How SR should have been.

[ZollyBeckerShow]

Fake trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dtc4fZ8Td8


Plot outline:

In the mid 1990's Superman abandoned his neverending battle and left earth to persue a life for himself.
After many years exploring the universe Supes returns to earth. His powers have vanished upon returning to earth. Clark returns to Metropolis to fint the city and the Daily Planet a much more cynical place.
Jimmy Olsen once a young man full of hope has become a former War Correspondent missing his right arm. Olsen was lucky compared to Lois who didn't survive the event that cost Jimmy his arm and his optimisim.
The Daily Planet is now a tabliod run by some woman in her 30's (Think Gail Weathers from Scream).

Clark now a mortal man tries to reconncect with Jimmy, only to find out that Lois who had been captured by the Taliban proclaimed that Superman will save her moments before their camp was blown up.

Clark now doing stupid human intrest stories profiles a fireman who has broncheal problems do to 9/11 clean up. The fireman as well as the people of earth have given up on Superman.

In the midst of this Darksied and his Apokaliptian Armada have chosen earth as thier new outpost and ever since Superman left they have been slowly influencing the people of earth into a global war with one another.

Darksied and his Doomsday creatures boom tube down to Metropolis and within two days conquer the whole world with little resistance from an inferior human military and a demoralised populace.

Facing his guilt over abandoning Earth, being unable to stop Darksied and alowing Lois to raped and executed by the Taliban- Clark Kent goes to some innercity traintracks to kill himself.

Clark gets hit by a train, the Train screeches to a halt after slamming into an imeasurable mass- Clark is unharmed, his powers have returned.
The elderly black conducter gets out of the train to make sure Clark is unharmed. the Conducter asks if Clark is alright, Clark readjusts his glasses and fumbles for some excuse as to why he is unharmed...
The Conducter smiles and says, "It's good to have you back Supes!" Clark goes into his athouritative Superman voice and tells him to keep a secret-Clark flies away.

SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY
Some kids are playing soccer and their ball hits an Apokaliptian Doomsday Stormtrooper- who is now about to execute the two kids, Superman in full costume swoops in and saves the day- telling the children to play more carfully with their ball.

Darksied finds out that Superman is back so he has his Apokaliptian Armada fight him.

AWESOME 30 MINUTE CGI BATTLE.

Darksied is upset that Superman creamed his henchmen so Darksied and Supes duke it out all over the planet IN A MASSIVE BATTLE FOR 20 MINUTES.

The battle climaxes in Times Square with Darksied firing his omega beams at Supes, Supes punches the beams like in the Flischer Cartoons and puts his hands over Darksied's eyes.
DARKSIED EXPLODES LIKE AGENT SMITH.

Superman is buried in rubble after the fight, he is knocked out. The Fireman with his air tank (and his anthropamorphised Dog) from earlier digs out the seemingly lifeless body of Superman.
Superman comes to, the mayor and other bystanders thank him for saving the world, Jimmy hands Superman his tattered Cape with his picher hand, with a youthful smile- Jimmy is optimistic and naive again. The remaining Apokaliptian Doomsday Monsters tell Superman that he is their new leader, Superman tells them that he is not their leader because they are free now. "What is Free???" says a Monster. Superman gives a corny explanation of Freedom, a Doomsday monster smiles inocently and shakes hands with the fireman's dog.
Superman smiles, as do we.

SUPERMAN FLYBY-END!

[Asgard]

That's a little too dark.

/ TMNT II reference.

And that ending with the monster smiling innocently and shaking a dog's paw is corny as all heck.

[ZollyBeckerShow]

It goes from Dark to DONNER, JESUS, AMERICANISIM at the mid point.
Its a 2 hr and 45 minute film with one hour of Dark setup and dispair to Superman smashing stuff to John Williams music.

[ZollyBeckerShow]

The ending with the monster smiling innocently and shaking a dog's paw, it is corny but it's awesome. Because even an Apokaliptian Doomsday Monster has the capacity to be good.

[darthlaney]

I don't really want to see a Superman where he is recovering from the psychological trauma of trying to 'off' himself.

