Official 2009 MLB Thread

[Spidey-Bat]

Most of the players he's scouted are in the lower levels. It's time he's fired though.

Also, Mianya accused the beat reporter of the Daily News as fabricating the story and wanting a job with the team. I sure hope he's not dumb enough to make the accusation during a press conference without having evidence. However, I'm not surprised. The reporter sometimes appears on one of SNY's shows (Daily News Live) and he's made some critical comments about Minaya. He was running out of breath in his most recent rant about him.

I liked it more when they were winning :(

[Erzengel]

This seemed like an obvious solution. I mean on one hand what person would want Mianya's job if he got fired knowing how close Bernazard was with the owners.

[Raiden]

Good that Bernazard is fired; now Mets just need to fire Omar and straighten out their front office, and bring in a more competent GM, if they want to compete again in NL East.

[Spidey-Bat]

The problem is deeper than Minaya. They need to sell the team.

[NewYorkSpider]

Yankees, Reds discussing Bronson Arroyo trade. (http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/27/yankees-reds-working-on-arroyo-deal/)

[Erzengel]

Most of the players he's scouted are in the lower levels. It's time he's fired though.

Also, Mianya accused the beat reporter of the Daily News as fabricating the story and wanting a job with the team. I sure hope he's not dumb enough to make the accusation during a press conference without having evidence. However, I'm not surprised. The reporter sometimes appears on one of SNY's shows (Daily News Live) and he's made some critical comments about Minaya. He was running out of breath in his most recent rant about him.

I liked it more when they were winning :(

Mianya apologizes for his comments before the game, although not for what he said but saying it wasn't the right time.

[Spidey-Bat]

Should have thought of that before he said it. Media is going to run him out of town anyway.

[Erzengel]

They really shouldn't have gotten someone else to make that announcement. The way he was fumbling through that press conference just doesn't make the right impression.

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, he's not the greatest public speaker. The organization needs to stop letting him take the brunt of everything. The owner really needs to start speaking and taking some accountability. And when things are going down, not 2 weeks later when it's cooled down.

[Erzengel]

Well regardless of what happens with anything with NY sports, he's going to be front page on all the NY papers. :down

[Kingfish]

Lost amongst all the Met crap today:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9860844/Source:-Giants-acquire-1B-Garko-from-Indians

[BlackLantern]

Fernando Tatis with a grand salami!!!!

[Kingfish]

I'll take Juan Rivera, Kendry Morales, and Mike Napoli going back-to-back-to-back instead.:woot:

[BlackLantern]

either way it is not a great time for a pitchers ERA

[Kingfish]

Especially if you're Jeff Suppan and you're facing the Nationals. Yuck.

[NewYorkSpider]

Ouch. Suppan gave up 10ER to the Nationals. Poor guy.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'll take Juan Rivera, Kendry Morales, and Mike Napoli going back-to-back-to-back instead.:woot:

4 runs > 3 runs

[NewYorkSpider]

Tim Lincecum with 15k's tonight. Just an amazing pitcher.

[The Riddler]

Tim Lincecum with 15k's tonight. Just an amazing pitcher.

now if the giants can just acquire one or two more bats in addition to the solid bat they got in garko, we'd be set.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Lost amongst all the Met crap today:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9860844/Source:-Giants-acquire-1B-Garko-from-Indians

Ok trade. For the Giants it would be an upgrade from Ishikawa so it works.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Yankees, Reds discussing Bronson Arroyo trade. (http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/27/yankees-reds-working-on-arroyo-deal/)

Arroyo will occasionally dominate with those crazy breaking balls of his, but he gives up a lot of HRs. How exactly would this fare in the new Bronx? Eh.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Pirates have three bad hitting games. Shutout by Davis, Scherzer and co. in AZ on saturday and sunday and Lincecum Kd 15 tonight for the complete game. 2 runs scored the past three games and they were unearned. lol

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe the Mets can sweep the Rockies and get themselves right back into the pack... :hehe: Who knows though... get some guys healthy... maybe Minaya gets a deal done 3:59 pm ET on Fri. and what was once a woeful season becomes a beautiful season.

[Erzengel]

From what I'm reading, the Mets are slim on real prospects to trade? :huh:

[BlackLantern]

the Mets cabinet is damn near empty....we could trade the pitching machine and some equipment

[Dark Donnie]

From what I'm reading, the Mets are slim on real prospects to trade? :huh:

Mets don't have much that is ML ready, but their lower level guys are good.

They have Holt, Flores, and Meija who could all be stars....plus the man, the myth, the legend Fernando Martinez:cwink:

[Erzengel]

Steve Holt!?!?!?

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i212/XErzengelX/SHH%20Images/steve_holt.jpg

[cyborg ninja 14]

Steve Holt would've been the greatest baseball player of all time.

[ih8nyy]

According to Gordon Edes on Yahoo Sports the Red Sox are offering Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden and top outfield prospect Ryan Westmoreland to the Blue Jays for Halladay. But the Jay's really want a Shortstop, so the Sox are looking to get a third team into the mix like they did in the Nomar and Manny deals.

[Dark Donnie]

According to Gordon Edes on Yahoo Sports the Red Sox are offering Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden and top outfield prospect Ryan Westmoreland to the Blue Jays for Halladay. But the Jay's really want a Shortstop, so the Sox are looking to get a third team into the mix like they did in the Nomar and Manny deals.

Saw that....Amaro needs to get off his dead ass and up their previous offer.

[cyborg ninja 14]

According to Gordon Edes on Yahoo Sports the Red Sox are offering Clay Buchholz, Michael Bowden and top outfield prospect Ryan Westmoreland to the Blue Jays for Halladay. But the Jay's really want a Shortstop, so the Sox are looking to get a third team into the mix like they did in the Nomar and Manny deals.

Oh snap the Red Sox aren't messing around. This would be a disaster for the Jays if they actually traded Halladay to a rival. But, that has to be the best deal they've gotten for Doc so far?

[Dark Donnie]

3:59pm: Dan Roche, an anchor for WBZTV, hears that the Red Sox did not offer Buchholz, Bowden and Westmoreland for Halladay.

Did read they're talking to The Indians about Martinez and The Padres about Gonzalez.

[Dark Donnie]

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clu...LB&majteam=CLE


Cliff Lee-S-Indians Jul. 28 - 6:26 pm et

According to WEEI, the Red Sox are close to a trade that would send Cliff Lee to Boston for a package of Michael Bowden, Josh Reddick, and one more prospect.
Source: WEEI

[Dark Donnie]

Edit*

[Erzengel]

Mets chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon says he stands by Omar Minaya, but acknowledges the general manager made a mistake by questioning the motives of a reporter during a bizarre news conference.

Wilpon said Minaya was "visibly shaken" on Tuesday, one day after the GM announced the firing of close friend and team executive Tony Bernazard.

