What if...

[Chris Wallace]

they were to just omit Robin altogether & go straight to Batgirl?
Discuss.

[Abaddon]

she's still an infant.

[ScarecrowMan666]

agreed, she's still too young for that. I don't think we'll see Batgirl or Robin in Nolan's series.

[El Payaso]

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[Chris Wallace]

How do we know it'll even be Barbara? It could be Cassandra.

[spiderral]

No, I don't think Nolan wants Batman to have Batgirl, nevermind Robin. And yeah, just like 'Abaddon' said, she will be pretty small so there's not really and point at all.

[Two-Face]

agreed, she's still too young for that. I don't think we'll see Batgirl or Robin in Nolan's series.

I hope it stays like that.

[CaptainClown]

I hope it stays like that.
amen

[Matt Murdock]

I'm not a fan of Robin.

[mavsmaniac21]

agreed. robin is an outdated character and doesnt work when you are trying to take this stuff seriously. i know many will disagree but i dont think it works in the comics either. i have trouble reading anything with robin in it.

[CaptainClown]

agreed. robin is an outdated character and doesnt work when you are trying to take this stuff seriously. i know many will disagree but i dont think it works in the comics either. i have trouble reading anything with robin in it.
same

[donk70]

agreed. robin is an outdated character and doesnt work when you are trying to take this stuff seriously. i know many will disagree but i dont think it works in the comics either. i have trouble reading anything with robin in it.
I'll agree

The idea of Robin is reckless in 21st century terms and overall tone of the comics and movies. I don't think there's anyway to make him work in the Nolanverse.

[Chris Wallace]

I argued back in '89 that I couldn't see Batman dragging a kid into his world, but nobody listened then, either.

[RoboAmish]

The idea of introducing Batgirl before Robin reminds me too much of that godawful "The Batman" cartoon show

[Chris Wallace]

They did that?

[RoboAmish]

yep. Introduced her start of season 3 along with Gordon (who they always criminally underused). Robin didn't make his appearance until season 4...

[CaptainClown]

yep. Introduced her start of season 3 along with Gordon (who they always criminally underused). Robin didn't make his appearance until season 4...
and people asked why I didn't like this show...ha.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

she's still an infant.

She may be too young but she woudnt be an "Infant".

[Abaddon]

she's only been referred to as "the baby"

[markstrange]

What if robin never meets batman until after he becomes nightwing?

[DeGenerate10]

Please no Robin or Batgirl period. Just not a good thing for this franchise. Stay away from the bat nipples and side kicks please.

[Chris Wallace]

What if robin never meets batman until after he becomes nightwing?

I think that would be even less well-received.

[Chris Wallace]

and people asked why I didn't like this show...ha.

I just watched "Batman vs Dracula" tonight; are you sure that was your only reason?

[CaptainClown]

I just watched "Batman vs Dracula" tonight; are you sure that was your only reason?
don't get me started. That show is just...eh....a waste of a Batman series..

[Chris Wallace]

That's what I thought. Bad art, bad voices, bad stories. Just bad.

[Chris Wallace]

That's what I thought. Bad art, bad voices, bad stories. Just bad.

[CaptainClown]

I actually think the voice acting is decent...(Adam West as the Mayor = gold)

[Chris Wallace]

I haven't watched it enough to find that out, actually.
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h62/Hizeavy_D/mayor_adam_west.png

[CaptainClown]

It had me cracking up, then i went back to disliking it.

[markstrange]

I think that would be even less well-received.

I'm not sure what their plans are with "The Graysons TV show" but it sounds like their doing the batman story through robin because they can't actually do batman for some reason. Thats why I came up with... Dick Grayson becoming robin on his own, then later after batman finds him, he becomes Nightwing. I understand how stupid it sounds. I don't want that to happen, but that might be what the shows writers are thinking.

[[A]]

I actually think the voice acting is decent...(Adam West as the Mayor = gold)

Totally :up:

[markstrange]

Robin doesn't work in the realistic world because its child endangerment. You can't let a little kid go into battle. Its unethical and wrong and batman nor Alfred nor the entire police department would allow such a thing to happen.

[kyodai-ken]

I personally never really loved the Robin character either but I do realize that their are many people who do love the idea of the "dynamic duo". I don't believe that Robin {or Batgirl} will ever be in a Nolan Batman movie but if they decided it was time you would have to make certain real world changes. Robin would never go into battle with Batman until he was atleast 16 or 17 years old. His main purpose would be intel for Batman {simaler to Oracle in current continuity}. He would remain in the Batcave during missions and provide support from there to assist Batman. Robin would have to train {multiple disciplines} for years before ever being allowed to enter a potentially dangerous scenerio.
The master/apprentice scenerio could work very well on film if tackled properly but its just ridiculous having a 11 or 12 year old go out on patrol and fight real criminals.