Happy with the Darkseid side of the story and the middle east is ok, but I would make it a little more local and in a theatre of war that the US is not 'officially' involved - there are a number of skirmishes in South America that Lois could get into mischief in. - I would stay away from any current global issues that Superman could fix - Superman IV suffered because of this (and a lot of other things).

The plot of him returning to the reminents of Krypton is a good start point - the distance away from a yellow sun could de-power him. Requiring regeneration in the Fortress before all of his powers came back - they could come back slowly allowing him to do small amounts of 'hero' work - eg rescue Lois.

A final act or accident could bring him up to full power during the final confrontation with Darkseid (sort a like the during the fight with the Cyborg Superman in the comics, where the eradicator re-formats the radiation of green kryptonite to power Superman up).

These ideas borrow from the 'Return of Superman' comic storyline - avoiding the death, they could work well in a movie.

[Dark Jaguar]

i almost broke my laptop laughing at the fluff-factor of the ending...

but otherwise: yes, that could've worked...

except, like darthlaney said... lets stay out of an actual theater of war.

Maybe... Burma, instead??

[Double Down]

Rape, a suicide attempt and a monster shaking a dog's "hands." The three basic tenets of any good Superman story. Fantastic stuff.

[Cronus]

I believe it's far more better than the SR we have seen... what ever the ending is ... it's much better

[Superfreak]

aka: The Chronicles of Riddick, with Superman instead

[I Am The Knight]

Fake trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dtc4fZ8Td8


Plot outline:

In the mid 1990's Superman abandoned his neverending battle and left earth to persue a life for himself.

Okay.

After many years exploring the universe Supes returns to earth. His powers have vanished upon returning to earth. Clark returns to Metropolis to fint the city and the Daily Planet a much more cynical place.
Jimmy Olsen once a young man full of hope has become a former War Correspondent missing his right arm. Olsen was lucky compared to Lois who didn't survive the event that cost Jimmy his arm and his optimisim.
The Daily Planet is now a tabliod run by some woman in her 30's (Think Gail Weathers from Scream).

Okay...

Clark now a mortal man tries to "reconncect" with Jimmy

The gay bashers will get a laugh out of this one.

, only to find out that Lois who had been captured by the Taliban proclaimed that Superman will save her moments before their camp was blown up.

LAWL :grin:

In the midst of this Darksied and his Apokaliptian Armada have chosen earth as thier new outpost and ever since Superman left they have been slowly influencing the people of earth into a global war with one another.

Darksied and his Doomsday creatures boom tube down to Metropolis and within two days conquer the whole world with little resistance from an inferior human military and a demoralised populace.

Now this sounds good. The bolded part reminds me of Mageddon.

Facing his guilt over abandoning Earth, being unable to stop Darksied and alowing Lois to raped and executed by the Taliban- Clark Kent goes to some innercity traintracks to kill himself.

:huh: :dry:

Clark gets hit by a train, the Train screeches to a halt after slamming into an imeasurable mass- Clark is unharmed, his powers have returned.
The elderly black conducter gets out of the train to make sure Clark is unharmed. the Conducter asks if Clark is alright, Clark readjusts his glasses and fumbles for some excuse as to why he is unharmed...
The Conducter smiles and says, "It's good to have you back Supes!" Clark goes into his athouritative Superman voice and tells him to keep a secret-Clark flies away.

...Okay.

SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY
Some kids are playing soccer and their ball hits an Apokaliptian Doomsday Stormtrooper- who is now about to execute the two kids, Superman in full costume swoops in and saves the day- telling the children to play more carfully with their balls.

BWAHAHAHAHA!

Darksied finds out that Superman is back so he has his Apokaliptian Armada fight him.

AWESOME 30 MINUTE CGI BATTLE.

Darksied is upset that Superman creamed his henchmen so Darksied and Supes duke it out all over the planet IN A MASSIVE BATTLE FOR 20 MINUTES.

So a 50 minute action sequence :huh:

The battle climaxes in Times Square with Darksied firing his omega beams at Supes, Supes punches the beams like in the Flischer Cartoons and puts his hands over Darksied's eyes.
DARKSIED EXPLODES LIKE AGENT SMITH.

