The DCU Animation Thread.

[RogueDK]

I want a Hardware or JSA animated series now. When is someone going to give Hourman some decent screen time? :cmad:

[RockSP]

When is someone going to give Hourman some decent screen time? :cmad:

Maybe he'll show up on Brave and Bold.

[RogueDK]

^^^I hope so; B'Wana Beast got more exposure in Timm's and Tucker's version and Hourman can't? That's criminal.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd love to see Hourman get some screen time. Any Hourman, really.

[BlackLantern]

when B'wana Beast showed up on JLU, I was like wuh?? any of the charter members of the JSA I'd be cool with....

[TheCorpulent1]

I would've preferred Animal Man. But B'Wanna Beast was fun.

[SoulManX]

SCREW THIS...I want Power Girl on B:B&B kids needs some T&A :o

[BlackLantern]

SCREW THIS...I want Power Girl on B:B&B kids needs some T&A :o

that's what Huntress is for....I would like to see some Power Girl get some screen time somewhere

[RogueDK]

SCREW THIS...I want Power Girl on B:B&B kids needs some T&A :o
You'll be a great dad someday... :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

I saw there is a thread for Brave and the Bold in the Bat Forums....how is it in there?

[RogueDK]

^^^Pretty much positive.

[SoulManX]

You'll be a great dad someday... :hehe:

Damn right:o

[Sawyer]

You know what just occured to me, out of nowhere? I would love to see Bruce Timm do Indiana Jones: The Animated Series in the style of BTAS. I think it would be a fantastic fit, and would make a great series.

[Anubis]

Yeah, that probably would be pretty awesome.

[RogueDK]

I could be wrong on this but Spielberg seems to be very territorial with his creations so I would think that if he isn't in full control of the project, it wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting done.

It would be a great idea if it came to fruition via Bruce Timm though...

[SoulManX]

You know what just occured to me, out of nowhere? I would love to see Bruce Timm do Indiana Jones: The Animated Series in the style of BTAS. I think it would be a fantastic fit, and would make a great series.

I have mix feeling on this...

[RockSP]

I could be wrong on this but Spielberg seems to be very territorial with his creations so I would think that if he isn't in full control of the project, it wouldn't have a chance in hell of getting done.

Lucas is in the mix there somewhere as well.

[RogueDK]

Lucas is in the mix there somewhere as well.
Well we all know that George Lucas is territorial with his properties which only minimizes the chances...

[Panthro]

I want a Hardware or JSA animated series now. When is someone going to give Hourman some decent screen time? :cmad:
JSA done right could equal all kinds of awesome.

So, any word on when season 1 of Batman: The Brave & The Bold will hit the DVD shelves?

[Mogwai]

is the green lantern mythos big enough to support a series?

[Anubis]

Or course.

[TheCorpulent1]

After 40 to 60 years of comics, pretty much all major characters' mythoi (yeah, apparently that's the plural of "mythos") are big enough to support a series. Quite a few of the minor characters' are, too.

[RogueDK]

is the green lantern mythos big enough to support a series?
Absolutely. :word:

[Panthro]

is the green lantern mythos big enough to support a series?
Naturally.

[VampElvis]

Oh yeah the GLs are there. Heck they even crossed over into the Static Shock cartoon without any explanation and everyone got it.

[ChickenScratch]

is the green lantern mythos big enough to support a series?

Yes, very much so. It's a universe spanning space opera with a story as big as Star Wars or Star Trek. There's enough GL story for decades of TV.

I see it as a cross between Star Trek and Knights of the round table.

[Sawyer]

Well we all know that George Lucas is territorial with his properties which only minimizes the chances...

...of them actually being good. :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

Booster Gold and Vandal Savage tonight

[Anubis]

Good ass ep. I love Brave and the Bold. I LOVE IT!!!!!

[NightBeetle]

'Best thing since sliced bread''

Paul Reubens + Bat-Mite = WIN

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[Anubis]

Holy Crap, Catman.

[VampElvis]

Booster Gold and Vandal Savage tonight
Why didn't they call him Vandal Savage? Is there some weird rights conundrum around the character?

[BlackLantern]

Why didn't they call him Vandal Savage? Is there some weird rights conundrum around the character?

Not sure....

[cerealkiller182]

haha the scene with the fans is funny

[RockSP]

Why didn't they call him Vandal Savage? Is there some weird rights conundrum around the character?

Yeah I was wondering that myself. They used Savage on the JL toon...

[RogueDK]

Last ep's B&B was pretty good; it had its moments but nothing that stands out much compared to earlier ones shown. I like Skeets more than I do Booster Gold anyway.

Game Over For Owlman remains hands down the best one thus far. Maybe next season will have an ep that'll trump that one.

[Orb]

haha the scene with the fans is funny

You can see a Dark Knight-like bat-costume there.

[BlackLantern]

Tom Everett Scott makes Booster Gold....it's great that he came back to voice the character

[VampElvis]

Was that Billy West doing Skeets?

[BlackLantern]

yes

[RogueDK]

Wow. I loved tonight's ep of Brave & The Bold!

If tonight's ep wasn't a love letter to the Adam West series then I don't know what is. Especially the pre-teaser. :word:

Great to see the Dick Sprang-ish Robin make his appearance finally.


WELCOME BACK OLD SCHOOL BATMAN!

[Prison Mike]

tonight's episode with robin was pretty good. I liked the tension between the two

[Anubis]

I thought Robin was acting a bit like a douche. Very Jason Todd.

[BlackLantern]

well Dick rotated tires on the BatMobile....Jason Todd tried to STEAL tires off the BatMobile

[Prison Mike]

so in this series, robin never becomes nightwing but moves to a different city and retains his robin persona? then what's the point of getting on his own if he still has that sidekick name?

[BlackLantern]

so in this series, robin never becomes nightwing but moves to a different city and retains his robin persona? then what's the point of getting on his own if he still has that sidekick name?

I'm guessing to give the audience a bit of continuity, for those who don't know the whole backstory.....if the show goes for a bit, we'd probably see him change over to Nightwing....as long as its not the very first Nightwing costume, Ill be ok

[Metamorpho1977]

so in this series, robin never becomes nightwing but moves to a different city and retains his robin persona? then what's the point of getting on his own if he still has that sidekick name?

If you go by Kingdom Come, at some point, he goes back to the Robin identity.

[RogueDK]

I thought Robin was acting a bit like a douche. Very Jason Todd.
Yeah, a little like Jase because I thought that too.
From what I remember reading in the books back in the day when Robin was going through those "growing pains" so to speak; his demeanor is fairly accurate.


His pout-face in the sidecar was hilarious.

[batnkevlar]

I liek the show, I just don't like the references to the old 60's Batman show... I mean, that's what ruined Batman for 40 years up to Batman Begins... I have a hard time convincing people comics aren't for kids when they remember "BAM! POW! BIFF!"

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I liek the show, I just don't like the references to the old 60's Batman show... I mean, that's what ruined Batman for 40 years up to Batman Begins... I have a hard time convincing people comics aren't for kids when they remember "BAM! POW! BIFF!"

I'm not a fan of the 60's series at all. But, if anything, it SAVED Batman. Without that series, Batman wouldn't have been as popular and mainstream, and classic villains like The Penguin, The Riddler, and Mr. Freeze would still be riding the train of eternal obscurity.

[RogueDK]

I liek the show, I just don't like the references to the old 60's Batman show... I mean, that's what ruined Batman for 40 years up to Batman Begins... I have a hard time convincing people comics aren't for kids when they remember "BAM! POW! BIFF!"
The Schumacher films did more to damage Batman than the 60s show ever could.:whatever: I'm not sure why Adam West & Co. get all of the hate; the show was awesome for what it was.

I love Tucker's references, in this incarnation, to it. :word:

[Anubis]

This has a nice mix of the 60's and the modern if you ask me. Even a loser villain like Crazy Quilt got a little edge added to him. For all intents and purposes, Robin should have been dead after he knocked that building on him, then blasted it again with the Rainbow cannon. I mean, I actually got the feeling he was really trying to kill the little bastard.

Also, to add to the Nightwing thing, Earth 2 robin never went the nightwing route, he kept the Robin persona for the rest of his career. Even after he went off on his own. I mean technically, Robin is his creation, not Batman's. I always wondered why Dick never made a real fuss about Bat's giving his mantle to random kids.

[RogueDK]

This may already have been posted elsewhere here but the trailer for the dtv Batman/Superman PUBLIC ENEMIES is now up. The style is very Ed McGuiness looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_OvtI_qMig

[Hush]

That looks pretty ****ing sweet!

[RogueDK]

That looks pretty ****ing sweet!
And Conroy is supposed to reprise his role as Bats. Hopefully Clancy Brown and Tim Daly will return to their respective roles as well. I wish. :word:

[RockSP]

George whathisname would probably return before Daly.

[TheCorpulent1]

Newbern.

I didn't really like the Batman and Robin episode of Brave and the Bold. Dick never really got good to me until he became Nightwing. Plus, I always thought the Earth-2 Robin costume looked really, really stupid. And Dick was super-whiny, which irritated me. I don't mind the retro style or tone of Brave and the Bold, but when they start taking whole schticks from the '60s TV show, it becomes annoying.

[RogueDK]

I don't mind the retro style or tone of Brave and the Bold, but when they start taking whole schticks from the '60s TV show, it becomes annoying.
No it doesn't. But I can understand your misgivings. If you were never a big fan of the 60s show, then I can see this being somewhat grating for you.

I love the mixture of new and old. :word:

[04nbod]

Also, to add to the Nightwing thing, Earth 2 robin never went the nightwing route, he kept the Robin persona for the rest of his career. Even after he went off on his own. I mean technically, Robin is his creation, not Batman's. I always wondered why Dick never made a real fuss about Bat's giving his mantle to random kids.

