View Full Version : Batman: The Animated Series or Batman: The Brave and the Bold?
Batman2011
12-07-2008, 10:49 AM
I don't know about you but I kind of prefer Batman: The Brave and the Bold over Batman: The Animated Series because The Brave and the Bold doesn't have Robin or Batgirl.
Dark Knight90!
12-07-2008, 11:07 AM
I don't know about you but I kind of prefer Batman: The Brave and the Bold over Batman: The Animated Series because The Brave and the Bold doesn't have Robin or Batgirl.
It soon will have... Robin is a definite!!!
I can't see this thread going very far... but, Batman: The Animated Series is without a doubt the best representation of the Batman character as a whole.
Batman2011
12-07-2008, 11:12 AM
It soon will have... Robin is a definite!!!
I can't see this thread going very far... but, Batman: The Animated Series is without a doubt the best representation of the Batman character as a whole.
Isn't The Brave and the Bold suppose to be about a young Batman in the early days of his crime fighting career? Batman won't be young anymore if they bring in Robin.
Dark Knight90!
12-07-2008, 11:25 AM
Isn't The Brave and the Bold suppose to be about a young Batman in the early days of his crime fighting career? Batman won't be young anymore if they bring in Robin.
Not really... the show doesn't have a particular time period as such.
The tone borrows heavily from the 40/50's... of which Robin was a huge part of.
Robin will be in the show, and it will be Dick Grayson. This was confirmed sometime before the launch of the show. :P Only problem i have with the show is the lack of Gotham, but the show kicksass!
Darkfly
12-07-2008, 12:24 PM
I'll go for Animated for now though Brave & the Bold is much better than I expected it would be. While I think Animated is very good I don't go bat crazy over it, just a little overrated or the films are anyway.
titan101
12-07-2008, 01:42 PM
**** it, i haven't even watched brave and the bold yet but i can tell just by all the previews for it that it doesn't come close to the awesomeness of TAS .
Bat-Mite
12-07-2008, 02:35 PM
I never understood the hate for Robin or Batgirl. At least, not in the respectful way that the Animated Series handled them. They were both treated as serious characters, despite the constant claims that neither character can ever be taken seriously. And I certainly don't understand why you'd choose one show over the other with that being the ONLY criteria as to which show is better. I guess I just don't understand this narrow line of thought. It soon will have... Robin is a definite!!!
I can't see this thread going very far... but, Batman: The Animated Series is without a doubt the best representation of the Batman character as a whole.Agreed.
**** it, i haven't even watched brave and the bold yet but i can tell just by all the previews for it that it doesn't come close to the awesomeness of TAS .
Yeah judging a few episodes to years of seasons is truly a fair comparison. :P
Batman2011
12-07-2008, 07:20 PM
I never understood the hate for Robin or Batgirl.
I don't like Robin because of his costume, he has bare legs and pixie boots his suit also has the colors of a traffic light. (Red, green and yellow.) I don't like Batgirl because she doesn't have the same trauma that keeps Batman out on the streets every night.
In the first episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold Blue Beetle said "Hello this is Batman he's like the greatest superhero ever!" But if Batman is so great why does he have to have two goofy idiot sidekicks? Why can't Batman work alone? By alone I mean why can't we have a Batman series without Robin and Batgirl.
I know Batman teams up with a member of the Justice League every week in the new cartoon. But that's completely different because Batman needs help when he's taking on supervillians with superpowers...but he doesn't need help when he's taking on a few hoodlums.
SHADOWBAT69
12-07-2008, 08:01 PM
I don't like Robin because of his costume, he has bare legs and pixie boots his suit also has the colors of a traffic light. (Red, green and yellow.) I don't like Batgirl because she doesn't have the same trauma that keeps Batman out on the streets every night.
In the first episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold Blue Beetle said "Hello this is Batman he's like the greatest superhero ever!" But if Batman is so great why does he have to have two goofy idiot sidekicks? Why can't Batman work alone? By alone I mean why can't we have a Batman series without Robin and Batgirl.
I know Batman teams up with a member of the Justice League every week in the new cartoon. But that's completely different because Batman needs help when he's taking on supervillians with superpowers...but he doesn't need help when he's taking on a few hoodlums.
Do you even know the origins of those 2 characters? Because your statements in this post is pure ignorance.