:wow: !!!!!1111

Superman is buried in rubble after the fight, he is knocked out. The Fireman with his air tank (and his anthropamorphised Dog) from earlier digs out the seemingly lifeless body of Superman.
Superman comes to, the mayor and other bystanders thank him for saving the world, Jimmy hands Superman his tattered Cape with his picher hand, with a youthful smile- Jimmy is optimistic and naive again. The remaining Apokaliptian Doomsday Monsters tell Superman that he is their new leader, Superman tells them that he is not their leader because they are free now. "What is Free???" says a Monster. Superman gives a corny explanation of Freedom, a Doomsday monster smiles inocently and shakes hands with the fireman's dog.

LOL! :whatever:


Superman cringes, as do we.

SUPERMAN FLYBY-END!

Fixed :whatever:

[ClarkLuther55]

Is this a joke? Posts like these prove that many fanboys don't know how to make good superhero movies either.

[TheWrathOfGod]

This idea encompasses everything good and wholesome about Superman while setting the atmosphere in modern times. A film where Supes tries to commit suicide must end with a corny final scene. Also, Lance Henriksen for Darkseid.

[ZollyBeckerShow]

This film would have ruled, because Supes must atone for 9/11 and save the world.
Darksied is old testament God, while Superman is Jesus.
The Gail Weathers type chick would be a vague love intrest for Clark.
Clark's attempt at killing himself is merely a plot device to show his powers are back, I think your taking the suicide angle to harshly.

Darksied would be Lance Henriksen or Brian Thompson, and He would have the Kevin Smith created L-Ron the gay robot as a sidekick. Darksied would have similar powers to Superman but be more like Max Von Sydow's Ming- but he would still have a hood.
The Apokaliptian Armada would consist of Doomsday Monsters, Hot Demon chicks, and Robotic 80's Brainiac looking thugs.

This would start out dark but get light and buttery and action packed. It would be better because It would start with a young child reading a Voice Over about a post Superman World - Cue John Williams March.

Darksied's plan is to turn Earth into Apokalypse and make it's inhabitants into fuedal feral waring clans.

[NeoRanger]

Clark's attempt at killing himself is merely a plot device to show his powers are back, I think your taking the suicide angle to harshly.
It's not a matter of taking it harshly, it's just gross mischaracterization. It's Batman watching "An Officer and a Gentleman" with Selina and crying his eyes out. I see him more likely to kill than commit suicide.

I just can't picture it.

[Kal-El Fan]

One of the biggest problems with this idea, is also one of the biggest problems with SR, the fact that Superman chooses to leave, to give-up and ignore his responsibility. I think it is out of character for Superman to do this.

In Superman II, they do it to show why there must be a Superman, and to kind of teach Clark how important he is, but I don't really like it there either. The premise for why he has to give up his powers is equally stupid.

I like the idea of a world without Superman, and seeing that, then seeing what happens when he returns. I think it would be better if he is somehow "taken" from us, ie death, or the story where he is kidnapped and brainwashed by Darkseid (I can't remember the name of it).

I like a lot of the story ideas you mentioned, but remove the part that he chose to leave, and take away the suicide aspect. Superman doesn't give-up. With or without powers, he'd do everything he could to fight for humanity. I think you can accomplish the same thing with maybe an accident of some kind.

[Kal-El Fan]

This film would have ruled, because Supes must atone for 9/11 and save the world.
Darksied is old testament God, while Superman is Jesus.
The Gail Weathers type chick would be a vague love intrest for Clark.
Clark's attempt at killing himself is merely a plot device to show his powers are back, I think your taking the suicide angle to harshly.

Darksied would be Lance Henriksen or Brian Thompson, and He would have the Kevin Smith created L-Ron the gay robot as a sidekick. Darksied would have similar powers to Superman but be more like Max Von Sydow's Ming- but he would still have a hood.
The Apokaliptian Armada would consist of Doomsday Monsters, Hot Demon chicks, and Robotic 80's Brainiac looking thugs.

This would start out dark but get light and buttery and action packed. It would be better because It would start with a young child reading a Voice Over about a post Superman World - Cue John Williams March.

Darksied's plan is to turn Earth into Apokalypse and make it's inhabitants into fuedal feral waring clans.
And any chance of your thread being taken even remotely seriously is now completely out the window.

[The Overlord]

I'm sorry, but rape should never occur in Superman story, ever! That's reason enough to dismiss whole mess of a story.