That news conference took a strange twist when Minaya said a reporter for the New York Daily News who'd written stories critical of Bernazard had "lobbied" him for a job with the Mets. The reporter denied the allegations.

Wilpon appeared shortly before the Mets played the Colorado Rockies on Tuesday night and said that Minaya "knows the collateral damage he caused."

Minaya was not available for comment.

So there might be yet a 3rd apology? :huh:

[Erzengel]

Double post.

[BlackLantern]

granted it was a stupid thing to say, but maybe Minaya wasn't that far off....getting your foot in the door is hard in pro sports, if you could undercut someone to get a leg up....??

[Spidey-Bat]

A reporter shouldn't be asking the team he covers for advice on getting into the business.



http://www.rotoworld.com/content/clu...LB&majteam=CLE

Source: WEEI

That's not true now.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/red-sox-close-to-deal-for-cliff-lee.html

[Kingfish]

This is what the Met's season has become about. And that is sad.

Cliff Lee won't be traded until the last day. The Indians have no incentive to move him this minute, when the Angels and Dodgers are now focused on him. Especially for a weak Boston package like that.

[cyborg ninja 14]

This is what the Met's season has become about. And that is sad.

Cliff Lee won't be traded until the last day. The Indians have no incentive to move him this minute, when the Angels and Dodgers are now focused on him. Especially for a weak Boston package like that.

If Lee does get moved it would be unique that the reigning Al Cy young winners are traded two years in a row, from Cleveland no less.

[ih8nyy]

And for the record Dice-K, why would you open up your mouth like that?

:facepalm

[NewYorkSpider]

Buehrle had a perfect game through 5 2/3. :dry: He just lost the no-hitter.

[Kingfish]

Then he lost the game. But he did set a Major League record for consecutive batters retired. So, that's pretty cool.

[The Riddler]

thanks mets...2 more from the rockies would be nice.

giants back tied atop the nl wildcard. zito with his 3rd straight solid outing.

we're back on track.

[The Riddler]

effin' double post.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Then he lost the game. But he did set a Major League record for consecutive batters retired. So, that's pretty cool.

What makes it better is that he broke his own teammate's (Jenks) record at 41.

[The Riddler]

haha at dodgers.

i hope they get swept.

[War Party]

The Phillies must have made some kind of deal. Carrasco, Donald, and Marson were all scratched from today's game.

[Spidey-Bat]

I wouldn't read a whole lot into it. They're probably sitting them until the deadline just in case something gets worked out. I don't expect anything to happen until the last possible minute.

[War Party]

Donald was scratched too.

[War Party]

Well according to reports and just reported on ESPN, talks have really heated up with the Phillies pursuit of Cliff Lee. Carrasco, Marson and Donald for Cliff Lee is the report.

[Kingfish]

Seriously, it will almost certainly go until the last minute. When you have 3 or 4 other big market teams going after him as well, the Indians aren't just going to rush him out the door.

[Dark Donnie]

Reports state the deal would be Knapp, Carrasco, Donald and Marson. Phils are focused in on Lee now.

[cyborg ninja 14]

In a shocking development the Jays will trade Halladay for Lee and fool everyone!

[Spidey-Bat]

I was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and they played a clip of Steve Phillips where he said he wouldn't hesitate a second to give the Blue Jays what they want for Halladay. No wonder he was an awful GM. You're supposed to negotiate and give up as little as you can.

[Dark Donnie]

I was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and they played a clip of Steve Phillips where he said he wouldn't hesitate a second to give the Blue Jays what they want for Halladay. No wonder he was an awful GM. You're supposed to negotiate and give up as little as you can.

Exactly. When Riccardi says give me your 3-4 best Prospects and isn't trying to negotiate.....a deal isn't likely to get done.

Halladay would be great, but I don't want to give up a Starter from the rotation (Happ) and our 1 and 2 prospect.

[Christopher Nolan]

the rumour that halladay will be send to boston is just hilarious...

[Spidey-Bat]

Phillies land Cliff Lee and Ben Francisco

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9866900/Sources:-Phils-reach-agreement-for-Indians%27-Lee

[Kingfish]

Well, I guess it won't go to the last minute. Oh well, at least Boston didn't get him.

[cyborg ninja 14]

So much for the last minute deal.

[Dark Donnie]

Thought on Lee? Don't get to see but for a handful of appearances...

[Kingfish]

Also, Ian Snell and Jack Wilson are heading to the Mariners.

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090729&content_id=6126826&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

[cyborg ninja 14]

Also, Ian Snell and Jack Wilson are heading to the Mariners.

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090729&content_id=6126826&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

The Pirates complete roster overhaul is complete. All that's left is Freddy Sanchez.

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't know if any of you care, but there's an interesting development with the Minaya and reporter thing. Before the press conference, SNY had that reporter on. Minaya and some players were watching and they thought he was gloating about breaking the story and bringing Bernazard down.

[FaT_tONle]

Phillies the favorite in the NL? If they get the bullpen settled I think they are. Dodgers need to make a move.

[FaT_tONle]

Edit

[NewYorkSpider]

If the Giants add a bat, they're a threat in the NL. I like the Dodgers at the moment.

[cyborg ninja 14]

They added a bat, his name is Ryan Garko. The Giants are now 1% more of a threat then they were yesterday.

[Raiden]

Can't believe that Phillies only gave up 4 prospects for Cliff Lee, the reigning AL Cy Young winner, and Dodgers did not tried to get in the sweepstake as well. Dodgers could've offered Matt Kemp and other prospects, and made a better offer than Phillies did for Lee. Right now, I have to say Phillies are the favor to win NL, not the Dodgers, unless Dodgers can get Halladay from Toronto.

[Dark Donnie]

A.) I wouldn't trade Kemp for Lee and B.) The Dodgers will have to move Bills or Kershaw to Halladay.

[Dark Donnie]

I don't know if any of you care, but there's an interesting development with the Minaya and reporter thing. Before the press conference, SNY had that reporter on. Minaya and some players were watching and they thought he was gloating about breaking the story and bringing Bernazard down.

I'm lost as to what Minaya did that was so bad....ESPN had a quote from Wilpon that said "Minaya is this close to being out of baseball."

[cyborg ninja 14]

Halladay probably isn't going anywhere. Ricchardi had his chance and he didn't take it.

[The Riddler]

i'm really surprised the giants didn't make a run at lee.

the cost was surprisingly low...lee on the rotation would look sick.

giants are in talks to get freddy sanchez...not the power they need but a .300 hitter and consistent infield bat to fill a huge hole at 2b would be a good move.

[The Riddler]

alderson for f. sanchez...omfg omfg omfg omfg.

tell me it ain't so.

you EFFIN' IDIOT SABEAN. you worthless POS.

[Dark Donnie]

Giants trade Alderson for Freddy Sanchez :dry:

[The Riddler]

brian sabean, i want to break your fat ******' face.

