Official 2009 MLB Thread

[Kingfish]

Yep. That's got to be the worst line for K-Rod that I've ever seen. I mean...yowch.

[Spidey-Bat]

I honestly don't care anymore.

[NewYorkSpider]

Just checked MLB.COM...A-rod wins it with 2 run walk off in 15th. Um.....boo. Looks like those Yanks are gonna make the playoffs. I don't like them cause they overspend like crazy. COME ON! 200million+payroll? Gotta love no salary cap in MLB. (Which is good AND bad, I guess)


You can't blame the Yankees for this. The Yankees spend like that because they're allowed too. If you're gonna hate the Yankees, you should hate every team that has a higher payroll than the Marlins. A high salary cap doesn't guarantee you a World Series. You should know that since the Marlins beat them in '03.

[Spidey-Bat]

Their spending never helps them which makes it more entertaining when they lose.

[NewYorkSpider]

As a Yankee fan, I don't get mad when people say they hate them because they're winnning too much, I hate it when they say they have to buy a championship. It hasn't even worked in almost a decade.

[cyborg ninja 14]

No need... Yes Network will fill in for those slots when we are sitting in the bottom of the 43rd on Sunday.

Michael Kay's head would explode well before then.

Just checked MLB.COM...A-rod wins it with 2 run walk off in 15th. Um.....boo. Looks like those Yanks are gonna make the playoffs. I don't like them cause they overspend like crazy. COME ON! 200million+payroll? Gotta love no salary cap in MLB. (Which is good AND bad, I guess)

I can't believe you took the time and effort to check scores unrelated to your Marlins.

As a Yankee fan, I don't get mad when people say they hate them because they're winnning too much, I hate it when they say they have to buy a championship. It hasn't even worked in almost a decade.

It's bought great postseason pitching ranging from Jaret Wright to Wang to Shawn Chacon. I'm constantly amazed how the Yanks will grab random guys like say a Chad Gaudan or Sergio Mitre and attempt to make them work down the stretch. Weird. Granted Gaudan hasn't yet pitched in pinstripes, but they seem to pull these waiver/trades every season.

[FaT_tONle]

Yankees never really brought in pitchers still in their primes these last several years until Burnett and CC. I know they brought in the Big Unit and K. Brown but those guys were pretty much shot at that point. I guess Vasquez was still in his prime when they brought him in, and he just never panned out. But I don't think the Yanks have had as formidable a 1-2 punch with CC/AJ since 2003. You add Tex to that lineup and that 450 million and change worth of free agents is enough to put you over the top. If they win it is nothing more than a product of their payroll. That's really been the case since 2004.

[Darthphere]

You can't blame the Yankees for this. The Yankees spend like that because they're allowed too. If you're gonna hate the Yankees, you should hate every team that has a higher payroll than the Marlins. A high salary cap doesn't guarantee you a World Series. You should know that since the Marlins beat them in '03.

Moving this in another direction. We've had the unlucky break in which almost every owner is a cheap bastard. On the other hand, I haven't looked up any numbers, but I doubt they're making much money off the team.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Yankees never really brought in pitchers still in their primes these last several years until Burnett and CC. I know they brought in the Big Unit and K. Brown but those guys were pretty much shot at that point. I guess Vasquez was still in his prime when they brought him in, and he just never panned out. But I don't think the Yanks have had as formidable a 1-2 punch with CC/AJ since 2003. You add Tex to that lineup and that 450 million and change worth of free agents is enough to put you over the top. If they win it is nothing more than a product of their payroll. That's really been the case since 2004.

They've at least been building their bullpen from within. They got Aceves and Coke and whoever setting up for Rivera.

[Spidey-Bat]

Yankees never really brought in pitchers still in their primes these last several years until Burnett and CC. I know they brought in the Big Unit and K. Brown but those guys were pretty much shot at that point. I guess Vasquez was still in his prime when they brought him in, and he just never panned out. But I don't think the Yanks have had as formidable a 1-2 punch with CC/AJ since 2003. You add Tex to that lineup and that 450 million and change worth of free agents is enough to put you over the top. If they win it is nothing more than a product of their payroll. That's really been the case since 2004.

I wouldn't say Burnett is in his prime. He's already 32 and has a long injury history. If they get one, healthy, productive season out of him, I'd be surprised. It looks like the first year may be it so it's all downhill from here with him.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Papi was looking classy today with his little announcement about how his positive PED test. Bustin out the shades to the conceal the eyes, and probably helped against the 25 cameras in his face. The argument of "I took supplements in the Dominican that I didn't know were tainted" is looking pretty week now. What reason would you have to trust Medicine purchased in that poor ass country?

I also think it's a little ridiculous that someone like Ortiz can't find out the results of his test. I know they are concealed by a court order. If someone illegally leaks a name, what is that player to do? They can't present their case with facts because they are not prithee to do so.

[Kingfish]

What more is there to say about this? Did anyone believe any of the other steroid cheats? Why should anyone believe David Ortiz? Because he's a Red Sox? Bull. All he did was take a week to come up with a fairly pathetic lie that's been used before. He's a cheater and he doesn't deserve a pass on this because he plays for Boston and ESPN loves him.

[BlackLantern]

I agree Kingfish...he's a cheater, plain and simple...No HOF for you Big Cheati

[Bob ROARman!]

Not sure if he would have ended up with the numbers anyways.

[Kingfish]

Considering his rapid decline, he'll likely end up with numbers very similar to Jason Giambi, and they can fade off into oblivion together.

[Spidey-Bat]

He wasn't making the HoF anyway.

[FaT_tONle]

Glad I forgot about the news conference. Sounded like it would have been a big waste of my time... just like the A-Rod press conference.

[Darthphere]

Papi was looking classy today with his little announcement about how his positive PED test. Bustin out the shades to the conceal the eyes, and probably helped against the 25 cameras in his face. The argument of "I took supplements in the Dominican that I didn't know were tainted" is looking pretty week now. What reason would you have to trust Medicine purchased in that poor ass country?

I also think it's a little ridiculous that someone like Ortiz can't find out the results of his test. I know they are concealed by a court order. If someone illegally leaks a name, what is that player to do? They can't present their case with facts because they are not prithee to do so.

That's not what he said at all.

[Kingfish]

Yeah, he just says it was over the counter supplements and vitamins. Which is just as lame an excuse.

[cyborg ninja 14]

That's not what he said at all.

Of course not, it was supposed to be implied as to that's ultimately it boils down to. That stuff that A-Rod used was from the Dominican and he's all "Gee, I guess I didn't know I shouldn't have used that"

[cyborg ninja 14]

For the record, no one knows if Papi tested positive for a steriod. It could be a number of substances.

[Spidey-Bat]

Maybe he tester positive for marijuana.

[Excel]

I give Papi a lot fo credit for saying the list shouldnt be released.

And the dif. between big Pap and all the other guys-Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Arod, ect.-hes come off a thousand times more sincere and genuine than those guys, so it is a a little easier to believe him.

And that he is freakin big papi; he is the man, roids or no roids.

[Spidey-Bat]

I give Papi a lot fo credit for saying the list shouldnt be released.

And the dif. between big Pap and all the other guys-Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Arod, ect.-hes come off a thousand times more sincere and genuine than those guys, so it is a a little easier to believe him.

And that he is freakin big papi; he is the man, roids or no roids.

*sigh*


Anyway, I expect the Red Sox to be very aggressive in the offseason with getting a position player. We know they have a massive hard on for Adrian Gonzalez already. They desperately need a shortstop, too.

[Excel]

We need a bat, period. This what Epstein gets for cheaping out on Texieria and Gonzalez.

[Spidey-Bat]

Can't blame him on Gonzalez. The Padres wanted the moon. The Yankees probably would have outbid them on Teixeira anyway.

[The Apocalypse]

For all you Met fans :D

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[Kingfish]

I give Papi a lot fo credit for saying the list shouldnt be released.

And the dif. between big Pap and all the other guys-Bonds, Sosa, McGwire, Arod, ect.-hes come off a thousand times more sincere and genuine than those guys, so it is a a little easier to believe him.

And that he is freakin big papi; he is the man, roids or no roids.

No, it's easier for YOU to believe him because he's a Red Sox and one of your heroes. Most people aren't that gullible.

[BlackLantern]

what are people expecting? half the starting lineup is injured and none of them have come back as of yet...guys who aren't ready to play everyday are being forced to and they are getting hurt or screwing up....Niese was just trying to hustle and make a play and he tears a quad?? what is that??

[Excel]

No, it's easier for YOU to believe him because he's a Red Sox and one of your heroes. Most people aren't that gullible.

...or hes just the man :up:

Seriuosly, I didnt see those roided up Yanks, Cards, or Angels's whackin clutch homers.

[Spidey-Bat]

http://deadspin.com/5332801/the-devil-is-still-in-josh-hamilton-update/gallery/

[BlackLantern]

that's not falling off the wagon, that's jumping....but a relapse is a relapse, back to the program with you Hambone

[cyborg ninja 14]

What's with the Red Sox pen? They were so depleted from last night they needed the services of former D-Back great Enrique Gonzalez?

[Kingfish]

Seriuosly, I didnt see those roided up Yanks, Cards, or Angels's whackin clutch homers.

I don't give a crap if he hit some clutch homers once upon a time. He's a cheater, he's a liar, and he deserves nothing more than Manny, A-Rod, Bonds, and the rest of them. And, believe me, neither will Vlad Guerrero when and if he gets outed.

[rdh007]

that's not falling off the wagon, that's jumping....but a relapse is a relapse, back to the program with you Hambone

It looks like it was a pretty fun fall.

[BlackLantern]

Ive had two relatives in AA and NA, and they have both had multiple relapses, granted they weren't as fun as Mr. Hamiltons but they do happen

[enterthemadness]

http://deadspin.com/5332801/the-devil-is-still-in-josh-hamilton-update/gallery/

Was just about to post a link to that.

I don't give a crap if he hit some clutch homers once upon a time. He's a cheater, he's a liar, and he deserves nothing more than Manny, A-Rod, Bonds, and the rest of them. And, believe me, neither will Vlad Guerrero when and if he gets outed.

Vlad Guerrero on steroids or HGH? I'm sorry, that just...doesn't compute. That's like Superman taking steroids or HGH. Makes no sense. But Vlad is bigger than he used to be...but imho, he already had GOD GIVEN TALENT as a baseball player...if he did use then shame on him. He was already a HOF type player imho. That being said, still be a fan of him.

As for Hamilton...I don't think he's on steroids even though he's clearly kinda big. I just believe he's that damn good and likes to get injured. (Read his wonderful book, boy does he get injured.) But him getting out of a slump by saying 'I stopped taking my ADD medicine is kinda weird, although I think him having ADD was mention in his book, but still.

It looks like it was a pretty fun fall.

Indeed, :up: and he was able to get 3 women while drunk. That takes....skillz, son. But still, it's bad cause he is married and has kids.