Darkseid1
12-07-2008, 08:16 PM
I don't like Robin because of his costume, he has bare legs and pixie boots his suit also has the colors of a traffic light. (Red, green and yellow.)
Very weak reasons for not liking a character. You do realize there have been upgrades done to his costume over the years? He has more than just that original costume. You do also realize that he was meant to be in contrast to Batmans outfit and that also it was a homage to his circus roots?
I don't like Batgirl because she doesn't have the same trauma that keeps Batman out on the streets every night.
You should check in on Batgirls origin and basic biography. You may be suprised about this character.Also worth noting, there has been a couple of Batgirls, each with their own reasons for taking on the mantle of the bat. and yes, very superhero created must have the same trauma as Batman.:whatever:
In the first episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold Blue Beetle said "Hello this is Batman he's like the greatest superhero ever!" But if Batman is so great why does he have to have two goofy idiot sidekicks? Why can't Batman work alone? By alone I mean why can't we have a Batman series without Robin and Batgirl.
Goofy, idiot sidekicks. This is yet another intelligent post. Im going to assume that you are very young and have no knowledge of batman history, so above posts. Batman does work alone as well as having members of the "batman family". Hes not always teamed up with someone. Robin and Batgirl are a part of batman lore. Like it or not, its part of who Batman is.
I know Batman teams up with a member of the Justice League every week in the new cartoon. But that's completely different because Batman needs help when he's taking on supervillians with superpowers...but he doesn't need help when he's taking on a few hoodlums.
okay.:whatever:
DJ Kornphlake
12-07-2008, 08:38 PM
Hell, Batman is the one who started off the whole kid sidekick trend in comics.
tekken
12-07-2008, 10:19 PM
hey, robin's cool..lol.
Syncos
12-13-2008, 05:25 PM
Batman takes "goofy sidekicks" because he can't be batman forever. He needs to train someone to take over his mission after he's gone.
Also, there's no way this is a "young batman". Every character in the DCU seems to know him. He's well established in the public as a hero. Aquaman seemed to make it sound like they went "way back". I think Bats has been operating for quite some time, already.
Two-Face=Badass
12-13-2008, 06:19 PM
I prefer BTAS of course, I grew up on it and it does a heck of a better job than the comics STILL. But, I love The Brave and the Bold also, I originally thought it might be plotless, er plotting, but instead they keep delivering witty and original scripts of pure old school Batman fun. That means so far it is only a notch below BTAS in my book.
Also, whoever just gave those moronic reasons for hating Robin and Batgirl, go read a comic will ya? Both have tragedies and both are very interesting characters. The fact that they are lighter than Batman is a ridiculous criticism, Robin haters always want the sidekick to be the exact same character.
KingOfMars
12-13-2008, 08:01 PM
it is unfair to compare this to btas, since it is only four episodes into the season and far differant tonally.
Sam Fisher
12-15-2008, 06:37 AM
What I have seen of B&B doesn't impress me at all. Batman TAS is the best animated version of Batman.
Two-Face
12-15-2008, 08:28 AM
I haven't seen new Batman animated series but I seen pics and trailers I go with BTAS that show is why I had great time on a Saturday mornings
Bare in mind that new series hasn't released in UK I think, somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
Mistah K88
12-17-2008, 08:08 PM
It has been said before and I'll repeat it for good taste. It is unfair to compare the two shows because for one this show hasn't even been on for one full season yet, and secondly you're comparing a show with frickin' Batman: The Animated Series. Nothing will ever beat it...well, nothing has atleast. This show has a chance against The Batman, but not BTAS. We all know what I chose. That series is an integral part of my childhood and is what made me into a Batman fan today. Don't get me wrong, I do indeed like Batman: The Brave and the Bold because it is such a different take; but BTAS will always and forever be my favorite cartoon period.
The_Riddler?
12-19-2008, 10:25 PM
I do say, there seems to be quit the closed minded individuals here on this forum. Can you all only accept one version of this diverse character? You all are really missing out on a vast history here. 'Tis a shame I must say.
To get to the topic of this thread, I do not believe you can compare these 2 animated shows as they are two completely different representations of the character covering 2 completely different eras.
kaelinyfiae
12-21-2008, 06:40 PM
I wholey prefer TAS.. but there are actually a couple of things I like about Brave and the Bold. (None of which actually have anything to do with Batman, not to say the show is bad. It just doesn't have the kind of Batman personality I'm attracted to). I've grown to like it a LITTLE because of the heros I don't get to see animated anywhere else. I was pretty entertained when Plastic Man made his appearance.
