else would've been good/better for the role?

-TNC

[Spider-Fan]

I'm fine with him as Rhodes. Whether or not he was the best choice I'll wait til after IM2 to determine.

I just hope the character actually DOES stuff this time. Rhodey was mostly useless in IM.

[Yellow Cyclone]

Im way more inclined to believe that Marvel tried to lowball Howard than Howard overpricing himself.

I mean have you guys seen some of the low budget movies he's done even after Hustle and Flow?

this makes a little more sense.

and it has more weight to it, considering how they tried to lowball favreau

[Nathan]

I'm wondering..

If not Howard and not Cheadle, who else would've been good/better for the role?

-TNC

Erik King. :o

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4198/biokingqi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

*to a Tony who drank one too much*

Rhodes: "I'm watching you mother****er."

:D

[I SEE SPIDEY]

He is badass in Dexter.

[Iron_Stark]

He is badass in Dexter.

Correction, he was badass in Dexter. :oldrazz:

[Captain Planet!]

This is the friggin' most retarded thing Marvel has done with their movies so far. This could make IM2 fall apart.

[spideyboy_1111]

Also, what's with the hate for Paltrow with the Bluetooth thingy? It worked for me...

actually.. we agree again... i thought it fit fine

[PWN3R]

The news makes me terribly sad, and happy too.
Sad = Terrence Howard was amazing as Rhodes.
Happy = Don Cheadle is the ****ing man.
Erik King. :o

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4198/biokingqi6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

*to a Tony who drank one too much*

Rhodes: "I'm watching you mother****er."

:D

bwahahaHAHahahHAa that's genius.

[PWN3R]

Correction, he was badass in Dexter. :oldrazz:
Might wanna spoiler that :cwink:

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Correction, he was badass in Dexter. :oldrazz:You just spoiled something for me, I'm not even on the second season yet!:cmad:

This is the friggin' most retarded thing Marvel has done with their movies so far. This could make IM2 fall apart.Sure it will:rolleyes: Last time I checked Iron Man is the RDJ show.

Recasting totally killed TDK at the boxoffice.

[Rock Sexton]

This is the friggin' most retarded thing Marvel has done with their movies so far. This could make IM2 fall apart.

What the h*ll? Hate to break it to you but Howard didn't carry the movie. Please back away from the ledge.

[Iron_Stark]

You just spoiled something for me, I'm not even on the second season yet!:cmad:

Ah crap!! I'm sorry!!

[YJ1]

this makes a little more sense.

and it has more weight to it, considering how they tried to lowball favreau

Why do people keep saying this? It's called NEGOTIATING. When a movie makes this much money, both sides are going to posture. It seems to me that Marvel treated Favreau great. They gave him complete support and freedom and they even bought him a new high end sports car as a thank you gift and delivered it to him opening weekend after the box office exploded. Favreau was never in any real danger of being excluded. He certainly made a great film. So, everyone benefited.

It's clear Howard wanted Downey money for committing to sequels and wouldn't budge. (See post movie release interviews) I'm sure this was brewing and Marvel simply chose to move on. Howard played chicken with the wrong people. Good for Marvel!

[Iron_Stark]

What the h*ll? Hate to break it to you but Howard didn't carry the movie. Please back away from the ledge.

Right on, this is RDJ's baby not Howards. RDJ was a major reason this movie was liked by many.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Ah crap!! I'm sorry!!*takes out knife* All is forgiven.

[PWN3R]

You just spoiled something for me, I'm not even on the second season yet!:cmad:


Don't worry, I accidentally spoiled myself and it still blew my mind.

[Philly Phanboy]

Cheadle is a more than adequate replacement, he's a great actor just hella bad with accents which thankfully won't come into play with IM.

Wow Howard must have really made somebody at Marvel mad at him. Just a few months ago he was talking as if he was going to be around for 2 more Iron Man movies and then maybe a War Machine movie. He didn't just burn his bridges with Marvel, he frickin nuked the suckers. :im:

[FlawlessVictory]

cheadle is a great actor but howard IS JR.
why the heck didn't they lock down the principle actors for the sequels like the spider-man actors.

The actors were all signed to multi-picture deals, just goes to show you those contracts aren't worth the paper they are written on.

I can guarantee that Favreau and RDJ are excited about this. This is a real cast of A-Listers now! I can already see the on-screen dynamics between RDJ and Cheadle being incredible.

It was an A-List cast with Howard.



A little off topic, but...An interview excerpt with Howard that cracks me up...

:hehe::hehe::hehe:

"Next time baby...wipes" :hehe:

This sucks. Does Marvel actually think people won't notice Terrence Howard suddenly looks a lot like Don Cheadle...

Reminds me of that episode of "Fresh Prince" when a new actress is brought in to play Will Smith's mom. Will Smith in the episode, upon seeing her for the first time, says something to the effect of, "did you lose weight?" :woot:

And Cheadle WAS in Fresh Prince. It all makes sense now! :wow:

Why do people keep saying this? It's called NEGOTIATING. When a movie makes this much money, both sides are going to posture. It seems to me that Marvel treated Favreau great. They gave him complete support and freedom and they even bought him a new high end sports car as a thank you gift and delivered it to him opening weekend after the box office exploded. Favreau was never in any real danger of being excluded. He certainly made a great film. So, everyone benefited.

OMG, somone is saying something bad about Marvel, AHHH!!!!! You like to attack others for claiming they don't know what they are talking about, but how about you get YOUR facts straight. Paramount presented that car to Favreau, NOT Marvel!


Mr. Favreau also described how a few nights back, he had dinner with Iron Man star Robert Downey Jr. at Mr. Chow’s in Beverly Hills to celebrate their movie’s domination of the weekend’s box office. When the director emerged, he gave his ticket to the valet, who promptly returned with a top-of-the-line, brand-new Mercedes.

“That’s not my car,” Mr. Favreau said.

“Yes, it is,” replied the valet.

“No, it’s not. I drive a Cadillac.”

“This is your car, Mr. Favreau.”

The director and the valet kept at this line of conversation for some time until Mr. Favreau accepted the new ride—a gift, as it turned out, from the overlords over at Paramount.


http://www.observer.com/2008/dinner-dejected-directors-jon-favreau-describes-free-ride

[Chris Wallace]

I have mixed feelings here. On the one hand, I didn't think Howard was a good fit for Rhodey, visually speaking, that is. (Not that Cheadle is spot-on, either.) On the other, I hate when they change up like this. Thus far, only the Spider-Man movies have kept their casts consistent throughout.

[Nathan]

Thus far, only the Spider-Man movies have kept their casts consistent throughout.

The only Movie where I'm wishing for a recast so badly.

[tamron]

cheadle is a great actor but howard IS JR.
Howard did a good job with what the script called for, but he wasn't comic Rhodey. IMHO, when an actor IS the character, it's a ripped from the pages feel in look and personality (ex. JK Simmons as JJ). Howard was good, but IMHO, he wasn't a definitive Rhodey by any stretch.

Did anybody see 'Traitor'? It looked like a rental to me.
It's basically Point Break with terrorism instead of bank robbing. Saïd Taghmaoui is really good as the terrorist Cheadle befreinds, and the chemistry between them is very good. Definitely worth a rental, IMHO.

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/2948/doncheadlelm7.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/216773-133062-war-machine_super.jpg