[enterthemadness]

:csad: I read the paragraphs next to the pictures...oh man. Well, he didn't fail no drug test but still....this is bad.

The girls left. According to one patron, Hamilton, piss-drunk by that point, asked the manager where he could buy blow. The manager didn't know. "Let's go to a strip club," Hamilton said. Someone drove Hamilton to Les Girls (http://www.legirlscabaret.net/index_east.php) in Phoenix, Arizona.

Nobody knows what happened to Josh after the strip club that night.

Well, all that matters is that Hamilton admitted to this and has been a class act in the interview I seen on tv last night.

[Bob ROARman!]

Vlad Guerrero on steroids or HGH? I'm sorry, that just...doesn't compute. That's like Superman taking steroids or HGH. Makes no sense. But Vlad is bigger than he used to be...but imho, he already had GOD GIVEN TALENT as a baseball player...if he did use then shame on him.He was already a HOF type player imho. That being said, still be a fan of him.



It really doesn't make any sense that Ramirez took them or that Bonds took them or that a lot of the higher profile players took them either. Those two, especially Bonds, were Hall Of Fame before they started using that crap.

And even if you're just a bench player your entire career, you still have a "god given talent" that only a comparatively handful of other people in the entire world have. You're one of the hundreds out of the couple billion people that have ever lived on this planet good enough to play professional baseball.

[Kingfish]

Vlad Guerrero on steroids or HGH? I'm sorry, that just...doesn't compute. That's like Superman taking steroids or HGH. Makes no sense. But Vlad is bigger than he used to be...but imho, he already had GOD GIVEN TALENT as a baseball player...if he did use then shame on him. He was already a HOF type player imho. That being said, still be a fan of him.

Believe me, I hope he didn't. I doubt there's a bigger Vlad fan on these boards than me. However there will clearly remain some doubts about him.

1. He's been breaking down the last couple of seasons. Similar to what has happened to Giambi and Ortiz, his body and skills seem to have fallen off fast. Now, this may just be related to all his years on the Montreal turf, or it could be something else in addition.

2. Face it, he comes from an incredibly poor area of the Dominican, where a large chunk of this culture seems to be coming from.

It'll definitely suck if Vlad's name is on that list, but if he did cheat, I won't treat him any differently than how I've responded to Manny and Ortiz.

[Kurosawa]

I don't give a crap if he hit some clutch homers once upon a time. He's a cheater, he's a liar, and he deserves nothing more than Manny, A-Rod, Bonds, and the rest of them. And, believe me, neither will Vlad Guerrero when and if he gets outed.

Ortiz was a nobody with a Ryan Klesko upside when he suddenly grew bigger and attained great power. He's the prime example of how roids can make a borderline major leaguer into a superstar.

I'm not sure about Vlad, but I'd bet anything Pojols is on roids. Look at his bdoy, especially his upper body, and knowing LaRussa's history with players who used PEDs makes it look suspicious.

And anyone who believed a word of that Ortiz press conference today is insanely naive.

[cyborg ninja 14]

2. Face it, he comes from an incredibly poor area of the Dominican, where a large chunk of this culture seems to be coming from.



Elephant in the room.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I like how everyone has their torch and pitchfock out condemning Ortiz as a lying and cheating *******. But, we have no information to confirm or deny it sadly. At least with A-Rod we knew what he had taken.

[cyborg ninja 14]

And instead of blasting Ortiz for being on some phantom drug list, get on Josh Hamilton for living it up.
http://deadspin.com/5332801/the-devil-is-still-in-josh-hamilton/gallery/
daaayum, check out the *****es!

[Kingfish]

I like how everyone has their torch and pitchfock out condemning Ortiz as a lying and cheating *******. But, we have no information to confirm or deny it sadly. At least with A-Rod we knew what he had taken.

Haven't believed a single one yet, why start now?

[BlackLantern]

Haven't believed a single one yet, why start now?

same here...im always amazed how some will just automatically grant 'benefit of the doubt'

[Darthphere]

I'm in the business of not really caring either way at this point.

Also, Josh Hamilton never did blow on that night. MLB drug tests that guy like 5 times a day.

[enterthemadness]

Ortiz was a nobody with a Ryan Klesko upside when he suddenly grew bigger and attained great power. He's the prime example of how roids can make a borderline major leaguer into a superstar.

I'm not sure about Vlad, but I'd bet anything Pojols is on roids. Look at his bdoy, especially his upper body, and knowing LaRussa's history with players who used PEDs makes it look suspicious.

And anyone who believed a word of that Ortiz press conference today is insanely naive.

Pujols on roids? :csad: but um, yeah, he already said you can believe in me. But he is very big...no doubt he's taking legal stuff...but you never know.

The only thing for sure is that Mark Kotsay's name ain't on that list. If it is :o oh man...he got ripped off on what he got. Reason I say that is casue his stats never were that big.

[Bob ROARman!]

Can we say no doubt to any hitter anymore? I think they are few and far in between. Really the only prolific home run hitters left from that era to now, Pujols, Vlad, Frank Thomas and Thome. Who would you say, if any, took PEDs? I severely doubt it was Thomas, I know he was very much for the testing, going as far as trying to get everyone on his team to decline getting tested so it would become mandatory.

Thome, a little more doubt, but he's always just been a big guy, kinda like Thomas in that regard. No huge peaks and valleys, other than the season he had back trouble, and he is on a gradual decline now.

Pujols and Vlad I honestly don't know enough about.

[enterthemadness]

How does a center fielder get ejected from a game? Phillies CF Shane Victorino just got ejected....what did he do? Flip off the HP ump?

[BlackLantern]

he was ejected for being a Phillie

[Dark Donnie]

How does a center fielder get ejected from a game? Phillies CF Shane Victorino just got ejected....what did he do? Flip off the HP ump?

That's what happens when you have mediocre umps working games. This guys strike zone has been all over the place.

BTW all Victorino did was raise his hands after a clear strike was called a ball. The previous inning on a sketchy third strike Howard clearly mouths some pretty bad things and nothing.

[enterthemadness]

That's what happens when you have mediocre umps working games. This guys strike zone has been all over the place.

BTW all Victorino did was raise his hands after a clear strike was called a ball. The previous inning on a sketchy third strike Howard clearly mouths some pretty bad things and nothing.

From reading the twitter comments on mlb.com gameday, those Phillies fans are laying it onto the ump. Can't wait to see highlights of this one tonight on espn.

Marlins up 9-1 over the Phils about to complete a sweep unless the Phillies comeback (and it can happen).

Marlins ahve a 7 game homestead starting tomorrow against the Astros and Rockies. Gonna be tough and key series.

[Kingfish]

Can we say no doubt to any hitter anymore? I think they are few and far in between. Really the only prolific home run hitters left from that era to now, Pujols, Vlad, Frank Thomas and Thome.

Griffey. I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed if his name is ever connected to this.

[Kurosawa]

Griffey. I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed if his name is ever connected to this.

Disappointed, yes. Surprised? I wouldn't be. NO player would surprise me, not Jeter, not Rivera, not Pedro...no one. Baseball is basically a very VERY corrupt sport and that's what you get when you have sleazy lawyers like Fehr and Weiner and used car salesmen like Selig running it. Baseball's corruption starts at the very top. It's the greatest game, so great that it continues despite how horrid it's leadership is.

[FaT_tONle]

Good sweep by the Fins. The will probably blow it as soon as next week though and fall eight games out. Division races have all been pretty tight thus far. Only team that seems to be running away with it are the Yankees.

[Bob ROARman!]

Griffey. I'd be surprised and extremely disappointed if his name is ever connected to this.

Yeash not sure how I could forget him. I'd be surprised too. It was more his swing than having some kind of superhuman strength and rippling muscles. His deterioation came from lack of conditioning while playing on what was basically cement in the old Kingdome. It was just a brutal surface to play on.

[cyborg ninja 14]

same here...im always amazed how some will just automatically grant 'benefit of the doubt'

Haven't believed a single one yet, why start now?

Wasn't the point. If someone tests positive, I at least want to know what I should hate them for doing.

[cyborg ninja 14]

And Jim Leyland doesn't think we're true baseball fans
http://www.freep.com/article/20090809/SPORTS02/90809019/1050/Leyland--Fans-don-t-care-about-steroids-issue

[Kingfish]

Spoken like Barry Bond's favorite manager.

[enterthemadness]

Good sweep by the Fins. The will probably blow it as soon as next week though and fall eight games out. Division races have all been pretty tight thus far. Only team that seems to be running away with it are the Yankees.

Indeed. Wish I could watch the games, why I am getting the MLB package next season if I have the money. Very least I see a couple games a week.

I wonder how those Nats will do. Playing like a MLB team now, 14-11 I read with their new manger so far. That team is hot.

[BlackLantern]

I look at it this way...the banned substance list for MLB has 86 substances, each player is personally responsible in making sure that anything they take is not on that list

[enterthemadness]

I look at it this way...the banned substance list for MLB has 86 substances, each player is personally responsible in making sure that anything they take is not on that list

:huh:. I know coke, weed, steroids, heroin, HGH is on there...that's 5...what else?

[BlackLantern]

Drugs of abuse

1. Cocaine
2. LSD
3. Marijuana
4. Opiates (e.g., heroin, codeine, morphine)
5. MDMA (“Ecstasy”)
6. GHB
7. Phencyclidine (“PCP”)

Steroids

1. Androstanediol
2. Androstanedione
3. Androstenediol
4. Androstenedione
5. Bolasterone
6. Boldenone
7. Calusterone
8. Clenbuterol
9. Clostebol
10. Dehydrochloromethyltestosterone
11. Desoxy-methyltestosterone
12. ∆1-dihydrotestosterone
13. 4-dihydrotestosterone
14. Drostanolone
15. Ethylestrenol
16. Fluoxymesterone
17. Formebolone
18. Furazabol
19. 13a-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one
20. 4-hydroxytestosterone
21. 4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone
22. Mestanolone
23. Mesterolone
24. Methandienone
25. Methandriol
26. Methenolone
27. Methyltestosterone
28. Mibolerone
29. 17a-methyl-∆1-dihydrotestosterone
30. Nandrolone
31. (nitric acid)
32. Norandrostenediol
33. Norandrostenedione
34. Norbolethone
35. Norclostebol
36. Norethandrolone
37. Oxandrolone
38. Oxymesterone
39. Oxymetholone
40. Stanozolol
41. Stenbolone
42. Testolactone
43. Testosterone
44. Tetrahydrogestrinone
45. Trenbolone
46. Any salt, ester or ether of a drug or substance listed above; and
47. Human Growth Hormone (aka HGH)

Stimulants

1. Amfepramone (Diethylproprion)
2. Amphetamine
3. Amphetaminil
4. Benzphetamine
5. Chloroamphetamine
6. Chlorphentermine
7. Clobenzorex
8. Clortermine
9. Dimethylamphetamine
10. Ephedrine (Ephedra)
11. Ethylamphetamine
12. Famprofazone
13. Fencamfamine
14. Fenethylline
15. Fenfluramine
16. Fenproporex
17. Furfenorex
18. Mefenorex
19. Mesocarb
20. Mephentermine
21. Methylphenidate
22. Modafinil
23. Pemoline
24. Phenpentermine
25. Phentermine
26. Prolintane
27. Phendimetrazine (Phenmetrazine)
28. Propylhexedrine
29. Pyrovalerone
30. Selegiline

[enterthemadness]

Wow...47 forms of steroids...30 stimulants...damn. Did not know that. Thanks.

