The DCU Animation Thread.

[SoulManX]

Every night on Boomarang I watch JLU and it makes me miss this show so much. So decide to create a thread for all dc animated movies, shows, dtv. Please feel free to share you favorite eps or dislikes to eps. So to start this thread of right I present ( and this my own opinion) the best Batman movie to date.



Batman: Mask of the Phantasm (also known as Batman: The Animated Movie) is a 1993 animated superhero film based on the fictional DC Comics character Batman. Eric Radomski and Bruce Timm directed the film, which stars Kevin Conroy as Batman, as well as Dana Delany, Hart Bochner, Mark Hamill, Abe Vigoda, and Stacy Keach. The film's storyline introduces Andrea Beaumont, an old love interest of Bruce Wayne, who returns to Gotham City, restarting their romance as well. At the same time, a mysterious murderer begins systematically eliminating Gotham's crime bosses, and due to the person's dark appearance, he is mistaken for Batman. Now on the run, Batman must solve the mystery and deal with the romance between himself and Andrea.

Development for the film started after the success of Batman: The Animated Series. Warner Bros. assigned Alan Burnett to write the story, and Burnett collaborated with writers Paul Dini, Michael Reaves, and Martin Pasko. The original idea was to release the film as direct-to-video, but the studio decided for a theatrical release, giving the filmmakers a strenuous eight-month schedule. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm was released with positive critical success, but resulted into a dismal box office due to the decision to release the film in theaters on such short notice. Mask of the Phantasm has since found success with home video and DVD releases.

Its funny that Warner Bros. never did a special edition to this film...quite a shame.

[bored]

The way the Timmverse progressed, from "Batman" all the way to "JLU", is cool to consider, especially with how good it was throughout.

[SoulManX]

The way the Timmverse progressed, from "Batman" all the way to "JLU", is cool to consider, especially with how good it was throughout.

Yea the progression is one of the things I love about the DC animated universe. Its a shame Marvel never got the same treat:o

[SoulManX]

One of my favorite Superman eps.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_VIcAWSD-E

[AmazinUncleBen]

One of my favorite pieces of DCU animation from Return of the Joker


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPM9ihbfboM&feature=PlayList&p=12CBBE1D696A38A1&index=4

[Abaddon]

Superman TAS is underrated among the DCAU shows.

[SoulManX]

Superman TAS is underrated among the DCAU shows.


I totally agree yet a lot of people act like it was the worst thing to come out of DCUA:o

[shadowdog]

all of the Bruce Timm DC animated series were top notch. We need more great cartoons like JLU, Batman TAS and Superman TAS- I really miss them!

[SoulManX]

all of the Bruce Timm DC animated series were top notch. We need more great cartoons like JLU, Batman TAS and Superman TAS- I really miss them!

Batman TAS is to me the gold standard when it comes to american animation for tv.

[Dr. Fate]

I liked the DCAU, Batman TAS being the best, I just wish the animation hadn't gotten so damn blocky.

[SoulManX]

I liked the DCAU, Batman TAS being the best, I just wish the animation hadn't gotten so damn blocky.

Blocky?

[Dr. Fate]

Blocky?
Really squared/rectangular arms, squared fingers, not a lot of definition to the physiques. Not to mention that the legs of most male characters don't look sturdy enough to support their upper body mass.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/superman/42.jpg
Compare that DCUA Superman (circa JLU), who has no eyes for some reason (seriously, what's with those beedy black dots?) to say...

http://marvel.toonzone.net/mafeatures/ultavengers/media/screengrabs/152.jpg
Thor from Ultimate Avengers, note that Thor has more definition to his appearance than the DCAU Superman does. To be perfectly blunt, the DCAU Superman - most DCAU heroes in general actually - looks fat when compared to the UA Thor.

Another example of an animated hero with more definition to him than most DCAU heroes -
http://www.cartoonscrapbook.com/01pics/heman200201.jpg
He-Man circa 2002 MYP series.

But that's just my personal animation preference. I still enjoy the DCAU, I just don't care for their animation.

[The Denialist]

I grew up with shows like Batman and Superman the Animated Series, Justice League/JLU, Batman Beyond.....all the Timm/Dini programs, really. These shows were my introduction to the iconic characters I love today. Watching these shows made me want to explore the characters further, so I started reading comics, and the rest is history.

One of the elements of these shows that really appealed to me, even as a young kid, was the music. At age nine, I didn't really pick up on how fantastic the writing was for a "kid's show," how involved the plotlines were. What really caught my attention at first was the awesome music, something I've come to associate with Batman in particular (has there ever been a Batman show/film with bad music?). That certainly wasn't the only thing I enjoyed about these shows, I obviously loved the characters or else I wouldn't have looked into the comics.

As I grew older I was able to appreciate the other elements of the show mentioned above, and I really wish more cartoons were like these, at least in terms of writing and plot. A show like Batman: The Animated series, for example, proves that a cartoon can have a dark, mature feel to it that appeals to adults while still being able to remain appropriate for younger viewers.

Plus, the DCAU gave us Harley Quinn and Mercy Graves. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Frank]

Really squared/rectangular arms, squared fingers, not a lot of definition to the physiques. Not to mention that the legs of most male characters don't look sturdy enough to support their upper body mass.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/superman/42.jpg
Compare that DCUA Superman (circa JLU), who has no eyes for some reason (seriously, what's with those beedy black dots?) to say...

http://marvel.toonzone.net/mafeatures/ultavengers/media/screengrabs/152.jpg
Thor from Ultimate Avengers, note that Thor has more definition to his appearance than the DCAU Superman does. To be perfectly blunt, the DCAU Superman - most DCAU heroes in general actually - looks fat when compared to the UA Thor.

Another example of an animated hero with more definition to him than most DCAU heroes -
http://www.cartoonscrapbook.com/01pics/heman200201.jpg
He-Man circa 2002 MYP series.

But that's just my personal animation preference. I still enjoy the DCAU, I just don't care for their animation.

character design and animation are two different things. One has to do with the way the characters look. The other has to do with how they move.

[TheCorpulent1]

They go hand in hand, though. It costs a hell of a lot more to make character designs like Thor and He-Man's up there move fluidly than it does to make Superman move fluidly. All things considered, I personally prefer scaled down designs in favor of more fluid animation. Ultimate Avengers was cheaply made and looked worse than most episodes of JLU in motion. The recent He-Man, on the other hand, I remember being very fluid, so I guess either someone spent a ton of money on it or they were lucky enough to have a really amazing animation house.

[MARVELDC]

Really squared/rectangular arms, squared fingers, not a lot of definition to the physiques. Not to mention that the legs of most male characters don't look sturdy enough to support their upper body mass.

http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/WF/jlu/bios/superman/42.jpg
Compare that DCUA Superman (circa JLU), who has no eyes for some reason (seriously, what's with those beedy black dots?) to say...

http://marvel.toonzone.net/mafeatures/ultavengers/media/screengrabs/152.jpg
Thor from Ultimate Avengers, note that Thor has more definition to his appearance than the DCAU Superman does. To be perfectly blunt, the DCAU Superman - most DCAU heroes in general actually - looks fat when compared to the UA Thor.

Another example of an animated hero with more definition to him than most DCAU heroes -
http://www.cartoonscrapbook.com/01pics/heman200201.jpg
He-Man circa 2002 MYP series.

But that's just my personal animation preference. I still enjoy the DCAU, I just don't care for their animation.

Cartoon Networks "Teen Titans" is worse! It's a total disgrace!

[SoulManX]

Cartoon Networks "Teen Titans" is worse! It's a total disgrace!

Yes that is true but the Kid Flash ep was awesome:woot:

[SoulManX]

They go hand in hand, though. It costs a hell of a lot more to make character designs like Thor and He-Man's up there move fluidly than it does to make Superman move fluidly. All things considered, I personally prefer scaled down designs in favor of more fluid animation. Ultimate Avengers was cheaply made and looked worse than most episodes of JLU in motion. The recent He-Man, on the other hand, I remember being very fluid, so I guess either someone spent a ton of money on it or they were lucky enough to have a really amazing animation house.

I agree with this:o

[SoulManX]

To be honest I love the Batman TAS design more so than the NBTAS design...it made him look more like a tortured soul.

[Dr. Fate]

To be honest I love the Batman TAS design more so than the NBTAS design...it made him look more like a tortured soul.
I agree 110%. Easily the best DCAU animation.

[CFE]

No one has handled the characters of the DCU outside of the comics better than Bruce Timm and everyone involved with these series.

Not saying the efforts of Nolan or Burton or Donner aren't brilliant in their own right.

