How should Thor be handled in a movie?

[The Overlord]

How should Thor be handled in a movie? Should he have his Ultimate or 616 costume? Should people just accept he is a god like in the 616 universe or assume he is crazy like in the Ultimate Universe?

[Chris Wallace]

THere are threads on this. I hate the "Ultimate" version big time. I want a god who is proud of his Asgardian heritage & says "Have at thee!" right before he pounds a foe into jelly. I do not want a drunken, (presumed) delusional hippie with a torso lite-brite.

[Ronny Shade]

I like the way they handled Ultimate Thor. but what I like about it is really how people react to him more than the character himself.

[cerealkiller182]

Costume- current Thor costume. An updated classic.

Story- closer to 616 for sure. The first movie should take place in ancient times and probably should end with Ragnarok. HE comes to the 21st Century much like currently in the comics over the midwest

Avengers dynamic- Ultimate verse. Everyone just thinks he's crazy and that he really isnt a god.

[Spider-Vader]

I think his movie should be in Asgard.
I think at first people don't believe Thor's a god, but then Odin gets involved (especially if Loki's in the Avengers) & they believe him.

[The Overlord]

THere are threads on this. I hate the "Ultimate" version big time. I want a god who is proud of his Asgardian heritage & says "Have at thee!" right before he pounds a foe into jelly. I do not want a drunken, (presumed) delusional hippie with a torso lite-brite.


Well can you direct me towards one?

Here's my problem with 616 Thor, why does everyone just accept he is a Norse god? Shouldn't a lot of religious people find that offensive in MU?

[Rich Santoro]

^ It seems that he isn't just going to become known the world like how Stark held a press conference. Will their be a formal introduction of each character to the masses??? Or will the Avengers just start doing their thing, and the public slowly becomes aware of these heros operating out there???

And I have always taken it that the Marvel gods where never supposed to be depicted as the embodiment or creators of natural forces like they are in the actual mythos (Like Apollo really rides a flaming chariot across the sky, and Thor really being the creator the weather systems)... They are just super-natural beings with the power to control these forces (Thor can manipulate weather, but it is still a naturally occuring phenomenon)...

So, play down any pagan ideas around Thor, and play up the extra-dimensional being aspect.

[Venom'sDad]

Well Thor is a tricky character to bring to the silver screen

[Rich Santoro]

^ agreed... Do we want Thor to be an otherworldy Fantasy Adventure??? A Heroic Worlds Collide epic, a Sci-Fi Action flick???

[jab1118]

^ It seems that he isn't just going to become known the world like how Stark held a press conference. Will their be a formal introduction of each character to the masses??? Or will the Avengers just start doing their thing, and the public slowly becomes aware of these heros operating out there???

And I have always taken it that the Marvel gods where never supposed to be dipicted as the embodiment or creators of natural forces like they are in the actual mythos (Like Hermes really rides a flaming chariot across the sky, and Thor really being the creator the weather systems)... They are just super-natural beings with the power to control these forces (Thor can manipulate weather, but it is still a naturally occuring phenomenon)...

So, play down any pagan ideas around Thor, and play up the extra-dimensional being aspect.

I like that and it would make sense that more primitive humans would worship these superpowered beings because of what they could do

[Venom'sDad]

^ agreed... Do we want Thor to be an otherworldy Fantasy Adventure??? A Heroic Worlds Collide epic, a Sci-Fi Action flick???
Honestly, I think we are going to get a piece of all three.... not saying that's the route I would take; but, I can see Marvel going that route because of the complexity of the character origin and being.

[Spidey-Quad]

616 babe, all the way. I'm thinking the movie end with~"A lesion in H-U-M-I-L-I-T-Y~ a certain cane in a cave~ Dr. Donald Blake's name being called over a hospitals intercom system. P-E-R-F-E-C-T

[Chris Wallace]

Well can you direct me towards one?

Here's my problem with 616 Thor, why does everyone just accept he is a Norse god? Shouldn't a lot of religious people find that offensive in MU?
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=313015
And as I recall, the authenticity of Thor's claims of divine heritage has been repeatedly called into question. Even among his own teammates. I remember reading stories in which Douchebag-I mean, Iron Man just flat out didn't buy it. Many have questioned the existence of Asgard itself, & I recall a theory being bandied about that Thor & Co. were aliens. And think about it-if you believed you were talking to a god, would you be so quick to give him orders as so many people he's come in contact with do?

[Ronny Shade]

Is Iron Man a douchebag because he doesn't believe Thor or because....he's a douchebag?

[Lebeau]

No, he's just a douchebag.

I think they need to play up both sides of Thor - him in Asgard and Donald Blake. I think this is especially important if they're going to fuse him into the Avengers universe, Iron Man, Hulk, Cap can all be shoved in together easily enough, but having a Thor movie based around Asgard is going to be very difficult to integrate.

If I were writing a Thor script, I'd start it in the Asgardian realm, maybe kick off somewhere wicked like Niffelheim for a massive opening battle scene. Whilst Thor is battling frost giants or some such, there can be cutaways to Loki manipulating Heimdall into allowing his crossing of the Bifrost Bridge to Midgard (strictly not correct, but why not set it up where the crossing into Earth is forbidden?) By battle's end (obviously with some awesome shot of Thor standing atop several fallen giants) he returns to Asgard, cocky as hell, dragging the corpse of a 30 foot frost giant in his wake. He dumps said corpse at the feet of Odin who berates him for senseless murder, yadda yadda. Maybe the frost giant is important in some way or form and Thor was too blinded by his ideas of conquering the giants to notice.

So from here, Thor is fused with Donald Blake. Cut to 'paging Donald Blake' or whatever, show the state he's in, establish his character, the cane, etc. Meanwhile strange events are happening as the president vetoes legislation like crazy, as buildings are inexplicably demolished, Condeeleza Rice is declothed during a press conference, etc...various acts of suspiciously relevant mischief. Lead Donald Blake to the cane, lead to the release of Thor, see him track down Loki, but he has returned to Niffleheim. Meanwhile, the frost giants rally to invade Asgard at Loki's doing. Have Blake coming to terms with embodying the god of thunder whilst something sketchy is going on back at the hospital.

For the Third Act, the Frost Giants attack Asgard whilst Loki returns to Earth to cause his biggest act of mischief yet...it's Hollywood right? So it's most likely going to be altered by studio execs to become a nuclear threat, but take it what you will. Now Donald Blake is torn by the patient he's having trouble with, his own love life, and the god within who's the only one who can stop Loki's magic on Earth and needs to return to Asgard to defend it. Here, Blake resigns defeat, slams the cane and Thor departs to battle Loki...cue massive battle scene on Earth, with shots like Thor's hammer driving Loki through the empire state, etc. Cut between this battle to the gods battling the Frost Giants, meanwhile Blake's patient dies, his love interest leaves and so on. Thor eventually defeats Loki and drags him to Asgard which is in ruins, only a few of the gods left standing: Baldur, the Warriors Three, whoever else fits the bill. In one last weary attack Thor and the gods defeat the Frost Giants. Loki is thrust into the hands of Odin who does what he does best; creative punishments for his sons. Thor, jaded by Odin's decision to keep Loki in Asgard as a god on strict conditions, returns to Earth where he returns to the Donald Blake persona who wearily falls fast asleep in his apartment. Fade to black.

Open shortly after to Blake's apartment, two legs kick strewn clothes and garbage out of the way as they shuffle towards Blake's bed. Camera pans up to Nick Fury, Tony Stark and Steve Rogers.