[Spidey-Bat]

That's what happens when you have mediocre umps working games. This guys strike zone has been all over the place.

BTW all Victorino did was raise his hands after a clear strike was called a ball. The previous inning on a sketchy third strike Howard clearly mouths some pretty bad things and nothing.

I was at my grandma's today and had the game on when that happened. There was a flash at the top for thunderstorms so I didn't hear what the announcers were saying. It was an arrogant prick exerting his power to protect his fragile ego. Victorino handled it in the worst possible way and he's lucky Howard and Bako stopped him.

[Dark Donnie]

I was at my grandma's today and had the game on when that happened. There was a flash at the top for thunderstorms so I didn't hear what the announcers were saying. It was an arrogant prick exerting his power to protect his fragile ego. Victorino handled it in the worst possible way and he's lucky Howard and Bako stopped him.
I think the announcers were shocked it actually happened. The local guys said they've never seen that before.

I absolutely agree Victorino handled it terrible.

I think he was just in shock at the fact he was thrown out while in the field. If anything Howard should have been thrown out the inning before....he basically said **** You to the ump and got no reaction.

[Immortalfire]

Braves take 3 of 4 from the Dodgers :up:

[Darthphere]

That's what happens when you have mediocre umps working games. This guys strike zone has been all over the place.

BTW all Victorino did was raise his hands after a clear strike was called a ball. The previous inning on a sketchy third strike Howard clearly mouths some pretty bad things and nothing.

Dude, yes. The umps strikezone all series has been ****ing ridiculous.

[NewYorkSpider]

Red Sox/Yankees locked in another scorless battle. Has been a good pitching matchup between Lester/Pettitte.

[enterthemadness]

Dude, yes. The umps strikezone all series has been ****ing ridiculous.

Maybe the ump has a large strike zone to make up for something?:o

[cyborg ninja 14]

I look at it this way...the banned substance list for MLB has 86 substances, each player is personally responsible in making sure that anything they take is not on that list

How tedious would that be having to check something out of 86 substances every single time? lol

[Go Web Go!]

Marlins sweep the Phillies after getting swept by Washington...makes sense.

[Kingfish]

Red Sox looking worse and worse. Rangers are gonna tie them for the wildcard.

[ARROGANCE]

[quote=Immortalfire;17307915]Braves take 3 of 4 from the Dodgers :up:[

At least the Dodgers are still in first place

[Darthphere]

Marlins sweep the Phillies after getting swept by Washington...makes sense.

For the Marlins? Yeah. It's always like that. I hate to add more fuel to the hate Fredi fire, but this goes back on the manager. The Marlins really seem to lose focus when they face teams they should beat, i.e Nationals. The Nationals sweep was embarrassing, but the way they lost those games makes things worse. 2 of the 3 games, we just completely blew it. Apparently, Fredi went ****ing nuts in the clubhouse after that sweep. They probably just beat the Phillies so they didn't have to hear his **** anymore.

[enterthemadness]

For the Marlins? Yeah. It's always like that. I hate to add more fuel to the hate Fredi fire, but this goes back on the manager. The Marlins really seem to lose focus when they face teams they should beat, i.e Nationals. The Nationals sweep was embarrassing, but the way they lost those games makes things worse. 2 of the 3 games, we just completely blew it. Apparently, Fredi went ****ing nuts in the clubhouse after that sweep. They probably just beat the Phillies so they didn't have to hear his **** anymore.

I know washington has some good hitters...but Marlins should have swept them....don't blame Fredi for going nits at the team.

Now, take 3 outta 4 from Astros and 2 out of 3 from thos Rockies.

[Spidey-Bat]

My calf started hurting tonight. I wonder if being a Met fan has anything to do with it.

[Showtime]

Either that or your Tim Wakefield.

[The Riddler]

move over yanks/sox, it's time for giants v. dodgers, baby!

5.5 games back, time to make up some ground. :o

[cyborg ninja 14]

My calf started hurting tonight. I wonder if being a Met fan has anything to do with it.

Even thinking about the Mets gets you injured these days.

[Gamma Ray]

Man oh man, did that sweep feel good!!! I'm so pumped from the past 4 days. The Sux looked crushed!

Loved the Sux reactions after V-Mart hit his 2-run homer and then when Damon and Tex went back to back.

This is looking to be our year... And some of you thought we could only beat bad teams... Unless of course you consider the Sux a bad team, in which case, maybe you're right.

[Kingfish]

They still can't beat the Angels.

[Gamma Ray]

They still can't beat the Angels.


They beat them 2/6 times this season and they're playing them again in September.

[Kingfish]

And who was the only team that swept them during their hot streak? In fact, swept them without Hunter, Guerrero, or Rivera. The Angels are to the Yankees what the Red Sox are to the Angels.

[cyborg ninja 14]

For all you Wieters fans out there.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9357

[Gamma Ray]

And who was the only team that swept them during their hot streak? In fact, swept them without Hunter, Guerrero, or Rivera. The Angels are to the Yankees what the Red Sox are to the Angels.


We'll see. I'm not going to claim you're wrong, necessarily, but I think we're a bigger threat this time around.

[Christopher Nolan]

that was a great series. we dominated the red sox. we pitched incredible. our offense was incredible and even the fans were incredible. but still only regular season...

[BlackLantern]

How tedious would that be having to check something out of 86 substances every single time? lol

It's called personal responsibility...no one said it was exciting

[Soundwave]

Another nice series by the Rangers against Anahiem. They seem to have the Angels number this year. Also tied Boston for the wild card. It's kinda weird having the Rangers play meaningful games in August. Been a while since we had that luxury around these parts.

[Raiden]

Good to see Yanks sweeping the BoSox this past week, but I don't think the division belongs to Yankees yet; BoSox may seemed old and hitless right now, but if they get healthy later they will make a run for AL East. However, I do think this year the division belongs to NY Yankees.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Yankees just ran into the Red Sox at the right time. The Red Sox are still the better team at full strength. A real test for the Yankees is beating the Angels for once. They haven't won a series out in Anaheim since 2004 I believe. Let's see them get that monkey off their back.

[Erzengel]

That back 4 of their lineup is very shaky. They probably needed one more bigger bat and preferably one that doesn't offset the rest of the team like Martinez.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Pedro starts wednesday in Wrigley. Time to place your bets on his preformance!

I'm going with 5 innings, 4 ER, 3 BB, 4 Ks

[Nightmare]

move over yanks/sox, it's time for giants v. dodgers, baby!

5.5 games back, time to make up some ground. :o

The way we're playing right now, i wouldnt suprise me if you swept us. Hopefully the rivalry lights a fire under everyones ass. We're playing like ****

[Darthphere]

You know what I love about Yankee fans? When they get all excited about the prospect of winning the division. You have the ****ing highest payroll in baseball, they're supposed to ****ing win the division. It's ****ing hilarious to me.

[Darthphere]

I know washington has some good hitters...but Marlins should have swept them....don't blame Fredi for going nits at the team.

Now, take 3 outta 4 from Astros and 2 out of 3 from thos Rockies.

I'm not blaming Fredi for going nuts, I'm blaming him for not getting his team focused enough to at least win one game in the series. Fredi is the wrong manager for this type of young team.

[Spidey-Bat]

You know what I love about Yankee fans? When they get all excited about the prospect of winning the division. You have the ****ing highest payroll in baseball, they're supposed to ****ing win the division. It's ****ing hilarious to me.

None of the Yankee fans will look back on this weekend and be happy about it when they're knocked out of ALDS or ALCS. They'll all be pissed off, wanting Girardi and/or Cashman fired, and stomping their feet for Roy Halladay and Matt Holliday.

My friend put on his Facebook status: "Today is the hottest day of the year. Clearly symbolic of the Yankees." I replied "It's cold in October. Also symbolic of the Yankees."


In other news, the White Sox were the team that claimed Alex Rios off of waivers and the Blue Jays are letting them take him for nothing.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/white-sox-acquire-alex-rios.html

[Raiden]

The way we're playing right now, i wouldnt suprise me if you swept us. Hopefully the rivalry lights a fire under everyones ass. We're playing like ****

I think the Giants fans will be heckling Manny like crazy in this series, as a payback to what Dodgers did against Barry Bonds.

[cyborg ninja 14]

You know what I love about Yankee fans? When they get all excited about the prospect of winning the division. You have the ****ing highest payroll in baseball, they're supposed to ****ing win the division. It's ****ing hilarious to me.

Yankee fans have emotions like people too:(

[Raiden]

You know what I love about Yankee fans? When they get all excited about the prospect of winning the division. You have the ****ing highest payroll in baseball, they're supposed to ****ing win the division. It's ****ing hilarious to me.

Well, I became a fan of Yanks back in '88 when they were lousy, but had Don Mattingly and Dave Winfield, so for me I never take anything for granted, not even when Yanks won 4 WS in a row early 2000. If I had the power, I'd implement a salary cap like NFL just so everyone's on a level playing field so no fans can use the payroll as an excuse to bash another team's success, but I doubt it'd help teams that are poorly-run anyway, such as the Pittsburg Pirates. Btw, I don't think teams who have high payroll are expected to win their division every year; just ask NY Mets.

[Darthphere]

Well, I became a fan of Yanks back in '88 when they were lousy, but had Don Mattingly and Dave Winfield, so for me I never take anything for granted, not even when Yanks won 4 WS in a row early 2000. If I had the power, I'd implement a salary cap like NFL just so everyone's on a level playing field so no fans can use the payroll as an excuse to bash another team's success, but I doubt it'd help teams that are poorly-run anyway, such as the Pittsburg Pirates. Btw, I don't think teams who have high payroll are expected to win their division every year; just ask NY Mets.

That's a ridiculous statement on all levels. Let me ask you something, aren't you also a Lakers fan?

[Raiden]

That's a ridiculous statement on all levels. Let me ask you something, aren't you also a Lakers fan?

Yes, I live in Los Angeles, and I've been a Lakers fan for a very long time. I became a fan of Yankees back in 1988, when I was living in Brooklyn for those two years. After I moved back to L.A. (which I used to live before I moved to New York), I decided to stick with Yankees because I still like the team, so I didn't feel like I should become an Angels/Dodgers fan, although Angels are probably my 2nd favorite team now. For NFL, I like both Raiders (the first NFL team I like) and Jets, because they are from NY. Since I had live in both cities I think it's cool to root for their teams.

[Darthphere]

Yes, I live in Los Angeles, and I've been a Lakers fan for a very long time. I became a fan of Yankees back in 1988, when I was living in Brooklyn for those two years. After I moved back to L.A. (which I used to live before I moved to New York), I decided to stick with Yankees because I still like the team, so I didn't feel like I should become an Angels/Dodgers fan, although Angels are probably my 2nd favorite team now. For NFL, I like both Raiders (back when they were in LA) and Jets, because they are from NY. Since I had live in both cities I think it's cool to root for their teams.

Ok, I just find it interesting you would choose to root for the Yankees and Lakers considering their history of winning and such. But you being a Raiders fan voids everything I had thought of you.:csad:

[Spidey-Bat]

Btw, I don't think teams who have high payroll are expected to win their division every year; just ask NY Mets.

The Mets were expected to win the division in 2007, 2008, and at the very least make the playoffs this year.

[Raiden]

Ok, I just find it interesting you would choose to root for the Yankees and Lakers considering their history of winning and such. But you being a Raiders fan voids everything I had thought of you.:csad:

Well, when I started rooting for Yanks back in '88, Mets had just won a WS (in '86) so being a Mets fan was considered cool in Brooklyn, not Yanks. As for the Raiders, I had boycotted being a fan for quite some time, mainly because I was extremely angry at Al Davis for moving the team back to Oakland, although I think I'll start rooting for them again this coming season, but I don't expect them to be much improved from previous years.

[Kingfish]

In other news, the White Sox were the team that claimed Alex Rios off of waivers and the Blue Jays are letting them take him for nothing.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/08/white-sox-acquire-alex-rios.html

Blue Jays got a little lucky that they were able to clear out some of that payroll. Rios can be good, but he sure seems to be an underachiever.

What makes this really funny is when they were trying to trade Rios for a pitcher a couple seasons ago. They offered him to the Giants for Matt Cain. The Giants turned them down because they were more willing to trade them Tim Lincecum.

Poor Toronto.

[Go Web Go!]

What the hell are the Astros doing? Intentionally walking Ross Gload to get to Chris Coghlan then following that up with an intentional walk to Nick Johnson to get to Hanley Ramirez...in the same inning. Both players knocked in runs. Good job outta you, Houston.

[enterthemadness]

What the hell are the Astros doing? Intentionally walking Ross Gload to get to Chris Coghlan then following that up with an intentional walk to Nick Johnson to get to Hanley Ramirez...in the same inning. Both players knocked in runs. Good job outta you, Houston.


I guess Houston had a logic fail there.

[ARROGANCE]

Come on Dodgers sweep those giants

[Kingfish]

Vlad knocks out numbers 399 and 400 tonight. Congrats big guy.

[enterthemadness]

Marlins did good. Won 8-6. Scary 9th. Just keep on winning...keep taking series or sweeping them. Worst case...Marlins win 84 games second year in a row. While that would be no playoffs....better than under .500. I say 90 wins will win Wild Card....maybe.

I hate seeing big name players go....but just keep Cody and Josh Johnson. Uggla and Cantu...make a lot next year, so maybe Marlins can get some nice back end starting pitching for them?

If it were up to me, I keep Nick Johnson, Cantu, Josh Johnson. Trade Hermida and Uggla, and increase payroll to round 40/42 million. Then again, trade Johnson and move Cantu back to first, and bring up a big name minor league player in Gaby Sanchez. In any case, the Marlins probably won't increae payroll unless the team makes the playoffs or wins the World Series. CAN'T HAVE A FIRE SALE IF MARLINS MAKE PLAYOFFS. Gotta be smart here....can't have Cantu, Uggla, Nick Johnson, Cody Ross, Hermida, and Josh Johnson all comeback next year. Can probably only get 2 or 3 of those.

I read on marlinsbaseball.com payroll would be round 53 million next year if Marlins have the exact same team as they do now. Believe the paroll for this yr's team is 36?

[The Riddler]

Come on Dodgers sweep those giants

looking at the pitching matchups, the dogs will probably take 2 of 3.

[Kingfish]

I hate seeing big name players go....but just keep Cody and Josh Johnson. Uggla and Cantu...make a lot next year, so maybe Marlins can get some nice back end starting pitching for them?

If it were up to me, I keep Nick Johnson, Cantu, Josh Johnson. Trade Hermida and Uggla, and increase payroll to round 40/42 million. Then again, trade Johnson and move Cantu back to first, and bring up a big name minor league player in Gaby Sanchez. In any case, the Marlins probably won't increae payroll unless the team makes the playoffs or wins the World Series. CAN'T HAVE A FIRE SALE IF MARLINS MAKE PLAYOFFS. Gotta be smart here....can't have Cantu, Uggla, Nick Johnson, Cody Ross, Hermida, and Josh Johnson all comeback next year. Can probably only get 2 or 3 of those.

I read on marlinsbaseball.com payroll would be round 53 million next year if Marlins have the exact same team as they do now. Believe the paroll for this yr's team is 36?

Once again, Jeffrey Loria does not raise payroll. At all. He doesn't care if they made the playoffs or not. He doesn't need to thanks to revenue sharing. He intentionally keeps the payroll that low to get a big check, courtesy of the Yankees. Then he pockets that money instead of putting it into the team. Doesn't matter if anyone actually goes to see the games, that's how he turns a profit. He's the worst owner in Baseball, and he will gladly trade anyone he can before they make even the slightest bit of arbitration money. So don't get attached to ANYONE.

[Kurosawa]

You know what I love about Yankee fans? When they get all excited about the prospect of winning the division. You have the ****ing highest payroll in baseball, they're supposed to ****ing win the division. It's ****ing hilarious to me.

Yes, I'd much rather they just stick all the money they make in their pockets instead of investing it in the team and trying to win. Yay mediocrity!

If all it took was money, they'd never lose. All money does is allow them to screw up a little more.

[enterthemadness]

Once again, Jeffrey Loria does not raise payroll. At all. He doesn't care if they made the playoffs or not. He doesn't need to thanks to revenue sharing. He intentionally keeps the payroll that low to get a big check, courtesy of the Yankees. Then he pockets that money instead of putting it into the team. Doesn't matter if anyone actually goes to see the games, that's how he turns a profit. He's the worst owner in Baseball, and he will gladly trade anyone he can before they make even the slightest bit of arbitration money. So don't get attached to ANYONE.

:cmad: and I thought he changed by getting the MARLINS A NEW STADIUM!


THAT SOB LICKIN #$%^$%$%^$&$&^%*&&&*%^^( *(&(*)&()* BASTARD!:cmad:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Vlad knocks out numbers 399 and 400 tonight. Congrats big guy.

Saw #400 on MLB Network. Man, what a pitch he hit out.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Orel Hershiser said something werid tonight on the Monday ESPN broadcast

(Marcus Thames of Detroit hits a double off the Green Monster)
Orel: *paraphrase* "Thames is not only hot, but a hooker!":lmao:

He's of course referring to how much of a pull hitter or "hooking the ball" that Thames is and does, but still, haha.

[Spidey-Bat]

I believe the term is "pull hitter"......or gigalo

[cyborg ninja 14]

JP Ricchardi is trying to become the worst GM in baseball. Dayton Moore still has him beat. But, failing to trade Halladay at his peak value and just giving Alex Rios away is just werid yo. Granted, he was the one who gave Rios and Wells a bajillion dollars but still.

[rdh007]

My father-in-law is a die hard free-market conservative. He is also a die hard Tigers fan. He's constantly railing on about a salary cap and leveling the playing field. It's amazing what sports does to our logic.

[Go Web Go!]

:cmad: and I thought he changed by getting the MARLINS A NEW STADIUM!


THAT SOB LICKIN #$%^$%$%^$&$&^%*&&&*%^^( *(&(*)&()* BASTARD!:cmad:

You're going to let something someone wrote on a message board sway your opinion? :huh:

[BlackLantern]

Yankee fans have emotions like people too:(

stop your lies!!!!

:hehe:

[Erzengel]

Yes, I'd much rather they just stick all the money they make in their pockets instead of investing it in the team and trying to win. Yay mediocrity!

If all it took was money, they'd never lose. All money does is allow them to screw up a little more.

Well it works for Pittsburgh....oh wait.

[Darthphere]

Yes, I'd much rather they just stick all the money they make in their pockets instead of investing it in the team and trying to win. Yay mediocrity!

If all it took was money, they'd never lose. All money does is allow them to screw up a little more.

That's not the point at all. When you go out and get Cici, Burnett and Texeira in free agency and throw a **** load of money at them, yeah, you're supposed to win the ****ing division. It's that simple.

[Darthphere]

Marlins did good. Won 8-6. Scary 9th. Just keep on winning...keep taking series or sweeping them. Worst case...Marlins win 84 games second year in a row. While that would be no playoffs....better than under .500. I say 90 wins will win Wild Card....maybe.

I hate seeing big name players go....but just keep Cody and Josh Johnson. Uggla and Cantu...make a lot next year, so maybe Marlins can get some nice back end starting pitching for them?

If it were up to me, I keep Nick Johnson, Cantu, Josh Johnson. Trade Hermida and Uggla, and increase payroll to round 40/42 million. Then again, trade Johnson and move Cantu back to first, and bring up a big name minor league player in Gaby Sanchez. In any case, the Marlins probably won't increae payroll unless the team makes the playoffs or wins the World Series. CAN'T HAVE A FIRE SALE IF MARLINS MAKE PLAYOFFS. Gotta be smart here....can't have Cantu, Uggla, Nick Johnson, Cody Ross, Hermida, and Josh Johnson all comeback next year. Can probably only get 2 or 3 of those.

I read on marlinsbaseball.com payroll would be round 53 million next year if Marlins have the exact same team as they do now. Believe the paroll for this yr's team is 36?

Please stop. for the love of God, just ****ing stop it. There is so much wrong with this post.

[Spidey-Bat]

JP Ricchardi is trying to become the worst GM in baseball. Dayton Moore still has him beat. But, failing to trade Halladay at his peak value and just giving Alex Rios away is just werid yo. Granted, he was the one who gave Rios and Wells a bajillion dollars but still.

I'm surprised that they didn't even try to get someone the White Sox clearly don't want like Josh Fields.

[enterthemadness]

Please stop. for the love of God, just ****ing stop it. There is so much wrong with this post.

How? It actually makes sense.

The chances of Uggla, Cantu, Nick Johnson, Cody Ross, Hermida all being here next year is low. To keep the current team the payroll would be in the 50's. Marlins could probably get a good starting pitcher by trading Uggla or Cantu.

Marlins 2009 Payroll - 35,774,000
Marlins 2010 'Keep current team' Payroll $53,845,000


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/salaries?team=fla

http://www.marlinsbaseball.com/forums/topic/90204-2010-salary-estimates/

Ok, that guy doens't have Nick Johnson down, but Gaby and Cameron. So I'm guessing with Nick the payroll would be higher than 53 million.

[Darthphere]

Why the **** would you keep Cody Ross? Because you're a fan of the Cody chant? He's a nice player, but other than JJ and Hanley everyone on this team is replaceable.

If anything, you let Cody go because you have Coghlan.

[enterthemadness]

Why the **** would you keep Cody Ross? Because you're a fan of the Cody chant? He's a nice player, but other than JJ and Hanley everyone on this team is replaceable.

If anything, you let Cody go because you have Coghlan.

Firesale?

Ross can play the outfield. He has a good bat, albiet streaky one. Good defense, too. Him or Hermida will be gone next year, so Cameron Maybin can play center. Hermida is kinda a bust so far, so I choose Cody.

LF Coghlan.
CF Maybin
RF Ross.

Ross plays hard. I know I don't watch the games, but in the highlights he's always making great catches. Other fans talk about his D. Not only that, his bat is clearly better overall than Hermida. The bad thing is, Ross has more trade value than Hermida and (I think) makes around the same as Hermida does. Hermida is young and maybe needs to be with a different team to become better (1st rd draft pick and his numbers are so-so in his career)

If you were the GM, who would you try to keep this offseason? (no firesale moves, trying to contend like this year on a limited payroll)

I would trade Uggla for a back end starting pitcher.
Sign John Johnson long term.
Trade Hermida for something, maybe a pack of baseball cards.:cwink: joking.
Release or resign Nick Johnson.
Cantu...it's hard...with Uggla and Hermida gone, maybe Keep Cantu and Nick Johnson, but I dunno. What would you do with Cantu?

The more I think about it, I doubt Cantu will be with the Marlins by 2012, unless he is playing 1st base. Which means no Nick Johnson.

Sign Ricky Nolasco long term.
Resign Volstad.
Trade Lindstrom for something.

[FaT_tONle]

Marlins definitely need to have a fire sale if they plan on competing again in a couple of years. That's the only way they can be competitive. Trade everyone and rebuild to be competitive every 3-4 years or so. I would trade Uggla and/or Cantu for sure for a bullpen arm, maybe some prospects that can start once their current pitchers becomes FA. Nick Johnson can't stay healthy; get rid of him. Sign some better defensive players, or maybe trade for a big bat that is still young and on the cheap.

[Dark Donnie]

Why the **** would you keep Cody Ross? Because you're a fan of the Cody chant? He's a nice player, but other than JJ and Hanley everyone on this team is replaceable.
If anything, you let Cody go because you have Coghlan.

Basically....if your The Marlins your top priority is getting Johnson locked up.

The Marlins will let go/trade players like Ross, Uggla etc and pick up prospects if possible. They can move Coghlan back to 2nd and bring up Maybin, Stanton and Morrison to replace Ross and Coghlan's OF spots and Johnson at 1B.

That's a likely scenario...The only players The Marlins should focus on keeping are the starting pitching and Hanley...the rest are replaceable parts IMO.

[Darthphere]

Basically....if your The Marlins your top priority is getting Johnson locked up.

The Marlins will let go/trade players like Ross, Uggla etc and pick up prospects if possible. They can move Coghlan back to 2nd and bring up Maybin, Stanton and Morrison to replace Ross and Coghlan's OF spots and Johnson at 1B.

A Phillies fan knows more about the Marlins than enterthemadness.:o:o

Cody Ross will be playing for an American League team next season, I'd almost....GUARANTEE it.

[Dark Donnie]

A Phillies fan knows more about the Marlins than enterthemadness.:o:o

Cody Ross will be playing for an American League team next season, I'd almost....GUARANTEE it.

:cwink:

I began following prospects the last few years, NL East in general.... probably after hearing all the trade rumors in past years. Marlins have alot of good prospects they can plug in.

Cost efficent players under team control is perfect for The Marlins. Bullpen should be something they look at the most in the offseason, maybe another bat, but that's all they really need IMO.

[Spidey-Bat]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/White-Sox-GM-ticketed-fined-56-for-jaywalking-;_ylt=Ag9vyNM7hvImXwnc4HZ7FJ6FCLcF?urn=mlb,182055

[enterthemadness]

Marlins definitely need to have a fire sale if they plan on competing again in a couple of years. That's the only way they can be competitive. Trade everyone and rebuild to be competitive every 3-4 years or so. I would trade Uggla and/or Cantu for sure for a bullpen arm, maybe some prospects that can start once their current pitchers becomes FA. Nick Johnson can't stay healthy; get rid of him. Sign some better defensive players, or maybe trade for a big bat that is still young and on the cheap.

Ugh. The pains of being a low budget team. Still, I wanna get the MLB Package so I can see the Marlins play next year.

Right Darthsphere, I pay attention to the big team, not minor leagues. I'm guessing Stanton...is the Marlins future 1st baseman? Gaby Sanchez 3rd? Cameron Maybin I know is CF.

If the Marlins can keep it up and make the playoffs (I think they can) then having a fire sale will be a big dent into the fanbase. I do know that in 2003, they won the World Series but by 2006 they started a lot of rookies, right? I just hope the Marlins don't become the Pirates. Pirates can't even draw in a new beautiful looking stadium cause of poor FO moves (fire sales).

Of Course, if most sports fans weren't bandwagon fans and went to the games, maybe the Pirates and Marlins would be able to keep the same team year after year?

[Dark Donnie]

Ugh. The pains of being a low budget team. Still, I wanna get the MLB Package so I can see the Marlins play next year.

Right Darthsphere, I pay attention to the big team, not minor leagues. I'm guessing Stanton...is the Marlins future 1st baseman? Gaby Sanchez 3rd? Cameron Maybin I know is CF.

If the Marlins can keep it up and make the playoffs (I think they can) then having a fire sale will be a big dent into the fanbase. I do know that in 2003, they won the World Series but by 2006 they started a lot of rookies, right? I just hope the Marlins don't become the Pirates. Pirates can't even draw in a new beautiful looking stadium cause of poor FO moves (fire sales).

Of Course, if most sports fans weren't bandwagon fans and went to the games, maybe the Pirates and Marlins would be able to keep the same team year after year?

I believe Stanton is a OF and Morrison 1B...I may be wrong.

Pirates were just poorly run, there new GM seems to have somewhat of a clue.

[enterthemadness]

I believe Stanton is a OF and Morrison 1B...I may be wrong.

Pirates were just poorly run, there new GM seems to have somewhat of a clue.

Ah...I see. That would explain why some fans think Ross will be gone. So, safe to say Ross will be gone before 2012?

2012 OF...

LF Coghlan (yea, he can play second, I know)
CF Maybin
RF Stanton

I finally checked on the AAA team stats...Jai Miller RF....303, 12 HR's, 44 RBI. Will he be called up in Sept or start next year? Gaby is playing 1st base in AAA. Is he the Marlins future 3rd or 1st baseman?

Pirates having a firesale in the middle of the season is bad. Club moral is bad I read. That ballpark is ncie though I would like to see a game there.

Logan Morrison is playing 1st base in AA right now...

[Kingfish]

You seriously have to be the world's first diehard Cody Ross fanboy. There's really no other explanation.

[cyborg ninja 14]

What about Dan Uggla? or rather, his name is DAN UGGLA!

[cyborg ninja 14]

Double post. gay.

Kenny Williams got a ticket for jaywalking in Seattle. Stunning news.

[Excel]

Fight in Boston. Youk charged mound, gets Verlander ejected early (:up:) I have never seen Papi run that fast in all his days here, he got from on deck box to middle of pile in a heart beat.

[Excel]

Fight in Boston. Youk charged mound, gets Verlander ejected early (:up:) I have never seen Papi run that fast in all his days here, he got from on deck box to middle of pile in a heart beat.

[cyborg ninja 14]

What? tell us more. Details dammit.

[Dark Donnie]

Ah...I see. That would explain why some fans think Ross will be gone. So, safe to say Ross will be gone before 2012?

2012 OF...

LF Coghlan (yea, he can play second, I know)
CF Maybin
RF Stanton

I finally checked on the AAA team stats...Jai Miller RF....303, 12 HR's, 44 RBI. Will he be called up in Sept or start next year? Gaby is playing 1st base in AAA. Is he the Marlins future 3rd or 1st baseman?

Pirates having a firesale in the middle of the season is bad. Club moral is bad I read. That ballpark is ncie though I would like to see a game there.

Logan Morrison is playing 1st base in AA right now...

Baseball America's Mid Season Rankings:
Top 25 Prospects

1. Jason Heyward, of, Braves
2. Mike Stanton, of, Marlins
3. Jesus Montero, c, Yankees
4. Justin Smoak, 1b, Rangers
5. Madison Bumgarner, lhp, Giants
6. Buster Posey, c, Giants
7. Carlos Santana, c, Indians
8. Chris Tillman, rhp, Orioles
9. Brian Matusz, lhp, Orioles
10. Logan Morrison, 1b, Marlins
11. Freddie Freeman, 1b, Braves
12. Jarrod Parker, rhp, Diamondbacks
13. Neftali Feliz, rhp, Rangers
14. Alcides Escobar, ss, Brewers
15. Yonder Alonso, 1b, Reds
16. Wade Davis, rhp, Rays
17. Dominic Brown, of, Phillies
18. Desmond Jennings, of, Rays
19. Jason Castro, c, Astros
20. Tim Beckham, ss, Rays
21. Brett Wallace, 3b, Cardinals
22. Matt LaPorta, 1b/of, Indians
23. Michael Taylor, of, Phillies
24. Kyle Drabek, rhp, Phillies
25. Michael Saunders, of, Mariners

Ross might get moved this year if Stanton is ready. Cody Ross really isn't that good...not trying to be a dick or anything. If you can get something of value for him I would move him.

The Pirates, while giving up on this season and next are postioning themselves to be much better in 2 years. They've actually acquired some good talent recently through trades IMO.

[enterthemadness]

You seriously have to be the world's first diehard Cody Ross fanboy. There's really no other explanation.

I like him, but..don't know about die hard. Last I checked, that belongs to posters at marlinsbaseball.com

What about Dan Uggla? or rather, his name is DAN UGGLA!

Not worth his est 8 million next year or even his 5.3 million this year. Be hard to keep him, unless others are shipped away.

I heard that Volstad dedicated his performance to the pitchers in AAA/AA tonight. 'This is why I am a big league starting pitcher.'

4.2 innings, 8 hits, 6 runs, 6 earned, 3 walks, 2 K's, 4.71 ERA, 86 pitches. Lovely.

6-2 Astros heading into the 6th now.

[rdh007]

Fight in Boston. Youk charged mound, gets Verlander ejected early (:up:) I have never seen Papi run that fast in all his days here, he got from on deck box to middle of pile in a heart beat.

It was Porcello that got ejected. Though Youkilis could stand to take some anger management classes, and some tackling lessons from The Hooded One. Then Francona gets ejected arguing a call at second later in the inning. (Francona had a case, but should've known the umps were now on high alert) Sox might be a little jacked out of shape after spending the weekend getting shelled in the Bronx. They've got no reason to be (they'll end up wild card at worst) and it speaks ill of the organization.

[The Riddler]

why is rich aurillia still on the giants roster?

un-effin-believable.

why is winn still playing? he hasn't hit a home run since april...

why is nate schierholtz not playing? apparently we don't need a .300 hitter in our sorry lineup!?!

bruce bochy needs to be fired right now.

[The Riddler]

It was Porcello that got ejected. Though Youkilis could stand to take some anger management classes, and some tackling lessons from The Hooded One. Then Francona gets ejected arguing a call at second later in the inning. (Francona had a case, but should've known the umps were now on high alert) Sox might be a little jacked out of shape after spending the weekend getting shelled in the Bronx. They've got no reason to be (they'll end up wild card at worst) and it speaks ill of the organization.

ahha porcello owned youkilis.

[Kingfish]

Youkilis is actually pretty lucky that it wasn't a bigger pitcher or a veteran who knew how to handle a fight. He left himself wide open and could have wound up seriously hurt. Even a stringbean like Porcello was more than capable of taking him down.

Plus, Youkilis threw his helmet at him. What a little *****.

[Dark Donnie]

Brad Lidge is terrible

[enterthemadness]

Hermida thrown out at home in the 10th. To the 11th they go and storms are heading my way. 8-8.

[enterthemadness]

What about Dan Uggla? or rather, his name is DAN UGGLA!

UGGLA! BALL GAME! 9-8 Marlins on Uggla's single with 2 outs and bases loaded in the 11th.

60-53.

Finally does something good with RISP.

[Go Web Go!]

5 in a row for the Marlins. They need to keep it up. Now's not the time to fall flat after a streak like they've been known to do.

[Excel]

Youk is such a *****. Hes good but hes such a damn cry baby, I hate it. If your gonna do that, atelast tackle him. Dont throw your helmet and miss and then get owned.

[NewYorkSpider]

To give the Marlins and their fans some hope. Every 6 years.

1997
2003
2009?


Coming true?

[FaT_tONle]

By that logic, Red Sox last Championship should have occured sometime in the late 21st century. Marlins are going nowhere this year. I guess playoffs would be a huge accomplishment to keep things in perspective, but they will be dominated in the playoffs.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Youk is crazy. ******* is gonna lose me some fantasy value for a few games.

[The Riddler]

oh my god...the giants crap the bed.

geezus, this is gross.

thanks to the pirates for beating the rockies, though.

lincecum tomorrow...thank god.

[Spidey-Bat]

It's such ******** that Porcello was ejected. What is he supposed to do? Let Youkilis tackle him?

[NewYorkSpider]

By that logic, Red Sox last Championship should have occured sometime in the late 21st century. Marlins are going nowhere this year. I guess playoffs would be a huge accomplishment to keep things in perspective, but they will be dominated in the playoffs.

The Marlins have a better team than you think. I see them staying in the wild card race down the stretch. I think the Braves are taking the East. They're playing extremely well right now.

[FaT_tONle]

The Marlins have a better team than you think. I see them staying in the wild card race down the stretch. I think the Braves are taking the East. They're playing extremely well right now.

You can't win with a bullpen where your closer falls of the mound during his follow through and when your offense decides to show up maybe 2-3 times a week. Maybe if their starters basically throw complete games in October they'll have a chance. Their defense is pretty awful as well. And didn't you also say the Giants would win the division a week back? When did all these teams that are more than 5 games back in their divisions all of a sudden convince you they had this amazing run in them?

[cyborg ninja 14]

It's such ******** that Porcello was ejected. What is he supposed to do? Let Youkilis tackle him?

Yeah, ejecting someone who cleary wanted no part of a fight is retarded:huh:

[NewYorkSpider]

You can't win with a bullpen where your closer falls of the mound during his follow through and when your offense decides to show up maybe 2-3 times a week.Maybe if their starters basically throw complete games in October they'll have a chance. Their defense is pretty awful as well.

The Marlins are only 3.5 games back from being the 2nd best team in the NL. They seem to be doing something right.

And didn't you also say the Giants would win the division a week back? When did all these teams that are more than 5 games back in their divisions all of a sudden convince you they had this amazing run in them?

I had the Giants winning the West before the season started. I still think they'll win the divison.

[Darthphere]

It's such ******** that Porcello was ejected. What is he supposed to do? Let Youkilis tackle him?

He was probably ejected for throwing at V-Mart and missing, and finally pegging Youk. I doubt he gets more than a 2-3 game suspension. Youk ****ed his team over however.

[enterthemadness]

Marlins have what it takes to make the playoffs. Atlanta scares me. Philly...Cliff Lee and now Pedro? We'll see, all three are good.

If the Marlins do make the playoffs (I think they can, be tough, but I believe in them)....obviously... it still be hard to keep the current team and there's some good young talent ready to come up next year. Keep Cody Ross and keep either Nick Johnson or Jorge Cantu.

Trade Dan Uggla, Hermida, Lindstrom, and course either Nick Johnson or Jorge Cantu.

Marlins keep Ross, but move him to LF or RF. Bring up Maybin for CF and Jai Miller or Logan Morrison for the other OF position. Oh ****, forgot about Stanton. Hmmmm...well, Gaby is a IF, think at 3B or 1B. This is where the club has to decide on Cantu or Nick Johnson. What you do not what to do is bring up four or 5 rookies to start in the starting lineup. Screams firesale and we know how Marlins fans react to those....by not going to the games. In any case, it looks bad on the team by doing that after making the playoffs.

In the end, playoffs or not trades are gonna happen, but the Marlins need to try adn keep some of the curren starting line up.

Trade Uggla (move Coughlan to 2B)
Trade Cantu (Bring up Gaby for 3B)
Trade Hermida (Brin up Logan Morrison or Jai Miller for RF/LF)
Move Cody Ross to LF/RF and bring up Cameron Maybin for CF
Keep Nick Johnson at 1B, possible call up Stanton as back up 1B/Pinch hitter.
Do something with Ross Gload. Like him, but why pay him 2.6 million next year to be a back up/pinch hitter?
Try and sign Josh Johnson, Ricky Nolasco, and Chris Volstad long term. Yes, JJ is ASAP, but Nolasco is def not far behind him. Volstad is so-so this year, but he can still fix things.

[Spidey-Bat]

He was probably ejected for throwing at V-Mart and missing, and finally pegging Youk. I doubt he gets more than a 2-3 game suspension. Youk ****ed his team over however.

If Porcello is suspended, it'd have to be for 5 or 6 days to affect him.

[Kingfish]

Youk is such a *****. Hes good but hes such a damn cry baby, I hate it. If your gonna do that, atelast tackle him. Dont throw your helmet and miss and then get owned.

Seriously? I half expected a "***** or no ***** Youk is still da man!" out of you...

[cyborg ninja 14]

I think Porcello was ejected for being a ***** and not wanting to fight.

[Spidey-Bat]

Seriously? I half expected a "***** or no ***** Youk is still da man!" out of you...

Youkilis isn't a clutch hitter and he didn't use steroids.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Man, don't be bashing Youklutchilis.

[Kingfish]

Youkilis isn't a clutch hitter and he didn't use steroids.

Nor did he quit on his team to get out of being payed 20 million bucks.

...

Excel, you're an odd duck.

[cyborg ninja 14]

In other news, I saw footage of Pujols during his rookie season. I don't want to be a witch hunter. But, Albert has packed on some pounds of muscle since then. I don't want to suggest that it might be atributed to anything other then hard work and determination everyday buuuuuuut. you never know.

[cyborg ninja 14]

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/36448819-f9d9-4911-9141-7a23dec8ff89.jpg

Look at Porcello! "***** Imma keel you!:cmad:"

[Kurosawa]

That's not the point at all. When you go out and get Cici, Burnett and Texeira in free agency and throw a **** load of money at them, yeah, you're supposed to win the ****ing division. It's that simple.

So what? Either teams want to win and commit resources to it, or they're the Pirates. What's wrong with a team trying to win? Signing high priced Free Agents is not guaranteed to work, and in fact it hasn't worked for the Yankees at all-the 2000 championship team was before they went wild with FA acquisitions.

The Yankees have money, so that's what they try to use to build a team-although they are trying to develop players as well. Other teams that don't have (or won't spend) money do it in other ways.

Who really disappoints me is the Twins-their owners are worth much more than the Steinbrenners, yet they don't spend money. If they let Mauer go, I will be disgusted.

Unless the Yankees sign him, of course. :oldrazz:

[cyborg ninja 14]

So what? Either teams want to win and commit resources to it, or they're the Pirates. What's wrong with a team trying to win? It's never guaranteed to work, and in fact it hasn't worked for the Yankees at all-the 2000 championship team was before they went wild with FA acquisitions.

The Yankees have money, so that's what they try to use to build a team-although they are trying to develop players as well. Other teams that don't have (or won't spend) money do it in other ways.

Who really disappoints me is the Twins-their owners are worth much more than the Steinbrenners, yet they don't spend money. If they let Mauer go, I will be disgusted.

Unless the Yankees sign him, of course. :oldrazz:

Allow me to enlighten you with the words of a Mr. Herm Edwards

"You PLAY to WIN the GAME!:cmad:"

[enterthemadness]

http://a.espncdn.com/media/apphoto/36448819-f9d9-4911-9141-7a23dec8ff89.jpg

Look at Porcello! "***** Imma keel you!:cmad:"

1st the pitcher hits him in the back with a pitch.
Then when it looked like he get his ass kicked, he pulls out a take down adn we get this awesome pic.

:up:PorcelloWin

[Kingfish]

Youkilis isn't gonna hear the end of this one for quite a while either. Getting schooled by a kid who can't even legally drink yet...

[BlackLantern]

it's a donnybrook!!!! who was it that was complaining about no fights a couple weeks ago

[Bob ROARman!]

It wasn't a complaint, it was logic. It makes no sense. Porcello beaned Youklis and then took him down, Red Sox won. Mission Accomplished? No. It's get you no closer to winning, at anything, ever. And that's the only thing that matters: Did you win the game? It's not hockey. First off it doesn't make players "try harder" because that's really not the way it works in baseball and secondly, if that's what it takes to get players to actually play seriously or care, they aren't that good a team in the first place. Case in point the Detroit Tigers.

[BlackLantern]

I don't think "that's what it takes" but it might give an added bit of motivation....it's not like anyone is advocating fights every game, but they do happen....players get beaned, messages are sent, people get heated, then overreact...it happens

[Bob ROARman!]

Yeah, great motivation. In the midst of a division race and you being one of their top pitchers, bean the guy in the 2ND INNING, get into a fight, get yourself ejected and turn it over to your ****** bullpen which then gives up 6 runs. Yeah that sure worked out great. And that's fine if they happen, I know they are going to happen. But each and every time it does, you're only hurting yourself, no matter who tackled who or got the best of the fight. It's stupid, each and every time. It doesn't help in the least. Again, it's not hockey.

[rdh007]

if that's what it takes to get players to actually play seriously or care, they aren't that good a team in the first place.
I quite agree. The Red Sox jumpiness during this series (Francona, the "adult", gets ejected in the same inning, did he not think the umps might be on high alert?) and the general chip on their shoulder after the drubbing the Yanks gave them speaks ill of their organization. They're acting like they've got to get into fights, get managers ejected, and play trashy ball just to get back into a division race they've never been out of. The sky is not falling, Sox, quit acting like it is.

[Bob ROARman!]

That and why risk a suspension in a bench clearing brawl? I know it's usually the "hold me back! hold me back!" routine, as it was in that game, but once in a while you get some idiot throwing punches and you better hope it's not one of the players you depend on, especially given the circumstances both teams are in. It's ridiculous.

I mean, I can see how it once maybe had an impact on the game and it was important somewhat, but in this day and age where if you throw inside too much you may get a warning, depending on the ump, **** it. Don't do stupid ********. That goes for beaning guys on purpose, and for guys who think they got hit on purpose and charged the mound like Youklis did. It's not going to help you get any closer to your goal. It's the same thing when sports writers say stupid things like "Oh Pinella better get ejected from a game, he better throw a fit soon to get this team out of their funk!" Stupid, meatball sports fan thinking.

[BlackLantern]

I mean, I can see how it once maybe had an impact on the game and it was important somewhat, but in this day and age where if you throw inside too much you may get a warning, depending on the ump, **** it. Don't do stupid ********. It's not going to help.

well like I said before, it's all an issue of escalation....a batter gets hit, then when that team comes up, they hit somebody and 98 percent of the time it ends at that....and sometimes you get Pedro Martinez throwing Don Zimmer to the ground, bullfighter style

[Bob ROARman!]

It could have been by accident, like Porcello's seemed to be. But now you make something more of it and that's when you not only start to cause problems for yourself, you're causing problems for the rest of team if you're going charge like an idiot and start a fight. You're trying to make the playoffs, stop with this ignorance and just take your damn base.

[Erzengel]

Listening to ESPN radio yesterday, rumors of a possible Ricco Co-GMing next year with the Mets?

[Dark Donnie]

I think Porcello was ejected for being a ***** and not wanting to fight.

Yeah he didn't want to fight but he did flipped Youk like a *****.

[Erzengel]

Also bets on how long Martinez is going to last tonight? :huh: I say 2 - 3 solid innings before he gives up 3 runs.

[Dark Donnie]

Also bets on how long Martinez is going to last tonight? :huh: I say 2 - 3 solid innings before he gives up 3 runs.

My guess is 4-5 innings giving up 3 runs.

[Spidey-Bat]

well like I said before, it's all an issue of escalation....a batter gets hit, then when that team comes up, they hit somebody and 98 percent of the time it ends at that....and sometimes you get Pedro Martinez throwing Don Zimmer to the ground, bullfighter style
Don Zimmer was charging at him. He deserved to be thrown to the ground for acting like an idiot.

[Dark Donnie]

Pedro grabbing Zimmer by his bald head was hilarious....as was Big Papi's reaction.

[BlackLantern]

Don Zimmer was charging at him. He deserved to be thrown to the ground for acting like an idiot.

I agree...you step out on the field in that situation you are fair game

[Go Web Go!]

Youkilis isn't gonna hear the end of this one for quite a while either. Getting schooled by a kid who can't even legally drink yet...

Of course, ESPN declared Youkilis the winner:

Youkilis led off the second inning and was hit in the back with the first pitch. He dropped his bat and ran toward Porcello, throwing his batting helmet at the pitcher -- and missing -- before wrapping him up and bringing him to the ground.

:whatever:

[FaT_tONle]

Porcello was running his ass off. Of course Youk is going to fall when he has all that momentum. Porcello basically gave way for Youk to run by him and then he simply turned him into the ground. Pitchers need to charge back once the batter starts his run toward the mound, not drift back. Unless the batter is a 6'5 juicer and you are a 5'11, scrawny pitcher. Then run your ass off.

[Darthphere]

So what? Either teams want to win and commit resources to it, or they're the Pirates. What's wrong with a team trying to win? Signing high priced Free Agents is not guaranteed to work, and in fact it hasn't worked for the Yankees at all-the 2000 championship team was before they went wild with FA acquisitions.

The Yankees have money, so that's what they try to use to build a team-although they are trying to develop players as well. Other teams that don't have (or won't spend) money do it in other ways.

Who really disappoints me is the Twins-their owners are worth much more than the Steinbrenners, yet they don't spend money. If they let Mauer go, I will be disgusted.

Unless the Yankees sign him, of course. :oldrazz:

You're missing the point. Go back from the beginning of this thread and see how many Yankee fans would post bragging. Not many. Once they got the lead in the division, all of a sudden Yankee fan posts multiplied. Bragging about being in the lead, yeah ok, your team is supposed to be in first place. You're being particularly difficult for no reason.

[Erzengel]

Can't you say that about every team in every sport? I'm sure if the Marlins surpasses Philly, I'm sure more Marlins' fans would start to appear.

[Darthphere]

Can't you say that about every team in every sport? I'm sure if the Marlins surpasses Philly, I'm sure more Marlins' fans would start to appear.

I doubt it.:csad::csad::csad:

[BlackLantern]

I doubt it.:csad::csad::csad:

I highly doubt it...even when the Mets were performing well last season, there are only like 3 Mets fans in this thread

[Go Web Go!]

Can't you say that about every team in every sport? I'm sure if the Marlins surpasses Philly, I'm sure more Marlins' fans would start to appear.

That's not even the case at the stadium. Chances are it ain't happening here either.

[cyborg ninja 14]

So do the Marlins people call Land Shark Stadium 'The Shark'?

[Go Web Go!]

I think for the most part people still call it Joe Robbie Stadium.

[Darthphere]

I call it Pro Player still.

[Go Web Go!]

I call it Pro Player still.

I don't call the stadium Pro Player. People call me Pro Player. :o

[Darthphere]

No.

[Spidey-Bat]

I call it Dolphin Stadium :confused:

[Darthphere]

I wonder what the new Marlins stadium is going to be called.

Sedano's Stadium?

Navarro Ballpark?

Bongo's Stadium?

:csad:

[Kurosawa]

You're missing the point. Go back from the beginning of this thread and see how many Yankee fans would post bragging. Not many. Once they got the lead in the division, all of a sudden Yankee fan posts multiplied. Bragging about being in the lead, yeah ok, your team is supposed to be in first place. You're being particularly difficult for no reason.

Well, I'm not bragging. I'm glad they're playing well but you don't win divisions or anything else in August.

And no, if spending the most money automatically meant being in first place then then Mets should be in first in the NL East, and they are a horrorshow. All spending money means is the team is trying and investing. No results are ever assured.

[Spidey-Bat]

You're missing the point. Go back from the beginning of this thread and see how many Yankee fans would post bragging. Not many. Once they got the lead in the division, all of a sudden Yankee fan posts multiplied. Bragging about being in the lead, yeah ok, your team is supposed to be in first place. You're being particularly difficult for no reason.

That what most Yankee fans do. They hide until the weather clears up and they make sure you all know the Yankees are the best team.

And no, if spending the most money automatically meant being in first place then then Mets should be in first in the NL East, and they are a horrorshow. All spending money means is the team is trying and investing. No results are ever assured.

Almost 40% of the Mets payroll is on the DL. Yeah, they have the 2nd highest payroll but the team currently on the field isn't what the front office invested $149M in.

[Erzengel]

That what most Yankee fans do. They hide until the weather clears up and they make sure you all know the Yankees are the best team.

I'm not a braggart. :o Except in regards to myself. :)


Almost 40% of the Mets payroll is on the DL. Yeah, they have the 2nd highest payroll but the team currently on the field isn't what the front office invested $149M in.
But their team shouldn't be getting beat by the Nationals, Padres, etc. It's almost like some of them are giving up.

[Go Web Go!]

I wonder what the new Marlins stadium is going to be called.

Sedano's Stadium?

Navarro Ballpark?

Bongo's Stadium?

:csad:

Say Hello to My Little Field?

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm not a braggart. :o Except in regards to myself. :)
I said most, not all. I'm not talking about nationwide, not specifically here.


But their team shouldn't be getting beat by the Nationals, Padres, etc. It's almost like some of them are giving up.

I agree. But my point is that saying the Mets should be making the playoffs b/c of their payroll isn't accurate b/c 40% of it has been out since May.

[Kingfish]

Of course, ESPN declared Youkilis the winner

Nobody except ESPN could arrive at that conclusion.

Seriously, Youkilis was in a dead run. Had Porcello wanted to, he could have done a lot worse to him. It was an incredibly dumb way to charge.

[Go Web Go!]

The whole throwing of the helmet was a pretty ***** ass move as well.

[Darthphere]

It's not in Youk's nature to charge the mound, hence why he had no clue what to do once he did it.

On the other Porcello needs to stop with this lie that he didn't throw at him intentionally.

[Kurosawa]

That what most Yankee fans do. They hide until the weather clears up and they make sure you all know the Yankees are the best team.



Almost 40% of the Mets payroll is on the DL. Yeah, they have the 2nd highest payroll but the team currently on the field isn't what the front office invested $149M in.

And that's exactly what I mean. The Mets spent a ton of money but have had horrible luck. So things happen, players get injured or underproduce...and NY teams always overpay anyway. I'd want more money to put up with the NYC media and pressure not to mention the higher cost of living there.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Don't you hate when your team accumulates a lot of baserunners but can barely score? D-Backs are doing that today. Oliver Perez the human BB has given up 4 hits and walked 5, yet AZ has scored 1 run:cmad:

Wherever Spidey-Bat is pulling the strings on his puppet Perez, you're dead to me. DEAD.

[Spidey-Bat]

And that's exactly what I mean. The Mets spent a ton of money but have had horrible luck. So things happen, players get injured or underproduce...and NY teams always overpay anyway. I'd want more money to put up with the NYC media and pressure not to mention the higher cost of living there.

But nothing has gone wrong for the Yankees this year. They should be leading their division with their payroll and the big moves they made in the offseason.

[enterthemadness]

That's not even the case at the stadium. Chances are it ain't happening here either.

Well, at least people watch the games on tv in Florida. Drew over 3 million on FSN Florida/Sun sports last season.

[enterthemadness]

I wonder what the new Marlins stadium is going to be called.

Sedano's Stadium?

Navarro Ballpark?

Bongo's Stadium?

:csad:

Right now, I believe it's Miami Stadium. Not sure though.

[Dark Donnie]

Giants got robbed

[Go Web Go!]

Well, at least people watch the games on tv in Florida. Drew over 3 million on FSN Florida/Sun sports last season.

That they do. Surprisingly.

[The Apocalypse]

But nothing has gone wrong for the Yankees this year. They should be leading their division with their payroll and the big moves they made in the offseason.

And speaking of the Yanks. I finally got to go to a game this season. 350 dollar seats but I went for free. I've never been so close to the field before and it was an awesome experience. They played like crap today but they got the job done. :up:

[The Riddler]

4 blown calls at first base throughout the series all against the giants.

man the giants have been playing really poorly. lucky to have gotten away with a win today. too bad lincecum didn't get a deserved win.

now an off day and a trip to new york for 4 games. hopefully the mets don't wake up against us; or maybe if the giants could get more than 2 runs...

[NewYorkSpider]

Cubs are getting pounded by the Phillies. Pedro looks real good.


Does anyone think it was unfair that Porcello got a 5 game suspension. I understand that it's 5 games and it won't affect the Tigers much since he's a pitcher, but he really did nothing wrong. What's he supposed to do, let Youks tackle him. If he threw a punch, then it would be a different story.

[Darthphere]

Cubs are getting pounded by the Phillies. Pedro looks real good.


Does anyone think it was unfair that Porcello got a 5 game suspension. I understand that it's 5 games and it won't affect the Tigers much since he's a pitcher, but he really did nothing wrong. What's he supposed to do, let Youks tackle him. If he threw a punch, then it would be a different story.

He threw at a guy. He got suspended for intentionally hitting someone. Why aren't people getting this?:huh:

[NewYorkSpider]

He threw at a guy. He got suspended for intentionally hitting someone. Why aren't people getting this?:huh:

How many times have pitchers threw at batters and have not gotten suspended? The only reason he was suspended is because Youkilis charged the mound.

[Darthphere]

How many times have pitchers threw at batters and have not gotten suspended? The only reason he was suspended is because Youkilis charged the mound.

Not really. Beckett got a similar suspension for the same thing, as have others.:huh::huh::huh:

[Erzengel]

I was like most people wanting Pedro to fail because I felt bad for Moyer.

[Erzengel]

I was watching the Yankee game on the computer and Gaudin's picture still had him with the goatee. Yet I knew the Yankee rule of everyone having to get a haircut and a shave and watching the encore, wouldn't you know it...it's shaved. He will start on Sunday against the Mariners.

[NewYorkSpider]

Not really. Beckett got a similar suspension for the same thing, as have others.:huh::huh::huh:

Cabrera got hit earlier in the game, the Porecello returned the favor. That in any case would have just been a warning for both teams. (Unless the umpire warned them before). I honestly don't think they were warned since Porcello hit Youkilis on purpose. If he had just taken his base, both teams would've have been warned and the game would've went on. Since he charged the mound, he was ejected and suspended for 5 games.

[Darthphere]

Cabrera got hit earlier in the game, the Porecello returned the favor. That in any case would have just been a warning for both teams. (Unless the umpire warned them before). I honestly don't think they were warned since Porcello hit Youkilis on purpose. If he had just taken his base, both teams would've have been warned and the game would've went on. Since he charged the mound, he was ejected and suspended for 5 games.

You're assuming because the ump didn't issue warnings that the league can't suspend him? The fact is, you're being an apologist for Porcello. He threw INTENTIONALLY at Youkilis, thus making him the antagonist in this situation. You want to make the argument that if Youk just walked to first he wouldn't have been suspended. You can't make that assumption. You also have to look at it this way. If he hadn't thrown at him INTENTIONALLY, there would be no reason to charge the mound. Again, Youk was reacting, Porcello was the antagonist in this case.

[Spidey-Bat]

I was hoping Pedro would get shelled only so I wouldn't have to hear people here ***** and moan about the Mets not signing him.

[The Riddler]

I was hoping Pedro would get shelled only so I wouldn't have to hear people here ***** and moan about the Mets not signing him.

don't worry.

i think pedro is gonna get hit eventually; if not tonight then soon.

[Darthphere]

Damn, some guy threw a beer at Victorino on a pop fly. He made the catch though. Guy got kicked out and looked like a *****.

[Dark Donnie]

Anyone see that fan hit Victorino with a beer?

[NewYorkSpider]

You're assuming because the ump didn't issue warnings that the league can't suspend him?

In this situation, I don't think they should have. Any time a player gets hit intentionally and takes his base, both sides are issued with a warning. If Youkilis had taken this base, then no suspension would've been given out.

The fact is, you're being an apologist for Porcello. He threw INTENTIONALLY at Youkilis, thus making him the antagonist in this situation.

I've seen a lot of players throw at people intentionally. The teams are then issued a warning, not a suspension.


You want to make the argument that if Youk just walked to first he wouldn't have been suspended. You can't make that assumption.

You also can't make the assumption that Porcello was throwing at Youkilis on purpose. He most likely was, but there's no way of knowing that. You only assume he was.

You also have to look at it this way. If he hadn't thrown at him INTENTIONALLY, there would be no reason to charge the mound. Again, Youk was reacting, Porcello was the antagonist in this case.

Again, there's no way of knowing if the hit was intentional. So if I want to get a pitcher suspended, then all I have to do is charge the mound when I get hit?

[ARROGANCE]

Dodgers took 2 out of 3 against those stinky giants :up:

[Darthphere]

In this situation, I don't think they should have. Any time a player gets hit intentionally and takes his base, both sides are issued with a warning. If Youkilis had taken this base, then no suspension would've been given out.



I've seen a lot of players throw at people intentionally. The teams are then issued a warning, not a suspension.




You also can't make the assumption that Porcello was throwing at Youkilis on purpose. He most likely was, but there's no way of knowing that. You only assume he was.



Again, there's no way of knowing if the hit was intentional. So if I want to get a pitcher suspended, then all I have to do is charge the mound when I get hit?

At this point, I have to think you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Of course Porcello threw at Youk intentionally, he went inside on V-Mart the previous at bat as well. A blind monkey can see that. And no, you don't have to charge the mound to get a pitcher suspended. Again, Beckett got a 6 game suspension for throwing at a guy, and he's not alone. Freaking Burke Badenhop was suspended for 3 games for throwing at the O-Dog. MLB got it right IMO in this case. Youk gets suspended and Porcello doesn't miss a start anyway. In this case, Youk and the Red Sox are the ones getting screwed here.

[NewYorkSpider]

At this point, I have to think you're arguing for the sake of arguing. Of course Porcello threw at Youk intentionally, he went inside on V-Mart the previous at bat as well. A blind monkey can see that. And no, you don't have to charge the mound to get a pitcher suspended. Again, Beckett got a 6 game suspension for throwing at a guy, and he's not alone. Freaking Burke Badenhop was suspended for 3 games for throwing at the O-Dog. MLB got it right IMO in this case. Youk gets suspended and Porcello doesn't miss a start anyway. In this case, Youk and the Red Sox are the ones getting screwed here.

I also want to point out Monday's game between Detroit/Boston. Cabrera was hit by a pitch in the top of the 4th and Detroit returned the favor to guess who...Youkilis. How come Edwin Jackson wasn't suspended for that? Later on in the game, Inge was hit again by Fu-Te Ni (some pitcher from Taiwan). How come he wasn't suspended. This whole altercation had to with Youkilis charging the mound. I seriously disagree with MLB on this one.

[Darthphere]

I also want to point out Monday's game between Detroit/Boston. Cabrera was hit by a pitch in the top of the 4th and Detroit returned the favor to guess who...Youkilis. How come Edwin Jackson wasn't suspended for that? Later on in the game, Cabrera was hit again by Fu-Te Ni (some pitcher from Taiwan). How come he wasn't suspended. This whole altercation had to with Youkilis charging the mound. I seriously disagree with MLB on this one.

Let me put it this way, you're walking down the street talking to some guy and he pushes you, you feel that's ****ed up and you push him back, and he comes swinging at you and you guys start a fight, who goes to jail? Both of you do. That simple. Later on you may get off on a self defense excuse but you're both going to pay the piper.

And again, it's a show suspension because Porcello isn't going to miss a start, on top of that he's appealing it and probably will get it reduced to 2-3 games. Just goes to show you, that New York bias strikes again. I'd love to see what you would say if we substitute Youk for a Yankee.

[enterthemadness]

Is that a football score I see in Miami? 14-6 Astros bottom of the ninth and 1 out.

This game should be closer than it is.

[enterthemadness]

Would the Marlins go after John Smotz?

[Darthphere]

Would the Marlins go after John Smotz?

Not with that contract.

[Dark Donnie]

Well he refused assignment so he has to be traded or released soon I believe.

[NewYorkSpider]

And again, it's a show suspension because Porcello isn't going to miss a start, on top of that he's appealing it and probably will get it reduced to 2-3 games. Just goes to show you, that New York bias strikes again. I'd love to see what you would say if we substitute Youk for a Yankee.

So now this is turning into me being biased? :whatever: I've actually said great things about the Red Sox organazation on here. It's because I'm a Yankee fan that people think this. Unbelievable.

[Kingfish]

It's umpire discretion to decide if a pitcher is throwing intentionally at a batter, and MLB bases suspensions on umpire reports. Remember, John Lackey got thrown out on the second pitch of a game (with no warning) because the ump thought he was intentionally throwing at Kinsler (he wasn't, and therefore received no suspension).

Porcello did deserve a suspension. The two teams were clearly playing war with each other from the night before and the umps were on alert from the start. He likely would have been tossed and suspended even if Youk had just strolled to first. That's why Youk is an idiot.

[enterthemadness]

Not with that contract.

Boston can pay most of it. They did get Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell from the Marlins years ago.

:o even though the Marlins got H-Ram. Look at that batting avg. Like .350. Holy...

[Darthphere]

So now this is turning into me being biased? :whatever: I've actually said great things about the Red Sox organazation on here. It's because I'm a Yankee fan that people think this. Unbelievable.

Well yeah, I mean it's pretty plain and simple actually. I haven't seen anyone else come out and say that the suspension is unfair. I mean look at what you posted:

Does anyone think it was unfair that Porcello got a 5 game suspension. I understand that it's 5 games and it won't affect the Tigers much since he's a pitcher, but he really did nothing wrong. What's he supposed to do, let Youks tackle him. If he threw a punch, then it would be a different story.

You don't think throwing a 90 MPH baseball is just as bad as throwing a punch?

You know, what, I'll even concede your point that he's only getting suspended because Youk charged the mound. That's pretty fair to say if not entirely true. It still doesn't change the fact that Porcello was the aggressor in this case. If you don't hit Youk, he doesn't charge the mound. Simple as that.

[NewYorkSpider]

It's umpire discretion to decide if a pitcher is throwing intentionally at a batter, and MLB bases suspensions on umpire reports. Remember, John Lackey got thrown out on the second pitch of a game (with no warning) because the ump thought he was intentionally throwing at Kinsler (he wasn't, and therefore received no suspension).

Porcello did deserve a suspension. The two teams were clearly playing war with each other from the night before and the umps were on alert from the start. He likely would have been tossed and suspended even if Youk had just strolled to first. That's why Youk is an idiot.

The umpire should have gave both teams a warning after Cabrera was hit IMO. There were 3 batters hit in the previous night.