But these series were always amazing. The storytelling got more and more faithful to the comics as it went along, the material was handled with care and intelligence that adults could enjoy while still having a whimsical sensibility that children could get a kick out of.

Hell, with the creation of "Batman Beyond" the universe created its own mythology that progressed into "JL" and "JLU." That in and of itself is an awesome achievement!

Yes "The Dark Knight" was absolutely stunning and incredible.

But if the live action DC films were anything like the DCAU, Marvel's films wouldn't be able to hold a candle to them, IMO.

[November Rain]

the best dcu animation was batman beyond.

great concept and well executed.

[SoulManX]

I agree 110%. Easily the best DCAU animation.

:woot:

[SoulManX]

No one has handled the characters of the DCU outside of the comics better than Bruce Timm and everyone involved with these series.

Not saying the efforts of Nolan or Burton or Donner aren't brilliant in their own right.

But these series were always amazing. The storytelling got more and more faithful to the comics as it went along, the material was handled with care and intelligence that adults could enjoy while still having a whimsical sensibility that children could get a kick out of.

Hell, with the creation of "Batman Beyond" the universe created its own mythology that progressed into "JL" and "JLU." That in and of itself is an awesome achievement!

Yes "The Dark Knight" was absolutely stunning and incredible.

But if the live action DC films were anything like the DCAU, Marvel's films wouldn't be able to hold a candle to them, IMO.

Which boggles the mind of why screenwriters for the big budget films fail to understand the characters...a side from Dark Knight even though Timm and Dini got it right in MOTP imho:o

[SoulManX]

the best dcu animation was batman beyond.

great concept and well executed.

I wish Dini let BB stay a little bit longer:o

[CFE]

Which boggles the mind of why screenwriters for the big budget films fail to understand the characters...a side from Dark Knight even though Timm and Dini got it right in MOTP imho:o

Agreed. I made a thread a few weeks ago about how the personel from the DCAU being brought in as, at the very least, consultants (if not outright writers/conceptualists/screenwriters) on the live action films would be a great idea.

I still think it would be.

Bring Timm onto the Live Action Superman Reboot for instance...

[TheCorpulent1]

I was never as impressed by the DCAU take on Superman as I was by their take on Batman. I think they were better than anyone else on Batman outside of the comics themselves, but their portrayals of the rest of the characters vary widely. I absolutely loved their Lex Luthor, though. Superman Returns would've benefitted a lot from that take on Lex instead of trying to force him into the stupid mad scientist role he outgrew years ago.

[Havok83]

I never watched Justice League but I was a huge fan of the Batman series on Fox. I caught some of it when it went to WB

Batman Beyond rocked. Im surprised DC didnt have Terry make his way into the regular DC universe

[TheCorpulent1]

It sort of locks Batman's future into a certain path.

[Dr. Fate]

I was never as impressed by the DCAU take on Superman as I was by their take on Batman. I think they were better than anyone else on Batman outside of the comics themselves, but their portrayals of the rest of the characters vary widely. I absolutely loved their Lex Luthor, though. Superman Returns would've benefitted a lot from that take on Lex instead of trying to force him into the stupid mad scientist role he outgrew years ago.
What's wrong with the DCAU take on Superman? :huh:

[SoulManX]

What's wrong with the DCAU take on Superman? :huh:

To me D&T take on Superman is best to date. I love the way young Clark was a a-hole in Smallville becoming the mild mannered Clark in Metropolis. The Superman Darkseid storyline was just great...classic storyline.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, exactly. The eternal will-they/won't-they with Lois didn't help. I always wished they'd gotten married in the show like they did in the comics. His powers were always kind of wonky, too. He's strong enough to kick Darkseid's ass in "Destroyer," but then he was weak enough to be knocked out by every little energy blast or electrical current for years before that. I liked the stories, but Superman himself just didn't feel right to me.

[Dr. Fate]

I don't know, exactly. The eternal will-they/won't-they with Lois didn't help. I always wished they'd gotten married in the show like they did in the comics. His powers were always kind of wonky, too. He's strong enough to kick Darkseid's ass in "Destroyer," but then he was weak enough to be knocked out by every little energy blast or electrical current for years before that. I liked the stories, but Superman himself just didn't feel right to me.
I read that they actually wanted to go the distance with it JLU, but DC or WB (or both) told them not to.

Well, okay, he was knocked around too easily sometimes, but I guess that's just part of the problem with writing Superman in general (or any super strong character for that matter) - how far back do you scale the strength so that they can actually be challenged? If Superman just floored everyone with one punch, it wouldn't be much of an adventure. I seem to recall them acknowledging that in their audio commentary of "World's Finest part 1", the wonkiness of his power levels - "Last Son part 3" he has to really wrestle the endangered plane to the ground, WF part 1 he knocks another plane around with relative ease.

[SoulManX]

I don't know, exactly. The eternal will-they/won't-they with Lois didn't help. I always wished they'd gotten married in the show like they did in the comics. His powers were always kind of wonky, too. He's strong enough to kick Darkseid's ass in "Destroyer," but then he was weak enough to be knocked out by every little energy blast or electrical current for years before that. I liked the stories, but Superman himself just didn't feel right to me.

I see where you are coming from...I think this explains it all


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v6UXDxkXQE&feature=related

[Kenny Eugene McCall]

I'm with you right there Rome. Batman the Animated Series is what made the 90's animation renaissance great! Plus Kevin Conroy is still the best Batman.

Bruce Timm sure knew how to make some fine-ass women in all those series!

[TheCorpulent1]

I read that they actually wanted to go the distance with it JLU, but DC or WB (or both) told them not to.

Well, okay, he was knocked around too easily sometimes, but I guess that's just part of the problem with writing Superman in general (or any super strong character for that matter) - how far back do you scale the strength so that they can actually be challenged? If Superman just floored everyone with one punch, it wouldn't be much of an adventure. I seem to recall them acknowledging that in their audio commentary of "World's Finest part 1", the wonkiness of his power levels - "Last Son part 3" he has to really wrestle the endangered plane to the ground, WF part 1 he knocks another plane around with relative ease.
Right, but they had plenty of enemies on JL/JLU that could've been more than a match for Superman. On a team with Wonder Woman, the Martian Manhunter, the Flash, and a Green Lantern, power levels shouldn't be a problem because they're necessarily going to be fighting super-powerful threats. Instead, they were pretty much all toned down. The Martian Manhunter forgot half his powers in most fights, the Flash was a moron who could barely outrun cars except in one episode, etc. Just weird. Like I said, though, I still loved the stories.

[RogueDK]

Bruce Timm sure knew how to make some fine-ass women in all those series!

How true. Simplistic but sexy.

[TheCorpulent1]

The fact that they're all basically identical except for their hair and lipstick started to annoy me a bit by the time JLU rolled around, but they were a pretty fine template, at least. :)

[Hush]

Well Corp your argument about the flash is easily beaten by the fact that he has the greatest scene in all of DCU animation!

[SoulManX]

Well Corp your argument about the flash is easily beaten by the fact that he has the greatest scene in all of DCU animation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFeSjIV_mmo

[TheCorpulent1]

Well Corp your argument about the flash is easily beaten by the fact that he has the greatest scene in all of DCU animation!
Didn't I just say "except for one episode"? I know that scene was badass. It's all his other scenes I have a problem with. :oldrazz:

[SoulManX]

The fact that they're all basically identical except for their hair and lipstick started to annoy me a bit by the time JLU rolled around, but they were a pretty fine template, at least. :)

The Catwoman from the 90's tops the 2000 one easily:o

[SoulManX]

Didn't I just say "except for one episode"? I know that scene was badass. It's all his other scenes I have a problem with. :oldrazz:

What about Speed Demons or the Mr. Miracles ep?

[RogueDK]

I've always loved the episode where Flash & Luthor switch minds. It was a testement to just how awesome the character was even though Wally West wasn't mentally steering the ship in that instance.

I've always felt that Timm & Co. sort of gave John Stewart the proverbial short end of the stick. He did alot of dumb things in certain eps.

The man was knocked out by Aquaman for God's sake...AQUAMAN!

[SoulManX]

I've always loved the episode where Flash & Luthor switch minds. It was a testement to just how awesome the character was even though Wally West wasn't mentally steering the ship in that instance.

I've always felt that Timm & Co. sort of gave John Stewart the proverbial short end of the stick. He did alot of dumb things in certain eps.

The man was knocked out by Aquaman for God's sake...AQUAMAN!

