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Chewy
11-18-2008, 08:55 PM
'Captain America' enlists two scribes Christopher Markus, Stephen McFeely in negotiations

Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely are in negotiations to pen Marvel Studios' "First Avenger: Captain America." The dealmaking occurs about a week after Joe Johnston boarded the project as director.

Marvel's Kevin Feige is producing.

Created in 1941 by Jack Kirby and Joe Simon for Timely Comics, Captain America is the heroic alter ego of Steve Rogers, who is rejected by the Army for being too sickly and undergoes an experiment that takes him to the pinnacle of human form. Paired with an indestructible shield, he becomes a symbol of the war effort, fighting Nazis and villainous scientists like the Red Skull.

In modern times, the character starred in his own long-running comic series and also was a charter member of Marvel's superteam, the Avengers.

Kicking off with "Iron Man," Marvel Studios' slate of movies -- including "Thor" and the "Iron Man" sequel -- is building toward an "Avengers" movie set for release in 2011, in which the characters from the films team for one big adventure. "Captain America" is scheduled for release May 6, 2011.

Marvel's "Captain America" will be a World War II-set movie, and the character will appear in the modern day-set "Avengers."

Markus and McFeely, repped by UTA, worked on "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" and its sequel, "Prince Caspian." The duo also wrote HBO's "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers."

SOURCE (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ia94c7ef2006ea33dd522d7c6ad91fa12)

Abstract
11-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Interesting. I've seen all three of their past films and enjoyed them all. The Narnia adaptions were faithful enough so we'll see how this goes.

Changeling
11-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Dude this seems pretty good

FaT_tONle
11-18-2008, 09:01 PM
Too lazy to IMBD these guys... someone else do it for me.

Chewy
11-18-2008, 09:05 PM
Too lazy to IMBD these guys... someone else do it for me.
They wrote both Narnia flicks, a movie called "You Kill Me", and "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers". That's all IMDB has.

Now Marvel has taken Narnia's release date for IM2 and its writers for Cap :funny:

batman44
11-18-2008, 09:09 PM
Pretty good choices imo, I enjoyed both Narnia flicks.

Bubonic
11-18-2008, 09:09 PM
Too lazy to IMBD these guys... someone else do it for me.

lazy ass lol

Christopher Markus

Awards:

Won Primetime Emmy. Another 1 win & 3 nominations more (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1321655/awards)
NewsDesk:

'Lost' Finds WGA Awards for 23 Writers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1321655/news#ni0077986)
(From Studio Briefing (http://www.imdb.com/news/ns0000003/). 6 February 2006)


Filmography

Writer:


The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499448/) (2008) (screenplay)
... aka Prince Caspian (International: English title: informal short title)
You Kill Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796375/) (2007) (written by)
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363771/) (2005) (screenplay)
... aka The Chronicles of Narnia (International: English title: short title)
The Life and Death of Peter Sellers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352520/) (2004) (teleplay)

Stephen McFeely
Awards:

Won Primetime Emmy. Another 1 win & 3 nominations more (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1321656/awards)
NewsDesk:

'Lost' Finds WGA Awards for 23 Writers (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1321656/news#ni0077986)
(From Studio Briefing (http://www.imdb.com/news/ns0000003/). 6 February 2006)


Filmography

Jump to filmography as: Writer (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1321656/#writer), Miscellaneous Crew (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1321656/#miscellaneousX20crew)
Writer:


The Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0499448/) (2008) (screenplay)
... aka Prince Caspian (International: English title: informal short title)
You Kill Me (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0796375/) (2007) (written by)
The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0363771/) (2005) (screenplay)
... aka The Chronicles of Narnia (International: English title: short title)
The Life and Death of Peter Sellers (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0352520/) (2004) (teleplay)

Miscellaneous Crew:


City of Baseball (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0982863/) (2007) (production assistant)

batman44
11-18-2008, 09:09 PM
Edit.

FaT_tONle
11-18-2008, 09:16 PM
They wrote both Narnia flicks, a movie called "You Kill Me", and "The Life and Death of Peter Sellers". That's all IMDB has.

Now Marvel has taken Narnia's release date for IM2 and its writers for Cap :funny:

I have been hearing that Narnia 3 is getting delayed even further and that it may not be ready for May 2010 although no changes have been made as of yet... it probably won't even happen at this rate...

