Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party

[Kelly]

Republicans aren't allowed to disagree with Rush...


Tell that to the Republicans I know.....they hate the guy ALMOST, as much as I hate Pelosi.

[hippie_hunter]

Republicans aren't allowed to disagree with Rush...

I hate and always disagree with Rush :cmad:

[The Senator]

It is interesting to me, though, that the top Republicans-- such as Eric Cantor and Michael Steele-- have criticized Rush Limbaugh, and then almost instantaneously withdrew their criticisms and replaced it with praise... yeah, there are a lot of Republicans who disagree with Rush, but the ones who matter are almost in lock-step behind him...

[Marx]

It is interesting to me, though, that the top Republicans-- such as Eric Cantor and Michael Steele-- have criticized Rush Limbaugh, and then almost instantaneously withdrew their criticisms and replaced it with praise... yeah, there are a lot of Republicans who disagree with Rush, but the ones who matter are almost in lock-step behind him...

Newt Gingrich has yet to apologize for his comments about Rush.

[The Senator]

Newt Gingrich has yet to apologize for his comments about Rush.

But is Newt Gingrich in a position of importance, like Cantor or Steele? Aside from being the former Speaker of the House, Gingrich isn't in a prominent political position and therefore his comments regarding Limbaugh aren't as important as the comments coming from the Republican leadership.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Everytime this thread pops to the top in my "User CP", I hear that old rap song "There's No Future (You're Frontin')".

:dry:

The party is dead. These latest fiascos with Limbaugh--and the party's vested faith in him--confirms it...at least for me.

[Kelly]

Everytime this thread pops to the top in my "User CP", I hear that old rap song "There's No Future (You're Frontin')".

:dry:

The party is dead. These latest fiascos with Limbaugh--and the party's vested faith in him--confirms it...at least for me.


Was the party ever alive to you?

[Lightning Strykez!]

Was the party ever alive to you?

Well, technically, it seemed like it was going back on life-support during the Sarah Palin days...but we all know how that turned out. :p

[The Senator]

Well, technically, it seemed like it was going back on life-support during the Sarah Palin days...but we all know how that turned out. :p

And to think, if only the Republicans had pulled her feeding tube, they may have had a chance at winning. :csad:

[Lightning Strykez!]

And to think, if only the Republicans had pulled her feeding tube, they may have had a chance at winning. :csad:

Nah, I think it was always set for utter doomage from the get-go, but needless to say it would have been more interesting. So in a way I do agree with you.

[Kelly]

Nah, I think it was always set for utter doomage from the get-go, but needless to say it would have been more interesting. So in a way I do agree with you.

You realize from "the get go" these two parties were actually pretty much opposite of what they are now....

[MaskedManJRK]

Y'know, sometimes I see some remarks from people like Megan McCain, Newt, Paul, and think that there's a chance the Republican party might pull itself together.

Then I read something like this (http://www.politicalbyline.com/2009/03/15/memo-to-megan-mccain-you-dont-speak-for-me-*****/), and I'm pulled right back to reality. The party's f**king doomed.

[The Senator]

All I have to do is listen to whatever horse **** is flying from the mouths of Eric Cantor or John Boehner to understand that the party has a low chance of regaining its stature in the foreseeable future. Never mind what any political pundit has to say; the leadership in the party right now is so fatally flawed, I can't see how conservatism will regain any sort of momentum within the next two to four years.

[sinewave]

are you guys serious about meghan mccain? what qualifies her as a potential politician, let alone party leader? just because of her last name? she doesn't strike me as a capable politician in the slightest. bleached-out trophy-wife? sure.

[Kelly]

are you guys serious about meghan mccain? what qualifies her as a potential politician, let alone party leader? just because of her last name? she doesn't strike me as a capable politician in the slightest. bleached-out trophy-wife? sure.


You actually had a solid argument, until you screwed it up with your male chauvinist last comment...

[sinewave]

You actually had a solid argument, until you screwed it up with your male chauvinist last comment...

how am i wrong about her? she's bleached out and i don't see her being any better than her mom, who is a trophy wife.

[Marx]

are you guys serious about meghan mccain? what qualifies her as a potential politician, let alone party leader? just because of her last name? she doesn't strike me as a capable politician in the slightest. bleached-out trophy-wife? sure.

Megan McCain is a very smart young woman. You're just being a partisan hack if you suggest otherwise.

I haven't read back through the past page, but I highly doubt that anyone is suggesting that she is the future leader of the party. What I would say (and I agree with) is that others are saying that PEOPLE LIKE HER are the future of the party.

[Kelly]

how am i wrong about her? she's bleached out and i don't see her being any better than her mom, who is a trophy wife.

Yeah, founding the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) one of the largest medical/doctor/treatment teams to developing nations out there. A charity that she not only lends her name and money to, but also much of her time, even after having a stroke, she does an immense amount of work through her charities.

You may disagree with the policy of her husband, but she is very well known through her charities, within people that work in areas of the medical field abroad.

As far as her daughter, again you don't agree with her choice of policy to follow, her choice to campaign for her father, etc....that's fine. But you have absolutely no evidence that she will be nothing more than a "trophy wife".

So if that's your opinion, that's cool, you have every right to it. But it is a male chauvinist comment, and not worthy of any more time in discussion.

Her policy, and disagreement in that, sure, discussion of that is fine......but other than that, nah......

[Paradoxium]

From what I can find out about her, she is a social liberal, and there is no indication she is a fiscal conservative at all (especially if she is anything like her father fiscally). She might as well be interchangeable between the Republican and Democrats. Nothing special about this, it's almost... underwhelming :o

A lot of Republicans like to say they are fiscal conservative but they seldom are in action.

[SuBe]

From what I can find out about her, she is a social liberal, and there is no indication she is a fiscal conservative at all (especially if she is anything like her father fiscally). She might as well be interchangeable between the Republican and Democrats. Nothing special about this, it's almost... underwhelming :o

A lot of Republicans like to say they are fiscal conservative but they seldom are in action.
I agree, there is nothing special about Megan McCain.

[Kelly]

From what I can find out about her, she is a social liberal, and there is no indication she is a fiscal conservative at all (especially if she is anything like her father fiscally). She might as well be interchangeable between the Republican and Democrats. Nothing special about this, it's almost... underwhelming :o

A lot of Republicans like to say they are fiscal conservative but they seldom are in action.

I agree, there is nothing special about Megan McCain.

I don't think she herself, is the future of the Republican Party, but I do think that a shift towards her way of thinking is needed in the Republican Party....

[Marx]

From what I can find out about her, she is a social liberal, and there is no indication she is a fiscal conservative at all (especially if she is anything like her father fiscally). She might as well be interchangeable between the Republican and Democrats. Nothing special about this, it's almost... underwhelming :o

A lot of Republicans like to say they are fiscal conservative but they seldom are in action.

I agree, there is nothing special about Megan McCain.

She isn't an ultra right wing nutjob. And that's a good thing. The Republican Party's future lies in the hands of people like Megan McCain. That's the point. The Republican Party will die in the hands of people like Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee.

[SuBe]

She isn't an ultra right wing nutjob. And that's a good thing. The Republican Party's future lies in the hands of people like Megan McCain. That's the point. The Republican Party will die in the hands of people like Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee.
What's the point of having a 2 party system that both parties believe in the same thing?

[Marx]

What's the point of having a 2 party system that both parties believe in the same thing?

I'm not talking about a multi-party system. I am talking about the future of the Republican Party.

[SuBe]

So am I, why does the survival of the Republican Party hang on them believing the same stuff as the Democrats?

[The Overlord]

So am I, why does the survival of the Republican Party hang on them believing the same stuff as the Democrats?

They don't believe in the same things, the Dems believe in evolution, the GOP does not. :woot:

[Kelly]

So am I, why does the survival of the Republican Party hang on them believing the same stuff as the Democrats?

I don't think its that at all.....I think it is them (old party line white men) need to allow people in their party to believe further to the center.

Someone, might have been you, not sure.....said it best.


Moving more towards the center doesn't make you a liberal, and vice versa....

[Marx]

So am I, why does the survival of the Republican Party hang on them believing the same stuff as the Democrats?

Having a Republican Party that finally breaks the stranglehold of religious nut jobs does not equal the same thing as a Democratic Party. :huh:

[Paradoxium]

The Republicans needs to be fiscally conservative and less paternalistic.

A ultra right wing nutjob Evangelical is no different from a left wing social engineer who thinks every human are artificially malleable blank slates. In both cases they playing the paternalistic state demigod. Different salad dressing same old ********. Someone explain to me how Meghan is different from this mold of thinking? I haven't found anything from her which exudes this contrary view.

[Marx]

The Republicans needs to be fiscally conservative and less paternalistic.

A ultra right wing nutjob Evangelical is no different from a left wing social engineer who thinks every human are artificially malleable blank slates. In both cases they playing the paternalistic state demigod. Different salad dressing same old ********. Someone explain to me how Meghan is different from this mold of thinking? I haven't found anything from her which exudes this contrary view.

...and so we're back to the same old broken record argument made against anyone who suggests the GOP move away from the hard right.

I have never said that the extreme left is better than the extreme right. I, along with many many others have ALWAYS said that the extremes are bad no matter what side they fall on.

[SuBe]

The Republicans needs to be fiscally conservative and less paternalistic.