Arthur is pretty strong:o

I love when Lex pulls off Flash's mask and says " I don't even know who this is." :hehe:

[RogueDK]

Arthur is pretty strong:o

Yeah, I know but they (Timm & Co.) seemed to cherry pick Stewart to get setup for that cheapshot while keeping the greater heroes popularity and reputations intact.

I don't care how you spin it, it's emasculating getting punched out by a guy who talks to fish to fight crime.



I love when Lex pulls off Flash's mask and says " I don't even know who this is." :hehe:

That is hilarious. :woot:

[Dr. Fate]

I've always loved the episode where Flash & Luthor switch minds. It was a testement to just how awesome the character was even though Wally West wasn't mentally steering the ship in that instance.

The best part of that episode was listening to Clancy Brown try to play Flash with Lex's voice: "I, Lex Luthor, evil guy..."

[TheCorpulent1]

I've always loved the episode where Flash & Luthor switch minds. It was a testement to just how awesome the character was even though Wally West wasn't mentally steering the ship in that instance.

I've always felt that Timm & Co. sort of gave John Stewart the proverbial short end of the stick. He did alot of dumb things in certain eps.

The man was knocked out by Aquaman for God's sake...AQUAMAN!
I got the opposite impression. It seemed like Green Lantern could do no wrong for a long time. He got batted around now and then, but at the end of the day he's just a guy with a ring, so he's got his limits. He still seemed to get more screen time than most of the other members, plus he had like 3 romantic subplots. That's kind of insane when you consider that the only other major romances on the show belonged to Green Arrow, Black Canary, the Question, and Huntress. It seemed like they realized they had a mostly blank slate with John, who hadn't done a whole lot of memorable stuff in the comics at that point, and decided to essentially make him and Hawkgirl the stars of JLU. Maybe I just noticed it more because I hated Hawkgirl and I'm indifferent to John.
Yeah, I know but they (Timm & Co.) seemed to cherry pick Stewart to get setup for that cheapshot while keeping the greater heroes popularity and reputations intact.

I don't care how you spin it, it's emasculating getting punched out by a guy who talks to fish to fight crime.
A hell of a lot of characters have been emasculated in the comics, then. Even some major ones.

[Anubis]

You got something against the Fish King? Aquaman rocks and it's a travesty he wasn't included in the original seven to begin with.

[RogueDK]

You got something against the Fish King? Aquaman rocks and it's a travesty he wasn't included in the original seven to begin with.

Aquaman is cool; I have nothing against him personally but he's a limited character.

I agree with you that he should have been included in the original seven but that's just my inner Superfriends talking from childhood.
But when water isn't involved, what is he going to do besides riding shotgun with Batman or Wonder Woman?

I did enjoy the ep when he pimp slaps one of the fake Wonder Twins though... :funny:





A hell of a lot of characters have been emasculated in the comics, then. Even some major ones.


You mean like Captain Marvel in CLASH unrightfully so?

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, Captain Marvel went down way too easy in "Clash."

[Anubis]

Aquaman is cool; I have nothing against him personally but he's a limited character.

I agree with you that he should have been included in the original seven but that's just my inner Superfriends talking from childhood.
But when water isn't involved, what is he going to do besides riding shotgun with Batman or Wonder Woman?

I did enjoy the ep when he pimp slaps one of the fake Wonder Twins though...




I don't know, maybe knock the s**t outta things much like freaking Hawkgirl?

Limited? He's at least the third strongest on the team, fast, and could have easily taken Hawkgirl's place as the Mystic cure all on the team.

God i hate Superfriends. Ruined the characters image forever.

[TheCorpulent1]

Fourth strongest. Superman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman.
You got something against the Fish King? Aquaman rocks and it's a travesty he wasn't included in the original seven to begin with.
Blame it on Hawkgirl's snu-snu.

[RogueDK]

Yes, Captain Marvel went down way too easy in "Clash."


The one episode where I hated Superman. It was not supposed to go down like that. Of course it was Timm protecting DC's poster boy.




IGod i hate Superfriends. Ruined the characters image forever.


That it did.

[TheCorpulent1]

I curse Superfriends every night before I go to sleep. I'm glad they at least worked Aquaman into JL somehow, even though he really should've been on the core roster or, at the very least, the expanded JLU roster. It was kind of annoying how he was basically just portrayed as Namor, too.

[RogueDK]

I curse Superfriends every night before I go to sleep. I'm glad they at least worked Aquaman into JL somehow, even though he really should've been on the core roster or, at the very least, the expanded JLU roster. It was kind of annoying how he was basically just portrayed as Namor, too.


You hit it on the head. It's like they can never find a happy medium with this character.

Too happy, then too brash... :huh:

[Dr. Fate]

Yes, Captain Marvel went down way too easy in "Clash."
Poor Captain Marvel, his one & only appearance in the DCAU and all he ended up being was a victim of Superman's misdirected anger/resentment. I kinda hated Supes in this episode too. What's really weird is how Superman put more effort into beating up Captain Marvel than he did any of the villains he fought, even someone he all hated like Darkseid.

[RogueDK]

Poor Captain Marvel, his one & only appearance in the DCAU and all he ended up being was a victim of Superman's misdirected anger/resentment. I kinda hated Supes in this episode too. What's really weird is how Superman put more effort into beating up Captain Marvel than he did any of the villains he fought, even someone he all hated like Darkseid.

It's sometimes hard for me to watch "CLASH" because I favor the Big Red Cheese over Supes even though when this particular show first aired, I already knew the outcome. :csad:

I love the part where Lex is acting all concerned: "Captain, PLEASE! There has to be a better way!" :funny:

[SoulManX]

It's sometimes hard for me to watch "CLASH" because I favor the Big Red Cheese over Supes even though when this particular show first aired, I already knew the outcome. :csad:

I love the part where Lex is acting all concerned: "Captain, PLEASE! There has to be a better way!" :funny:

I so agree with the Clash ep.

[Hush]

I actually loved Clash, finally showed supes had a pair but seeing as Captain is Magic based he should have owned him. The Captain Atom fight is easily the most underrated in the series.

[SoulManX]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4058/39075dcanimateduniversetj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I love what they did with the Question and him getting hooked up with Huntress that was perfect.

[SoulManX]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8368/justiceguildsr6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[SoulManX]

The Zeta Project was the weakest out of the DC Universe:o

[Dr. Fate]

Superman's best Justice League episodes were "Hereafter, part 2" and "For The Man Who Has Everything" (based on the Alan Moore story).

[Abaddon]

I totally agree yet a lot of people act like it was the worst thing to come out of DCUA:o

Dan Turpin's death still gets to me.:csad:





John was boring, they should've switched out the Green Lantern's at some point.:o

[SoulManX]

Dan Turpin's death still gets to me.:csad:





John was boring, they should've switched out the Green Lantern's at some point.:o

That ep was the best wtf moment...still send chills:csad:

[Abaddon]

Best wft moments

1. Dan Turpin's death
2. Batgirl's death. Which was surprisingly violently for a Saturday morning kids show. Timm & Co got away with a lot of ish other shows didn't.
3. Batman singing.:(

[SoulManX]

Best wft moments

1. Dan Turpin's death
2. Batgirl's death. Which was surprisingly violently for a Saturday morning kids show. Timm & Co got away with a lot of ish other shows didn't.
3. Batman singing.:(

2. My god that ep was my god amazing...Gordon was ruthless on Bats
but then if some nut case billionaire mentor my daughter into awinged rat outfit which got her killed by a crazy professor I would go Gordon's route:o

[Abaddon]

That's what got him killed. In the dreamworld anyway.:o

[Gold Samurai]

Shame that cartoons nowadays can't push the limits like the DCAU. The only one that is sort of close is "The Spectacular Spider-man".

His powers were always kind of wonky, too. He's strong enough to kick Darkseid's ass in "Destroyer," but then he was weak enough to be knocked out by every little energy blast or electrical current for years before that. I liked the stories, but Superman himself just didn't feel right to me.

TPTB struggled with how to deal with Superman's power. He couldn't hold the plane and cursed himself(Great Clark!) He can't breath in space and bullets sting him(See "The late Mr kent)

Notice he calls himself "Clark" and once said that he'd go crazy if he were Superman for 24 hours

[Dr. Fate]

To be honest, I thought most of the Wonder Woman oriented episodes of JL/JLU were a bit... clunky.

[RogueDK]

To be honest, I thought most of the Wonder Woman oriented episodes of JL/JLU were a bit... clunky.


Hawk & Dove... :whatever:

[Havok83]

It sort of locks Batman's future into a certain path.
Not necesarily, since no future is certain in comics. Look how many different timelines and AR universes the DCU has explored and crisscrossed. It seems like it would have been a no brainer to have done the same with Terry from Batman Beyond at some point

[bored]

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4058/39075dcanimateduniversetj3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I love what they did with the Question and him getting hooked up with Huntress that was perfect.