Word.... :cwink:

Doomed Hero Rising
11-18-2008, 09:34 PM
This movie seems like it's going to be pretty solid, I'm excited.

Figs
11-18-2008, 10:02 PM
I like how it says it's going to be a WWII set movie. End it with him in ice and maybe find him at the beginning of Avengers or explain how they found him.

terry78
11-18-2008, 10:08 PM
Now my question is, how familiar are these two with Captain America? Are they just going to go with their own vision of it from little snippets, are they fans, or will they do some research? I don't really care what they've written before, I just wanna know what they bring to the proverbial table.

Chewy
11-18-2008, 10:15 PM
Now my question is, how familiar are these two with Captain America? Are they just going to go with their own vision of it from little snippets, are they fans, or will they do some research? I don't really care what they've written before, I just wanna know what they bring to the proverbial table.
It was stated that Marvel was hearing pitches when they hired JJ last week, so there must have been something in these two guys' pitch that resonated with Marvel.

Compi716
11-18-2008, 10:19 PM
So we have writers now. Cool. I have faith that they'll churn out something that is at least somewhat decent. After all, the Sellers movie was pretty good.

I am Batman
11-18-2008, 10:21 PM
I haven't seen You Kill Me or The Life and Death of Peter Sellers but I have seen the Chronicle of Narnia movies and though I liked them they weren't anything to write home about. I'll try and see their other movies but right now I'm not too sure about this movie, average writers combined with an average directer can be either good or bad.

Chewy
11-18-2008, 10:54 PM
You Kill Me was very good, never seen the Peter Sellers thing either.

One thing to keep in mind is that Cap is much less rigid material to adapt than Narnia was, and should give them much more breathing room in a lot of ways. I really don't think their work on Narnia will be reflected much in their work on Cap. At least, I hope not.

The Question
11-18-2008, 11:22 PM
I'm a bit...concerned. Captain America has a chance to be a legitimately great film. Not juts a great adaptation, or a great comic book movie, but a great film. These guys might deliver that, but I have no real reason to assume that they will. The Dark Knight probably spoiled me, but my expectations for a Cap film are pretty dang high.

Sawyer
11-19-2008, 12:00 AM
I've never seen either Narnia movies, didnt really appeal to me, but they dont seem too bad. I'm sure there are worse writers out there to do Cap than these two.

Chewy
11-19-2008, 12:12 AM
The Narnia flicks weren't all that good, but I think that's more a product of Disney/Walden wanting very "faithful" adaptations of the book than it is these guys' skill. They won the Emmy for that Peter Sellers thing and, like I said, You Kill Me was very, very good.

Spider-Fan
11-19-2008, 12:18 AM
Solid writing choices. They fit with the selection of Johnston. So far, I like :up:

bubbadoom
11-19-2008, 12:20 AM
I am just happy they seem to be following my plan of keeping the solo Cap movie[s] in the '40's and using the Avengers movie to bring him into the present!

webhead921
11-19-2008, 12:31 AM
I really enjoyed both Narnia movies, so this pleases me. It also pleases me that marvel did not go with Zak Penn. I enjoyed TIH, but I'm glad Marvel is moving past penn for writing cap. This movie looks promising. With all this recent news about cap, hopefully we will hear some possible casting choices as well. I'm glad that Marvel seems to be moving forward with their projects.

Project862006
11-19-2008, 02:46 AM
i have never read any cap comic but the character imo feels kinda of how you say boring i think cap is gonna be the hardest to do more than thor

The Major
11-19-2008, 02:59 AM
i have never read any cap comic but the character imo feels kinda of how you say boring i think cap is gonna be the hardest to do more than thor

I disagree.

Carlo Comicus
11-19-2008, 03:17 AM
Good writers.

PyroChamber
11-19-2008, 03:37 AM
We've got a director and writers, all we need now is the cast.

bapi
11-19-2008, 05:00 AM
Both Narnia movies are totally stupid... well, there's a problem with Adamson and those kids so maybe their scripts aren't so bad but for me it looks like that we will have only another popcorn movie. Captain America is set in WW2 so there's a potentional to be something 'more'... but with these 2 guys and Johnston?