A ultra right wing nutjob Evangelical is no different from a left wing social engineer who thinks every human are artificially malleable blank slates. In both cases they playing the paternalistic state demigod. Different salad dressing same old ********. Someone explain to me how Meghan is different from this mold of thinking? I haven't found anything from her which exudes this contrary view.
Again, I agree. The Republican Party needs to adopt a Classical Liberal (libertarian, small L) platform and get away from the Social Engineer format of thought. Protection of Rights should be their Priority.

[Humphrey Bogart]

All the Republicans had to do was actually put into practice what they believed. The whole "fiscal conservatism" and "small government" thing. They didn't, they got what they deserved. The only problem with that is what means for those of us who actually believe that those things are worthwhile. We have nowhere to go.

[Paradoxium]

...and so we're back to the same old broken record argument made against anyone who suggests the GOP move away from the hard right.

I have never said that the extreme left is better than the extreme right. I, along with many many others have ALWAYS said that the extremes are bad no matter what side they fall on.It's not extremes so much as paternalism. One can be socially moderate and still be paternalistic. The issue is in forcing certain things on people. Both parties do this, I couldn't care less if it is left, right or middle.

[Paradoxium]

I think how you approach fiscal and economic policy begets political and social thinking. This applies to both parties.

Get a social democrat to run his own business and I guarantee you (8 times out of 10) after 5 years his political leanings will change considerably.

[sinewave]

Megan McCain is a very smart young woman. You're just being a partisan hack if you suggest otherwise.

I haven't read back through the past page, but I highly doubt that anyone is suggesting that she is the future leader of the party. What I would say (and I agree with) is that others are saying that PEOPLE LIKE HER are the future of the party.

that may be true, but i've yet to see proof of it. i don't have any idea what her true political views are, all i'm going off is what little i've seen of her in interviews and she hasn't impressed me at all. someone did post something about her leading the party earlier, that's what i was responding to.

Yeah, founding the American Voluntary Medical Team (AVMT) one of the largest medical/doctor/treatment teams to developing nations out there. A charity that she not only lends her name and money to, but also much of her time, even after having a stroke, she does an immense amount of work through her charities.

You may disagree with the policy of her husband, but she is very well known through her charities, within people that work in areas of the medical field abroad.

As far as her daughter, again you don't agree with her choice of policy to follow, her choice to campaign for her father, etc....that's fine. But you have absolutely no evidence that she will be nothing more than a "trophy wife".

So if that's your opinion, that's cool, you have every right to it. But it is a male chauvinist comment, and not worthy of any more time in discussion.

Her policy, and disagreement in that, sure, discussion of that is fine......but other than that, nah......

ok, i'll give her credit for that AVMT thing, but aside from that, all she does is hang off mccain's arm and smile her botoxed smile like a statue. i've yet to hear her say anything compelling. i resent being called a male chauvinist. that sounds like a typical knee-jerk reaction to saying anything bad about a woman.

[Kelly]

I only call them as I see them.....

[sinewave]

I only call them as I see them.....

so if i said you were acting like an a-hole, that'd be ok because i'm calling like i see it, right? :whatever:

[The Overlord]

I think how you approach fiscal and economic policy begets political and social thinking. This applies to both parties.

Get a social democrat to run his own business and I guarantee you (8 times out of 10) after 5 years his political leanings will change considerably.

Didn't Warren Buffet vote for Obama and Bill Gates?

[The Senator]

I didn't know Bill Gates ran for office.

[Kelly]

Didn't Warren Buffet vote for Obama and Bill Gates?


I'm not sure, and I would be more interested in knowing who Bloomberg voted for more than the 2 you mentioned.

[Paradoxium]

Didn't Warren Buffet vote for Obama and Bill Gates?Buffet is not an entrepreneur, he is a financier and investor. Nevermind his Berkshire company was stripped of its AAA rating and all the money he is losing recently, on top of recommending (publicly) to people to invest in GE and a bunch of bad financial stocks (something Jon Stewart was *****ing about). Forgetting these incredibly important facts, the exceptions seldom negates the norms.

[Kelly]

Yeah Dox, but tell us who stripped him of the AAA rating....lmao.

[hippie_hunter]

that may be true, but i've yet to see proof of it. i don't have any idea what her true political views are, all i'm going off is what little i've seen of her in interviews and she hasn't impressed me at all. someone did post something about her leading the party earlier, that's what i was responding to.
How about you actually read her articles where she has been constantly criticizing the Republicans for being out of touch, Ann Coulter, and needing to change before you go off and dismiss her.

ok, i'll give her credit for that AVMT thing, but aside from that, all she does is hang off mccain's arm and smile her botoxed smile like a statue. i've yet to hear her say anything compelling. i resent being called a male chauvinist. that sounds like a typical knee-jerk reaction to saying anything bad about a woman.
I wouldn't say that you're a chauvinist, I'd say that you're automatically dismissive of anything that is remotely Republican regardless of who or what someone or something is.

[sinewave]

How about you actually read her articles where she has been constantly criticizing the Republicans for being out of touch, Ann Coulter, and needing to change before you go off and dismiss her.

i'll look them up. i just now found out she's actually a writer. i'll have to read some of her stuff to see if she's worth a damn or just cashing in off her name.

I wouldn't say that you're a chauvinist, I'd say that you're automatically dismissive of anything that is remotely Republican regardless of who or what someone or something is.

that's a lot closer to the truth than what kel was trying to peg me as. conservatism is just ass-backwards to me.

edit: ok, i just read a couple of her articles on "the daily beast" site and my opinion of her hasn't really changed. she writes fluff pieces like how the campaign has effected her dating life. that's not journalism, that's like something out of elle magazine. i'd give her slight props for going after coulter and ingraham, but really, does she only deserve them beaucse she's attacking them as a republican? because i gotta tell ya, that should be a common sense thing regardless of party, so meh. good for her at being a "progressive republican", but if she were truly interested in progressive ideas she'd ditch the republican party pronto.

[Matt]

Because no one can believe in fiscal responsibility and smaller government without being "ass-backwards," so she ought to just "ditch the party?"

There is a difference between a Republican and a neo-conservative, far right, Rovian.

[Kelly]

Because no one can believe in fiscal responsibility and smaller government without being "ass-backwards," so she ought to just "ditch the party?"

There is a difference between a Republican and a neo-conservative, far right, Rovian.


But she's blonde Matt, she's blonde.....Blonde Republicans are the worst...:lips: we only like brunettes....

[Paradoxium]

I prefer raven black haired girls :o

[StorminNorman]

The party is dead.
:lmao:

Please tell me you don't honestly believe that.

[The Senator]

While Meghan McCain needs a little more tact, she does seem to know what she is talking about. More than any Republican currently calling the shots, at least.

[StorminNorman]

Y'know, sometimes I see some remarks from people like Megan McCain, Newt, Paul, and think that there's a chance the Republican party might pull itself together.

Then I read something like this (http://www.politicalbyline.com/2009/03/15/memo-to-megan-mccain-you-dont-speak-for-me-*****/), and I'm pulled right back to reality. The party's f**king doomed.

I am really tired of seeing intellectually lazy, immature posts like this.

[CaptainClown]

I think this party as one whole unit will fall but out of those ashes a new party of economically conservative socially liberal party will rise drawing in a lot of the younger generations. The conservative socially and economically party will become a small minority though. That is what CC predicts and you all owe me 1 Obama Dollar if that happens.

[StorminNorman]

I think this party as one whole unit will fall but out of those ashes a new party of economically conservative socially liberal party will rise drawing in a lot of the younger generations. The conservative socially and economically party will become a small minority though. That is what CC predicts and you all owe me 1 Obama Dollar if that happens.

I am all out of Obama Dollars...but I have a lot of Obama fingers.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,612684,00.html

[ShadowBoxing]

What's the point of having a 2 party system that both parties believe in the same thing?
Parties have never held the same ideology throughout their members:huh:

[CaptainClown]

I am all out of Obama Dollars...but I have a lot of Obama fingers.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,612684,00.html
christ....oh well I don't know why I am surprised anymore

[The Senator]

That is what CC predicts and you all owe me 1 Obama Dollar if that happens.

Obama Dollar, or Obama Buck? Because I've heard you can buy all the watermelon and KFC you need with one Obama buck. In a non-racist manner, of course. :o

[SsM]

so if i said you were acting like an a-hole, that'd be ok because i'm calling like i see it, right? :whatever:


He isn't acting like an a-hole at all.... So NO, I would think it wouldn't be ok...

[sinewave]

Because no one can believe in fiscal responsibility and smaller government without being "ass-backwards," so she ought to just "ditch the party?"

There is a difference between a Republican and a neo-conservative, far right, Rovian.

:whatever: :ikyn

But she's blonde Matt, she's blonde.....Blonde Republicans are the worst...:lips: we only like brunettes....

bleach blonds just scream "bimbo" to me. i can't take them seriously.

[StorminNorman]

christ....oh well I don't know why I am surprised anymore

Is exasperation over the racist overtones (which I don't think exist here due to it being made in Germany and not Georgia) or "Obama the product"?

[Matt]

:whatever: :ikyn


Why can't you give a thought out comment to my critique of your assertion?


bleach blonds just scream "bimbo" to me. i can't take them seriously.