I LOVED what they did with Question. He was just fun to watch, and his interplay with Huntress was great.

That's another thing they tended to push the envelope with, besides violence. How often did they reference sex in a just-so-indirect way as to not corrupt the kids?

[CFE]

^I noticed that to.

In 'Question Authority,' Huntress swipes a pocket-hard drive from Question and sticks it in her panties...crotch side :wow:

And the animation on Black Canary when she has her little flirting spar with Ollie...whoa!

[November Rain]

Superman's best Justice League episodes were "Hereafter, part 2" and "For The Man Who Has Everything" (based on the Alan Moore story).
batman's flashback stole the show in ftmwhe

[RogueDK]

batman's flashback stole the show in ftmwhe


Yes that was very moving.

[SoulManX]

Hawk & Dove... :whatever:

I dont know...I kinda like the Hawk and Dove ep. The viking ship ep wasn't to shabby either.

[SoulManX]

batman's flashback stole the show in ftmwhe

Yea Thomas was giving Joe Chill a nice beat down:woot:

[November Rain]

especially when older bats cracked a smile...

it's funny how clark inherits a world he never really lived on in his dreams and all bats wants in his folks and it's supes that goes crazy and not clark...

[RogueDK]

I dont know...I kinda like the Hawk and Dove ep.

Well respectfully, it was a little too effeminate for my tastes. Not because of Wonder Woman but one of those other guys.

An old SNL skit kept coming back to mind as I watched this ep. :whatever:

[SoulManX]

especially when older bats cracked a smile...

it's funny how clark inherits a world he never really lived on in his dreams and all bats wants in his folks and it's supes that goes crazy and not clark...

Joker said it best...

The Joker: What's the matter, Batman? No witty comeback? No threat? Then I'll provide the narration...
[the screen flickers to life and "Our Home Movies" appears]

The Joker: I'll begin with how I peeled back the layers of the boy's mind. Oh, he bravely tried to fight it at first. You would've been proud to see him so strong.

[on the screen, the home video of Joker electrocuting Robin appears]
The Joker: But all too soon, the shocks and the serums took their toll, and the boy began to share such secrets with me. Secrets that are mine alone to know... Bruce. It's true, Batsy! I know everything. And kinda like the kid who peeks at his Christmas presents, I must admit, it's sadly anti-climactic. Behind all the sturm and bat-o-rangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit, crying for mommy and daddy! It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
[pause]

The Joker: Oh, what the heck, I'll laugh anyway. HA HA HA HA HA HAA!

[RogueDK]

Joker said it best...

The Joker: What's the matter, Batman? No witty comeback? No threat? Then I'll provide the narration...
[the screen flickers to life and "Our Home Movies" appears]

The Joker: I'll begin with how I peeled back the layers of the boy's mind. Oh, he bravely tried to fight it at first. You would've been proud to see him so strong.

[on the screen, the home video of Joker electrocuting Robin appears]
The Joker: But all too soon, the shocks and the serums took their toll, and the boy began to share such secrets with me. Secrets that are mine alone to know... Bruce. It's true, Batsy! I know everything. And kinda like the kid who peeks at his Christmas presents, I must admit, it's sadly anti-climactic. Behind all the sturm and bat-o-rangs, you're just a little boy in a playsuit, crying for mommy and daddy! It'd be funny if it weren't so pathetic.
[pause]

The Joker: Oh, what the heck, I'll laugh anyway. HA HA HA HA HA HAA!

I remember my son seeing that for the first time some years ago and being disturbed with that Tim Drake scene. To be honest, I was a little rattled myself for its audacity.

Why should I have been surprised that Timm & Co. pushed the envelope like that for a kid's cartoon?

[TheCorpulent1]

I actually loved Clash, finally showed supes had a pair but seeing as Captain is Magic based he should have owned him. The Captain Atom fight is easily the most underrated in the series.
I loved how the Captain Atom/Superman fight was presented. Superman was clearly gonna kick his ass, but he was so sad about it because he understood that Atom was just doing his duty.

[SoulManX]

What is everyones thought on Static being in the DCAU?

[TheCorpulent1]

I'm excited for it. I may even pick Teen Titans back up to read Static's big debut, even though I'm pretty scared of how badly Sean McKeever will screw it up.

[RogueDK]

Do you mean Static returning to another animated series or the comic book?

[TheCorpulent1]

Comics. Milestone characters are going to be appearing in DC comics now, thanks to some kind of deal McDuffie struck with DC.

[RogueDK]

Comics. Milestone characters are going to be appearing in DC comics now, thanks to some kind of deal McDuffie struck with DC.

Icon? Blood Syndicate? Hardware? They're returning?

Yes, I'm very excited. :word:

[TheCorpulent1]

Icon, the Shadow Cabinet, and I think Hardware are going to appear in JLA. They and Static in Teen Titans are the only Milestone character debuts I've heard of.

[RogueDK]

Static in Titans should make for an interesting read.

[RogueDK]

In TNBA episode of LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT, was Timm or Dini poking fun at Joel Schumacher with that kid playing with the furcoat?

I remember one of the kids called him "Joel" and he had the same type hairstyle. I was looking at the commentary for that show on the BTAS Vol. 4 DVD and they never mentioned it when that scene came up. :huh:

[SoulManX]

Well actually both...I loved him in Batman Beyond and JLU's future. Static in Teen Titians is going to be sweet...Im going start picking it up again.

[SoulManX]

In TNBA episode of LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT, was Timm or Dini poking fun at Joel Schumacher with that kid playing with the furcoat?

I remember one of the kids called him "Joel" and he had the same type hairstyle. I was looking at the commentary for that show on the BTAS Vol. 4 DVD and they never mentioned it when that scene came up. :huh:

Could be:hehe:

I never really thought about it.

[RogueDK]

Could be:hehe:

I never really thought about it.


I didn't pay much attention to it either 10 years ago when it aired but the reason why I was wondering is because "Joel" was getting turned on by saying Batman may have an all-leather costume with nipples or something to that effect while flipping a bang of his hair. :funny:

I mean, that's a pretty bold jab. :funny:

EDIT: I was lucky enough to find a clip of it. Apparently it's true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oewxJmD9TxM

[SoulManX]

I didn't pay much attention to it either 10 years ago when it aired but the reason why I was wondering is because "Joel" was getting turned on by saying Batman may have an all-leather costume with nipples or something to that effect while flipping a bang of his hair. :funny:

I mean, that's a pretty bold jab. :funny:

EDIT: I was lucky enough to find a clip of it. Apparently it's true:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oewxJmD9TxM

Yea that is Joel to a tee:o

[SoulManX]

They should let Timm do The Dark Knight Returns with Michael Ironside:o

[RogueDK]

They should let Timm do The Dark Knight Returns with Michael Ironside:o

That would be cool but I'd want Timm to do a Knightfall/Knightquest animated feature. Introduce Azrael and have him take the mantle of the Bat until Bruce heals from his back being broken.

I want to see Jean Paul Valley descend into madness as he does the things that Batman won't do.

It'd be kind of hard trying to condense that all into 70-75 minutes; may have to do a new series to get that all in.

[TheCorpulent1]

Knightfall/Knightquest/Knightsend would be great if they could make sure Nightwing's involved. With the WB's weird restrictions on using characters in multiple productions and The Graysons in development, they might withhold Dick from a Knightfall movie and, quite frankly, it would be impossible to do a good Knightfall movie without him. The crux of the conflict in Knightfall, in my opinion, is Bruce's lack of faith in Dick to take on the mantle and the disaster it causes, so Dick and Azrael should basically be the main players.

[SoulManX]

Knightfall/Knightquest/Knightsend would be great if they could make sure Nightwing's involved. With the WB's weird restrictions on using characters in multiple productions and The Graysons in development, they might withhold Dick from a Knightfall movie and, quite frankly, it would be impossible to do a good Knightfall movie without him. The crux of the conflict in Knightfall, in my opinion, is Bruce's lack of faith in Dick to take on the mantle and the disaster it causes, so Dick and Azrael should basically be the main players.

Corp you hit this square on jaw...I hated the way WB restricted Nightwing and Tim Drake. What could have been a great JLU ep would have been the Outsiders.

Also no Black Lightning or any other Milestone heroes were allow. Think about JLU could have gone on for at least 3 to 4 more years.

[TheCorpulent1]

I agree. I was disappointed when I heard "Destroyer" would be the last episode.

[SoulManX]

I agree. I was disappointed when I heard "Destroyer" would be the last episode.

