The DCU Animation Thread.

[RogueDK]

An animator should win an instant Emmy if he/she could render Adam's style yet keep it clean:


It's just not an easy thing to do.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/adams2.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I didn't really like the GA/GL stuff, but Adams' art was great in it.

[RogueDK]

I didn't really like the GA/GL stuff, but Adams' art was great in it.
Honestly, I only bought them for the art. :cwink:

He is great though.

[SoulManX]

Do you know how hard that would be to render yet maintain a flow?

The man's style was uber-detailed.

A series would not work but a dtd video with 130 mins worth of excitement and awesome I would pay what ever price to own it.:o

[RogueDK]

Of course, SMX. You would still need a team disciplined enough to pull that off though.

Even in the commentary for Legends Of The Dark Knight, Timm wanted to do Adam's style but thought it would be too much of a headache to do Adam's look justice.

[TheCorpulent1]

Legends was still one episode of a TV series on a strict schedule. I'm with SMX on this one. If they had a longer production schedule for just a one-off DTV and were really committed to bringing the style to life, they could do it.

[RogueDK]

Hey, I'd be all for it.

[SoulManX]

Legends was still one episode of a TV series on a strict schedule. I'm with SMX on this one. If they had a longer production schedule for just a one-off DTV and were really committed to bringing the style to life, they could do it.


The running time would have to be more than 75 mins...so tired of these microwave running times:cmad:

And now that I think about it Batman:Gotham Knights should have been Neal Adams style with Deadshot, Killer Crock, and maybe another low level batman villain set to the world of Batman Begins running at least 90 or more mins:o

[RogueDK]

And now that I think about it Batman:Gotham Knights should have been Neal Adams style with Deadshot, Killer Crock, and maybe another low level batman villain set to the world of Batman Begins running at least 90 or more mins:o


I like the way you think. :word:

[TheCorpulent1]

Dude, what do you microwave for 75 minutes? :wow:

[SoulManX]

Dude, what do you microwave for 75 minutes? :wow:

Shhh let just say it very big and very tasty:o

[SoulManX]

I like the way you think. :word:

I think Madhouse could have handle that task perfect:o

[SoulManX]

Brucie dropped the ball on that one...:facepalm

[RogueDK]

I think Madhouse could have handle that task perfect:o
Refresh me on their body of work?

[SoulManX]

Refresh me on their body of work?

The Deadshot ep on B:GK:o

[RogueDK]

The Deadshot ep on B:GK:o
Oh, okay. That was the best looking segment on the entire film.

[Hush]

which one? filmation? just to go back on something earlier, there has been a lot of batman recently, just like wolverine in the marvel universe, i would prefer to see someon different, blue beetle would be good, flash would make a great series, but a gl corps, with the epic jlu feel would be good.

The Disney one. Hope that helps.

[SoulManX]

Oh, okay. That was the best looking segment on the entire film.

Just imagine them working with Neal's art...perfection:o

[IronLion]

The Disney one. Hope that helps.


ok. yes it does.:woot:

[Hush]

Yeah that film just looks plain gorgeous! Great movie too.

[Panthro]

Oh, okay. That was the best looking segment on the entire film.
Indeed, and the only one where Bruce Wayne (unmasked) actually looked like Bruce Wayne is supposed to look.

[TheCorpulent1]

Is that the same studio that did Aeon Flux?

Also, Panthro: awesome name. Panthro was always my favorite of the Thundercats. :up:

[SoulManX]

Is that the same studio that did Aeon Flux?

Also, Panthro: awesome name. Panthro was always my favorite of the Thundercats. :up:

Toss up between Tygra or Panthro for me:o

[WallCrawl]

Is that the same studio that did Aeon Flux?

No, Colossal Pictures did Aeon Flux. Madhouse's more famous productions are Ninja Scroll and Vampire Hunter D: Bloodlust, among many many others.

[Panthro]

Is that the same studio that did Aeon Flux?

Also, Panthro: awesome name. Panthro was always my favorite of the Thundercats. :up:
Thanks. This forum looked like it could use some Thundercat user names.

So, how about that Hawkgirl? Really stole Wonder Woman's thunder, didn't she?

[TheCorpulent1]

Not for me. I hate Hawkgirl. In fact, I hate the cartoon version so much she actually got me to hate the comic version, whom I didn't particularly like or dislike in JSA for a while.

[RogueDK]

Indeed, and the only one where Bruce Wayne (unmasked) actually looked like Bruce Wayne is supposed to look.
Unlike...this...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/vlcsnap-359626.png

[Panthro]

Unlike...this...
http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/vlcsnap-359626.png
UGH. Thank God for this -

http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo261/8-2-B-4-9-5/BruceWayneGothamKnight.jpg
The gun makes him look a little bit like the Punisher, doesn't it?


Not for me. I hate Hawkgirl. In fact, I hate the cartoon version so much she actually got me to hate the comic version, whom I didn't particularly like or dislike in JSA for a while.

I see.

Well, the writers always seemed to enjoy writing for Hawkgirl more than Wonder Woman throughout the show's run, least that's how it always seemed to me.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think that's more because the writers didn't really know what to do with Wonder Woman, whereas they had a clear storyline laid out for Hawkgirl.

[Hush]

I have several story lines in my head for Hawkgirl and they all involve her dieing a gruesome death.

[RogueDK]

I think that's more because the writers didn't really know what to do with Wonder Woman, whereas they had a clear storyline laid out for Hawkgirl.
Bingo.

[SoulManX]

I have several story lines in my head for Hawkgirl and they all involve her dieing a gruesome death.

WOW.JUST.WOW:wow:

[TheCorpulent1]

An active imagination is very healthy. :o

[SoulManX]

No love for WW or Hawkgirl...man o man:o

[TheCorpulent1]

No, I love Wonder Woman. I just didn't think JLU did her justice.

[SoulManX]

No, I love Wonder Woman. I just didn't think JLU did her justice.


Hmmm well I liked her eps I had no problems with her...

[RogueDK]

Hmmm well I liked her eps I had no problems with her...

I love WW too but her stand alone eps were milquetoast at best.
She deserves better.

[SoulManX]

I love WW too but her stand alone eps were milquetoast at best.
She deserves better.

They are a step up from the Superfriends or Darkseid trying to marry her from the Super Powers show:o

[RogueDK]

They are a step up from the Superfriends or Darkseid trying to marry her from the Super Powers show:o
Man, that was a generation ago. Limitations have been loosened since then for the sake of better subject matter. No more corny.

I cringe at the Superfriends cartoons now but damned if I still don't love 'em.

Doesn't change the fact them Timm &Co. missed the mark with her. Other than her pushing up on Bats, I was never really excited to see her carry an entire show.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked the episodes with Ares and the mythological stuff. Everything else, especially her arc in JLU where she kept getting more and more violent for some silly reason I can't even remember now, were just not up to the standard Wonder Woman deserves. She's the major female superhero, after all. You can squabble about which comic woman is the second best known or second most iconic, but out of the entire spectrum of American comics, no female hero is better known or more iconic than Wonder Woman.