I know, its weird its become Batman's legacy character when really its Dick's. I also find it weird that no-one appreciates Robin as a single heroic identity with as much history and significance as the Batman himself. Its not like they called him Bat-boy like they probably would from the 50's to today, they made a separate character. In a lot of ways the old comics are so much better for character than today.

[bryanss3]

This may already have been posted elsewhere here but the trailer for the dtv Batman/Superman PUBLIC ENEMIES is now up. The style is very Ed McGuiness looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_OvtI_qMig

I wish Doomsday stuck to the source material as much as this looks like it is.I wish they'd redo Doomsday but I wouldn't want that to take away from another character getting a DTV

[BlueLightning]

It would have been worse if they did Doomsday closer to the source, it is way to complicated.

[bryanss3]

good point, but they could have made it make a little more sense. there was a lot of good stuff there it just didn't feel like what it was supposed to be to me and a lot of people.

[TheCorpulent1]

I just wish they'd found a way to incorporate Steel, the Eradicator, Superboy, and Hank Henshaw into Doomsday. The Death of Superman story was pretty boring, but those four characters made the aftermath work. I actually liked them.

[Hush]

Speaking of Superboy, Public Enemies will be the first time we see him get animated, that I know of.

[KBX]

You positive SuperBoy will be in Public Enemies?

[Anubis]

Yeah, that's an awfully big assumption considering any other chance they had to use him they, you know, didn't.

[BlackLantern]

the only other characters I saw were Lex and Major Force

[Hush]

Im not positive but it is the scene where its revealed that Hawkman is actually Batman. So im assuming that they kept it in. This would also mean that we maybe get a Nightwing, Robin, Huntress and Steel appearance. Oh and that wierd Supergirl.

[KBX]

Its going to be interesting to see what they cut out. If Superboy does show up, if they keep the Hawkman, Captain Marvel fight, what are they going to do with Supergirl? A lot to happen in a 75minute movie....

[BlackLantern]

Im not positive but it is the scene where its revealed that Hawkman is actually Batman. So im assuming that they kept it in. This would also mean that we maybe get a Nightwing, Robin, Huntress and Steel appearance. Oh and that wierd Supergirl.

but those are two different scenes that come together....the Bat and S families are really only involved for like 10 minutes....Ill take the fight between Batman/Superman v Hawkman/Captain Marvel if they decide to leave everyone else out of the white house raid scene

[Hush]

See i might say that expect i really want to see all those characters animated again.

[TheCorpulent1]

It would be great if the ancillary Superman and Batman characters showed up. Kara could always be substituted for Cir-El. It's not like the story has to be 100% faithful to the comic.

[Hush]

Yeah that would be nice but i get the feeling they may show us the ship opening at the end of the movie to tease us.

[TheCorpulent1]

I just hope Captain Atom kicks some ass. Dude never gets any respect.

[BlackLantern]

I just hope Captain Atom kicks some ass. Dude never gets any respect.

He got some love in JLU

[TheCorpulent1]

He was pretty cool. Superman beat the living s*** out of him, though. And he was a total government tool.

[Hush]

Yeah well that is pretty much exactly what he is in Public Enemies.

[RogueDK]

Tonight's ep of Batman: The Brave & The Bold was good, campy fun!

I'm not a huge fan of Bat-Mite by a longshot but he worked well in something this light-hearted.

I particularly loved the parody of a parody that they did from the old Duck Twacy/Dick Tracy cartoon short with Daffy Duck. Those old enough to remember that one will easily recognize the reference with BM. :cwink:

I enjoyed the different style Bats: Kelley Jones, Frank Miller , Nolan Batman and the Adam West one. :funny:

Also, I loved the way that they addressed fanboys of the other Batman incarnations in that comic convention segment that are opposed to this latest one.

Can someone please tell me why Mr. Freeze was referred to as Mr. Zero? Did I miss something? :huh:

All in all, not a great episode but fun and endearing to a point. :word:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah well that is pretty much exactly what he is in Public Enemies.
Unfortunately. But it does lead to the awesome, non-government-tool version in Captain Atom: Armageddon, so it's okay. :)

[deathshead2]

Tonight's ep of Batman: The Brave & The Bold was good, campy fun!

I'm not a huge fan of Bat-Mite by a longshot but he worked well in something this light-hearted.

I particularly loved the parody of a parody that they did from the old Duck Twacy/Dick Tracy cartoon short with Daffy Duck. Those old enough to remember that one will easily recognize the reference with BM. :cwink:

I enjoyed the different style Bats: Kelley Jones, Frank Miller , Nolan Batman and the Adam West one. :funny:

Also, I loved the way that they addressed fanboys of the other Batman incarnations in that comic convention segment that are opposed to this latest one.

Can someone please tell me why Mr. Freeze was referred to as Mr. Zero? Did I miss something? :huh:

All in all, not a great episode but fun and endearing to a point. :word:
I caught the Duck Tracy reference. I was born in the 90s but I remember seeing that in reruns.
Mr. Zero was what they used to call Mr.Freeze.
Did you catch Bruce Timm as the Joker at the Con?

[RogueDK]

I caught the Duck Tracy reference. I was born in the 90s but I remember seeing that in reruns.

Very cool. Good to know there are younger generations that appreciate those oldies from WB. :word:


Did you catch Bruce Timm as the Joker at the Con?
I saw that but did not make the connection right away. AWESOME. :word::word::batman:

[Anubis]

AW s**t, I missed it. Now I gotta get up early in the morning to try and catch the rerun. And I've already started my evening drinking. :(

[RockSP]

I particularly loved the parody of a parody that they did from the old Duck Twacy/Dick Tracy cartoon short with Daffy Duck.

Heh heh. Yeah that was kinda funny.

[Dread]

For the record, I still am watching BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD. Some of the episodes are hit or miss, but it's a fun guilty pleasure. The Bat-Mite episode was a lot of fun, one of Dini's better episodes of the last few years.

This may already have been posted elsewhere here but the trailer for the dtv Batman/Superman PUBLIC ENEMIES is now up. The style is very Ed McGuiness looking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_OvtI_qMig

Methinks DC wants to have their version of a fanboy pleasing HULK VS. type project, and I guess you can't go wrong with a BATMAN/SUPERMAN feature in the style of the first arc from the WORLD'S FINEST relaunch. The Ed McGuiness style looks good, and gosh, so many villains. Even Bane!

Looks good. To be honest DC could do worse then wanting to mimic what made HULK VS. rock. Which was, gasp, slavish nods to the fans and what they want. Least so long as it didn't involve Hulk losing to Thor. :o

I am curious who they are casting for this; if DC was going for pure fanboy joygasm, Conroy & Newburn would be locks. But who knows; they do like seeing these as more separate features by avoiding actors they cast in the past. Granted, when they smelled "cash in" for GOTHAM KNIGHTS, they recast Conroy as Batman to try to cement it anyway. Hell, Newburn got to play Superman for a few episodes in THE BATMAN's last season.

[Panthro]

I wouldn't mind having Tim Daly come back for Superman in Public Enemies. I would hate to have for "Brainiac Attacks" to be his last go around as Superman's voice.

[RogueDK]

I wouldn't mind having Tim Daly come back for Superman in Public Enemies. I would have for "Brainiac Attacks" to be his last go around as Superman's voice.
I swear I was about to post the same thing; I prefer Daly's voiceovers more than I ever did Newbern. Add in Clancy Brown and that would bring the trio full circle. :word:

For me it's a 90s thing I guess...

[Panthro]

I swear I was about to post the same thing; I prefer Daly's voiceovers more than I ever did Newbern. Add in Clancy Brown and that would bring the trio full circle. :word:

For me it's a 90s thing I guess...
Yeah, that would be cool to get Clancy Brown back as well. And add in Dana Delany as Lois Lane.

I wouldn't be opposed to hearing Jonathan Frakes voice Superman either.

[Sawyer]

What I really want is for Bruce Timm and co. to give STAS the Batman: Gotham Knights treatment. I'd love for a new Supes series in the DCAU continuity.

[RogueDK]

What I really want is for Bruce Timm and co. to give STAS the Batman: Gotham Knights treatment.
:facepalm

[Sawyer]

:facepalm

Not in terms of ****** redesigns... I just want another ****ing Superman series.

:facepalm to you.

[RogueDK]

Not in terms of ****** redesigns... I just want another ****ing Superman series.

:facepalm to you.
But you had to pick that movie to make your point? You could have said WW, JL: Frontier, etc. but you didn't.
You're the one that made it so specific and since you brought that particular title up, the redesigns from that incarnation go without saying. No need to be touchy.

[Sawyer]

But you had to pick that movie to make your point? You could have said WW, JL: Frontier, etc. but you didn't.
You're the one that made it so specific and since you brought that particular title up, the redesigns from that incarnation go without saying. No need to be touchy.

Uhh... because neither of those were relevant to what I was saying. :huh:

I want a sequel series to STAS. Gotham Knights was a sequel series to BTAS.

[RogueDK]

Uhh... because neither of those were relevant to what I was saying.



I want a sequel series to STAS. Gotham Knights was a sequel series to BTAS.




No, it wasn't. It was a loose prequel to The Dark Knight. :whatever:

[Anubis]

Yeah, it was.

[Sawyer]

No, it wasn't. It was a loose prequel to The Dark Knight. :whatever:

Oh, Jesus H. Christ....

Gotham Knights...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Gotham_Knights_(TV_series)

Gotham Knight...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Gotham_Knight

:facepalm

[RogueDK]

From your link:

Batman: Gotham Knight (バットマン: ゴッサムナイト Battoman: Gossamu Naito) is a 2008 animated direct-to-DVD anthology film of six animated short films set in-between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.