Fury: ...so they call you the god of the thunder?

[Chris Wallace]

Is Iron Man a douchebag because he doesn't believe Thor or because....he's a douchebag?

Because he's a douchebag.
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And everything in-between.

[Ronny Shade]

just checkin'

[Rich Santoro]

I have made several separate posts on what could be a good approach for Thor... I will endeavor to compile them into a comprehensive concept, and see if it works (this is gonna be long):

The movie opens showing the formation of the cosmic egg. We see stars and galaxies all collapsing into the center of the universe (and glowing mass). Eventually it is totally dark except for a single pin of light... then BOOM, the big bang occurs. We see a ripple of matter and energy turn into some kind of turbulence hurling through space (this spins and morphs and esentially becomes a pocket dimension, known as Asgard). We move inside and we see a huge battle going on. Thor has incited the conflict, and though he and other gods defeat the Frost Giants Odin is mad because the battle nearly brought about ragnorak (it has happenned before, and all of Asgard was destroyed, needing to be reformed over eons).

Thor is essentially banished to Earth to learn about mortality and loss, and comes to reside in the body of a deceased Dr. Blake (ala Heaven Can Wait, where Warren Beatty's character is put into the body of another person at the precise moment that person dies). There is a scene where we get a first person view for the movie-goer, soaring over the sea and land closing in on Earth. We slowly decrease in altitude, so that we can start to hear the ambient noise of the city below... the sounds of sirens begin to become noticeable... We get very close to ground-level and see firemen trying to get someone out a twisted car-wreck, he checks for vitals, and says, "He's gone"...

Then with a gasp, the guy sits up sharply... the scene cuts away and fades in to a hostpital room. The guy (we discover is Dr. Blake) is having trouble remembering what's happenning, and the movie moves forward with the Blake character re-adjusting after the accident and getting back into the swing of being a doctor. Everyday that he faces a medical situation is like a new revelation to him (of challenge, and drama, instensity, and a lesson in the human condition)... He is slowly able to settle into a life as a doctor, by way of recovering Blake's doctor knowledge... he still doesn't realize that he is Thor, and he does not realize that these are Blake's memories (ala RoboCop... seeing images from Peter Weller's cop character's life).

Interspersed are scenes where Thor / Blake wakes up in cold sweats, from very vivid dreams of battle scenarios and Asgardian monsters. Loki comes a calling on Earth, to get revenge against Thor. He tracks him to Blake... and bit of a psycological thriller ensues. Eventually Thor has total recal and discovers that he is Thor within the body of a fallen Dr. Blake, sharing his memories. We find out that Loki came to Midgard by making a deal with the Enchantress... creating an additional plot device for the introduction of her as a villain in a future film, or even in a component of the Thor movie...

As Loki hounds Thor (he wants him to remember who he is, to make his revenge sweet), Thor realizes the cane that he has been using from the car accident injury is Mjolinir, and voila... The battle ensues trashing Blake's home setting it ablaze. (Loki heads out of there, and Thor pauses for a moment to regard Blake's body, which has been vacated... lying on the floor as the flames grow in the house. Tor is somber for moment, and says something to the effect that though he knows that Blake's consciousness has long-ago flown from this mortal shell, he wants to thank Blake for all that he did in life. His good works and commitment to helping others has shown him the way to true honor and nobility. He bows and flys out... The idea is the loose end in tied up with Blake being romoved from the picture... it would be reported that he died in the fire).

As the fighting goes on (out over a body of water... perhaps a Lake, so people see something going on, but it is too far away... lighting and storm clouds crashing and swirling... Loki summons some Frost giants through a portal and the water touching the portal freezes creating and ice island for the battle)... Then there is a sequence where Loki mentions to Thor "I know you can feel the very life-force of the this world flowing all around you. Brother, you are made of Midgard... it is were you belong... That is why our Father sent you here really. Let us not squabble... Together we could rule this realm beyond even as the gods did long ago... You can be as Odin here. Thor, hesitates to ponder that he is born of Midgard (Gaea being his mother and all), and he feels the forces that Loki speaks of. But he no longer craves power the way that Loki does. He state that his time on Midgard has shown him the real value of existance in this universe... he expresses that he has learned about helping others, and protecting those in need... Back to figting action.

Of course Thor wins... and Loki is sucked back to Asgard. Thor flies off to a cave somewhere to meditate and commune with Odin. He explains to Odin about his redemption and the possibility of returning to Asgard... Then Odin informs him of other recent events on Midgard, and the need for a protector... Odins tells Thor that he has a new calling to serve the mortals. He does as instructed, and stays in Midgard...

Now... All the conflict, and trans-dimensional energy, sets off SHIELD sensors and IM is sent to investigate. Thor hears something and looks up... He sees and object zoom in from overhead and land nearby. He walks to the top of a nearby hilltop to get a better look. An armored figure looks up at him, and Thor says "What is your purpose?". The close of IM2 has the same scene, but from IM's perspective... (or Coulson shows Fury some photos of the conflict, and satellite images to track THor to the cave... Fury says contact Stark to go check it out... then the hilltop scene).

Later in the Avengers film, there is a scene where Cap saves the day by wieilding Mjolinir (I prefer the idea of Cap using it, after Thor is knocked aside, to crush the Cosmic Cube). Thor determines that the universe has revealed to him the most noble and pure-hearted warrior... and he commits to fighting by his side for all time.

[Chris Wallace]

Hmmm-again, not bad.

[The Overlord]

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=313015
And as I recall, the authenticity of Thor's claims of divine heritage has been repeatedly called into question. Even among his own teammates. I remember reading stories in which Douchebag-I mean, Iron Man just flat out didn't buy it. Many have questioned the existence of Asgard itself, & I recall a theory being bandied about that Thor & Co. were aliens. And think about it-if you believed you were talking to a god, would you be so quick to give him orders as so many people he's come in contact with do?

But wouldn't it be more natural that most people would think Thor is crazy, if he claimed to be a god, instead of just doubting his claim?

[Rich Santoro]

In a universe full of superheros, one might just think that he took a bath in toxic waste or ate 10 pounds of uranium to get his powers... and went batty in the process...

[Vartha]

I say the 616 Thor with the Ages of Thunder costume in most of the viking era and the new costume in the present.

[Chris Wallace]

But wouldn't it be more natural that most people would think Thor is crazy, if he claimed to be a god, instead of just doubting his claim?

Okay-it's not people's reaction to Thor that I have a problem with; (in "Ultimate" continuity.) it's his personality. He doesn't carry himself like a prince or a god. He comes off like a damn hippie. The techno-belt makes no sense if he's a god, & too many other elements support the idea that he's just delusional. When the Ultimates took him down by stripping his belt, I believed he was just a nut with gadgets. That's not how Thor should be presented, ever. And as for people thinking he's crazy vs. doubting his claims, then much like what people say about Jesus, your options are lord, liar or lunatic. If you don't think he's a god, then you must think he's crazy-either that or you just think he's full of dung.
Bottom like-this is Thor.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/frankenstang351/thor-turner.jpghttp://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o445/bnjmn_gilbert/Thor01CvrTurner.jpg
This is not.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee161/Livebetes/ultimate_thor.jpg

[Venom'sDad]

I say the 616 Thor with the Ages of Thunder costume in most of the viking era and the new costume in the present.

Here's a question......... With or WithOut the Cape?

[Rich Santoro]

Here's a question......... With or WithOut the Cape?