[RogueDK]

Let's just hope that her new DTV will rectify some of those misgivings.

[SoulManX]

I liked the episodes with Ares and the mythological stuff. Everything else, especially her arc in JLU where she kept getting more and more violent for some silly reason I can't even remember now, were just not up to the standard Wonder Woman deserves. She's the major female superhero, after all. You can squabble about which comic woman is the second best known or second most iconic, but out of the entire spectrum of American comics, no female hero is better known or more iconic than Wonder Woman.

Hmmmm...

[Hush]

Yeah Wonder Woman i thought was awesome even though she had some stinkers she was miles ahead of "I want to be a man Hawkgirl" as far as character liking goes.

[Panthro]

I think that's more because the writers didn't really know what to do with Wonder Woman, whereas they had a clear storyline laid out for Hawkgirl.
Out of curiosity Corp, what was it specifically about Hawkgirl that made you hate her so? Seriously, I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just curious.

[Superman Prime]

I, for one, lost respect for Hawkgirl's character after what she did to Hawkman in the notorious love triangle between them and Green Lantern. That whole storyline was something out of a bad soap opera, and made everyone involved come out more flawed than any DC hero was meant to be.

[RogueDK]

Hawkgirl's abrasiveness turns me off but she was tolerable in JL. By the time JLU aired she was somewhat humbled...

[SoulManX]

Hawkgirl's abrasiveness turns me off but she was tolerable in JL. By the time JLU aired she was somewhat humbled...

Hmmmm...

[SoulManX]

i wonder if Nightwing could have been on JLU would he be a reserved like Speedy or started the Outsiders?

[RogueDK]

i wonder if Nightwing could have been on JLU would he be a reserved like Speedy or started the Outsiders?
Nightwing deserves his own series by now.

[cerealkiller182]

I think Timm would spotlight Nightwing as a reserve member but not often. I think there would be a bigger chance to see Tim and maybe Static on a Teen Titans team after the nod in Static Shock.

[SoulManX]

Nightwing deserves his own series by now.

Bring back Loren Lester:o

[SoulManX]

I think Timm would spotlight Nightwing as a reserve member but not often. I think there would be a bigger chance to see Tim and maybe Static on a Teen Titans team after the nod in Static Shock.

That would have a been a better Teen Titans...

[RogueDK]

Bring back Loren Lester:o
A little too old now for that part IMO.

[cerealkiller182]

if he sounds the same it wont really matter, but i havent heard him talk in awhile

[RogueDK]

if he sounds the same it wont really matter, but i havent heard him talk in awhile
Seeing that Nightwing is considerably younger than Batman and Lester hasn't voiced him in maybe 10 years, I think it's safe to say that his voice has matured with time. All voices do.

It's not the same with Conroy you see. But I could be wrong; I'd like to hear if Lester still had it.

[SoulManX]

if he sounds the same it wont really matter, but i havent heard him talk in awhile

:up:

[RogueDK]

I'd also wish that Timm be in charge of a Nightwing project minus that God-awful mullet.

No one was still wearing a mullet in '98. Were they?:funny:

[SoulManX]

I'd also wish that Timm be in charge of a Nightwing project minus that God-awful mullet.

No one was still wearing a mullet in '98. Were they?:funny:

I like that mullet:o

[RogueDK]

I like that mullet:o
Yeah, very trailer-trash... :woot:

I hated that thing. I almost think that Timm put it there as some kind of joke so that we the viewers would notice it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Nah, Dick had a mullet as Nightwing in the comics for a long time, unfortunately.

[SoulManX]

Yeah, very trailer-trash... :woot:

I hated that thing. I almost think that Timm put it there as some kind of joke so that we the viewers would notice it.

If there is one person who rock a mullet and make it look cool its DJ Grayson:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Don't call him DJ, please. The less I have to remember that The Graysons was seriously considered as a TV series, the better.

[SoulManX]

Don't call him DJ, please. The less I have to remember that The Graysons was seriously considered as a TV series, the better.

I knew that would get under your skin:woot:

[BlackLantern]

I think a 'Nightwing' film would be relatively easy to do....It could basically be a straight up action flick and you really don't have to bring up Batman all that much so the rights wouldn't be an issue

[The Caped Knight]

Check out this awesome tribute to The music of the DCAU Animated (Featuring : Batman : The Animated Series , Superman : The Animated Series TNBSA & Justice League .)

Whoever did this has got talent
KuIkwWpxMrw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuIkwWpxMrw

[Hush]

That was pretty stinking cool.

[RogueDK]

^^^Yes it is. :word:

[The Caped Knight]

Batman Is Awesome In The DCAU (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3A31CE72A0265060) :batty:

He sure is . The Ultimate Badass Superhero ever.

[RogueDK]

Batman Is Awesome In The DCAU (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3A31CE72A0265060) :batty:

He sure is . The Ultimate Badass Superhero ever.
:word::word::word::word:

Batman in the Timmverse was so pimp.

[Grommers]

I liked wonder woman in Grudge Match. And many of the episodes where it takes place in her home land. I don't know if wonderwoman could ever have that epic of story lines given her personality. I enjoyed the Greek Gods story lines, and really wished we could of seen them working with more conventional villains, but often at times it felt like Wonder Woman didn't have a rogue gallery to build on her character and reflect off other characters. The same goes for John Jonnz, except instead of being an aggressive hero, he was very passive. Which is why I didn't mind him not having to big of roles or character development, and was satisified with him just reflecting upon himself, and his inner conflicts. That's all I wanted/needed to know about him, for me to like him. Wonder Woman, I wanted to know how and why she is different from the other amazons, but alas never got that.

Over all, I was still glad she was part of the series.

Hawk Girl on the other hand, was much more fleshed out, but she seemed very much like Wonder Woman.

[RogueDK]

Since we're talking about companies adapting great artists styles to their animation, one would have to be stupid to leave out the great JIM APARO. I would pay to see that on a DTV. :word:


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/lce37_batman.gif

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/45573-brave111sm.jpg

[BlackLantern]

the new Batman :Brave and the Bold premieres tonight and its Batman in the Blue and Grey costume

[RogueDK]

the new Batman :Brave and the Bold premieres tonight and its Batman in the Blue and Grey costume
What is old is now new again...or-uhhh, at least for the duration of this series it will be. :woot:

Already set the reminder for the debut tonight! I hope that it's at least entertaining.

[Obi-Ron]

and its Batman in the Blue and Grey costume

Cartoons can get the costume right, why can't live action movies? :cmad:

[BlackLantern]

Because Blue and Grey doesn't look as menacing

[Obi-Ron]

Black rubber is indeed menacing...but for all the wrong reasons.

[BlackLantern]

like grey rubber is any better?

[SoulManX]

Since we're talking about companies adapting great artists styles to their animation, one would have to be stupid to leave out the great JIM APARO. I would pay to see that on a DTV. :word:


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/lce37_batman.gif

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/45573-brave111sm.jpg

CO-SIGNED:woot:

[RogueDK]

Cartoons can get the costume right, why can't live action movies? :cmad:
Good question. Even if it's a darker shade of grey I'd be happy.