Lobo
11-19-2008, 07:12 AM
Johnston is perfect for Cap. The two writers are solid, now I think the actor will be the one who makes or breaks it.

Doomed Hero Rising
11-19-2008, 09:06 AM
Both Narnia movies are totally stupid... well, there's a problem with Adamson and those kids so maybe their scripts aren't so bad but for me it looks like that we will have only another popcorn movie. Captain America is set in WW2 so there's a potentional to be something 'more'... but with these 2 guys and Johnston?
I agree but I feel like that's the actors that make the movies just kinda eh. The scripts for both stayed true to the source material and seemed pretty solid. I have faith that Marvel won't mess up Captain America. What I AM nervous for is the Avengers movie.... I just read Zak Penn is writing.

FaT_tONle
11-19-2008, 09:07 AM
I don't have a problem with a light PG-13... I mean as long as it ain't Spiderman light. It is what it is... it's not supposed to be Saving Private Ryan. There will probably be no blood other than a few cuts and scrapes... we may get one "s***" word if that... it's supposed to be a fun adventure movie. That's Marvel's comfort zone.

WeaponXProject
11-19-2008, 09:27 AM
I've never seen either Narnia movies, didnt really appeal to me, but they dont seem too bad. I'm sure there are worse writers out there to do Cap than these two.


The first ones great. A more family friendly movie like Johnston has mostly done. So I expect Cap to be a lighter film, could still be good though.


As for the writers, not bad but there are better choices. I guess the whole idea of the epic Cap movie is going to be more of a popcorn flick.

CFE
11-19-2008, 11:52 AM
I like how it says it's going to be a WWII set movie. End it with him in ice and maybe find him at the beginning of Avengers or explain how they found him.

I always felt that an awesome ending for Cap would be exactly in sync with the ending of "Iron Man."

Credits Roll:

We fade in on the Arctic, present day...silence...the wind blows; it begins to howl and rise as a trio of S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicopters land. Field Agents pour out of the choppers followed by Nick Fury (Sam Jackson) in snow gear. They approach a camp site, already set up...

SHIELD Agent 1:
Sgt. Fury...

NICK FURY:
Status?

SHIELD Agent 1:
We've definately found something...

NICK FURY:
Human?

SHIELD Agent 1:
Bio-Readouts confirm, sir.

Nick walks away through the camp...through SHIELD Agents working on drilling instruments and computer terminals. Fury makes his way onto an outcrop overlooking a large site of ice as a team of Agents begin to crack the frozen ground. We spot something...(the shield, a gloved hand...take your pick).

Fury smiles.

CUT TO BLACK:

-----

That's how I've always seen the first "Cap" film ending, as a segue to "Avengers."

marcvader
11-19-2008, 11:56 AM
^^ that would be cool.

WeaponXProject
11-19-2008, 12:42 PM
I always felt that an awesome ending for Cap would be exactly in sync with the ending of "Iron Man."

Credits Roll:

We fade in on the Arctic, present day...silence...the wind blows; it begins to howl and rise as a trio of S.H.I.E.L.D. Helicopters land. Field Agents pour out of the choppers followed by Nick Fury (Sam Jackson) in snow gear. They approach a camp site, already set up...

SHIELD Agent 1:
Sgt. Fury...

NICK FURY:
Status?

SHIELD Agent 1:
We've definately found something...

NICK FURY:
Human?

SHIELD Agent 1:
Bio-Readouts confirm, sir.

Nick walks away through the camp...through SHIELD Agents working on drilling instruments and computer terminals. Fury makes his way onto an outcrop overlooking a large site of ice as a team of Agents begin to crack the frozen ground. We spot something...(the shield, a gloved hand...take your pick).

Fury smiles.

CUT TO BLACK:

-----

That's how I've always seen the first "Cap" film ending, as a segue to "Avengers."


That is a sweet ending. Kinda how I pictured it.