With... it adds to the regal appearance. Really, Thor is one of the only characters, where it makes sense to have a cape.

[Chris Wallace]

Here's a question......... With or WithOut the Cape?

WITH.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/Thor.jpg
Yes to the cape, no to the silly torso lights.

[marcvader]

616. I want a cape on him as well. Hate ultimate Thor.

[Chewy]

WITH.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/Thor.jpg
Yes to the cape, no to the silly torso lights.
This. Except the torso lights can stay, but they should be smaller and the two which are below the belt DEFINITELY have to go.

[Chris Wallace]

No-those aren't torso lights.^
I'm referring to what "Ultimate" drunken-hippie Thor wears.

[Chewy]

Gotcha

[Weadazoid]

seriously it's so sad....he doesn't still look like this

http://www.mikex.me.uk/misc/conan/thumbnails/conan_mq_048cd.jpg

http://www.mikex.me.uk/misc/conan/index_2.htm



but it makes you think that gear he is wearing is pretty damn good looking for that long ago. Gives us hope

[Paradox1]

A little bit of both is gonna please most people. I think some people will think he's a god and other will doubt him til he does something Godly. Like bring someone back from the dead. His costume no doubt has to be the current one forget the lights. On another note the Ultimates 3 ruined the Ultimates for me.

[Weadazoid]

I never thought of them as lights. I always figured they were raised metalic jobs.... metalic pieces of Armor.




Thor is Marvels answer to Superman so of Course/.... keep the red cape, it's regal.

[Team Andino]

Id like if they gave him his classic look but change a thing or two slightly to make it work and the only thing to keep from the ultimate comics is that people think hes crazy.

[GNR]

The armor in the current Thor one shots by Matt Fraction would be PERFECT for the movie.

[Chris Wallace]

I never thought of them as lights. I always figured they were raised metalic jobs.... metalic pieces of Armor.




Thor is Marvels answer to Superman so of Course/.... keep the red cape, it's regal.

Ok-THESE are not lights, but rather the raised metallic armor you took them to be.
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I am referring to these things as lights.
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Notice how they're cracked in the first image? THey light up, as does his belt, which has been proven to be the source of his power.:facepalm
How do y'all feel about this look?
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[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Bottom like-this is Thor.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g293/frankenstang351/thor-turner.jpg

Not to be stuffy, but that's the Thor clone. Not Thor.

This is not.
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee161/Livebetes/ultimate_thor.jpg

I still have no clue why he has the blue whatchamacallits on his chest. Besides looking gaudy instead of awesome, they don't make me think of a Norse god. Mjolnir looks more like something Beta Ray Bill would use in that pic.

It'd be cool if they used Coipel's take on Thor for a movie. A few modifications for live action and you could make a credible yet faithful design.

[Paradox1]

This is what they need to have in the movie

http://marshianchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/thor_1.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

This is what they need to have in the movie

http://marshianchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/thor_1.jpg

Preaching to the choir, dude.

[Chris Wallace]

Not to be stuffy, but that's the Thor clone. Not Thor.


I meant appearance-wise. DOn't nit-pick.

[Paradox1]

Preaching to the choir, dude.

This Thor is so badass without going to far away from the original.

[Venom'sDad]

Preaching to the choir, dude.

Same here.... however, he should not wear the helmet until he redeems himself... than Odin should anoint/knight him by placing it on his head than from that point on, he should be known as The Mighty Thor.

[Chris Wallace]

I like that idea.

[Vartha]

As do I. makes sense, tho I'd use the Helmet used in Ages of Thunder in the begining, THEN the Classic Chrome Helm at the end.

[3dman27]

as a well intentioned, albeit arrogant [at first] hero

[Weadazoid]

as a well intentioned, albeit arrogant [at first] hero





I think if his arrogance equates to others thinking he is crazy I am all for it...... it makes sense.

I am OK with Chain Mail....not sure why a god needs chain mail though.


Perhaps a battle with the Hulk could rid him of it in the Avengers movie.

[3dman27]

I think if his arrogance equates to others thinking he is crazy I am all for it...... it makes sense.

I am OK with Chain Mail....not sure why a god needs chain mail though.


Perhaps a battle with the Hulk could rid him of it in the Avengers movie.

in asgard chain mail could be appropriate for a warrior fighting opponents of equal power against mortals that may seem redundant

[Marz69]

Is Iron Man a douchebag because he doesn't believe Thor or because....he's a douchebag?
Now, I’m picturing a scenario where Stark doesn’t believe Thor’s a God/Alien. And gives him some nickname like “weatherman” to F with him. Then when Iron is flying about, a pissed off Thor strikes him down with thunder. :oldrazz:

This is what they need to have in the movie

http://marshianchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/thor_1.jpg
I'm not big into the cape; however if they use this kind of subtle color rather than the bright red, it would work and fit into the times, much like how they wore capes in LOTR. I just don't want bright cheesy colors. The black (or navy blue) and this burnt orange (or wine) would be good. And I don't need the circles/metals under his belt that look like displaced balls.

I do want Thor to have some type of beard. It doesn't have to be thick. Just not clean shaven.

[Paradox1]

Now, I’m picturing a scenario where Stark doesn’t believe Thor’s a God/Alien. And gives him some nickname like “weatherman” to F with him. Then when Iron is flying about, a pissed off Thor strikes him down with thunder. :oldrazz:


I'm not big into the cape; however if they use this kind of subtle color rather than the bright red, it would work and fit into the times, much like how they wore capes in LOTR. I just don't want bright cheesy colors. The black (or navy blue) and this burnt orange (or wine) would be good. And I don't need the circles/metals under his belt that look like displaced balls.

I do want Thor to have some type of beard. It doesn't have to be thick. Just not clean shaven.

The circles at the bottom could go it doesn't add anything. I'm not a cape guy either but certain characters should wear a cape. I think this costume is really cool though.

[The Overlord]

You know what, I never liked the girly hair Thor or the fact he hardly ever has a beard in the 616 universe. He supposed to a warrior god, not a metro GQ model.

[Venom'sDad]

I always thought a goatee would be nice...

[3dman27]

thor with a goatee?? might work

[marcvader]

Hey Conan didn't have any facial hair and I think he really didn't give off a girly vibe, unless you have other tastes...:cwink:

[ThatOneGuy]

Hey Conan didn't have any facial hair and I think he really didn't give off a girly vibe, unless you have other tastes...:cwink:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/8203/conanbeardfw9.jpg

[Paradox1]

Like the other guy said Conan did not have facial hair and I surely didn't think gurley man. I'm more worried about his costume and the presentation of Asgard as a whole.

[Chris Wallace]

I have no objections to facial hair. But I won't poke my lip out if he's clean-shaven & everything else about him looks cool.

[havok5]

grace jones as hela, goddess of death!

[Paradox1]

grace jones as hela, goddess of death!

I think Wednesday from Adam Family movies would be a good Hela.

[3dman27]

I think Wednesday from Adam Family movies would be a good Hela.

christina ricci as hela?hmm

[Still A ThorFan]

From Marvel.com Joey Q says......

SteakFace_Sneaks asks:
On Twitter, you said the Thor movie will rock. Why? Tell us, 'cause I don't know what's happening with it.

JQ: Quite simply, I've had the pleasure of discussing story direction with Kevin Feige at Marvel West and what they have in mind is going to absolutely blow everyone away. Quite simply, it's Thor, our Thor, Marvel's Thor. I think every Marvel fan will be thrilled with what's on tap.