[Dark Donnie]

They could have gotten so much more for Alderson.

[The Riddler]

They could have gotten so much more for Alderson.

easily.

coulda packaged him with some other players/prospects for a legit bat.

hell, coulda landed holliday.

[NewYorkSpider]

They added a bat, his name is Ryan Garko. The Giants are now 1% more of a threat then they were yesterday.


They should've traded for Matt Holliday. They need a power hitter. It's the only thing that's keeping them from being that huge threat in the NL.

[Spidey-Bat]

I wish the Mets offered Castillo to the Giants for Alderson.

[The Riddler]

I wish the Mets offered Castillo to the Giants for Alderson.

sabean hasn't traded bumgarner yet...i'm sure castillo might tempt him.

[NewYorkSpider]

Joba just threw at Longoria's head. I love Joba, but that's just ****ing stupid. :down If you want to throw at someone, throw behind them or below the waist.

[Nightmare]

Maybe the Giants want Jason Schmidt back? :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

Castillos been hot lately...I could see him being trade bait in the off season though

[Spidey-Bat]

sabean hasn't traded bumgarner yet...i'm sure castillo might tempt him.

I could see Sabean re-signing Molina for 3-4 years and trading Posey. Assuming he's extended.

[The Riddler]

I could see Sabean re-signing Molina for 3-4 years and trading Posey. Assuming he's extended.

my worst nightmare.

molina needs to be gone, asap.

also, i can't see that happening, thankfully. posey and even bumgarner are as untouchable as prospects get.

[The Riddler]

Matt Cain is a 4 or 5 guy in a rotation....he might not even be a starter if he was on a better team

quote of the year?

best record and ERA in the nl, indeed.

[BlackLantern]

yes...but one man alone can not save your team...he's doing well right now

[cyborg ninja 14]

They should've traded for Matt Holliday. They need a power hitter. It's the only thing that's keeping them from being that huge threat in the NL.

I never heard of them being a player for Holliday. And even then, their offer woulda been uped by the Cardinals anyway.

Giants trade Alderson for Freddy Sanchez :dry:

lol. Defensively Sanchez helps I guess.

Joba just threw at Longoria's head. I love Joba, but that's just ****ing stupid. :down If you want to throw at someone, throw behind them or below the waist.

Joba's a *****. Longoria is my fantasy 3rd basemen:cmad:

I could see Sabean re-signing Molina for 3-4 years and trading Posey. Assuming he's extended.

Sabean would be a fool to extend Molina. I dunno, Sabean bought himself some goodwill by making the Giants younger, a move like that would move back into foolish territory.

[Go Web Go!]

Great game from Hanley and Josh Jognson tonight. More importantly, they beat a team they were tied with in the standing for the 2nd night in a row. Hopefully Florida can finish the sweep tomorrow.

[Spidey-Bat]

Josh Jognson? Did the Marlins sign another Dutch pitcher?

[Go Web Go!]

Hee hee.

[Nightmare]

Man this loss stings. Kershaw pitched his ass off. 15 innings and we lose by a run. The Cardinals are tough and are likely gonna make the playoffs. We need to make a move.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Josh Jognson? Did the Marlins sign another Dutch pitcher?

Florida Marlins for some reason attract the Dutch. They somehow missed out on Andruw Jones though.

[Kurosawa]

Halladay probably isn't going anywhere. Ricchardi had his chance and he didn't take it.

Especially now since the Indians basically gave Lee away for several guys with arm problems and didn't land Kyle Drabek.

Glad the Yankees haven't done anything stupid like trading Montero yet.

[The Riddler]

4 losses in a row for the dodgers...hopefully they continue losing and the giants' bats wake up for the phillies series.

lincecum v. cliff lee and zito v. hamels on sat/sun...gonna be great to watch.

too bad i'm not back by the bay...

[War Party]

Man, that Lincecum/Lee match up is going to be awesome. Can't wait for that one.

[Go Web Go!]

Florida Marlins for some reason attract the Dutch. They somehow missed out on Andruw Jones though.

They have one Dutch player. That counts as attracting the Dutch?

[Spidey-Bat]

That's more than any other team.

[Go Web Go!]

Vandenhurk may be the only native of the Netherlands, but there a few players that are Dutch. Andruw Jones, Verlander, a couple others.

[Holiday]

David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez tested positive for steroids back in 2003, according to the same list that Alex Rodriguez was named on.

[Spidey-Bat]

They should just reveal everyone on the list already.

[FaT_tONle]

Ortiz on the list eh??? What a joke...

[Go Web Go!]

Big Papi? I can't believe it...

[Erzengel]

I thought it was pretty much hinted about. My co-worker who's a Red Sox fan joked that Ortiz was slumping because Manny took the steroids with him. :huh:

[Erzengel]

Minaya says he has apologized

NEW YORK -- Mets general manager Omar Minaya said Thursday that he has apologized to a beat reporter for his critical comments during a bizarre news conference earlier in the week.

Minaya said he met with New York Daily News reporter Adam Rubin on Wednesday. But the GM was unclear when asked Thursday if he stood by his statements that questioned Rubin's motives and credibility for a series of articles about former player development executive Tony Bernazard.

Minaya has been sharply criticized since he said Rubin had "lobbied" him and Bernazard for a job in player development. Rubin denied he asked Minaya for a job and insisted he had merely sought career advice.

Minaya says he believes Rubin accepted his apology.
...

[Excel]

I dont see what the big deal with steroids is...they saved baseball.

[Raiden]

Big Papi? I can't believe it...

I'm not that surprised, actually; after Manny was tested and banned, I thought Big Papi would be next.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Yeah. Big Papi should by no means be considered a surprise. He and Manny were best buds, you know they were sharing substances. I don't get why only these names are revealed from the list. That pisses me off, either release all the names or none at all.

[Erzengel]

Well Ortiz looks bad because didn't he say anyone caught doing steroids should be banned.

[Spidey-Bat]

I dont see what the big deal with steroids is...they saved baseball.

They were added to the Controlled Substances Act in 1990 which made it a federal crime to posses them without a prescription.

[Darthphere]

Do the people on the list know they're on the list?

[Darthphere]

They were added to the Controlled Substances Act in 1990 which made it a federal crime to posses them without a prescription.

Well that's easy to get around.

[ih8nyy]

Well Ortiz looks bad because didn't he say anyone caught doing steroids should be banned.

He said they should be banned for a year. He said that this year at Spring Training.

I'm not shocked at all about it. They should get the other 100 names out that are left on that list.

Am I disappointed? Yes. But in no way am I shocked.

[ih8nyy]

Do the people on the list know they're on the list?

Yes. I believe the players association informed them if they did test positive.

[Kingfish]

Yeah, neither Manny nor Papi is a shocker. Considering Ortiz went from 15 or so in Minnesota to 50 in Boston. But, hey, maybe Manny was taking his Ovary juice all the way back then too.