It's a cute kids show. I haven't seen much of it but it's probably a little less dark and sometimes morbid than TAS was. TAS did a great job of aiming for an older audience, I feel like the newer cartoons are shooting a little lower in the age group and for them, that's cool.
kaelinyfiae
12-21-2008, 06:40 PM
Accidental double post. Sorry about that. I think I refreshed my browser at the wrong time.
Venom.X
12-21-2008, 06:47 PM
I didn't think any Batman show could be any more "kid-friendly" than "The Batman"...then we get B:B & B.
OBVIOUSLY Batman: The Animated Series, The New Adventures of Batman (Batman: Gotham Knights), and even The Batman are far better shows. Brave & Bold even makes the Teen Titans pseudo-animé look like Cowboy Bebop in quality standards.
MysterioMenace
12-22-2008, 10:29 AM
I don't like Robin because of his costume, he has bare legs and pixie boots his suit also has the colors of a traffic light. (Red, green and yellow.) I don't like Batgirl because she doesn't have the same trauma that keeps Batman out on the streets every night.
In the first episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold Blue Beetle said "Hello this is Batman he's like the greatest superhero ever!" But if Batman is so great why does he have to have two goofy idiot sidekicks? Why can't Batman work alone? By alone I mean why can't we have a Batman series without Robin and Batgirl.
I know Batman teams up with a member of the Justice League every week in the new cartoon. But that's completely different because Batman needs help when he's taking on supervillians with superpowers...but he doesn't need help when he's taking on a few hoodlums.
Well first and foremost...Batman did work alone quite a bit in the first three seasons of Batman the Animated Series. Actually probably more solo then anything else. So...were you just not watching?
Yes Robin's older costume is very dated. It's absolutely ridiculous really. I don’t think anyone can deny that. But BTAS attempted to legitimize him in a very real way. He wasn’t some young child but rather a college age young man. He was given the Tim Drake re-vamped suit to fit the darker and more serious tone. He also appeared very seldom in those first three seasons. Yah he’s there, but comparatively speaking Batman’s far more on his own throughout the series.
Brave and the Bold is a decent retro-style kids cartoon. Batman the Animated Series was something more. Calling it kid oriented is far from accurate. That thing's dark and psychological...
storyteller
12-22-2008, 11:55 AM
Batman may be the worlds greatest detective, but when he's got 50 goons attacking him(independent on his detective skills), it would help to have some back up. Also more men means more information to gather and less time it takes to assemble it. Batman may be a "lone" wolf but he needs to the pack to enhance his skills.
Beanjuice
01-10-2009, 03:44 PM
I really dont like this show at all. Its too kiddy and cheesey. I'd actually like to see a more serious batman animated series. Almost something like Gotham Knight
Blaztro
01-23-2009, 09:20 PM
To the uneducated twerp who insulted Robin so horrifically, Robin had just as much trauma as Bruce. Grayson watched his whole family shot down from the trapeze by Tony Zucco, Todd had his father murdered by Two-Face, and died when almost beaten to death with a crowbar by the Joker, then blown up. Drake's parents more recently died, and it seems every girl he dates has some connection with someone out to get him.
Daredevil_2003
01-28-2009, 07:48 PM
I don't like Robin because of his costume, he has bare legs and pixie boots his suit also has the colors of a traffic light. (Red, green and yellow.) I don't like Batgirl because she doesn't have the same trauma that keeps Batman out on the streets every night.
In the first episode of Batman: The Brave and the Bold Blue Beetle said "Hello this is Batman he's like the greatest superhero ever!" But if Batman is so great why does he have to have two goofy idiot sidekicks? Why can't Batman work alone? By alone I mean why can't we have a Batman series without Robin and Batgirl.
I know Batman teams up with a member of the Justice League every week in the new cartoon. But that's completely different because Batman needs help when he's taking on supervillians with superpowers...but he doesn't need help when he's taking on a few hoodlums.Obvious troll is obvious...or stupid.
Anyway, I've lightened up on this show a little bit (I actually kinda like it, now *gasp*)but it is not, and never will be, in the same league as BTAS. No cartoon ever will. The DCAU was a special, special thing that I doubt we'll ever see again, unfortunately.