[Venom'sDad]

:eek: WOW... that told us alot. :rolleyes:

I think Singer said the same about Superman.

[broblacksteel]

well even if thor is very heavy on the acting/drama, he will have at least 4-7 fight sequences, ACTUAL fights...not some superman bull....i still cant believe how boring that movie was... :cmad:

[Changeling]

Look three posts down for the real post....

[Spidey-Quad]

I heart Christina Ricci, she was incredible in "Black Snake Moan" a very under rated movie. I can't figure out who your mad at Changling, but I hope it isn't "Still Thorfan" cause I want his post to be true!!!!

[Changeling]

No I'm pissed at broblacksteel. He's annoying as hell. I'll edit the post so you can see easier who I'm ranting at.

[Changeling]

well even if thor is very heavy on the acting/drama, he will have at least 4-7 fight sequences, ACTUAL fights...not some superman bull....i still cant believe how boring that movie was... :cmad:

broblacksteel!! DUDE SHUT UP! YOU DONT HAVE SOURCES! You were like OMG, there's gonna be a big huge announcement in November! NOTHING HAPPENED IN NOVEMEBER! And dude...Marvel would know if someone was leaking information by now, and they definitely havent done anything about you since youre still acting like you know it all...And the stuff about the "Marvel Bodyguards right by me...I cant say much" is so lame...If you ACTUALLY had Marvel Bodyguards right by you, they wouldnt let you say ****...no one believes you...youre only fooling noobs

[broblacksteel]

changeling...u can kiss my a**, first i am NOT in control of when an announcement is made (it was based on 2nd hand info from a reliable source, OBVIOUSLY k.b. had not made his choice yet), secondly kenneth will cast when he is ready..third, i cleared up a few things a few posts back about who i know and what i do....

btw, me mentioning the fights were based on the DAMN SCRIPT that everyone has access to by now.... :whatever:

[Spidey-Quad]

I think most of us, at least myself, are starved for any information about Thor, Cap, or The Avengers that its easy to get duped. I'm guilty of jumping threads to the end thus missing some of the treads history, so please excuse. I'd just love to hear anything about the above, like "we like the script, or we're narrowing a star(s), or even tenative start dates.

Btw, I didn't mean to start anything between you two. In hind sight I should have just read the earlier posts. My bad

[Changeling]

changeling...u can kiss my a**, first i am NOT in control of when an announcement is made (it was based on 2nd hand info from a reliable source, OBVIOUSLY k.b. had not made his choice yet), secondly kenneth will cast when he is ready..third, i cleared up a few things a few posts back about who i know and what i do.... so be a fan boy, go back to your basement, clock in to your sucking 9 to 5, while i work on movie sets and have 1st hand knowledge as to what is going on the industry while u read websites and wait for the trades...

nothing personal to ANYONE on here, but u tried to pull my card homie.. so f*** you now and f*** you later..... peace....

btw, me mentioning the fights were based on the DAMN SCRIPT that everyone has access to by now.... :whatever:

Just for the record...I'm a freshman in High School, douchebag. AND second of all, youre such a FAKE! No one believes you. That BULL**** about you having f***ing body guards right by you is so childish and unbelievable. The bodyguards would be stopping you immediately from writing about OMG Kenneth Branaugh's first choice for Thor is Kevin McKidd!! Youre soooo lame. Youre only trying to get a cheap thrill for lying your ass off to noobs that are so gullible that they actually believe you.

Ass.

[Joker's Lackey]

The movie should take place in asgard for the entire movie, where Loki manipulates the Frost Giants and the Asgard Gods into War. Movie Ends with Loki leaving for Midgard and Thor following to stop Loki(Sets up plot for Avengers).

Cast Philip Winchester as Thor, Henry Cavill as Loki, Abbie Cornish as Sif, Melissa George as the Enchantress, Ian McShane as Odin and Ciaran hinds as a Frost Giant King(Laufey?)

[protocida]

Thor movie: A real Asgardian God of Thunder. Whe see Asgard, Odin, Loki, Hel and everything that makes Thor... Thor.

The Avengers movie: Thor is considered a hero, but he's also considered a nutcase for saying that he's a Norse God. SHIELD belives he's just a superhuman (It would be cool if they said he's "just another mutant") and the public believes he's just a superhero. Specially because he don't go public talking about Asgard and things like that. He's a silent, watchfull protector. At the ending (Or in a sequel), the Avengers confirm he's a real God.

[Spidey-Quad]

^^Protocida, I like it. Call Feige and make it so.(sorry if I butched his name)

[Paradox1]

I think the Thor movie should be fantasy like with magic an everything nothing is explained how it works. You as a viewer just accepts it to be true.

Then in the Avengers movie everything that happened in the Thor movie's is actually showed to be a product of super intelligent race of inter dimensional aliens. The rainbow bridge would actually be a wormhole, and raganok(would be the death of a universe). IF any of you have ever seen Star Trek the Next Generation. The Asgard and The Nine Worlds could be similar to the race of Q and Q continuum.

[SuperKoala]

watch the incredible hulk returns and you'll have your answer

[broblacksteel]

sighs, u took one literal comment and didn't read between the lines...(i.e. the bodyguard stuff...) was and example of not being able to give to much info without getting a source/friend in trouble...

look lil homie, i am not looking for anyone to believe me about info...but it does NOT benefit me to lie or exaggerate about what i was told or heard.

Just give it about another 2months and this topic of who is thor will be null and void once the casting announcement happens....

[Venom'sDad]

Thor movie: A real Asgardian God of Thunder. Whe see Asgard, Odin, Loki, Hel and everything that makes Thor... Thor.

The Avengers movie: Thor is considered a hero, but he's also considered a nutcase for saying that he's a Norse God. SHIELD belives he's just a superhuman (It would be cool if they said he's "just another mutant") and the public believes he's just a superhero. Specially because he don't go public talking about Asgard and things like that. He's a silent, watchfull protector. At the ending (Or in a sequel), the Avengers confirm he's a real God.

Sounds good on paper and, but no.

[Changeling]

sighs, u took one literal comment and didn't read between the lines...(i.e. the bodyguard stuff...) was and example of not being able to give to much info without getting a source/friend in trouble...

look lil homie, i am not looking for anyone to believe me about info...but it does NOT benefit me to lie or exaggerate about what i was told or heard.

Just give it about another 2months and this topic of who is thor will be null and void once the casting announcement happens....

Wasnt that already knowledge to about every Thor fan? If there wasnt any info on casting within two months wed probably know that the movie is in development hell.
But whatever man. I dont wanna get in **** with ya

[lowly marvelite]

He's going to be a tough one to cast...I mean I can't imagine any actor that could pull off Thor and look the role too (6'6", 640 lbs...). Also, I've heard the movie is going in the direction of the original, mythological Thor...that's a mistake if they want to later cast him in the Avengers movie. And I would say leave the "thee" and "thous" out of it and go for a more "Lord of the Rings" speech pattern that indicates an ancient world but sidesteps the whole Shaspearean speech pattern. And as powerful as Thor is, I want to see the most stunning displays of superhuman strength ever seen on screen...not to mention his other powers. Maybe Superman beat Thor in the crossover (a popularity contest, no less...) but I want to see Superman one upped in the Thor movie...

[Chris Wallace]

watch the incredible hulk returns and you'll have your answer

NO! That was a horrible portrayal of Thor & everyone involved.

[Chris Wallace]

Thor movie: A real Asgardian God of Thunder. Whe see Asgard, Odin, Loki, Hel and everything that makes Thor... Thor.