[ScarecrowMan666]

Yeah how bout just no Robin or Batgirl in Nolan films? Neither was a great character to begin with, and I just don't see him including them.

[Abaddon]

They're both fine characters, but they would never work in the context of Nolan's films.

[Chris Wallace]

Robin doesn't work in the realistic world because its child endangerment. You can't let a little kid go into battle. Its unethical and wrong and batman nor Alfred nor the entire police department would allow such a thing to happen.

I've heard a similar argument against kid sidekicks.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee116/cherdnell/untitled.jpg

[Cunning Stunts]

she's still an infant.

The little girl who would presumably be Barbara was shown in TDK, and was clearly not an infant.

[spiderfan970]

After what happened to Brian Douglas?? There's no way there will be a Robin, Batgirl, Nightwing, or anyone. Although. I could see Bruce taking in a child orphaned by crime and eventually teaching him to be his replacement when he gets old enough.

[webhead9707]

i like robin, and personnally think they could put him in if they wanted because nolan is so awesome it would rub off on robin and be awesome lol

[Abaddon]

The little girl who would presumably be Barbara was shown in TDK, and was clearly not an infant.

toddler, whatev.

[Cunning Stunts]

toddler, whatev.

From the view of the girl, and the fact that the actress chosen to play her was about 7 or 8 years old at filming, I'd go more with, if there is a jump in time during the next film (or so) of a little less than a decade, then we could very well see Batgirl.

Preferrably, I would rather not see either, especially in the next film. I'd much rather see each character get their own related spin-off films, possibly including Batman in them and definitely related to this Universe, but not in Batman's series of movies.

[Abaddon]

7, seriously? I thought the film takes place about 6 months after BB. And wasn't Barbara(the wife) holding a very small child in the climax?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

7, seriously? I thought the film takes place about 6 months after BB. And wasn't Barbara(the wife) holding a very small child in the climax?

It takes place 1 year after [or a bit more] after the end of Begins.

[MovieMasters]

Robin wont be in any of the new movies gladly :)

Christain Bale said if they introduce Robin he quits :p

I totally agree :D

[Cunning Stunts]

7, seriously? I thought the film takes place about 6 months after BB. And wasn't Barbara(the wife) holding a very small child in the climax?

In TDK? No, the actress is an older child. She's eight years old right now, from what I've read.

[Shemtov]

i woudnt mind if in batman 4 (at the earliest) if they introduced a vigilante around batman's age in BB whose name is nightwing whom batman tries to discourage. it would be a subplot but a nod to robin fans.

[Nirvana]

I would honestly be more interested in Batgirl than Robin to be honest. So if they ever did go for Batgirl over Robin, talking way way later down the road, I'd like that.

[CFE]

The Sidekicks, to be honest, just are neither interesting enough or needed enough as far as Nolan's series goes.

They aren't needed at this point in time, plain and simple.

[Clark Kent]

The Sidekicks, to be honest, just are neither interesting enough or needed enough as far as Nolan's series goes.

They aren't needed at this point in time, plain and simple.

Agreed. Nolan's series will end after the next one, and then we'll probably get another reboot ten years from then, from a guy who does wanna put in Robin.

[Blaztro]

Nolan said Robin would be a few movies away, if at all. This strengthens my belief that Robin could only be introduced because Batman has been at it for awhile, is getting older and slowing down, and needs some help and someone to train as a replacement.

[NoirMan82]

The thing with the sidekick issue is, how many Batman stories can you tell before people are bored with him? There's not much character development you can do with someone as actualized as Bruce Wayne. Eventually it becomes; new baddie shows up, gives Batman a headache, Batman kicks his ass, lather, rinse, and repeat. You need Robin just to add a dynamic there.

I hate when people say Robin doesn't work, if that was true the character would not still be around in multiple forms across various media. He's also the 3rd most recognizable hero in the DCU next to Supes and Bats. To write such an important character off because adapting him for modern times would take a little creativity (not much, but from what I hear people throw out there...yeesh!) is lazy and does a disservice to the Batman legend. Nuff said.

[NoirMan82]

Robin doesn't work in the realistic world because its child endangerment. You can't let a little kid go into battle. Its unethical and wrong and batman nor Alfred nor the entire police department would allow such a thing to happen.

But we can send teenagers to die in Iraq?

[petey]

This is my first post, I've been reading alot on here and other sites. I just dont get why everyone is so anti-robin. Yeah I agree that he doesnt need to be in the next one. But start him in the fouth. Like a refrence to the circus at the end.