The beauty is that a new show wouldnt have to be called JLU...you could call DC Universe or something.

There are so many heroes and villians that have yet to be seen animated.

[SoulManX]

The main problem I see here is WB and Cartoon Network. They dropped the ball on Teen Titans, the dumber than life bat embargo, not using all the Milestone heroes and villians in Static Shock, the list goes on.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, the Static thing was probably the creators' doing. Milestone's characters are all creator-owned. Dwayne McDuffie, who created Static, worked for WB on JLU and Static Shock itself, so he obviously gave his permission for the character to be used. Other Milestone creators presumably haven't given their permission until just recently, allowing the Milestone characters to come to DC's comics.

[Anubis]

Which may or may not end up a deal with the devil type of issue.

[RogueDK]

Also no Black Lightning or any other Milestone heroes were allow. Think about JLU could have gone on for at least 3 to 4 more years.


You did get Black Lightning...well, sort of. He was the Black Vulcan knock-off from the Ulti-Men? You got BL's archvillian Tobias Whale but you know him better as Mandrigora from JLU.

From speaking with BL creator Tony Isabella a year ago, there are still some touchy litigation issues going on with his creation and he claims DC still owes him money from the 70s. There are certain instances where the character is used in the comics though. I didn't pursue asking him any further about it though.

[SoulManX]

Well, the Static thing was probably the creators' doing. Milestone's characters are all creator-owned. Dwayne McDuffie, who created Static, worked for WB on JLU and Static Shock itself, so he obviously gave his permission for the character to be used. Other Milestone creators presumably haven't given their permission until just recently, allowing the Milestone characters to come to DC's comics.

The last time I talk to him the higher ups at WB would not allow him to use Icon and the rest.

[TheCorpulent1]

Really, Warner Bros. owns the Milestone characters too? :huh:

[SoulManX]

You did get Black Lightning...well, sort of. He was the Black Vulcan knock-off from the Ulti-Men? You got BL's archvillian Tobias Whale but you know him better as Mandrigora from JLU.

From speaking with BL creator Tony Isabella a year ago, there are still some touchy litigation issues going on with his creation and he claims DC still owes him money from the 70s. There are certain instances where the character is used in the comics though. I didn't pursue asking him any further about it though.

BL is a favorite of mine and its sad I had to see Juice to get BL. Hell McD had to create Soul Power cuz he couldnt use BL...brother cant get a break:cmad:

[SoulManX]

Really, Warner Bros. owns the Milestone characters too? :huh:

Not at the time but the higher up wouldnt green light scripts with Hardware or Icon that was all he could tell me. The higher ups also wouldnt allow him to use BL either.

[TheCorpulent1]

What the hell? That's weird. :o

[RogueDK]

BL is a favorite of mine and its sad I had to see Juice to get BL. Hell McD had to create Soul Power cuz he couldnt use BL...brother cant get a break:cmad:


I have all of the old issues from my kiddie days. BL is indeed a cool character who hasn't gotten much justice IMO.

You do know that during the 70s, the Hanna-Barbera/WB character Black Vulcan was created just to skirt around paying Isabella any type of royalties for Black Lightning?

He's still pissed over that. I'd imagine I would be...

[SoulManX]

I have all of the old issues from my kiddie days. BL is indeed a cool character who hasn't gotten much justice IMO.

You do know that during the 70s, the Hanna-Barbera/WB character Black Vulcan was created just to skirt around paying Isabella any type of royalties for Black Lightning?

He's still pissed over that. I'd imagine I would be...

Which baffles me just pay him jeez DC is still making its money...I so want a BL action figure.

[SoulManX]

What the hell? That's weird. :o

Well since WB owns CN and Kids Wb I would say they had a lot imput on how the show would be green lighted...the joys of playing hardball.

And as for Teen Titans they could have used Tim Drake and still keep it for kids with out that crappy anime designs.

[union_jak]

The beauty is that a new show wouldnt have to be called JLU...you could call DC Universe or something.

There are so many heroes and villians that have yet to be seen animated.
I'm all for a DCAU version of Birds of Prey. The main stars would obviously be Huntress and Black Canary, with a non-paralysed-no-mask Barbara Gordon doing the Oracle thing. Having these characters also involves people like Green Arrow, the Question, Nightwing and 'honorary' Birds like Hawkgirl or Zatanna. Maybe Lady Shiva or Mary Marvel would appear.

Then of course, it would be based in Gotham and feature Batman's rogues and the Dark Knight himself.

[TheCorpulent1]

Why wouldn't Babs be paralyzed?

[Anubis]

Because of her being not paralyzed as Commish in Batman Beyond.

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, right, Batman Beyond counts for animated continuity. Meh, you know what, just toss it and make her paralyzed anyway. They rebooted Batman's animated continuity once already with The Batman. Why not do it for something good this time?

[union_jak]

Why wouldn't Babs be paralyzed?

Because of her being not paralyzed as Commish in Batman Beyond.
What he said!

Anyway, from what we know from Mystery of the Batwoman and Batman Beyond, Barbara hung up her cape just after Return of the Joker.

[union_jak]

Oh, right, Batman Beyond counts for animated continuity. Meh, you know what, just toss it and make her paralyzed anyway. They rebooted Batman's animated continuity once already with The Batman. Why not do it for something good this time?
I'd prefer it it could work within the BTAS/STAS/JL/JLU universe since JLU shouldn't have been the last we saw of those incarnations.

[Anubis]

Plus, it was the future. They could have cured paralysis at some point. Did you see anybody in a wheel chair in that future? Like Static said, 60's the new 20 or whatever.

[SoulManX]

Plus, it was the future. They could have cured paralysis at some point. Did you see anybody in a wheel chair in that future? Like Static said, 60's the new 20 or whatever.

"60's is the new 40...but I'm liking this idea some thing like Gotham Girls.

[Anubis]

Screw Gotham, I like my BOP global.

[Abaddon]

There was supposed to be a Birds of Prey episode for JLU with Barbara getting injured while hunting down some bad guy and then becoming Oracle, but that got scrapped.

[cerealkiller182]

Really? Wasnt the Bat-embargo in full effect at the point? Why would it even be planned?

[RogueDK]

Bring on Cassandra Cain I say. She's a meaner Batgirl anyway. Timm could do her justice.

[Abaddon]

Dwayne McDuffie on the evolution of “Double Date”: “I pitched a ‘Birds of Prey’ episode where, after Batgirl breaks a leg, Batman orders her off the case and she creates Oracle in retaliation. Huntress and Black Canary do her legwork without ever meeting her in person and crack the case. Batman’s suspicious but can’t prove it. The story didn’t work out, but we did get the terrific Gale Simone’s ‘Double Date’ script instead (courtesy of DwayneMcDuffie.com).”

Gail Simone on “Double Date”: “Bruce [Timm and Dwayne McDuffie were] already digging [Birds of Prey, a DC book written by Simone that features Oracle, Black Canary, and Huntress] and they asked me [to write an episode]. This is kind of a thrill, because getting the chance to work on the JLU is rightly considered a very huge deal in animation—not many get the chance. Since my whole career seems like a bizarre fluke to begin with, it took a while to sink in. Then I jumped at it; Huntress and [Black] Canary animated? Come on, that’s gold.

“Originally we were looking at doing something even more like the current Birds of Prey but, due to some weird rights thing, Oracle / Barbara Gordon wasn’t available. So, rather than try to do a half-way Birds of Prey, they wisely went a different route. The cast was their idea, but I’m delighted because, as regular viewers know, they’ve done miracles with the Question, who was already one of my favorite characters.

Bruce Timm on “Double Date: “‘Double Date’ is a thousand times better episode than the straight-up ‘Birds of Prey’ story we originally pitched, and as a bonus we got the funky Question / Huntress romance out of it, which ultimately added emotional resonance to the four-part Cadmus finale. ‘But we didn’t get to see Barbara Gordon one last time!’ you say…well, boo-freakin’-hoo! Sure, that woulda been a nice one-shot, but look at the big picture: we lost the battle and won the war (courtesy of Toon Zone).”

http://jl.toonzone.net/episode43/episode43.htm


and there it is

[SoulManX]

and there it is

Wow:wow:

[TheCorpulent1]

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid suits can be. "No, you can't use Batgirl because we might possibly decide to use her somewhere else in something Batman-related, maybe." :o

[SoulManX]

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid suits can be. "No, you can't use Batgirl because we might possibly decide to use her somewhere else in something Batman-related, maybe." :o

Aye that really handcuffs the writers...at least we got a nod to Nightwing:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, that split-second "cameo" in a couple frames of one episode? Totally worth it. :o

[SoulManX]

Yeah, that split-second "cameo" in a couple frames of one episode? Totally worth it. :o

Everytime I see it I get a smile.