The Avengers movie: Thor is considered a hero, but he's also considered a nutcase for saying that he's a Norse God. SHIELD belives he's just a superhuman (It would be cool if they said he's "just another mutant") and the public believes he's just a superhero. Specially because he don't go public talking about Asgard and things like that. He's a silent, watchfull protector. At the ending (Or in a sequel), the Avengers confirm he's a real God.

Confirm how? Publicly? B/c that would cause such a huge uproar it's not even funny.

[Paradox1]

He's going to be a tough one to cast...I mean I can't imagine any actor that could pull off Thor and look the role too (6'6", 640 lbs...). Also, I've heard the movie is going in the direction of the original, mythological Thor...that's a mistake if they want to later cast him in the Avengers movie. And I would say leave the "thee" and "thous" out of it and go for a more "Lord of the Rings" speech pattern that indicates an ancient world but sidesteps the whole Shaspearean speech pattern. And as powerful as Thor is, I want to see the most stunning displays of superhuman strength ever seen on screen...not to mention his other powers. Maybe Superman beat Thor in the crossover (a popularity contest, no less...) but I want to see Superman one upped in the Thor movie...


I don't think ancient Norsemen talked like Shakspearean actors. As shakspearean is stylized way of speech that was created long after the Norse men mythios had been died out due to Christian influence. As far as casting of Thor goes , the best rendition of Herclues was played by Kevin Sorbo who is hardly Hercluesh . In all fairness Stan Lee really ripped the whole idea of Thor from there mythology.

[Rich Santoro]

In all fairness Stan Lee really ripped the whole idea of Thor from there mythology.

Which is why KB said that Marvel "raided" the mythology in a real cool way (paraphrasing).

I insist on hearing Thor say "Verily"... plus a bit of a scuffle where Thor intervenes to stop Hulk from hurting someone... he catched Hulk's punch and says, "Stay thy hand brute". Thor must talk with that classic flare.

[Paradox1]

If he talks like he does in the new animated Cartoon Hulk vs Thor I'll be ok with it.

[WillardNation]

Thor HAS to speak the way he does in the comics, otherwise it's just not Thor. In related news, I talked to a guy at the bar tonight who looked more like Thor than any actor anybody has talked about, unfortunately he was from Texas and I'm pretty sure he wasn't an actor, but out of all the people I talked to, he was the only person who actually knew who Thor was.

[WillardNation]

and yes, I realize how sad it is that I'm having these conversations when I'm at a bar, but I really can't emphasize enough how much this guy looked just like Thor.

[broblacksteel]

IESB did a script review on Mark Protosevich's draft awhile back in August 2007. Of course there have been I am sure several re-writes since that time, as scripts do, but the script dealt only with Thor in his native land of Asgard, his father issues with Odin and his battle with his brother turned evil-doer Loki with hopes of Asgard domination with no mention of the modern world.

We are now getting word that there has been an addition to the end of the Asgard driven Thor story that very much gives credence to further Thor stories and how Marvel plans to bring everything together for the Avengers film due out in 2011 a question even Tony Stark himself pondered, Downey Jr. said to MTV, "The danger you run with colliding all these worlds is [director] Jon [Favreau] was very certain that 'Iron Man' should be set in a very realistic world. Nothing that happened in 'Iron Man' is really outside the realm of possibility. Once you start talking about Valhalla and supersized super soldiers and jolly green giants it warrants much further discussion."

A reliable source tells the IESB that the character of Donald Blake has been added to the end of the script. Let me reiterate that he wasn't there before, the script was set entirely in the land of the Norse Gods.

The introduction of the character is essential to how Marvel will tie Thor into the Avengers that is set in contemporary Tony Stark/Hulk timeframe. It explains how the actual Thor film will be set in the ancient time of the Norse Gods and how they will subsequently bring the character into a modern time with Donald Blake discovering the magical Norse hammer Mjolnir and turning into Thor.

Now is Thor sent to live amongst the humans with no memory of his life as Thor until he finds the hammer as in the comic book? I would have to assume so but this will all happen after we see Thor in his native land battling other Norse Gods in Asgard in order for the audience to learn his backstory.

Now can they explain all this using an epilogue approach a la Samuel L. Jackson in Iron Man with the main story still focusing on the Thor character in Asgard or does the Blake character and his storyline have a bigger role?

Don't know for sure, but he's been added says our source. Take it as a rumor if you need to but it makes complete sense.

We've also been told that director Kenneth Branagh will have an acting part in the film as well - a throw back to Jon Favreau's role in Iron Man. Guess Louis Leterrier missed that boat as he didn't appear in The Incredible Hulk.

One more thing, no J. Michael Straczynski is not doing the current re-write of the script, he has confirmed this repeatedly.

Stay tuned for more THOR news from the IESB!

(gee wonder who said this MONTHS ago hmmmm...) :whatever:

[Changeling]

It could be assumed since theyre making a Avengers movie. Its the perfect way to tie in Thor to the Avengers.

[Vartha]

One problem with that, artical and I posted in the other Thor Thread. JMS is quoted as saying he DID finish rewrites.

[chiefchirpa]

Latest quote says he's not.

JMS is probably acting like Matt Fraction to John Favreau: not as a script writer but the advisor who checks if the writing is in line with modern take of the characters.

[Vartha]

That's what I'm thinking too Chief.

[Paradox1]

After reading Man of War I'm starting to think that this movie shouldn't be about Thor being the traditional hero. To put it bluntly this story should be similar to a biblical story, the story of the first, most beloved of all. If your not up on your bible the first becomes full of himself believing his power greater than the all-father which gets him cast out of heaven. At the end Thor and Odin could square off in a epic battle.

[Obi-Ron]

The Thor Movie should:


be called "The Mighty Thor"
use Jack Kirby's designs for the gleaming spires of Asgard. And name him as an official designer in the credits.
Have the "thees" and "thous" and "aye, verily's!"....possibly only when Thor speaks in modern times though
feature Brian Blessed as Odin and Stan Lee as Vizier.
end with a newly Thored-up Don Blake seeing reports of Stone Men attacking (or perhaps the Hulk...) and running into battle
remember all the important mythological Asgardians (Balder, Heimdall...how cool would it be to see him at the edge of Bifrost blowing that warning horn of his...) as well as Marvel originals like Valkyrie, the Warriors Three and Amora.
have it's own Hype forum and a Thor smiley as well! Forsooth!
Should use "U Can't Touch This" in commercials - hammertime! :woot:

[3dman27]

The Thor Movie should:


be called "The Mighty Thor"
use Jack Kirby's designs for the gleaming spires of Asgard. And name him as an official designer in the credits.
Have the "thees" and "thous" and "aye, verily's!"....possibly only when Thor speaks in modern times though
feature Brian Blessed as Odin and Stan Lee as Vizier.
end with a newly Thored-up Don Blake seeing reports of Stone Men attacking (or perhaps the Hulk...) and running into battle
remember all the important mythological Asgardians (Balder, Heimdall...how cool would it be to see him at the edge of Bifrost blowing that warning horn of his...) as well as Marvel originals like Valkyrie, the Warriors Three and Amora.
have it's own Hype forum and a Thor smiley as well! Forsooth!


quoted for truth

[Aztec]

Karl Urban for Thor?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/gallery/2003/12/05/eomer2dff626.jpg

[broblacksteel]

urban is on tron 2 for the next 4-5mths, so no thor for him...