It's sad when fanboy shorts like DEAD END get it but the movies do not. Is it too hard to suspend disbelief on a comic book character? :huh:

CO-SIGNED


Your boys at Madhouse could probably knock it out of the park.

[BlackLantern]

Good question. Even if it's a darker shade of grey I'd be happy.

It's sad when fanboy shorts like DEAD END get it but the movies do not. Is it too hard to suspend disbelief on a comic book character? :huh:

Give me a ****ing break....that dude took a grey tshirt, A TSHIRT, a painted a logo on it...I could do that to my GFs underwear and that doesn't make her Batgirl.....and don't get me started on the whole Alien thing...I'll want to shoot myself

[RogueDK]

Give me a ****ing break....that dude took a grey tshirt, A TSHIRT, a painted a logo on it...I could do that to my GFs underwear and that doesn't make her Batgirl.....and don't get me started on the whole Alien thing...I'll want to shoot myself
Your point is? It was a fanboy trailer for mere entertainment.

I'm sure that you could also take a pair of Palmolive dishwashing gloves from the kitchen drawer, paint them white and make a Green Lantern short. :whatever: I'd still give you an "A" for effort.

This is comic book stuff. Disbelief goes without saying.

[BlackLantern]

I'm sure that you could also take a pair of Palmolive dishwashing gloves from the kitchen drawer, paint them white and make a Green Lantern short. :whatever: I'd still give you an "A" for effort.

...but I wouldn't do that...because I have self respect....

[RogueDK]

...but I wouldn't do that...because I have self respect....
:funny:

[Obi-Ron]

Give me a ****ing break....that dude took a grey tshirt, A TSHIRT, a painted a logo on it...I could do that to my GFs underwear and that doesn't make her Batgirl.....and don't get me started on the whole Alien thing...I'll want to shoot myself

It had admittedly low production value since it was basically a homemade short, but the design was spot on.

[RogueDK]

It had admittedly low production value since it was basically a homemade short, but the design was spot on.
To steal a phrase from SoulMan...CO-SIGNED! :woot:

[SoulManX]

You know its funny I miss the Jim and Neal eras a lot. The way they drew Bats still holds up better than the current artists:o

[RogueDK]

You know its funny I miss the Jim and Neal eras a lot. The way they drew Bats still holds up better than the current artists:o
Adams still get his deserved props from the under- 30 crowd but very few, that I know, from that generation do the same for the late Aparo.

The two pretty much were considered the consummate Batman artists for nearly two decades.

However, given time, a skillful animation team could render these styles masterfully. I'd hope.

[TheCorpulent1]

Unfortunately, too much time and probably too much money for anyone to pursue it.

[RogueDK]

Batman: Brave & Bold

From tonight's first show, I have to say that I like it so far. It looks fun and the animation looks cool for the most part. Bats is still no-nonsense but in a lighter fashion so that was cool.

Welcome back, Batman. :word:

[TheCorpulent1]

He still looks silly. But I'm looking forward to seeing it when I get off work. :o

[RogueDK]

He still looks silly. :o


Take it back...you take it back right now.:cmad:

He doesn't look silly! :indy: :woot:

[BlackLantern]

It's a different take on Batman and I'm good with that....he wasn't always all dark and broody-like....I like the old school costume and those little aliens were the cutest...especially the one that gave Beetle the drawing...I didn't think I'd get to see Jaime Reyes animated so thats a plus....and we'll get Plastic Man sometime this season as well...

[TheCorpulent1]

Take it back...you take it back right now.:cmad:

He doesn't look silly! :indy: :woot:
He totally looks silly. You even admitted it earlier. Lighthearted and fun are just euphemisms for silly. :oldrazz:

[RogueDK]

He totally looks silly. You even admitted it earlier. Lighthearted and fun are just euphemisms for silly. :oldrazz:
Lighthearted and fun are pretty much semantics of one another. Silly has a range all its own IMO to the point where it can get overbearing; this show at least is not that. It's Family fare with action.
Of course my expectations weren't a TDK level and I was able to enjoy it.
Just give it a chance. You might end up liking it more than you know. :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

Corp doesn't give chances.....

[RogueDK]

Corp doesn't give chances.....
"Poor...deluded...Corp..."

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/batman.jpg

[TheCorpulent1]

I already said I would watch it, and I said a while ago that it sounded a lot better than I initially thought it did based on an interview with one of the producers or something. I'll give it its chance, you bloody vultures. :o

[Anubis]

It was pretty good.

[TheCorpulent1]

I forgot to watch it last night. :o

[Anubis]

It's coming on again this morning.

[RogueDK]

It's coming on again this morning.






Yeah I'm watching it again now and I'm sure this series is off to a pretty good start. :word:

[SoulManX]

"Poor...deluded...Corp..."

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/batman.jpg

Classic:woot:

[Prison Mike]

just saw the new Batman cartoon. I'm sure 8 year olds would like it but I just can't stand it. It's too childish for me. Just not my cup of tea.

[BlackLantern]

just saw the new Batman cartoon. I'm sure 8 year olds would like it but I just can't stand it. It's too childish for me. Just not my cup of tea.

I believe that's the point.....they wanted something that the younger kids could watch....I have a 7 yr old nephew and there are episodes of JL/JLU and even some B:TAS episodes that are a little too much for him....

[Prison Mike]

I believe that's the point.....they wanted something that the younger kids could watch....I have a 7 yr old nephew and there are episodes of JL/JLU and even some B:TAS episodes that are a little too much for him....

I can understand that. The little kids deserve something just for them. I had a great time watching B:TAS, JL, JLU, and The Batman. So I'm not mad that this show is more light hearted than the others. The older audience had so much, the little kids need something for their own.

[RogueDK]

The older audience had so much, the little kids need something for their own.

Well I hope that the little kids don't me me encroaching on their demographic because I enjoyed this show myself.

I'm a very big Timmbot but I was a Batman fan first. I grew up with retro camp Bats so this show is easy for me to digest. I knew I wasn't getting Mask Of The Phantasm Batman with this show. It was fine with me.

[Prison Mike]

Well I hope that the little kids don't me me encroaching on their demographic because I enjoyed this show myself.

I'm a very big Timmbot but I was a Batman fan first. I grew up with retro camp Bats so this show is easy for me to digest. I knew I wasn't getting Mask Of The Phantasm Batman with this show. It was fine with me.

yeah, I can't do that. The show has to be entertaining to me first and foremost regardless of it's a Batman show or not. I can't willingly watch a batman show knowing it's going to dumb me down.

[BlackLantern]

...when the little alien thing handed Jaime the drawing, I loved that....