The DCAU movies are stand alones at best. The continuity isn't in time with the 90s series.

[Sawyer]

The DCAU movies are stand alones at best. The continuity isn't in time with the 90s series.

Again... not a movie. Series.

And, yes, it was in continuity with BTAS, STAS, Batman Beyond and Justice League.

[Anubis]

The fact that Killer Croc was a dude with a jet pack should be proof enough. Stop using Wikipedia. It's "facts" can often make you look like an idiot.

[RogueDK]

Again... not a movie. Series.

And, yes, it was in continuity with BTAS, STAS, Batman Beyond and Justice League.
I'm talking about Gotham Knight the movie, not STAS.

[Sawyer]

Okay, once again, for those of you that cant see that this isnt rocket science...Oh, Jesus H. Christ....

Gotham Knights...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Gotham_Knights_(TV_series)


^THIS is what I was talking about.

Gotham Knight...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_Gotham_Knight

:facepalm

^THIS is what you thought I was talking about.

Two completely different things! Okay? :)

[Anubis]

Yeah, that says there is no Batman Gotham Knights series.

Did you mean this, maybe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Batman_Adventures

[RogueDK]

Yeah, that says there is no Batman Gotham Knights series.


Yeah I was wondering wtf he got that myself...



Two completely different things! Okay? :)
There was never any harm done, but I detest BGK. It's awful and I wouldn't want any Superman that I know end up looking like this:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/vlcsnap-359626.png

[Sawyer]

Yeah, that says there is no Batman Gotham Knights series.

Gee, I wonder why that is... huh, maybe someone went on wikipedia and changed it, because litterally five minutes ago, I searched for it and found it just fine. :whatever: Either way....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Batman_Adventures

That's what I'm talking about. The New Batman Adevuntures (also commonly referred to as Batman: Gotham Knights.)

[Anubis]

Couldn't be commonly referred to as Batman: Gotham Knights considering nobody knew wtf you were talking about. (whisper)Weirdo

[RogueDK]

Well STAS had that angular, crisp look a couple of years before The New Batman Adventures aired in 1998. So he sort of had that treatment, as you put it,already...

[Anubis]

Yeah, back when they made it the Superman/Batman hour or whatever they called it. So, STAS already had that. I believe that was season 3.
How about you just say you wish they would continue with the Timmverse and we can be done with this.....pointless....conversation.

[Sawyer]

Sure...

:cmad:

[RogueDK]

How about you just say you wish they would continue with the Timmverse and we can be done with this.....pointless....conversation.
I concur. :hehe:

[Anubis]

Eh, i'm enjoying this new Brave and the Bold thank you very much. :o

[Sawyer]

Couldn't be commonly referred to as Batman: Gotham Knights considering nobody knew wtf you were talking about. (whisper)Weirdo

The conversation is over, but I'm not sure the two of you qualify as everyone. I'm sure there are a few other people that refer to it as Gotham Knights...

Dont need to be rude.

[The Squirrel]

I'm watching JLU: Season 1 on DVD again. Such a good show.

[Anubis]

Okay then, we'll ask the next five posters that post here and see what they say.

[Sawyer]

Okay, this is actually starting to drive me crazy. Squirrel, you've heard of the second BTAS being reffered to as Batman: Gotham Knights, right?

[Anubis]

Hey you! Squirrel!

Did you call the New Batman Adventures (that revamped [but still part of the Timmverse Continuity]Batman that came on a few years after Batman the Animated Series went of the air) Batman: Gotham Knights?

[The Squirrel]

Hey you! Squirrel!

Did you call the New Batman Adventures (that revamped [but still part of the Timmverse Continuity]Batman that came on a few years after Batman the Animated Series went of the air) Batman: Gotham Knights?

Okay, this is actually starting to drive me crazy. Squirrel, you've heard of the second BTAS being reffered to as Batman: Gotham Knights, right?

I actually have heard of that once.

[RogueDK]

Okay, this is actually starting to drive me crazy. Squirrel, you've heard of the second BTAS being reffered to as Batman: Gotham Knights, right?
You know had you just said BTAS SEASON 4 or Volume 4 instead of trying to be fancy with it, we'd have had a smoother conversation.

You know good and well that you've never seen that cartoon with that title onscreen...

Still, it's cool...

[Sawyer]

YES!

That's 1. Okay, now we play the waiting game...

[Anubis]

We wait.....

[Sawyer]

You know had you just said BTAS SEASON 4 or Volume 4 instead of trying to be fancy with it, we'd have had a smoother conversation.

You know good and well that you've never seen that cartoon with that title onscreen...

Still, it's cool...

True, but that's like asking me to call JLU Justice League season three... it's just what I've been calling it.

But as long as its cool... :up:

[BlackLantern]

Ive heard the term 'Gotham Knights' used in reference to the BTAS run when it was moved to WB, but Ive never used it....its in the vein of the Marvel fans who use the term '616'....as no writers or artists use it in reference to the Marvel U

[HoodedAvenger12]

At TV.com they list it as Gotham Knights also:

http://www.tv.com/batman-gotham-knights/show/5420/summary.html?q=batman&tag=search_results;title;4

[BlackLantern]

if im reading it right its essentially the WB run of B:TAS, they just changed the title....it was 'The New Batman Adventures', then they had 'The Superman/Batman Adventures' which was Superman:TAS and Batman in a one hour block

[RogueDK]

^^^That is correct.

[The Squirrel]

I wouldn't mind having Tim Daly come back for Superman in Public Enemies. I would hate to have for "Brainiac Attacks" to be his last go around as Superman's voice.

Didn't he voice Superman in The Batman series as well?

[RogueDK]

Didn't he voice Superman in The Batman series as well?
No.

I believe the only reason that Daly didn't reprise the role in JLU, was because he was doing The Fugitive tv series around that time.

[Sawyer]

Newbern is the one that voiced Supes in The Batman.

[Hush]

Gotham knights was primarily used to promote the toy line based off the 4th season of Batman.

[Dread]

I saw GOTHAM KNIGHTS as just an additional way to cash in on THE DARK KNIGHT.

And indeed, George Newburn has voiced Superman in JUSTICE LEAGUE, JLU, and for his appearances in STATIC SHOCK and THE BATMAN in the last season. Tim Daly reprised the role for SUPERMAN: BRAINIAC ATTACKS, which was so terrible even I couldn't sit through it on TV. And I've sat through SPIDER-MAN UNLIMITED for heaven's sake.

While I am likely going to get GREEN LANTERN: FIRST FLIGHT (I skipped WONDER WOMAN, since I was never a fan of hers), I am interested in SUPERMAN/BATMAN: PUBLIC ENEMIES. Part of me wonders if this special may suffer from some of the same dilemmas that SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY did. Not so much as not being faithful to the comic series which which it was loosely based on, but because Bruce Timm has essentially covered a similar storyline via his 14 years on TV with DCUA. I mean, episodes of S:TAS and JLU covered much of what was in SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY and Timm ended up repeating some of his Bizarro episode stuff in that without realizing it (according to the commentary). Well, in JLU, Timm & Co. did approach a "President Luthor" type storyline. Luthor was running for office, busy framing the JLU for stuff and making Superman lose it in public to ruin his image a little, was basically funding metahuman response methods against them, and so on. SUPERMAN/BATMAN: PUBLIC ENEMIES does have the risk of going over some of that ground if the story is not careful. The animation style is closer to the SUPERMAN/BATMAN comic storyline, though, and in that story Luthor actually successfully does become President (albeit is impeached after trying to kill the duo with his wonky green armor).

Still, I am interested.

[Hush]

I think that Public Enemies is going to be the best DTV to date.

[Dread]

As I said earlier, it reminds me a little of HULK VS. in which the aim of the DTV is for the hardcore fan and the aim of the story is just to provide a lot of feel good action with recognizable heroes and villains rather than to try to remake the wheel or other pretensions. Which really isn't a bad thing to be honest. DC claimed that fans were the true targets of these, after all. The Loeb story that this DTV is being based on had a bit of that. I mean, what can be more crowd pleasing than Batman & Superman teaming up to pummel a punch of big name villains like Bane, Grundy, virtually the entire "Legion of Doom" and Luthor himself?

Hopefully Luthor's rise to the presidency and vilification of Superman in the story is made to make sense. While declaring Batman a public enemy shouldn't be too hard, as many in Gotham (aside for Commissioner Gordon) consider him a vigilante and even a lunatic at worst, Superman is a harder pickle.

Ed McGuiness' style looked pretty good in motion.

I did like how the Bat-Mite episode of BRAVE AND THE BOLD seemed to try to answer some criticism about the show being too "light" for Batman.

[Hush]

Well if you remember in the book it is already established that Luthor had won the presidency and now was just going through his devious motions in such a postion of power. I just hope they some how retain the though bubbles from the books and use them as a narration of sorts. Switching between Newber (hopefully) and Conroy. I think we are going to see the first meeting of Clark and Bruce cut though.

[WompuM]

That's such a good scene. I hope its not cut.

[Hush]

Yeah but it really adds nothing to the story. It would be a scene i would cut.

[Dread]

To be honest, it is about time both Marvel and DC got past the 75 minute barrier for their animated releases. Many stories are hard to tell without a more "movie" length of about 90 minutes. Japan releases a LUPIN THE THIRD TV special every summer that is 90 minutes and some of those are packed to the gills (and that franchise stars only about five characters, most of them amusing ciphers). The only thing holding JUSTICE LEAGUE: THE NEW FRONTIER from "great" to "epic" was another 15-20 minutes to BREATHE. Some stories need those small memorable scenes intact. These aren't music video's here. Especially if it was from an era when Jeph Loeb could actually write something that wasn't drivel.