I wonder what you would say if a poster said they could not take somebody seriously because they are gay or are black. Just because someone has bleach blonde hair doesn't make them a bimbo or make their opinion any less valid.

[sinewave]

Why can't you give a thought out comment to my critique of your assertion?

1. **** you.

2. i'll respond with legitimate comments when you stop twisting my words and hiding behind your mod-ship while antagonizing others.


I wonder what you would say if a poster said they could not take somebody seriously because they are gay or are black. Just because someone has bleach blonde hair doesn't make them a bimbo or make their opinion any less valid.

that's moronic. nobody chooses to be black or gay. they do, however, choose to look like skanks.

[Matt]

What happened to you Sinewave? We used to get on great, now that I have a differing opinion of you on Barack Obama you're incredibly hostile. Why?

[Marx]

1. **** you.

2. i'll respond with legitimate comments when you stop twisting my words and hiding behind your mod-ship while antagonizing others.




that's moronic. nobody chooses to be black or gay. they do, however, choose to look like skanks.

Megan McCain doesn't look like a skank. She doesn't look like a bleached idiot either. You really need to form an opinion about someone beyond their looks sin.

[hippie_hunter]

I think this party as one whole unit will fall but out of those ashes a new party of economically conservative socially liberal party will rise drawing in a lot of the younger generations. The conservative socially and economically party will become a small minority though. That is what CC predicts and you all owe me 1 Obama Dollar if that happens.

I only wager in Bison Dollars.

[SsM]

1. **** you.

2. i'll respond with legitimate comments when you stop twisting my words and hiding behind your mod-ship while antagonizing others.




that's moronic. nobody chooses to be black or gay. they do, however, choose to look like skanks.


Man What are you talking about??!!! He just asked you a simple question.




Haven't you ever heard the saying Don't judge a book by its cover???

[CaptainClown]

I only wager in Bison Dollars.
Lucky me
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[hippie_hunter]

:whatever: :ikyn



bleach blonds just scream "bimbo" to me. i can't take them seriously.

1. **** you.

2. i'll respond with legitimate comments when you stop twisting my words and hiding behind your mod-ship while antagonizing others.




that's moronic. nobody chooses to be black or gay. they do, however, choose to look like skanks.

You're really coming off as an ass here with these comments sine :o

[hippie_hunter]

Lucky me
http://i39.tinypic.com/cuefm.jpg

Then I wager 500 Bison Dollars!

That's $3,492.74!

[SsM]

Raul Julia(SP) kind of looks like barack obama there... I actually thought those were obama dollars at first :/

[Matt]

Raul Julia(SP) kind of looks like barack obama there... I actually thought those were obama dollars at first :/

:lmao: He does.

[hippie_hunter]

Raul Julia(SP) kind of looks like barack obama there... I actually thought those were obama dollars at first :/

Would you rather have the Neal McDonough on those instead?

[CaptainClown]

lmao ^^

[SsM]

Would you rather have the Neal McDonough on those instead?


I know nothing of that creation...


._.

[Kelly]

Those dollars look like Obama as a dictator........I don't like that....he's definitely not a dictator.

[hippie_hunter]

Damn that Raul Julia for looking like Obama on printed money :cmad:

[Kelly]

Kinda scarry....lol





Did anyone watch "Kings" lastnight.....


Pretty interesting series....

[Doomed_hero]

looked more like Sam L. Jackson to me.

[SsM]

Son of a... it does look like Sam too!

[Kelly]

Oh lord....Sam L. as a dictator.......NOW THAT is scary...

[SsM]

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO! WE ARE GOING to GET OUT OF THIS CRISIS!

[Superman]

1. **** you.

2. i'll respond with legitimate comments when you stop twisting my words and hiding behind your mod-ship while antagonizing others.




that's moronic. nobody chooses to be black or gay. they do, however, choose to look like skanks.

...hiding behind your mod-ship while antagonizing others.
That sums him up perfectly.

[Matt]

You're hostile tonight, Supes.

[Matt]

Also, your signature is off. How can Bush work for his corporate cronies? Doesn't cronies imply that they work for him? Should't it be his corporate overlords or puppet masters or something?

[StorminNorman]

1. **** you.

2. i'll respond with legitimate comments when you stop twisting my words and hiding behind your mod-ship while antagonizing others.




that's moronic. nobody chooses to be black or gay. they do, however, choose to look like skanks.

sinewave, while I don't agree with you and, quite frankly, I am not your biggest friend - but you can do so much than this. This makes you sound like a complete tool which, differing opinions beside, you are not.

[hippie_hunter]

That sums him up perfectly.

Matt wasn't being hostile or antagonistic at all here.

[StorminNorman]

That sums him up perfectly.

sinewave, while I don't agree with you and, quite frankly, I am not your biggest friend - but you can do so much than this. This makes you sound like a complete tool which, differing opinions beside, you are not.

:lmao:

:lmao:

:lmao:

[CaptainClown]

Is Sinewave a communist or something?

[StorminNorman]

Sinewave's views tend to be communistic. And I mean that without any judgment or insult implied. He has admitted to such recently.

[CaptainClown]

I am not saying communist as its a bad thing, but his ideas seem to go strongly against the ideals of America in general. Ya, I think I read him admitting that he was a communist. Oh well, I am a capitalist dog.

[Paradoxium]

The term "progressive" is really an euphemism for small-c communism. I rather people openly admit it then try to hide it... so credit is due to Sinewave for that much. More ballsier than the pretenders who are one, but deny it.

[SuBe]

Modern Liberalism, Socialism, communism, Progressivism, Marxism. Same thing different words with different degrees.

[BlackestNight]

Lucky me
http://i39.tinypic.com/cuefm.jpg

Oh lord....Sam L. as a dictator.......NOW THAT is scary...
OMG that reminds me of Sam L. in The Spirit when we was wearing that Nazi uniform. :lmao:

[Timstuff]

Given the rate at which the US is printing money, I'd say now is a fine time to start investing in Bison dollars. Pretty soon, they'll be worth more than the US dollar!

[Kelly]

I am not saying communist as its a bad thing, but his ideas seem to go strongly against the ideals of America in general. Ya, I think I read him admitting that he was a communist. Oh well, I am a capitalist dog.


Yeah, communism worked great on paper. It was when people really got involved that screwed it up.

[SsM]

Yeah, communism worked great on paper. It was when people really got involved that screwed it up.


Many things work great on paper... It's always when people get involved things go wrong.

[Kelly]

Many things work great on paper... It's always when people get involved things go wrong.


I know.....those damn humans.:o

[Matt]

opps. Wrong thread.

[Ugfugly]

THIS IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO! WE ARE GOING to GET OUT OF THIS CRISIS!

Say CRISIS again mutha****a

[Kelly]

Lol.....


Meghan McCain was on The View today.....and apparently had some choice words for someone....I'm watching Greta right now and it went to commercial, but apparently its something to the tune of "Kiss my fat ass"....lol, I'll see if I can find it on you tube...



found it....

This was against Laura Igram (Conservative radio talk show host)
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This was against Ann Coulter (All around conservative *****)
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[CaptainClown]

Yeah, communism worked great on paper. It was when people really got involved that screwed it up.
Course, cause it works on the principle that people are going to be happy with just a small slice of the pie. The human factor ruins a lot of things, just like Capitalism. People who are naturally greedy get greedier and take advantage of a system where the goal is to make money.

I still believe a dictatorship with me as the leader would bring the rest of the world together to band against me. They will unite with one language to take down my tyrannical rule!

[mclay18]

Lol.....

This was against Ann Coulter (All around conservative *****)
JV_36122-B0

Finally, another Republican who actually wants to work together with the opposite party and not score political points by sticking to their conservative roots. We need more cooperation between these two parties in a climate like this, and not have radicals like Coulter, Limbaugh and Pelosi forcing people to choose a side.

[The Senator]

Coulter will probably call Meghan McCain a "dyke," then claim that "dyke" is just a slur used by school children to make fun of their wussy peers.

[mclay18]

Coulter will probably call Meghan McCain a "dyke," then claim that "dyke" is just a slur used by school children to make fun of their wussy peers.

If Coulter does that, I'm gonna need popcorn for the resulting catfight. Although I think Coulter's barb would be more along the lines of "Meghan McCain is a liberal wolf in Republican sheep's clothing."

I wouldn't put it past Coulter to aim a nasty barb at someone who's a hotter blond Republican than herself.

[The Senator]

I know this comes off as a fat joke, unintentionally, but Meghan McCain is one of the few people I think who could feed Ann Coulter the humble pie she desperately needs.

[Ugfugly]

Finally, another Republican who actually wants to work together with the opposite party and not score political points by sticking to their conservative roots. We need more cooperation between these two parties in a climate like this, and not have radicals like Coulter, Limbaugh and Pelosi forcing people to choose a side.

What's the point of having political parties if you don't have differing views? And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it Nancy Pelosi the one that made House rules changes that excludes the minority party from putting forward alternative bills as an alternative suggestion?

[Matt]

I know this comes off as a fat joke, unintentionally, but Meghan McCain is one of the few people I think who could feed Ann Coulter the humble pie she desperately needs.

It really wouldn't have been a fat joke until you pointed out that it was though. It would've just been you using a common expression. Thus I must question how unintentional it really could be?