[RogueDK]

yeah, I can't do that. The show has to be entertaining to me first and foremost regardless of it's a Batman show or not. I can't willingly watch a batman show knowing it's going to dumb me down.
This show won't dumb you down anymore than a Three Stooges short would. It's just entertainment...not The English Patient: The Animated Series. :whatever:

[BlackLantern]

This show won't dumb you down anymore than a Three Stooges short would. It's just entertainment...not The English Patient: The Animated Series. :whatever:

Wow...I'd imagine that would be boring enough to sterilize anyone who watched that

[Prison Mike]

This show won't dumb you down anymore than a Three Stooges short would. It's just entertainment...not The English Patient: The Animated Series. :whatever:

wow, no need to take it so personal. it's just a cartoon. :whatever:

[RogueDK]

wow, no need to take it so personal. it's just a cartoon.
Trust me, P.M. it was never taken personally. You didn't care for it, I did. All is right with the world. :yay:

[Prison Mike]

Trust me, P.M. it was never taken personally. You didn't care for it, I did. All is right with the world. :yay:

ok, good. :yay:

[BlackLantern]

for some odd reason, I am waiting for the episode with Plastic Man

[TheCorpulent1]

Perhaps because you like Plastic Man?

[RogueDK]

for some odd reason, I am waiting for the episode with Plastic Man
Me too. :word:

[BlackLantern]

I guess it's because I remember watching the old Plastic Man cartoon when I was a kid, and he hasn't been in any animation since then....I do hope they have a better voice this time around tho....the old series had him sounding like a gangster out of the 1920's

[TheCorpulent1]

He started out as a gangster, though.

[cerealkiller182]

I guess it's because I remember watching the old Plastic Man cartoon when I was a kid, and he hasn't been in any animation since then....I do hope they have a better voice this time around tho....the old series had him sounding like a gangster out of the 1920's

Hes gonna have the voice of Spongebob

[BlackLantern]

I thought he was a low-level thief??

[BlackLantern]

Hes gonna have the voice of Spongebob

It's the guy who does Spongebob? Tom Kenny...well I highly doubt he will sound like SpongeBob....

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought he was a low-level thief??
He worked for a crime ring sort of deal. Same thing, as far as I'm concerned. :o

[rogue trooper]

I'm a nostalgic guy who still enjoys the old Space Ghost, Birdman, and the old DC Comics cartoons from Filmation. This show seems like a love letter to those old cartoons. I'm digging it so far. The look of the show really reminds me of the work of Alex Toth, Jack Kirby, Dick Sprang, and Mike Ploog.:up:

[RogueDK]

I'm a nostalgic guy who still enjoys the old Space Ghost, Birdman, and the old DC Comics cartoons from Filmation. This show seems like a love letter to those old cartoons. I'm digging it so far. The look of the show really reminds me of the work of Alex Toth, Jack Kirby, Dick Sprang, and Mike Ploog.:up:
:word::word::word:

Welcome back, old school Batman. Good to see you again. Glad you liked it, Troop.

Yeah, it appears this cartoon is split between a few generational lines.
It would've been cool to have had Adam West voice him though. Bader's not bad; he doesn't fit Timm's dark knight but this one seems to suit his talents.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, the less connection to the Batman TV show, the better. Just because it was popular back in the '60s, doesn't make it good.

[RogueDK]

I don't know, the less connection to the Batman TV show, the better. Just because it was popular back in the '60s, doesn't make it good.
This isn't the live tv show. This is more along the lines of the Batman cartoon shorts of the 60s-70s.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/BatmanRobin1.jpg

I doubt that you'll see Batman doing the Batsui while fighting alongside Jonah Hex. The only difference is this Bats still has an edge 60s Bats didn't. But it's cool; this is not for everyone.

BTW, did you catch it this morning at least, Corp?

[TheCorpulent1]

This isn't the live tv show. This is more along the lines of the Batman cartoon shorts of the 60s-70s.
Yeah, but you mentioned Adam West.
BTW, did you catch it this morning at least, Corp?
Nope. I'll see if it's online anywhere now that I've got some time at work.

[RogueDK]

Yeah, but you mentioned Adam West.

:funny: Man, this push and pull with you... :funny:

Nope. I'll see if it's online anywhere now that I've got some time at work.

I've a feeling that your misgivings for it won't subside much when you do. :oldrazz:

[TheCorpulent1]

All I could find was a sneak peek. Bader's voice really isn't working for me, but otherwise it didn't look too bad. Blue Beetle was cool.

[Obi-Ron]

Yeah, but you mentioned Adam West.
.

Nobody messes with Adam We.

[SoulManX]

I like it:woot:

[RogueDK]

I like it:woot:
:word:


For those who care, craggy- faced Superman is on Cartoon Network now. Y'know...that Doomsday movie? :woot:

[SoulManX]

:word:


For those who care, craggy- faced Superman is on Cartoon Network now. Y'know...that Doomsday movie? :woot:

I'll pass:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Nobody messes with Adam We.
He's nice as a kitschy reminder of how silly superhero stuff used to be, but I associate his voice too much with the mayor from Family Guy now.

[RogueDK]

I'll pass:o
Could Lex have anymore "man-love" than he did in this DTV?

What was up with the shirtless beatdown that he gave the clone? The face to face "Who's your daddy?"? The straddling...shirtless?
That was a little disturbing.

As if the craggy lines in Superman's face wasn't enough... :huh:

[BlackLantern]

it was the animators attempt at giving 'definition' to Supermans face....didn't work too well

[RogueDK]

it was the animators attempt at giving 'definition' to Supermans face....didn't work too well
And to think that Bruce Timm okay'ed that... :huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

Someone involved in the DCAU okayed it twice, actually. Remember the first season of Justice League?

[RogueDK]

^^^Was it something like this?

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/pop.jpg

Distracting I'll admit but in Doomsday that was much worse :waa: .

He looked like Ronald Reagan.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/popi.jpg

[SoulManX]

^^^Was it something like this?

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/pop.jpg

Distracting I'll admit but in Doomsday that was much worse :waa: .

He looked like Ronald Reagan.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/popi.jpg

Ugh:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Why did anybody think that looked good? :huh:

[RogueDK]

Why did anybody think that looked good? :huh:
I don't know... :funny:

[Panthro]

Why did anybody think that looked good? :huh:
Damned if I know. What I want to know is - how come they never thought to give him better definition in his eyes? All the other important characters had better eye definition, Hell even Jimmy Olsen had better eye definition.

[union_jak]

I think the lines in the JL series were there to reflect Superman's encounter with Ra's Al Ghul in the STAS, where he begins ageing. I'm sure they mention it in a commentary.

[TheCorpulent1]

Damned if I know. What I want to know is - how come they never thought to give him better definition in his eyes? All the other important characters had better eye definition, Hell even Jimmy Olsen had better eye definition.
Superman's often portrayed as squinty. In the Fleischer cartoons, he didn't even have eyes, just squint lines. I figured the ill-defined eyes in the Timmverse were a reflection of that.

[SoulManX]

Why did anybody think that looked good? :huh:

I don't see why they need to age him so much:o

[Lobo]

I like the way Supes looked in The Batman, he actually had eyes :o

[RogueDK]

I don't see why they need to age him so much:o
Yeah Like the grey hair in JL.

