Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party

[Darthphere]

Thanks for your intelligent contribution to this discussion. :dry: What part of "both are wrong" do you not understand?

What part of "I don't think this kind of thing serves anyone" do you not get?? :dry:

Or do you just want to attack me as usual??

Yeah, you did that only AFTER you posted your dumb little "Maher said something bad too" article.:whatever:

[Red Mask]

Yeah, you did that only AFTER you posted your dumb little "Maher said something bad too" article.:whatever:

Maher can be a jerk in his comments. But he does keep the political issues in the right priority. He shows more common sense. He will say what is just media supported drivel and what deserves real attention. He's also clearly humorous while Ann Coulter acts more like an extremist.

[Memphis Slim]

Maher can be a jerk in his comments. But he does keep the political issues in the right priority. He shows more common sense. He will say what is just media supported drivel and what deserves real attention. He's also clearly humorous while Ann Coulter acts more like an extremist.



That's too subjective....
If you lean left (as most of you do) then Maher makes common sense. He's makes no sense to those that lean right.

[bored]

So do you think Coulter makes sense a lot of the time?

Btw, pointing out how many liberals are posting isn't a point. I know what the context here was, but you do it constantly, and it really doesn't accomplish anything.

[Red Mask]

That's too subjective....
If you lean left (as most of you do) then Maher makes common sense. He's makes no sense to those that lean right.

I've noticed that he doesn't really lean to the left either. Everybody is an open target to him so the Democrats aren't spared.

[Mr Sparkle]

you're just saying that because you're a liberal. :cmad:

[Red Mask]

you're just saying that because you're a liberal. :cmad:

Actually, I'm center because I support executions on special cases and there's no point exercising freedoms which people don't know they even have. People like Ann Coulter, however, make the right look like cold-hearted, self serving bigots.

[Mr Sparkle]

quiet, liberal!!! :cmad:

[Obi-Ron]

there's no point exercising freedoms which people don't know they even have

Um, what?

[Red Mask]

quiet, liberal!!! :cmad:

You've got a cartoon moron, Homer Simpson, for an avatar and you're chastising me?

[Red Mask]

Um, what?

Our freedoms. Well, in addition our rights. There aren't that many freedoms which get to be exercised by all because they can intrude on other people's business. But there are so many other rights Americans have but don't know they can exercise them or afford to exercise them.

[jaguarr]

Um, what?

Yeah, what he said.

jag

[Obi-Ron]

But there are so many other rights Americans have but don't know they can exercise them or afford to exercise them.


Such as...?

[Mr Sparkle]

You've got a cartoon moron, Homer Simpson, for an avatar and you're chastising me?

I pity you for not knowing the difference between Homer Simpson and Mr. Sparkle.:o

[Man-Thing]

You've got a cartoon moron, Homer Simpson, for an avatar and you're chastising me?
and you probably only know about this message board after you found it after looking up stuff about Spiderman...

[Red Mask]

and you probably only know about this message board after you found it after looking up stuff about Spiderman...

Nope. I'm not a Spider-Man fan.

[Red Mask]

I pity you for not knowing the difference between Homer Simpson and Mr. Sparkle.:o

Whatever. :whatever:

[Red Mask]

Such as...?

What? You've never noticed this around you? Freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, right to self-determination, right to vote, modern civil rights, and so on. There's a website that lists some of the most bizarre and stupid laws around the world. The U.S.A is in included.

[bored]

What? You've never noticed this around you? Freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, right to self-determination, right to vote, modern civil rights, and so on. There's a website that lists some of the most bizarre and stupid laws around the world. The U.S.A is in included.

Those are stupid?

[Addendum]

What? You've never noticed this around you? Freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, right to self-determination, right to vote, modern civil rights, and so on. There's a website that lists some of the most bizarre and stupid laws around the world. The U.S.A is in included.

Hmm.

The bill of rights includes such rights as: Freedom of religion, speech, press, and peaceable assembly as well as the right to petition the government; Right to keep and bear arms; Protection from quartering of troops; Protection from unreasonable search and seizure; The right to due process, a protection from double jeopardy, protection from self-incrimination, and a right to private property; Trial by jury and other rights of the accused; Civil trial by jury; Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment; Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights; Powers of states and people.

Bizarre and stupid laws can be found on this site (http://www.dumblaws.com/)

If you browse that website, you'll find that the bill of rights doesn't appear on their list of "bizarre and stupid laws"

[Kritish]

Coulter reminds me of the queen on Aliens.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Anguish.jpg

[bored]

She was the stunt double.

[comicgirl]

Ann Coulter just sold 1,000 more copies of her books because of this. She's not going to change.yeah, I notice a lot of her stuff turns up at remandered book sales....hardbacks marked down
to $4.00......nobody touches 'em:word:

[Kritish]

Elizabeth Edwards: Get away from her you *****!

[comicgirl]

Elizabeth Edwards: Get away from her you *****!http://www.cinemasterpieces.com/aliensrecalled.jpg Yeah!

[WorthyStevens]

Skeletor would be insulted by the comparison. As would Satan.

[Obi-Ron]

What? You've never noticed this around you? Freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, right to self-determination, right to vote, modern civil rights, and so on. There's a website that lists some of the most bizarre and stupid laws around the world. The U.S.A is in included.

Of course I have. What I am questioning is the fact that you call these
freedoms which people don't know they even have when clearly that isn't the case. I'm also not sure why you say freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, right to self-determination, right to vote, modern civil rights, and so on are "bizarre and stupid" and there's no point exercising (these) freedoms

Please clarify your position.

[Abaddon]

Elizabeth Edwards: Get away from her you *****!

hahaha :up:

[CyberFaust]

http://www.gossiportruth.com/wp-content/images/skeletor-club-gwen.jpg

[sinewave]

http://www.gossiportruth.com/wp-content/images/skeletor-club-gwen.jpg

you forgot the adam's apple.

[Red Mask]

Hmm.

The bill of rights includes such rights as: Freedom of religion, speech, press, and peaceable assembly as well as the right to petition the government; Right to keep and bear arms; Protection from quartering of troops; Protection from unreasonable search and seizure; The right to due process, a protection from double jeopardy, protection from self-incrimination, and a right to private property; Trial by jury and other rights of the accused; Civil trial by jury; Prohibition of excessive bail, as well as cruel and unusual punishment; Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights; Powers of states and people.

Bizarre and stupid laws can be found on this site (http://www.dumblaws.com/)

If you browse that website, you'll find that the bill of rights doesn't appear on their list of "bizarre and stupid laws"

I never said the Bill of Rights was stupid. The laws in Dumblaws.com are stupid because they impede on the freedoms and rights. And yet, those dumb laws exist. Even though the Bill of Rights promises those things, I've noticed that some will not respect them towards others, like freedom of relgion. Also in moments of great social and economic pressure many will become afraid to speak out when something is wrong. Thus we have to undergo the entire hardship before the majority agrees. Privacy is no longer guarenteed. Your personal information is registered at some company.

Now some places are making it completely illegal to smoke, even in the comfort of your own home or property. I don't smoke, nor do I support it, but the mere freedom to choose to smoke shouldn't be banned by the law. It also completely stupid how some states make it illegal to commit suicide since it's one's own life he/she is handling. Assisted suicide can be argued under the law because it involves an outside party doing harm.

[Addendum]

Freedom of religion doesn't mean "respect of religion"

[Red Mask]

Of course I have. What I am questioning is the fact that you call these
when clearly that isn't the case. I'm also not sure why you say freedom of choice, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, right to self-determination, right to vote, modern civil rights, and so on are "bizarre and stupid" and

Please clarify your position.

O.K. I should have said that many don't respect others rights and freedoms.

[Red Mask]

Freedom of religion doesn't mean "respect of religion"

Yeah, making it hard for one to feel free to choose a different religion.

[Addendum]

If someone wants to believe in a god-claim, it's no skin off my back. But having me respect their god-claim, no.

[Obi-Ron]

O.K. I should have said that many don't respect others rights and freedoms.

That makes much more sense.

[sinewave]

Gotta love this kind of stuff from the party that presents itself as morally superior to those godless heathen Democrats.



McCain state co-chairman arrested

A Florida state chairman for McCain was arrested Wednesday.

(CNN) - A day after four of Sen. John McCain’s top political strategists stepped down, the Arizona Republican’s presidential campaign was dealt another setback when the co-chairman of his Florida campaign was arrested Wednesday for allegedly offering an undercover police officer money for a sex act, Titusville police said.

Florida State Rep. Bob Allen faces charges of solicitation for prostitution after he was arrested in a Titusville city park that had been under surveillance, police said.

He allegedly offered an undercover police officer $20 for the unspecified act.

Allen told CNN affiliate WFTV the incident was “a very big misunderstanding.”

“This is a very gross mistake, a very big mistake,” he said, adding that this is what the judicial system is for.

Allen said he helped build the park, and was there looking around.

There was no initial comment from the McCain campaign.

In March, the McCain campaign issued a news release on its Florida leadership team, saying, “Allen will serve as a House co-chair for Senator McCain’s campaign.”

Allen was elected to the Florida House in 2000.

His arrest comes a day after McCain’s campaign manager Terry Nelson and chief strategist John Weaver announced their departures in joint statements released by the campaign.

Earlier this week, U.S. Senator David Vitter, the southern regional chairman for Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign, was linked to the so-called DC Madam’s escort service.

Vitter, a Louisiana Republican, said in a statement, “This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible. Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and from my wife in confession and marriage counseling.”