IMDB.com claims Kevin Conroy has been recast as Batman, but they've been infamously wrong before on pre-production rumors (once casting Hawkeye in ULTIMATE AVENGERS 2), so I won't believe any real casting rumors until official stuff is announced, which should be around when GREEN LANTERN: FIRST FLIGHT is about to be released on July 28th.

Hopefully this is the sort of feel-good adventure that DC likely wants it to be; Batman & Superman teaming up to fight bad guys. And to think, this could have been done in live action if only WB was more patient and less incompetent.

[Sawyer]

To be honest, it is about time both Marvel and DC got past the 75 minute barrier for their animated releases. Many stories are hard to tell without a more "movie" length of about 90 minutes. Japan releases a LUPIN THE THIRD TV special every summer that is 90 minutes and some of those are packed to the gills (and that franchise stars only about five characters, most of them amusing ciphers). The only thing holding JUSTICE LEAGUE: THE NEW FRONTIER from "great" to "epic" was another 15-20 minutes to BREATHE. Some stories need those small memorable scenes intact. These aren't music video's here. Especially if it was from an era when Jeph Loeb could actually write something that wasn't drivel.

IMDB.com claims Kevin Conroy has been recast as Batman, but they've been infamously wrong before on pre-production rumors (once casting Hawkeye in ULTIMATE AVENGERS 2), so I won't believe any real casting rumors until official stuff is announced, which should be around when GREEN LANTERN: FIRST FLIGHT is about to be released on July 28th.

Hopefully this is the sort of feel-good adventure that DC likely wants it to be; Batman & Superman teaming up to fight bad guys. And to think, this could have been done in live action if only WB was more patient and less incompetent.

Agreed. I dont think it would hurt to bump the running times to about 85-90 minutes.

[BlackLantern]

it's also a budget issue...WB only gives them X amount of money per production, so that affects run time...if they get a DTV that is a HUGE hit then that may change and we might get longer movies

[RogueDK]

^^^That is correct.

Also studios don't want to invest too much in hand-drawn animated projects nowadays when CGI features are such the rage with contemporary audiences.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'd take a CGI DTV movie if it's cheaper than hand-drawn animation.

[Anubis]

As long as it's good CGI.

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, we'd probably end up with really lame CGI. :csad:

[RogueDK]

Like Nube said: If it's good CGI and in my book "mind-blowing". Otherwise...no thank you.:whatever:

I much prefer the more organic look of hand drawn cartoons.

[Panthro]

Yeah I was wondering wtf he got that myself...




There was never any harm done, but I detest BGK. It's awful and I wouldn't want any Superman that I know end up looking like this:

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/vlcsnap-359626.png
Would you accept a Superman who looked like this -

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/8-2-B-4-9-5/BruceWayneGothamKnight.jpg
Not as grim and not using a gun of course.

[BlackLantern]

No...

[Sawyer]

Eh... I kinda like it. But, yeah, no to that being Superman.

[Etienne]

Finally got around to watching B&B's Legends of the Dark Mite and The Color of Revenge, both of which get two :up::up: from me.

The Dark Mite episode was all sorts of fun and filled with awesome references.

Paul Reubens was PERFECTO as the voice of Bat-Mite! :word:

The costume changes.

Bruce Timm as The Joker with Paul Dini as Harley. Timm's reaction and response to campy Batman "Meh". :funny:

What a great old school reference to Daffy Duck's "The Great Piggy Bank Robbery".

The BTAS reference with Bat-Mite on the rooftop and the lightning strike behind him.
http://i42.tinypic.com/s31y85.jpg

As a Robin/Dick Grayson fan I thoroughly enjoyed The Color of Revenge.
Writer Todd Casey made Crazy Quilt into a surprisingly threatening, dangerous villain. I've always loved the Father/Son dynamic between Batman and Robin and this episode has it. :up: The mere mention of Blüdhaven had me giddy like a school girl...er boy. Also loved the take down by Robin on Grundy, clever and affective. The Color of Revenge is easily one of my favorite episodes of B&B right up there with The Red Hood/Joker episodes (Deep Cover For Batman/Game Over For Owlman).

BATMAN: "I thought you liked the sidecar."
ROBIN: "Yeah, when I was 8."
:hehe:

[Etienne]

You know had you just said BTAS SEASON 4 or Volume 4 instead of trying to be fancy with it, we'd have had a smoother conversation.

You know good and well that you've never seen that cartoon with that title onscreen...
To be fair Rogue, I used to rarely see "The New Batman Adventures" listed onscreen. Like Lantern said, Kids WB used to combine TNBA/STAS and refer to it as "The New Batman/Superman Adventures".

The New Batman Adventures is sometimes considered separate from BTAS, heck even IMDB has it listed separately. I agree with Sawyer on this one, I have heard TNBA referred to as "Gotham Knights" or "Batman: Gotham Knights".

[RogueDK]

To be fair Rogue, I used to rarely see "The New Batman Adventures" listed onscreen. Like Lantern said, Kids WB used to combine TNBA/STAS and refer to it as "The New Batman/Superman Adventures".

The New Batman Adventures is sometimes considered separate from BTAS, heck even IMDB has it listed separately. I agree with Sawyer on this one, I have heard TNBA referred to as "Gotham Knights" or "Batman: Gotham Knights".
Despite all of the madness from which title is referred to more, out of all four volumes of BTAS, Vol. 4(TNBA ), is my favorite. I know that some fans don't like connecting those seasons to the earlier ones but damn if the artwork and production aren't a step up from the other 3.

To be partially fair to Sawyer, there is an ep in that volume titled Gotham Knights and I believe that it revolved around a Christmas scenario with all of the lead characters?

I've never heard of that series on a whole being advertised as GKs though.

[RogueDK]

Would you accept a Superman who looked like this -

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/8-2-B-4-9-5/BruceWayneGothamKnight.jpg
Not as grim and not using a gun of course.
That was probably the best looking segment on the entire disc (and I'm not a huge fan of Anime by any means) but I really don't think that this design fits a universe as cheery as Superman's.

This looks a tad too gothic for Clark. :yay:

[BlueLightning]

I just wanted to say that "Legends of The Dark Mite!" is one of the best episodes of Brave and the Bold, by far. It is one of my favorites along "Deep Cover for Batman! " and "Game Over for Owlman". It was just so cleverly written. Paul Dini sure knows the Batman mythos, and this episode proved it.

I absolutely loved the part where Bat-Mite gave the reason of being of the show. I recommend al the "nay sayers" of this show to watch it. Maybe it can change some people's minds.

The part where Bat-Mite was changing the suits of Batman was hilarious. Let me check if I got them correctly:

- Batman & Dracula: Red Rain "Imposing, but too Dracula"
- Bat-Hombre "Too dashing"
- Adam West Batman "Too campy"
- Batman & Robin Batman Suit "Too icky"
- Zebra Batman (Thanks GamerSlyRatchet) "Too confusing"
- The Dark Knight Returns Batman "Too psycho!"

I just loved this episode, and cameo appareaces of The Joker, The Riddler, The Penguin, Catwoman, The Mad Hatter, and Mr. Freeze (Mr. Zero) made it perfect. Great episode, I hope Dini will write a little more of The Brave and The Bold.

[Dread]

I do agree that the style of BATMAN BRAVE AND THE BOLD seems to suit Dini's more recent DC cartoon writing habits. His episodes tended to be lighter fare in recent years, which clashed a bit when it was JLU, but works find for Bold.

[RogueDK]

I do agree that the style of BATMAN BRAVE AND THE BOLD seems to suit Dini's more recent DC cartoon writing habits. His episodes tended to be lighter fare in recent years, which clashed a bit when it was JLU, but works find for Bold.
Detective Comics seem to fit Dini as well since he doesn't stray much from the mythos like other pretentious hacks do.

Outside of 90s Jeph Loeb, Dini is the only other Batman writer that I can enjoy his work. He should and deserves to write more eps in this series.:word:

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I just wanted to say that "Legends of The Dark Mite!" is one of the best episodes of Brave and the Bold, by far. It is one of my favorites along "Deep Cover for Batman! " and "Game Over for Owlman". It was just so cleverly written. Paul Dini sure knows the Batman mythos, and this episode proved it.

I absolutely loved the part where Bat-Mite gave the reason of being of the show. I recommend al the "nay sayers" of this show to watch it. Maybe it can change some people's minds.

The part where Bat-Mite was changing the suits of Batman was hilarious. Let me check if I got them correctly:

- Batman & Dracula: Red Rain "Imposing, but too Dracula"
- Bat-Hombre "Too dashing"
- Adam West Batman "Too campy"
- Batman & Robin Batman Suit "Too icky"
- (Couldn't realize this one) "Too confusing"
- The Dark Knight Returns Batman "Too psycho!"

I just loved this episode, and cameo appareaces of The Joker, The Riddler, The Penguin, Catwoman, The Mad Hatter, and Mr. Freeze (Mr. Zero) made it perfect. Great episode, I hope Dini will write a little more of The Brave and The Bold.

The one you couldn't realize is "Zebra Batman", an appearance Batman briefly had while battling Zebra Man. That's why Bat-Mite said it was too confusing. The name has TWO animals.

BTW, what did y'all thought of last Friday's "Hail the Tornado Tyrant"?

[RogueDK]

BTW, what did y'all thought of last Friday's "Hail the Tornado Tyrant"?
I liked it; the ep took a more serious tone especially after the zany fun of the previous week but it was good. And predictable. :word:

[Etienne]

BTW, what did y'all thought of last Friday's "Hail the Tornado Tyrant"?
I didn't see the whole episode but I did like the car chase in the beginning and the appearance by Catwoman, even though I've never been a fan of the character.