[mclay18]

What's the point of having political parties if you don't have differing views? And correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it Nancy Pelosi the one that made House rules changes that excludes the minority party from putting forward alternative bills as an alternative suggestion?

It's fine to have opposing viewpoints. What the GOP and Democrats need to do is try and find some middle ground on some issues, and both need to allow room for compromise to keep each other in check. Pointing fingers and blaming each other isn't going to get things done... the circus show led by Limbaugh isn't helping the GOP's image right now.

That's one thing Pelosi isn't doing -- she's too set in her ways, among other things. (Note that I rank Pelosi alongside Coulter, Limbaugh, and Michael Moore as people I really, really despise.)

And if Meghan is going to show Coulter some humbie pie, I think she needs to step up her game to show the b**ch her place. Not by insulting her, that's as low as Coulter herself.

[The Senator]

It really wouldn't have been a fat joke until you pointed out that it was though. It would've just been you using a common expression. Thus I must question how unintentional it really could be?

Please. When I read the post before I posted it, I figured someone would come along and make a fat joke out of it. Therefore, by putting the warning in there, I assumed it would eliminate the need to steer the conversation in an unnecessary direction.

[hippie_hunter]

I know this comes off as a fat joke, unintentionally, but Meghan McCain is one of the few people I think who could feed Ann Coulter the humble pie she desperately needs.

Meghan McCain doesn't look fat at all IMO, she looks to be a very healthy weight, unlike Ann Coulter who looks like Skeletor.

[Kelly]

Meghan McCain doesn't look fat at all IMO, she looks to be a very healthy weight, unlike Ann Coulter who looks like Skeletor.

LOL,

Well, there may be some truth to those that think Meghan McCain is looking for the limelight alittle longer, and promoting her blog etc.....but she is getting an important discussion happening in the Republican Party and I think thats important.

I'm disappointed in Laura Ingram, she's alot smarter than the fat/valley girl she was doing making fun of Meghan. That just wasn't cool. I would have liked to have seen Meghan simply ignore it, as it seems Ann Coulter is doing. Ann Coulter has yet to say anything about what Meghan McCain said. We will see how long that lasts...lol

[Kelly]

It's fine to have opposing viewpoints. What the GOP and Democrats need to do is try and find some middle ground on some issues, and both need to allow room for compromise to keep each other in check. Pointing fingers and blaming each other isn't going to get things done... the circus show led by Limbaugh isn't helping the GOP's image right now.

That's one thing Pelosi isn't doing -- she's too set in her ways, among other things. (Note that I rank Pelosi alongside Coulter, Limbaugh, and Michael Moore as people I really, really despise.)

And if Meghan is going to show Coulter some humbie pie, I think she needs to step up her game to show the b**ch her place. Not by insulting her, that's as low as Coulter herself.

Until both parties move on from the motive of "keeping power" and "getting re-elected" and actually work together to pass legislation that is FOR THE PEOPLE....nothing is going to change. This whole thing of crying because you are being left out, (which is exactly what the Republicans did to Democrats when they were in power), and then the whole "we won, so we do it our way" from Democrats now is just childish ********.....

I'm sick of the whole thing....

[Matt]

Please. When I read the post before I posted it, I figured someone would come along and make a fat joke out of it. Therefore, by putting the warning in there, I assumed it would eliminate the need to steer the conversation in an unnecessary direction.

Lucielle Bluth: Kids, Dinner's ready. We're having Lindsay chops.

*Lindsey runs out of the room crying while Michael gives Lucielle a stern look.*

Lucielle: What? I just wanted her to be ready in case some bully at school was as clever as I am.

Narrator: No bully ever would be.

[ShadowBoxing]

I met Ann Coulter once in person. She's actually delightful to be around, and quite funny, but she doesn't believe a word she says :down

*Also, several of her boyfriend have been Liberals. Her and Bill Maher used to bone.

[The Senator]

Lucielle Bluth: Kids, Dinner's ready. We're having Lindsay chops.

*Lindsey runs out of the room crying while Michael gives Lucielle a stern look.*

Lucielle: What? I just wanted her to be ready in case some bully at school was as clever as I am.

Narrator: No bully ever would be.

Except posters on high-profile political websites such as Politico have taken great strides to make fat jokes about Meghan McCain, so your AD comparison is sort of flawed.

[Matt]

I met Ann Coulter once in person. She's actually delightful to be around, and quite funny, but she doesn't believe a word she says :down

It really wouldn't suprise me if folks like Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter did not believe the trash they spew. They are pandering to an audience.

[Kelly]

I met Ann Coulter once in person. She's actually delightful to be around, and quite funny, but she doesn't believe a word she says :down

*Also, several of her boyfriend have been Liberals. Her and Bill Maher used to bone.


She has a sense of humor that is very dry, which I like.....but yes, she is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY, and that is why she comes across so harsh, it makes her money.

[Matt]

Except posters on high-profile political websites such as Politico have taken great strides to make fat jokes about Meghan McCain, so your AD comparison is sort of flawed.

That's great...but I don't think I've ever seen anyone here make a Meaghan McCain fat joke...so...your comparison to the Hype and Politico is sort of flawed. All I'm saying is, in your attempt to noblely protect Ms. Mcain (as I'm sure you were doing), you simply drew attention to the insult which practically everyone here would've wrote off simply as you using a figure of speech.

[ShadowBoxing]

It really wouldn't suprise me if folks like Rush Limbaugh or Ann Coulter did not believe the trash they spew. They are pandering to an audience.
I have no idea about Rush, but Ann Coulter is a complete fake. She dates liberal guys, hangs out with a yuppie crowd, and even has some very nice things to say about liberal politicians in private. When she came to our school, for example, she talked privately about how much she liked Hilary Clinton. She stuck to her schitk a tad but you could tell it was like playing a character to her and when she wasn't on the clock, she completely half assed it.

Another FOX News female firebrand came to our school, her name escapes me though, and I OWNED her when she spoke to the class. At the end she pulled me and my friends aside and we chatted and she almost seemed ashamed by the things that she said. Very meek in person, very shy and insecure, then very extremist and rabble rousing when she was playing her FOX News character. It's weird like that.

[hippie_hunter]

I met Ann Coulter once in person. She's actually delightful to be around, and quite funny, but she doesn't believe a word she says :down

*Also, several of her boyfriend have been Liberals. Her and Bill Maher used to bone.

So apparently the real Ann Coulter is pretty much the Boondocks Ann Coulter :huh:

If that's true, she has got to be the most ingenious person to have EVER lived.

[Kelly]

I think the comments from a poster yesterday, I believe 3 of the to be exact....IMO were much more ridiculous than any fat jokes, on other websites. Ms. Ingram's valley girl slam was just as ignorant as the posts yesterday. Someone making a comment about my weight (which is fine IMO) really wouldn't make that much of a difference to me, I'd just laugh it off....but if you make comments that simply dismiss my opinion because of my hair color, call me a skank, etc.....well THEN, the slams have gone too far. But, that's just my opinion. BTW, I have highlights, so I guess I have some integriy left.....*smiles*

[Matt]

So apparently the real Ann Coulter is pretty much the Boondocks Ann Coulter :huh:

If that's true, she has got to be the most ingenious person to have EVER lived.

Without a doubt.

[The Senator]

That's great...but I don't think I've ever seen anyone here make a Meaghan McCain fat joke...so...your comparison to the Hype and Politico is sort of flawed. All I'm saying is, in your attempt to nobley protect Ms. Mcain (as I'm sure you were doing), you simply drew attention to the insult which practically everyone here would've wrote off simply as you using a figure of speech.

You seem to forget that sinewave, Excel and a few others still frequent this board...

[ShadowBoxing]

So apparently the real Ann Coulter is pretty much the Boondocks Ann Coulter :huh:

If that's true, she has got to be the most ingenious person to have EVER lived.
It's not quite like that show played it. She reminds me more of a comedian. She says outlandish things because she enjoys the attention, and she knows it gets her attention, so she does it. There is definitely some deep seated personal reason for her character but it is a character.

[hippie_hunter]

Without a doubt.

Seriously, I should be pretending to be a hateful ignorant bastard.

[Matt]

You seem to forget that sinewave, Excel and a few others still frequent this board...

Ah, I see...well, its like you said the other day, you're smarter than most people here so you would be best to predict what the ignoramuses will say and in turn protect us from it :oldrazz: :cwink:

[ShadowBoxing]

Seriously, I should be pretending to be a hateful ignorant bastard.
Do you have tits? Because having tits helps you make that character popular.

[hippie_hunter]

Do you have tits? Because having tits helps you make that character popular.

Damn :csad:

[The Senator]

Ah, I see...well, its like you said the other day, you're smarter than most people here so you would be best to predict what the ignoramuses will say and in turn protect us from it :oldrazz: :cwink:

I don't think I said I'm smarter than most people here. I'm smarter than most Americans, but there are a lot of people here who know more than I may ever know. But yes... the comment was made with certain posters in mind...

[Matt]

Do you have tits? Because having tits helps you make that character popular.

Oh please, that has nothing to do with why Ann Coulter gets attention. That is so sexist!

She gets attention because she is a beloved 80s icon

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a170/j_kuza/ReindeerF_skeletor.jpg

:oldrazz:

[Kelly]

Do you have tits? Because having tits helps you make that character popular.