It was the second blow for Giuliani’s campaign. Last month, South Carolina Treasurer Thomas Ravenel, the state chairman for Giuliani’s campaign, was indicted on federal cocaine charges.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/07/12/mccain-state-co-chairman-arrested/



McCain state co-chairman arrested

A Florida state chairman for McCain was arrested Wednesday.

COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) -- South Carolina Treasurer Thomas Ravenel, a former real estate developer who became a rising political star after his election last year, was indicted Tuesday on federal cocaine charges.

Ravenel is also the state chairman for former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign.

Ravenel has stepped down from his volunteer responsibilities with the campaign, according to a statement released by Mark Campbell, Giuliani's political director.

Campbell said the campaign has no information about the accusations pending against Ravenel.

The millionaire is accused of buying less than 500 grams of the drug to share with other people in late 2005, U.S. Attorney Reggie Lloyd said.

Ravenel, 44, is charged with distribution of cocaine, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison.

The investigation into Ravenel arose from a drug case last year in Charleston, Lloyd said.

State Law Enforcement Division Chief Robert Stewart said his agents were aware of the allegations before Ravenel was elected in November, but they didn't have enough information to pursue criminal charges. The case was turned over to the FBI in April.

"The investigation is just beginning," the federal prosecutor said.

The man accused of selling Ravenel the drug, Michael L. Miller, is in custody on the same charge.

Ravenel will be allowed to turn himself in, authorities said. The treasurer's office referred all questions to Ravenel's lawyer Joel Collins, who did not return a message left at his office.

Gov. Mark Sanford suspended Ravenel immediately based on the serious nature of the charge. The governor said he would name an interim treasurer soon.

"These are obviously very serious allegations that we're constitutionally bound to act upon, and they'll ultimately be decided by the courts." Sanford said in a statement.

Ravenel started his political career in 2004, funding his own campaign for a U.S. Senate seat. He finished a close third in the Republican primary.

Ravenel was founder of the Ravenel Development Corp., a commercial real estate development company. His father, Arthur Ravenel Jr., was a powerful politician from Charleston who served eight years in the U.S. House and is a former state representative and state senator.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/19/treasurer.indicted.ap/index.html



Senator sorry after number appears on D.C. Madam's list

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sen. David Vitter, R-Louisiana, apologized Monday night for "a very serious sin in my past" after his telephone number appeared among those associated with an escort service operated by the so-called "D.C. Madam."

Vitter's spokesman, Joel Digrado, confirmed the statement in an e-mail sent to The Associated Press.

"This was a very serious sin in my past for which I am, of course, completely responsible," Vitter said in the statement. "Several years ago, I asked for and received forgiveness from God and my wife in confession and marriage counseling. Out of respect for my family, I will keep my discussion of the matter there -- with God and them. But I certainly offer my deep and sincere apologies to all I have disappointed and let down in any way."

The statement containing Vitter's apology said his telephone number was on old phone records of Pamela Martin and Associates before he ran for the Senate.

Deborah Jeane Palfrey was accused in federal court of racketeering by running a prostitution ring that netted more than $2 million over 13 years, beginning in 1993. She contends, however, that her escort service, Pamela Martin and Associates, was a legitimate business.

Vitter, 46, a Republican in his first Senate term, was elected to the Senate in 2004. He represented Louisiana's 1st Congressional District in the House from 1999 to 2004.

Vitter and his wife, Wendy, live in Metairie, Louisiana, with their four children.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/09/dc.madam.ap/index.html

the ironing is delicious. :heart: :ninja: :hyper:

[Sun_Down]

How long before Slim comes in and posts and irrelevant story about a Democrat? I give it 12 hours.

[Logan's Runt]

How long before Slim comes in and posts and irrelevant story about a Democrat? I give it 12 hours.

Oh my god, your sig. :csad::cmad:

[Kelly]

Meh.....happens on both sides......humans are humans......I'm independent that has voted both ways....depending on the person.......most of the people I know don't give a rat's ass what either party calls itself.....they look at how the person stands on specific issues and goes from there....

[sinewave]

How long before Slim comes in and posts and irrelevant story about a Democrat? I give it 12 hours.

i've already prepared myself for that inevitability. i'll take the under on that bet.

[demento]

http://timesonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/09/giuliani_in_drag.jpg
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[Lightning Strykez!]

Giuliani has one screwed up circle of friends.

He needs to change 'em--stat!

[sinewave]

Meh.....happens on both sides......humans are humans......I'm independent that has voted both ways....depending on the person.......most of the people I know don't give a rat's ass what either party calls itself.....they look at how the person stands on specific issues and goes from there....

there's no argument that both sides have behaved immorally at various points throughout history, but the level of immorality in the republican party lately has far exceeded that of the democrats. besides, my whole point in this thread was to counter the image that the republican party tries to present of them being the party of family and moral values. i know plenty of republicans who voted for bush during the '04 election specifically due to their stance on moral issues. it's hypocrisy at it's finest and i take great joy in pointing that out.

[jaguarr]

Cocaine and hookers! The new Republican platform! Whooooo! :hyper:

jag

[sinewave]

Cocaine and hookers! The new Republican platform! Whooooo! :hyper:

jag

i'd vote for anybody who used a campaign poster showing them snorting coke off a hooker's ass with a rolled up american flag. :up:

[sinewave]

i find it hilarious that when these idiots are caught they either deny it or claim they've seen the error of their ways and repented with god. would they have revealed these immoralities to their spouses and tried to atone for them if they were never discovered? doubtful.

it's worth noting that sen. vitters was one of the cheif sponsors of the amendment to "protect the sanctity of traditional marriages" and that his wife was quoted as saying the following in reference to the clinton-lewinsky affair:

"I'm a lot more like Lorena Bobbitt than Hillary. If he does something like that, I'm walking away with one thing, and it's not alimony, trust me."

ouchie! :(

[jaguarr]

I fully expect Mrs. Vitters to keep her word. :up:

jag

[Halcohol]

He allegedly offered an undercover police officer $20 for the unspecified act.

What exactly was he hoping to get for only $20? :confused:

[Sun_Down]

Oh my god, your sig. :csad::cmad:

Is that an "oh my god, I can't believe you spoke ill of the president"? Or an "oh my god, I can't believe that coked-out douche actually said that?"

[Carcharodon]

Is that an "oh my god, I can't believe you spoke ill of the president"? Or an "oh my god, I can't believe that coked-out douche actually said that?"Knowing LogansRunt, the second one. :csad:

[kane9321]

celldog in 3..2..1

[Spider-Bite]

This is sad. I disagree with McCain on a lot of stuff, but I think he cares about America, and a prostitute? Come on. There are worse things people could be doing. It's not hurting anybody and it's a far cry from taking a bribe to support or oppose a law.

And it wasn't even McCain who did it. If one of his people are doing something corrupt than there is a possible connection, but how can we connect John McCain to his chairman's sex life?

[jaguarr]

This is sad. I disagree with McCain on a lot of stuff, but I think he cares about America, and a prostitute? Come on. There are worse things people could be doing. It's not hurting anybody and it's a far cry from taking a bribe to support or oppose a law.

If only the Republicans took that stance when Clinton was getting hummers from his intern. Do you honestly think the Republicans would be just standing by and saying nothing if these guys were Democrats? Hardly. They decry moral decay all the time, so when they get caught engaging in it they need to get a little comeuppance.


And it wasn't even McCain who did it. If one of his people are doing something corrupt than there is a possible connection, but how can we connect John McCain to his chairman's sex life?

It does make me question his choice in people he associates with.

jag

[Carcharodon]

If only the Republicans took that stance when Clinton was getting hummers from his intern. Do you honestly think the Republicans would be just standing by and saying nothing if these guys were Democrats? Hardly. They decry moral decay all the time, so when they get caught engaging in it they need to get a little comeuppance.



It does make me question his choice in people he associates with.

jagIt's as though you're validating what they did with Clinton, though. Perhaps not to the very same extent, but in principle...

[jaguarr]

It's as though you're validating what they did with Clinton, though. Perhaps not to the very same extent, but in principle...

More like holding them to their own set of rules. I personally could give two ****s. They're the ones that always make such a big deal out of this type of stuff, so when they get caught doing it they should be turned into just as big of a media circus for their troubles.

jag

[sinewave]

This is sad. I disagree with McCain on a lot of stuff, but I think he cares about America, and a prostitute? Come on. There are worse things people could be doing. It's not hurting anybody and it's a far cry from taking a bribe to support or oppose a law.

And it wasn't even McCain who did it. If one of his people are doing something corrupt than there is a possible connection, but how can we connect John McCain to his chairman's sex life?

these are hardly the only pock marks on mccain and his associates, though. he hired the guy who orchestrated the phone jamming scandal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_New_Hampshire_Senate_election_phone_jamming_s candal) in new hampshire during the '02 senate election to run his current presidential campaign. not to mention flip-flopping his stance on radical christians like pat robertson and jerry falwell. i've completely lost hope of him being one of the few good republicans anymore.

[Armand Z Trip]

He allegedly offered an undercover police officer $20 for the unspecified act.

Allen told CNN affiliate WFTV the incident was “a very big misunderstanding.”

“This is a very gross mistake, a very big mistake,” he said, adding that this is what the judicial system is for.

Allen said he helped build the park, and was there looking around.




I helped build this park, I'll offer money to passersby for sex.

Seems reasonable.

[sinewave]

He allegedly offered an undercover police officer $20 for the unspecified act.

Allen told CNN affiliate WFTV the incident was “a very big misunderstanding.”

“This is a very gross mistake, a very big mistake,” he said, adding that this is what the judicial system is for.

Allen said he helped build the park, and was there looking around.




I helped build this park, I'll offer money to passersby for sex.