FaT_tONle
11-19-2008, 12:53 PM
That is an awesome after credit scene... I prefer just the glove over the shield since the shield is too obvious. Then you open the Avengers movie with either the villain... or Tony Stark or Bruce Banner... then cut back to the artic and show the scene to completion.

jab1118
11-19-2008, 01:07 PM
Thats pretty much exactly how i want it to end. Feel free to totally tease since avengers is out just a month or so later maybe even hold off first full trailer until then and show it at the end of cap

Chewy
11-19-2008, 01:11 PM
Cap needs to end with an overhead shot of him sinking into the ocean and some VO by whoever the aactor is. Adding in a modern times scene kinda cheapens it, imo.

Lobo
11-19-2008, 01:15 PM
Finding Cap should the start of The Avengers movie.

Chewy
11-19-2008, 01:19 PM
Exactly.

Rage
11-19-2008, 02:38 PM
After the credits, having a discovery in the artic is the way to go. For those who don't stick around for after the credits, they see Cap sinking into the deep of the North Atlantic...

Problem with that is, if it is PG-13, having people think that Cap dies at the end, is a real downer, and I doubt that Marvel would do that.

I am SUPER HYPED to hear that they have writers attached (in negotiations) And a confirmed director. I'm getting excited about this movie. It seems like the ball is really rolling!

Rage

Spider-Fan
11-19-2008, 04:10 PM
Cap should have a scene where he is found after it appears the movie over. It is a must for the movie.

Bubonic
11-19-2008, 04:19 PM
I never bothered watching Narnia, started the first and got bored... Just seemed like a LOTR type epic for kids which apparently had a lot of Christian allegories.

But from what I heard it was wonderful, and Captain America will be a starkly different project for them... Going to be interesting to find out how they approach it.

jab1118
11-19-2008, 04:22 PM
Enough of this after the credits non-sense show the scene at the end of the movie. I like how TIH did it. But in Caps case just make it the end of the movie, this after the credit stuff has got to go some of us really have to pee

WeaponXProject
11-19-2008, 04:24 PM
After the credits, having a discovery in the artic is the way to go. For those who don't stick around for after the credits, they see Cap sinking into the deep of the North Atlantic...

Problem with that is, if it is PG-13, having people think that Cap dies at the end, is a real downer, and I doubt that Marvel would do that.

I am SUPER HYPED to hear that they have writers attached (in negotiations) And a confirmed director. I'm getting excited about this movie. It seems like the ball is really rolling!

Rage

You are right about that not ending the movie with him frozen. An audience fully charged for what Cap does and thinking him to be dead would be a catastrophic ending to children and family movie goers. Even if the Avengers movie is only a few months after.

Spider-Fan
11-19-2008, 04:29 PM
Enough of this after the credits non-sense show the scene at the end of the movie. I like how TIH did it. But in Caps case just make it the end of the movie, this after the credit stuff has got to go some of us really have to pee

I do too. However, I think Cap should have a few more seconds of a completely black screen than TIH did. Then after the finding scene, roll credits.

This way everyone will see the scene.

R_Hythlodeus
11-19-2008, 04:30 PM
Never liked the Narnias, but both Life & Death and You Kill Me were great!

Chewy
11-19-2008, 04:30 PM
There's no reason to pussyfoot around it - as far as all the characters within the film-verse know, Cap is dead. Why can't the audience think the same? Why would that be so catastrophic? Is it the first time ever a blockbuster's main character has "died"?

If they absolutely need to, they can show a new trailer for Avengers which opens with shots of Cap being thawed on a table featuring VO about him being found frozen in the ocean during/at the end of the credits. Didn't the LotR films do similar?

Also, I very very much did not like how the Stark scene in TIH wasn't at the end of the credits.

WeaponXProject
11-19-2008, 04:40 PM
The more I think about it I would prefer either way. With Chewy's it would be more like the comics but with the other way it would be more family friendly which is probably what Marvel and JJ will do.

FaT_tONle
11-19-2008, 04:40 PM
After the credits, having a discovery in the artic is the way to go. For those who don't stick around for after the credits, they see Cap sinking into the deep of the North Atlantic...

Problem with that is, if it is PG-13, having people think that Cap dies at the end, is a real downer, and I doubt that Marvel would do that.

I am SUPER HYPED to hear that they have writers attached (in negotiations) And a confirmed director. I'm getting excited about this movie. It seems like the ball is really rolling!

Rage

No one is gonna think he's dead when they see a trailer for Avengers before the film or a few weeks later.