[Dread]

"Hail the Tornado Tyrant!" was pretty sad. But a better Red Tornado episode than the last one. He didn't even blow up this time! :up:

[Panthro]

As I said earlier, it reminds me a little of HULK VS. in which the aim of the DTV is for the hardcore fan and the aim of the story is just to provide a lot of feel good action with recognizable heroes and villains rather than to try to remake the wheel or other pretensions.
I don't think Thor fans wanted Thor to get his ass kicked that badly though.

[Dread]

I don't think Thor fans wanted Thor to get his ass kicked that badly though.

Yeah, that did bother me. While it did serve the purpose of the story (since Hela's realm was involved and healing Thor gave Enchantress a way to try to redeem herself), the impression upon watching HULK VS. is that Wolverine can fight Hulk to a draw no matter what, even take a BOULDER thrown by THE HULK to the FOREHEAD and remain standing (and barely fazed I might add), but Thor would definitely lose. Granted, I chalked it up to popularity (much like in wrestling, it plays a big role in comic hero brawls) and the writers being less familiar with Thor than they are with Wolverine and the X-Men, who they have worked on TV wise since about 2002.

To be fair, Thor was facing a more powerful version of Hulk than Wolverine was. Wolverine was fighting the standard Hulk, while Thor at his juncture was taking on "Mindless Hulk", which is Hulk at his strongest. To use crude simple DRAGON BALL Z logic, it is akin to one character facing Goku at Super Saiyen Two and another at Super Saiyen Four. Or, perhaps for a Marvel comics example, akin to someone facing Nova back at his normal "Centaurian" level from, say, the New Warriors era, vs. facing him post-ANNIHILATION when he has the core of the Nova Force at his back. And while HULK VS. WOLVERINE was more of an extended battle sequence and not a story, I appreciated the story in HULK VS. THOR more.

Still, though, Hulk just overpowers anything, whether magic from gods or whatever, by screaming and charging forward, and it can get old. That is probably why I never read his comic for long. He's unbeatable. He's Superman without the weaknesses, once he's all powered up. Hulk only loses via story cheats like a "Hulk Killing Gun" someone has made, which usually fails to work anyway. The best way to beat him is to drain the gamma radiation from him, and there's no way Thor's hammer can do that.

Wait, it can? Nevermind.

Still, what I meant by HULK VS. was that it was a project made especially towards the comic fan, with more genuine versions of the characters vs. "Ultimate" versions.

And for the record, you KNOW that if Superman and Batman fight in such a DTV, there is no way Superman will win. Absolutely. No. Way. Popularity works for DC, too. That's part of what makes BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD funny; that show accepts Batman's complete ability to pull any gadget or obscure technique from his cape, and plays it often for laughs or for sheer absurdity.

[Panthro]

Yeah, that did bother me. While it did serve the purpose of the story (since Hela's realm was involved and healing Thor gave Enchantress a way to try to redeem herself), the impression upon watching HULK VS. is that Wolverine can fight Hulk to a draw no matter what, even take a BOULDER thrown by THE HULK to the FOREHEAD and remain standing (and barely fazed I might add), but Thor would definitely lose. Granted, I chalked it up to popularity (much like in wrestling, it plays a big role in comic hero brawls) and the writers being less familiar with Thor than they are with Wolverine and the X-Men, who they have worked on TV wise since about 2002.

If it were up to some writers, Wolverine & Spider-Man would both beat the crap out of Thor for no better reason than the simple fact that they're better known, even though Thor should easily overpower both of them based on purely on brute strength. I'll have to remember, the next time I commission an artist for a piece of art, to do a picture of Thor beating up both Wolverine & Spider-Man, oh the captions we could have with that... :grin:


To be fair, Thor was facing a more powerful version of Hulk than Wolverine was. Wolverine was fighting the standard Hulk, while Thor at his juncture was taking on "Mindless Hulk", which is Hulk at his strongest. To use crude simple DRAGON BALL Z logic, it is akin to one character facing Goku at Super Saiyen Two and another at Super Saiyen Four. Or, perhaps for a Marvel comics example, akin to someone facing Nova back at his normal "Centaurian" level from, say, the New Warriors era, vs. facing him post-ANNIHILATION when he has the core of the Nova Force at his back.

Well, I never watched an episode of Dragonball Z all the way through (I think I saw maybe one clip of Piccolo getting trashed, even losing a hand, and a Goku training segment, and that was ages ago) so I can't comment on all the Super Saiyen stuff. And while I don't want to annoy you Dread (I enjoy your reviews too much), the "regular/super Mindless" Hulk thing just doesn't do enough to quash my annoyance with the one-sided battle because the Hulk's always in some mindless state of rage, even when he's "regular mindless" for lack of a better term.


And while HULK VS. WOLVERINE was more of an extended battle sequence and not a story, I appreciated the story in HULK VS. THOR more.

Definitely. With Kari Wahlgren, Emma Frost's voice actress doing Amora the Enchantress no less.


Still, though, Hulk just overpowers anything, whether magic from gods or whatever, by screaming and charging forward, and it can get old. That is probably why I never read his comic for long. He's unbeatable. He's Superman without the weaknesses, once he's all powered up. Hulk only loses via story cheats like a "Hulk Killing Gun" someone has made, which usually fails to work anyway. The best way to beat him is to drain the gamma radiation from him, and there's no way Thor's hammer can do that.

Wait, it can? Nevermind.

It's more fun when Hulk's opponent can actually fight back and not get completely bulldozered.


Still, what I meant by HULK VS. was that it was a project made especially towards the comic fan, with more genuine versions of the characters vs. "Ultimate" versions.

Fair enough.


And for the record, you KNOW that if Superman and Batman fight in such a DTV, there is no way Superman will win. Absolutely. No. Way. Popularity works for DC, too.

Oh definitely. It's one of the reasons why, sometimes, it's actually kind of hard to like Batman. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time Superman was genuinely popular in the public eye, unless you count the seemingly endless "Smallville".


That's part of what makes BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD funny; that show accepts Batman's complete ability to pull any gadget or obscure technique from his cape, and plays it often for laughs or for sheer absurdity.
Can never go wrong with that.

[BlackLantern]

I like the lockpick in the fingers gadget....and also the Swiss Army Batmobile...that car does everything

[RockSP]

Lashina and Hex as a couple? Only on Brave and the Bold would we see something like this :hehe:

[Anubis]

New Brave and the Bold tonight. Not bad, but I can't say I care for the usage of the New Gods though.

[Dread]

If it were up to some writers, Wolverine & Spider-Man would both beat the crap out of Thor for no better reason than the simple fact that they're better known, even though Thor should easily overpower both of them based on purely on brute strength. I'll have to remember, the next time I commission an artist for a piece of art, to do a picture of Thor beating up both Wolverine & Spider-Man, oh the captions we could have with that... :grin:

The question would be, of course, who would win a Wolverine vs. Spider-Man fight in modern animation? The last time they tangled was in the 90's Spider-Man series, which was BS&P'd to death (although I recall Logan getting tossed around rather badly).

Well, I never watched an episode of Dragonball Z all the way through (I think I saw maybe one clip of Piccolo getting trashed, even losing a hand, and a Goku training segment, and that was ages ago) so I can't comment on all the Super Saiyen stuff. And while I don't want to annoy you Dread (I enjoy your reviews too much), the "regular/super Mindless" Hulk thing just doesn't do enough to quash my annoyance with the one-sided battle because the Hulk's always in some mindless state of rage, even when he's "regular mindless" for lack of a better term.

"Mindless Hulk" is without any mercy or compassion, and he never calms down. Of course, the Hulk's strength rises infinitely with his anger, and "Mindless Hulk" does that at a faster rate. "Normal" Hulk usually just wants to be left alone or reacts to whatever is immediately attacking him (or Banner). I do agree that the line is blurry, though. The intention was that Thor was fighting a stronger, more dangerous Hulk than Wolverine was; it just probably wasn't executed quite as well.

The notion of Kyle & Yost having a fine enough idea and simply not executing it well of course is completely impossible to anyone who has watched WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN (sarcasm alert). :o

Definitely. With Kari Wahlgren, Emma Frost's voice actress doing Amora the Enchantress no less.

Yeah, they usually cast great voice talent. WB of course usually gets a lot of good talent for their stuff, too. Conroy will always be Batman to me, but Bader's Batman works fine for BRAVE AND THE BOLD. You need that hint of comedy or absurdity to make it work.

It's more fun when Hulk's opponent can actually fight back and not get completely bulldozered.

That was my major problem. I could understand Thor losing for storyline reasons. Again, Hela was involved, and they wanted Enchantress to try to redeem herself to him. Besides, Thor has never been allowed to ever do more than "match" Hulk on occasion in the comics, so anyone expecting a win from the Odinson for a no holds barred cartoon is kind of naive. Still, it seemed Thor's entire attack strategy was, "land one attack or one 3-4 hit combo, assume Hulk is beaten, be surprised when he isn't, and then take 5-10 STRAIGHT MINUTES of punishment". It was Thor-as-Rocky Balboa. The fighting could have been paced a little better, had Thor seem a little less punching-bag-ish. Don't get me wrong, HULK VS. THOR was still only topped by HULK VS. WOLVERINE in terms of battle storyboards, and you'd need SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN to surpass it from Marvel TV shows.

One bit in particular speaks volumes. Not to spoil much, but there is one bit where Hulk throws a massive statue at Thor. Now, Thor could fly over it, or duck it, or move to the side, or even maybe catch it, or whatever. Instead, he does flashy spin moves smashing it to bits with blows of his hammer, thus leaving himself wide open for another Hulk attack. He had no strategy. Yost and Kyle claimed to have read Thor's run, but he displayed no more attacks than the attacks he only does in AVENGERS stories; shoot thunder, or hit with hammer, repeat.