[Excel]

yeah no.

[SuperFerret]

This film would have ruled, because Supes must atone for 9/11 and save the world.
Darksied is old testament God, while Superman is Jesus.
The Gail Weathers type chick would be a vague love intrest for Clark.
Clark's attempt at killing himself is merely a plot device to show his powers are back, I think your taking the suicide angle to harshly.

Darksied would be Lance Henriksen or Brian Thompson, and He would have the Kevin Smith created L-Ron the gay robot as a sidekick. Darksied would have similar powers to Superman but be more like Max Von Sydow's Ming- but he would still have a hood.
The Apokaliptian Armada would consist of Doomsday Monsters, Hot Demon chicks, and Robotic 80's Brainiac looking thugs.

This would start out dark but get light and buttery and action packed. It would be better because It would start with a young child reading a Voice Over about a post Superman World - Cue John Williams March.

Darksied's plan is to turn Earth into Apokalypse and make it's inhabitants into fuedal feral waring clans.

Hi. I'm going to tell you something that I'm surprised no one else has, and I'm going to do it as calmly as I can, because the words I bolded offend me.

Superman is fictional. He is not real. 9/11 happened. It is all too real. Saying that Superman, even in a story that accomodates the truth of 9/11, needs to ATONE for not being there to stop it, not only cheapens the sacrifice REAL people made that day, but trivializes the deaths of thousands.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Hi. I'm going to tell you something that I'm surprised no one else has, and I'm going to do it as calmly as I can, because the words I bolded offend me.

Superman is fictional. He is not real. 9/11 happened. It is all too real. Saying that Superman, even in a story that accomodates the truth of 9/11, needs to ATONE for not being there to stop it, not only cheapens the sacrifice REAL people made that day, but trivializes the deaths of thousands.


Jesus is a fictional character and he influences real life all of the time. It worked for Spider-man in issue #36 (Vol.2) of ASM; it can work for Superman in a movie. Having Superman NOT atone for 9/11 is offensive.

[Andy C.]

Avoiding the whole "Jesus is a fictional character" bit for the sake of not being a tremendous douche, the idea of having a superhero--even Superman himself--get entangled in a story revolving around the 9/11 terrorist attacks is a slap in the face to the people who died that day (not to mention their families and friends). There's a time and a place to be reminded of what happened there, and it's not in the middle of a big summer action movie.

[Dark Jaguar]

Jesus is a fictional character and he influences real life all of the time. It worked for Spider-man in issue #36 (Vol.2) of ASM; it can work for Superman in a movie. Having Superman NOT atone for 9/11 is offensive.

Are you sure? Do you know for certain? Were you there?? I think that is a dangerous statement. and you've completely taken all focus off of making any point, plus you've taken the focus off of the topic of this thread.

You would be better served to say "Jesus may have, or may have not been real".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
As the Historicity of Jesus shows us, there IS literary reference by non-Christians to the man known as Jesus (Or The Christ). And the authenticity of the author is what is at question. Not the age, or even the original document.
But merely the fact that before the printing press, scribes would copy these documents by hand, and later scribes may have transposed their marginal notes, thus subverting the context of the document.
However, it would go to show that Jesus was NOT a fictional character. But in fact what he did, and the actions of the people that followed him might have been fictional. However his teachings live on today, influencing those who would follow his Word.
Just like every single other student, scholarly or otherwise, who follows the words of their text books. And thank you Jesus that those in the medical professions do!!! However, i realize that this is completely off-topic, so now I'll get back on topic. I just wanted to digress for a moment and point out the fatal flaw of such a bold, selfish statement (just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean it is Fact.)

Now, I have to agree with SuperFerret. Demanding a fictional character to "atone" for 9/11 is extremely offensive to the memories of those who died in that horrible tragedy...
but:
If doing the human interest piece is his atonement (if by "atonement" we mean 'substitution', wherein he wasn't here to witness 9/11) so he experiences it vicariously through the suffering of the firefighter? Then it's not AS bad as it would seem...
I would like to see Clark hurt with us. Because thats what happens when we talk about 9/11... we hurt (a little bit) together. And that helps us heal...
And I would feel a little bit better knowing Superman was by our side, sharing our pain. Everyone, everywhere would relate to that. And who knows? It could probably help some of us heal deeper wounds. That's kinda part of what makes that particular character so powerful... his Humanity.