At the very least you end it like X-2 where you see a shadow or figure under the ice... of course non-comic book fans thought Jean died in X-2... but you can be a little more obvious that's the point.

Doctor Jones
11-19-2008, 05:16 PM
Beginning the Avenger with finding Cap would be great.

An after credits sequence in the Cap film could be Fury about to go out and get Cap and Stark is there too.

Stark says, "I'll be waiting," or "I'll just wait here, then." or something.

Ronny Shade
11-19-2008, 05:42 PM
I have not seen this peter sellers thing, but I am not impressed with these guys.

jab1118
11-19-2008, 06:14 PM
With every anouncement I become more and more scared for this film

Ronny Shade
11-19-2008, 06:16 PM
And Cap will be played by.....Vince Vaughn!

terry78
11-19-2008, 06:24 PM
And Cap will be played by.....Vince Vaughn!

Nick Fury: You were frozen for 40-odd years, and we revived you.

Captain Vince: What-what-what do you mean, frozen? You telling me I was sitting there like a ****ing fudgesicle and nobody even tried to find me?

Fury: Listen....

C. Vince: Yeah, because I was really not looking forward to living out the last half century and everything.

Fury: *blam* This ******** ain't worth it.

bubbadoom
11-19-2008, 06:24 PM
The Cap movie should NOT end with him being frozen. It should end with him the victorious hero, with the promise of plenty more WWII adventures to come. The Avengers movie could open with Cap's failed mission/being frozen, or we could be filled in about this via flash backs later. Either way, keep Cap alive and well and in the '40's in his own series; and use the Avengers to bring him into the present!

jab1118
11-19-2008, 06:35 PM
Cap doesnt get frozen in a failed mission he is succesfull but is frozen. He should be frozen doing something selfless that he knows he probably will not survive. Some sort of adapted version of him being on the missle but not that, it would not work live action

bubbadoom
11-19-2008, 06:42 PM
Okay, I take back the word "failed." My point is that the solo movie should allow for sequels set in WWII, and the Avengers movie should be the one that deals with him being frozen and thawed in the present.

Bubonic
11-19-2008, 06:52 PM
I did think it would of been better for the Stark scene to have been after the credits, because it just took away from TIH great ending.

I think what some are suggesting is a good idea, have him be discovered post credits, or the setup to the discovery.

Chewy
11-19-2008, 06:54 PM
The Cap movie should absolutely end in him freezing. That Cap would give his life for his country (etc) is the ultimate sacrifice and the ultimate success. I highly doubt Cap will be getting solo sequels - he'll be the face/focal point of Avengers and any sequels.

Ronny Shade
11-19-2008, 07:07 PM
It should end with Stark coming back in time to see cap.

Chewy
11-19-2008, 07:17 PM
When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious ****.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2527/59777579bc6.jpg

jab1118
11-19-2008, 07:19 PM
The Cap movie should absolutely end in him freezing. That Cap would give his life for his country (etc) is the ultimate sacrifice and the ultimate success. I highly doubt Cap will be getting solo sequels - he'll be the face/focal point of Avengers and any sequels.
I think it will be the opposite i really doubt there will be avengers sequels they would have to give everybody new contracts and it will become way to expensive

Chewy
11-19-2008, 07:21 PM
There will be Avengers sequels. I don't doubt that for a second. I don't think they'll bring back Hulk, Iron Man, or Thor for all the reasons you listed. But that's where Cap comes in - he'll maintain a sort of continuity while other actors/characters cycle in.

The Chibi Kiriyama
11-19-2008, 07:22 PM
i have never read any cap comic

Your problem, not a flaw in the material. People were saying this of Iron Man before it came out, and look how that turned out.

The writers do not inspire confidence in me, as I found Prince Caspian to be mediocre. But their work wasn't horrible, either, so I still have hope that this will be something remarkable.

Congo Jack
11-19-2008, 07:25 PM
While we're talking about Cap being thawed out, I cannot wait to see the following scene (or a variation of) and the one that follows being acted out by Sam Jackson, Robert Downey Jr. and the others!