Spider-Bat
01-30-2009, 01:28 AM
Batman the animated series is a beautiful faithful and best interpretation of Batman ever along with the new films of course, it was serious and beautifully animated the acting superb with a great cast, B&B is garbage, camp garbage.
Darkseid1
01-30-2009, 01:44 AM
Batman the animated series is a beautiful faithful and best interpretation of Batman ever along with the new films of course, it was serious and beautifully animated the acting superb with a great cast, B&B is garbage, camp garbage.
In your opinion. The new movies are not what you say they are. Far from it. The TAS was a phenominal series, but it had its flaws and it did take some liberties, just as all adaptions do. Brave and the Bold is no different. Just because you dont like it doesnt make it garbage. Also, look at the definition of camp please, because this show is not camp. It shows your ignorance.
Daredevil_2003
01-30-2009, 08:52 AM
Camp as slang: "An affected, exaggerated or intentionally tasteless style."
Camp is also self-parody, I won't say this show is that b/c I don't see it, but camp is a very broad term.
B&TB is campy. You don't see it that way, it's ok. But calling other's ignorant for feeling otherwise is ignorant in and of itself.
The series has grown on me a bit, like I said I kinda like it now (mind you I also 'kinda' like Batman Forever and Fantastic 4, so take that as you will lol), but you'll never hear me say it's not campy. Because it most definitely is.
JMHO
Dark Knight90!
01-30-2009, 10:49 AM
I really dont like this show at all. Its too kiddy and cheesey. I'd actually like to see a more serious batman animated series. Almost something like Gotham Knight
Young Kids need Batman too.
This is for them. Adults are given an invite too, if they want and have an open mind.
Try it. The show is simply a half-hour of high-energy fun.
NUFFSAID2004
02-06-2009, 08:14 PM
[quote=MysterioMenace;16155354]Well first and foremost...Batman did work alone quite a bit in the first three seasons of Batman the Animated Series. Actually probably more solo then anything else. So...were you just not watching?
Yes Robin's older costume is very dated. It's absolutely ridiculous really. I don’t think anyone can deny that. But BTAS attempted to legitimize him in a very real way. He wasn’t some young child but rather a college age young man. He was given the Tim Drake re-vamped suit to fit the darker and more serious tone. He also appeared very seldom in those first three seasons. Yah he’s there, but comparatively speaking Batman’s far more on his own throughout the series.
Just wanted to add a little extra here concerning Robin. Many people believe that he's based upon the bird. In reality, "Robin" was originally derived from "Robin Hood". When Bob Kane and Bill Finger created him it wasn't long after the premiere of the film classic, "The Adventures Of Robin Hood" starring Errol Flynn. This is what helped inspire them to create the character. If you take a close look at the original costume design you'll notice the tunic, the medevil shoes, and various other middle ages attire. In time, he somehow got confused with the bird. That's one of the many things that really annoyed me concerning that awful (*dare I even mention it*) "Batman and Robin" movie, putting a stupid looking bird on his chest instead of the classic "R" emblem. Then again, were're talking Shumacker here..:whatever:
NUFFSAID2004
02-06-2009, 08:30 PM
Relating to this post, it really isn't fair comparing the two shows. I, for one, am a "huge" fan of BTAS. For me, the original will always be the definitive Batman. However, I just recently caught a few episodes of The Brave And The Bold off of Youtube. I've gotta say, this show is great in it's own right. It's a great homage to the post Drak Knight Batman of the comics and a helluva lot of fun. Either way, both shows stand alone in their different styles.
Superman Prime
02-07-2009, 02:06 AM
Someone said half-hour high-energy fun, and they're right.
This isn't your modern comics' Batman. It's a Silver Age Batman making a return for the sake of the kids. I find it to be really worth watching, in that while being fun and colorful, it's also respectful to the spirits of the characters (from the age in which it's based).
I won't say which is better, B:TAS or B:TBATB, because they are each in their own very distinct and worthy universes. Just like comparing Nicholson to Ledger, it's futile.