Of course, to be fair, Thor took a far worse beating than Wolverine would have withstood. He got punched through a mountain. :p

Oh definitely. It's one of the reasons why, sometimes, it's actually kind of hard to like Batman. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time Superman was genuinely popular in the public eye, unless you count the seemingly endless "Smallville".

I can't believe that show has lasted 9-10 seasons.


Can never go wrong with that.

Exactly. THE BATMAN failed because it straddled that line poorly; it started off wanting to be taken seriously, but was too ridiculous to do so. Then it had some lighter episodes and darker episode, and even some good ones, but just was never very cohesive.

BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD launches itself squarely in the "absurd comedy adventure" camp where it doesn't want to be taken seriously very often, and is appreciated on that level. Granted, the Dick Sprang era of Batman is the only one that hadn't been done to death in animation or films since the 90's, but still, it works. One easy example is mechs. THE BATMAN had Batman use this robotic "Bat-Bot" machine to fight Bane and it was handled with utmost melodrama and seriousness, which didn't work because it was so completely stupid. BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD allows Batman to literally convert his Batmobile into a straight up "Bat-Mecha" and you know it's not supposed to be taken absolutely serious because his next line is the infamous retort, "The hammer of justice...is unisex!"

To make a comparison, someone who is stupid, but takes themselves as smart and serious, is usually annoying and irksome. Someone, on the other hand, who accepts his stupidity and even revels in it sometimes is usually at least more entertaining.

[Panthro]

The question would be, of course, who would win a Wolverine vs. Spider-Man fight in modern animation? The last time they tangled was in the 90's Spider-Man series, which was BS&P'd to death (although I recall Logan getting tossed around rather badly).

Spider-Man's probably stronger, but Wolverine's more ruthless. The popularity of both characters makes it hard to give the winner title to either one, doesn't it? It would probably end in a very cheap draw scenario.


"Mindless Hulk" is without any mercy or compassion, and he never calms down. Of course, the Hulk's strength rises infinitely with his anger, and "Mindless Hulk" does that at a faster rate. "Normal" Hulk usually just wants to be left alone or reacts to whatever is immediately attacking him (or Banner). I do agree that the line is blurry, though. The intention was that Thor was fighting a stronger, more dangerous Hulk than Wolverine was; it just probably wasn't executed quite as well.
At least we can agree the line is blurry.


The notion of Kyle & Yost having a fine enough idea and simply not executing it well of course is completely impossible to anyone who has watched WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN (sarcasm alert). :o
From what I've seen of that series and read of your reviews, I really don't want to spend anymore time with it, as it feels like one of those car accident scenarios - you don't want to look, but you can't help out of morbid curiosity. Wolverine as Captain X-Man & Cyclops as a lifelong failure & overall scumbag who basically deserves to be hated by everybody, besides the usual disdain he already gets from the clawed one? What the Hell is that?


Yeah, they usually cast great voice talent. WB of course usually gets a lot of good talent for their stuff, too. Conroy will always be Batman to me, but Bader's Batman works fine for BRAVE AND THE BOLD. You need that hint of comedy or absurdity to make it work.
Adam West had that in spades.


That was my major problem. I could understand Thor losing for storyline reasons. Again, Hela was involved, and they wanted Enchantress to try to redeem herself to him. Besides, Thor has never been allowed to ever do more than "match" Hulk on occasion in the comics, so anyone expecting a win from the Odinson for a no holds barred cartoon is kind of naive. Still, it seemed Thor's entire attack strategy was, "land one attack or one 3-4 hit combo, assume Hulk is beaten, be surprised when he isn't, and then take 5-10 STRAIGHT MINUTES of punishment". It was Thor-as-Rocky Balboa. The fighting could have been paced a little better, had Thor seem a little less punching-bag-ish. Don't get me wrong, HULK VS. THOR was still only topped by HULK VS. WOLVERINE in terms of battle storyboards, and you'd need SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN to surpass it from Marvel TV shows.
The lack of strategy was disappointing. Asgard not using more of its magic & trickery was disappointing. Hell, Sif, Thor's girlfriend, showed more strategy than Thor did for the few minutes she had before getting body slammed.


One bit in particular speaks volumes. Not to spoil much, but there is one bit where Hulk throws a massive statue at Thor. Now, Thor could fly over it, or duck it, or move to the side, or even maybe catch it, or whatever.
If I were Thor, I'd have grabbed the statue & used it as a battering ram against the Hulk.


Instead, he does flashy spin moves smashing it to bits with blows of his hammer, thus leaving himself wide open for another Hulk attack. He had no strategy. Yost and Kyle claimed to have read Thor's run, but he displayed no more attacks than the attacks he only does in AVENGERS stories; shoot thunder, or hit with hammer, repeat.
It felt like watching Superman get beaten down by some cheap D-list character, or some random new uber-character-monstrosity just to build up the threat.


Of course, to be fair, Thor took a far worse beating than Wolverine would have withstood. He got punched through a mountain. :p
Next time I want Wolverine to get punched through the mountain. :cwink:


I can't believe that show has lasted 9-10 seasons.
Absurd, isn't it? Like "Simpsons still running 20 some years later" absurd or "Wolverine must lead the X-Men he's our only hope 'cause Cyclops was just an incompetent jackass with no redeeming qualities throughout his life" absurd.


Exactly. THE BATMAN failed because it straddled that line poorly; it started off wanting to be taken seriously, but was too ridiculous to do so. Then it had some lighter episodes and darker episode, and even some good ones, but just was never very cohesive.
It was uneven. And Bruce's character design was terrible.


BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD launches itself squarely in the "absurd comedy adventure" camp where it doesn't want to be taken seriously very often, and is appreciated on that level. Granted, the Dick Sprang era of Batman is the only one that hadn't been done to death in animation or films since the 90's, but still, it works. One easy example is mechs. THE BATMAN had Batman use this robotic "Bat-Bot" machine to fight Bane and it was handled with utmost melodrama and seriousness, which didn't work because it was so completely stupid. BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD allows Batman to literally convert his Batmobile into a straight up "Bat-Mecha" and you know it's not supposed to be taken absolutely serious because his next line is the infamous retort, "The hammer of justice...is unisex!"

To make a comparison, someone who is stupid, but takes themselves as smart and serious, is usually annoying and irksome. Someone, on the other hand, who accepts his stupidity and even revels in it sometimes is usually at least more entertaining.Yup.

Out of curiosity, did Piccolo of Dragon Ball Z ever get to kick any ass?

[Kane52630]

ok, just to go back to talking about Batman: the Animated Series
do anyone remember the last episode, Judgment Day?
i was watching it the other day on my dvd collection and cant believe how incredible "The Judge" character was

[Orb]

Out of curiosity, did Piccolo of Dragon Ball Z ever get to kick any ass?

Yes....

[BlackLantern]

I figured the failure that was Dragonball Evolution would have squashed any interest anyone had in DB.....at least for a little while

[Orb]

Why? Its movie. Came and went.

[RogueDK]

ok, just to go back to talking about Batman: the Animated Series
do anyone remember the last episode, Judgment Day?
i was watching it the other day on my dvd collection and cant believe how incredible "The Judge" character was
It's one of my favorites. :word:

[SoulManX]

I'm so glad to see Brave and Bold is getting better with each ep...mark my words it will be place next to Batman TAS :o

[RogueDK]

I'm so glad to see Brave and Bold is getting better with each ep...mark my words it will be place next to Batman TAS :o
Noted.:woot:

I'm crazy about the show but man, that's indeed a stretch of a claim. Let me see what next season's shows have to offer.

It could really score big ups with me if Hourman is finally shown some justice.

[BlackLantern]

It could really score big ups with me if Hourman is finally shown some justice.

really? you're totally serious??

do people just pick marginal heroes to champion so they have something to ***** about on occasion??

[RogueDK]

really? you're totally serious??

do people just pick marginal heroes to champion so they have something to ***** about on occasion??
I take it you don't care for Hourman then...:whatever:

[BlackLantern]

Is there any reason to? He's a part of the JSA...old school hero...I'm down with that...to be honest, Dr Mid-Nite should get a shot in Brave and the Bold before Hourman does

[RogueDK]

Is there any reason to?

Yes.

He's a part of the JSA...old school hero...I'm down with that...to be honest, Dr Mid-Nite should get a shot in Brave and the Bold before Hourman does
And I agree with you.

The purpose of this show is to showcase other tier heroes that wouldn't normally get the spotlight in their own formats. That's what makes the show as a whole so endearing.

Just because you prefer one character over another doesn't dilute the fact that they don't deserve any recognition. Hourman is cool and I want to see him kick ass on a future ep. Jay Garrick poked his head in for a segment and there are people who still complained that it wasn't Wally West. :whatever:

[BlackLantern]

most of the JSA has been pushed to the side when it comes to animate series for the exception of Wildcat...Ill take some Dr. Mid-Nite, Alan Scott, or Jay Garrick....even though we saw them in JLU id like to see Mr. Terrific and Stargirl again

[RogueDK]

most of the JSA has been pushed to the side when it comes to animate series for the exception of Wildcat...Ill take some Dr. Mid-Nite, Alan Scott, or Jay Garrick....even though we saw them in JLU id like to see Mr. Terrific and Stargirl again
Don't forget Atom Smasher either...

and yes I am serious about him starring too. :hehe:

[RockSP]

most of the JSA has been pushed to the side when it comes to animate series for the exception of Wildcat...Ill take some Dr. Mid-Nite, Alan Scott, or Jay Garrick....even though we saw them in JLU id like to see Mr. Terrific and Stargirl again

Agreed. Add me to the Hourman list as well...