[NeoRanger]

I'm not going to get nearly as emotional as half the guys have for 9/11, but I will say this; you're a lot better off not involving Superman with any big event in real life. There are tons of reasons to stay away from these subjects altogether; the guys above mentioned some, for me it would be that if he had to atone for 9/11, he'd have to atone for the body count in the Middle East. And Africa. And then he'd have to atone for human right violations everywhere. Including China. And then the drug rings in South America. And then corrupt politicians all over the world. It's a slippery slope; you can do it; but you're bound to offend many, many people in the process. And, thanks, but I'd like my Superman movie to be fun.

Jesus is a fictional character
Jesus isn't a fictional character; just getting that out of the way. You can, however, argue that his divine nature was fictional, in which case your point still stands. But just clarifying.

[GreenKToo]

S.R. should have had Lex stealing the crystals to make tech and weapons, not to create real estate. Also, Richard could be there BUT NO KID.

I would have did away with the opening of Lex at the vanderworth mansion and replaced it with the RTK scene with Superman instead.

Lex does indeed create Tech and weapons and sells them off to the highest bidders, creating Lex-Corp from the proceeds.

Lex uses his best bodyguard, John Corbin, and transforms him into Metallo. A superpowered being as powerful as Superman.

The people of Metropolis come to love Lex ( and forget Superman) for his wonderous inventions and cures for diseases. Lex constantly reminds the public that Superman left them and that he never cared about them, but Lex does. The whole time Lex harbors a deep hate for Superman.

Lex secretly despises the masses, but he puts on his act to achieve what he believes is his true calling, the presidency of the United States.

Lois, Perry, and Jimmy arent buying what Lex is selling. The planet is the lone voice of reason. Namely because Lex has bought every other TV station and Newspaper in town.


This is where I would have Superman return from Krypton. To a public that truly does ( for the most part) hate him.

[I Am The Knight]

Jesus is a fictional character and he influences real life all of the time. It worked for Spider-man in issue #36 (Vol.2) of ASM; it can work for Superman in a movie. Having Superman NOT atone for 9/11 is offensive.

I don't think it's a good idea at all, especially considering that 9/11 was 7 years ago...Although I think they did something similar in the comics at some point. Or was that just a drawing? Oh well.

[Showtime]

Singer was going to include a scene of Superman flying over or landing in front of where the Twin Towers once were or a reasonable similarity to the Twin Towers. He decided against it.

[bgshw44]

S.R. should have had Lex stealing the crystals to make tech and weapons, not to create real estate. Also, Richard could be there BUT NO KID.

I would have did away with the opening of Lex at the vanderworth mansion and replaced it with the RTK scene with Superman instead.

Lex does indeed create Tech and weapons and sells them off to the highest bidders, creating Lex-Corp from the proceeds.

Lex uses his best bodyguard, John Corbin, and transforms him into Metallo. A superpowered being as powerful as Superman.

The people of Metropolis come to love Lex ( and forget Superman) for his wonderous inventions and cures for diseases. Lex constantly reminds the public that Superman left them and that he never cared about them, but Lex does. The whole time Lex harbors a deep hate for Superman.

Lex secretly despises the masses, but he puts on his act to achieve what he believes is his true calling, the presidency of the United States.

Lois, Perry, and Jimmy arent buying what Lex is selling. The planet is the lone voice of reason. Namely because Lex has bought every other TV station and Newspaper in town.


This is where I would have Superman return from Krypton. To a public that truly does ( for the most part) hate him.


thats absolutely perfect and i cant believe they didnt go in that direction. we would have a trailer for MOS by now if that was the story of SR :(

[SatEL]

Fake trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dtc4fZ8Td8


Plot outline:

In the mid 1990's Superman abandoned his neverending battle and left earth to persue a life for himself.
After many years exploring the universe Supes returns to earth. His powers have vanished upon returning to earth. Clark returns to Metropolis to fint the city and the Daily Planet a much more cynical place.
Jimmy Olsen once a young man full of hope has become a former War Correspondent missing his right arm. Olsen was lucky compared to Lois who didn't survive the event that cost Jimmy his arm and his optimisim.
The Daily Planet is now a tabliod run by some woman in her 30's (Think Gail Weathers from Scream).