[Darthphere]

Yes. I believe the players association informed them if they did test positive.

Then why the **** would Big Papi make such a foolish statement? Did he forget he was on the list or something?

[Spidey-Bat]

Well that's easy to get around.

Yeah, just do it in the Dominican where you can kill someone without being arrested.

It still makes steroid use wrong.

[ih8nyy]

Then why the **** would Big Papi make such a foolish statement? Did he forget he was on the list or something?

Maybe that's the way he feels about it? He can make that kind of statement cause he won't get any punishment for his name coming out now. If he is still doing them.............. well that's another story.

[Erzengel]

Well it kinda makes him sound hypocritical. :huh:

[Christopher Nolan]

they should release the ****ing list with all names. i dont care who's on the list but just get it done...

[ih8nyy]

Well it kinda makes him sound hypocritical. :huh:

Yes. But I don't think he ever said in that interview that he never took them. Let me go find that transcript of that.

[ih8nyy]

they should release the ****ing list with all names. i dont care who's on the list but just get it done...

This is all the players unions fault. They should have destroyed the list. Instead they held on to it and let it fall into the hands of the Feds.

[Go Web Go!]

I'm not that surprised, actually; after Manny was tested and banned, I thought Big Papi would be next.

Yeah, I forgot to wrap the sarcasm tags around that one.

[Christopher Nolan]

when he was interviewed about mannys suspension you clearly could see the fear in his eyes.., he knew they will get him..., a matter of time...

[Holiday]

they should release the ****ing list with all names. i dont care who's on the list but just get it done...

Yeah, it's garbage that only the big names are getting released and not all of the names on that list. Now I can't feel too bad for players that cheated the game but still, it's garbage.

[FaT_tONle]

Nice win by the Mets... but I always wonder how these day-nighters worked. I mean can they really clear out every single person after game 1. Couldn't a guy just hide in the bathroom for a couple of hours?

[BlackLantern]

Nice win by the Mets... but I always wonder how these day-nighters worked. I mean can they really clear out every single person after game 1. Couldn't a guy just had in the bathroom for a couple of hours?

stadium staff does a full sweep of all the public areas...including bathrooms

[FaT_tONle]

I just heard the Padres are looking the deal Bell and Gonzalez. Florida might be interested in Bell. Marlin fans hear anything about that?

[Darthphere]

Yeah, it's rumored. Andrew Miller and Shane West for Heath Bell. I don't think his name is actually Shane West.

[Go Web Go!]

I just heard the Padres are looking the deal Bell and Gonzalez. Florida might be interested in Bell. Marlin fans hear anything about that?

I've heard Bell & Gonzalez to Florida for Andrew Miller, Mike Stanton, and Cameron Maybin. I'd say that's too much. If Florida was unwilling to deal Stanton for Manny last season how are they going to deal him and 2 more of their top prospects for Bell and Gonzalez?

[Spidey-Bat]

Too much? Miller, Stanton, and Maybin for Gonzalez alone is barely enough for the Padres.

[Go Web Go!]

I wouldn't do it. That's just me.

[Kingfish]

George Sherrill's a Dodger.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9872586/Sources:-Dodgers-land-reliever-Sherrill-from-O%27s

Also, John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny are heading to the Cubs. Just Matt Capps left and the Pirates are fully stripped.

[Raiden]

I heard that Jays GM said that they will not deal Halladay after all. I think Phillies were smart to have gotten Cliff Lee with the Indians, and I'd be surprised if they don't win another WS this year.

[Dark Donnie]

Too much? Miller, Stanton, and Maybin for Gonzalez alone is barely enough for the Padres.

Agreed. No way those guys would get you Bell and Gonzalez. Gonzalez is going to cost 3-4 guys himself.

[Spidey-Bat]

George Sherrill's a Dodger.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9872586/Sources:-Dodgers-land-reliever-Sherrill-from-O%27s

Also, John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny are heading to the Cubs. Just Matt Capps left and the Pirates are fully stripped.

Zach Duke and Paul Maholm are left, too.

[Kingfish]

Might as well trade them off too. What a piss poor organization.

[Excel]

when he was interviewed about mannys suspension you clearly could see the fear in his eyes.., he knew they will get him..., a matter of time...

Yeah no.

[Kingfish]

Manny and Papi are both cheaters. Deal with it.

[cyborg ninja 14]

George Sherrill's a Dodger.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9872586/Sources:-Dodgers-land-reliever-Sherrill-from-O%27s

Also, John Grabow and Tom Gorzelanny are heading to the Cubs. Just Matt Capps left and the Pirates are fully stripped.

How awkward for Kevin Hart, he wins a game that helps his team move into a tie for 1st in the NL central and is immediately traded to last place. Ouch. Good trade for LA getting another reliever for Torre to overuse and Sherrill is a good one.

Neal Huntington the Pirates GM is basically blowing up the entire organization and starting over. If it helps the Pirates in the long run, then it's a good thing. If not, they toil in obscurity for another 10 years.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Yeah, it's rumored. Andrew Miller and Shane West for Heath Bell. I don't think his name is actually Shane West.

Sean West.

[Kingfish]

Yes. But I don't think he ever said in that interview that he never took them. Let me go find that transcript of that.

In case anyone's curious, he did. Here's the transcript from his interview with Howard Bryant just two months ago:

"Do you know how many times I've been drug-tested since 2004? About 20," Ortiz told me that day. "You've got the biggest guys in the game getting caught with this stuff, and that's why they don't think you can have mechanical problems or you can not have your mind in the wrong place or have injuries. It's all steroids. That's why I don't talk about it. When I get turned around, people are going to say, 'Oh, he's back on it.'"I said it a long time ago. I said if you want to get this stuff out of the game, don't do random tests -- test every player. Don't come in once and test two or three guys. Test everybody, in season and out of season. And if you still use and you get caught, then you should be suspended for the whole year. I said that a long time ago, and nobody listened.


"I'm going to do my thing. I'm going to keep working out, stay on my program, and if I don't get out of it, I'm done. God will be telling me that I'm done."


"I know what it is for my son to have Big Papi as a father," he told me that day. "There are a lot of people who do great things for him because he's my son. His life is going to be easier because he's the son of Big Papi.


"And that is the biggest reason why I have never used steroids. Because then he would have to go to school and have to listen to all the kids say that his dad is dirty, a cheater, and everything for him would be taken away from him and he would be ruined. I make sure I don't do those things, for him."
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=bryant_howard&id=4366974

[BlackLantern]

oh the irony....and the sweet taste of tears...

[cyborg ninja 14]

We also have yet to find out what substance Papi even used. I think he and Manny were on the pregnancy hormone cycle together. That's how they roll.