Which bring me to another thing...oh why do they have to dumb down cartoons in america for kids yet...those same kids can follow Dragonball Z.

[RogueDK]

Everytime I see it I get a smile.

Which bring me to another thing...oh why do they have to dumb down cartoons in america for kids yet...those same kids can follow Dragonball Z.

Do you mean the actual stories or the art styles themselves? Because I have a problem with the latter...

[Anubis]

Dragonball isn't really all that high concept. Bleach on the other hand, would have been a better example.

[TheCorpulent1]

Or Death Note. That series is so complicated that it needs to explain things constantly. I swear to god, if I hear another Death Note character say "in other words," I'm gonna kill someone.

[November Rain]

they try it with gundam wing.

Either kids are unable to dedicate themselves to a long story arc or are stupid or the fat cats upstairs think they are one of those statement.

[Anubis]

I don't watch anime anymore.

[TheCorpulent1]

I wouldn't have watched Death Note either, but I happened to be at my friends' house when they'd gotten the first disc from Netflix and I thought it was an interesting concept. Since then, it's just become a swirling mass of confusion with secret plans wrapped in other secret plans wrapped in making others believe you're ignorant of those plans and so on.

[RogueDK]

I don't watch anime anymore.

Neither do I.

[SoulManX]

I mean in terms of story and plot twists...I was using Dragonball Z as an example. Teen Titans just felt dumb down to me, yet Batman TAS which had 6 years to Adults watching it with adult plots and adult action. Batman TAS still sold tons of toys, tee shirts, etc.

By the way did anyone like LOSH on Kids Wb?

[SoulManX]

they try it with gundam wing.

Either kids are unable to dedicate themselves to a long story arc or are stupid or the fat cats upstairs think they are one of those statement.

I will take fat cats upstairs for 400 Alex:o

[RogueDK]

By the way did anyone like LOSH on Kids Wb?


No. Okay stories, subpar animation and the thing that really ticked me off... NO MON-EL! :cmad:

[SoulManX]

No. Okay stories, subpar animation and the thing that really ticked me off... NO MON-EL! :cmad:

I agree very subpar plus they had to have Superboy to get this thing greenlighted:csad:

The JLU LOSH ep ran rings around this show.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought it was okay. I was disappointed that Cosmic Boy wasn't in it more. He's a founding Legionnaire, after all, but he was treated as an infrequent guest star in the first season and a frequent guest star in the second.

[RogueDK]

I agree very subpar plus they had to have Superboy to get this thing greenlighted:csad:

The JLU LOSH ep ran rings around this show.


How can you have a Legion and instead of having Mon-El give us a clone Superman with a social problem? Lame.
What happened to Timber Wolf's Wolverine hair in this? I mean TW had the hair style way before Logan was created by Marvel.

That cartoon had no business getting greenlit because it appeared not to have been well thought out. :csad:

[Anubis]

It wasn't that bad. Neither was Teen Titans. They had some pretty good episodes in both.

[SoulManX]

It wasn't that bad. Neither was Teen Titans. They had some pretty good episodes in both.


Not enough good to out weight the bad...Timm and co spoiled us:o

[Anubis]

Once you got used to the fact that it wasn't Timm and company, it was quite enjoyable. Especially Teen Titans.

[union_jak]

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid suits can be. "No, you can't use Batgirl because we might possibly decide to use her somewhere else in something Batman-related, maybe." :o
I don't even want to get into the whole Bat-embargo nonsense, but I think it's incredible they used that, yet Superman had Superman Returns, Smallville, Superman|Doomsday, appearances in The Batman, Justice League Unlimited and that Legion show all within a year or so of each other.

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, the embargo doesn't seem to apply to the main characters. Batman was in JLU and The Batman and Batman Begins at the time "Double-Date" was being made. It only seems to apply to other characters in their supporting casts for some reason.

[union_jak]

Which makes it even dumber.

[SoulManX]

Once you got used to the fact that it wasn't Timm and company, it was quite enjoyable. Especially Teen Titans.

I tried with TT only a hand full I really liked...my favorite is the Kid Flash ep.

[Anubis]

I liked the Terra stuff. And that Doom Patrol episode, though they completely missed the point of the Doom Patrol.

[SoulManX]

Well, the embargo doesn't seem to apply to the main characters. Batman was in JLU and The Batman and Batman Begins at the time "Double-Date" was being made. It only seems to apply to other characters in their supporting casts for some reason.

Which is also included...wait for it...The Joker. They could use him for the Injustice League ep in JL but not for JLU:o

[cerealkiller182]

Which is also included...wait for it...The Joker. They could use him for the Injustice League ep in JL but not for JLU:o

The embargo wasnt made until The Batman came on so the Joker was still fair game but still ridiculous because Batman was still in 2 at the same time. Batman in fact had a bigger role in JLU when Batman was on then JL

[SoulManX]

The embargo wasnt made until The Batman came on so the Joker was still fair game but still ridiculous because Batman was still in 2 at the same time. Batman in fact had a bigger role in JLU when Batman was on then JL

I remember hearing Timm say they want to use Joker in JLU but the bat embargo they couldn't.

Dumbest thing I have ever seen limiting a hero's support cast jeez the suits that runs this company really do think the viewing public is dumb as dog water:o

[union_jak]

In Justice League the Clock King, Hugo Strange and Professor Milo something appeared, after being in BTAS. The Joker, Harley Quinn, and crazies like Poison Ivy, Arnold Wesker and Two-Face also made appearances. Just *one* of these, or most importanly the Scarecrow or Riddler, would have made the JLU episodes with the Legion of Doom much better.

[Dr. Fate]

I'll probably get yelled at for saying this, but I'm actually kinda glad it ended when it did. I really don't think they could have topped themselves after Destroyer.

[RogueDK]

I'll probably get yelled at for saying this, but I'm actually kinda glad it ended when it did. I really don't think they could have topped themselves after Destroyer.
You won't get jumped on by me. Besides, even Timm, his staff & the voice actors were feeling a little fatigued with this. They decided to hang it up and that was wise.

Going through the motions just for the paycheck sort of devalues the series IMO, especially when you're just making new episodes to appease a few desperate fanboys.

[Dr. Fate]

You won't get jumped on by me. Besides, even Timm, his staff & the voice actors were feeling a little fatigued with this. They decided to hang it up and that was wise.

Going through the motions just for the paycheck sort of devalues the series IMO, especially when you're just making new episodes to appease a few desperate fanboys.
I agree. By the time of the last stretch, it really felt like they were scraping the bottom of the barrel for ideas. A certain energy just wasn't there anymore. It was better to just go out when they did instead of dragging it out.

[IronLion]

i was upset when jlu ended, because i felt it was an end of an era, but i am glad to have had those great times....

[SoulManX]

i was upset when jlu ended, because i felt it was an end of an era, but i am glad to have had those great times....

I agree:yay:

[Abaddon]

does anyone else feel Batman lost some of his edge in JLU? I thought he got too chummy.:o

[RogueDK]

does anyone else feel Batman lost some of his edge in JLU? I thought he got too chummy.:o

Really? I didn't sense that. When was he chummy?

[Nathan]

I think the Flash Museum episode is a good example.

[November Rain]

does anyone else feel Batman lost some of his edge in JLU? I thought he got too chummy.:o
It became clear they branched out the question for the sake of batman's individualism.

but this was also apparent in the justice lords ep that batman could see how the end justified the means.

I would say the near apocalypse of 09 is probably where bats decides to leave the league and loses his faith in humanity

[RogueDK]

I think the Flash Museum episode is a good example.

Batman wasn't "chummy" in that ep, supportive maybe but hardly chummy.

Do you remember the look Batman gave Orion when he said he wasn't going to Flash's event? Classic pimp. :word:

[SoulManX]

does anyone else feel Batman lost some of his edge in JLU? I thought he got too chummy.:o

Or the ep where the founding members turn themselves to the government..."Im a part timer remember." :brucebat:

[SoulManX]

I think the Flash Museum episode is a good example.

i love that ep.

[Nathan]

The only part I really didn't like in the show was the "5 minutes headstart" part. Batman got way too friendly there.

[SoulManX]

Ok who was the better Superman...Daly or Newbern?

[SoulManX]

The only part I really didn't like in the show was the "5 minutes headstart" part. Batman got way too friendly there.

But I dont see anything wrong with that...Bats still is human:o

[RogueDK]

Ok who was the better Superman...Daly or Newbern?