[SoulManX]

I would love to see BL teaming up with Bats:woot:

[Grommers]

I'm all over the place on how superman should be drawn, I just went from watching B:TAS first 2 seasons, to an episode of the justice league, I used to think they looked similiar to one another, then I realized the big difference. Kind of scary actually, I much prefer the look of B:TAS, however, I loved JL more. I was looking for comparison pictures of superman from S:TAS, justice league, justice league unlimited, Superman : Doomsday, and the new frontier, but couldnt' find anything on google :(.

What did everyone think of green lanterns design? Pre-Unlimited & After.

[Hush]

I like Kyles JLU appearance more but overall think he should have been GL instead. Superman looks good in all animation if you ask me, i really have no qualms with his design at all.

[BlackLantern]

I was OK with them using John Stewart...at the time, when JL started, Hal was still dead or had just become The Spectre and GL readership wasn't that great....John was a nice established GL

[RogueDK]

I was just fine with John Stewart's design but I'm glad that they toughened his look up some by giving him the shaved head and goatee. He looked edgier. Besides, putting an African-American in the mix is more plausible than making the JL all-white; this isn't the 1960s.

I'm glad that Rayner wasn't used since I kept feeling as if DC was trying to force-feed the character onto Hal Jordan disciples...like myself. I never liked the fact that they gave this kid Jordan's orgin in STAS. :cmad:


And I'm more than happy that Guy Gardner wasn't used seeing as that I cannot stand him at all. I'm so glad that Batman knocked his ass out in the comics way back.

[SoulManX]

I was just fine with John Stewart's design but I'm glad that they toughened his look up some by giving him the shaved head and goatee. He looked edgier. Besides, putting an African-American in the mix is more plausible than making the JL all-white; this isn't the 1960s.

I'm glad that Rayner wasn't used since I kept feeling as if DC was trying to force-feed the character onto Hal Jordan disciples...like myself. I never liked the fact that they gave this kid Jordan's orgin in STAS. :cmad:


And I'm more than happy that Guy Gardner wasn't used seeing as that I cannot stand him at all. I'm so glad that Batman knocked his ass out in the comics way back.

SHAFT as GL:o

[RogueDK]

SHAFT as GL:o
A reference that Neal Adams had in mind when he created John Stewart. :yay:

[Obi-Ron]

SHAFT as GL:o

I always thought GL's hair-style change was more like Captain Sisko's.

[Grommers]

I thought GL was awesome, and I knew nothing about the GL corps before I saw this show. I thought they gave this character justice, my only ply with it was they didn't show the rest of the corps. to know how to use there ring. I would of liked an episode or two where it's the other GL corps saving his ass, and saving the day. One thing I thought JL never covered, was other super heroes saving the day, and being just that.

[SoulManX]

I thought GL was awesome, and I knew nothing about the GL corps before I saw this show. I thought they gave this character justice, my only ply with it was they didn't show the rest of the corps. to know how to use there ring. I would of liked an episode or two where it's the other GL corps saving his ass, and saving the day. One thing I thought JL never covered, was other super heroes saving the day, and being just that.

Meaning?

[TheCorpulent1]

I was just fine with John Stewart's design but I'm glad that they toughened his look up some by giving him the shaved head and goatee. He looked edgier. Besides, putting an African-American in the mix is more plausible than making the JL all-white; this isn't the 1960s.

I'm glad that Rayner wasn't used since I kept feeling as if DC was trying to force-feed the character onto Hal Jordan disciples...like myself. I never liked the fact that they gave this kid Jordan's orgin in STAS. :cmad:


And I'm more than happy that Guy Gardner wasn't used seeing as that I cannot stand him at all. I'm so glad that Batman knocked his ass out in the comics way back.
Batman has a habit of knocking Green Lanterns on their asses.

I was annoyed that they gave Kyle Hal's origin too, but for the opposite reason: I actually like Kyle. He's his own character--no need to try to appease Hal fans by making Kyle a combination of the two of them.

[Grommers]

Meaning, heroes such as the corps would save the day somewhere else in the galaxy. Instead of JL always solving just about everything. I don't think the corps deserve there own show, but a couple episodes here and there would of been nice. To show where GL came from.

[TheCorpulent1]

They did have some episodes where the Corps was shown as the intergalactic police force they're supposed to be. "The Return" and that episode where John gets tried for some crime come to mind.

[BlackLantern]

John got tried for destroying a planet, when in fact it wasn't really destroyed, just hidden by the Manhunters and you do see some of the GL Corps in that episode (Tomar Re, Kilowog, and a few others)

[Nathan]

What was that Episode with the 3 eyed guy, where you even see some GLs get killed?

[BlackLantern]

No, it was in season 1..."Justice on Trial" Flash acted as GLs lawyer

[RogueDK]

No, it was in season 1..."Justice on Trial" Flash acted as GLs lawyer
That was funny I recall. :woot:

[Nathan]

No, I was asking for another Episode. Not "Was that the Episode with the 3 eyed guy...".

[Nathan]

That was funny I recall. :woot:

"That's how we solved our Lawyer problem." :D

[Anubis]

No, I was asking for another Episode. Not "Was that the Episode with the 3 eyed guy...".


The one with Despero.

[Max Shrek]

No, I was asking for another Episode. Not "Was that the Episode with the 3 eyed guy...".

You're thinking of Despero, psychic dictator, in Hearts and Mind.

[Nathan]

Ah, thanks. Always forget the name of the Episode.

[Hush]

Kyle had the improper origin but they did give a nod to Jordan in one of the season finales and the jet that Kyle crashed into in the STAS episode. Overall i think that Kyle's imagination would have made for better constructs anything better than beams,orbs and hammers and what not. John was leagues above and beyond his comic counterpart but i still would have prefered Kyle to him, even over Hal because im a Kyle fan. If you wanted to add a African American character I would have prefered Black Lightning considering he is just cool. John was ok but I like BL better.

[TheCorpulent1]

I think they were going for a big seven line-up. Or a big six with Hawkgirl instead of Aquaman because she has a vagina and Aquaman's criminally discriminated against.

[BlackLantern]

I think they were going for a big seven line-up. Or a big six with Hawkgirl instead of Aquaman because she has a vagina and Aquaman's criminally discriminated against.

It's the mace....

[TheCorpulent1]

Unless "mace" is some weird euphemism for vagina, it's not the mace. They wanted another woman for diversity, plain and simple, and Aquaman's the easiest character to shaft out of his spot on the big seven because most people remember him as a lame moron from the Superfriends cartoon.

[BlackLantern]

Unless "mace" is some weird euphemism for vagina, it's not the mace. They wanted another woman for diversity, plain and simple, and Aquaman's the easiest character to shaft out of his spot on the big seven because most people remember him as a lame moron from the Superfriends cartoon.

It's profiling....not by race, but by lameness...I have no major issue with Aquaman, but he is the King of Atlantis, I'm sure he has more pressing issues then hanging out in the Watchtower...I always liked that aspect of him...