Seems reasonable.

i guarantee the next we hear from this guy he'll have found god and confessed his sins. that's the number one move in the republican scandal play book.

[lazur]

there's no argument that both sides have behaved immorally at various points throughout history, but the level of immorality in the republican party lately has far exceeded that of the democrats. besides, my whole point in this thread was to counter the image that the republican party tries to present of them being the party of family and moral values. i know plenty of republicans who voted for bush during the '04 election specifically due to their stance on moral issues. it's hypocrisy at it's finest and i take great joy in pointing that out.

Umm, no. The level of 'known' immorality may exceed dems, but that's only because dems, being more experienced at 'scandals' and 'immoral behavior', are just better at getting away with it ;).

But hey, this is coming from someone who believe prostitution should be legal. Now go ahead and call me a 'republican'.

[sinewave]

Umm, no. The level of 'known' immorality may exceed dems, but that's only because dems, being more experienced at 'scandals' and 'immoral behavior', are just better at getting away with it ;).

But hey, this is coming from someone who believe prostitution should be legal. Now go ahead and call me a 'republican'.

and how exactly do you figure that dems are more "experienced" with scandals? by the way, did you ignore the whole point i laid out for posting this thread? that it's to expose the republican hypocrisy about claiming they're the party of morals and family values? you conveniently avoided that portion of my post.

so because you disagree with the party on one issue that's supposed to convince me you're not one?

[lazur]

and how exactly do you figure that dems are more "experienced" with scandals? by the way, did you ignore the whole point i laid out for posting this thread? that it's to expose the republican hypocrisy about claiming they're the party of morals and family values? you conveniently avoided that portion of my post.

I do agree with you that many republicans claim to walk on a 'higher morale ground', but I would continue to tell you, just as I always have, that not all republicans are 'religious'.

You get sooooo pissy when dems are 'labelled' a certain way (such as my saying dems are more experienced with scandal, since, historically, it's just true), but you have no problem whatsoever labelling republicans as 'religious' and 'hypocrits' for clinging to a morale high ground that simply isn't applicable to all republicans.

Like someone else said - people are people, to hell with the party.

[sinewave]

I do agree with you that many republicans claim to walk on a 'higher morale ground', but I would continue to tell you, just as I always have, that not all republicans are 'religious'.

You get sooooo pissy when dems are 'labelled' a certain way (such as my saying dems are more experienced with scandal, since, historically, it's just true), but you have no problem whatsoever labelling republicans as 'religious' and 'hypocrits' for clinging to a morale high ground that simply isn't applicable to all republicans.

Like someone else said - people are people, to hell with the party.

i think you misunderstand me. the republican party stands on a platform of morality and family values and attempts to pass laws to deny rights to gays, who they label as immoral, yet over and over we see republicans getting caught in scandals involving prostitution, sexual harassment, drug use, etc... when was the last time you heard the dems run on a platform of morality and family values only to have several members of their party get caught in these types of scandals? i fully realize that not all republicans behave like this, but when it's part of their party's platform, it reflects on the party as a whole when things like this happen. besides, why do you care how people view the republican party as a whole or it's individuals if you're not one?

[lazur]

i think you misunderstand me. the republican party stands on a platform of morality and family values and attempts to pass laws to deny rights to gays, who they label as immoral, yet over and over we see republicans getting caught in scandals involving prostitution, sexual harassment, drug use, etc... when was the last time you heard the dems run on a platform of morality and family values only to have several members of their party get caught in these types of scandals? i fully realize that not all republicans behave like this, but when it's part of their party's platform, it reflects on the party as a whole when things like this happen. besides, why do you care how people view the republican party as a whole or it's individuals if you're not one?

I really don't care how people view the party. What I'm pointing out isn't that you regard the republican party a certain way, and I believe your perception is spot on btw - it's that you attack, attack, attack the other party, making broad statements not only about the party, but also about anyone who considers themself a member of the party, and yet you get really defensive when the same type of sweeping characterizations are made about the democrat party.

And then you call 'republicans' hypocrits.

There's a certain amount of irony in that, me thinks.

[Kritish]

How long before Slim comes in and posts and irrelevant story about a Democrat? I give it 12 hours.

That slow? I'm giving him eight hours.

[sinewave]

I really don't care how people view the party. What I'm pointing out isn't that you regard the republican party a certain way, and I believe your perception is spot on btw - it's that you attack, attack, attack the other party, making broad statements not only about the party, but also about anyone who considers themself a member of the party, and yet you get really defensive when the same type of sweeping characterizations are made about the democrat party.

And then you call 'republicans' hypocrits.

There's a certain amount of irony in that, me thinks.

when have i attacked people who consider themselves republicans? i've tried my best to make the distinction that i'm referring to republican government officials and not republican citizens when discussing the hypocrisy. i've challenged republican posters on this board, but when have i claimed that every single republican is crooked, corrupt or a hypocrite? that's something you've always tried to claim of me, but it's completely false. you hear what you want to hear. i will say, though, that i can't understand how anyone would want to associate with the republican party at this point, but i don't think i've ever attacked the entire population of republican-voting american citizens. i still don't get how you don't want to be associated with the republican party, as you claimed in an earlier post in this thread, yet you bend over backwards to defend them while not showing the same courtesy to the democratic party. i'm still waiting for you to respond to my question about how, as you claimed, the democrats are involved in as many scandals as the republicans but are just better at hiding it. was that just more spin to deflect the blame off the republican party you claim to not be associated with?

side note on bob allen. the undercover cop he solicited was apparently a male. double whammy!

[Sun_Down]

That slow? I'm giving him eight hours.

I just figured I'd give him time to scan his psycho right-wing websites to find some dirt on Harry Reid or something.

[Dan33977]

Meh.....happens on both sides......humans are humans......I'm independent that has voted both ways....depending on the person.......most of the people I know don't give a rat's ass what either party calls itself.....they look at how the person stands on specific issues and goes from there....

Exactly!

[Kritish]

I just figured I'd give him time to scan his psycho right-wing websites to find some dirt on Harry Reid or something.

I'm sure he's got all his favorites bookmarked by now.

[hippie_hunter]

Where the f**k is celldog :cmad:

[Downhere]

Meh.....happens on both sides......humans are humans......I'm independent that has voted both ways....depending on the person.......most of the people I know don't give a rat's ass what either party calls itself.....they look at how the person stands on specific issues and goes from there....

Ditto, both sides have their fair share of problems, corruption, scandels, etc. Frankly, lately, both parties have become more annoying.

[Kritish]

Where the f**k is celldog :cmad:

I know, there’s almost no point in bashing Republicans if he’s not going to spam the thread with his idiocy. I never thought I’d say this but I miss him…in a morbid way. Kind of like how I miss SumOfGod.

[hippie_hunter]

I know, there’s almost no point in bashing Republicans if he’s not going to spam the thread with his idiocy. I never thought I’d say this but I miss him…in a morbid way. Kind of like how I miss SumOfGod.

TSOG was more like Dib from Invader ZIM. He was probably right in every single thing he said, including the reptilians. But they were so outlandish that all of us just dismissed him as a complete nutball.

Celldog just makes idiotic comparisons of Democrats doing the same things 10 years ago that Republicans have done now despite the fact that even though they're similar, they aren't related at all.

[Addendum]

They're similar if you're the water carrier for a particular party.

Or in the case of celldog...

http://www.fitbuy.com/images/cn1411h.jpg

[Kritish]

TSOG was more like Dib from Invader ZIM. He was probably right in every single thing he said, including the reptilians. But they were so outlandish that all of us just dismissed him as a complete nutball.

Celldog just makes idiotic comparisons of Democrats doing the same things 10 years ago that Republicans have done now despite the fact that even though they're similar, they aren't related at all.

I know, I always want to punch something when I see a thread of Celldog’s. Even when he’s right he’s wrong and you wind up felling dirty for agreeing with him.
He’s also not above creating news threads that you can’t seem to find on any news site…

[sinewave]

White House spokesman Snow stepping down

* Story Highlights
* Tony Snow to step down as press secretary on Sept. 14
* Snow to be replaced by deputy press secretary Dana Perino
* Snow took leave of absence this year after cancer discovered in his liver

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- White House press secretary Tony Snow, who is undergoing treatment for cancer, will step down from his post Sept. 14 and be replaced by deputy press secretary Dana Perino, the White House announced Friday.

Earlier this month, Snow had told conservative talk-show host Hugh Hewitt that "financial reasons" may prevent him for serving the remainder of his boss's presidency.

"I'm not going to be able to go the distance, but that's primarily for financial reasons." Snow said. "I've told people when my money runs out, then I've got to go."

According to The Washington Post, Snow makes $168,000 as the White House spokesman.

Snow, 52, had been treated for colon cancer in 2005. In March, during surgery to remove a growth from his abdomen, doctors discovered that the cancer had returned and spread to his liver.

Five weeks later, Snow returned to the White House podium and continued to work as the president's chief spokesman as he underwent chemotherapy. In recent interviews, he indicated that his health situation had stabilized.

Before coming to the White House in April 2006, Snow had worked for the Fox News Channel and hosted his own nationally syndicated radio show.

He took a significant pay cut to take the job of press secretary and has talked publicly in the past about the financial sacrifices, as well as his passion for the post.

People close to Snow said that he felt he needed to make some more money to help his family, which includes children readying for college.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/08/31/white.house.snow/index.html

One more piece of the administration jumping ship, though with his health problems it's understandable. I'm looking forward to Dana Perino taking over. At least we know she'll look good while lying through her teeth.

http://video.thinkprogress.org/2007/06/perino297654.320.240.jpg

[Dorian Gray]

Kind of feel bad for the guy....my sympathies go out to him

[USMC]

Mine don't. :down:

[WTFimVENOM]

Kind of feel bad for the guy....my sympathies go out to him
:dry: Why?