[Raiden]

Neal Huntington the Pirates GM is basically blowing up the entire organization and starting over. If it helps the Pirates in the long run, then it's a good thing. If not, they toil in obscurity for another 10 years.

Pirates is a joke and a Triple-A team, and they will never be good because as soon as they have an All-Star, their GM ship him for a prospect or two, but at least fans in Pittsburg have Steelers and Pens to root for.

[FaT_tONle]

Might as well trade them off too. What a piss poor organization.

Reminds me of what Billy Beane did before this coming year... and they still stink. Not saying that the GM is down there is as good as Beane, but at the very least they need to sign some FA in the offseason with all the money they are clearing. Otherwise put that team in the minors.

[ih8nyy]

Ortiz statement after the game.

Today I was informed by a reporter that I was on the 2003 list of MLB players to test positive for performance-enhancing substances. This happened right before our game, and the news blindsided me. I said I had no comment because I wanted to get to the bottom of this.

I want to talk about this situation and I will as soon as I have more answers. In the meantime I want to let you know how I am approaching this situation. One, I have already contacted the Players Association to confirm if this report is true. I have just been told that the report is true. Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive. Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me - I will not hide and I will not make excuses.

I want to thank my family, the Red Sox, my teammates, and the fans for their patience and support.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Pirates is a joke and a Triple-A team, and they will never be good because as soon as they have an All-Star, their GM ship him for a prospect or two, but at least fans in Pittsburg have Steelers and Pens to root for.

Good work with the Engrish there.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Ortiz say what?

"Today I was informed by a reporter that I was on the 2003 list of MLB players to test positive for performance-enhancing substances. This happened right before our game, and the news blindsided me. I said I had no comment because I wanted to get to the bottom of this.

I want to talk about this situation and I will as soon as I have more answers. In the meantime I want to let you know how I am approaching this situation. One, I have already contacted the Players Association to confirm if this report is true. I have just been told that the report is true. Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive. Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me - I will not hide and I will not make excuses.

I want to thank my family, the Red Sox, my teammates, and the fans for their patience and support"

Hold up. Didn't A-Rod say he was informed of his failed test in '03 and Papi is saying he knew nothing about it?

[Kingfish]

Ortiz statement after the game.

He might as well hurry up and blame his doctor while he's at it.:whatever:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Despite all this, the Red Sox will still beat the Angels in the first round this year. Again.

[Kingfish]

Bite me.

[BlackLantern]

I can sleep better knowing that Manny now has ZERO chance at the Hall of Fame

[Spidey-Bat]

Beltran may need surgery and miss 2010

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9316

[Excel]

Nomar isactually doing an excellent job explaining it on NESN.

The entire thing was a joke. It was random and anonymous to determine whether there would be testing or not. It was "If 5% or more test positive,well have tests" and it was optional. As far the union knew it was indeed random.

Hes questioning the validity because if they actually were doing something illegal, A)Why would they test, and B) Theres no way they actually knew who was who unless the players association was lied to.

I can sleep better knowing that Manny now has ZERO chance at the Hall of Fame

Yeah right.

[BlackLantern]

the Hall voters are old school baseball guys, any player who has even had a whiff of suspicion isn't getting voted in.....if McGuire isn't getting in, and he's gotten less and less of the vote every year...sure as shootin' Manny isn't getting in

[Venom'sDad]

McG was never a great player anyhow... he had a nice three year offensive run with the Cards. He was average during A's years and was just part of a great overall A's team during their three year run. McG was never getting in. He only get consideration because of the McG/Sosa chase to 61. Which was exciting moments. He struckout more often than not.

[Dark Donnie]

McGwire was a beast in Oakland....had arguably the best rookie season ever with 49 Hrs and 118 RBIs.

[Kingfish]

Nomar isactually doing an excellent job explaining it on NESN.

The entire thing was a joke. It was random and anonymous to determine whether there would be testing or not. It was "If 5% or more test positive,well have tests" and it was optional. As far the union knew it was indeed random.

Hes questioning the validity because if they actually were doing something illegal, A)Why would they test, and B) Theres no way they actually knew who was who unless the players association was lied to.

Yeah right.

The test itself may have become a giant mess, but that absolutely does not excuse any of the players who were caught by a test and shown to be cheats. The sheer wisdom of Nomar be damned.:whatever:

And you better prepare yourself for it, because Manny may not get into the Hall anymore. The last year will be nothing short of a nosedive for his candidacy. You'll have Boston biased writers who won't vote for him simply because of how he treated the team and their fans. You'll have those who don't want any cheaters in period. McGwire, Palmeiro, and Sosa are almost assuredly never getting in. Manny won't be any different now that he's been even further confirmed as a cheat.

[Venom'sDad]

Yes, that was a good season, part of the Bash Brothers.... afterwards, blah. He was just a solid bat and tremendously over-rated. Again, he struckout more than not. Like Giambi, solid, but no HOF.

[Excel]

Its up for debate whether roids even helped McGwire at all...that skinny twig of himself as a rookie ripped 34 homers in the 1st half of the year before struggling through an injury. Clearly not roiding, but still on pace to shatter it.

Or maybe it was the change of leagues in 97. 34 homers in 104 games in Oakland, gets traded to NL, clubs 24 in just 51 games.

[ARROGANCE]

I can sleep better knowing that Manny now has ZERO chance at the Hall of Fame


I don't think he care's if he doesn't go to the hall of fame

[BlackLantern]

EVERY professional baseball player cares about the Hall of Fame....if you don't, you shouldn't be playing baseball

[FaT_tONle]

Beltran may need surgery and miss 2010

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9316

Minaya has to go.

[Spidey-Bat]

Because of that?

[Dark Donnie]

Rodrigo Lopez string of luck looks to have ended :lmao:

[FaT_tONle]

Because of that?

Please... I don't want this guy giving himself a pass for the injuries again in 2010. Wilpons need to come out and say, "Not our problem you failed to add depth to the team and the farm system. Enough is enough."

[Spidey-Bat]

Please... I don't want this guy giving himself a pass for the injuries again in 2010. Wilpons need to come out and say, "Not our problem you failed to add depth to the team and the farm system. Enough is enough."

No team in the major leagues can withstand losing 3 of their best 4 hitters. Firing him over that is stupid. Even if there were minor leaguers, there's no way they'd be able to replace the type of production they got from Reyes, Beltran, and Delgado.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Bite me.

Dude, of course the Halos are gonna get it done. Do it for Adenhart:csad:

Rodrigo Lopez string of luck looks to have ended :lmao:

I noticed 3 of his 7 runs were earned. Sounds like some stellar defense play was also a factor. And Pablo Sandoval.

No team in the major leagues can withstand losing 3 of their best 4 hitters. Firing him over that is stupid. Even if there were minor leaguers, there's no way they'd be able to replace the type of production they got from Reyes, Beltran, and Delgado.