TheCarpetMan
02-21-2009, 11:35 PM
I couldn't imagine anything Batman cartoon or any cartoon in general ever topping Batman TAS in terms of artistic achievement and overall quality (music, story-writing, voice-acting, etc). Also, there were 85 episodes (before the remake/new animated, whatever), that were almost all spectacular. I mean, everything episode was worthwhile. If we ever get a show like that again, it will be a miracle, especially considering the current state of american animation.
Two-Face=Badass
02-21-2009, 11:56 PM
I couldn't imagine anything Batman cartoon or any cartoon in general ever topping Batman TAS in terms of artistic achievement and overall quality (music, story-writing, voice-acting, etc). Also, there were 85 episodes (before the remake/new animated, whatever), that were almost all spectacular. I mean, everything episode was worthwhile. If we ever get a show like that again, it will be a miracle, especially considering the current state of american animation.
Huh, and I thought I overpraised TAS. Seriously, much as I love it and it pains me to say it: TAS is overrated. I know, I'm sorry, but even though I try to watch atleast one ep a month the show is not nearly as dark or serious as people believe. Nor is every ep as spectacular. I made a case against November Rain earlier that BTAS has more good eps than bad ones. However, the truth is those bad ones are almost always downright abysmal. While some eps I will watch again and again and again, there are some cringe inducing (not the good type) moments in some of them, take for example the fright look on Batman's face when he's on the runaway tram in the Crime Alley ep. And while I agree the voice acting was spectaculkar the backround character voices were so awful they sometimes drag you right out of the episode. Heart of Ice's screaming and gasping backrounders is actually on a loop, it pulls me out of the episode.
One of the greatest things about TAS to me as well was the Dark Deco atmosphere, and while I love it, it was grainy as hell. Add that graininess to the odd animation that was frequent, and while you have a classic series, it's really hard to watch a couple of episodes without some annoyance.
I'm not saying Batman TAS isn't great, because it's flipping classic. But to say no other superhero cartoon will ever touch it? To say no cartoon in general will ever likely top it? I'm sorry, but not only is that bias, but it pretty much means no cartoon will ever reach it for you even if it is better, because you'll be giving it a pedestal so high that even the mighty TAS does not deserve it.
Daredevil_2003
02-22-2009, 09:38 PM
BTAS is not overrated. The end.
CaptainClown
02-22-2009, 10:42 PM
Is this a serious question? Are they seriously asking if the reasons for liking Brave and the Bold over TAS is because of Robin? Someone lunge your face into my palm as you don't deserve a slap by me.
Mr. Earle
03-19-2009, 09:34 AM
Why cant i love and enjoy both for what they are? A serious adaptation of the character and a less serious, more OUTRAGEOUS take on him based on his earlier history? And in any case, many adults who might find BatB childish should bare in mind that the show's target audience is kids and its aim is obviously to initiate them to the DC characters. It doesnt mean that because its batman and you are a batfan, you have to like it, or it has to be grimdark with images of batman on a gargoyle in the rain. We can only benefit for more versions of batman. Everyone who whines because a show or a comic isnt tailored to their tastes is just arrogant. Batman is grimdark, cheesy, fights street crime but also alien gods, etc. Cry more Jett (of BOF) you pathetic, arrogant child!
Also, times change, maybe kids dont like grimdark cartoons these days, seeing how cutesy japanese cartoons reign over. So maybe Batman can fight back this way!
Finally, everyone who hates BatB obviously hasnt watched the Aquaman or the Blue Beetle episodes.
Platelet we will never forget you! :woot:
tekken
03-31-2009, 06:33 PM
alright i just saw a post saying even The Batman is better than brave and the bold. that is complete nonsense. the batman has NOTHING on brave and the bold. it showcases all the awesome stuff from the DCU that hasn't been shown in any forms of media outside comic books.
it freaking had the gotham gaslight batman costume. how can you not appreciate that? not only can kids enjoy it, but comic book fans are given a lot of cool stuff too.
and i can't wait to see robin. the writers have made the characters so awesome; i'm loving this interpretation of aquaman.
tekken
03-31-2009, 07:09 PM
brave and the bold haters, just watch all of the episodes...chances are, you only saw a glimpse of it. you need to experience the whole thing. we get to see ted kord as blue beetle, bwana beast with his powers, kung fu fighting batman, it just kicks so much butt.
BlueLightning
03-31-2009, 08:13 PM
OK. Let get this straight. I love both Batman The Animated Series and Batman Brave and the Bold. I think that the first is the best incaarnation overall, because it uses many aspects from the mythos,making it universal.