Damn :csad:


I'm pretty sure Rush has man-boobs....

[Matt]

I don't think I said I'm smarter than most people here. I'm smarter than most Americans, but there are a lot of people here who know more than I may ever know. But yes... the comment was made with certain posters in mind...

I'm sorry for questioning you. You must be smarter than some dumb hick like me and most of us common folk. :cwink:

[The Senator]

I'm pretty sure Rush has man-boobs....

That's a common side effect of narcotics (or any drug) usage...

[Kelly]

I'm sorry for questioning you. You must be smarter than some dumb hick like me and most of us common folk. :cwink:

I'm smarter than you......

[The Senator]

I'm sorry for questioning you. You must be smarter than some dumb hick like me and most of us common folk. :cwink:

Whoa-- you are not a dumb hick. Irrational? Yes. Bitter? Yes. Dumb? Not at all... :cwink:

[ShadowBoxing]

Damn :csad:
Now if Bella became a perky pompous prejudiced promoter for the neo-conservative wing of the Republican party she's have it made in the shade.

[Kelly]

That's a common side effect of narcotics (or any drug) usage...

He's doing steroids too?

[The Senator]

He's doing steroids too?

I don't know exactly what he was on, but a lot of drugs-- especially painkillers-- can cause significant weight gain.

[Matt]

I'm smarter than you......

But compared to Jman we are both but ants and there is little point in two ants comparing their intelligence, no?

Whoa-- you are not a dumb hick. Irrational? Yes. Bitter? Yes. Dumb? Not at all... :cwink:

Better to be irrational and bitter than irrational and partisan, helps you look at the whole picture :cwink:

[Kelly]

I don't know exactly what he was on, but a lot of drugs-- especially painkillers-- can cause significant weight gain.


Yeah, that's true, he had lost alot of weight and then did a major weight gain back......

[SuBe]

I'm pretty sure Rush has man-boobs....
The Manliest of boobs.

[The Senator]

But compared to Jman we are both but ants and there is little point in two ants comparing their intelligence, no?

Kel is smarter than I am. :o


Better to be irrational and bitter than irrational and partisan, helps you look at the whole picture :cwink:

I think it is better to have a vision and side with those who will ensure that vision is realized. When those I trust to uphold that vision screw up royally, you will hear about it loud and clear from me, as has been the case in the past.

[Kelly]

Kel is smarter than I am. :o



I think it is better to have a vision and side with those who will ensure that vision is realized. When those I trust to uphold that vision screw up royally, you will hear about it loud and clear from me, as has been the case in the past.

Man you are dumber than I thought......:oldrazz:

[The Senator]

Man you are dumber than I thought......:oldrazz:

I thought we discussed that the :o emoticon denoted sarcasm/ witty banter.... :p

[Kelly]

I thought we discussed that the :o emoticon denoted sarcasm/ witty banter.... :p


*gasps* then I'm outraged......:o

[The Senator]

*gasps* then I'm outraged......:o

I'll tell you what: The next time I'm in Houston, you can challenge me to a duel...

[Kelly]

I'll tell you what: The next time I'm in Houston, you can challenge me to a duel...


Only if theres alot of beer involved.....because if I'm going to get pnwed, then I want to at least enjoy it.......:o

[The Senator]

Only if theres alot of beer involved.....because if I'm going to get pnwed, then I want to at least enjoy it.......:o

Roll out the hard liquor and it's a deal.

[hippie_hunter]

I'm smarter than you......

To be fair most of us are :o

[Kelly]

To be fair most of us are :o


LMAO.....that is so wrong....:hehe:

[hippie_hunter]

LMAO.....that is so wrong....:hehe:

I'm just saying...claiming to be smarter than the bitter, angry, ignorant, hillbilly yokel that is Matt really isn't that much of a boastful accomplishment.

[Kelly]

I'm just saying...claiming to be smarter than the bitter, angry, ignorant, hillbilly yokel that is Matt really isn't that much of a boastful accomplishment.


Truth...:csad:

[Matt]

I'm just saying...claiming to be smarter than the bitter, angry, ignorant, hillbilly yokel that is Matt really isn't that much of a boastful accomplishment.

For the first time ever on the Hype...my picture!

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z190/eliselzer/cletus-simpsons.jpg

[CaptainClown]

Matt I just picture you as the guy in your avvy

[SuBe]

I heard his name isn't even Matthew.

[Kelly]

It's Sanjowa....

[Marx]

It's Sanjowa....

Is that Sanjaya's evil twin? :oldrazz:

[hippie_hunter]

It's Sanjowa....

No it's Cletus

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[Kelly]

Is that Sanjaya's evil twin? :oldrazz:



Uh, yeah....yeah.......that's it.....that's what I meant....lol

[Matt]

Is that a shot at the song that I sang that Bella posted!? :csad:

[Marx]

Is that a shot at the song that I sang that Bella posted!? :csad:

I never heard your infamous rendition. I was no longer a part of the game, by that point. :csad:

[Matt]

Its posted in the first post of the thread, I believe. You don't need a competition PM to hear it.

[Matt]

Though I'm not responsible for any deafness as a result.

[Marx]

Though I'm not responsible for any deafness as a result.

:funny:

Thanks for the disclaimer!

[hippie_hunter]

Is that a shot at the song that I sang that Bella posted!? :csad:

What song?

And if it makes you feel better, at least it isn't as bad as that song that the World Warriors made in Survivor that made me gouge out my eardrums :cmad:

[Marx]

What song?

And if it makes you feel better, at least it isn't as bad as that song that the World Warriors made in Survivor that made me gouge out my eardrums :cmad:

That was pretty horrendous.

[SuBe]

The Republican Civil War
by Thomas Sowell

As if it is not enough that they have been decimated by the Democrats in the past couple of elections, the Republican survivors are now turning their guns on each other.

At the heart of these internal battles have been attacks on Rush Limbaugh by Republicans who imagine themselves to be so much more sophisticated because they are so much more in step with the political fashions of the time.

New Republican National Committee chairman Michael Steele's cheap shot at Rush's program as "ugly" set off the latest round of in-fighting. That is the kind of thing that is usually said by liberals who have never listened to the program.

Regular listeners to the Rush Limbaugh program or subscribers to the Limbaugh newsletter know that both contain far more factual information and in-depth analysis than in the programs or writings of pundits with more of a ponderous tone or intellectual airs.

Why Michael Steele found it necessary to say such a thing-- except as a sop to the liberal intelligentsia-- is one of the many mysteries of the Republican Party. Steele has since apologized to Rush but you cannot unring the bell.

More important, the mindset it betrays is at the heart of many of the problems of the Republican Party, going back for years, long before Michael Steele appeared on the scene.

There has long been an element of the Republican Party that has felt a need to distance themselves from people who stand up for conservative principles, whether those with principles have been Ronald Reagan, Rush Limbaugh or whomever.

The latest example is John McCain's daughter, who has said how embarrassed she is by having to explain Ann Coulter to her friends. If it wasn't for articulate conservatives like Ann Coulter, both the Republican Party and the country would be in even worse shape than they are now, for there are extremely few articulate Republican politicians who can make the case for any principle. Certainly Ms. McCain's father is not one of them.

The only time John McCain led Barack Obama in the polls last year was after Governor Sarah Palin joined the ticket. The economic collapse doomed their candidacies but McCain would have had no chance at all with another inconsistent and inarticulate Republican like himself on the ticket.

Yet many in the Republican Party seem to have felt as embarrassed by Governor Palin as they have been by others who articulated principles, instead of trying to be in step with the fashions of the time-- fashions set by liberals.

Maybe those Republicans who put a high value on being accepted in elite circles should be embarrassed by the narrowness of their elite friends, who disdain or demonize people whose principles they disagree with, instead of answering their arguments.

There has even been an undercurrent among some Republicans of a sense that it is time to move away from the image of Ronald Reagan, to update the party and court newer and less embarrassing segments of the voters than their current base.

There is certainly a lot to be said for inviting wider segments of the population to join you, by explaining how your principles benefit the country in general, and those segments in particular. But that is fundamentally different from abandoning your principles in hopes of attracting new votes with opportunism.

No segment of the population has lost more by the agendas of the liberal constituencies of the Democratic Party than the black population.

The teachers' unions, environmental fanatics and the ACLU are just some of the groups to whose interests blacks have been sacrificed wholesale. Lousy education and high crime rates in the ghettos, and unaffordable housing elsewhere with building restrictions, are devastating prices to pay for liberalism.

Yet the Republicans have never articulated that argument, and their opportunism in trying to get black votes by becoming imitation Democrats has failed miserably for decades on end.

There seemed, for an all too brief moment, that Michael Steele might have been the one to provide such much overdue articulation-- and possibly he still might, but only if he stays out of the Republican trap of trying to appease opponents by throwing supporters to the wolves.

[Marx]

OBAMA WOULD CRUSH PALIN
http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/03/18/obama_would_crush_palin.html

A new Public Policy Polling survey (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_318.pdf) shows President Obama would crush Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin in a hypothetical 2012 presidential contest, 55% to 35%.

Yes, it's probably way too early to run these types of polls, but insofar as Palin is concerned, there are some interesting findings. "The key reason Palin would lose to Obama by so much is that even though she might be the top choice for a certain segment of voters within her party, there's also a number of Republicans who say they would vote for Obama if their party nominated Palin."