But Minaya could get fired for the fiasco with the reporter following the Berna-whoever firing.

[The Riddler]

what is with the hype about clay buchholz? he had a no-hitter in 2007...and?

sounds like east coast bias to me. the kid is nothing special.

[Kurosawa]

I'm just loving seeing the Manny/Papi news blow up in the smug faces of Boston fans after they were so arrogant when it came out about ARod. ALL teams have juicers, and the better the team, the bigger the juicers in this era.


It all goes back to Comrade Bud imo.

[Bob ROARman!]

Who's left of the 90s sluggers now? Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, anyone else? I'm almost completely certain Thomas didn't juice, and almost equally as sure Thome hasn't either. Those guys were/are just big and strong and have been their entire careers. It puts what they've accomplished in much higher regard with everything coming out and revealed over the past several years. Thome should now be a no doubt first ballot Hall of Famer.

[Dark Donnie]

I noticed 3 of his 7 runs were earned. Sounds like some stellar defense play was also a factor. And Pablo Sandoval.


Defense was probably the biggest thing...Phillies are one of the best fielding teams but had three errors last night....all resulting in runs.

BTW Utley is the man :up:

[BlackLantern]

Sandoval is on fire lately

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Minaya has to go


Agreed.

I don't think they'll fire him this year, but I thought he should have been kicked out the door with Willie.

As for Ortiz...I'm expecting all the names on the list to come out. All of them.

Because, if they don't...it'll look very bad, that the only names to have leaked were all Dominican players. That'd just be ****ing odd.

[Erzengel]

Hearing rumors of the Rays thinking of trading Kazmir and Crawford on the radio.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

God, why can't the Yankees just try to get one those arms if they're on the market.

I want Doc, but...I know it won't happen. But, I really want Doc.

[Kingfish]

Dude, of course the Halos are gonna get it done. Do it for Adenhart:csad:

That would certainly make it somewhat of a storybook ending for them. Course, I can just imagine Buck and McCarver butchering it with their awfulness.

what is with the hype about clay buchholz? he had a no-hitter in 2007...and?

sounds like east coast bias to me. the kid is nothing special.

Exactly. Aside from the no-hitter, he's been no better than a fringe fifth starter, yet he is still treated like the second coming and demands a king's ransom in trades. In reality, he's a kid with immaturity issues who could easily become the next Bud Smith.

[Spidey-Bat]

what is with the hype about clay buchholz? he had a no-hitter in 2007...and?

sounds like east coast bias to me. the kid is nothing special.

He had a lousy year last year but a lot of pitchers do during their first season. Lincecum was nothing spectacular in 2007. Phil Hughes and Mike Pelfrey were lousy their first 2 seasons.

It's not East Coast bias. If anything, it's a team overrating their prospect which is nothing new. Every team does it.

[Darthphere]

That would certainly make it somewhat of a storybook ending for them. Course, I can just imagine Buck and McCarver butchering it with their awfulness.



Exactly. Aside from the no-hitter, he's been no better than a fringe fifth starter, yet he is still treated like the second coming and demands a king's ransom in trades. In reality, he's a kid with immaturity issues who could easily become the next Bud Smith.

Exactly the same thing is happening down here with Anibal Sanchez. He's just not been able to stay healthy.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm so sick of hearing "[insert good player] is the perfect fit for [insert team]." Name a team that couldn't use a player like Victor Martinez or Roy Halladay.

[Excel]

Why do they keep talking about Victor Martinez like he is some destiny changign slugger?

[Spidey-Bat]

Because he's a damn good hitter who can play (albeit not well) a position where 90% of everyone who plays it can't hit.

Red Sox are about to acquire him according to Bob Nightengale's (USA Today) Twitter.

http://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/3055091029

[Darthphere]

Yeah, a catcher who can hit? Who the **** wants that?

[Excel]

The whole "He is a good hitter because of the position he plays" argument is bogus.

Theyre gonna need somebody with hitting hgiher than 280 and with mroe than 15 homers if they want an actual impact.

[Kingfish]

Obviously he's referred to as such an important hitter in the media because the Red Sox are about to acquire him. That's about all there is to that. If any other team (besides the Yankees) were about to get him, he'd be just another bum.

[Spidey-Bat]

The whole "He is a good hitter because of the position he plays" argument is bogus.
It does count when it comes to positions up the middle (C, 2B, SS, CF). Those are defense-focused and a good hitter there is a tremendous asset.

Theyre gonna need somebody with hitting hgiher than 280 and with mroe than 15 homers if they want an actual impact.
You don't think adding Martinez to the lineup is an impact? :whatever:

I guess you'd rather the Red Sox get Ortiz some steroids.

Obviously he's referred to as such an important hitter in the media because the Red Sox are about to acquire him. That's about all there is to that. If any other team (besides the Yankees) were about to get him, he'd be just another bum.

You don't think Martinez is a good hitter and makes the team getting him better?

[cyborg ninja 14]

That would certainly make it somewhat of a storybook ending for them. Course, I can just imagine Buck and McCarver butchering it with their awfulness.


McCarver would find a way to butcher his name like he does with many players. He would probably call Adenhart "Earhart" like Amelia Earhart.

[Venom'sDad]

Boston is looking for spark to their line-up obviously.... I think they are looking over their shoulders at Texas while trying to keep NY in site.

[Kingfish]

You don't think Martinez is a good hitter and makes the team getting him better?

Of course I do. But if the Angels or Rangers were about to acquire him, ESPN wouldn't give two ****s about him being such a "destiny changing slugger." That's the only reason Excel is hearing about how important he is.

[cyborg ninja 14]

The whole "He is a good hitter because of the position he plays" argument is bogus.

Theyre gonna need somebody with hitting hgiher than 280 and with mroe than 15 homers if they want an actual impact.

Stupid :whatever: Please defend this retarded idea that comparing players in relevance to others of the same position is bogus. And defend the idea of having Victor Martinez to be negative value. I assume of course you prefer Adam LaRoche or old man Varitek still.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Of course I do. But if the Angels or Rangers were about to acquire him, ESPN wouldn't give two ****s about him being such a "destiny changing slugger." That's the only reason Excel is hearing about how important he is.

Dude, who cares what ESPN says. I don't know who plays 1st in Anaheim, but having to platoon in and out Napoli and Martinez would be sweet.

[Kingfish]

So, according to Rosenthal, the Red Sox will get Martinez without giving up Buchholz or Daniel Bard. Why do teams keep bending over for Boston?

Also, Washburn is a Tiger, and Orlando Cabrera is a Twin.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Friday%27s-edition

[cyborg ninja 14]

So, according to Rosenthal, the Red Sox will get Martinez without giving up Buchholz or Daniel Bard. Why do teams keep bending over for Boston?