Clark now a mortal man tries to reconncect with Jimmy, only to find out that Lois who had been captured by the Taliban proclaimed that Superman will save her moments before their camp was blown up.

Clark now doing stupid human intrest stories profiles a fireman who has broncheal problems do to 9/11 clean up. The fireman as well as the people of earth have given up on Superman.

In the midst of this Darksied and his Apokaliptian Armada have chosen earth as thier new outpost and ever since Superman left they have been slowly influencing the people of earth into a global war with one another.

Darksied and his Doomsday creatures boom tube down to Metropolis and within two days conquer the whole world with little resistance from an inferior human military and a demoralised populace.

Facing his guilt over abandoning Earth, being unable to stop Darksied and alowing Lois to raped and executed by the Taliban- Clark Kent goes to some innercity traintracks to kill himself.

Clark gets hit by a train, the Train screeches to a halt after slamming into an imeasurable mass- Clark is unharmed, his powers have returned.
The elderly black conducter gets out of the train to make sure Clark is unharmed. the Conducter asks if Clark is alright, Clark readjusts his glasses and fumbles for some excuse as to why he is unharmed...
The Conducter smiles and says, "It's good to have you back Supes!" Clark goes into his athouritative Superman voice and tells him to keep a secret-Clark flies away.

SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY
Some kids are playing soccer and their ball hits an Apokaliptian Doomsday Stormtrooper- who is now about to execute the two kids, Superman in full costume swoops in and saves the day- telling the children to play more carfully with their ball.

Darksied finds out that Superman is back so he has his Apokaliptian Armada fight him.

AWESOME 30 MINUTE CGI BATTLE.

Darksied is upset that Superman creamed his henchmen so Darksied and Supes duke it out all over the planet IN A MASSIVE BATTLE FOR 20 MINUTES.

The battle climaxes in Times Square with Darksied firing his omega beams at Supes, Supes punches the beams like in the Flischer Cartoons and puts his hands over Darksied's eyes.
DARKSIED EXPLODES LIKE AGENT SMITH.

Superman is buried in rubble after the fight, he is knocked out. The Fireman with his air tank (and his anthropamorphised Dog) from earlier digs out the seemingly lifeless body of Superman.
Superman comes to, the mayor and other bystanders thank him for saving the world, Jimmy hands Superman his tattered Cape with his picher hand, with a youthful smile- Jimmy is optimistic and naive again. The remaining Apokaliptian Doomsday Monsters tell Superman that he is their new leader, Superman tells them that he is not their leader because they are free now. "What is Free???" says a Monster. Superman gives a corny explanation of Freedom, a Doomsday monster smiles inocently and shakes hands with the fireman's dog.
Superman smiles, as do we.

SUPERMAN FLYBY-END!

I wouldnt mind this been a story arc in as what if title for the comics but on film.............hell no.

[TheWrathOfGod]

This simple plot outline from the ZollyBeckerShow is at least ten times better than the aids infected fecal matter Bryan Singer and WB tried to shove down our throats. When a film is called Superman Returns, this plot is the only sensible way for the narrative to pan out. Superman NEEDS to and MUST address 9/11 in a modern film in order to have closure on the whole ordeal. The ending is perfect considering the darker tone the movie takes in the beginning and middle. People who criticize this idea have no fundamental understanding of cinematic narrative. This concept would have been the epic movie event that we all dreamed of while capturing the wholesome goodness of Superman.

[[A]]

Fake trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Dtc4fZ8Td8


haha nice one

[SuperFerret]

This simple plot outline from the ZollyBeckerShow is at least ten times better than the aids infected fecal matter Bryan Singer and WB tried to shove down our throats. When a film is called Superman Returns, this plot is the only sensible way for the narrative to pan out. Superman NEEDS to and MUST address 9/11 in a modern film in order to have closure on the whole ordeal. The ending is perfect considering the darker tone the movie takes in the beginning and middle. People who criticize this idea have no fundamental understanding of cinematic narrative. This concept would have been the epic movie event that we all dreamed of while capturing the wholesome goodness of Superman.

Why? Why must he address 9/11? What purpose would that serve?