[Ratcrawler]

Techno Viking IS Thor.
http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m51/bushi138/Creation_of_Techno_Viking.jpg

[Tyrinus]

They've got quite a challenge ahead to bring a Norse God into the "realistic" world they created in Iron Man. All the other characters can be explained in the realm of science to a degree, but to throw in religion and gods is another matter. I look forward to seeing how they pull it off.

[Carlo Comicus]

IESB did a script review on Mark Protosevich's draft awhile back in August 2007. Of course there have been I am sure several re-writes since that time, as scripts do, but the script dealt only with Thor in his native land of Asgard, his father issues with Odin and his battle with his brother turned evil-doer Loki with hopes of Asgard domination with no mention of the modern world.

We are now getting word that there has been an addition to the end of the Asgard driven Thor story that very much gives credence to further Thor stories and how Marvel plans to bring everything together for the Avengers film due out in 2011 a question even Tony Stark himself pondered, Downey Jr. said to MTV, "The danger you run with colliding all these worlds is [director] Jon [Favreau] was very certain that 'Iron Man' should be set in a very realistic world. Nothing that happened in 'Iron Man' is really outside the realm of possibility. Once you start talking about Valhalla and supersized super soldiers and jolly green giants it warrants much further discussion."

A reliable source tells the IESB that the character of Donald Blake has been added to the end of the script. Let me reiterate that he wasn't there before, the script was set entirely in the land of the Norse Gods.

The introduction of the character is essential to how Marvel will tie Thor into the Avengers that is set in contemporary Tony Stark/Hulk timeframe. It explains how the actual Thor film will be set in the ancient time of the Norse Gods and how they will subsequently bring the character into a modern time with Donald Blake discovering the magical Norse hammer Mjolnir and turning into Thor.

Now is Thor sent to live amongst the humans with no memory of his life as Thor until he finds the hammer as in the comic book? I would have to assume so but this will all happen after we see Thor in his native land battling other Norse Gods in Asgard in order for the audience to learn his backstory.

Now can they explain all this using an epilogue approach a la Samuel L. Jackson in Iron Man with the main story still focusing on the Thor character in Asgard or does the Blake character and his storyline have a bigger role?

Don't know for sure, but he's been added says our source. Take it as a rumor if you need to but it makes complete sense.

We've also been told that director Kenneth Branagh will have an acting part in the film as well - a throw back to Jon Favreau's role in Iron Man. Guess Louis Leterrier missed that boat as he didn't appear in The Incredible Hulk.

One more thing, no J. Michael Straczynski is not doing the current re-write of the script, he has confirmed this repeatedly.

Stay tuned for more THOR news from the IESB!

(gee wonder who said this MONTHS ago hmmmm...) :whatever:

This news have no sense. I have the Protosevich script, and adds Donald Blake only in the final part of the script it's a stupid idea, this because the Protosevich script need a full rewrite. It's a horrible script with no correlation with the classic Thor of Marvel Universe.

[Aztec]

This news have no sense. I have the Protosevich script, and adds Donald Blake only in the final part of the script it's a stupid idea, this because the Protosevich script need a full rewrite. It's a horrible script with no correlation with the classic Thor of Marvel Universe.

The script has been rewritten. In fact that's kind of what the entire article is about...:confused:

[CaptainCanada]

The Thor Movie should:

Have the "thees" and "thous" and "aye, verily's!"....possibly only when Thor speaks in modern times though

One seriously doubts that; that's the #1 most campy aspect of the character, and one they've done away with in the comics. No doubt he'll speak formally.

[Carlo Comicus]

The script has been rewritten. In fact that's kind of what the entire article is about...:confused:

For you this is a full rewrite? I don't think.

[Aztec]

For you this is a full rewrite? I don't think.

They've been doing re-writes since the original script. This is just the latest version.

[broblacksteel]

and re writes will continue up until the shoot and even during the shoot changes will be made... (which is a normal thing).

[Spider-Vader]

Thor movie: A real Asgardian God of Thunder. Whe see Asgard, Odin, Loki, Hel and everything that makes Thor... Thor.

The Avengers movie: Thor is considered a hero, but he's also considered a nutcase for saying that he's a Norse God. SHIELD belives he's just a superhuman (It would be cool if they said he's "just another mutant") and the public believes he's just a superhero. Specially because he don't go public talking about Asgard and things like that. He's a silent, watchfull protector. At the ending (Or in a sequel), the Avengers confirm he's a real God.

I really like the mutant reference, they should totally do that to mess with Fox. :hehe:

[Paradox1]

They've got quite a challenge ahead to bring a Norse God into the "realistic" world they created in Iron Man. All the other characters can be explained in the realm of science to a degree, but to throw in religion and gods is another matter. I look forward to seeing how they pull it off.


A guy in a metal suit who can fly and shoot missiles and lasers from his hands, how real is that??

[Changeling]

Exactly. I hate the realism argument. Its a ****ing comic book for christ sake.

[Rich Santoro]

Exactly. I hate the realism argument. Its a ****ing comic book for christ sake.

Yeah, but com'on... there is a such thing as the suspension of disbelief. It is necessary for the film to sweep people up. Moreover, were are not actually talking about a comic book. It may be based on a CB, but it is most definitely a live action film. That being the case, and since IM was depicted as a sci-fi action film, there is a crossing of genres with Thor being a fantasy epic. You can't just mash those together like they do in comic books (imagine Gimlee hauling a mini-gun to battle the orcs in LOTR, while Aragorn draws a light saber. Or how about the Terminator summoning a lightning storm or growing 50 feet tall and sprouting giant bat-wings... these would be absurd). These are extreme examples, but the point is that you can't just cast the suspension of disbelief aside. A theme has to be struck, and that theme has to be honored...

Thus the dilemma of crossing IM and Thor, with two distinct themes to honor. It most certainly can be accomplished, but it is not a small matter if the goal is to have a successful film and a successful franchise. Without care the film could look like Beastmaster 2 or a Quentin Tarantino camp film.

[marcvader]

Treat the material with respect and do not allow any room for camp or cheese and i think the GA will follow along with an open mind.

[Venom'sDad]

That goes without saying and is probably easier said than done.... but I do hope they take a more mature approach with this film.

[Slipeor]

Thor should definitely be the 616 Thor and not Ultimate Thor. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED Ultimate Thor, especially when no one knew if he was a god or deranged male nurse. But only because it was a welcome change from the usual Thor and the Ultimate Universe should be something different.

Now, with regards to the 616 traditional Thor in a movie, I'm inclined to minimize Donald Blake. I think the story needs to start is Asgard and introduce the character so that mainstream audiences unfamiliar with Thor can understand and relate to him. At some point send him to Earth for a battle and have Odin banish him there for some reason. Then they can do the obligatory final scene with Tony Stark or Nick Fury.

[Paradox1]

Yeah, but com'on... there is a such thing as the suspension of disbelief. It is necessary for the film to sweep people up. Moreover, were are not actually talking about a comic book. It may be based on a CB, but it is most definitely a live action film. That being the case, and since IM was depicted as a sci-fi action film, there is a crossing of genres with Thor being a fantasy epic. You can't just mash those together like they do in comic books (imagine Gimlee hauling a mini-gun to battle the orcs in LOTR, while Aragorn draws a light saber. Or how about the Terminator summoning a lightning storm or growing 50 feet tall and sprouting giant bat-wings... these would be absurd). These are extreme examples, but the point is that you can't just cast the suspension of disbelief aside. A theme has to be struck, and that theme has to be honored...