Also, Washburn is a Tiger, and Orlando Cabrera is a Twin.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596/MLB-trade-deadline-buzz:-Friday%27s-edition

Washburn deal is ok, they got him for the stretch run and someone will overpay for him in the offseason. O-Cab is eh. Whatever, Gardenhire will like him.

But what is this Martinez trade not including Buchholz or Bard? Sounds like Theo has the Cliff Lee-demand power on his side.

[Kingfish]

Dude, who cares what ESPN says. I don't know who plays 1st in Anaheim, but having to platoon in and out Napoli and Martinez would be sweet.

I'd love to have Victor Martinez in the Angel lineup. It'll never happen. The Angels were never going to be players for him. The Teixeira deal was incredibly surprising and unprecedented in this era for the team.

[Spidey-Bat]

Of course I do. But if the Angels or Rangers were about to acquire him, ESPN wouldn't give two ****s about him being such a "destiny changing slugger." That's the only reason Excel is hearing about how important he is.

Rangers already have a good offense. Angels getting V-Mart would be huge.

[Dark Donnie]

Excel, you're selling Martinez short....as a fan of a team that has Carlos Ruiz C, I would take V Mart in a heartbeat.

[Kingfish]

Dodgers are working on a blockbuster with the Padres for both Gonzalez and Bell for Loney and other parts.

[Excel]

Im selling him short because hes not Adrian Gonzalez :o

And Sox get Kasey Kotchman.

I guess you'd rather the Red Sox get Ortiz some steroids.

If it would return to his 2006 levels...

:up:

[Erzengel]

Yankees Acquire Jerry Hairston Jr from the Reds.

[Spidey-Bat]

Im selling him short because hes not Adrian Gonzalez :o
You'd have to give up the entire farm for Gonzalez.


If it would return to his 2006 levels...

:up:
You're an embarrassment to baseball fans.

[Kingfish]

You're an even worse fan than enterthemadness. Shame on you.

Kotchman? The hell?

[Excel]

You'd have to give up the entire farm for Gonzalez.

...and?

You're an embarrassment to baseball fans.

Its a joke, geez. Papi would miss 50 games :whatever:

[Dark Donnie]

Kotchman is kinda meh...What was the point though....yet another 1B.

[Spidey-Bat]

...and?
Martinez is a very good hitter and he's more flexible since he can play 1B and C and is a switch-hitter. They also get to keep their other prospects in case they want to make another trade or keep them.



Its a joke, geez. Papi would miss 50 games :whatever:
I don't know with you.

[Kingfish]

And considering the deal is apparently Justin Masterson and two class A prospects for Victor, you should be on your knees thanking Theo for getting a top hitter for crap.

[Excel]

I will say, the fact that we kept Bard, Bucholz and Lars is great. However, I was high on Masterson and will be sad to see him go. Hagadow is supposed to be FILTHY.

Martinez brings versatily and wil have an impact, but they needed a real slugger. Now they basically still need Bay to come around and Papi to keep hitting.

[Spidey-Bat]

And considering the deal is apparently Justin Masterson and two class A prospects for Victor, you should be on your knees thanking Theo for getting a top hitter for crap.

They didn't give up crap.

[Kingfish]

Martinez brings versatily and wil have an impact, but they needed a real slugger. Now they basically still need Bay to come around and Papi to keep hitting.

Poor baby.

Regardless, a player of Victor's caliber sounds like he should bring more than two completely unproven youngsters and an average reliever. They got a steal.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Braves have basically given up Beau Jones, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, Matt Harrison and Jarrod Saltalamacchia for a guy they had 3 years ago.

[Kingfish]

And Steve Marek. Can't forget about him.:whatever:

Scott Rolen has been traded to the Reds.

[Kingfish]

Nick Johnson goes to the Marlins.

Also, there are last minute rumors about Halladay to the Angels. I don't expect anything to come from it, but it apparently has a little steam to it right now.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm annoyed that there aren't any rumors that the Mets were interested in any one and just got outbid.

[Dark Donnie]

Nick Johnson goes to the Marlins.

Also, there are last minute rumors about Halladay to the Angels. I don't expect anything to come from it, but it apparently has a little steam to it right now.

Yeah I read that...Saunders, Aybar and Wood I think they said.

[Spidey-Bat]

It's over now so if we haven't heard anything by now, nothing will happen.

[Darthphere]

Nick Johnson is a solid pickup. Maybe we can get Bonifacio out of the ****ing 2 spot and on the bench or at least batting eighth.

[BlackLantern]

the Braves traded Kotchman??

[Kingfish]

It's over now so if we haven't heard anything by now, nothing will happen.

It's much more unlikely, but there have been plenty of deals that don't get announced until well after the deadline.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I think the Red Sox took on Kotchman just for the sake of getting rid of LaRoche? Ok I guess. whatever. Great deal to get Martinez. Boston is getting things done. The Jerry Hairston to the Yanks sounds like another Tony Womack/Matt Lawton type thing.

Excel is a dumb baseball fan. Stick with the NFL.

Dusty Baker will love Rolen for this gritty and veteran-y presense.

Nick Johnson will draw like two more fans to Marlins games. Congrats.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Rolen trade was retarded.

[Spidey-Bat]

Jake Peavy was traded to the White Sox (again). He has to approve it though.

This is according to Heyman's Twitter

http://twitter.com/SI_jonHeyman

[Darthphere]

Yeah, he went from a team not making the playoffs to a team not making the playoffs.

[Dark Donnie]

Jake Peavy was traded to the White Sox (again). He has to approve it though.

This is according to Heyman's Twitter

http://twitter.com/SI_jonHeyman

Haha saw that...2nd times a charm?

[Kingfish]

Hmmmmmm. Rehab in Chicago? Or the beach? Tough choice for him again, I'm sure.

[Darthphere]

I think the Red Sox took on Kotchman just for the sake of getting rid of LaRoche? Ok I guess. whatever. Great deal to get Martinez. Boston is getting things done. The Jerry Hairston to the Yanks sounds like another Tony Womack/Matt Lawton type thing.

Excel is a dumb baseball fan. Stick with the NFL.

Dusty Baker will love Rolen for this gritty and veteran-y presense.

Nick Johnson will draw like two more fans to Marlins games. Congrats.

I would be offended if it came from someone that was a fan of an actual contending team.:csad:

[Dark Donnie]

No Halladay trade according to Joel Sherman

[cyborg ninja 14]

Jake Peavy was traded to the White Sox (again). He has to approve it though.

This is according to Heyman's Twitter

http://twitter.com/SI_jonHeyman

Lol wut

I would be offended if it came from someone that was a fan of an actual contending team.:csad:

You have that 10 run inning in AZ to hold your hat on. AZ fans aren't particularly great when it comes to excitement or anything. AZ sports fans in general suck.

[Kingfish]

Yeah, the Halladay deal is dead. Not really a shocker.