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii130/Logan-Wolverine/Ultimates03-05.jpg

"I'm just glad I've got fifty percent of the merchandising rights."

bubbadoom
11-19-2008, 08:14 PM
WHY wrap up Cap's WWII adventures at the end of the first movie? Why not keep it open for a possible Invaders movie, etc. I just hope Marvel dose not make the same mistakes Cannon did with their Cap movie...

Bubonic
11-19-2008, 08:33 PM
WHY wrap up Cap's WWII adventures at the end of the first movie? Why not keep it open for a possible Invaders movie, etc. I just hope Marvel dose not make the same mistakes Cannon did with their Cap movie...

I see what you're saying, but I still have my doubts they'll keep that possibility open... I suppose you could do a lot in the WW2 setting, but wouldn't the audience want him set in modern days in his sequels once he's been introduced in the modern world in the Avengers.

Marvel Studios already has a lot on it's plate anyways, doubt Invaders is a priority.

FaT_tONle
11-19-2008, 08:39 PM
Marvel needs to save characters for Avenger sequels... you can continue making Iron Man and Hulk and even Thor movies after Avengers... but you need to save staple characters for the Avengers franchise. You can't keep doing both. Hence Cap will probably stay in the present day indefinitely after his solo debut.

bubbadoom
11-19-2008, 08:48 PM
With what I am suggesting, you can have all THREE - Cap in the past, solo Cap in the present, and Cap in the Avengers. They may not do some of the above, but why close that door when there is no reason to do so. At some point, I would like to see a Sleeper movie with parts taking place in the past and the present - and this way that would be possible.

FaT_tONle
11-19-2008, 09:36 PM
A solo Cap movie in the present doesn't make much sense... you scale back too much from Avengers. I don't expect any solo films for primary Avenger characters after the Avengers movie for that matter... with the exception of IM3. And it makes no sense to go back to the past and do more Cap films because that is an unneccessary risk. Are you going to make what amounts to half of Cap's story... then have him pop up in Avengers without having established that bridge... and then do another Cap movie after Avengers that is also set in WW2 to finally establish that bridge when the actor has already aged about three years? Makes zero sense to me... I think the best solution is... you make one patriotic WW2 film that stands alone by himself... no big deal. Then use him as your staple Avenger hero for up to two if not three films. Going back to solo Cap movies would be a waste.

jab1118
11-19-2008, 10:52 PM
I dont see solo Cap movies as a waste are solo comics a waste once they are in avengers titles. And I would prefer Cap sequals in present day I think Cap is more interesting out of his time

bubbadoom
11-19-2008, 10:59 PM
The Avengers movie IS the bridge from the Cap of the past to the Cap of the present. And if a WWII Cap movie made IM or DK numbers, you BET there would be another!

Has anyone here seen the god awful Cannon Cap movie of the '90's? There was way too much ground to cover - by the time you set up and did the origin, established the Skull, showed Cap's ONLY mission, froze him, thawed him out, did a little man-out-of-time stick, and resolved the Skull conflict - it all seemed so rushed that nothing got the screen time it needed [not unlike Venom in SM3]. Why paint yourself into a corner?

Chewy
11-19-2008, 11:09 PM
The Avengers movie IS the bridge from the Cap of the past to the Cap of the present. And if a WWII Cap movie made IM or DK numbers, you BET there would be another!

Has anyone here seen the god awful Cannon Cap movie of the '90's? There was way too much ground to cover - by the time you set up and did the origin, established the Skull, showed Cap's ONLY mission, froze him, thawed him out, did a little man-out-of-time stick, and resolved the Skull conflict - it all seemed so rushed that nothing got the screen time it needed [not unlike Venom in SM3]. Why paint yourself into a corner?
That's what Avengers is for. No one's suggesting he be thawed in this film (except for Avi Arad :cmad:). But without him sacrificing himself and being frozen at the end or the war coming to an end, the film and its arc will most likely feel incomplete .

FaT_tONle
11-19-2008, 11:10 PM
So Avengers is going to make less than the Cap movie??? Let's be real here... my point is... Avengers will basically blow Cap out of the water in terms of appeal... the budget will be enormous but you can't just back out of making that a potential series/franchise because of the price tag. You NEED a staple hero to carry that franchise for at least another film... and we all know RDJ will be too old by then. That's why you cast relatively young with Thor, Cap, and Pym. The budget would still be very high... but movies with multi-inclusive heroes would still make WAY MORE than any films featuring just one of those characters.