Thus the dilemma of crossing IM and Thor, with two distinct themes to honor. It most certainly can be accomplished, but it is not a small matter if the goal is to have a successful film and a successful franchise. Without care the film could look like Beastmaster 2 or a Quentin Tarantino camp film.

you ever heard of the Q continuum? Star Trek did a beautiful job of bring in even more God like presence into their sci-fi world. The Q could shift planetary alignment, travel in and out of time, and change shape. How did the writers at star trek try to explain this? they didn't ,the characters knew how such things could be done but had no idea how someone could do it. They chalked to being out of there scope of understanding.

[WillardNation]

Exactly. I hate the realism argument. Its a ****ing comic book for christ sake.

I couldn't agree more.

You can't just mash those together like they do in comic books (imagine Gimlee hauling a mini-gun to battle the orcs in LOTR, while Aragorn draws a light saber... these would be absurd).

I think that would be pretty awesome actually. :woot:

[Rich Santoro]

you ever heard of the Q continuum? Star Trek did a beautiful job of bring in even more God like presence into their sci-fi world. The Q could shift planetary alignment, travel in and out of time, and change shape. How did the writers at star trek try to explain this? they didn't ,the characters knew how such things could be done but had no idea how someone could do it. They chalked to being out of there scope of understanding.

That is an excellent point... however, Q was not a central character in need of development, backstory, motivation, and a personal relationship with the viewers. Granted, there were several episodes with Q, and some actually got into some personal touches... but they were more like the Beyonders, compared to Viking warriors. I do agree that some aspects can be simply left to "beyond current understanding" but I stand by my original point.

[Rich Santoro]

Originally Posted by Rich Santoro
You can't just mash those together like they do in comic books (imagine Gimlee hauling a mini-gun to battle the orcs in LOTR, while Aragorn draws a light saber... these would be absurd).
I think that would be pretty awesome actually. :woot:

LOL... it pretty much worked for Army of Darkness and Big Trouble in Little China.

[Venom'sDad]

I think that would be pretty awesome actually. :woot:

LOL... for a comedy knockoff, yeah.

[Paradox1]

That is an excellent point... however, Q was not a central character in need of development, backstory, motivation, and a personal relationship with the viewers. Granted, there were several episodes with Q, and some actually got into some personal touches... but they were more like the Beyonders, compared to Viking warriors. I do agree that some aspects can be simply left to "beyond current understanding" but I stand by my original point.


Gods are gods regardless of what level they are if you wanna chalk it up to science you can. Everything that is in a Thor is in our realm of today's science, nothing is unexplainable.How they became to be known as gods, at marvel they say the Asgard once lived and visited on Earth. There natural powers would have easily led to them being gods in the eyes of ancient Norsemen. Asgard is realm oustide of our own you can chalk that up to intera-dimensional world(there is a current theory in physics that believes the big bang was caused by the collison of two seprate universerses or dimensions that collided with each other). The rainbow bridge or bifrost is essence a wormhole that connects two points in space(something theorized by Albert Einstien, in the same book he theorized about a blackhole that we now know to be true). The Asgard's strength n powers can be chalked up to them being from a dimension outisde of our own thereby the laws of physics which govern are world do not imply to them as in the Q continuum( also an theorized by scientist). Reason you leave this stuff out and chalk it up to beyond our current understanding cause it is to the masses.

[Rich Santoro]

Gods are gods regardless of what level they are if you wanna chalk it up to science you can. Everything that is in a Thor is in our realm of today's science, nothing is unexplainable.How they became to be known as gods, at marvel they say the Asgard once lived and visited on Earth. There natural powers would have easily led to them being gods in the eyes of ancient Norsemen. Asgard is realm oustide of our own you can chalk that up to intera-dimensional world(there is a current theory in physics that believes the big bang was caused by the collison of two seprate universerses or dimensions that collided with each other). The rainbow bridge or bifrost is essence a wormhole that connects two points in space(something theorized by Albert Einstien, in the same book he theorized about a blackhole that we now know to be true). The Asgard's strength n powers can be chalked up to them being from a dimension outisde of our own thereby the laws of physics which govern are world do not imply to them as in the Q continuum( also an theorized by scientist). Reason you leave this stuff out and chalk it up to beyond our current understanding cause it is to the masses.

You make my point exactly... I have even commented on the elements that you have listed out in other posts (other dimensions, worm-holes, etc). Moreover, because it is the "masses", is the very reason that the film ought not just let the details hang out there without any attempt to flesh things out... Specifically because Thor is a character that needs to be related to on a personal level as the protaganist (rather than the antaganist, which is Q... and the Borg for that matter... rooted entirley in science, but there was no need to delve into their back-ground since they were the emerging threat) is why something to the effect of what you indicated needs to be shared, in some manner, with the movie-goers... I am not saying that a large chunk of the film needs to be deticated to sciencifying the relationship of Asgard to Earth, but some mechanism should be used to effectively bridge the gap between the sci-fi action genre set in our modern world, merging with fantasy epic that originates in another world / reality altogether...

I think it would be a mistake to just chalk it up to some implied explanation that it is all just beyond understanding.

[Paradox1]

You make my point exactly... I have even commented on the elements that you have listed out in other posts (other dimensions, worm-holes, etc). Moreover, because it is the "masses", is the very reason that the film ought not just let the details hang out there without any attempt to flesh things out... Specifically because Thor is a character that needs to be related to on a personal level as the protaganist (rather than the antaganist, which is Q... and the Borg for that matter... rooted entirley in science, but there was no need to delve into their back-ground since they were the emerging threat) is why something to the effect of what you indicated needs to be shared, in some manner, with the movie-goers... I am not saying that a large chunk of the film needs to be deticated to sciencifying the relationship of Asgard to Earth, but some mechanism should be used to effectively bridge the gap between the sci-fi action genre set in our modern world, merging with fantasy epic that originates in another world / reality altogether...

I think it would be a mistake to just chalk it up to some implied explanation that it is all just beyond understanding.

I understand it but none of that should be explained in a Thor movie cause I wouldn't explain how I walked or talked cause I just do it I don't think about it. In avengers movie fine let Stark spend his time trying to logically explain why a Norse God of Thunder is fighting alongside of him or even in existance. I don't know why people worried about how Thor fits into Iron Man world. You need to be asking yourself how does the Mandarin fit into Iron man world cause last time I remember Mandarin had ten power rings that were all magic. If there not going to include that alot of fanboys are gonna be really upset.

[Rich Santoro]

I understand it but none of that should be explained in a Thor movie cause I wouldn't explain how I walked or talked cause I just do it I don't think about it. In avengers movie fine let Stark spend his time trying to logically explain why a Norse God of Thunder is fighting alongside of him or even in existance. I don't know why people worried about how Thor fits into Iron Man world. You need to be asking yourself how does the Mandarin fit into Iron man world cause last time I remember Mandarin had ten power rings that were all magic. If there not going to include that alot of fanboys are gonna be really upset.

I agree 100% that within the Thor film no explanation is needed. That can just be a fantasy film. Now, if one wants to contribute some detail as to make the explanations that are to come later (such as the explanations that I would hope for in the Avengers), that might be advisable. I do think that as Thor enters our realm, and joins the Avengers... some detail should be fleshed out (it can be vague and very high level... I think that it will add to the film).

Now, about the walking part... well, most people walk. That is a pretty common phenomenon that does not need explantion. A worm-hole, pocket-dimension, alternate reality on the other hand are not common phenomenons that most would experience. That is a bit of a false equivalence.