More: "Palin is viewed negatively by 50% of voters in the country with just 39% holding a positive opinion of her. 69% of Republicans have a favorable view of her, while only 11% of Democrats do."

[SsM]

I would vote neither if it was Palin V. Obama

[CaptainClown]

I like some of the social changes that are being made by Obama, however I HATE, HATE this insane amount of spending. I HATE his seemingly nonchalant attitude about AIG. It is just like acting, you can't tell us how you are feeling you actually have to emote. However we still have 4 years more or less to quite understand.

So this leads me to the predicament of Palin v. Obama and I would have to pick Obama...because I am not a real American and want da terrurists teh weeiin..

[hippie_hunter]

If Palin wants a political future she should run for the Senate in 2014 against Beigich. She'll be guaranteed victory, get national prominence, but most importantly stick to Alaska where she belongs.

[CaptainClown]

She needs to rework her image. First thing is fire her publicist, then do a lot of homework so that should come off as being very smart. Glasses aren't going to cut... Also I believe she has to change her tone from cheery all the time, and then be able to get serious..

[The Senator]

If Palin wants a political future she should run for the Senate in 2014 against Beigich. She'll be guaranteed victory, get national prominence, but most importantly stick to Alaska where she belongs.

Begich is starting off fairly popular though, so that victory is anything but guaranteed at this point...

[Marx]

She needs to rework her image. First thing is fire her publicist, then do a lot of homework so that should come off as being very smart. Glasses aren't going to cut... Also I believe she has to change her tone from cheery all the time, and then be able to get serious..


Another big problem that Sarah Palin has is when she's cheery and happy, she sounds incredibly insulting. When she's serious, she sounds incredibly insulting.

[SsM]

When she talks I get reminded of the mom from Bobby's World.

[hippie_hunter]

Begich is starting off fairly popular though, so that victory is anything but guaranteed at this point...

This is Alaska though we're talking about. A place where Begich almost lost to a guy who was found downright guilty of corruption.

The intelligence of voters there really isn't that high if you ask me :o

[CaptainClown]

Another big problem that Sarah Palin has is when she's cheery and happy, she sounds incredibly insulting. When she's serious, she sounds incredibly insulting.
Ya, she gives off this vibe that she is just strictly condescending...however she is an idiot so it is amusing to watch it. I will say I hate that she thought that this happy winking crap would work on me. Then again she wasn't going for my vote.

[Marx]

Ya, she gives off this vibe that she is just strictly condescending...however she is an idiot so it is amusing to watch it. I will say I hate that she thought that this happy winking crap would work on me. Then again she wasn't going for my vote.

I honestly think I'd vote for George W. Bush before I would ever vote for Sarah Palin.

[CaptainClown]

I honestly think I'd vote for George W. Bush before I would ever vote for Sarah Palin.
Hmm I really do wonder what I would do in those circumstances...Well Bush is a tool and Palin is an air head...At least with Cheney in control I will be "safe" from all the darkies.

[SsM]

I honestly think I'd vote for George W. Bush before I would ever vote for Sarah Palin.


I agree!

Well... I don't know.... That's tough...

[hippie_hunter]

Bush just sounded like an idiot. Palin actually is an idiot.

[Marx]

Bush just sounded like an idiot. Palin actually is an idiot.

:lmao:

[CaptainClown]

Bush I still feel is just someone who is manipulated by evil people, Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and Red Skull.

[SsM]

Bush just sounded like an idiot. Palin actually is an idiot.


Yeah, I saw an interview with Bush after his presidency was over and he didn't sound stupid at all like he did in all of his press conferences..

It was very strange.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but...I honestly think Palin's time has come and gone now. She is destined for footnotedness. :dry:

[hippie_hunter]

:lmao:

I'm serious. The problems with his Presidency didn't come from his supposed lack of intelligence. It came from his stubbornness and extreme loyalty to people like Donald Rumsfeld, Condeelezza Rice, Dick Cheney, and Brownie.

The problems with Sarah Palin are plain and simple. She's an idiot. And from what has been said, she seems to be quite a ***** as well behind the camera.

[SsM]

Bush is a very intelligent man. It's kind of sad what happened to him :(

[Marx]

Maybe I'm in the minority here but...I honestly think Palin's time has come and gone now. She is destined for footnotedness. :dry:

Everyone knows that. (Everyone but Palin and a few delusional supporters.)

I'm serious. The problems with his Presidency didn't come from his supposed lack of intelligence. It came from his stubbornness and extreme loyalty to people like Donald Rumsfeld, Condeelezza Rice, Dick Cheney, and Brownie.

The problems with Sarah Palin are plain and simple. She's an idiot. And from what has been said, she seems to be quite a ***** as well behind the camera.

I know. Your comment just made me laugh though. :cwink:

[Excel]

David Petreaus is a Republican, right?

As for Bush...he seems like a good guy who just listened to the wrong people. I dont see him as the dumb, incomptetant person many seem to think he was, as much as just horribly ill advised.

[hippie_hunter]

David Petreaus is a Republican, right?

As for Bush...he seems like a good guy who just listened to the wrong people. I dont see him as the dumb, incomptetant person many seem to think he was, as much as just horribly ill advised.

If he had Robert Gates from the beginning and listened more to Colin Powell, I doubt he would have been in the mess he put himself in.

He probably would have been a decent President.

[Kelly]

I agree, because he was a good governor. The reason I didn't vote for him in 2000 is
#1. I wanted McCain as the Republican Candidate and I was pissed at how he was treated....

and well...

I guess I only had 1 reason....

[Marx]

If he had Robert Gates from the beginning and listened more to Colin Powell, I doubt he would have been in the mess he put himself in.

He probably would have been a decent President.

That's a very good point hippie.

[The Senator]

I agree, because he was a good governor. The reason I didn't vote for him in 2000 is
#1. I wanted McCain as the Republican Candidate and I was pissed at how he was treated....

and well...

I guess I only had 1 reason....

Was Bush responsible for the massive influx in death row inmates, including the mentally handicapped?

[Kelly]

Was Bush responsible for the massive influx in death row inmates, including the mentally handicapped?


I don't know....he did a hell of alot for teachers. Including starting the push for better health insurance for us, etc. He took up on dead beat dad's paying child support that was started by Bullock. He downed an attempt to push a state income tax....

Those are things that were important to me, and my friends.

[Mister Sinister]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/20/joe-the-plumber-tells-conservatives-hes-horny/

[MaskedManJRK]

That...can't be real. It sounds like something Thompson would write.

[hippie_hunter]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/20/joe-the-plumber-tells-conservatives-hes-horny/

:facepalm:

[Marx]

GOP BEGS CHENEY: GO BACK INTO HIDING
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/go-back-into-hiding-gop-begs-dick-cheney--please-2009-03-23.html

Congressional Republicans are telling Dick Cheney to go back to his undisclosed location and leave them alone to rebuild the Republican Party without his input.

Displeased with the former vice-president's recent media appearances, Republican lawmakers say he's hurting GOP efforts to reinvent itself after back-to-back electoral drubbings.

The veep, who showed a penchant for secrecy during eight years in the White House,has popped up in media interviews to defend the Bush-Cheney record while suggesting that the country is not as safe under President Obama.


Rep. John Duncan Jr. (R-Tenn.) said, “He became so unpopular while he was in the White House that it would probably be better for us politically if he wouldn’t be so public...But he has the right to speak out since he’s a private citizen.”


Another House Republican lawmaker who requested anonymity said he wasn’t surprised that Cheney has strongly criticized Obama early in his term, but argued that it’s not helping the GOP cause.

The legislator said Cheney, whose approval ratings were lower than President Bush’s during the last Congress, didn’t think through the political implications of going after Obama.


Cheney did “House Republicans no favors,” the lawmaker said, adding, “I could never understand him anyway.”

Cheney’s office declined to comment for this article.

It seems to me that the GOP is having enough problems without Cheney's added help.

[Kelly]

Cheney needs to go back to Wyoming and shut his mouth.

[redfirebird2008]

Cheney needs to go back to Wyoming and shut his mouth.

Nail, meet head. :cwink:

[Marx]

JINDAL URGES GOP TO PUT '08 IN REAR VIEW MIRROR
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/24/jindal-urges-gop-to-put-08-in-rear-view-mirror/

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal called on Republicans Tuesday to put the 2008 election behind them and embrace its role as the loyal opposition to President Obama and the Democratic Party.

"Let’s agree on this tonight, the time for talking about the past is now over," Jindal told 1,200 people attending a House GOP fundraiser here in Washington. "It has been healthy for Republicans to look in the mirror. It has been healthy for us to realize and admit the mistakes of the past. We have done that quite a bit. I personally have done that quite a bit since the election last fall. It’s now been close to five months since the last election.

He added, "It’s time to declare our time of introspection and navel gazing officially over. It’s time to get on with the business of charting America’s future. So as of now, be it hereby resolved, that we will focus on America’s future, and on standing up for fiscal sanity… before it is too late.

Jindal, a former House member and potential presidential candidate in 2012, credited his former colleagues for standing united in opposing Obama's policies.

"Thanks primarily to the Republicans in the House of Representatives, the Republican Party has once again decided to be the conservative party in this country," Jindal said.

Yes! That's the spirit! Keep the same mentality that caused your party so much damage to begin with!