[Dorian Gray]

Question, if he were liberal would you all be so hateful?

Note, I'm on niether side.

[USMC]

Question, if he were liberal would you all be so hateful?




What's hateful? It's actually a refreshing change when bad things happen to bad people. Conservative or liberal. :heart:

[WTFimVENOM]

What's hateful? It's actually a refreshing change when bad things happen to bad people. Conservative or liberal. :heart:
Restores my faith in the world :up:
Cancer is treatable, so its not a death sentence, but that doesn't make him pitty-worthy

[DV8]

replacing him . . . a hot chick :)

[DV8]

I don't know though . . . seems kind of strange how all these fuackers are jumping ship . . . Bush doesn't have many more 'power players' on his side . . . I know the guy is reported to have cancer, but still . . . the timing is a bit convenient . . .

[DV8]

wow . . . I guess I just said it was convenient to get cancer :confused: for this dude anyway :o

[kane9321]

Kind of feel bad for the guy....my sympathies go out to him


screw that..bye bye a hole

[Mr. Credible]

something big is going to happen soon, just wait and see.

cancer? i don't thing so. there's a reason all of these people are distancing themselves from bush.

[Dorian Gray]

What's hateful? It's actually a refreshing change when bad things happen to bad people. Conservative or liberal. :heart:


A view like that make me wonder why people oppose the death penalty.:dry:
Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this....have a good day soldier...*salute*

[Dorian Gray]

Restores my faith in the world :up:
Cancer is treatable, so its not a death sentence, but that doesn't make him pitty-worthy

So is kidney failure(which my mother suffers from)....but the treatment isn't exactly fun. Especially when you have to go on dialysis...

So you can see, as far as his health is concerned..I don't care about his politcal views in my reasoning for feeling kind of bady for the guy.

[jaguarr]

I'm glad he's leaving his post. Not glad that he has cancer.

jag

[Dorian Gray]

I'm glad he's leaving his post. Not glad that he has cancer.

jag



That's all I care about...:dry:

[jaguarr]

That's all I care about...:dry:


Alright, well good luck with that, then. :up:

jag

[USMC]

A view like that make me wonder why people oppose the death penalty.:dry:
Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this....have a good day soldier...*salute*


I don't oppose the death penalty... :heart:

And I'm not arguing... :huh:

And I'm not a soldier. :cmad:

[Dorian Gray]

I don't oppose the death penalty... :heart:

And I'm not arguing... :huh:

And I'm not a soldier. :cmad:



Wasn't saying you didn't:yay: .

I was just trying to avoid an argument.:yay:

Oh yea...Marine.:yay:

[USMC]

Wasn't saying you didn't:yay: .

I was just trying to avoid an argument.:yay:

Oh yea...Marine.:yay:


:yay:

[Memphis Slim]

Hate to see him go. He was the best press secretary Bush has had since that first guy Ari Fleischer.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hope he dies.:up:

[WTFimVENOM]

I hope he dies.:up:
^ Am I going to hell if I laughed out loud at this?

[Manic]

Let's put aside all political views for a moment and think about how much cancer sucks, and how hard this must be for him.


Okay, political views back on. Commence tearing into him.

[terry78]

Rats from a sinking ship.

[EdRyder]

I hope he dies.:up:

Snow aint a bad guy...
Hes just confused,, like Dennis Miller

[WTFimVENOM]

Snow aint a bad guy...
Hes just confused,, like Dennis Miller
and Jeffrey Dahmer :up:

[jaguarr]

I hope he dies.:up:

Dude, seriously not cool. You save that kind of talk for Tom Cruise. Got it!? :cmad:

jag

[The Chairman]

While it's awesome that one by one Bush is being left in the dust, it does suck that the guy has cancer. I hate Bush, but I'm not a malicious person, so here's hoping his treatment goes well.

[The Chairman]

Also, I bet the guys wishing Snow would die are the same guys who flamed Anne Coulter for wishing John Edwards would die in a terrorist attack. You can disagree with someone's political beliefs, but to wish death on them is a bit extreme.

(Note: I'm not defending Coulter BTW.)

[USMC]

Well, in all fairness, She SHOULD die.


horribly.

[DV8]

yeah, as much as I feel this jerk-off should die from cancer, it's bad karma to really wish it on him . . . although it's pry bad karma that gave him the cancer in the first place [/hippie metaphysical mumbo jumbo]

[rdh007]

Dude, seriously not cool. You save that kind of talk for Tom Cruise. Got it!? :cmad:

jag
I really l-ed ol.

[DorkyFresh]

wow, snow's jumping ship too? who's next?





it'd be awesome to see Bill O'Rielly get what he deserves.

[Mee]

At this rate the only ones left in the White House will be Dubya, Cheney, and Barney the dog. :csad:

[The Chairman]

At this rate the only ones left in the White House will be Dubya, Cheney, and Barney the dog. :csad:

You think Condi will jump ship? :huh:

[Mee]

You think Condi will jump ship? :huh:
Barney will eat her.

[The Chairman]

Barney will eat her.

LOL. http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gifhttp://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Super_Ludacris]

Bush stay losing

[hippie_hunter]

Well, in all fairness, She SHOULD die.


horribly.

You know, I'd never wish death on someone or even anything horrible. But just listening to Coulter just makes me want to see something bad happen to her. Like something really horrible.

What an awful person. Worse than Bill O'Reily IMO.

[hippie_hunter]

Also, I'd hate to be the Press Secretary for the President. Even if he or she were telling the truth, the press will still get on your ass and think you're lying.

[Kelly]

This is old news, he stated he was resigning over a month ago...

[Obi-Ron]

it'd be awesome to see Bill O'Rielly get what he deserves.

Yeah, but no one gets tarred and feathered anymore. :ninja:

[sinewave]

This is old news, he stated he was resigning over a month ago...

true, but there wasn't a thread on it already and he just announced the exact date today.

[Kelly]

true, but there wasn't a thread on it already and he just announced the exact date today.


oh no....no.....no, I didn't mean there shouldn't be a thread. I just meant, that its not a surprise. He's been talking about this actually since the reoccurence of his cancer.

[sinewave]

oh no....no.....no, I didn't mean there shouldn't be a thread. I just meant, that its not a surprise. He's been talking about this actually since the reoccurence of his cancer.

that's ok. yeah, he mentioned he wasn't staying through the rest of the term in an interview about a week or two ago, so it was only a matter of time.

[Kelly]

that's ok. yeah, he mentioned he wasn't staying through the rest of the term in an interview about a week or two ago, so it was only a matter of time.

Well, he just said on an interview that its not because of the cancer, but damn..............he looks bad........and he can make more money as a news anchor, with his radio show, etc......I think thats the bottomline, and it takes money to fight cancer.

[sinewave]

Well, he just said on an interview that its not because of the cancer, but damn..............he looks bad........and he can make more money as a news anchor, with his radio show, etc......I think thats the bottomline, and it takes money to fight cancer.

true. he said it was for financial reasons, but i think the stress of the job was probably a major factor. i can't imagine how tough it is to have to fend off the media scrutiny as he does on a daily basis.

[Kelly]

true. he said it was for financial reasons, but i think the stress of the job was probably a major factor. i can't imagine how tough it is to have to fend off the media scrutiny as he does on a daily basis.


You are not joking.....damn, he's a walking bulls eye.

[Armand Z Trip]

Tony Snow? Bush bashing liberal!

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/25/snow-on-bush

[Arkady Rossovich]

I can imagine half of his decision came from his health,the other..Bush.

[LuiECuomo]

Hey, guys? My dad is being treated for colon cancer right now.

So for anyone who says that they're "glad," "they hope he dies," etc., you can all go to hell, you degenerate pieces of ****.

[Obi-Ron]

Hey, guys? My dad is being treated for colon cancer right now.

So for anyone who says that they're "glad," "they hope he dies," etc., you can all go to hell, you degenerate pieces of ****.

I lost my father to renal cell cancer ten years ago. NO ONE deserves to go out like he did. :csad:

Good luck to your dad.

[LuiECuomo]

Thanks a lot, man.

[Ghostvirus]

*runs naked through thread*WOOO!!! Another one bites the dust!

[LuiECuomo]

What?

[Downhere]

What the hell is wrong with you people who are wishing bad things on someone just because they are on the other side of the political spectrum? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Have some compassion, geez.

[Symbiotic]

What the hell is wrong with you people who are wishing bad things on someone just because they are on the other side of the political spectrum? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Have some compassion, geez.:up:

[LuiECuomo]

Downhere said pretty much what I feel, but in a much more restrained way.

You should be embarrassed, you miserable *******s. Cancer isn't something that should be wished upon anyone for ANY reason. But I almost wish it on you.

[rdh007]

I hope he finds a job that pays more than $168K/yr. Zod knows I can't. :(

[Abaddon]

some of you guys are sick.:down x 100

[Ghostvirus]

Downhere said pretty much what I feel, but in a much more restrained way.

You should be embarrassed, you miserable *******s. Cancer isn't something that should be wished upon anyone for ANY reason. But I almost wish it on you.

*pulls pants up* Wait... he has Cancer? I didn't actually read the article.

That is a shame. I hope he is alright.

[Kelly]

*pulls pants up* Wait... he has Cancer? I didn't actually read the article.

That is a shame. I hope he is alright.

He's not alright, and my guess is that he won't make it another year.:csad:

[The Chairman]

Hey, guys? My dad is being treated for colon cancer right now.