Peavy looks like a done deal for Clayton Richard and 3 prospects. What. The. Hell? Just when it couldn't get any weirder than Casey Kotchman, something likes this goes down. Not sure what exactly changed for Peavy, but whatever...

[cyborg ninja 14]

Makes no sense. Why would Peavy suddenly now decide to go to Chicago. And Jon Heyman's twitter seems fake. A professional writer gets super lazy and goes "Vmart to Red Sox omgomgomg!"

[Kingfish]

Well, everyone's reporting it now, so it's official. Puzzler of the day for sure.

[Dark Donnie]

Padres got some good prospects.

[Darthphere]

Well I guess Peavy figured he might as well go to a contender. Padres seem to be more focused on dumping cash.

[Kingfish]

Bronson Arroyo is a moron. "Andro made me feel like a monster, but it probably didn't do anything to Manny and Papi." Idiot.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Bronson Arroyo is a moron. "Andro made me feel like a monster, but it probably didn't do anything to Manny and Papi." Idiot.

You don't understand. Taking Andro gets you womens:word:
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu252/sportsocracy/bronson_arroyo_boat_bikini_party_1.jpg

He looks like a lesser Sawyer from "Lost."

[Spidey-Bat]

None of them are good looking.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Don't tell that to the guitar-playing, leg-flailing, multi-millionaire named Bronson.

[cyborg ninja 14]

And I never specified what kind of womens. Just, womens in general.

[The Riddler]

He had a lousy year last year but a lot of pitchers do during their first season. Lincecum was nothing spectacular in 2007. Phil Hughes and Mike Pelfrey were lousy their first 2 seasons.

It's not East Coast bias. If anything, it's a team overrating their prospect which is nothing new. Every team does it.

except buchholz is no longer at "prospect" age.

clayton kershaw...now that's a real prospect; despite the fact he's in the majors he still has a lot of time to improve. buchholz is already 25...and i'm not saying he won't get better because he probably will, but 25 isn't young.

and what are you talking about? pelfry still blows and hughes is average (though he's young).

[Spidey-Bat]

except buchholz is no longer at "prospect" age.

clayton kershaw...now that's a real prospect; despite the fact he's in the majors he still has a lot of time to improve. buchholz is already 25...and i'm not saying he won't get better because he probably will, but 25 isn't young.

Buchholz is 24. He's still a prospect anyway.


and what are you talking about? pelfry still blows and hughes is average (though he's young).

Pelfrey had a good year last year. He's not as bad as he was in his first 2 seasons.

[SlackBrian]

Well I guess Peavy figured he might as well go to a contender. Padres seem to be more focused on dumping cash.

So this confirms at least that Peavy will be back sooner rather than later from his injury. It's better news than the rumours from before where he was close to shutting it down for the season.

[The Riddler]

Buchholz is 24. He's still a prospect anyway.
2 weeks from 25 and being a prospect at that age isn't all that good.

Pelfrey had a good year last year. He's not as bad as he was in his first 2 seasons.
pelfry had a decent last year and he's been pretty bad again this year. what's the point of bringing him into the conversation? he just hurts the argument that buchholz is gonna get better.

where is all the hype for kershaw? he's been doing great in the majors the last few weeks with a sub 3ERA and i hear nothing; i hear more about buchholz who's done nothing but throw a no no 2 years ago.

[Kingfish]

You don't understand. Taking Andro gets you womens:word:
http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu252/sportsocracy/bronson_arroyo_boat_bikini_party_1.jpg

He looks like a lesser Sawyer from "Lost."

I don't know what you're talking about, dude. That's obviously his mom, his aunt, and his ****ty little sister. Score.

[Spidey-Bat]

2 weeks from 25 and being a prospect at that age isn't all that good.
Nor is it as bad as you're making it out to be.

pelfry had a decent last year and he's been pretty bad again this year. what's the point of bringing him into the conversation? he just hurts the argument that buchholz is gonna get better.
My point was that Pelfrey struggled when he first came up but he wasn't that bad of a pitcher. Applying it to Buchholz means that he's not as bad as he was last year.

where is all the hype for kershaw? he's been doing great in the majors the last few weeks with a sub 3ERA and i hear nothing; i hear more about buchholz who's done nothing but throw a no no 2 years ago.

Kershaw's splits show he is a tremendous beneficiary of Dodger Stadium. Last year he had an ERA over 5 on the road. This year, his away ERA is double his home ERA. He's also leading the majors in walks. Also take into account the fact that NL West teams are pretty weak offensively.

Sometimes the people who cry "East Coast Bias" really have an East Coast Hatred.

[The Riddler]

Nor is it as bad as you're making it out to be. when did i imply it was that bad? i said it wasn't good and that he'll likely improve but 25 isn't "prospect age". you can go back and read my posts if you need a refresher.


My point was that Pelfrey struggled when he first came up but he wasn't that bad of a pitcher. Applying it to Buchholz means that he's not as bad as he was last year. yeah, it's obvious buchholz isn't as bad as last year, but that's irrelevant. i don't get where the hype is coming from for this kid when he's simply just a bit better than average.

and pelfry almost has a 5 ERA right now which is similar to his other years, suggesting the single decent year he's had is looking more like a fluke.


Kershaw's splits show he is a tremendous beneficiary of Dodger Stadium. Last year he had an ERA over 5 on the road. This year, his away ERA is double his home ERA. He's also leading the majors in walks. Also take into account the fact that NL West teams are pretty weak offensively.

Sometimes the people who cry "East Coast Bias" really have an East Coast Hatred.
so his splits are enough to forget about his sub 3 ERA or the fact he's only 21? if kershaw were on the east coast, he'd be everywhere. you and i both know that.

EDIT: also, isn't it funny when kershaw stops facing the nl west he goes on a tear? his last 9 games (when he got hot) were played against teams outside of the nl west except for the rockies (who are a decent offensive team). is shutting down the cardinals, marlins, brewers, mets, and angels not enough for some type of recognition? haha.

[Dark Donnie]

Sounds like The Jays had a deal in place with The Rangers but Halladay wouldn't approve a trade to them.

Shouldn't Riccardi have a list of teams that Halladay would've accepted a trade to? Instead he wasted a day discussing a deal with The Rangers.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Buchholz is 24. He's still a prospect anyway.

Justin Upton is 21 and a full-time starter. I think it's not so much your age but actual major league experience on the big club.

I don't know what you're talking about, dude. That's obviously his mom, his aunt, and his ****ty little sister. Score.

I rest my case.

[Kingfish]

What the heck was your case again?

[cyborg ninja 14]

You don't understand. Taking Andro gets you womens:word:


What the heck was your case again?

:dry:

[Spidey-Bat]

According to Jon Heyman, the Padres almost dealt Heath Bell and Adrian Gonzalez to the Dodgers for James Loney, Russell Martin, Blake DeWitt, James McDonald and Ivan Dejesus. That would have been horrible for the Padres.