He doesnt need to be thirteen maybe like sixteen. He not useless as many claim him to be. I mean Gotham is a major city; and within are street gangs whose ranks hold early to mid teenaers who kill. So the whole it being reckless is kinda mute, becuse this kid could be a force of evil but under Bruce's guidence is formed into a force of good. He could stand as a symbol that the youths of the city could accomplish good and bring about change. Because lets face it Bruce doesnt want to be batman forever.

If done correctly Robin could in fact be a well liked character. Besides not putting him in film would just be a slap in the face of batmans comic roots.

[mothy]

robin should be capable of surprising bruce and maybe even teaching him something new. in batman: dark victory, dick grayson does precisely that, and it lays out the best case for why robin and batman begin this partnership. there's a wonderful emotional layer to the whole thing that makes it by far the most effective robin story of all time.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

But we can send teenagers to die in Iraq?

There's a big difference between 8 and 18.

[Two-Face]

Look Robin in a Nolan it's big no. This Batman himself doesn't need him.

[mothy]

Look Robin in a Nolan it's big no. This Batman himself doesn't need him.
no argument from me.

[batmaluco]

Look Robin it's big no. Batman himself doesn't need him.
Fixed! :hehe:

[Dark Phantom]

There's no doubt that Robin could be written respectively to the Nolan universe (in a reality where Nolan is willing to accept Robin). However, I think the main concern with everyone is that, Robin is a very hard character to cast. You need to find the perfect child/teenage actor who can pull off the following:

a) He needs to be convincingly brooding and moody without seeming whiney
b) His quips shouldnt sound corny or campy
c) HE CANNOT BE ANNOYING
d) He needs to make the audience forget about the actor and only see the character

Young actors, many times, dont connect with the audience in these types of scenarios. The general audience will always complain, "Man, that kid was annoying. He wouldn't shut up." or "His acting sucked. He was too whiney and emo." You think Bale receives enough guff about his Bat-voice? If there's a Robin, he needs to be the best damn underage actor there ever was.

[.: The Cal :.]

Batgirl before Robin would just ruin the timeline of the comics and the movies! :eek:

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Batgirl before Robin would just ruin the timeline of the comics and the movies! :eek:

I dont see why it would.

Batgirl b4 Robin in "The Batman" didnt hurt that series at all.

[Indrid Cold]

I have to agree, Robin and Batgirl are not intertwined in any way. So it wouldn't matter which one was introduced first.

[Two-Face]

Well we kind of saw Batgirl in TDK she was there with her brother and mom in the warehouse where Harvey was holding them as hostages........ :p

[manhattanl]

I certainly don't need a Robin in this franchise, however, I bet what they do with that character would be very interesting and surprising.

[lintino17]

dont know if anyone has thought about this but just for a cameo thing, plus u could past him for lookin alot like Heath Ledger but i think Joseph Gordon Levitt could do a job for the joker? he was pretty gd in that 500 days of summer. i know he wouldn't be maybe as gd but u never know. when i first heard that Ledger was playin the joker a wasn't sure about it & look how that turned out.

[J'adore]

Maybe they could throw off little hints about a young Barbara being a possible Batgirl? Like maybe the Commissioner mentions her doing gymnastics or how she's a fan of Batman.

[Mr. Earle]

agreed. robin is an outdated character and doesnt work when you are trying to take this stuff seriously. i know many will disagree but i dont think it works in the comics either. i have trouble reading anything with robin in it.Hm... Batman and Robin is currently the second best selling DC comicbook right now. Maybe its because unlike the other batman comic books that are sold simultaneously, it has lots of Robin in it. Damian is amazing.
That's what I thought. Bad art, bad voices, bad stories. Just bad.Most character designs were bad (i liked Alfred, Catwoman, Riddler and others) with Batman's being the worst. I admire the fact that they took a chance and did their own spin on some costumes like the Riddler's and the Joker's. I didnt like the latter of course, but i still respect them for trying something new. Also, Gotham and everything in it were beautifully designed.

The voice acting was amazing. Romano was great as Batman and Alfred was good too. As for the stories, it was mostly a mindless kid's show, but to say that it didnt have good stories would be unfair. Robin's introductory episode, some of Catwoman's, the Riddler episodes, the episodes where Batman teams up with other heroes, some Gordon episodes, etc were very good.

All in all i think that we should at least give the show credit for its voice acting, great world design, and its gutsy redesigns some of which were successful.

[Mr. Earle]

Now, a lot of people in here are against Robin for various reasons which i will try to adress. Keep in mind that i am defending Robin in general and not just for the Nolanverse. For all we know, the post-Nolan Batman films might be closer to canon.