[RogueDK]

Unless "mace" is some weird euphemism for vagina, it's not the mace. They wanted another woman for diversity, plain and simple, and Aquaman's the easiest character to shaft out of his spot on the big seven because most people remember him as a lame moron from the Superfriends cartoon.
This doesn't help either... :oldrazz:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/245/559954aqbat1superbb0.jpg

If you wanted to add a African American character I would have prefered Black Lightning considering he is just cool. John was ok but I like BL better.

Like I said earlier in this thread, that would've been difficult seeing that BL is in some sort of litigation limbo when it comes to anything other than comics so no; that's not a go.

[Hush]

It's profiling....not by race, but by lameness...I have no major issue with Aquaman, but he is the King of Atlantis, I'm sure he has more pressing issues then hanging out in the Watchtower...I always liked that aspect of him...

That doesnt make much sense, Batman was supposedly a part timer and that worked.

Like I said earlier in this thread, that would've been difficult seeing that BL is in some sort of litigation limbo when it comes to anything other than comics so no; that's not a go.

Oh yeah i know but i mean who would you pick if there was no limitation, lame GL or Bad ass BL?

[BlackLantern]

Batman isn't a king though.....Aquaman has a whole kingdom of aquapeople to look after

[RogueDK]

"Aquapeople?" :funny:

[BlackLantern]

Atlanteans...I guess is the more correct term....

[TheCorpulent1]

This doesn't help either... :oldrazz:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/245/559954aqbat1superbb0.jpg
That's probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen. :o

[IronLion]

he got beat by batman, Bats probably has better technique, but Aquaman has super strength, surely the kick should have knocked him out.

[TheCorpulent1]

Aquaman's also faster and a pretty great fighter himself. Maybe he was dehydrated or something. That was from way before Aquaman could keep himself at full strength outside of water.

[The Question]

Damn aquatic life forms being easily dehydrated when not constantly surrounded by water. :cmad:


Although, if you think about it, even weak, been out of water too long Aquaman VS. Batman should still essentially be like a very dehydrated, tired human fighting a very stubborn stuffed animal.

[TheCorpulent1]

But people like Batman, so he wins. There's as much politics in comics as there is in any election. :o

[RogueDK]

Aquaman's also faster and a pretty great fighter himself. Maybe he was dehydrated or something.
:funny: Thank you for the morning laugh, Corp. :funny:

And Batman is just PIMP. Respectfully, Aquaman is not. No way is DC going to let Aquaman best the Dark Knight in a one on one. His stock would plummet. :funny:

[TheCorpulent1]

Which is stupid. It's not even just Aquaman. Batman can still be cool even if he can't deck Aquaman or Wonder Woman or f***ing Darkseid with one punch. Different characters have different powers--except, it seems, when it comes to fighting Batman, at which point they're all rendered helpless toddlers.

[RogueDK]

Which is stupid. It's not even just Aquaman. Batman can still be cool even if he can't deck Aquaman or Wonder Woman or f***ing Darkseid with one punch. Different characters have different powers--except, it seems, when it comes to fighting Batman, at which point they're all rendered helpless toddlers.
:funny::funny::funny: Damn, you're in rare form today...


I reiterate.... BATMAN IS PIMP. DC's poster boy is not to going to succumb to the waterlogged Mr. Curry. Now the character does indeed have his place but in this case he is overruled. :woot:

Don't blame me; this tide of inadequacy started way before we came along. It's left an indelible mark on many comic fans' minds for what? 40-50 years now?.

[TheCorpulent1]

And that makes it totally okay. :o

[SoulManX]

:funny::funny::funny: Damn, you're in rare form today...


I reiterate.... BATMAN IS PIMP. DC's poster boy is not to going to succumb to the waterlogged Mr. Curry. Now the character does indeed have his place but in this case he is overruled. :woot:

Don't blame me; this tide of inadequacy started way before we came along. It's left an indelible mark on many comic fans' minds for what? 40-50 years now?.

Say it with me folks 'Prep-Time.":o

[SoulManX]

And that makes it totally okay. :o

No it does not I like Aquaman myself but he does get the shaft because Filmation and HB cartoons:o

[RogueDK]

No it does not I like Aquaman myself but he does get the shaft because Filmation and HB cartoons:o
Precisely. Filmation gave him that stupid seal as a sidekick...
Be thankful that Timm for at least giving the character some sack. We're talking about years of reversing a knock on Aquaman that has perpetuated for years.

And just when he can be seen in a better light, what does Justice League: The New Frontier do? He get's dissed again with a five second appearance. Copping out on all of the action in that final boss fight! :funny::funny::funny:

Look, I like Aquaman believe it or not; I even have this poster hanging on the wall in my little studio room.

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/aquaman.jpg

Perhaps, Corp, if you ever get a chance to meet Mr. Timm you could vent your concern that The King Of Atlantis deserves his own animated series. I'm pretty sure that he's got enough pull with WB to convince the suits that it can work... :cwink:

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure he wouldn't care. He didn't care enough to make him a regular on the Justice League or even give him a proper personality instead of the blatant Namor rip-off, so why would he care enough to make a full series about him?

[RogueDK]

I'm sure he wouldn't care. He didn't care enough to make him a regular on the Justice League or even give him a proper personality instead of the blatant Namor rip-off, so why would he care enough to make a full series about him?
Wouldn't hurt to mount your case about it if you ever met him though would it? :cwink:

I'm pretty sure there are more than just you who want the same thing. And who's to say that there isn't something in the works from WB Aquaman-related?

I feel your pain and agree 100% with the Namor rip-off approach that was taken but maybe Timm was trying to distance his version of Arthur from useless Superfriends Arthur?

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess, but it seems like there's a lot more middle ground between the Superfriends incarnation and a shameless Namor rip-off (who even led to a shameless Defenders rip-off later on).

[Obi-Ron]

Which is stupid. It's not even just Aquaman. Batman can still be cool even if he can't deck Aquaman or Wonder Woman or f***ing Darkseid with one punch. Different characters have different powers--except, it seems, when it comes to fighting Batman, at which point they're all rendered helpless toddlers.

When Batman can stand up to the Hulk, you know it's about catering to fanboys.

[SoulManX]

When Batman can stand up to the Hulk, you know it's about catering to fanboys.

"Prep-Time"

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/597743/how_superman_should_have_ended_superman_vs_batman/

[RogueDK]

When Batman can stand up to the Hulk, you know it's about catering to fanboys.
Well, to be truthful, Batman was sticking and doing ALOT of moving during those encouters. Of course Batman isn't dumb enough to stand up to Hulk but he is a phenomonal tactician.

The only thing that I found absurd about that was when Bats knocked the wind out of Hulk. Simply impossible...but PIMP.

[SoulManX]

Well, to be truthful, Batman was sticking and doing ALOT of moving during those encouters. Of course Batman isn't dumb enough to stand up to Hulk but he is a phenomonal tactician.