Lastly, Mandarin is not magic... his rings are based on Alien technology. But yes... some explanation (however vague and high-level) would be in order.

You cited Q from Star Trek, which is an ironic reference, since I would say that Star Trek is the template for how these matters should be handled, in that ST has always put great effort into cooking up some psuedo / quasi-scientific explanations to most of the events, encounters, and technology that are on the show. That, in my view, is why the franchise has been so successful over the decades.

[aka Kal el]

Yeah, but com'on... there is a such thing as the suspension of disbelief. It is necessary for the film to sweep people up. Moreover, were are not actually talking about a comic book. It may be based on a CB, but it is most definitely a live action film. That being the case, and since IM was depicted as a sci-fi action film, there is a crossing of genres with Thor being a fantasy epic. You can't just mash those together like they do in comic books (imagine Gimlee hauling a mini-gun to battle the orcs in LOTR, while Aragorn draws a light saber. Or how about the Terminator summoning a lightning storm or growing 50 feet tall and sprouting giant bat-wings... these would be absurd). These are extreme examples, but the point is that you can't just cast the suspension of disbelief aside. A theme has to be struck, and that theme has to be honored...

Thus the dilemma of crossing IM and Thor, with two distinct themes to honor. It most certainly can be accomplished, but it is not a small matter if the goal is to have a successful film and a successful franchise. Without care the film could look like Beastmaster 2 or a Quentin Tarantino camp film.

Rich as always you are the voice of reason on these forums I could not have said it better myself there are always certain conceits in this business but you still have to respect your audience intelligence. There has to be a grounding in reality or should I say the reality that you have created for example Iron man and Hulk are science based so the audience is more ready to accept them. In order for this to work you really have to really be cautious as to how you portray his Godhood or you risk insulting and inflaming many peoples religious beliefs.:word:

[Rich Santoro]

^ Thanks brother... you are very wise :woot:

Religious beliefs definitely could be a touchy matter (look at the hoopla around Harry Potter)... I am a theist, so I can see where it would be a concern to some (not to me, it is a movie for Christ's sake... pun intended :cwink:). But for me, it is beyond that... audiences are sophisticated, as you eluded... and many will have questions about the correlation of what they saw in the Thor fantasy film, to the uber-sci-fi film that is IM.

As I said, it does not have to be heavy, but it has to be there.

[Hypestyle]

...so should the film deemphasize the Kirby-tech that was known to be showcased on occasion especially during the Stan & Jack days?

[Aztec]

As for the whole magic vs. realism debate:

For me part of the fun of seeing The Avengers on the big screen is that you are taking 4 completely different and unrelated characters and making them form a team. That should be the main focus of the movie. How do you take a billionaire playboy in a high tech flying suit, a super solider from the 1940s, a scientist who turns into a destructive monster, and a Norse god of thunder and make a superhero team out of them? That's what the whole story is about: the seemingly irreconcilable differences between them are huge but somehow they make it work to save the Earth!

[Rich Santoro]

^ Excellent post... I still want some psuedo-science to fold in Thor and mystical powers. :woot:

[lowly marvelite]

I don't think ancient Norsemen talked like Shakspearean actors. As shakspearean is stylized way of speech that was created long after the Norse men mythios had been died out due to Christian influence. As far as casting of Thor goes , the best rendition of Herclues was played by Kevin Sorbo who is hardly Hercluesh . In all fairness Stan Lee really ripped the whole idea of Thor from there mythology.
Right. I think most people understand that the "shakepearean" pattern comes from the comic book and that Stan Lee borrowed from Norse mythology when he created the superhero "Thor" (are you a Thor reader?). So now that we've cleared that up, I suppose my question really had to do with the difficulty of casting Thor (y'know, the comic book Thor?) and seeing awesome displays of strength...

[redlion2]

you ever heard of the Q continuum? Star Trek did a beautiful job of bring in even more God like presence into their sci-fi world. The Q could shift planetary alignment, travel in and out of time, and change shape. How did the writers at star trek try to explain this? they didn't ,the characters knew how such things could be done but had no idea how someone could do it. They chalked to being out of there scope of understanding.

It's ironic that you cite Star Trek b/c I remember an episode of the old series with William Shatner that featured the god Apollo. As I recall, the show never really answered the question if he was really a god or not. The crew of the Enterprise thought he might possibly be an alien, who our ancient ancestors probably worshipped as a god but the final question was left up to the audience to decide. Which was very effective.

Maybe Thor in Avengers could be handled in such a way. That's one take on how the melding of science and mythology could be approached.

Hmmm...I seemed to have mixed up this thread subject. Sorry guys.

[CaptainClown]

I honestly like the Ultimate approach to thor where they left it up to the viewer if he actually was a god.

[TheCorpulent1]

But the viewer will know that he's a god in this case because the viewer will probably have seen his movie.

I wouldn't be opposed to other people in the movie writing him off as a crazy guy who only thinks he's a god, though.

[[A]]

I honestly like the Ultimate approach to thor where they left it up to the viewer if he actually was a god.up till a point

[Paradox1]

But the viewer will know that he's a god in this case because the viewer will probably have seen his movie.

I wouldn't be opposed to other people in the movie writing him off as a crazy guy who only thinks he's a god, though.

If they were going for reality some people would say he's crazy, other might try to kill him, and some people would worship him. At least that is how I think it would play out in the real world. I would be one of the people who thinks he's crazy and some sort of alien.

[TheCorpulent1]

Some people would just accept him as another superhero in a world with the Hulk and Iron Man, too.

[Grommers]

I'd probably consider him just some freak of nature, or wouldn't really even think much about it, there's that guy from india who can break a coin with his eye lid, who calls himself like a disciple of god. (has like 14 wives and sleeps i think he said like 2 hours a week?)

i really don't consider him a disciple of god, but more of just a one in a billion who got the right genes.

or how about the people who train killerwhales,

i definetly wouldn't start calling him atlantis.

[Thor Odinson]

Thor:
Thor is shown in Asgard. It is 1980. Centeries have passed since they contacted Midgard. Loki rises and takes control of The Bifrost and moves it to the U.s. Thor tries to stop him but is called back to Asgard to help against a Troll Invasion. Epic battle against trolls. Then Thor goes down Bifrost and faces a number of challenges set up by Loki. The New Entrance to Asgard is On top of Mt. St. Helens, were Thor and Loki battle, and cause the eruption ( I did this to firmly Ground it in reality and show the effects on the mortal world.) maybe there is a cameo of Surtur During the Eruption. Anyhow Thor Keeps Going at Loki even when Loki is knoked out He almost kills Loki, But Odin summons him back to Asgard and tells him for almost killing Loki he's gonna be Punished; He should of taken him back to Asgard for trial.
Fast-Foward to 2011. A Hospital Pager is heard "paging Dr. Blake, Emergency ward 22" and a fimiliar looking doctor is seen. Then we see Tony stark in the hallways. His head turns toward Blake and Presses a Bottun on his belt and says "Yes sir, I think we've got Ourselves another one. Fade out.

Avengers
Fury and Tony's instruments registered a weird Energy near Blake and so they go to him. he has no idea why until Tony reliezes its from the cane. It turns out He's Thor Sent down in 1981 as aN orphanboy by Odin. Everybody else just thinks that Blake acsessed some Alien Tech unknowingly and went Screwy because of it, But he's pretty Gosh-darn powerful, so they accept him.