I'll probably be in the minority with this but I've always liked Tim Daly more.

[Nathan]

But I dont see anything wrong with that...Bats still is human:o

He still shouldn't let a group or murderers and thiefs run free. Turn them in, give them a fair trial. Maybe they get a few years off because they helped save the world. But don't give them a 5 minute head start.

Any lifes that will be taken, or people that get hurt, will be on his head.

[RogueDK]

He still shouldn't let a group or murderers and thiefs run free. Turn them in, give them a fair trial. Maybe they get a few years off because they helped save the world. But don't give them a 5 minute head start.

Any lifes that will be taken, or people that get hurt, will be on his head.
It was a simple courtesy because they helped save the world. It was the last show of the series; I mean does it really matter if they pursued them or not? Unfortunately we'll never know but we assumed they did as they're running into the camera in the last sequence.

I felt it was a nice touch to close out such a great animated series.

[Nathan]

I felt it was a nice touch to close out such a great animated series.

I just felt it was too out of character for Batman. But yeah, it was probably a nice way to end it. I just wish it didn't end. It was such a great cartoon, why didn't it get another season?

[RogueDK]

I just felt it was too out of character for Batman. But yeah, it was probably a nice way to end it. I just wish it didn't end. It was such a great cartoon, why didn't it get another season?

Let's chalk that little Bat gesture up to jumping the shark at the right time then. It's debatable but hardly glaring.

It probably could've gotten another season but everyone felt that it had run its course and they were a little fatigued with the series...

[cerealkiller182]

ID rather just see a well-written cartoon movie from the JLU continuity than an another 1-2 seasons.

[TheCorpulent1]

I thought Batman was handled quite well in JLU. Sure he was softened, but he was on a team that eventually grew into a group of genuine friends over time. You tend to drop your pretenses around people you know so well, and the animated Batman always had more to him than constant brooding and bad attitude, like the comic version has sometimes slipped into. He's a human being with a fully functional if somewhat underutilized sense of humor. I didn't have any problem with Batman being a little softer in JLU, especially since it gave me moments like his declaring Captain Marvel "sunny" in "Clash." :D

[Anubis]

I liked that scene where Supes and bats were sitting in the Batmobile having coffee. I forgot what episode that was in, but I thought it was kinda cool.

[SoulManX]

i thought batman was handled quite well in jlu. Sure he was softened, but he was on a team that eventually grew into a group of genuine friends over time. You tend to drop your pretenses around people you know so well, and the animated batman always had more to him than constant brooding and bad attitude, like the comic version has sometimes slipped into. He's a human being with a fully functional if somewhat underutilized sense of humor. I didn't have any problem with batman being a little softer in jlu, especially since it gave me moments like his declaring captain marvel "sunny" in "clash." :d

co-sign.

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked that scene where Supes and bats were sitting in the Batmobile having coffee. I forgot what episode that was in, but I thought it was kinda cool.
Hmm, I don't remember that one.

[Nathan]

I'm looking for that Episode now. Might be Tabula rasa.

[Anubis]

Hmm, I don't remember that one.

Now i'm gonna have to go home and look through all my JL dvds to find it. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, get on that. I want to watch it now.

[SoulManX]

I love this scene:woot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaL77o3EQQ

[Metamorpho1977]

I liked last night's time travel episode of JLU with Jonah Hex and Batlash. I love the old DC western characters.

[Nathan]

I love this scene:woot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaL77o3EQQ

That's probably one of my favorite moments in all of DCU animation. That look on Superman's face when Batman threw him.

[SoulManX]

You know bruce hooked up with some beautiful women...to bad him and Diana would have not work out:csad:

[TheCorpulent1]

That's probably one of my favorite moments in all of DCU animation. That look on Superman's face when Batman threw him.
Yeah, it's great. Not hurt, not pissed, just... pure disbelief and confusion, like he's wondering, "Did this moron just do what I think he did?" I also like how Batman keeps his cool when Clark sees his identity. "You peeked," and then he gets back at him later on. :D

[RogueDK]

I love this scene:woot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFaL77o3EQQ


On top of that, Bruce Wayne tapped Lois Lane before Clark ever had a chance to...in HIS CITY! :hehe:

Just another testament to Batman's sheer awesomeness! :word:

[SoulManX]

I liked last night's time travel episode of JLU with Jonah Hex and Batlash. I love the old DC western characters.

I love both Jonah Hex ep that one and the one of BTAS.

[SoulManX]

On top of that, Bruce Wayne tapped Lois Lane before Clark ever had a chance to...in HIS CITY! :hehe:

Just another testament to Batman's sheer awesomeness! :word:

Bruce let him know who the man is:woot:

[SoulManX]

Clark got to see how cool it is to be the Dark Knight:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEOCxDdRxb4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgdmhtO9QY4&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95LBZmAzrU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95LBZmAzrU&feature=related

[RogueDK]

Bruce let him know who the man is:woot:


How funny was it for Clark to come over to Lois' apartment and there's Bruce sitting on the couch all in command. He clearly put his stamp on that a##! :lmao:


Bruce: "She all yours now...if you can handle that..."

Summed up Clark like a lightweight. :hehe::funny:

[Nathan]

Clark got to see how cool it is to be the Dark Knight:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEOCxDdRxb4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgdmhtO9QY4&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95LBZmAzrU&feature=related

Knight time was hilarious. :up: Robin: "He's been working out."

[Hush]

I love the scene where in Dark Heart the batplane blows up and you see batman falling and he just so non-chalantly says, " I need a pick up, ASAP, because I can't fly.......like at all. Now would be a good time."

[RogueDK]

Clark got to see how cool it is to be the Dark Knight:o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEOCxDdRxb4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgdmhtO9QY4&feature=relatedhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x95LBZmAzrU&feature=related


I love Timm's sense of humor; anyone notice how Superman exits like he's Dracula after he talks to Gordon? :hehe:

" Where in heavens name have you been?"

"AWAY." :funny:

[SoulManX]

I love Timm's sense of humor; anyone notice how Superman exits like he's Dracula after he talks to Gordon? :hehe:

" Where in heavens name have you been?"

"AWAY." :funny:

When he does Robin's voice that freak out Tim...classic.

[RogueDK]

"Do you know what killed the dinosaurs?"

"Uhh-no. No, sir."

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/Chronos.png

"Well Chucko does!" :funny:



Peter McNichol has the perfect voice for this character.

My other favorite part:

"You forgot to re-adjust the compensator...here, let me..."

*shocks Batman*

"Or maybe I'm lying!"

I don't know why I find that funny but it is. :lmao:

[SoulManX]

How funny was it for Clark to come over to Lois' apartment and there's Bruce sitting on the couch all in command. He clearly put his stamp on that a##! :lmao:


Bruce: "She all yours now...if you can handle that..."

Summed up Clark like a lightweight. :hehe::funny:

Bruce bang them and leave them wanting more:o

[union_jak]

It became clear they branched out the question for the sake of batman's individualism.

but this was also apparent in the justice lords ep that batman could see how the end justified the means.

I would say the near apocalypse of 09 is probably where bats decides to leave the league and loses his faith in humanity
Ooooh I forgot about this, and it's 2009 next year. I really hope they make a Direct-to-DVD movie (read: MOVIE, not 70 minute special) of JLU which focuses on Ra's Al Ghul and the Gotham characters again.

[Anubis]

Tower of babel adaptation maybe?

[TheCorpulent1]

Cataclysm/No Man's Land

[SoulManX]

I would love to see more b-c list heroes and villians on dtd...like Blue Devil, Ragman, Detective Chimp, etc.

[TheCorpulent1]

So you want a Shadowpact DTV, basically? ;)

[SoulManX]

So you want a Shadowpact DTV, basically? ;)

Yep:o

[SoulManX]

SUPERMAN:DOOMDAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noedf3JhFYA

Any thoughts on the movie?

[SoulManX]

Also some great battles...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2BvSqqmidM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o7jH8iVYUk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbT0BIJhXS0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnuqMyU9fIQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfzKlv3n7XY&feature=related

[TheCorpulent1]

SUPERMAN:DOOMDAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noedf3JhFYA

Any thoughts on the movie?
I tried to watch it twice and fell asleep both times. After that I gave up.

[Anubis]

I liked it.

[TheCorpulent1]

You would. :o

[Anubis]

....I hates you Corpy.

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't even know what I meant by that, it just felt like the right time to be snarky.

[Nathan]

Liked the fight, but the rest was kinda meh.

[Anubis]

I don't even know what I meant by that, it just felt like the right time to be snarky.


Gotta trust your instincts.