The only thing that I found absurd about that was when Bats knocked the wind out of Hulk. Simply impossible...but PIMP.
:woot:

[Hush]

Aquaman is bad ass and you all know it he lifted and entire city block during the subdiego story!

[SoulManX]

Aquaman is bad ass and you all know it he lifted and entire city block during the subdiego story!

To us comic fans yes to the gen pop they have no clue:o

[Anubis]

Well that's why you have to give them a clue.

[IronLion]

Say it with me folks 'Prep-Time.":o





:lmao:

it has been a few years since i last read/heard that. dont get me wrong, i love bats, and he is one of the reasons i got into comic books, but too many people pull prep time out of their ass as a reason to him beating everyone. i remeber a debate a few years ago about batman v super man, in a straight one on one fight, and bats won, because of the greatest super power of them all, prep time.

i say once again.....

:lmao:

[SoulManX]

:lmao:

it has been a few years since i last read/heard that. dont get me wrong, i love bats, and he is one of the reasons i got into comic books, but too many people pull prep time out of their ass as a reason to him beating everyone. i remeber a debate a few years ago about batman v super man, in a straight one on one fight, and bats won, because of the greatest super power of them all, prep time.

i say once again.....

:lmao:

World Greatest Detective for the win.

[SoulManX]

Well that's why you have to give them a clue.

He needs a movie:o

[RogueDK]

Or his own animated series. After laughing at Corp's Aqua-ravings earlier today, I was at my draft table and tried to whip up my own version of an animated Aquaman design. Here's a quick one that I did:


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/Animatedlook.jpg

Just one of other versions I'm sketching out. Hope this looks cool enough.

[Anubis]

Needs a Beard. Not a big fuzzy one but, I don't know, stubble. Aquaman, like the Mighty Thor, seems just so much more Aquaman with a beard.

Best version of Aquaman:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC/aqua15.jpg

But you know, that's Neal f**king Adams. Everything he draws is the best.

[Lobo]

Or his own animated series. After laughing at Corp's Aqua-ravings earlier today, I was at my draft table and tried to whip up my own version of an animated Aquaman design. Here's a quick one that I did:


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/Animatedlook.jpg

Just one of other versions I'm sketching out. Hope this looks cool enough.


I like that, almost looks like a McGuiness inspired Aquaman

[RogueDK]

Needs a Beard. Not a big fuzzy one but, I don't know, stubble. Aquaman, like the Mighty Thor, seems just so much more Aquaman with a beard.



Best version of Aquaman:







But you know, that's Neal f**king Adams. Everything he draws is the best.






^^^ That's not Neal Adams though... :huh:

I'll work out a bearded one tomorrow...



I like that, almost looks like a McGuiness inspired Aquaman


Thanks, Lobo.

[Anubis]

^^^ That's not Neal Adams though... :huh:

I'll work out a bearded one tomorrow...






Thanks, Lobo.

Oh, that's right Alan Davis. Always get those two mixed up. Alan f**king Davis then.

[The Question]

Well, Alan David was, essentialy, Neil Adams' apprentice, so it's an easy mix up.

[RogueDK]

Well, Alan David was, essentialy, Neil Adams' apprentice, so it's an easy mix up.
Not for me. There are so many Adams clones out there but I'm pretty spot on when it's Adams most times.

Frank Brunner could be mistaken for Adams but they were in the biz around the same era.

[Hush]

Man I dig that rendering you made Rogue! Good job could we get it colored and with a beard? lol.

[RogueDK]

Man I dig that rendering you made Rogue! Good job could we get it colored and with a beard? lol.
Only if WB okays a second season. No facial hair for the fans until then... I wish. :woot:

Seriously, thank you, Hush. I'll try and get it in animated color.

[Panthro]

Is it okay to admit that I really hated the rock guitar riff opening for JLU? I'm sorry but that riff really annoyed the Hell out of me. It just didn't capture the spirit of a show about heroes coming together to fight for truth, justice, etc.

[Superman Prime]

It never really annoyed me that bad. Did think it was out of place, though.

I would've chosen an epic orchestra.

[SoulManX]

Is it okay to admit that I really hated the rock guitar riff opening for JLU? I'm sorry but that riff really annoyed the Hell out of me. It just didn't capture the spirit of a show about heroes coming together to fight for truth, justice, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUGk0QmDis

[SoulManX]

http://www.newsarama.com/tv/110818-WW-DVD.html

[Panthro]

It never really annoyed me that bad. Did think it was out of place, though.

It sounded more like the theme for a cheap wrestler's show.


I would've chosen an epic orchestra.
Like before it became UNLIMITED.

Funny video, SoulManX. Thanks for posting opposite the WW update.

[Superman Prime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IUGk0QmDis

Fun little video.

Too much incongruity between the music and modern animation for me to want that as the actual opening, though.

[Superman Prime]

It sounded more like the theme for a cheap wrestler's show.

Hah. That's one way of putting it.

[TheCorpulent1]

Needs a Beard. Not a big fuzzy one but, I don't know, stubble. Aquaman, like the Mighty Thor, seems just so much more Aquaman with a beard.

Best version of Aquaman:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/DC/aqua15.jpg

But you know, that's Neal f**king Adams. Everything he draws is the best.
It's actually Alan Davis, but Adams was an influence on his work, I believe. :)

But yeah, that's totally the best Aquaman ever. All he needs is some facial hair. A goatee, at least. I also preferred the way Gleason slicked back his hair.

[Grommers]

I always wondered what "The Batman's" Justice League would of been like, personally I liked the series finale.

[Anubis]

It would have sucked.

[SoulManX]

I always wondered what "The Batman's" Justice League would of been like, personally I liked the series finale.

That wasn't to bad but I don't care for Batman starting the league:o

[BlackLantern]

wasn't the League already getting started in 'The Batman'??....ok as for giving the general audience a clue about Aquaman...No one cares, it was a running joke for an entire season of 'Entourage' because Vinny Chase looks NOTHING like Aquaman and you had James Cameron doing his best Dbag director, and the damage that SuperFriends did...

[RogueDK]

ok as for giving the general audience a clue about Aquaman...No one cares, it was a running joke for an entire season of 'Entourage' because Vinny Chase looks NOTHING like Aquaman and you had James Cameron doing his best Dbag director, and the damage that SuperFriends did...
That's what I hear alot of people say at cons. He's just cult status with a few.

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm sure no one would care about Batman if a lot of effort weren't put into making him look good over the years. There are no bad characters, only lazy writers.

[SoulManX]

I'm sure no one would care about Batman if a lot of effort weren't put into making him look good over the years. There are no bad characters, only lazy writers.

Thank you :up:

[RogueDK]

I'm sure no one would care about Batman if a lot of effort weren't put into making him look good over the years. There are no bad characters, only lazy writers.
Uh, wrong. There are a sh**load of bad characters out there; that's why many of them have faded into obscurity. No one wants to start their comic career writing for crap characters.

There are lazy writers but there are also quality writers out there who can get pumped up for certain characters...Batman is one of them. Look, face it: he has a great premise and his look is perpetually signature.