Jindal just doesn't get it. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[StorminNorman]

If Obama continues with his inane policies I hope the Republican Party does remain his opposition. If Obama becomes more moderate, I hope the Republican Party would follow his suit and work together.

[Lightning Strykez!]

If Obama continues with his inane policies I hope the Republican Party does remain his opposition. If Obama becomes more moderate, I hope the Republican Party would follow his suit and work together.

He's not going to please everyone. It really doesn't matter how moderate Obama becomes; this party is not going to support him. Period. They are stuck on stupid at this point.

[Kelly]

Well, if he will just put Pelosi in a closet somewhere......I'll be happy with him.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Well, if he will just put Pelosi in a closet somewhere......I'll be happy with him.

That's impossible. She is all about the pelosification of the planet. she's not going anywhere.

[StorminNorman]

He's not going to please everyone. It really doesn't matter how moderate Obama becomes; this party is not going to support him. Period. They are stuck on stupid at this point.

You can't please everyone, but going far to the left is the surest way to isolate not only Republican's in Washington, but independent voters in Kansas and moderate Republican voters in Virginia.

Both Obama and the GOP are stuck on stupid - unfortunately Obama has far more power, so his stupidity is more harmful to this country.

[Kelly]

That's impossible. She is all about the pelosification of the planet. she's not going anywhere.


Do you people live to burst my bubbles? :o

[StorminNorman]

That's impossible. She is all about the pelosification of the planet. she's not going anywhere.

If Obama wanted to stand up to her, he could of easily rallied enough support to remove her. Obama controlled the party at the end of the election, not Pelosi.

[Kelly]

You can't please everyone, but going far to the left is the surest way to isolate not only Republican's in Washington, but independent voters in Kansas and moderate Republican voters in Virginia.

Both Obama and the GOP are stuck on stupid - unfortunately Obama has far more power, so his stupidity is more harmful to this country.

The latest polls have shown a pretty solid drop in his positives from independent voters.....

I'll do some research tomorrow to get some specifics.

[Lightning Strykez!]

You can't please everyone, but going far to the left is the surest way to isolate not only Republican's in Washington, but independent voters in Kansas and moderate Republican voters in Virginia.

Both Obama and the GOP are stuck on stupid - unfortunately Obama has far more power, so his stupidity is more harmful to this country.

Did you...expect him to do anything less once he came into power? He's a DEMOCRAT. He's not doing anything that his predecessors have not done. He's a party liner and he's doing the will of his party. I'm not sure why you're dissapointed here.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Do you people live to burst my bubbles? :o

No, but Pelosi does. :cool:

[Marx]

Do you people live to burst my bubbles? :o

*pulls out pin*

POP!

:cwink:

[StorminNorman]

Did you...expect him to do anything less once he came into power? He's a DEMOCRAT.

Expect? I don't know. Hope? Yes, I did hope he would honor his election platform. I hoped that his theme of "change" and "hope" and "bringing America together" represented things he ACTUALLY cared about and not meaningless words he used to simply gain power.

He's not doing anything that his predecessors have not done. He's a party liner and he's doing the will of his party. I'm not sure why you're dissapointed here.

Because he was elected under the banner of being more than simply toeing the party line.

[Kelly]

*pulls out pin*

POP!

:cwink:


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[StorminNorman]

The latest polls have shown a pretty solid drop in his positives from independent voters.....

I'll do some research tomorrow to get some specifics.

Of course. Obama's first 60 days have been a failure riddled by comedic failings in the business of Presidential Appointees, a Secretary of Treasury who has proven to be incompetent, spending bills riddled with pork.

[chaseter]

I want Jindal at the forefront of the Republican party so that Kenneth the Page can get a side job on SNL.

[Superman]

JINDAL URGES GOP TO PUT '08 IN REAR VIEW MIRROR
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/24/jindal-urges-gop-to-put-08-in-rear-view-mirror/



Yes! That's the spirit! Keep the same mentality that caused your party so much damage to begin with!

Jindal just doesn't get it. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gifIsn't this the same guy that put down and made fun of the fact that there was money in the stimulus package for volcano monitors in his republican rebuttal speech to Obama's "State of the Union" speech? The same volcano monitors that might be some help right now in Alaska where a volcano went off this weekend?

You're right, He doesn't get it and I doubt he ever will.

[StorminNorman]

Isn't this the same guy that put down and made fun of the fact that there was money in the stimulus package for volcano monitors in his republican rebuttal speech to Obama's "State of the Union" speech? The same volcano monitors that might be some help right now in Alaska where a volcano went off this weekend?

You're right, He doesn't get it and I doubt he ever will.

1. Volcano monitors are hilarious.
2. Capitalizing the H in He mid sentence implies that Bobby Jindal is God. :lmao:

[ShadowBoxing]

Bobby Jindal did hold a girl down and try to exorcise the demons from her...so that at least gets him Saint status.

[StorminNorman]

He didn't try.

He succeeded.

The demon was also communist.

[SuBe]

He didn't try.

He succeeded.

The demon was also communist.
And the Demon smelled of patchouli.

[Bathead]

And the Demon smelled of patchouli.

Pyramid Patchouli ? Was his name Rocky Rococo?

[Bathead]

Edit - double post

[Heretic]

The republicans decided that Jindal was the new face of the party...young...ethnic...from Katrina-land. He was their answer to Obama...til he delivered a horrifying uncharismatic rebuttal to Obamas Non-State Of The Union speech.

Now the republicans are probably looking for someone new...

[Carcharodon]

Isn't this the same guy that put down and made fun of the fact that there was money in the stimulus package for volcano monitors in his republican rebuttal speech to Obama's "State of the Union" speech? The same volcano monitors that might be some help right now in Alaska where a volcano went off this weekend?Isn't short-sightedness with respect to scientific and technological endeavors/progress part of the Republican Party platform? I'm pretty sure it's written down somewhere.

[Marx]

Bobby Jindal did hold a girl down and try to exorcise the demons from her...so that at least gets him Saint status.

I think I prefer another term...

[Marx]

STEELE OPEN TO PRESIDENTIAL RUN 'IF THAT'S WHERE GOD WANTS ME TO BE'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/25/steele-open-to-prez-run-if-thats-where-god-wants-me-to-be/

Embattled Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele told CNN Wednesday he'd consider running for president someday, but stressed he has never given serious thought to a potential White House bid.

Speaking to CNN's Don Lemon, Steele said he may decide to seek the presidency at some point if he determines that's "where God wants me to be."

"God has a way of revealing stuff to you, and making it real for you, through others," Steele said. "And if that's part of the plan, it'll be the plan….[If I run] it'll be because that's where God wants me to be at that time."

Steele also brushed aside charges that his initial weeks as GOP lead have been marked by a series of damaging gaffes, including his initial criticism of Rush Limbaugh and his subsequent apology to the popular talk radio host.


"I am a cause and effect kind of guy," he said. "So if I do something there's is a reason for it. Even if it may look like a mistake, a gaffe, there is a rational, there is a logic behind it."

"It's all strategic," Steele added.

So the embarassment of the Limbaugh situation was all planned...

:lmao:

Yeah...right. Nice try Micheal.

[Superman]

STEELE OPEN TO PRESIDENTIAL RUN 'IF THAT'S WHERE GOD WANTS ME TO BE'
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/25/steele-open-to-prez-run-if-thats-where-god-wants-me-to-be/



So the embarassment of the Limbaugh situation was all planned...

:lmao:

Yeah...right. Nice try Micheal.

"I am a cause and effect kind of guy," he said. "So if I do something there's is a reason for it. Even if it may look like a mistake, a gaffe, there is a rational, there is a logic behind it."

"It's all strategic," Steele added." "You SPIN me right round, Baby right round, Like a record baby right round round round..."

zJv5qLsLYoo
:hehe:

Strategic my butt. He messed up big and he knows it.:whatever:

[Heretic]

personally, i see nothing wrong with two people having a disagreement. Of course, democrats all line up in a row and never say an ill word about each other...but I think its refreshing when two people on the side side of an argument have a disagreement and hammer it out.

Though I dont know the specifics of what they were fighting about...because I dont take Limbaugh seriously

[Kelly]

personally, i see nothing wrong with two people having a disagreement. Of course, democrats all line up in a row and never say an ill word about each other...but I think its refreshing when two people on the side side of an argument have a disagreement and hammer it out.

Though I dont know the specifics of what they were fighting about...because I dont take Limbaugh seriously

And Republicans don't line up like elephants in a Circus parade? please...

[Heretic]

And Republicans don't line up like elephants in a Circus parade? please...

The point we are discussing is the leader of the RNC having an argument with the leading republican voice. Therefore...in the case we are discussing...no, they arent lining up.


I will admit though, that in my OPINION Steele and Limbaugh were both stroking their egos. They both want to be the leaders of the party, and view the other as stealing their shine.

[Bonovox]

personally, i see nothing wrong with two people having a disagreement. Of course, democrats all line up in a row and never say an ill word about each other...but I think its refreshing when two people on the side side of an argument have a disagreement and hammer it out.

Though I dont know the specifics of what they were fighting about...because I dont take Limbaugh seriously

That's wrong. There are several Democratic senators and congressmen who have openly opposed Obama's policies and have criticized some of his appointments. Even before the election, there was a Democratic congressman from the South (either Oklahoma or Texas, I'm not sure which) who refused to endorse Obama because of how liberal he was.