[ZollyBeckerShow]

Because Superman (who is also Jesus) left earth after the Quest for Peace.
When Supes left, Darksied picked up on his trail to earth and started wrecking it with infecting humanity with a need to become fuedal warring clans.
It's oversimplification to an almost vauldvillian degree, but Darksied caused 9/11 and everything bad in the movie world.
By having an awesome hour long action set-peice it accomplishes two things: Superman smashing stuff with his powers, while also dealing with the sad state the world is in.

[TheWrathOfGod]

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3696/darkih2.jpg (http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=darkih2.jpg)

Lord Darksied...

[SuperFerret]

Because Superman (who is also Jesus) left earth after the Quest for Peace.
When Supes left, Darksied picked up on his trail to earth and started wrecking it with infecting humanity with a need to become fuedal warring clans.
It's oversimplification to an almost vauldvillian degree, but Darksied caused 9/11 and everything bad in the movie world.
By having an awesome hour long action set-peice it accomplishes two things: Superman smashing stuff with his powers, while also dealing with the sad state the world is in.

I'm going to borrow a techinique from a poster whose name I cannot remember.

Superman may be a parallel to Jesus, at times, but he is not Jesus.

Again, having a FICTIONAL character have any kind of responsibility for the events that killed thousands of REAL people on September 11th 2001 is offensive and essentially says "I don't care about all those who died or those who still deal with their losses from that day, I'm going to sensationalize it and profit off of it." I'm completely shocked that you still don't get it.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Everyone knows that Superman is like at least five times better than Jesus. Catholicism can profit off of tragedies, why can’t Warner Brothers with Superman? I personally think you are being unfair.

[I Am The Knight]

This simple plot outline from the ZollyBeckerShow is at least ten times better than the aids infected fecal matter Bryan Singer and WB tried to shove down our throats.

I see what you did there, you moron :whatever:


When a film is called Superman Returns, this plot is the only sensible way for the narrative to pan out. Superman NEEDS to and MUST address 9/11 in a modern film in order to have closure on the whole ordeal. The ending is perfect considering the darker tone the movie takes in the beginning and middle. People who criticize this idea have no fundamental understanding of cinematic narrative. This concept would have been the epic movie event that we all dreamed of while capturing the wholesome goodness of Superman.

The ending is cringe-worthy shee-it. And again, keep 9/11 out of this.

[Dark Jaguar]

Everyone knows that Superman is like at least five times better than Jesus. Catholicism can profit off of tragedies, why can’t Warner Brothers with Superman? I personally think you are being unfair.

i wonder what the bottom of your shoes look like....
but nevermind, that's not important RIGHT NOW...

i don't see a logic here.
No one should be allowed to profit off the events of 9/11/2001.
Now I'm a pretty cold hearted *******... god knows I love a good joke, but a joke is a joke...
This is not funny.

If you're going to depict 9/11/2001 in a movie (or any media), it needs to be factual. Not claiming it's the actions of a fictional character. It needs to be a memorial, a tribute. Emoting real feelings and sentiment shared by all.

Real Terrorists killed Real Innocent People. Not Darkseid. Not Lex Luthor. Not Jesus. Not Buddha. Not Allah. Not even goddamn Bugs ****ing Bunny.

And to even try to joke that they did, is a slap to the face of the reality of it, and belittles the real feelings of the people who were there, the people who lost friends and loved ones, and those of us who sat shocked watching around the world... and even to those being forced to watch such a farce. and the people having to read your remark.

It's unfair to use a fictional character as the premise for 9/11. It's unfair to expect any American (or any sensible person on the planet) to tolerate that kind of lunacy.

No one jokes about why the bombing of Pearl Harbor died. No one blames fictional characters for why car bombs explode in public markets.

You shouldn't even joke about something that would belittle a catastrophic event that changed the face of the PLANET.

F*** this. I'd rather watch Superman IV: Quest For Peace.

[ZollyBeckerShow]

Superman IV, for the record- was actually good.

Now, As a Jew do you think I am bothered by the Holocost being turned into a jumping off point for so many profitable media endeavors?
No, the same should be for 9/11.
Joe Quesada had the balls to tie 9/11 to Spiderman imediatly after it happend.
Superman struggled with the desire to live a normal life, as did Jesus.
Movie Superman, unlike Post-Crissis comic Superman, is not an analog to Jesus but completley and unabashedly Jesus.