So for anyone who says that they're "glad," "they hope he dies," etc., you can all go to hell, you degenerate pieces of ****.

Lost a great aunt to colon cancer.

My thoughts and prayers to your father.

[bullets]

poor guy

[LuiECuomo]

Thanks, Anthony. It's nice to see that there are some decent, sympathetic people left on these boards.

[The Chairman]

Thanks, Anthony. It's nice to see that there are some decent, sympathetic people left on these boards.

You're welcome.

I'm not the kind of person who judges someone based on their political views. No one deserves cancer, even Snow. I pray for him as well as your dad as I mentioned.

[LuiECuomo]

I don't want to bring politics in this as some lowlifes in this thread have, but it seems to me that if Ted Kennedy or Slick Willy were suffering from cancer, you wouldn't hear any "I hope he dies," or "good riddance" remarks from EITHER side.

Guess it shows just who the more civilized are in the political spectrum.

[The Chairman]

I don't want to bring politics in this as some lowlifes in this thread have, but it seems to me that if Ted Kennedy or Slick Willy were suffering from cancer, you wouldn't hear any "I hope he dies," or "good riddance" remarks from EITHER side.

Guess it shows just who the more civilized are in the political spectrum.

Well, I'm Democratic and consider myself liberal, but I'd never wish someone death regardless of their political ideologies, as pointed out. Liberals are supposed to be accepting and respectful anyway.

[LuiECuomo]

Yet I fail to see many that are. That's hypocrisy at work if I've ever seen it.

You just happen to be a welcome exception, Anthony.

[The Chairman]

Yet I fail to see many that are. That's hypocrisy at work if I've ever seen it.

You just happen to be a welcome exception, Anthony.

Thank you.

[Kelly]

What the hell is wrong with you people who are wishing bad things on someone just because they are on the other side of the political spectrum? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Have some compassion, geez.


Just put them on the "ignorant poster" list, and don't waste time debating with them....:yay: makes life much more simple.

[hippie_hunter]

I can imagine half of his decision came from his health,the other..Bush.

It's more than just those two reasons. They weren't paying him enough. He has cancer. And frankly, being the Press Secretary for President Bush has got to be the worst job out there. Hell, he probably agreed with him politically and there was no real reason for him to jump the sinking ship like Powell did nor was there any need to get rid of him like Rumsfeld, Gonzales, and Rove, but damn his job had to have sucked.

No money in the world would make me Bush's Press Secretary, toooooo much bull s**t. I pitty anyone who takes up that position.

[DeaDheaD]

Its just W, Cheney, and Rummy now. We are so screwed.

[hippie_hunter]

Its just W, Cheney, and Rummy now. We are so screwed.

Ummmmmm.....dude. Rummy resigned almost a year ago :o.

It's just Bush, Cheney, and Rice.

[DeaDheaD]

Rummy's still around on Lil' Bush.

[Argyle of Sock]

It's Robert Gates now.

[Ghostvirus]

He's not alright, and my guess is that he won't make it another year.:csad:

Damn. Now I feel bad. I just figured he was quitting for one of main lame excuses. Not for something actually important.

[Downhere]

Just put them on the "ignorant poster" list, and don't waste time debating with them....:yay: makes life much more simple.

Yeah, your right, definitely agree with your philosophy when it comes to such matters.



My thoughts and prayers to your father.

Ditto that to LuiECuomo.

[carrrnuttt]

Good 'ol Bill'O.



Bill O’Reilly Surprised At Civility Of Black Restaurant Patrons (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/24/bill-oreilly-surprised-at-civility-of-black-restaurant-patrons/)
By: Logan Murphy @ 11:41 AM - PDT

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/factor-france-boycottcrop.thumbnail.jpg

Media Matters (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007): (h/t Sassywho (http://ineverleavethehousewithoutincident.blogspot.com/))Summary: Discussing his recent dinner with Rev. Al Sharpton at the Harlem restaurant Sylvia’s, Bill O’Reilly reported that he “couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia’s restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it’s run by blacks, primarily black patronship.” O’Reilly added: “There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M-Fer, I want more iced tea.’” Read more… (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210007)Because we know BillO’s fans are so civilized and polite (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/22/email-from-a-bill-oreilly-fan/).

You can listen to the audio clip of the segment here (http://mediamatters.org/static/audio/oreilly-20070919-race.mp3).

Filed Under: Racism/Bigotry (http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/racismbigotry/), Fox News (http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/fox-news/), Bill O'Reilly (http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/fox-news/bill-oreilly/)

[Logan's Runt]

Jesus f***in Christ. :whatever:

[EdRyder]

I caught this on CNN earlier-
This guy just doesn't get it-hes so inherently racist he doesn't even know when hes saying something extremely racist.
Just like when that Obama is "articulate" bit came out,O'Reilly was all "we cant give you people compliments now?"

[MaskedManJRK]

Jesus f**king Christ...

Hell, he even has his racist, stereotypical images mixed up. The stereotypical, loud black man won't scream for iced-tea, he would scream for either orange or grape drink. :dry:

God, what a f**king dumbass. :down

[SentinelMind]

If O'Reilly doesn't face some sort of repercussions for this, boycott, I don't know what to think anymore......

O'Reilly is racist, but the guy seemed smart enough to use "code words"
. Now he's just blantantly oblivious to his own racism. "

"The blacks dressed in tuxedos!!!!!"

"They were civilized..WOW!"

"Girls think they got dress half naked spinning around in meth"

That's the most racist 3 minutes of talk radio I have ever witnessed.

[Mr Sparkle]

LOL, wow!
he should've said "they were so clean and articulate"

ahahahahahaha! good thing Celldog loves this cat. it's ironic in all sorts ways.

[BlackLantern]

O'Reilly is a well paid and protected clown and the chances are pretty good that nothing is going to happen......

[EdRyder]

I want to see this guy run out of town on a rail for this, just like Imus was.

jag

Totaly
I cant imagine more people ever hated Imus before his incident compared to the hate for "OReally?"

Lets get the pitchforks and light the torches-Chase him into the hills like the Frankenstein he is

[BlackLantern]

but he works for Newscorp, which is right behind the power structure in this country......as much as he should be held accountable, he won't be.....and no boycott, petition, or protest is going to change that....

[EdRyder]

?? oh a boycott would change that-But his viewers love him so much ,they probly dont have a problem with what he's said here

[BlackLantern]

?? oh a boycott would change that-But his viewers love him so much ,they probly dont have a problem with what he's said here

That is probably the case.....

[BlackLantern]

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

jag

Give this a week....let's see if anyone is paying attention.....

[Argyle of Sock]

Good old Papa Bear... :whatever:

[BlackLantern]

Imus getting canned was different circumstances.....it was easier for him to get fired then it was for his employers to fight for him....O'Reilly is the pointman of a primetime lineup that pulls about 2 million viewers a night as opposed to the 750 thousand that CNN gets, or the 300 thousand that msnbc gets during their primetime programming.....

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Especially since Imus made his comment with the intention that it would be a joke/funny/entertaining rather than something venemous (nevermind that it was totally misguided). O'Reilly says this stuff with so much vitriol and really means it.

yes
yes

[Obi-Ron]

Lets get the pitchforks and light the torches-Chase him into the hills like the Frankenstein he is


And I say we tar and feather him! :unishr:

[Matt]

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but it seems to me that the article is out of context. I imagine he was being intentionally sardonic and exaggerating these stereotypes to prove a point.

[CConn]

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but it seems to me that the article is out of context. I imagine he was being intentionally sardonic and exaggerating these stereotypes to prove a point.
Exactly.

What he's saying that black people aren't different or inferior to anyone else, and that that's a very good thing.

[Matt]

Exactly.

What he's saying that black people aren't different or inferior to anyone else, and that that's a very good thing.

Yeah, O'Reilly says a lot of stupid, mean things. This wasn't one of them.

[CConn]

Yeah, O'Reilly says a lot of stupid, mean things. This wasn't one of them.
And, what's equally stupid is how quickly everyone's jumping on O'Reilly just because they want to.

Seriously people, open your eyes, take out the ear plugs, and actually look at things in context.

[Equinox]

And, what's equally stupid is how quickly everyone's jumping on O'Reilly just because they want to.

Seriously people, open your eyes, take out the ear plugs, and actually look at things in context.

Bill O'Reilly still sucks though! :yay:

[X-Ray]

**Cue the little black kid ... the one that goes "That's Racist" ....** :o

[CConn]

Bill O'Reilly still sucks though! :yay:
It's like talking to children with you people, it really is.

[CConn]

CConn and Matt, you guys give Ol' Bill FAR more credit than I do, no doubt.

jag
It's not that I give him any credit, it's that I actually took the time to listen to the audio excerpt, and comprehend what he was saying and the point he was trying to make. What did you do, jag?

[StorminNorman]

CConn and Matt, you guys give Ol' Bill FAR more credit than I do, no doubt.

jag

Exactly. You already have an incredible bias against O'Reilly - which makes you far more prone to jump on him - whether it is justified or not.

[CConn]

I listened to the clip and heard pretty much the same Ol' Bill, spewing more crap. Thanks for asking, Puddin'.

jag
Wow, I had assumed you just read the clip.

To actually listen to the clip, and still think the quote is racist...that's pretty far gone in bias.

[Addendum]

Well, understanding is a three-edged sword

[CConn]

Maybe, maybe not. It's all perception, right? My perception of Ol' Bill, based on his track record, is that he's a bigoted, elitist, racist loud-mouth prick and everything he says and does comes from that basic base of operations. Other folks, such as yourself, give him more benefit of the doubt. I'm obviously not alone in my perceptions of the guy, nor are you. The truth, as often seems to be the case, likely lies somewhere in between.

jag
But that's exactly what bias is.