[Bonovox]

The point we are discussing is the leader of the RNC having an argument with the leading republican voice. Therefore...in the case we are discussing...no, they arent lining up.


I will admit though, that in my OPINION Steele and Limbaugh were both stroking their egos. They both want to be the leaders of the party, and view the other as stealing their shine.

Michael Steele did line up with Rush Limbaugh in the end. He renounced his previous negative statements against Limbaugh, and many other Republicans who attacked some of Limbaugh's positions followed his lead.

[Heretic]

Michael Steele did line up with Rush Limbaugh in the end. He renounced his previous negative statements against Limbaugh, and many other Republicans who attacked some of Limbaugh's positions followed his lead.

Im GUESSING here (I like to point out when I dont have facts to back me up) that Steele and the others did that because around that time was when Limbaugh started getting all this "voice of the GOP" hype.

Im not picking a side here...but it seems to me that in this instance, all the Republicans thought "oooh, its my chance to lead" when it was obvious Obama would win the election. they ripped Palin to shreds since it seemed shed be in the lead to be the nominee in 4 years (can you imagine that???) and then for a while they all jockeyed for position. Steele made a big fuss, Jindal briefly stepped up (until he blew the biggest speech of his life), that guy from Virginia gave his big speech at the convention and blew it (I cant believe I forgot his name...I live in VA now!). Newt 4 Pres rumors started up...

In the end, Limbaugh is the true leader of the GOP because he has the biggest audience/voice. they'll suck up to hi for a few years...and then either he'll run for president, or one of the people whove been sucking up to him will run.

[Marx]

TOP REPUBLICANS TURN DOWN WHITE HOUSE INVITE
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/26/top-republicans-turn-down-white-house-invite/

Although the bipartisan congressional leadership was invited to the White House for an Afghanistan briefing today, the Senate's top two Republicans did not attend.

Aides to both Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Senate Republican Whip Jon Kyl said they had scheduling conflicts.

"He had a long schedule meeting with multiple senators here [on Capitol Hill] and we didn't get the invite to the White House until late yesterday afternoon," said McConnell spokesman Don Stewart, who also said the senator attended a separate briefing later in the afternoon at the Capitol.

"Sen. McConnell, in cooperation with Sen. Reid, asked the White House to schedule the meeting next week," said Stewart. "But late yesterday afternoon, we got a call saying it would be this afternoon. Since he was unable to make the time at the White House, he went to the briefing here at the Capitol."


Kyl spokesman Ryan Patrmintra said he too had previous planned meetings with Senators that he could not change to go to the White House, and said there was "no slight intended."

Patrimintra also said Kyl has received personal briefings on the mission, even as recently as yesterday.

[Humphrey Bogart]

If the Republicans had just put their supposed beliefs into action over the past nine years they would still be in control (There was nothing conservative about how Bush and co ran the government). Somewhere along the way they left Buckley and found Limbaugh. Conservatism isn't dead, people just assume that the Republicans are the party carrying the mantle. And that, as they say, is the hell of it.

[SuBe]

If the Republicans had just put their supposed beliefs into action over the past nine years they would still be in control (There was nothing conservative about how Bush and co ran the government). Somewhere along the way they left Buckley and found Limbaugh. Conservatism isn't dead, people just assume that the Republicans are the party carrying the mantle. And that, as they say, is the hell of it.
Wrong, the Party left Buckly AND Limbaugh, and started drinking the Diet Democrat Juice. That is why they are finally listening to Limbaugh now. It's where the Party Base wants them to be.

[Humphrey Bogart]

I remember Buckley saying a few years ago that the party had "descended into sloth" and was in need of "repristination". The party can do just fine without bowing down to Limbaugh (who commands nowhere near the respect Buckley was afforded, nor does he deserve it). Just get back to basics and start actually behaving like conservatives. Fiscally if nothing else. The problem they face is that there is no one in leadership who can talk about conservatism without being laughed by anyone who has been paying attention for the better part of the decade.

[Marx]

NRCC INVOKES BIN LADEN IN NEW YORK CONGRESSIONAL RACE

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Last I checked, voters rejected scare tactics...

[Excel]

How is Arnold Schwarzenegger the only Republican who seems to understand what the public wants?

I give Republicans credit for sticking to their guns, I respect that, but they will just coninue to alienate everybody but the diehard conservatives by doing that. Imo People growing up today make most of the decisions based on social issues, and the Liberals are taking the newbs 10-1.

At what point do they realize that the people (well most of them) who are voting for them support gay marriage, are pro choice, ect?

Bobby Jindals will continue to garner attention, but he wont garner votes unless he changes his views on social issues.

Their being *****es to Obama just for the sake of being *****es and its too obvious to everybody, including a lot of Republicans. Much like the Steele pick, they are just a bunch of phonys right now, trying to stick it to the popular President and denounce his policies that seem to be working because they are bitter.

[souvlaki]

How is Arnold Schwarzenegger the only Republican who seems to understand what the public wants.

He doesn't. Arnie is a horrible Governor.

[Marx]

He doesn't. Arnie is a horrible Governor.

Arnold's problem is the economy...not the government.

[hippie_hunter]

He doesn't. Arnie is a horrible Governor.

Ahnuld's problem lies with the problems within California's government, economy, and culture. Not his governing abilities.

[hippie_hunter]

NRCC INVOKES BIN LADEN IN NEW YORK CONGRESSIONAL RACE

lmwnnNPGVUQ

Last I checked, voters rejected scare tactics...

Voters rejected scare tactics that were completely basis and made very little sense. Obama clearly wasn't a Muslim who worked hand in hand with William Ayers.

This scare tactic on the other hand, seems to have some legitimacy.

[StorminNorman]

That's a brilliant add.

[Marx]

Voters rejected scare tactics that were completely basis and made very little sense. Obama clearly wasn't a Muslim who worked hand in hand with William Ayers.

This scare tactic on the other hand, seems to have some legitimacy.

Seven years later and Republicans are still using 9/11 as a political tool...it's disgusting. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon13.gif

[Kelly]

Well, I certainly don't like it being used as a political tool of any kind......I also don't want us to get to a pre 9/11 mentality.......because that is what groups like Al Quaeda are waiting for....

And I'm not saying that as a fear tactic, IMO that is reality.....

[Marx]

Well, I certainly don't like it being used as a political tool of any kind......I also don't want us to get to a pre 9/11 mentality.......because that is what groups like Al Quaeda are waiting for....

And I'm not saying that as a fear tactic, IMO that is reality.....

This country will never go back to a pre-9/11 mindset. We do not need convenient election time reminders by the GOP to remind us of what happened on that horrible day. 9/11 is burned into ALL of our brains. We will not be forgetting.

[Kelly]

This country will never go back to a pre-9/11 mindset. We do not need convenient election time reminders by the GOP to remind us of what happened on that horrible day. 9/11 is burned into ALL of our brains. We will not be forgetting.

Well, when I say "us" I actually mean the government...."us" as the US people won't, but then again, we don't have alot of say. These days....and the people we have in office, do have a say...but they like guessing what is in the legislation they are voting for, rather than reading it. That doesn't really give me alot of faith in much that the government is doing at the moment.....I'm not exactly feeling much faith in the leadership at the moment either. I will be watching this North Korea thing quite closely. This could help me build that faith in Obama's leadership in a crisis....if one arises. And then again, it could send me into the "shaking my head" mode, which I was in most of the last 6 years....

[Marx]

Well, when I say "us" I actually mean the government...."us" as the US people won't, but then again, we don't have alot of say. These days....and the people we have in office, do have a say...but they like guessing what is in the legislation they are voting for, rather than reading it. That doesn't really give me alot of faith in much that the government is doing at the moment.....I'm not exactly feeling much faith in the leadership at the moment either. I will be watching this North Korea thing quite closely. This could help me build that faith in Obama's leadership in a crisis....if one arises. And then again, it could send me into the "shaking my head" mode, which I was in most of the last 6 years....

You have to give Obama credit for ramping up the attention in Afghanistan and Pakistan though. Bush left the job in that area unfinished in order to finish his father's war...maybe now, we can finish the job in Afghanistan.

At least, I hope so.

[Kelly]

You have to give Obama credit for ramping up the attention in Afghanistan and Pakistan though. Bush left the job in that area unfinished in order to finish his father's war...maybe now, we can finish the job in Afghanistan.

At least, I hope so.


Until I see some changes in Afghanistan, I'm not going to say a whole lot of praise.....mainly because that is exactly what Bush planned to do as well. So its not really anything more than what the military on the ground was already getting ready to move toward....

So we'll see.


I'm also watching our own border with Mexico. That's nuts down there.....and unfortunately, I live very close to "down there". So, his rhetoric certainly is strong, now we'll see if he backs it up with action.

[Marx]

Until I see some changes in Afghanistan, I'm not going to say a whole lot of praise.....mainly because that is exactly what Bush planned to do as well. So its not really anything more than what the military on the ground was already getting ready to move toward....

So we'll see.


I'm also watching our own border with Mexico. That's nuts down there.....and unfortunately, I live very close to "down there". So, his rhetoric certainly is strong, now we'll see if he backs it up with action.

Yeah, that whole situation is very scary.