[Anubis]

I really enjoyed it. Had a lot of great scenes in it. Like when Clone Supes killed Toyman, or when Lex beat the s**t outta the Clone in that Red sun room with the Kryptonite gauntlets? That was like all kinds of Crazy. I just know he had something sticky in his shorts after he was done with his.....therapy. :)

[TheCorpulent1]

I think it would've been better if they'd introduced the Reign of the Superman characters. How badass would it have been to see Supergirl try to pick up in Clark's place, the clone develop into Superboy, and Steel take up the "S" in Superman's memory while the Eradicator and the Cyborg f*** s*** up?

[Anubis]

Meh.

[TheCorpulent1]

It's because Steel's black, isn't it? :o

[RogueDK]

SUPERMAN:DOOMDAY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noedf3JhFYA

Any thoughts on the movie?


I thought that the movie on a whole was pretty good. Hardly epic.

It might've helped the aesthetic if they hadn't given Superman those craggy lines in his face; he looked like Ronald Reagan. :whatever:

[TheCorpulent1]

You'd think they'd learn their lesson after fan outcry forced them to remove the lines from his face in Justice League.

[SoulManX]

I really enjoyed it. Had a lot of great scenes in it. Like when Clone Supes killed Toyman, or when Lex beat the s**t outta the Clone in that Red sun room with the Kryptonite gauntlets? That was like all kinds of Crazy. I just know he had something sticky in his shorts after he was done with his.....therapy. :)

Homo Lex was kinda creepy with his man god love:wow:

[SoulManX]

I thought that the movie on a whole was pretty good. Hardly epic.

It might've helped the aesthetic if they hadn't given Superman those craggy lines in his face; he looked like Ronald Reagan. :whatever:

Adam Baldwin was meh as Supes:o

[Anubis]

It's because Steel's black, isn't it? :o


Of course not, how dare you sir!?! :mad:

It's because Superboy's white. :o

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, that's cool.

[RogueDK]

Adam Baldwin was meh as Supes:o
Yeah, I wanted Tim Daly back but Adam was passable.

[SoulManX]

Yeah, I wanted Tim Daly back but Adam was passable.

Yea Tim came back for that ****ty Brainiac attacks:o

[RogueDK]

Yea Tim came back for that ****ty Brainiac attacks:o


I've never seen that one but my kid has and he says that it positively stunk! :hehe:

[Abaddon]

Bruce bang them and leave them wanting more:o

I think Amanda Waller wanted some.:o

[SoulManX]

I think Amanda Waller wanted some.:o

You know Bruce laid batpole on that big broad:o

[RogueDK]

You know Bruce laid batpole on that big broad:o


http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g245/RougeArtist/batmanws7.gif

[SoulManX]

I've never seen that one but my kid has and he says that it positively stunk! :hehe:

Your kid got taste.

[SoulManX]

Now I bring up this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scDAm3RyoHM

Thoughts?

[RogueDK]

Now I bring up this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scDAm3RyoHM

Thoughts?



LOL!

"I think I pi##ed my pants!"

That's pretty good. :word:

[Dr. Fate]

I'll probably be in the minority with this but I've always liked Tim Daly more.
I thought the majority liked Tim Daly better than George Newbern. I guess that just goes to show how out of touch I am.:o

Anyhow, I also preferred Tim Daly as Superman's voice, and I still regret that he wasn't able to reprise the part due to his Fugitive schedule. George Newbern got better as he went along, but sometimes his voice was a little too... fluffy (great job in "For The Man Who Has Everything" though). Also, it's just a consistency thing, you know? It's nice to have the same guy handling the character once you've gotten used to him. One great thing about the DCAU was that it was Kevin Conroy as Batman from start to finish.


Off hand, I kinda wished Hal Jordan had shown up as Parallax, just to give the League another villain and give Hal some visibility in the DCAU, but that's just me.

[SoulManX]

I thought the majority liked Tim Daly better than George Newbern. I guess that just goes to show how out of touch I am.:o

Anyhow, I also preferred Tim Daly as Superman's voice, and I still regret that he wasn't able to reprise the part due to his Fugitive schedule. George Newbern got better as he went along, but sometimes his voice was a little too... fluffy (great job in "For The Man Who Has Everything" though). Also, it's just a consistency thing, you know? It's nice to have the same guy handling the character once you've gotten used to him. One great thing about the DCAU was that it was Kevin Conroy as Batman from start to finish.


Off hand, I kinda wished Hal Jordan had shown up as Parallax, just to give the League another villain and give Hal some visibility in the DCAU, but that's just me.

:up:

[SoulManX]

Another great ep was the dirty cop that found out that Clark was Superman while in the gas chamber.

[Dr. Fate]

Another great ep was the dirty cop that found out that Clark was Superman while in the gas chamber.
"The Late Mr. Kent". Definitely in the top 5 best eps of that series.

And yes, Brainiac Attacks sucked. The only nice thing I can think to say about it, other than it was nice to hear Tim Daly's voice coming out of Superman's mouth again, was the final fight between Superman and the big Brainiac bot. That was the only part that was mildly entertaining.

It's a shame they didn't use BA as a chance to bridge the gap between the end of Superman TAS and the beginning of Justice League, show how Superman regained Earth's trust.

[RogueDK]

^^^"The Late Mr. Kent". That was pretty serious for a cartoon. Especially that ending.

[SoulManX]

^^^"The Late Mr. Kent". That was pretty serious for a cartoon. Especially that ending.

I know it why I miss the Timmiverse.

Another great ep from Batman TAS
"It's Never Too Late"


A mob war between crime bosses Rupert Thorne and Arnold Stromwell is nearing it's end, and comes to a climax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climax_%28narrative%29) when Stromwell is set up to be killed in an exploding bar by Thorne. Batman saves him at the last moment, and persuades Stromwell to use his fall into disgrace to help him bring Thorne in, mostly for the sakes of his wife, his ill son and his estranged brother, as well as his own.

[Hypestyle]

where is the Hal Jordan solo adventure? or the team-up with John Stewart?

[Dr. Fate]

I know it why I miss the Timmiverse.

Another great ep from Batman TAS
"It's Never Too Late"


A mob war between crime bosses Rupert Thorne and Arnold Stromwell is nearing it's end, and comes to a climax (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climax_%28narrative%29) when Stromwell is set up to be killed in an exploding bar by Thorne. Batman saves him at the last moment, and persuades Stromwell to use his fall into disgrace to help him bring Thorne in, mostly for the sakes of his wife, his ill son and his estranged brother, as well as his own.
That was also a good episode.


So... did anyone else want to see Hal Jordan doing his Parallax thing? If only to give him some measure of visibility in the DCAU? I'm guessing maybe they chose not to use that storyline since it was controversial with fans in the comics, or maybe it was something else.

[RogueDK]

So... did anyone else want to see Hal Jordan doing his Parallax thing? If only to give him some measure of visibility in the DCAU? I'm guessing maybe they chose not to use that storyline since it was controversial with fans in the comics, or maybe it was something else.


You noticed that they introduced Kyle Rayner in the third season of STAS as if Jordan didn't exist. Jordan did get a 30 second cameo in JLU.

Which happens to be the particular episode on tonight.

[Dr. Fate]

You noticed that they introduced Kyle Rayner in the third season of STAS as if Jordan didn't exist. Jordan did get a 30 second cameo in JLU.

Which happens to be the particular episode on tonight.
I know how Kyle was introduced and how Hal got a 30 second cameo in JLU, I'm talking about regular recurring visibility beyond a 30 second cameo.

[Abaddon]

I don't know much about Hal but I would've preferred him over John, especially if they had him go evil.

[RogueDK]

I know how Kyle was introduced and how Hal got a 30 second cameo in JLU, I'm talking about regular recurring visibility beyond a 30 second cameo.
That's my point. WB decided not to. Why do you think that they gave Jordan's orgin to Rayner?

The whole Parallax thing was still fresh and they wanted to force-feed us KYLE RAYNER as the new GL. It just didn't take...

[TheCorpulent1]

It took just fine. The creators of JL used John for more diversity, just like they used Hawkgirl instead of Aquaman for more diversity.

[SoulManX]

It took just fine. The creators of JL used John for more diversity, just like they used Hawkgirl instead of Aquaman for more diversity.

Not only that but John is Timm's favorite GL :o

Actually I have no problem with John they made him more like Shaft which is fine by me:woot:

Its his duty to please all that booty:o

[TheCorpulent1]

I would've preferred Kyle, and I would've liked to see an Alan Scott episode when they switched to JLU and there were several Justice Society members in their ranks. But I think the show did an excellent job with John, so I can't complain.