When I listened to that, I didn't think about who Bill O'Reilly is, or what whether I like or agree with what he says. I merely listened to the words said, and the statements made. That's what being unbiased is. Just taking something for exactly what it is, and what it's worth rather than injecting outside opinions and influences on it.

Honestly, jag, I really thought you were too smart to be someone who'd do something like that. And I'm not trying to insult you or anything, just being honest.

[CConn]

Isn't it just as biased to think he doesn't mean anything by his comments, though?

jag
No, it isn't. Because I'm not saying he doesn't mean anything by his comments. I'm not saying his not racist. What I am saying is that the comments themselves are not racist, and their (I'd) obvious intention was to dispel the concept of racism.

[CConn]

I'm sorry, but the references and comments that he was making were in and of themselves racist and pretty well representative of his impressions of black people. He may have been trying to put a "Hey, some of them aren't at ALL like we thought they were!" sort of spin on things, but it still comes off as racist to me.

jag
But that's exactly what he's saying.

As he said in his opening statement, all black people face racism. Why? Because a large percentage of white people are racist and have these assumptions about black people. Like they're uncivilized. That's true. Racists think that. And we all know they think that. And what O'Reilly said was that black people aren't at all like racists think they are, that black people are absolutely no different than white people.

You're being ridiculous, jag. You're projecting false and negative impressions onto the statement for no reason other than you dislike O'Reilly and wish to find more reasons to dislike him. You don't need to, there's enough already. But this isn't one of them.

[EdRyder]

Both you and Matt are really just trying to see what will stick
Exactly what about his tone or inflection made you believe his comments were meant to be an exaggerated example?
That idea is ridiculous and insulting to my intelligence
The comments themselves WERE very much racist-Bill is just so ass backwards he doesn't realize hes saying something extremely offensive as it comes out of his mouth
Just like the point I made earlier about his "Cant give YOU PEOPLE compliments" comment-This is in the same light.

How can you sit there and try and tell me a man who STRAIGHT FORWARD and CALMLY states:"I was surprised that it was the same" Isn't a racist?

Baloney

[CConn]

But we're not talking about whether we think Bill O'Reilly is or isn't a racist. We're talking about his actual comments, and what he meant by them. And saying that black people are no different than white people, saying a black establishment is no different than a white one, is not racist. Saying that that is a good thing is not racist. And that's what he was saying in that audio excerpt.

[EdRyder]

"I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship"

"There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."

"I think black Americans are starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the [Rev. Jesse] Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture. They're just trying to figure it out. 'Look, I can make it. If I work hard and get educated, I can make it."

Those are his actual comments
Completeley racist
No matter how you try and spin it CConn

[CConn]

Being able to even MAKE a reference like “There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M-Fer, I want more iced tea.’” or "I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City." reflects a racist attitude that's bought into the stereotypes about black people, though. His choice of words are very telling about his real feelings on the issue. Why is that so elusive to you? :huh:

jag
Because I'm not talking about his true feelings. I'm not talking about his personal prejudices. I'm talking about the statement he made and the point he was trying to make. And that wasn't a racist point.

[jaguarr]

Because I'm not talking about his true feelings. I'm not talking about his personal prejudices. I'm talking about the statement he made and the point he was trying to make. And that wasn't a racist point.

I completely disagree. His comments ARE racist in nature. Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to make a non-racist point, his choice of words are racist. It's like a back-handed compliment.

jag

[CConn]

"I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship"

"There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' You know, I mean, everybody was -- it was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense of people were sitting there, and they were ordering and having fun. And there wasn't any kind of craziness at all."

"I think black Americans are starting to think more and more for themselves. They're getting away from the Sharptons and the [Rev. Jesse] Jacksons and the people trying to lead them into a race-based culture. They're just trying to figure it out. 'Look, I can make it. If I work hard and get educated, I can make it."

Those are his actual comments
Completeley racist
No matter how you try and spin it CConn
Why are you being so utterly demeaning to me to say I'm trying to spin what he's saying? You do realize me, and especially Matt don't give a rat's ass about Bill O'Reilly? Even dislike Bill O'Reilly, right?

At worst, at absolute worst, those are the words of someone with a (racist) misconception about black people realizing that it is a misconception, and that black people are totally on the same level as everyone else, and should be treated as such.

But that's not what I've been saying. I haven't said Bill O'Reilly isn't racist. What I have been saying is that his comments black people are no different than anyone else, that they should and need transcend race and be successful, is not a racist saying. That's what I've been saying from my very first post. If you cannot understand that. If you can't take that as anything other than me saying "Bill O'Reilly is SO not a racist", then, unfortunately, that's your problem.

[CConn]

I completely disagree. His comments ARE racist in nature. Even if I give him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to make a non-racist point, his choice of words are racist. It's like a back-handed compliment.

jag
So what would you prefer him to say? That black people are different than whites? That he believes they are inferior and should be treated as such? Would that be better because it isn't "back-handed"?

It's ridiculous that you care more about someone's possible personal feelings, and what they're trying to say, what they're trying to promote. What he's trying to say is a good thing. And I'd much rather have a racist say "hey, I was wrong, black people are equal to whites" rather than continue their racists beliefs just so I can be free to damn them to hell.

[jaguarr]

So what would you prefer him to say? That black people are different than whites? That he believes they are inferior and should be treated as such? Would that be better because it isn't "back-handed"?

It's ridiculous that you care more about someone's possible personal feelings, and what they're trying to say, what they're trying to promote. What he's trying to say is a good thing. And I'd much rather have a racist say "hey, I was wrong, black people are equal to whites" rather than continue their racists beliefs just so I can be free to damn them to hell.

And it's ridiculous that you're giving him a free pass for making obviously racist comments just because he's suddenly found "equality" for the races as something he now thinks is worth championing (sort of).

jag

[Kritish]

I'm surprised that Celldog hasn't posted in this thread yet. Maybe he's too busy crying as he tosses his life-size O'Reilly cut out into the dumpster. :(

[Shifty]

Imus getting canned was different circumstances.....it was easier for him to get fired then it was for his employers to fight for him....O'Reilly is the pointman of a primetime lineup that pulls about 2 million viewers a night as opposed to the 750 thousand that CNN gets, or the 300 thousand that msnbc gets during their primetime programming.....

Those 2 million are mostly made up of racist white people in their 60s/70s. He may have the largest audience but its ignorant old white people.

[Addendum]

Those 2 million are mostly made up of racist white people in their 60s/70s. He may have the largest audience but its ignorant old white people.

which will die sooner than people in the 27-40 demographic, or even the 41-50 demographic

[Shifty]

which will die sooner than people in the 27-40 demographic, or even the 41-50 demographic

But by that time the bastard will have retired, spending his days having phone sex.

[Manic]

Okay, after hearing the clip, I get what Bill was trying to say. He was trying to say black people and white people, in essence, are the same. We're all ordinary people and stuff like that. That's cool. Fine. Whatever.

What has so many of us upset is the level of surprise he had for coming to that realization. He actually said he couldn't get over the lack of difference in black and white restaurants. It's like he expected less grace and/or civility than what he actually saw. Those low expectations of his are what's racist.

It's the unintentional subtext.

Text: "I was surprised to see that these black people were so well behaved."
Subtext: "I don't expect black people to be well behaved."

He's not consciously racist. Which, I suppose, is a start.

[jaguarr]

Okay, after hearing the clip, I get what Bill was trying to say. He was trying to say black people and white people, in essence, are the same. We're all ordinary people and stuff like that. That's cool. Fine. Whatever.

What has so many of us upset is the level of surprise he had for coming to that realization. He actually said he couldn't get over the lack of difference in black and white restaurants. It's like he expected less grace and/or civility than what he actually saw. Those low expectations of his are what's racist.

It's the unintentional subtext.

Text: "I was surprised to see that these black people were so well behaved."
Subtext: "I don't expect black people to be well behaved."

He's not consciously racist. Which, I suppose, is a start.

It's like he's saying "Well look, Martha, these colored people aren't NEARLY as bad as we thought they were!".

jag

[Abaddon]

eh, the part that seemed offensive was when he mentioned the Anita Baker concert and the blacks there being well-dressed, and Anita stating that there would be no swearing or rap there. Big ****ing surprise.:huh:

[StorminNorman]

It's like he's saying "Well look, Martha, these colored people aren't NEARLY as bad as we thought they were!".

jag

Actually its not at all what he was trying to say, but at least you are trying :up:

[La The Darkman]

And, what's equally stupid is how quickly everyone's jumping on O'Reilly just because they want to.

Seriously people, open your eyes, take out the ear plugs, and actually look at things in context.

While I agree with you, I'd say it's in some way fitting seeng as how he cherrypicks quotes himself and takes things out of context.

[Kritish]

Yeah, who would have guessed that not all black people are gang baning crack whores.

[kainedamo]

Because I'm not talking about his true feelings. I'm not talking about his personal prejudices. I'm talking about the statement he made and the point he was trying to make. And that wasn't a racist point.

The point he was trying to make wasn't racist.

What he was actually saying was very racist indeed.

The patrons were 50/50 white and black, and the blacks were dressed excellent :huh:

[chamber-music]

Okay, after hearing the clip, I get what Bill was trying to say. He was trying to say black people and white people, in essence, are the same. We're all ordinary people and stuff like that. That's cool. Fine. Whatever.