On the other hand Brave and the Bold focuses on an era of Batman, and comes of as a valid interpretation, because even though is fun, its not making fun of the characters or disrespecting them on any level. Its meant to be fun and it is. If you are a truly Batman fan you can understand this. The story and animation are great, and you can tell the people in charge of this are really working to get this well.
If they in some future decided to make an "Milleresque" Batman, I wonder what would the fan reaction would be.
Duneboy
03-31-2009, 08:15 PM
I have to say I like them both. They're both extremely different from each other which is good because new interpretations are always a breathe of fresh air. If I had to choose one over the other I'm more in favor of batman -the animated series. But I love the 60's camp revival too.
:brucebat:
But the thing is where is camp even present? cause BATB is unashamed of itself it knows it's an adventure show and takes pride in that and doesn't try to tell anyone any different. It's not something that is mocking it's own outrageousness like the Adam West TV series (which I do love) always did it embraces the fantasy element of comic book storytelling and this is why I love love love this show.
It's the only show outside of 24 and South Park that I simply can't miss an episode of. People already know not to bother trying to reach me on Friday nights before 9pm because I do nothing until I see the latest episode lol
I am in the camp that loves both but I think I appreciate BatB more simply for that reason, It's the first time in ages we've gotten a comic book show that doesn't try to be anything else but a moving comic book. It's not trying to be drama or movie like though ironically it does have a lot of epically cinematic moments because of it's scale.
I appreciate BTAS because of the emphasis on Batman's world. As far as being the show that properly fleshed out Batman's supporting players with pathos and integrity (Alfred, Gordon, Dick) and giving the main rogues (Joker, Scarecrow, Two-Face) moments that rival their comic book counterparts or even surpass them (Freeze's origin). Though I will say that the BatB versions of both The Joker and Scarcrow were also full of win.
However for those main reasons alone as well as the nostalgia it will always have a place in my heart but as Two-Face = Badass pointed out when you go back to the first 2 seasons there is a lot of crude animation. That in itself dates it and kills the timelessness the designs are brilliant but the actual animation is jerky and unhinged. So in that respect I give the edge to BATB because of it's seamless animation. Though to be fair perhaps I shouldnt even compare because of the progress in animation from the years of early BTAS till now.
I also prefer the type of Batman we got in BatB. BTAS has a more conflicted and flawed Batman which helps with the structure of that show as it deals with a lot of thematic storytelling. He does have his light hearted moments but for the most part he doesn't display the same heroic confidence BatB Batman does there are times when he "loses" and you see the hurt.
BatB Batman on the other hand always seems to be in control of himself there is nothing that could be put past him. The guy is a heroes hero, he comes across as a more seasoned and experienced hero. I also love the fact that he has adventures not just in Gotham but where ever his heroic deeds are needed it reminds me a whole lot of the globe throtting "James Bond" Batman from the O'Neill era of the comics who felt crime had no perimeter restrictions.
When it comes to comic books and animated media I prefer that more I suppose to a more restricted Batman but I could see how some would like him to be more "grounded" and less superherois. This is one of the reasons I'm one of those who has really enjoyed Morrison's recent run though as this is the type of Batman he presents.
In the end though both shows are amongst the best in TV history if you ask me and once we get proper DVD's for this series I will proudly display them right next to my BTAS seasons and live action and animated Batman movies with pride and joy.
TruerToTheCore
04-01-2009, 04:45 PM
Well, I can honestly say that I love them both.
BTAS has the better single episodes, TBATB is - on average - better, although I didn't like the Adam Strange episode at all. Another point: Animation. Even for nostaglia's sake, BTAS suffers a lot.
For the tone, well, that depends on my mood. Batman's personality is fine with me, on both takes and it's nice to see the "fearless adventurer" again, I think we will never get him in the comics again so it's all fine.
I will decide this subject when I own my DVD collection of TBATB.
DarkReflections
04-01-2009, 11:07 PM
batman: the animated series. if it was between batman: the brave and the bold and the batman it would hands down be the brave and the bold.
TruerToTheCore
04-03-2009, 08:17 AM
I really dont like this show at all. Its too kiddy and cheesey. I'd actually like to see a more serious batman animated series. Almost something like Gotham Knight
except that Gotham Knight was not good and TBATB is. :word:
Dark Knight90!