Spider-Vader
11-19-2008, 11:24 PM
I don't see why Downey has to be young to play IM. I think all the physical stuff (testing the suit without the armor) is done & any real armor stuff can be done with a stunt actor. While Downey does the Stark stuff.

FaT_tONle
11-19-2008, 11:42 PM
I don't see why Downey has to be young to play IM. I think all the physical stuff (testing the suit without the armor) is done & any real armor stuff can be done with a stunt actor. While Downey does the Stark stuff.

I am not talking about playing Iron Man... I am talking about playing Iron Man for IM2/3 and Avengers... he was signed for only four films... They aren't making a film every year... he'll be in his late 40's by IM3. That will be all for Stark... although I wouldn't rule out a cameo or two beyond all of that.

bubbadoom
11-20-2008, 12:58 AM
Marvel should not let Avi near ANY of these films...

Spider-Vader
11-20-2008, 11:05 PM
Is he still at Marvel? I thought he quit.

Chewy
11-20-2008, 11:39 PM
He's been pushed out - he quit rather than falling any farther down the chain than he already had. He's still on in a "producer" role though, I believe, which really means nothing.

The Cap film Avi had been pushing for years before that, though, was a film that was set 1/4 in WWII and was mostly a "fish out of water story". Thank god Avi was kicked out when he was and not 3 years later, because otherwise that'd be the Cap flick we'd have.

CFE
11-21-2008, 02:44 AM
Thinking about it, I do kind of like the idea of Cap's solo film both taking place fully in WWII and ending in that time...

It's sort of like a cinematic parallel to the timeline of the comics:

Cap film = 40s
Avengers film = 60s

Because when Captain America was brought back by Lee in the 60s, there was a sense of pathos that Cap wouldn't have had...had he been allowed to continue his adventures beyond WWII (excluding those 50s stories anyway).

It would make Cap's solo film his own...his own world, his own story...his own adventure. And then to have him reappear in the 'Avengers' film and hurtle him into present day that abruptly rather than tag it to the end of the solo film would bolster a sense of Legend behind Rogers.

As for more WWII adventures than the film might allow...well...that's what an animated DTV or TV series tie-in is for :up:

One thing though...leave Stark out of "Captain America" ... I'm fully aware of his importance to the creation of the team, but not everyone's solo film needs to have RDJ tagging along...that goes for "Thor" to. What, is Tony gonna show up all of a sudden in Asgard???

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Rage
11-21-2008, 04:16 AM
I've always liked the idea of the whole film being a flashback/rememberance like Band of Brothers. You start it out with someone interviewing soldiers about Captain America and a specific mission (his final one) There should be a couple of soldiers remaining alive. They start recounting how inspirational he was and what a hero he was etc...

The voices ask one of them to start from the beginning.

And we get our first flashback of Steve's origin with his buddy's in NYC and how he wants into the army etc...

The movie can just play out from there on in. Introduce Bucky and the Red Skull etc... etc... etc...

In the end, after Cap is presumed dead we flash forward to the surviving soldiers being interviewed again talking about how he was the bravest man they had ever seen etc...It was the most selfless thing a man could do...etc..

They are all crying and visibly upset by the memory of Cap dying.

Then the voice (which is Samual Jackson's) asks the soldier if he could please come with him. They exit the room and head through this military style complex to a lab where we see Captain America laying on a table with all kinds of scientists standing around him.

We close in on the old veterans face as he visably gasps for air when he sees what he thinks is the perfeclty preserved corpse of Captain America. He begins to cry and says to the still unrevealed Samual L. Jackson that this is the man he knew as Captain America. The man asks if he can go down to the body and properly say his last respects, when we pull back to reveal Sam Jackson

Fury: Mr. Barnes, sir, that is not a corpes, this man is very much alive.

Cut to black. End credits.

Rage
11-21-2008, 04:20 AM
That is the "Ultimates" take on it where Bucky survives to be an old man and not become Winter Soldier. If you want a more 616 version....replace Bucky with one of Steves buddy's from NYC in the first act as the surviving veteran. I think that the Bucky story line has more depth and heart though.

Rage