What has so many of us upset is the level of surprise he had for coming to that realization. He actually said he couldn't get over the lack of difference in black and white restaurants. It's like he expected less grace and/or civility than what he actually saw. Those low expectations of his are what's racist.

It's the unintentional subtext.

Text: "I was surprised to see that these black people were so well behaved."
Subtext: "I don't expect black people to be well behaved."

He's not consciously racist. Which, I suppose, is a start.

The point he was trying to make wasn't racist.

What he was actually saying was very racist indeed.

The patrons were 50/50 white and black, and the blacks were dressed excellent :huh:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5441/52uuyo2mv3.gif

[kainedamo]

lol, thanks.

But yeah, it's the level of ignorance more than anything. The "black people can dress well??" shock.

It would be the same as one of you guys visiting Belfast, and being shocked that the place isn't a warzone. And being shocked that Irish people aren't illiterate potatoe pickers. Would I be offended if someoene were shocked when they came to that realization? Yes.

[La The Darkman]

lol, thanks.

But yeah, it's the level of ignorance more than anything. The "black people can dress well??" shock.

It would be the same as one of you guys visiting Belfast, and being shocked that the place isn't a warzone. And being shocked that Irish people aren't illiterate potatoe pickers. Would I be offended if someoene were shocked when they came to that realization? Yes.

It's actually a bit worse than that, those places are thousands of miles away, and while there's always going to be a certain amount of ignorance about far away places and things it's just sad to be so ignorant and have such a sterotypical view of people and things right in your won backyard.

[CFE]

I'd have to agree with jag, Manic and kainedamo...

"Young white kids don't have to struggle out of the Ghetto..."

Yeah because as we all know black people are bound by law to grow up in the "Ghetto" just like Asians HAVE to know Kung-Fu and be good at Math, right?

The question isn't whether or not O'Reilly is racist I get that, and yes he is totally racist.

But I can only imagine that he's extremely ignorant to his being racist; that or he tries to sugarcoat it to make it sound better but his statements in turn sound worse.

I mean here he is essentially trying to compliment black people, but what's he complimenting them on? He's saying "Hey you guys didn't act like the stereotype I created in my head, I'm shocked!"

My only concern with it is that Bill should've picked his words more carefully. If he had a lick of intelligence, he could've cast his opinion in a more PC way. At least he didn't go the Rosie O'Donnell way and do an impression...though that "Iced Tea" line came close.

I imagine the folks dealing with Jena 6 have marked Bill on their hit list.

But how about that other guy Bill was talking with? He blamed the hyper-sexuallized imagery of gangsta rap for the high rate in children born out of wedlock...WTF???


CFE

[La The Darkman]

But how about that other guy Bill was talking with? He blamed the hyper-sexuallized imagery of gangsta rap for the high rate in children born out of wedlock...WTF???


CFE

Of course it's gangsta raps fault, I mean it couldn't possibly be that kids are physically maturing and younger and younger ages, or that many are lacking in sexual education...It's that devil box, along with that devil music.:wow:

[CFE]

Of course it's gangsta raps fault, I mean it couldn't possibly be that kids are physically maturing and younger and younger ages, or that many are lacking in sexual education...It's that devil box, along with that devil music.:wow:

We might as well blame Global Warming on that gosh darn Hippity-Hop to...:o [/sarcasm]

I mean come on "Guy on the Phone"...it's music...it's fun to listen to but that's it. Listening to Marilyn Manson won't make you go out and kill people. Listening to gangster rap won't make you have a kid out of wedlock.

The ONLY instance of music being influencing?

Putting some Barry White on to get a woman into bed...Now THAT I believe :up:

CFE

[Memphis Slim]

Wow.......

First of all, none of you like O'Reilly. I'm black and I understood everything he was saying! Juan Williams (a black man) also understood what Bill was saying.

In context (something you guys didn't want to hear) all Bill was saying was that some white people (probably some of you) have this idea about blacks that says that Hip Hop is what been black is all about. Hyper-sexualized images that stimulate young minds at an earlier age to act out. Thus spiralling us into almost a out-of-wedlock birth rate of 80 frikkin' percent!!
White suburban kids, can dabble in it and not get absorbed. They have more buffers. Parents at home. Money. College. Black kids in the hood think "This is what black is"!! AND IT'S NOT!! :cmad: And they get trapped in it and cannot escape.

All Bill was doing, was letting the white America that watches or listens to The Factor, know that Snoop Dogg, Ludacris, Bouncin' Booties, cussin' out loud and bastard children is not what Black America is!! Believe it or not stereotypes abound!! Especially with you people who are shocked that a black man can be conservative! Look in the mirror at yourselves and ask why?? Why am I shocked. It's because you thought blacks folks all or should think one way.


I understood what he was saying and I'm glad he said it. If you already hate the guy, you're already looking for an issue anyway. There is no issue here!

[Erzengel]

I wrote about this in the Slo Glo lounge. :o

And no Slim, that's not what Bill was doing. He went to a toursity site in Harlem, Sylvia's. Not exactly going into the bad part of the city. Pure and simple it was a publicity stunt to show that Bill was in touch with race relations when he proved that exact opposite.

And racism is having preconcieved notions of how a certain race acts, and correct me if I'm wrong, that's exactly what he was doing. He was almost suprised that black people at a black restaurant were no different than whites? Why is that a shock? Did he expect people to be hooping and hollaring and saying "Mother f'ker where's my Kool Aid"?

[CFE]

The only thing worse than being a blatant racist is being an ambivilant racist like Bill.

He can just take a big dump on black people BC he doesn't think that's what he's doing.

"Oh all I was trying to say was that black people are good, decent people."

Umm...then why didn't you just say that Bill? Why did you have to go on and on about the black stereotype you created for yourself?

See he sugarcoated it, which is why some people don't see it, but Bill's being a smarmy racist. But as I said before what makes my skin crawl about it even more is the fact that he probably doesn't consider himself a racist. Then again most racists never do...

CFE

[La The Darkman]

I wrote about this in the Slo Glo lounge. :o

And no Slim, that's not what Bill was doing. He went to a toursity site in Harlem, Sylvia's. Not exactly going into the bad part of the city. Pure and simple it was a publicity stunt to show that Bill was in touch with race relations when he proved that exact opposite.

And racism is having preconcieved notions of how a certain race acts, and correct me if I'm wrong, that's exactly what he was doing. He was almost suprised that black people at a black restaurant were no different than whites? Why is that a shock? Did he expect people to be hooping and hollaring and saying "Mother f'ker where's my Kool Aid"?

That's prejudice....Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another, people throw the word racist and racism around way too much.

[Erzengel]

Racial prejudice is still racism. In Bill's case, an ambivilant racist.

[terry78]

Because it's O'Reilly, of course people are going to be biased. You either like him or you don't. And that will affect your thoughts on the matter.

[Erzengel]

Hate to steal someone else's joke but....

"So I went to Chinatown and went to this restaurant and amazingly, the workers weren't doing kung fu and there wasn't a singing dragon."

[MaskedManJRK]

I'd have to agree with jag, Manic and kainedamo...

"Young white kids don't have to struggle out of the Ghetto..."

Yeah because as we all know black people are bound by law to grow up in the "Ghetto" just like Asians HAVE to know Kung-Fu and be good at Math, right?

The question isn't whether or not O'Reilly is racist I get that, and yes he is totally racist.

But I can only imagine that he's extremely ignorant to his being racist; that or he tries to sugarcoat it to make it sound better but his statements in turn sound worse.

I mean here he is essentially trying to compliment black people, but what's he complimenting them on? He's saying "Hey you guys didn't act like the stereotype I created in my head, I'm shocked!"

My only concern with it is that Bill should've picked his words more carefully. If he had a lick of intelligence, he could've cast his opinion in a more PC way. At least he didn't go the Rosie O'Donnell way and do an impression...though that "Iced Tea" line came close.

I imagine the folks dealing with Jena 6 have marked Bill on their hit list.

But how about that other guy Bill was talking with? He blamed the hyper-sexuallized imagery of gangsta rap for the high rate in children born out of wedlock...WTF???


CFE

Yeah, it's pretty f**king pathetic that it took Bill THIS long to realize this, when a five year-old with common sense would tell you the same thing. :o

[jaguarr]

Actually its not at all what he was trying to say, but at least you are trying :up:

I know it's not what he was TRYING to say, but it IS basically what he was saying.

jag

[Erzengel]

So I was posting on SHH and they were hooping and hollaring whenever a female poster made an appearance.

Oh wait... :(

[terry78]

If someone dares me in a restaurant to yell out, "mother****er, where's my iced tea?" I swear to God I'll do it.

[Hotwire]

If someone dares me in a restaurant to yell out, "mother****er, where's my iced tea?" I swear to God I'll do it.
I dare you to yell that in the next McDonald's you go to.

[MaskedManJRK]

If someone dares me in a restaurant to yell out, "mother****er, where's my iced tea?" I swear to God I'll do it.

A lot of people will be doing this--it's going to be the new tapping the foot in the bathroom stall. :o

[Erzengel]

If someone dares me in a restaurant to yell out, "mother****er, where's my iced tea?" I swear to God I'll do it.
Black people don't drink ice tea. :huh:

[terry78]

Black people don't drink ice tea. :huh:

Where have you been? We drink it all the time. You're so lame. :o

[SentinelMind]

Actually its not at all what he was trying to say, but at least you are trying :up:

Wow, you're just as smart as the other guys here.






it was a compliment...

[Erzengel]

Where have you been? We drink it all the time. You're so lame. :o
Did they start making them out of grapes? :huh:

[Darthphere]

Where have you been? We drink it all the time. You're so lame. :o

Grape drink.