04-03-2009, 10:08 AM
except that Gotham Knight was not good and TBATB is. :word:
6 short stories encapsulated within a 75 minute run time... does not equate to a 26 episode season with a singular and distinctive vision.
Two-Face=Badass
04-03-2009, 05:03 PM
6 short stories encapsulated within a 75 minute run time... does not equate to a 26 episode season with a singular and distinctive vision.
That doesn't change the fact that several stories just weren't that great, and that there were plenty of unnecessary scenes.
Dark Knight90!
04-04-2009, 02:05 PM
That doesn't change the fact that several stories just weren't that great, and that there were plenty of unnecessary scenes.
That may be so... but you still can't compare it to Batman: The Brave and the Bold, in what is essentially a light vs. dark debate.
Daredevil_2003
04-04-2009, 03:32 PM
Here's a question that I've asked a few times since day one: Why can't there be both? BTAS wasn't dark and dreary all the time, and the much maligned Schumacker movies weren't always lighthearted and campy. Even the Nolan films have their lighter moments.
DJ Kornphlake
04-04-2009, 03:58 PM
BatB has had non-lighthearted moments. Batman's flashback to him as a kid at Christmas and Aquaman's depression after seeing a whale illegally hunted and killed come to mind.
BatB has had non-lighthearted moments. Batman's flashback to him as a kid at Christmas and Aquaman's depression after seeing a whale illegally hunted and killed come to mind.
Not to mention Deadman and Plastic Man's origins, the flashback with Batman taining with the terrible trio and Bronze Tiger,Ted Kord's death, Bruce Wayne's parents souls calling out to Batman's soul and Batman contemplating going towards the light. This show isn't just funny jokes and action it has a balance.
Daredevil_2003
04-04-2009, 05:16 PM
I've seen all but 3 episodes and there's not much of a balance, IMO. It's 90% funny jokes and action. I'm not saying it doesn't work. It just doesn't have that mix of the dark knight and caped crusader aspects that BTAS did, to me. That show had the grim vigilante and the superhero adventurer aspects. This only has the latter.
DJ Kornphlake
04-04-2009, 05:30 PM
He wasn't very grim in the Silver Age though.
Daredevil_2003
04-04-2009, 07:13 PM
I thought rainbow Batman was pretty serious business...
TruerToTheCore
04-04-2009, 07:26 PM
A man in a batsuit is always serious business!
Two-Face=Badass
04-04-2009, 09:33 PM
I've seen all but 3 episodes and there's not much of a balance, IMO. It's 90% funny jokes and action. I'm not saying it doesn't work. It just doesn't have that mix of the dark knight and caped crusader aspects that BTAS did, to me. That show had the grim vigilante and the superhero adventurer aspects. This only has the latter.
What balance? There's no such thing as balance, since there can be straight up comedy and totally depressingly serious. Not to mention there are far, far, far more aspects than simply the two you mention. I could counter as saying this show is a perfect balance of Silver Age mixed with modern superhero sensibility, but it and every show is more than the sum of two parts.
Daredevil_2003
04-05-2009, 09:18 PM
Ummm....right.
Duneboy
04-06-2009, 08:59 PM
What did you guys think about 'gotham knight'? I thought it was pretty damn good.
Bathead
04-06-2009, 10:29 PM
I enjoyed it a lot, but there seems to be more than a few on this board don't like it. Quite frankly, I don't understand why.
SHADOWBAT69
04-06-2009, 11:32 PM
I didnt like the animation in most of it. Not a fan of that style.
SHADOWBAT69
04-06-2009, 11:32 PM
I didnt like the animation in most of it. Not a fan of that style.
Two-Face=Badass
04-07-2009, 01:17 AM
I quite liked it, I'd give it a 3 1/2 out of 5. What I didn't like was the inferior version of the TNBA episode Legends of the Dark Knight (though it had awesome animation with the exception of talking faces), as well as parts like the hospital bit in the fifth story. There was no reason for the latter, it felt like the producers were putting bloody moments like that in the stories because they weren't censored anymore, or wanted to continually remind people that this was an "adult" film. I also didn't like that Wayne Manor was present in the last story.
That said, the stories In Darkness Dwells, Training and Deadshot all blew me away, with the latter two being some of the best Batman stories animated in my opinion.
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