[Dread]

The Jay Garrick Flash has shown up briefly in BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD.

It is still a fun show. A bit hit-or-miss, but as the show isn't meant to be taken seriously, I don't get uptight about it. Personally, I love that Batman INSISTS on calling his Bat-Brass Knuckles, "The Hammers of Justice". :up:

[RogueDK]

Personally, I love that Batman INSISTS on calling his Bat-Brass Knuckles, "The Hammers of Justice". :up:
...And don't forget...they're "unisex..." :hehe:

That cracked me up.

[Dread]

...And don't forget...they're "unisex..." :hehe:

That cracked me up.

Yeah, it was one of those great brilliant lines. Right next to, "Your hotness was distracting me."

[Max Shrek]

It felt like watching Superman get beaten down by... some random new uber-character-monstrosity just to build up the threat.

That's Doomsday for ya.

[Anubis]

Man, that latest ep of Brave and the Bold was Kirbytastic.

[RogueDK]

Man, that latest ep of Brave and the Bold was Kirbytastic.
Agreed.:word:

[Dread]

This week's episode with a full Kamandi treatment was actually quite solid. It worked with a lot of what Kirby invented as well as created a good way for Batman to enter it, and was overall a better episode than I was expecting. The Miracle Man bit at the beginning was also amusing.

[BlackLantern]

a little Mr. Miracle goes a long way

[Dread]

It's amazing no one has thought to do a marriage joke with him before. It's old in sitcoms but new for DC superheroes. Miracle and Barda are C-List enough that you can do that without diminishing them. There are moments of imaginative brilliance that those who dismiss BATMAN: BRAVE AND THE BOLD as "kiddie" will miss out on.

[RogueDK]

Well this bit of news kinda sucks :csad::


Cartoon Network Revises Schedule, Delays "Batman: The Brave And The Bold" Episodes
June 22, 2009 by James Harvey

The World's Finest has learned that Cartoon Network has delayed new episodes of Batman: The Brave and The Bold until later this year.

A representative for Cartoon Network has informed The World's Finest that new episodes of Batman: The Brave and The Bold originally slated to premiere this month and next have been postponed to an undisclosed date later this year.

The new Batman: The Brave and The Bold episode "When OMACS Attacks!," originally scheduled to premiere this Friday, June 26th, 2009, on Cartoon Network, but has been replaced with a special movie presentation.

Other as-of-yet unaired episodes "Inside the Outsiders!," "Mayhem of the Music Meister!," and "The Fate of the Equinox!" will air at an undisclosed date later this year.
More here: http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=476 (http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=476).

[SoulManX]

Well this bit of news kinda sucks :csad::

I really hate CN:cmad:

[RogueDK]

I really hate CN:cmad:
Yeah, as if taking off the Brave & The Bold reruns in the morning wasn't enough...

..now they want to push back the latest eps? I was looking rather forward to OMAC. :cmad:

[Anubis]

F**k!

[Metamorpho1977]

Looks like they're doing to Batman B&B what they did to JLU.

[SoulManX]

Looks like they're doing to Batman B&B what they did to JLU.

Yea networks suits are the biggest overpaid bunch of moneky**** I have ever seen:o

[RockSP]

Looks like they're doing to Batman B&B what they did to JLU.

Yea networks suits are the biggest overpaid bunch of moneky**** I have ever seen:o

Heh. Yeah these are the same geniuses that have taken all the music off of Mtv...and keep putting more and more live action shows on cartoon network...:whatever:

[Sam Fisher]

Well, after all these are the same people who greenlit the craptastic "Shaggy and Scooby Doo: Get A Clue!".

[Dread]

I think it is beyond obvious now that the execs who run CARTOON NETWORK these days, or at least for the last five years, are at best incompetent. It's no surprise they are stalling on BATMAN BRAVE AND THE BOLD's last four episodes of the season.

But, there's always reliable Canada. ;)

[NightBeetle]

After watching those live-action shows,Cartoon Network really is becoming a equivalent to MTV and MTV2

[Panthro]

Any good alternative channels to pitch superhero cartoons to beyond CN?

[Anubis]

Nick toons and one of those Disney channels seem to be doing pretty good.

[RogueDK]

After watching those live-action shows,Cartoon Network really is becoming a equivalent to MTV and MTV2
Sure is. I am getting soooo OD'ed on most of the live action crap too...from any channel! :cmad:

Maybe Boomerang will stay pure...I hope.

[Dread]

Casting news about SUPERMAN/BATMAN: PUBLIC ENEMIES from the Comics Continuum website (which is usually very reliable, albeit a smaller reporting site than CBR or Newsarama):

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0906/27/index.htm


* The voice cast of Superman/Batman: Public Enemies will include Kevin Conroy as Batman, Tim Daly as Superman and Clancy Brown as Lex Luthor.

Yeah, they're going for the crowd pleaser status. Which is...not a bad thing. At least it will allow Tim Daly to reprise his role as Superman in something better than BRAINIAC ATTACKS, and Conroy to do likewise in something better than GOTHAM KNIGHTS or a video game. I would imagine if Lois Lane shows up, Dana Delaney is likely recast while they are at it.

[RogueDK]

Casting news about SUPERMAN/BATMAN: PUBLIC ENEMIES from the Comics Continuum website (which is usually very reliable, albeit a smaller reporting site than CBR or Newsarama):

http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0906/27/index.htm


* The voice cast of Superman/Tim Daly as Superman and Clancy Brown as Lex Luthor.
Yesssss!!!!!! Thanks for the link, Dread!

I've always preferred Daly's Superman voice to Newbern's. :word:

[BlackLantern]

Nick toons and one of those Disney channels seem to be doing pretty good.

yea...DisneyXD currently airs:

Spider-Man (90's cartoon)
Spectacular Spider-Man (newer cartoon)
Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends
X-Men (90's cartoon)
X-Men Evolution (as of this month)
Fantastic Four
The Incredible Hulk
Silver Surfer
Superman : TAS
Batman : TAS

[Anubis]

Yuppers.

[Panthro]

Yesssss!!!!!! Thanks for the link, Dread!

I've always preferred Daly's Superman voice to Newbern's. :word:
Alright! Tim Daly's back! I too preferred his Superman to Newbern's.

But I must admit, Newbern gave an awesome vocal performance in "For The Man Who Has Everything".

[RogueDK]

Alright! Tim Daly's back! I too preferred his Superman to Newbern's.

But I must admit, Newbern gave an awesome vocal performance in "For The Man Who Has Everything".
It's a 90s thing for me seeing that I can get kind of sentimental about things like this. Tim Daly all the way for me. I can't read a Superman comic book nowadays without hearing Tim's voice in my head. :hehe:

Newbern did a respectable job as Supes though...

[BlueLightning]

Here is a little homage I did. Since I couldn't find the Batman TAS thread, I figured this would be the right place. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4BPLJpROww

Harley Quinn: Ridiculous Thoughts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4BPLJpROww)

[Dread]

Yesssss!!!!!! Thanks for the link, Dread!

I've always preferred Daly's Superman voice to Newbern's. :word:

No problem. Glad I was the first to deliver the news.

What's with all the Newbern dislike floating around? I mean, yeah, Tim Daly rocked for the 46 episodes he played Superman in his solo series. Counting that guest episode of STATIC SHOCK, Newbern had the role for 60 episodes of "Timmverse" material. Both he and Daly voiced Superman in some video games, and while Daly had BRAINIAC ATTACKS, Newbern reprised the role for five episodes of THE BATMAN. Sure, Newbern was a little stiff in the role his first season of JUSTICE LEAGUE, but the writing in general for that season was choppy; once he got better material, he put in better performances.

I'm not knocking Tim Daly, he's always been an excellent Superman. I just think sometimes George Newbern still is a little underrated. I would have been happy with either men playing Superman here.

[BlackLantern]

both Newbern or Daly are fine by me

[Dread]

http://**************.com/fansites/VoicesFromKrypton/news/?a=8288

Toonzone credited this website with breaking the news about the voice casting for PUBLIC ENEMIES, which is likely where Comics Continuum got it from.

This has a whole article about it, as well as screen-caps.

It does appear as if the Loeb story from SUPERMAN/BATMAN is being translated. That was back from an era when his work was known for "dumb but fun" before the current HULK/ULTIMATUM era where he has become "the worst A-List comic writer who still sells in the Top 5".

[RogueDK]

No problem. Glad I was the first to deliver the news.

What's with all the Newbern dislike floating around? I mean, yeah, Tim Daly rocked for the 46 episodes he played Superman in his solo series. Counting that guest episode of STATIC SHOCK, Newbern had the role for 60 episodes of "Timmverse" material. Both he and Daly voiced Superman in some video games, and while Daly had BRAINIAC ATTACKS, Newbern reprised the role for five episodes of THE BATMAN. Sure, Newbern was a little stiff in the role his first season of JUSTICE LEAGUE, but the writing in general for that season was choppy; once he got better material, he put in better performances.

I'm not knocking Tim Daly, he's always been an excellent Superman. I just think sometimes George Newbern still is a little underrated. I would have been happy with either men playing Superman here.
Oh, Newbern did a good job in the role, however, his southern drawl (he is from Arkansas afterall) stood out a little too much for me. Combine that with the fact that Daly fit Timm's cosmetic and was the first Supes in the Timmverse and I'm a little loyal to the good ol' days when the 90s saw a cool eruption of superhero cartoons.

My kid prefers Newbern but he wasn't exactly around then to appreciate Daly's like I and other followers do when the Timm madness started.

If it weren't for The Fugitive tv series remake, being made at the time WB was producing the JL series, Tim Daly might've reprised his iconic role; it was all about timing unfortunately.