Superman must be brought down to his lowest in the film's mid-point.
Powerless, guilty, irresponsible, and alone.
So the revelation that Clark is not weak but Superman once more can act like an emotional slingshot. Singer's film was cold and litteraly without soul.
Superman only wanted a life of his own, and his only act of selfishness lead Darksied to earth. The outline I wrote down here is pitifully vague, as I have said before.

Superman lives by Kevin Smith has a lot of good in it but is to wrapped up in the Death and Return of Superman, In my idea- It is us who are dead and the triumph is that Superman helps us return.

[KrypJonian]

Wow, I couldn't even wait to read all the responses.

So let me get this straight, we have a

-Amputee Jimmy Olsen with a cynical edge

-No Perry White running the Planet, but Cat Grant (way to miss the association...Scream?)

-Raped and executed Lois Lane

-A suicidal Clark Kent/Supes

-And a monster/dog handshake

Holy crap...jeez...holy crap...

The ONLY redeeming qualities are the corny explanation of freedom and Jimmy's optimism returning.

Keep trying, dude.

Sorry for being such a jerk...

[KrypJonian]

Two quick points here for Dark Jaguar and Zolly

Jag- I once planned (loved to have filmed) a GI Joe live action trailer for a movie that didn't exist, blaming Cobra for the 9/11 attacks. I didn't feel like I was making fun of the event or capitalizing on it, just creatively using it for fiction. Not parodizing it.

Zolly- I haven't had the discussion with many people of the Jewish faith, but I always thought Superman was more the equivalent of Moses, biblically speaking. I don't know if his Death and Resurrection in the 90's helped change that, or what... but I never agreed with all that Jesus talk. Jor-El was wise, not a god.

[ZollyBeckerShow]

As a Jew.....

Richard Donner's Superman is Jesus.
Seigel's 30's Superman is Moses
90's Death and Return, Superman is hippy Billy Jack peace Jesus.
Current Superman is Donner Superman.

[StarvingArtist]

I don't even know where to start with this thread

EDIT: I'll give it a shot.

First and foremost, this entire proposal is one big exploitation of 9/11 and with all due respect, is in bad taste. True, comics were published when 9/11 happened featuring various heroes reacting to the aftermath. But none of those books tried to turn 911 into a fictional event or a plot device, nor were the books published for profit, they were all for charity.

Second, Superman, while true that various writers have injected this or that religious allegory, should never be assumed to be any kind of religous model or vehicle for this faith or that faith. Superman should just be Superman. He's a symbol of hope, pure and simple. As for the model of his original conception, nobody really knows how Seigel and Shuster thought him up, it's all speculative. There's even a story recently released that Seigel's father was murdered in a burglary, ergo the reasoning for creating the world's first Superhero.

Lastly (not really, but I'm too lazy to write down all my issues with this proposal) you're taking Superman into too dark a place with not enough resolution. The whole thing gets resolved in a 50 minute action sequence? And as for the ending...are you kidding... This idea is completely about shock value. Replace Superman as the main character and the whole movie would be unrecognizable as a Superman film. Sorry:down keep trying.

[ClarkLuther55]

This simple plot outline from the ZollyBeckerShow is at least ten times better than the aids infected fecal matter Bryan Singer and WB tried to shove down our throats.

Give me a break and stop exxagerating. Singer's handling of Superman was indeed flawed, and I myself criticize it. But to compare it to this fanboy garbage where Lois gets raped AND murdered, Jimmy gets his arm blown off, and Doomsday shakes hands (paws?) with a cute little dog at the end? I'm not even sure whether the original post was genuine, or a complete joke and trolling attempt. I understand why people were disappointed in SR, but don't delude yourself into thinking it was the worst movie ever made. The fact that you liked the laughable story proposed in this thread shows that you don't know how to make a good film.

EDIT: I see that TheWrathOfGod has all of 8 posts, and has posted his own crappy Darkseid manip in ZollyBeckerShow's idea thread. Can you say sock puppet account? Move along people. Don't feed the troll.

[Showtime]

I think this thread has gone on long enough.