Other than the Sub-Diego story arc of a few years back, Aquaman is sort of linear in his regard and no one wants to see a superhero talk to fish...or chaperone with Wonder Woman in the invisible jet, etc.

It would have to take a passionate writer with a clear objective on where Aquaman could go and appeal to a mass audience. Key word: MASS audience, not appease a few fanboys. You mean to tell me out of his 50+ years of existence, that many writers are lazy? :whatever:

To my surprise, there are alot of fans who prefer Sub-Mariner over Aquaman... That is criminal.

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he was pretty popular back in the Silver Age. There's a reason why he's been a major part of most JLA incarnations and is considered one of the big seven now. Those terrible cartoons in the '70s tarnished him in a lot of kids' eyes, so they grew up thinking he was lame and he hasn't been able to shake that stigma. The Sub Diego stuff was a shot in the arm creatively, but it didn't generate interest because the character still has that stigma attached to him. Geoff Johns, one of the biggest names in comics right now, wants to work on Aquaman but he can't because Aquaman's effectively been shelved for the time being. If they'd just let Johns and a big-name artist relaunch Aquaman, I think their names would generate enough interest to at least overcome the stigma and get people to give Aquaman a chance, instead of being as closed-minded as you are about him.

[RogueDK]

, instead of being as closed-minded as you are about him.
C'mon, man, I like having fun but let's not go there accusing me of being close-minded about the likes of Aquaman. I honestly like the character but I'm not running anything and neither are you. The WB/DC feel that Aquaman isn't that viable past 40-50 issues...that's a fact. If it weren't, he'd be on #400 by now.

If you feel this strong about his misuse, come up with a draft and hit some of the big conventions where DC editors flock. You seem to have a feel on where you want him to go. You never know if an editor will bite or not...

[SoulManX]

For Arthur to hit mass appeal he needs least comic more tv or movie time. Its going to be hard to erase that Superfriends/Filmation combo:o

[SoulManX]

See Timm could have done more for Arthur like he did for John and Wally:o

[BlackLantern]

No, he was pretty popular back in the Silver Age. There's a reason why he's been a major part of most JLA incarnations and is considered one of the big seven now. Those terrible cartoons in the '70s tarnished him in a lot of kids' eyes, so they grew up thinking he was lame and he hasn't been able to shake that stigma. The Sub Diego stuff was a shot in the arm creatively, but it didn't generate interest because the character still has that stigma attached to him. Geoff Johns, one of the biggest names in comics right now, wants to work on Aquaman but he can't because Aquaman's effectively been shelved for the time being. If they'd just let Johns and a big-name artist relaunch Aquaman, I think their names would generate enough interest to at least overcome the stigma and get people to give Aquaman a chance, instead of being as closed-minded as you are about him.

...if Johns started writing Aquaman, I still wouldn't care....and I'm a huge Johns fan

[RogueDK]

See Timm could have done more for Arthur like he did for John and Wally:o
Other than the Namor-like demeanor, I thought that Aquaman got some sack back courtesy of Timm. It's probably the only time the hero looked cool. No other animation crew thought enough of him to do as much so for that little bit, I'm thankful.

I love the two-parter where he was trying to save his son so he cuts his hand off. That was pretty moving...

...if Johns started writing Aquaman, I still wouldn't care....and I'm a huge Johns fan

LOL!

[Anubis]

...if Johns started writing Aquaman, I still wouldn't care....and I'm a huge Johns fan

Well that's because you suck, but that's okay, you can't help it. :o

[BlackLantern]

Well that's because you suck, but that's okay, you can't help it. :o

It's not that I hate Aquaman, because I don't....I'm just not inclined to get invested in him...I do like that they have his traditional look back....

[TheCorpulent1]

Why not? What sets Aquaman apart from Hal or whomever else you are inclined to get invested in? :huh:

[BlackLantern]

I've never found him interesting...He's a king, he's part of the League and that's cool...but past that, I never found anything to grab on to......

[Grommers]

I found GL much more interesting even jonn jonnz'. However, if DC wanted to open up for an Aquaman movie? (I thought they were making this? I could of swore I saw a trailer for it). Then let timm at it. It'd be very much different from other super heroes, and could be visually astounding.

[TheCorpulent1]

I've never found him interesting...He's a king, he's part of the League and that's cool...but past that, I never found anything to grab on to......
I never found anything interesting about the Flash before I read Waid's run, and now he's one of my favorite characters. This is what I mean about being closed-minded. No offense meant (and I apologize, RogueDK, if you were offended earlier), but most people don't seem to want to give Aquaman even the slightest chance. Really solid creators working on a character I don't particularly have any feelings about one way or the other are usually enough to get me to at least read the comics and see what they're doing with that character. I just don't get why Aquaman doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt.

[BlackLantern]

I never found anything interesting about the Flash before I read Waid's run, and now he's one of my favorite characters. This is what I mean about being closed-minded. No offense meant (and I apologize, RogueDK, if you were offended earlier), but most people don't seem to want to give Aquaman even the slightest chance. Really solid creators working on a character I don't particularly have any feelings about one way or the other are usually enough to get me to at least read the comics and see what they're doing with that character. I just don't get why Aquaman doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt.

It's because he rode a seahorse.....:oldrazz:

[SoulManX]

I never found anything interesting about the Flash before I read Waid's run, and now he's one of my favorite characters. This is what I mean about being closed-minded. No offense meant (and I apologize, RogueDK, if you were offended earlier), but most people don't seem to want to give Aquaman even the slightest chance. Really solid creators working on a character I don't particularly have any feelings about one way or the other are usually enough to get me to at least read the comics and see what they're doing with that character. I just don't get why Aquaman doesn't get the same benefit of the doubt.


I think the problem is that a guy swimming in the ocean is not a real threat like Batman or can save planets like GL or is bang a press agent like Lois. They look at him as the guy who talks to fish...but what they don't see is that he is king of the freakin 7 seven sea who can control some of the most deadliest marine animals like great whites, jellyfish, killer whales,etc. and has lived in the depths of the oceans with all that pressure on his body giving him super strength people just don't know what they are missing.

[TheCorpulent1]

That f***ing seahorse will haunt him forever. :(

[SoulManX]

It's because he rode a seahorse.....:oldrazz:

And your point is:huh:

[TheCorpulent1]

Seahorses are kind of lame. Not to mention extremely tiny, which means Aquaman was riding some kind of freaky, mutant, probably radioactive seahorse.

[SoulManX]

Seahorses are kind of lame. Not to mention extremely tiny, which means Aquaman was riding some kind of freaky, mutant, probably radioactive seahorse.

If Batman can have a man-bat let Arthur have his mutant seahorse:o

[TheCorpulent1]

Man-Bat's a dude who mutated himself through science gone horribly wrong. The seahorse is just an impossibly big version of an already goofy animal ridden by a guy who can already swim at like mach-5. Stuff like the seahorse is why people don't take Aquaman seriously.

[BlackLantern]

...that and the Adult Swim bump where they have Aquaman walking in front of random locations and shaking his money-maker