Believe me, I like George...he's just not Tim. :word:

[Gold Samurai]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9443/67892904.jpg
:woot:

[Sawyer]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9443/67892904.jpg
:woot:

Awesome. :up: I remember being surprised as hell the first time I saw what Kevin Conroy really looked like. Really not what I was expecting from hearing his voice. :hehe:

[Panthro]

Awesome. :up: I remember being surprised as hell the first time I saw what Kevin Conroy really looked like. Really not what I was expecting from hearing his voice. :hehe:
Isn't that usually the case? :cwink:

[RogueDK]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9443/67892904.jpg
:woot:
The Big Timm Three.

Thanks for posting, Samurai.:word:

[Sawyer]

The Big Timm Three.

Thanks for posting, Samurai.:word:

More like three of the Big Timm Four... Hamill. ;):up:

[RogueDK]

More like three of the Big Timm Four... Hamill. ;):up:
I should be ashamed for forgetting Hamill to that prestigious group ; thanks for reminding me. :o

[Anubis]

Man, Clancy Brown looks like Kenny Rogers all of a sudden.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Part of me want to condemn this for lazy casting and just to appeal to fanboys...

....but for the most part, I'm glad Daly gets a better chance for a "farewell" performance than that horrible Brainiac Attacks movie.

[Gold Samurai]

I should be ashamed for forgetting Hamill to that prestigious group ; thanks for reminding me. :o

You have nothing to be ashamed of since Joker isn't in Public Enemies.

[Sawyer]

You have nothing to be ashamed of since Joker isn't in Public Enemies.

I never implied he was. But when you say "the Big Timm Three" and Hamill isnt around, I tend to think "***** pleeeze."

The Big Four: Conroy, Hamill, Daly and Brown

[Dread]

I still have nothing against Newburn. He had some great moments and performances as Superman.

That said, it is very awesome to have the alliance of Brown, Conroy, and Daly back in a project. It's old school awesome.

Yeah, Hamill would complete the Fab Four of DC voice-work. He did just finish BATMAN: ARKHAM ASYLUM, though. Beyond that, his last touch of DC animation was playing Tony Zucco in THE BATMAN's 4th season debut (with Conroy playing Grayson's father). It would top the hat-trick if he were in Public Enemies. It's not a deal breaker without him, though.

The film is officially being released Sept. 29th, 2009. That's barely two months after GREEN LANTERN: FIRST FLIGHT is released at the end of July. Guess they want to show they are faster than Marvel/Lion's Gate, which still hasn't given an official date or trailer for THOR: TALES OF ASGARD yet.

[RogueDK]

I still have nothing against Newburn. He had some great moments and performances as Superman.

That said, it is very awesome to have the alliance of Brown, Conroy, and Daly back in a project. It's old school awesome.

My sentiments exactly. :word:

I just prefer one over the other honestly.

Daly does indeed need a chance to redeem himself after the Brainiac one he did awhile back (although I've only seen about 15 minutes of that one but everyone says it's terrible so...).

[Anubis]

It sucks balls.

[Dread]

SUPERMAN: BRAINIAC ATTACKS was so bad that I couldn't sit through it even for the pleasure of tearing it apart in an online review, and keep in mind that I gladly bought NEW AVENGERS for an extra year at $3 a pop to basically fulfill that purpose. I watched about 15-20 minutes of it on CARTOON NETWORK and it was just so atrociously bad that I could not continue. I could not justify throwing $3-$5 to the wind to rent it just to finish out what I knew was a bad flick. As much as people criticized the heck out of SUPERMAN: DOOMSDAY, it was an Oscar Winning Triumph in comparison. BRAINIAC ATTACKS was a rushed, sloppy attempt to put out another Superman DVD product in the wake of the push for SUPERMAN RETURNS, and it showed.

So, yes, it is good that Tim Daly will get a chance to reprise his role in a Superman project that will more than likely be of better quality. Loeb's story that this is based on was a dumb action flick, which is fine if executed well.

[Panthro]

The sad thing is Brainiac Attacks had more action in it than SR did.

George Newbern had some great lines in "Starcrossed". I also liked his work in the Christmas episode "Comfort & Joy" where he got to play around with Superman's lighter side during the holiday season.

[BlackLantern]

Man, Clancy Brown looks like Kenny Rogers all of a sudden.

He's not on TV much anymore....he still does the voice of Mr. Krabs (which I really want to see video of)

[RogueDK]

The sad thing is Brainiac Attacks had more action in it than SR did.


Well, that wasn't really hard to do. By comparison, Bambi had more action than SR. :hehe:

[Panthro]

Well, that wasn't really hard to do. By comparison, Bambi had more action than SR. :hehe:
Hehehe, yeah that's true.

[SupahSaiyangirl]

I was never into the whole vampire thing...poartly the reason why my friend's copy of twilight she lent to me went unread...but this show is different...it puts an interesting spin on the whole genre/mythology...and puts it in the most unusual of places... Every character seems like a real and believable person, even the vampires...they are not the "i want to suck your blood' cliche we are all used to. My favorite characters are Sam, jason (because he's adorably cute and naive), terra, lafeyette, bill, and eric... I'm still warming up to sookie, the first episodes I watched i couldnt stand her because she seemed to be the epitome of the 'damsal in distress', but after she kick the rattraps asses...she's changing my opinoin about her.

[Gold Samurai]

Allison Mack according to Kryptonsite will be voicing a character

To be evil they should have her voice Lois Lane...

Or Power Girl

[BlackLantern]

Allison Mack according to Kryptonsite will be voicing a character

To be evil they should have her voice Lois Lane...

Or Power Girl

gross...how about "girl that gets hit by a dump truck an dies"

[TheCorpulent1]

Man, Clancy Brown looks like Kenny Rogers all of a sudden.
He's got about 150 lbs. to go for that. Gray hair and a beard do not a Kenny Rogers make. Bad country and good rotisserie chicken do.

[BlackLantern]

He's got about 150 lbs. to go for that. Gray hair and a beard do not a Kenny Rogers make. Bad country and good rotisserie chicken do.

hey, hey, hey now.....'The Gambler' and 'Lady' are classics....everybody loves 'The Gambler'

[Panthro]

You know one of the things that pisses me off the most about "Superman: Brainiac Attacks"? What pisses me off is that this could have been used to fill the gap between the end of Superman: TAS and the beginning of Justice League: TAS, showing how Superman won back the trust of the Earth that he'd lost after the shenanigans he was forced to do by Darkseid after big D brainwashed him. I cannot forgive them for wasting that opportunity.

[Fresh Prince]

I want a Super cartton show. Batman got 2 of them this decade. 3 counting Batman Beyond. Superman needs one. I would love an animation Superman show like Batman Brave & The Bold. But have a 1940s style to it be like the old Superman cartton shows back in the 40s. Pre criss Superman. Wouldn't that be awesome!

[WompuM]

Any word whether this is going to be set in the Timmverse? I'd be happy either way honestly, but it would be nice to see Timmverse characters interact with those from the DCU who either didn't make it to the show, or didn't get a great deal of time, such as Starfire or Hawkman.

[BlackLantern]

I, for one, don't care....but I dont think so...Public Enemies is a favorite of mine so Im happy to see it getting made

[Fresh Prince]

Any word whether this is going to be set in the Timmverse? I'd be happy either way honestly, but it would be nice to see Timmverse characters interact with those from the DCU who either didn't make it to the show, or didn't get a great deal of time, such as Starfire or Hawkman.

What show?

[WompuM]

Batman/Superman/Justice League/Justice League Unlimited

[Fresh Prince]

Batman/Superman/Justice League/Justice League Unlimited

I'm talking about a new Superman show.

[Sam Fisher]

Wait...there's a new Superman series?

[WompuM]

No. No there isn't. Scarcrow is confusing the **** out of people. He quoted me and asked me "What show?" I told him. Then he says something about a new Superman show? Bizarre.

[Fresh Prince]

No. No there isn't. Scarcrow is confusing the **** out of people. He quoted me and asked me "What show?" I told him. Then he says something about a new Superman show? Bizarre.

I said their should be a new Superman show. Animation.

[Anubis]

He's got about 150 lbs. to go for that. Gray hair and a beard do not a Kenny Rogers make. Bad country and good rotisserie chicken do.

He wasn't always fat. He used to be pretty slim.

hey, hey, hey now.....'The Gambler' and 'Lady' are classics....everybody loves 'The Gambler'


And let us not forget "Just dropped in" which most everyone should remember from the Gutterballs scene in the Big Lebowski.

Edit**I had a video, but I had no idea they showed boobs on youtube.**

[WompuM]

Any word whether this is going to be set in the Timmverse? I'd be happy either way honestly, but it would be nice to see Timmverse characters interact with those from the DCU who either didn't make it to the show, or didn't get a great deal of time, such as Starfire or Hawkman.

What show?

Batman/Superman/Justice League/Justice League Unlimited

I'm talking about a new Superman show.

Wait...there's a new Superman series?

I said their should be a new Superman show. Animation.

Do you not see here where you are being confusing?

[BlackLantern]

Scarcrow would like to see a new Superman animated series, in the vein of Brave and the Bold, seeing as how Batman has had 3 different animated series in the past 10 years

[Prison Mike]

gross...how about "girl that gets hit by a dump truck an dies"

I second this!

[Fresh Prince]

Do you not see here where you are being confusing?

No.

[Fresh Prince]

Scarcrow would like to see a new Superman animated series, in the vein of Brave and the Bold, seeing as how Batman has had 3 different animated series in the past 10 years

Thank you! Who esle would love to see that?

[Prison Mike]

the confusing part is the miscommunication. Scarecrow is talking about one thing while everyone else is talking about another.