1) He is a kid sidekick fighting crime.
Well we are talking about a guy who dresses up like a bat and drives a flying car in a fictional gothic city. He lives in a world where 1/3 of the population consists of costumed heroes, the other 1/3 of supervillains and the last 1/3 of their victims. Having a kid sidekick is no less unrealistic than an alien that looks exactly like a human, besides the fact that solar radiation gives him superpowers. In fact, Batman often teams up with that alien. Its fiction, deal with it.

2) Robin is cheesy. Batman should be alone, on a gargoyle, in the rain.
Robin's costume is admittedly too flashy for him to be Batman's sidekick. But other than that, Robin's story is just as tragic as Batman's so he is a pretty serious character. Besides, just because Bruce adopted Dick, it doesnt mean that he is in every comic from then on and the same could be for the movies. If a movie doesnt have any use for him, he could just have a cameo (exams at school keeping him busy or whatever).

3) Robin lightens things up.
Dick lightened things up a bit. Jason and Tim were pretty serious. But Dick is the first Robin (and the one that we'll see in the movies if Robin is ever used) so lets talk about him. Dick is an amazing character, loved by fans just as much as Bruce or Clark. His lightness is very important because (a) it lightened bruce up when he was about to lose himself in Batman, (b) it shows that even though he witnessed his parents' murder and is raised in a cave, he hasnt lost his spirit and he can still enjoy life, (c) another grimdark character would sink the ship thats already heavy on it.

4) Robin offers nothing.
O'RLY? Let's see:
a) He pulled bruce out of the darkness he was sinking in. But he also balances the story by balancing the level of grimdark.
b) He is Bruce's son, heir and sidekick. Adopting Dick and then losing him when he left to be his own man are two major points in Bruce's life. And that's just Dick.
c) Provides exposition other than Alfred's. Face it, the Batman most of you know is the one from the movies. Batman has a huge network of allies and sidekicks. Its like House. Its always about him but you need a team of doctors, Cuddy, Wilson and the patients to give you the various situations and discussions for character development.
We re just getting started on the rogues gallery, but how many times can Batman catch the same dudes before it gets stale? That's why they keep giving him new sidekicks throughout the years.
d) Because it places Bruce in a different situation where we get to see him act as a mentor and a father. Its something other than: "OMG, where are these clues leading me?", or "goddamnit Catwoman i love you but i have to lock you up. Why did i fall in love with a thief?", or "ESCALAZIONZ".

Robin plays a huge part in the Batman mythos. You have every right to hate him, but at least give him a chance before you judge him. I am willing to bet that most of you have only seen him in the movies or in an issue or two that you happened to read. You're interested in Batman, right? So why dont you guys pick up the comics and start following the canon story there? You'll inevitably be exposed to Robin and sooner or later you'll come to love him and appreciate him. If not Dick or Tim, then certainly Damian.

[Dark Phantom]

^ Well-put Mr.Earle. I agree with you 100%

[Dark Phantom]

double post

[Two-Face]

I don't believe in Dick Grayson.

[Mr. Earle]

^ Well-put Mr.Earle. I agree with you 100%Thank you!

[ROFLCARTER]

Robin? No. Dick Grayson? Yes. Bruce Wayne taking in a 16 year old is perfectly acceptable acceptable for Nolan. I wouldn't want to see him as Robin (the costume sucks balls), but as a new character to play with and unravel the mystery that is Batman and his identities would come across well, I think.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Robin? No. Dick Grayson? Yes. Bruce Wayne taking in a 16 year old is perfectly acceptable acceptable for Nolan. I wouldn't want to see him as Robin (the costume sucks balls), but as a new character to play with and unravel the mystery that is Batman and his identities would come across well, I think.

16 year old???

I dont know...the idea of a grown man taking in a teen boy of that age just seems wrong.

7 to 12 sounds about right.

[ROFLCARTER]

I don't think it would be weird at all. 16 is just the age where he's young enough to be taken in and old enough to not come across as cheesy. A kid with some level on adult intelligence would be much better. Besides, at 16, a much better actor could be given the role. Someone who can add to the serious tone.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I don't think it would be weird at all. 16 is just the age where he's young enough to be taken in and old enough to not come across as cheesy. A kid with some level on adult intelligence would be much better. Besides, at 16, a much better actor could be given the role. Someone who can add to the serious tone.

"Robin" is a KID sidekick.The Boy wonder.

Thats how he was originally presented.

Yes he grows in the role, but I would find if hard to swallow if he was introduced as a 16 year old , with all the rebellious nature that comes with a tean boy of that age.

Batman and Robin share a "symbolic" father sone relationship.

None of that can really be archived with any level of believability with a 16 year old character.

At 16 he's old enough to be on his own.