[SentinelMind]

Because I'm not talking about his true feelings. I'm not talking about his personal prejudices. I'm talking about the statement he made and the point he was trying to make. And that wasn't a racist point.

That's a good point. Your ability to make an argument is not all that different from the other posters around here.

[Super_Ludacris]

I'm no fan of O'Reilly, but it seems to me that the article is out of context. I imagine he was being intentionally sardonic and exaggerating these stereotypes to prove a point.

Yeah that totally makes him less of a cock...

[chamber-music]

Black people don't drink ice tea. :huh:

I'm Black and don't drink Ice Tea because it tastes like crap. Some does Hot Tea. See I'm Black British and don't like tea so stick that in your stereotype and smoke it :cwink:

[jaguarr]

Yeah that totally makes him less of a cock...

No, no, Luda. Bill O'Relly said all those horribly racist and prejudiced things about black people while he was trying to sound all "un-racisty", so it makes it okay. :dry:

jag

[Erzengel]

I'm Black and don't drink Ice Tea because it tastes like crap. Some does Hot Tea. See I'm Black British and don't like tea so stick that in your stereotype and smoke it :cwink:
Do you wear a bowler hat while you do it? :huh:

[chamber-music]

Do you wear a bowler hat while you do it? :huh:

No one wears bowler hats although trendy london junkies wear trilby

Pete Doherty
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200707/r157329_570242.jpg

blake field civil (Mr Amy Winehouse)
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_02/BlakeFielderLIB_468x289.jpg

Everyone else is a Chav and wears a Hoodie (usually while robbing you)
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/hoody.jpg

[BlackLantern]

I like iced tea.....i find it rather tasty.....i don't think that makes me any less of a black person......I hate eggs

[Erzengel]

I like iced tea.....i find it rather tasty.....i don't think that makes me any less of a black person......I hate eggs
Part of the establishment, won't hook a brotha up, drinking iced tea?

Next you are going to tell me you can't ball and like Manilow. :csad:

[terry78]

No one wears bowler hats although trendy london junkies wear trilby

Pete Doherty
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200707/r157329_570242.jpg

blake field civil (Mr Amy Winehouse)
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_02/BlakeFielderLIB_468x289.jpg

Everyone else is a Chav and wears a Hoodie (usually while robbing you)
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/hoody.jpg

I want to beat up a hoodie. I just do.

[BlackLantern]

Part of the establishment, won't hook a brotha up, drinking iced tea?

Next you are going to tell me you can't ball and like Manilow. :csad:

Manilow can die for all I care.....I like basketball, prefer college ball over the nba when it comes to what I watch....

[chamber-music]

Part of the establishment, won't hook a brotha up, drinking iced tea?

Next you are going to tell me you can't ball and like Manilow. :csad:

Its crazy how people think there is a context to how people of a certain race should act. Everyones an individual. I don't judge or define a person by their race I judge them on the contents of their character and personality.

[Erzengel]

Its crazy how people think there is a context to how people of a certain race should act. Everyones an individual. I don't judge or define a person by their race I judge them on the contents of their character and personality.
That's the black talking. :o

[Fledermaus]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/Tonito44/ThatsRacist.gif

The owner told all the rude M-Fer's to not come in that day, Bill O'Reilly was going to be there.

[CFE]

Sorry to interject, but aren't those pictures of fedoras?

Why do people have a hard time telling the difference between:

http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/bowler-hat/image_large

and

http://spyhunter007.com/Images/indiana_jones_fedora_hat.jpg

NEway...

CFE

[terry78]

A black man wearing a bowler should automatically be deemed as a civilized individual.

[CristoTheSecond]

"And we're talking about the kids who still like this gangsta rap, this vile poison that I think is absolutely, you know, literally a corruption of culture. I think that what you've got to take into account that it's still a majority white audience -- young, white people who think they're into rebelling against their parents who buy this stuff and think it's just a kick."

[terry78]

Nothing is funnier than seeing a bunch of frat boys in a Jeep Cherokee blasting some explicit rap. And I can be that specific because I just saw it this past weekend.

[chamber-music]

Sorry to interject, but aren't those pictures of fedoras?

Why do people have a hard time telling the difference between:

http://www.icons.org.uk/theicons/collection/bowler-hat/image_large

and

http://spyhunter007.com/Images/indiana_jones_fedora_hat.jpg

NEway...

CFE


A Trilby hat (or simply Trilby) is a soft felt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felt) men's hat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat) with a narrow brim and a deeply indented crown. Traditionally it was made from rabbit hair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_hair) felt, but now it is sometimes made from other materials, such as tweed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweed_%28cloth%29), or wool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool).
Trilbies are softer than Homburgs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homburg_%28hat%29), and have a flexible brim instead of a curved one. They are similar to fedoras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_%28hat%29), but with a narrower brim. The hat's name derives from a play based on George du Maurier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_du_Maurier)'s 1894 novel Trilby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilby_%28novel%29). A hat of this style was worn on stage during the play's first London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London) production. The Trilby has been a symbol of chic elegance and class, and has been associated with jazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazz), ska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ska) and soul musicians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_music). It has been popular among the rude boy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rude_boy), mod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_%28lifestyle%29), skinhead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead) and 2 Tone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Tone) subcultures.
British journalist William Norman Ewer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Norman_Ewer) had the nickname Trilby because he was known to wear the hat. The central character in Ben Croshaw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Croshaw)'s adventure game series Days (containing 5 Days a Stranger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Days_a_Stranger), 7 Days a Skeptic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_Days_a_Skeptic), Trilby's Notes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilby%27s_Notes) and 6 Days a Sacrifice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6_Days_a_Sacrifice)) is a cat burglar nicknamed Trilby, presumably named so because of the hat he wears. The trilby was also often worn by Inspector Clouseau (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inspector_Clouseau), the character portrayed by Peter Sellers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Sellers) in the Pink Panther (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink_Panther) film series. According to Sellers, he already owned a trenchcoat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenchcoat) when he created the character, and he bought Clouseau's trilby from a shop in London (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London), England (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) because he thought the hat just naturally completed the outfit. The 1950s radio program The Goon Show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Goon_Show) made frequent references to the hat, such as a description of Eccles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eccles_%28character%29) in which he is seen wearing a "metal trilby."

[edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trilby&action=edit&section=1)] Notable Trilby wearers


Tim Armstrong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Armstrong), musician
Nick 'Peanut' Baines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_%27Peanut%27_Baines), musician
The Blues Brothers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blues_Brothers), musicians
Humphrey Bogart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphrey_Bogart), actor
James Bond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bond), fictional character (Dr. No (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._No))
Al Capone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Capone), gangster
Arthur Daley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Daley), fictional character
Pete Doherty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Doherty), musician
Carl Barat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Barat), musician
David Cook (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Cook), musician (0 Trilby)
Adrian Edmondson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Edmondson), Comedian
William Norman Ewer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Norman_Ewer), journalist
Corey Feldman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corey_Feldman), actor (throughout 1980s)
Synyster Gates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synyster_Gates), musician
Maurice Gibb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maurice_Gibb), musician (Bee Gees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bee_Gees))
Derek Grant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Grant), musician
Dick Grote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Grote), author
George Formby (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Formby), musician and comedian
Jimi Hendrix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimi_Hendrix), musician
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Linton Kwesi Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linton_Kwesi_Johnson), dub poet
Vincent Konrad (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vincent_Konrad&action=edit), fictional musician and vigilante
George Melly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Melly), jazz musician
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Paul Simonon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Simonon), musician
Matt Skiba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Skiba), musician
John Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_John_Taylor), musician
Charles Trenet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Trenet), musician
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[Memphis Slim]

I wrote about this in the Slo Glo lounge. :o

And no Slim, that's not what Bill was doing. He went to a toursity site in Harlem, Sylvia's. Not exactly going into the bad part of the city. Pure and simple it was a publicity stunt to show that Bill was in touch with race relations when he proved that exact opposite.


And if he never went to areas like Harlem, you'd say he was scared of being around black folks! You'd always find some fault because you don't like the guy. Just be honest. Why don't we reverse this thing an say that Clinton has is office in Harlem because he's pandering to that population. He was having dinner with Al Sharpton. Al probably wanted so soul food.




And racism is having preconcieved notions of how a certain race acts, and correct me if I'm wrong, that's exactly what he was doing. He was almost suprised that black people at a black restaurant were no different than whites? Why is that a shock? Did he expect people to be hooping and hollaring and saying "Mother f'ker where's my Kool Aid"?



Did you listen to the whole thing?? What is up with the selective hearing? He didn't sound surprised. He sounded pleased that he could tell white America the truth about what black is. Because that's all you'll hear in the rap music being played....cussin' with M....f...kers and all kinds of filth!! As Juan Williams said, the sewer has risen to the top and now most of American young people (especially blacks) think that Snoop Dog is the norm. Anita Baker is the norm! Classie black people are the norm. Why didn't you hear that part of what he and Juan were talking about?




You don't like O'Reilly. And no matter what he says you're looking for something.

[Erzengel]

No, I don't listen to him, but I can call a spade a spade.

[Memphis Slim]

eh, the part that seemed offensive was when he mentioned the Anita Baker concert and the blacks there being well-dressed, and Anita stating that there would be no swearing or rap there. Big ****ing surprise.:huh:



And what was wrong with him saying that the black were well dressed?

Anita is a music legend....a true genius at her craft. So knows good from bad.

[Memphis Slim]

No, I don't listen to him, but I can call a spade a spade.


Well I listen to everybody. Even those I don't agree with.

[Darthphere]

Well I listen to everybody. Even those I don't agree with.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHA!