Official 2009 MLB Thread

[The Riddler]

That'll have to wait until 2015.

if sabathia wanted to sign with ny, he would have by now and i don't see any other team other than the yankees that can sign him.

sabathia wants to pitch for the giants, and i think he will.

i hope he does; it would give the giants arguably the best rotation in the entire league.

[Spidey-Bat]

CC wants to go to the Angels or Dodgers since they're competitive and also on the west coast.

No rotation with Barry Zito can be considered the best rotation in the league. And they won't sign CC until Zito goes away which won't happen.

[NewYorkSpider]

if sabathia wanted to sign with ny, he would have by now and i don't see any other team other than the yankees that can sign him.

sabathia wants to pitch for the giants, and i think he will.

i hope he does; it would give the giants arguably the best rotation in the entire league.





But they will still have the worst hitting in the league unless they sign someone who can hit. Giants aren't going to do **** without a top batter. Edgar Rentaria isn't going to be that player.

[Spidey-Bat]

There are the Cain-for-Fielder rumors but I haven't seen any of them this off-season.

[NewYorkSpider]

That wouldn't be a bad trade. The Brewers would be getting back another pitcher after losing Sabathia and the Giants would get the hitter that they need. The trade could benefit both teams.

[Nightmare]

Nah, I think he wants to pitch for the Dodgers. Not the giants.

[Kingfish]

Cardinals are getting Khalil Greene

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8888942/Reports:-Cards-acquire-shortstop-Greene-from-Padres

and the Giants pick up Edgar Renteria

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8888962/Source:-Giants,-Renteria-reach-2-year,-$18.5M-deal

[The Riddler]

CC wants to go to the Angels or Dodgers since they're competitive and also on the west coast.

No rotation with Barry Zito can be considered the best rotation in the league. And they won't sign CC until Zito goes away which won't happen.

sabathia wants to be with the giants. do you know how many sources have cited that he first and foremost wants to be a giant? he even reportedly said he isn't making any decision on the yankees' offer until he hears from the giants. http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2008/12/yankee_fans_fear_the_sf_giants.html

also, despite the stigma behind zito (which is warranted), look at his numbers in the second half of the season; they are pretty darned decent. not only that, but his numbers will see a huge improvement when he isn't pressured as much as our number one starter as he'll probably be pitching FOURTH in the rotation behind lincecum, sabathia and cain. i'll take zito as a 4th starter against any team, especially if he can return to form.

one last thing: what makes the dodgers more competitive than the giants? do you know how much of their team they've lost?

[ih8nyy]

i'll take zito as a 4th starter against any team.

Maybe if he was at the AAA level.

[The Riddler]

But they will still have the worst hitting in the league unless they sign someone who can hit. Giants aren't going to do **** without a top batter. Edgar Rentaria isn't going to be that player.

true, their offense will still suck. perhaps trading sanchez for cantu or dealing cain (if they sign cc) would help with their offensive woes.

[The Riddler]

Nah, I think he wants to pitch for the Dodgers. Not the giants.

cc sabathia evidently doesn't care about what you think.

right now it looks like the yankees, giants and maybe the angels are the top 3 likeliest places he'll end up.

[Nightmare]

Are you speaking for CC now?

Also, my post was more of a joke. Since apparently the Mccourt's plan on spending ziltch this offseason.

[ih8nyy]

Are you speaking for CC now?

Also, my post was more of a joke. Since apparently the Mccourt's plan on spending ziltch this offseason.

Correction they are spending ziltch on the Dodgers. They are spending plenty to build Little League Fields though.

[The Riddler]

Are you speaking for CC now?

Also, my post was more of a joke. Since apparently the Mccourt's plan on spending ziltch this offseason.
read the link i posted above. that or the numerous others that say he and his wife prefer sf. i'm going based off those reports.

i think the dodgers will end up with manny, but who knows about anything from the dodgers? they've been really quiet.

[ih8nyy]

CC is a catastrophic injury and or heart attack waiting to happen. No way that big body is gonna live up to a 6-8 year deal.

:ikyn

[The Riddler]

CC is a catastrophic injury and or heart attack waiting to happen. No way that big body is gonna live up to a 6-8 year deal.

:ikyn
the dude is just flat out fat.

he needs to lose some weight or something.

[ih8nyy]

the dude is just flat out fat.

he needs to lose some weight or something.

His arteries must be as clogged as the Lincoln Tunnel during rush hour.

[ih8nyy]

Oh wait. I mean he's just big boned.

[Captain Planet!]

Cardinals are getting Khalil Greene

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8888942/Reports:-Cards-acquire-shortstop-Greene-from-Padres

and the Giants pick up Edgar Renteria

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8888962/Source:-Giants,-Renteria-reach-2-year,-$18.5M-deal
Two over-priced sucky Shortstops I don't have to worry about the O's getting. :up:
CC is a catastrophic injury and or heart attack waiting to happen. No way that big body is gonna live up to a 6-8 year deal.

:ikyn
Agreed. He's pitched over 180 innings every year for his entire career, not to mention pitching on three days rest the last month of the season. Dude's shoulder is going to explode.

And he's almost 300 pounds.

[Dark Donnie]

Derek Lowe-S- Dodgers Dec. 4 - 10:24 am et


The Boston Globe reports that Derek Lowe has received offers from at least two teams, including the Phillies.
According to the newspaper, the second team is not the Red Sox or Yankees, who are scheduled to meet with Lowe's agent later this week.
Source: Boston Globe


He'd be perfect for The Phils

[Spidey-Bat]

The Phillies want Moyer over Lowe. The offer they gave to him is probably no where close to what he wants.

[Dark Donnie]

Well Moyer is holding out for two years and The Phillies seem unwilling to go to two years. With Burrell off the books I'm more then willing to bet they made a good offer. They've been in constant contact with him since FA began. I know they want Moyer back and he's the priority, but they don't seem ready to budge.

[Spidey-Bat]

But do they want Lowe for 4 or 5? He's going to cost a lot more per year than Moyer as well.

[Spidey-Bat]

EDIT: Double Post

[Dark Donnie]

But do they want Lowe for 4 or 5? He's going to cost a lot more per year than Moyer as well.

I read somewhere that Lowe wanted 4 Years....I personally doubt that The Phillies would go 4 but I like that there at least talking to players. I'm more concerned with our LF situation to be honest.

[cyborg ninja 14]

A four-year deal for Lowe is pushing it I think, although I'd rather sign him instead of Burnett if I were a GM.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Double Post.

So...how bout that Plaxico? That nutty character always getting himself into crazy situations. What a guy!

[Kingfish]

I wouldn't want Lowe for 4 years. Anyone remember when Boras was yapping about Lowe deserving a "Zito-Like" contract?

[Nightmare]

Isnt Boreass lookin for like 16 mill per for lowe?

[Kingfish]

You can be sure that it's some ridiculous sum for a 35 year old pitcher.

[jks]

Hall of fame class of 2013 has its first member

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3748249

[Nightmare]

Did maddux ever win a ring? 1 with the braves right?

[Spidey-Bat]

Yeah, they won in 1996.

[Captain Planet!]

Looks like it'll be a little harder for Mussina to get in now.

[Captain Planet!]

I read somewhere that Lowe wanted 4 Years....I personally doubt that The Phillies would go 4 but I like that there at least talking to players. I'm more concerned with our LF situation to be honest.
How about a Luke Scott for Jason Donald trade? :yay:

[Darren Daring]

Just Luke Scott? That seems fairly ridiculous.

[Captain Planet!]

Just Luke Scott? That seems fairly ridiculous.
Luke Scott + George Sherril for Jason Donald and another prospect?

That seems more than fair.

[Darren Daring]

Jason Donald is a fairly highly touted prospect, Luke Scott is a 30-year-old player who's not particularly good.

[Captain Planet!]

Jason Donald is a fairly highly touted prospect, Luke Scott is a 30-year-old player who's not particularly good.
Donald is blocked by Rollins and probably Utley, and his arm is questionable at 3B. Scott is not great, but he can hit HRs anywhere and is a heck of a lot better in the field than most people give him credit for, certainly better than Burrell in LF. I wouldn't expect a straight up Scott/Donald deal though.

[Spidey-Bat]

You wouldn't get Donaldson AND another prospect for Scott and Sherrill.

[Captain Planet!]

You wouldn't get Donaldson AND another prospect for Scott and Sherrill.
Not even a low A prospect?

Andy MacPhail as able to get Adam Jones, George Sherrill, Chris Tillman, Kam Mickolio and some other guy, I think his name was Butler, all for Erik Bedard.

Some may say the Mariners are just stupid, but I think he's capable of getting Donald and a lower level prostpect for Scott and Sherrill.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mariners were stupid. Getting Donaldson for Scott and Sherrill would be a good deal for the O's.

[Captain Planet!]

The Mariners were stupid. Getting Donaldson for Scott and Sherrill would be a good deal for the O's.
I'm not doubting they are, but its still hard to get that good of a trade no matter how stupid the other team is. We also pulled off the Tejada for Scott, Sarfate, Albers, Patton and Constanzo trade.... I just don't think its that far-fetched for a Scott/Sherrill/Whoever for Donald/Low A player trade.

[Spidey-Bat]

Ed Wade is REALLY stupid.

Just because the O's pulled off 2 good deals last off-season doesn't mean they'll always be able to get the better end of a trade.

I don't think that trade is realistic. O's would need to add an corner OF prospect.

[NewYorkSpider]

Hall of fame class of 2013 has its first member

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3748249

He should have had more wins if the Padres had an offense. I remember some games this season where he's pitched 6 shutout innings and the Padres scored no runs.

[Nightmare]

Edit.

[Nightmare]

A's Out Of Running For Furcal

By Tim Dierkes [December 5 at 11:53pm CST]
According to Ken Rosenthal, Rafael Furcal declined the A's contract proposal of four years in the $35-40MM range. The A's then told Furcal's agent Paul Kinzer they're moving on. Kinzer says the door is still open, but Rosenthal says the A's won't raise their offer. The A's were thought to be Furcal's most likely suitor after they wined and dined him in Oakland. Rosenthal ponders whether Furcal would be willing to play second base to expand his market.

The A's will pencil in Bobby Crosby for another year while moving on to free agent targets such as Randy Johnson, Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell, and Jason Giambi.

From MLBTradeRumors.com

Maybe this means the dodgers will be back in on furcal.

[jks]

He should have had more wins if the Padres had an offense. I remember some games this season where he's pitched 6 shutout innings and the Padres scored no runs.
Yeah, that weak team was no way for the best pitcher of the last 30 years to go out

[cyborg ninja 14]

A's Out Of Running For Furcal

By Tim Dierkes [December 5 at 11:53pm CST]
According to Ken Rosenthal, Rafael Furcal declined the A's contract proposal of four years in the $35-40MM range. The A's then told Furcal's agent Paul Kinzer they're moving on. Kinzer says the door is still open, but Rosenthal says the A's won't raise their offer. The A's were thought to be Furcal's most likely suitor after they wined and dined him in Oakland. Rosenthal ponders whether Furcal would be willing to play second base to expand his market.

The A's will pencil in Bobby Crosby for another year while moving on to free agent targets such as Randy Johnson, Adam Dunn, Pat Burrell, and Jason Giambi.

From MLBTradeRumors.com

Maybe this means the dodgers will be back in on furcal.

I can't imagine Furcal getting a big deal than the one he rejected from the A's.

[Captain Planet!]

He's delusional. He isn't worth more than 10-12 mil per year, especially considering his injuries.

[Kingfish]

Furcal was probably dumb to turn down that deal. His history speaks for itself.

Though I can't complain. I'd rather the A's have half a season of Crosby then half a season of Furcal.

[cyborg ninja 14]

Furcal was probably dumb to turn down that deal. His history speaks for itself.

Though I can't complain. I'd rather the A's have half a season of Crosby then half a season of Furcal.

I dunno, I tend to think that Furcal holds slightly more value then Crosby at this point.

[Kingfish]

I dunno, I tend to think that Furcal holds slightly more value then Crosby at this point.

Exactly. Which is why I would rather the A's have Crosby instead.

[Spidey-Bat]

It seems Furcal is the only one who thinks there is a large market for him.

[Darthphere]

The Marlins will give $1.25 and all the free peanuts he could want.

[Silver Knight]

Whats the latest on CC?

[Spidey-Bat]

Nothing

Here's more if you're interested
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/cc_sabathia/index.html

[Dark Donnie]

Looked like a Homer Baily for Jermaine Dye deal was almost done but....


8:51pm: Mark gonzales of the chicago tribune says "a source familiar with the talks" rejected the report below. The sox want more than just bailey. Gonzales' source adds that talks with the mets for bobby jenks fell apart over omar minaya's unwillingness to include bobby parnell.
-MLBTR.com

[cyborg ninja 14]

Exactly. Which is why I would rather the A's have Crosby instead.

The whole Angels fan thing escaped me for a bit there:o

[Kingfish]

Tigers pick up Gerald Laird from the Rangers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8910862/Source:-Tigers-acquire-catcher-Laird-from-Rangers

[cyborg ninja 14]

Tigers pick up Gerald Laird from the Rangers.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8910862/Source:-Tigers-acquire-catcher-Laird-from-Rangers

He's serviceable at best.

Anyway, Winter meetings begin tomorrow gentlemen. Look alive and keep your eye on the first of many ******** Buster Olney rumors.

[Vitality]

This Offseason seems dead compared to the past. As an Angel fan i am paranoid about this offseason. I really am. I just want everything to unfold already.

Cheers to you guys, hoping we'll get a bunch of good stuff to talk about during the meetings.

[Dark Donnie]

Cardinals making a serious run at Burnett

Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com reports the Cardinals are taking a serious run at A.J. Burnett.

The Burnett-to-St. Louis rumors have been floated since 2005, the last time he was a free agent. The Cardinals would likely have to outbid the Braves, who have offered a four-year, $60 million offer with a vesting option for a fifth. The Yankees, Red Sox and Orioles are also in the hunt. Dec. 8 - 9:20 am et
Source: FoXSports.com


Robinson Cano-2B-Yankees Dec. 8 - 1:13 pm et

The Dodgers and Yankees are reportedly discussing a Robinson Cano deal, with Matt Kemp potentially going the other way.

This has been in the rumor mill since the very end of the season, and it's still hard to tell how much stock to put into it. The Dodgers could use a long-term second baseman, and Cano for Kemp seems pretty even on paper. Still, with so much upside for both players involved, it might be tough for either team to pull the trigger. The current round of talks also include the possibility of Melky Cabrera going to the Dodgers and the Yankees getting some young pitching in return.
Source: FOXSports.com

[cyborg ninja 14]

Burnett under Dave Duncan would be interesting.

[Dark Donnie]

Delmon Young-OF-Twins Dec. 8 - 3:08 pm et

The Phillies have been asking around about Delmon Young, who is believed to have been made available by the Twins.

A deal built around Jason Donald would make a lot of sense for both teams. Donald is very close to being ready and could start at shortstop on Opening Day for the Twins. Minnesota would probably want an additional player in a deal, maybe a relief prospect (Joe Bisenius?).
Source: Philadelphia Daily News

[Spidey-Bat]

Delmon Young has a great arm, lot of power potential, but can't take a walk for his life.

[punishermax]

The Brewers have apparently upped their original offer to CC to 6 years and around 120 million, with the actual number being closer to 110 after deferred money. With an opt out clause with reports making out to be after three years but some sources claim it to be after two years.

I honestly think this makes the Brewers more of a threat to the Yankees offer.

CC also said to Ned Colletti he wouldn't mind being a Dodger, but the Dodgers don't have the money to sign him and the McCourts probably wouldn't spend that much if they had it.

As for the Angels, Giants and Red Sox: The Angels won't be a contender for him as they want Texiera, should Tex sign elsewhere, watch out though, Angels will come at him hard and fast but by that point it may be too late. The Red Sox won't sign him as they also want Tex, but they might send feelers to CC just to spite the Yanks. As for the Giants, they can't really offer much more than the Brewers, with most experts suggesting they go a lot lower and give more a "Let's see how much he really wants to play in Cali" contract. Besides pitching isn't really the Giants problem, it's the fact that they have no bats in their lineup and they need a hitter. And even if CC signs somewhere else, the Fielder/Cain trade isn't going to happen. Fielder is one year removed from a 50 HR season, he had a great last 1 1/2 months of the season, and Cain hasn't proved he can step up to type of potential most people know he has.

[Showtime]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2008/12/las-vegas--one.html

LAS VEGAS -- One team that is expected to engage the Angels in trade talks this week is the Boston Red Sox, who are looking for a potential replacement for veteran catcher Jason Varitek (a free agent who declined arbitration) and are in interested in both of the Angels' young catchers, Mike Napoli and Jeff Mathis.

The Red Sox have a surplus of relievers, but the chances for any deal hinge on what catcher the Red Sox want most and who they are willing to give up.

Napoli is clearly the more lethal offensive player -- he hit .273 with 20 homers and 49 RBIs in 78 games during an injury-plagued 2008 season, including two monster home runs in Game 3 of the American League division series against Boston in October -- but Mathis rates a slight edge defensively.

Most scouts believe Napoli has more trade value, but for the Angels to deal him, they would probably need Boston to return right-hander Justin Masterson, who is sort of to the Red Sox what Ervin Santana was to the Angels in 2005, an outstanding young pitcher who can start or be a shutdown late-inning reliever, as he was in the postseason for Boston in 2008.

The Angels could also ask for young right-hander Clay Buchholz, who threw a no-hitter in 2007 but bounced between triple-A and the big leagues during an erratic 2008.

The Red Sox would prefer to trade right-hander Manny Delcarmen, whose 94-mph sinking fastballs can be nasty at times but who hasn't shown the consistency to warrant a starting catcher in return.

--Mike DiGiovanna

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3755609

Maybe CC Sabathia does indeed want to work close to home.

Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark on Monday that he ran into the free agent on Sunday night in a hotel lobby and the left-hander told him that he wants to be a Dodger.

Although the New York Yankees and Milwaukee Brewers have made offers to the prize of the free-agent class, speculation continued that Sabathia would want to play near the home he is building in Southern California.

Colletti didn't rule out making a run at Sabathia, who along with Mark Teixeira are the two highest-priced free agents on the market.

"It's a possibility," Colletti said Monday. "It's an interesting dynamic with anybody who is long-term at a salary that's higher than most. When you're talking about a player who is long-term, it's going to change the dynamic of your team in some way."

Sabathia did meet with the Yankees on Sunday, and his representatives spoke with the Brewers on Monday.

According to a baseball man with knowledge of the meeting, Sabathia wanted to meet with the Yankees on Sunday because he's "trying to gather information" about the franchise and New York.

Sabathia and his agent, Greg Genske, met for about 2½ hours on Sunday with Yankees GM Brian Cashman and manager Joe Girardi. And the main focus of the conversation, the source said, was whether Sabathia wants to be a Yankee.

The Yankees' six-year, $140 million offer to Sabathia has been on the table now for nearly four weeks. Not only has Sabathia not said yes, he has been sending messages to the three interested West Coast teams -- the Dodgers, Giants and Angels -- that he would like to play in California.

But in his meeting with the Yankees, Sabathia did not indicate that his delay in signing has anything to do with a preference to play elsewhere, the source said. He's simply attempting to assemble as full a picture as possible before making a major decision. "He just wants to know what it's like to play in New York," the source said.

Brewers general manager Doug Melvin met with Sabathia's representatives for a half hour on Monday afternoon.

Melvin said that the team was still in the running for the left-hander.

"Until we're told we're no longer involved, I take it that we have a chance," Melvin said, according to the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "Teams can pull out, too. I don't know what else is out there. If they told us we weren't still in it, we'd move on."

Sources told the Chicago Tribune that the Brewers had added a sixth year to their initial proposal and that Melvin was considering adding an opt-out clause after three years.

SI.com took that one step further, saying the Brewers were considering an opt-out clause after only two years. That would make Sabathia a free agent again at age 30.

Melvin wouldn't comment on specifics of the deal.

Sabathia is scheduled to leave the winter meetings Monday night after huddling with the Boston Red Sox.

[Alex The Great]

I Don't want the Yankees to get C.C :csad:
Royals made a move today.....I don't know weather to say YAY or NAY

[Spidey-Bat]

I Don't want the Yankees to get C.C :csad:
Royals made a move today.....I don't know weather to say YAY or NAY

Meh?

[cyborg ninja 14]

Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark on Monday that he ran into the free agent on Sunday night in a hotel lobby and the left-hander told him that he wants to be a Dodger.

This seems like a load of garbage to me. Either Coletti is making that up, or Stark is making it up.

[Dark Donnie]

Probably trying to scare Manny

[Spidey-Bat]

I honestly think this makes the Brewers more of a threat to the Yankees offer.
I love it. Makes the Yankees look powerless since all they can do is keep offering more.

The more CC stalls, the more it's clear the Yankees aren't his preference.

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies jumping in on the Peavy trade talk as a third team...possibly getting Derosa and Marquis....

8:01pm: Scott Miller of CBSSports.com says Jason Marquis and Angel Guzman (among others) could end up with the Padres in the three-team deal. The Padres could get J.A. Happ and/or Chris Coste from the Phils. Miller adds that the Phils are known to have interest in Mark DeRosa.

MLBTRADERUMORS....Rosenthal is also reporting

[Spidey-Bat]

Why are the Phillies trying to help the Cubs get better?

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies want a 2B stop gap which is why there targetting Derosa. However a Derosa for Happ trade doesn't make much sense as Happ's value should be a little higher. I want no part of Marquis.

[Spidey-Bat]

Why aren't they aiming higher like Theroit or Fontenot? If you're going to help the Cubs, make it worth your while.

[Kingfish]

If the Phillies are purely looking for a temporary fill-in for Utley, why would they go through this complicated trade and make a major NL contender that much ridiculously better? Wouldn't it make more sense to sign a utility man as a free agent, then shift him to that role once Utley is back? Someone along the lines of Easley, Ozuna, or Loretta.

[Nightmare]

According to MLB.com's Ken Gurnick (http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/loretta_dodgers_agree_to_deal.html), the Dodgers agreed to terms with Mark Loretta on a one-year deal worth around $1.4MM tonight. He'll take his physical on Tuesday. Loretta was a Type B free agent, but the Astros did not offer him arbitration so there will be no draft pick compensation.

[Dark Donnie]

Why aren't they aiming higher like Theroit or Fontenot? If you're going to help the Cubs, make it worth your while.

I'd love for them to aim higher. They've already talked to Punto, and Felipe Lopez so I think they will probably look to sign someone instead but I could be wrong.


Here's the deal according to CBS:

Rumor (CBS SPORTS):
Cubs receive: Peavy
Padres receive: Marquis, Vitters, Hart

Padres trade Marquis to Phils for Happ


4.5 Million of Marquis salary would be picked up by Chicago

[The Riddler]

can sabathia please sign soon so the rest of free agency can commence? :huh:

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Mets move closer to signing K-Rod


Rodriguez
The New York Post believes the Mets and Francisco Rodriguez are close to agreeing to terms.
Agent Paul Kinzer reportedly told Joel Sherman, "I am more optimistic than I have ever been" about finalizing a deal with the Mets and that "we will know more in the next 24 hours, but so far everything has been positive." The deal isn't going to be for two years and an option, but it probably won't be for four guaranteed seasons, either. Three years and an option might be the right compromise. Dec. 9 - 2:16 am et
Source: New York Post

[Kingfish]

Was bound to happen. Wish you well, K-Rod, but frankly I can do without the number of nervous saves you provide year in and year out.

[Vitality]

Was bound to happen. Wish you well, K-Rod, but frankly I can do without the number of nervous saves you provide year in and year out.

:word:


I'm happy he got his money, he's a great closer but the whole "I need to give up three runners before getting three outs" thing gets old after a while. I wish him nothing but the best though.

It'll be interesting to see who the Angels target as far as a relief pitcher is concerned. I love the Masterson rumor but not at the expense of Napoli, so i dont see it happening.

[Kingfish]

Masterson would be a good arm to have in the pen, but no way they should trade Napoli for him. I probably wouldn't even trade Mathis for him. They shouldn't have major concerns about the bullpen. Shields can handle the closer role for the time being, with Arredondo and Oliver setting up. It would be nice to have a bounce back season from Speier, but it's hard to know what you're getting from him at this stage. Beyond that, Jepsen has shown a lot of talent.

Since the next catcher on their depth chart is Bobby Wilson, they really shouldn't trade either Napoli or Mathis. The only reason they would is if they want to sign Varitek, which would be a horrible idea.

[Dark Donnie]

Francisco Rodriguez-R-Angels Dec. 9 - 4:38 am et

SI.com's Jon Heyman expects the Mets and Francisco Rodriguez to agree to a three-year deal worth about $37 million.

K-Rod certainly would have had more earnings potential if he had elected for a one-year deal with the chance to go back on the market next winter. However, the difference between $12 million per year and $15 million per year has a lot more to do with status than any real world consequences. At least this deal is still bigger than the three-year, $34 million contract he turned down from the Angels a year ago.
Source: SI.com

[Spidey-Bat]

Was bound to happen. Wish you well, K-Rod, but frankly I can do without the number of nervous saves you provide year in and year out.

Psh, you don't even know what a nervous save is. Try having Armando Benitez, John Franco, Braden Looper, and Billy Wagner close games for your team.

[Darthphere]

I mean, for someone who just broke the saves record, how many nervous saves could the guy have?

[Erzengel]

Good for the Mets. :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

Now the Orioles might be in on the Peavy deal with the Cubs, Padres, and Phillies.

I'm guessing this is how it would end up:

Cubs get: Jake Peavy (SDP)
Padres get: Vitters (CHC), Hart (CHC), Olson (BAL)
Phillies get: Marquis (CHC), De Rosa (CHC)
Orioles get: Donaldson (PHI), Pie (CHC)

Pie is my own guess.

[Kingfish]

Psh, you don't even know what a nervous save is. Try having Armando Benitez, John Franco, Braden Looper, and Billy Wagner close games for your team.

Well, I guess you get to find out. The walks, the wild pitches, the gut-wrenching postseason homeruns. Hell, the missed throw backs from the catcher. K-Rod isn't exactly a stranger to any of these things.

I do find it cosmic though that the two most annoying celebratory players in the game wound up on the same team.

It does suck though that he only got 3 million more then the Angel's offer.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'll take my chances with K-Rod. He will be the best reliever the Mets have had since their late 80's teams.

The deal with the Mets will have more to it than just the 3 years and $35-37M. There will probably be a good amount of incentives and the 4th year option. I don't recall reading the Angels offering anything like that.

[Dark Donnie]

*edit

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets signed K-Rod. 3 years $37M. Enjoy the Mets' 25th pick, Kingfish.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/mets-close-to-s.html

[Nightmare]

Giants talk to Sabathia’s camp; Yanks rumored to be out

Posted by Andrew Baggarly on December 9th, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

It’s been confirmed to me that the Giants had discussions with CC Sabathia’s camp last night, and they expect to have face-to-face meetings with the left-hander in San Francisco after the winter meetings.

It sure must’ve have been a productive discussion, because word is that Sabathia has declined the Yankees’ six-year, $140 million offer. (I must stress that’s unconfirmed, but talk is spreading fast. If true, look for the Yanks to get hyper-aggressive on A.J. Burnett.)

[Captain Planet!]

Now the Orioles might be in on the Peavy deal with the Cubs, Padres, and Phillies.

I'm guessing this is how it would end up:

Cubs get: Jake Peavy (SDP)
Padres get: Vitters (CHC), Hart (CHC), Olson (BAL)
Phillies get: Marquis (CHC), De Rosa (CHC)
Orioles get: Donaldson (PHI), Pie (CHC)

Pie is my own guess.
A 4-way trade?

I don't want Pie. Donald, I do want (I don't think his name is Donaldson).

BTW, we have no need for Pie. Not only will we have 3 possible LFers in Scott, Montanez and Reimold, and we're trading Hernandez to Cincy for Freel and prospects. :woot:

[Spidey-Bat]

W/e the Phillies' SS prospect name is.

[Kingfish]

Mets signed K-Rod. 3 years $37M. Enjoy the Mets' 25th pick, Kingfish.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/mets-close-to-s.html

Between that and the sandwich pick, I'm ecstatic. Why don't they go ahead and sign Garland so I can enjoy another?

[Dark Donnie]

A 4-way trade?

I don't want Pie. Donald, I do want (I don't think his name is Donaldson).

BTW, we have no need for Pie. Not only will we have 3 possible LFers in Scott, Montanez and Reimold, and we're trading Hernandez to Cincy for Freel and prospects. :woot:

The Phillies would be retarded to trade Jason Donald for a average starter in Marquis and a utility guy in Derosa. Donald is purely speculative.

[Spidey-Bat]

You don't know how Amaro Jr will be. Everyone thought Bill Smith would be like Terry Ryan but he screwed up the Santana deal. Frank Wren is grossly overrated and nothing close to Schuerholz.

I think the Phillies will be smart and pull out or at least get Fontenot or Theriot.

[Dark Donnie]

You don't know how Amaro Jr will be. Everyone thought Bill Smith would be like Terry Ryan but he screwed up the Santana deal. Frank Wren is grossly overrated and nothing close to Schuerholz.

I think the Phillies will be smart and pull out or at least get Fontenot or Theriot.

Oh I agree Amaro Jr. is an unknown. Don't you think the deal makes little sense? Granted Donald isn't a can't miss top flight spec, but he's rising. The return is average at best for The Phils, plus like you said earlier it helps out The Cubs greatly.

[The Riddler]

Giants talk to Sabathia’s camp; Yanks rumored to be out

Posted by Andrew Baggarly on December 9th, 2008 at 1:18 pm |

It’s been confirmed to me that the Giants had discussions with CC Sabathia’s camp last night, and they expect to have face-to-face meetings with the left-hander in San Francisco after the winter meetings.

It sure must’ve have been a productive discussion, because word is that Sabathia has declined the Yankees’ six-year, $140 million offer. (I must stress that’s unconfirmed, but talk is spreading fast. If true, look for the Yanks to get hyper-aggressive on A.J. Burnett.)

i doubt sabathia declined the yankees yet, but it's looking more and more like he won't be a yankee judging by how long he's been waiting to sign.

it probably comes down to the brewers, giants, and still the yankees as most likely while maybe the angels or even red sox could jump in.

[Nightmare]

Yeah, a couple of other sources shot that down.

[Spidey-Bat]

Oh I agree Amaro Jr. is an unknown. Don't you think the deal makes little sense? Granted Donald isn't a can't miss top flight spec, but he's rising. The return is average at best for The Phils, plus like you said earlier it helps out The Cubs greatly.

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. It's hard to speculate on 4-team deals b/c of all the teams involved. Also, the Cubs do many moves I don't quite get (like trading for Kevin Gregg).

I just threw that idea together between classes. I didn't get a chance to look into the teams' farms.

[Raiden]

i doubt sabathia declined the yankees yet, but it's looking more and more like he won't be a yankee judging by how long he's been waiting to sign.

it probably comes down to the brewers, giants, and still the yankees as most likely while maybe the angels or even red sox could jump in.

After the debacle they had with Barry Zito, I'm surprised that Giants want to make another megadeal with a starter. Didn't seemed like they were afraid of the possibility of Zito II.

[cyborg ninja 14]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3758037

Indians made an offer to Wood. Not a bad risk at all.

[Showtime]

As I discussed before, the Red Sox are adding an alternate hat and making some uniform changes.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/3083344678_ea90da391e.jpg

[Caped Crusader]

Cc sabathia is a new york yankee!!

[Caped Crusader]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12102008/sports/yankees/yanks_close_in_on_sabathia_deal_143481.htm

[Dark Donnie]

ESPN says 7 Years 160 Mil :down:

[Spidey-Bat]

So, how many years until he blows out his knees?

[Dark Donnie]

So, how many years until he blows out his knees?

Over/Under is probably 2


Mark Teixeira-1B-Angels Dec. 10 - 9:05 am et

The Los Angeles Times reports that the Nationals "appear willing to offer eight years and $160 million" to Mark Teixeira.

That would surely blow any current offer out of the water, but it's just speculation at this point. The Red Sox, Orioles, Angels and Yankees are still very much in the hunt.
Source: Los Angeles Times

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm going to take the over with 3.5.

The Nationals are stupid. Their closer has no control so instead of going after Hoffman who would be a good veteran presence, they're trying to sign a 1B to a ridiculous contract when they are still at least 4 years away from winning.

[Dark Donnie]

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Yankees are close to signing Derek Lowe to a four-year deal worth between $68 and $72 million.
However, the Phillies are apparently still in the mix, which could keep the Yankees from announcing the additions of both Lowe and CC Sabathia on the same day. Adding both starters would presumably take the Yankees out of the running for A.J. Burnett despite the fact that they were said to be ready to top the Braves' $60 million offer to him as late as Tuesday night. Dec. 10 - 9:32 am et

-Rotoworld

[punishermax]

7 years/160 mil is a lot to turn down. Have fun being hated my the majority of the population CC, oh, and have fun being unappreciated by the Yank fans. Yes, I am goddamned bitter.

[Spidey-Bat]

Yankees aren't close to Derek Lowe. He's a Boras client; he won't sign until much later.

[Erzengel]

Nice addition to the Yankees. Can't wait to get tickets next year.

[Spidey-Bat]

If you can afford them.

I never responded to this reply:
sabathia wants to be with the giants. do you know how many sources have cited that he first and foremost wants to be a giant? he even reportedly said he isn't making any decision on the yankees' offer until he hears from the giants. http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2008/12/yankee_fans_fear_the_sf_giants.html
The Giants would have been dumb to sign CC. Just give that money to Lincecum.

also, despite the stigma behind zito (which is warranted), look at his numbers in the second half of the season; they are pretty darned decent. not only that, but his numbers will see a huge improvement when he isn't pressured as much as our number one starter as he'll probably be pitching FOURTH in the rotation behind lincecum, sabathia and cain. i'll take zito as a 4th starter against any team, especially if he can return to form.
He was atrocious in the first half, though. And is "decent" acceptable for a guy making $18M per year? Should a 4th starter make that kind of money? He's already been replaced by Lincecum as the ace and it didn't help him last year.

one last thing: what makes the dodgers more competitive than the giants? do you know how much of their team they've lost?
They still have good young players like Kemp, Ethier, Loney, and Martin. They're going to re-sign Blake. They have a very deep farm system as well. The Giants' prospects are still a few years away from being at the ML level.

[Silver Knight]

As I discussed before, the Red Sox are adding an alternate hat and making some uniform changes.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/3083344678_ea90da391e.jpgNice, any other teams getting updated unis/hats?

On another note CC my dude is a Yank! He got paid!! I hope he brings us a championship.

[Darthphere]

Awesome, now we can watch him choke in the playoffs on the big stage.

[ih8nyy]

Nice addition to the Yankees. Can't wait to get tickets next year.

Have fun with your one arm and one leg after getting those.

[ih8nyy]

Awesome, now we can watch him choke in the playoffs on the big stage.

NY all you can eat buffets have already been seen stocking up on food for his arrival.

[Poeman]

it was a pricey...but thats the price u pay for a ace who is reliable and is a lefty in this league.

NOW, LOWE will be a aweful deal if the yanks offer him 4yrs/ 60 mil...please go after sheets for 2-3 years and sign tex if you can yanks!

[ih8nyy]

As I discussed before, the Red Sox are adding an alternate hat and making some uniform changes.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3017/3083344678_ea90da391e.jpg

This still horrifies me. They better not be tinkering with the uni too much. Tinker with the roach red uni all you want. Take the names off the roads or something, but leave the Home Whites alone.

Although if they added the blue and white stripes back to the socks I'd be all for that.

[Showtime]

Nice addition to the Yankees. Can't wait to get tickets next year.

Huge signing by the Yankees, if they add Lowe that solidifies that rotation for the next couple years. Not sure about long term though.

They certainly have made a splash, and they need to with the Rays making some noise in the division now.

This still horrifies me. They better not be tinkering with the uni too much. Tinker with the roach red uni all you want. Take the names off the roads or something, but leave the Home Whites alone.

Although if they added the blue and white stripes back to the socks I'd be all for that.

I don't believe that is the exact hat, but it will be similar. They are going to unveil a new road uniform from what I am hearing.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/sox.jpg

[Showtime]

Nice, any other teams getting updated unis/hats?


Yes.

[Caped Crusader]

Have fun with your one arm and one leg after getting those.

NY all you can eat buffets have already been seen stocking up on food for his arrival.

jealously .. :whatever:

[Spidey-Bat]

CC WILL break down in 3-4 years. Pitchers who weigh 270 lbs don't have long, productive careers.

[ih8nyy]

jealously .. :whatever:

Jealous of what? Ridiculous seat prices? I have those in Boston. I was just making a comment on how much they shot up due to the new park.

As far as CC, they can have him. He's fat was my only observation. Have fun in Oct. when he and A-Rod can't come through on the big stage.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I'm going to take the over with 3.5.

The Nationals are stupid. Their closer has no control so instead of going after Hoffman who would be a good veteran presence, they're trying to sign a 1B to a ridiculous contract when they are still at least 4 years away from winning.
Isn't the whole pitch to Tex soley based on that he grew up in Maryland? I hope the Angels sign him.


CC WILL break down in 3-4 years. Pitchers who weigh 270 lbs don't have long, productive careers.
Oh Yankees, when will you learn?
:facepalm

[Kingfish]

Isn't it sad when a man appears to have wholly rejected a team based on principles of family and where he actually wants to play, then has another 20 million thrown at him and comes running back?

Oh, well, I guess I shouldn't be surprised. At least NY has added another postseason choke-artist.

[Nightmare]

Running back? I thought cashman flew out to CC's home in norcal to close the deal.

[ih8nyy]

Running back? I thought cashman flew out to CC's home in norcal to close the deal.

And they threw another year and 21 million at him.

One general manager I passed outside in the hallway said in regards to the Sabathia deal, "I'm sorry, if that's true, it's just crazy. Seven years for a pitcher?"

That's right. The Yankees have always had money to burn and have been burdened with big contracts that are eventually useless over time. But they are the Yankees. Sabathia is a terrific pitcher, perhaps the best in the game right now. He's lefthanded. Still, his big body worried every major suitor and others around the game even though he's been amazingly durable.

"As he gets older, he's not gonna get skinnier," said the GM.

source Nick Cafardo- boston.com

Gordon Edes from yahoo.com is also reporting that there is an opt out clause after the 3rd year of the contract.

[Belvedere]

Baseball, how I have missed you; my Cubs are going all the way this year, I can just feel it.

*cries*

[Dark Donnie]

Got this off another site...
A local tv interview with Jon Heyman discussed the Phillies.

A few bullet points:

-The Phillies dislike the fact that the Yankees have single handedly inflated the market. They are likely out of almost all free agent races, except Ben Sheets. The Phillies believe Sheets is a possibility at a 2/3 year deal with performance bonuses

- After Sheets, the Phillies look to play let's make a deal. It's Amaro's favorite game. He says the Phillies could be looking to deal Ryan Howard if it points them in the right direction for the future. He lists the Red Sox, Mariners, and Angels as possible suitors for the big man.

- Other names discussed as possible trade bait:
- Magglio Ordonez, Tim Redding, Tim Wakefield, Erik Bedard, Ryan Ludwick, Rick Ankiel, and Alex Rios

I agree completely about them inflating the market. A guy like Burnett is gonna get 80 Million from someone

[ih8nyy]

Got this off another site...


I agree completely about them inflating the market. A guy like Burnett is gonna get 80 Million from someone

60 Million for Lowe is nuts too.

How soon before MLB asks congress for a bail out?

[Excel]

Epstein wil top the nats offer.

and great job nyy, you paid 160 million for a playoff choke artist who sucked against the al last season. Anybody remember how cc was foing before he got traded to ml? When he was in the american league?

?

[Excel]

jealously .. :whatever:

Just like were so jealous you guys got arod and pavano over us? how many ws have you guys won with them? or giambi, sheffield, randy johnson, johnny damon, bobby abreu...sabathia n espec. lowe will more names to add to the list.

the yanks philosophy of getting in their prime/past it has been their downfall since losing to arizona.

[Nightmare]

Epstein wil top the nats offer.

and great job nyy, you paid 160 million for a playoff choke artist who sucked against the al last season.

:woot:

and, this is outrageous!

In a radio appearance on WFAN, via MetsBlog, Jon Heyman said that the Mets are interested in bringing back lefty Oliver Perez, but the two sides are "still far apart on the dollars." He went on to say that Perez and agent Scott Boras are seeking five years and around $70MM.

[Dodger]

How badly does CC want to play in NY? He had 140 mill on the table and the yanks added another year and another 20 mill and he has an opt out clause at the end of the 3rd year?

Shoot...I wouldn't want to play in that zoo either.

[ih8nyy]

:woot:

and, this is outrageous!

In a radio appearance on WFAN, via MetsBlog, Jon Heyman said that the Mets are interested in bringing back lefty Oliver Perez, but the two sides are "still far apart on the dollars." He went on to say that Perez and agent Scott Boras are seeking five years and around $70MM.

Oliver Perez for 5 years and 70 Million! Now that is High Comedy! Scott Boras is dilusional.

[Caped Crusader]

Too much Yankee hate.

[Spidey-Bat]

:woot:

and, this is outrageous!

In a radio appearance on WFAN, via MetsBlog, Jon Heyman said that the Mets are interested in bringing back lefty Oliver Perez, but the two sides are "still far apart on the dollars." He went on to say that Perez and agent Scott Boras are seeking five years and around $70MM.

Please no. I rather sign Jon Garland. He's cheaper and will put up just as good numbers without games where he walks 10 guys.

[Caped Crusader]

Yanks are very close to getting Burnett

[Spidey-Bat]

I hope they do. He is a flyball pitcher and ALWAYS injured. It's no coincidence that his best years have been in contract years.

[Caped Crusader]

Yankees players want Burnett, who overwhelmed them last season, as he has done all through his career against the Yankees and the Boston Red Sox. In 11 career starts against the Yankees, Burnett is 6-3 with a 2.43 E.R.A. In eight starts against Boston, he’s 5-0, with a 2.56 E.R.A.

[Spidey-Bat]

That's not a good reason to sign a guy.

[Dark Donnie]

Especially for 5 Years 91 Million

[Spidey-Bat]

I guess this means that they wanted to sign Lowe immediately but Boras wants to drag it out.

[Captain Planet!]

CC WILL break down in 3-4 years. Pitchers who weigh 270 lbs don't have long, productive careers.
I thought he was 290?

And the Orioles will actually have a SS next year. :up:

[Spidey-Bat]

It's Cesar Izturis :dry:

[Captain Planet!]

It's Cesar Izturis :dry:
It's better than the gaping hole in bewteen 3B and 2B we had last year. Hopfully we'll draft Grant Green this year.

[Kingfish]

Can't be much better.

[ih8nyy]

Yankees players want Burnett, who overwhelmed them last season, as he has done all through his career against the Yankees and the Boston Red Sox. In 11 career starts against the Yankees, Burnett is 6-3 with a 2.43 E.R.A. In eight starts against Boston, he’s 5-0, with a 2.56 E.R.A.

Yeah and Julio Lugo used to kill the Sox. Look were that's gotten em.

[ih8nyy]

I thought he was 290?

And the Orioles will actually have a SS next year. :up:

CC is built like a nose tackle.

[Kingfish]

Second heaviest pitcher in baseball history. Something tells me his pitching future isn't particularly bright.

[Spidey-Bat]

Who is heavier?

[FaT_tONle]

Got this off another site...


I agree completely about them inflating the market. A guy like Burnett is gonna get 80 Million from someone

I was hearing some concession prices at the new Yankess Stadium over the radio... a couple of decent size beers are 50$ plus... hotdogs are 20$ plus... I was sure the guy was exaggerating... sadly he sounded serious.

[Spidey-Bat]

Phillies acquired C Ronny Paulino from the Pirates for AAA C Jason Jaramillo

Why? Paulino is terrible. He doesn't even try when he's behind the plate.


Mets are working on a deal for Putz. It might involve the Indians. Players discussed were Putz, Endy Chavez, Mike Carp, Aaron Heilman, and Franklin Guiterrez.

[Kingfish]

Who is heavier?


By all accounts, Sabathia takes his conditioning seriously, but he’s already the second-heaviest pitcher in major-league history (reliever Jumbo Brown, back in the 1920s, checked in at 295 pounds). In other words, we’re working without a map when it comes to making long-term projections for Sabathia. He’s likely to continue being a frontline ace for the first half of the deal he winds up signing, but what becomes of him after is anyone’s guess. Considering the dollars and opportunity cost involved, that’s quite a risk to take.

That guy.

[Spidey-Bat]

Jumbo Brown. Wonder how he got that name

[NewYorkSpider]

Yankees players want Burnett, who overwhelmed them last season, as he has done all through his career against the Yankees and the Boston Red Sox. In 11 career starts against the Yankees, Burnett is 6-3 with a 2.43 E.R.A. In eight starts against Boston, he’s 5-0, with a 2.56 E.R.A.

He's injury prone, the Yankees don't need him.

[FaT_tONle]

He's injury prone, the Yankees don't need him.

Yankees need everyone... I still think they bring in two more guys... I'd project their rotation will be:

Sabathia
Lowe
Joba
Wang
Burnett/Sheets

[Spidey-Bat]

They'd be better off signing Lowe and Pettitte.

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies acquired C Ronny Paulino from the Pirates for AAA C Jason Jaramillo

Why? Paulino is terrible. He doesn't even try when he's behind the plate.


Mets are working on a deal for Putz. It might involve the Indians. Players discussed were Putz, Endy Chavez, Mike Carp, Aaron Heilman, and Franklin Guiterrez.

Rosenthal thinks Joe Smith is involved.

Tigers to acquire Edwin Jackson for Matt Joyce

[NewYorkSpider]

Nationals offer Teixera 8yr, $160M dollar contract.

Nationals (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2008/12/nationals_make_offer_to_teixei.html?nav=rss_blog)

[Kingfish]

The Mets want Putz to set-up? Seems like kind of a waste to trade for him now.

[Spidey-Bat]

The Mets want Putz to set-up? Seems like kind of a waste to trade for him now.

Please explain.

[FaT_tONle]

Putz will be a disaster as a Met... I mean he'll be effective in patches... but he won't stay healthy... no way... as a setup guy you could live with that... but this guy was the best closer in baseball a few years back... not exactly setup material.

[Spidey-Bat]

Could you edit that so it makes sense? How is being one of the best closers a few years ago not make him set up material? Before this year, Putz never pitched less than 60 innings or 54 games.

[Silver Knight]

Yes.
Care to share?

[Spidey-Bat]

Orioles replaced the "Orioles" on their away jerseys to "Baltimore". Also made the bird on their hat chubbier.

The Nationals changed their away uniforms and added a different alternate.

[FaT_tONle]

Could you edit that so it makes sense? How is being one of the best closers a few years ago not make him set up material? Before this year, Putz never pitched less than 60 innings or 54 games.

Not setup material in that the guy should be closing for someone out there... but he's good fall back material since we know someone will end up on the DL. I mean the Mets could afford him but I wouldn't pay a guy like that just to setup... I don't want the Mets to be the Yankees.

[Spidey-Bat]

It's official
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081210&content_id=3712317&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym&partnerId=rss_nym

Putz' contract is VERY reasonable. He's making $5M in 09 and $8.6M in 10 which is an option.

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies sign Chan Ho Park

Chan Ho Park-R-Dodgers Dec. 10 - 11:04 pm et

The Phillies are close to signing free agent Chan Ho Park, according to Yahoo! Sports.
Park did well when he was given a chance to start last season, and the Phillies could try to sell him as a rotation alternative. Still, putting him back into a park that punishes flyball pitchers probably won't work especially well. At least it should only be a one-year deal, maybe in the $2 million-$3 million range.
Per Yahoo

[Spidey-Bat]

Have fun with Chan Ho Park. Dodgers caught lightening in a bottle. Doubt he's going to repeat.

[FaT_tONle]

Mets still need to add more middle relief... at least two more notable names that I have heard of before. Otherwise these guys they brought in will get overworked by the end of the year. Either that or they need another starter that can eat innings.

[Showtime]

Care to share?

What he said above, plus a new hat is being added for the Nationals, not sure if it has as of yet. It is similar to what you saw for some of the teams over Fourth of a July. DC block letters with the american flag inside, all over navy hat.

SF BP, Texas Alternate, Twins BP, DC Alternate, Red Sox hat, and 3 new Orioles hats as has already been discussed. These are all hat changes.

[Caped Crusader]

New Red Sox alternate hat

http://www.newburycomics.com/images/bmh/BU/103-868398NEWBU.jpg

:oldrazz:

[Spidey-Bat]

Mets still need to add more middle relief... at least two more notable names that I have heard of before. Otherwise these guys they brought in will get overworked by the end of the year. Either that or they need another starter that can eat innings.

They will likely trade Schoenweis.

This puts them in the position where they can sign minor guys like Ayala (was decent for them until he got hit on the knee), Chad Cordero, Joe Beimel, etc. They don't need to target top flight talent now that they have the game set for the 8th and 9th.

[Dark Donnie]

Have fun with Chan Ho Park. Dodgers caught lightening in a bottle. Doubt he's going to repeat.

For the money he's low risk. Plus he could be a 5th or long relief.

[FaT_tONle]

They will likely trade Schoenweis.

This puts them in the position where they can sign minor guys like Ayala (was decent for them until he got hit on the knee), Chad Cordero, Joe Beimel, etc. They don't need to target top flight talent now that they have the game set for the 8th and 9th.

Oh please... if they can stay healthy maybe... who's to say we don't have the next pair of Gagne's on our hand?

[Spidey-Bat]

I don't mean they have the game over in the 8th and 9th. I mean they know who is going to pitch those innings.

There's no mystery or "closer/set up by committee" going into ST.

[Spidey-Bat]

Here's the full Putz trade

Mets get: RP J.J. Putz (SEA), RP Sean Green (SEA), and OF Jeremy Reed (SEA)
Indians get: IF Luiz Valbuena (SEA) and RP Joe Smith (NYM)
Mariners get: SP/RP Aaron Heilman (NYM), Endy Chavez (NYM), Mike Carp (NYM), P Maikel Cleto (NYM), OF Ezequiel Carrera (NYM), SP Jason Vargas (NYM), and OF Franklin Gutierrez (CLE).

[Dodger]

Nationals offer Teixera 8yr, $160M dollar contract.

Nationals (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/nationalsjournal/2008/12/nationals_make_offer_to_teixei.html?nav=rss_blog)

I'd be pissed if I was Teixera. He's great player and the only team to make him an offer is the Nationals? And an offer you can't refuse (lol) at that. Hahaaa...your going to Washington :p




Phillies sign Chan Ho Park


Per Yahoo

Good take him! It's was his wild pitch that set all the things in motion for us to lose Game 4 in the NLCS. Adios Chango Park.

[Caped Crusader]

Hank wants Manny

LAS VEGAS -- Yankees co-owner Hank Steinbrenner is said by people close to him to want Manny Ramirez in pinstripes. Unlike his father, who dreaded dreadlocks, Steinbrenner the junior is said by a Yankees person "not to give a (hoot) about his hair.''


:)

[Dodger]

Hank wants Manny

LAS VEGAS -- Yankees co-owner Hank Steinbrenner is said by people close to him to want Manny Ramirez in pinstripes. Unlike his father, who dreaded dreadlocks, Steinbrenner the junior is said by a Yankees person "not to give a (hoot) about his hair.''


:)

Dam. He's going to be a Yankee now. No way the Dodgers are going to get into a bidding war with the Yanks....**** they wouldn't get into one with Royals :cmad:

[NewYorkSpider]

Yankees will probably have to offer 3yr, $60M if they want Manny. Pitching is their main concern right now. The Yankees shouldn't waste time with him untill they get another pitcher.

[Caped Crusader]

Dam. He's going to be a Yankee know. No way the Dodgers are going to get into a bidding war with the Yanks....**** they wouldn't get into one with Royals :cmad:

Sorry man. :word:

[Caped Crusader]

Yankees will probably have to offer 3yr, $60M if they want Manny. Pitching is their main concern right now. I wouldn't waste time with him untill we sign another pitcher.

Sign Burnett or Sheets then move onto Manny

[Dodger]

Sorry man. :word:

Your not sorry...lol jk

thanks.

[Caped Crusader]

Your not sorry...lol jk

thanks.

:funny: (evil laugh)

I rooted for the Dodgers in the playoffs though. :cwink:

[Kingfish]

I smell clubhouse cancer a-brewing.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8926290/Putz-doesn't-want-to-be-setup-man-

[NewYorkSpider]

Sign Burnett or Sheets then move onto Manny

Dodgers are getting ready to offer another year. I think Manny wants to stay in L.A.

[Caped Crusader]

Dodgers are getting ready to offer another year. I think Manny wants to stay in L.A.

We'll see what happens.. Would love to see him in pinstripes

[Dodger]

:funny: (evil laugh)

I rooted for the Dodgers in the playoffs though. :cwink:

You didn't root hard enough! :cmad:

Thanks for the support friend.

Dodgers are getting ready to offer another year. I think Manny wants to stay in L.A.

He should! we love him here. It's no longer Hollywood. It's Mannywood.

[Caped Crusader]

He should! we love him here. It's no longer Hollywood. It's Mannywood.

He is a Bronx boy.

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w28/img.265392_t.jpg

[Dodger]

He is a Bronx boy.

http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w28/img.265392_t.jpg

Yeah I know. He went to High School too in NY and has said he always wanted to play in NY. But he also said that one of the advantages LA had over BOS was the media and the fans. He was quoted "I can go to the movies with my family and I wont be bugged. My daughter can come to the game and not get asked questions by the media" I wrote that off of memory so it's accurate.

I don't know? Who EVER knows with Manny?

[Kingfish]

When it comes to Manny, he may very well make his decision based on which stadium has a Cheesecake Factory in the closest proximity.

[Silver Knight]

What he said above, plus a new hat is being added for the Nationals, not sure if it has as of yet. It is similar to what you saw for some of the teams over Fourth of a July. DC block letters with the american flag inside, all over navy hat.

SF BP, Texas Alternate, Twins BP, DC Alternate, Red Sox hat, and 3 new Orioles hats as has already been discussed. These are all hat changes.
Thanks. No news on Florida teal alternate?

[Dark Donnie]

Mike Cameron-OF-Brewers Dec. 11 - 8:15 am et

The New York Daily News reports that the Brewers and Yankees have agreed to a Mike Cameron-for-Melky Cabrera swap.

Cameron will start in center field for the Yanks next year. The 35-year-old hit .243 with 25 home runs and 70 RBI in 120 games last season and is set to earn $10 million in 2009. The Brewers are getting younger and have cut a large chunk of payroll with the deal, but they're losing a big part of their offense. Cabrera, 24, batted just .249 in '08 with eight dingers and 37 RBI in 129 games.
Source: New York Daily News

[Spidey-Bat]

I smell clubhouse cancer a-brewing.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8926290/Putz-doesn't-want-to-be-setup-man-

Nope
http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/mariners/2008/12/10/putz_takes_trade_well.html

"It's a new challenge and I'm excited about it,'' Putz said. "I'm going to a new team that's going to be very competitive. Frankie's a great closer and with Sean Green going as well, we should have a great bullpen.''

I'll believe the man himself over his agent.

[Excel]

manny would loathe ny...i bet he goes the angels or some random team

[Spidey-Bat]

Angels don't want him. They want Teixeira.

[Silver Knight]

manny would loathe ny...i bet he goes the angels or some random team
I think he will end up in NY.

[Raiden]

Angels don't want him. They want Teixeira.

Angels will probably lose Teixerira to Red Sox. They really need to sign some FA to fill in their growing holes in the lineup.

[Dr. Evil]

At least Washington is making an offer to Tex.........he won't sign though. He went through hell once in Texas, and he's not going through hell again in Washington.

[Spidey-Bat]

Angels will probably lose Teixerira to Red Sox. They really need to sign some FA to fill in their growing holes in the lineup.

They won't sign Manny though. After Teixeira they probably have Dunn and Burrell on their list.

[BlackLantern]

I'd prefer the Mets got Teixiera, as I'm a **** for offense

[FaT_tONle]

Yankees should get all these guys... get Manny, Tex, Sheets, Burnett, Lowe... go to a 300 million dollar payroll. That way if they lose it's an absolute disgrace... if they win... everyone will write it off because they were supposed to win in the first place.

[Spidey-Bat]

I'd prefer the Mets got Teixiera, as I'm a **** for offense

They need to improve the back end of their rotation. They won't be able to sign Teixeira b/c he's too costly.

[Kingfish]

Both Reagins and Scioscia have already called it highly unlikely that they would sign Manny. If they lose Tex, I have a feeling they'll turn to Dunn and may resign Anderson.

[Kingfish]

In fact, seems highly unlikely, but still:

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ny-spmanny115960657dec11,0,548502.story

[Spidey-Bat]

I hope he does. Every is tired of his games. Maybe if he didn't want 5yrs, $100M he'd find a team interested.

[Dark Donnie]

Jake Peavy-S-Padres Dec. 11 - 2:55 pm et

While a club official labeled the possibility of a deal a "long shot," the Angels are believed to be talking with the Padres about Jake Peavy.

Brandon Wood and Nick Adenhart are two of the players the Padres would want from the Angels in a Peavy deal. There might very well be a match between the two teams, but even if that's the case, there's still nothing to suggest that Peavy is willing to go to an AL team.
Source: Hot Stove Blog

[BlackLantern]

I hope he does. Every is tired of his games. Maybe if he didn't want 5yrs, $100M he'd find a team interested.

Considering his age, most teams may give him 2 years with a 1 year option, I think that's the best he can hope for

[cyborg ninja 14]

Yankees should get all these guys... get Manny, Tex, Sheets, Burnett, Lowe... go to a 300 million dollar payroll. That way if they lose it's an absolute disgrace... if they win... everyone will write it off because they were supposed to win in the first place.

:applaud

[Excel]

Manny is such a diva :applaud

I predict next week he claims he wants to go back to Boston.

[BlackLantern]

Manny might get the Barry Bonds treatment this season if he doesn't start being flexible

[ih8nyy]

Manny is such a diva :applaud

I predict next week he claims he wants to go back to Boston.

I can see it now.

Manny: "I never wanted to leave all along. I love Boston. It was just Manny being Manny"

Manny might get the Barry Bonds treatment this season if he doesn't start being flexible

That would be fantastic! Many then goes and signs with the St. Paul Saints.

[ih8nyy]

OH and I would love to look at Manny and go.

"Gas is down and so are you."

[FaT_tONle]

Dodgers will give him the extra year... makes no sense not to. Give him 3 years 60 and change. Otherwise the Yankees will sign him no doubt. Bring in Cameron and leave Swisher at first and DH Manny.

[Spidey-Bat]

Then where does Matsui play?

[Dark Donnie]

Dodgers will give him the extra year... makes no sense not to. Give him 3 years 60 and change. Otherwise the Yankees will sign him no doubt. Bring in Cameron and leave Swisher at first and DH Manny.

Cameron isn't going to be a Yankee...I believe the deal fell through.

[FaT_tONle]

Then they can platoon Damon with Melky... I mean who cares about defense in Yankee land? But they can still bring in Manny as a DH.

Then where does Matsui play?

Matsui could DH as well. Or come of the bench. He isn't that good anymore.

[BlackLantern]

Melky got traded....didn't he?

[Caped Crusader]

^ Its not completed yet.

[Showtime]

New Red Sox Uniform Set:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-14.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-13.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-12.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-11.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-10.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/newroad-2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/redsoxaltroad-3.jpg

[Spidey-Bat]

I hate the Alt Hat.

The new road is like their jerseys from 1986. I like it.

[ih8nyy]

New Red Sox Uniform Set:

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-14.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-13.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-12.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-11.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/Original-10.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/newroad-2.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/redsoxaltroad-3.jpg

Welcome to the 80's folks. I still liked the road uni they just had, but this could have been much worse.

As for the alternate jersey's and hat they are a complete loss.

Primary logo is great, but that logo has been used for a while now, so it's not a big deal.

[Showtime]

I hate the Alt Hat.

The new road is like their jerseys from 1986. I like it.

The new alternate hat is not my favorite, I had the pleasure of seeing it a bit back.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/alternatecap.jpg

I dig the road jerseys though as well.

[FaT_tONle]

Go all black and red... cliche but that if anything... blue and they are pretty much the Indians... the Alt Cap is hideous...

[ih8nyy]

Go all black and red... cliche but that if anything... blue and they are pretty much the Indians... the Alt Cap is hideous...

They have always been Blue and Red.

QFT on alt cap.

[Showtime]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/capt2b734ce84f3449e4a1eeeb155cb2126.jpg

I like the idea of the "two socks" identity, but that blue on blue and the fuzz on the socks...no.

I do like the two interlocking socks on the sleeve though.

[Caped Crusader]

Road uni is nice, Alt hat is meh.

[Spidey-Bat]

I like the idea of the "two socks" identity, but that blue on blue and the fuzz on the socks...no.

I do like the two interlocking socks on the sleeve though.

I hate the socks on the sleeves.

[ih8nyy]

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i267/IronGiant29/capt2b734ce84f3449e4a1eeeb155cb2126.jpg

I like the idea of the "two socks" identity, but that blue on blue and the fuzz on the socks...no.

I do like the two interlocking socks on the sleeve though.

Ironically this is probably the only time you will ever see Tito Francona wearing that jersey. He'll have a jacket or fleece on over it due to always being cold because of all those blood thinners he's on.

[Showtime]

I hate the socks on the sleeves.

I won't flood the thread with any more pictures, but here are some more shots.

http://redsoxinsider.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/here_they_are.html

I think it would have been better suited to the navy and red alternates and then left the road and home with a more classic feel, but I like it nonetheless.

[Caped Crusader]

"Manny feeling ignored in free-agent marketBY KEN DAVIDOFF
December 11, 2008

Manny Ramirez is growing extremely upset about the lack of suitors for his services, so much so that he has told friends he would contemplate retirement if a suitable offer doesn't arrive soon, a person close to the situation told Newsday

[ih8nyy]

"Manny feeling ignored in free-agent marketBY KEN DAVIDOFF
December 11, 2008

Manny Ramirez is growing extremely upset about the lack of suitors for his services, so much so that he has told friends he would contemplate retirement if a suitable offer doesn't arrive soon, a person close to the situation told Newsday

I hope the Pirates make the biggest offer for his services.

[Showtime]

Good luck Manny.

[Dodger]

I'm the only who likes the Sox's on the hats? C'mon guys it's awesome.

[FaT_tONle]

Awesome Christmas decorations... ^^^

[Showtime]

Haha

[Spidey-Bat]

Haha

I am reporting this spam.

[Dark Donnie]

Phillies Signed Raul Ibanez...3 Years 30 Million

[Spidey-Bat]

Too many years. Their lineup has too many lefties as well.

[Dark Donnie]

I'm on the fence although he hits lefties good.

[Spidey-Bat]

.268./322/.411 which is a .733 OPS. That's below-average.

[Kingfish]

I know the Angels were interested too, but for that deal the Phillies can have him.