Composer for Spider-Man 4

[Kurayami]

All right. I tried searching this and nothing came up, so if there is already a thread like this and I missed it, mods can delete this.


This thread has been created to discuss the music in the upcoming sequels. Talk about the styles you like to hear, themes, composers, etc.

I'll start things off by saying although I liked the music from the previous movies, I think a new theme might be in order. There was something that it lacked. I'm not really sure what it was. We need something a bit more(for lack of a better word) heroic.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wpG0NAZxs

It just sounds better to me than the previous theme and I think it should go in that direction.

With that, let's begin the discussion.:spidey:

[I Am The Knight]

I actually liked the Elfman theme. I suppose since the new movies will be apparently set in the same continuity and all, that they'll keep some variation of the theme.

[TheSlag]

The Spider-Man theme is Greatness! You do NOT fix... "Greatness".

[luke1234]

SPider-man 3 did lack the music of the first two. I wish elfman came back

[Spider-ManHero12]

Personally, I think the 4th film will have alot of the themes from the first 3 films, with, obviously, new Villian theme added in. The Peter Parker theme is also a must have. :up:

[TheSlag]

SPider-man 3 did lack the music of the first two. I wish elfman came back


*Agreed*

Although it will be hard to ever be better than the first. Just a cold hard fact of nature. I still remember chills setting in the theater with the graphics from SM1 showing, with the theme playing.... GREATNESS

[Visionary]

I remember wondering...why is Batman's music playing while I'm watching Spider-Man. :dry:

[TheSlag]

Maybe IF you took off those Clown Ears you were wearing you could hear the differences Oscar. :woot:

[LightningFlash]

Personally, I think the 4th film will have alot of the themes from the first 3 films, with, obviously, new Villian theme added in. The Peter Parker theme is also a must have. :up:

Hahaha, well that's kinda obvious...Spider-Man 2 had the same music as the first one, and even though Spider-Man 3 had a new composer, they still kept the main components from the last two movies.

Obvious post, haha.

[d.k.]

The whole main idea/main theme for the music is fairly solid, but everything added in was pretty lackluster for sp3

[webhead731]

Elfman.

No argument. His Spidey theme is as great as his Batman theme.

It IS Spider-Man.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I would absoloutely love for Elfman to return, but idoubt he will do to his complications with sam involving S-M2.

[Secret_Riddle]

The theme the OP posted is, to me, far better than Elfman's original theme.

Honestly, with that new music..those scenes haven't been that exhilarating since I first saw them.

Spider-man 3's cut and paste score was a disgusting attempt at originality. I don't blame the composer Raimi brought on however, since most of his music wasn't even used.

[spideyman101]

James Newton Howard

[The Slang]

yeh I got a little sick of the music in the movies... the way you always hear the choir of mostly female voices going 'aauwww' everytime he swings on a friggin web. Trying to make it sound 'magical' and epic or something when we've already seen him swing plenty times. I hope in the next movie we can see him go down the street or take off without the sound of a room of people going 'auuwwWwWWw-ah-auuwww!!' THIS aint space oddeysey, this aint harry potter.

[I Am The Knight]

^I think that only happened in the third one.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hahaha, well that's kinda obvious...Spider-Man 2 had the same music as the first one, and even though Spider-Man 3 had a new composer, they still kept the main components from the last two movies.

Obvious post, haha. Ummm, okay.

[The Slang]

^I think that only happened in the third one.

I recall it happening in the 2nd, my memories alittle foggy with the 1st. But Im pretty sure that in all of them they had the choir chime in everytime he swings on a web... even during the villain fights, theyd switch quickly back and forth between sinister music and the choir soon as spidey gets airbourne.

[p4poetic]

yeh I got a little sick of the music in the movies... the way you always hear the choir of mostly female voices going 'aauwww' everytime he swings on a friggin web. Trying to make it sound 'magical' and epic or something when we've already seen him swing plenty times. I hope in the next movie we can see him go down the street or take off without the sound of a room of people going 'auuwwWwWWw-ah-auuwww!!' THIS aint space oddeysey, this aint harry potter.

I don't recall this... :huh:

[SalaciousVC]

yeh I got a little sick of the music in the movies... the way you always hear the choir of mostly female voices going 'aauwww' everytime he swings on a friggin web. Trying to make it sound 'magical' and epic or something when we've already seen him swing plenty times. I hope in the next movie we can see him go down the street or take off without the sound of a room of people going 'auuwwWwWWw-ah-auuwww!!' THIS aint space oddeysey, this aint harry potter.

UM,yuhhhhh

WAT

[Daredevil_2003]

All right. I tried searching this and nothing came up, so if there is already a thread like this and I missed it, mods can delete this.


This thread has been created to discuss the music in the upcoming sequels. Talk about the styles you like to hear, themes, composers, etc.

I'll start things off by saying although I liked the music from the previous movies, I think a new theme might be in order. There was something that it lacked. I'm not really sure what it was. We need something a bit more(for lack of a better word) heroic.

Maybe something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99wpG0NAZxs

It just sounds better to me than the previous theme and I think it should go in that direction.

With that, let's begin the discussion.:spidey:That was epic. Beautiful.

Elfman's music was serviceable but it wasn't great, and nowhere near his Batman theme. That damn choir alone annoyed the living hell out of me, at times...it has it's moments but overall it's bleh.

I'd really like to see John Powell get a crack at it. The Bourne Trilogy and X3 are two of my favorite scores. The man is a genius with creating themes and scoring both the intense action and the quite emotional moments. My vote is for him. :up:

[Daredevil_2003]

Kevin Manthei's score to the USM game is also worth listening to. Much more 'Spidey-ish', to me. I have a few tracks off it if anyone's interested.

It's not the best composition in the world, but the general direction is where I think the music in the next film(s) needs to go.

[ChocheTheHero]

Kept Danny Elfman. I want the music of the intro like this:

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[Doctor Jones]

yeh I got a little sick of the music in the movies... the way you always hear the choir of mostly female voices going 'aauwww' everytime he swings on a friggin web. Trying to make it sound 'magical' and epic or something when we've already seen him swing plenty times. I hope in the next movie we can see him go down the street or take off without the sound of a room of people going 'auuwwWwWWw-ah-auuwww!!' THIS aint space oddeysey, this aint harry potter.

Are you high?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by The Slang http://forums.superherohype.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16122293#post16122293)
yeh I got a little sick of the music in the movies... the way you always hear the choir of mostly female voices going 'aauwww' everytime he swings on a friggin web. Trying to make it sound 'magical' and epic or something when we've already seen him swing plenty times. I hope in the next movie we can see him go down the street or take off without the sound of a room of people going 'auuwwWwWWw-ah-auuwww!!' THIS aint space oddeysey, this aint harry potter.
I completely disagree. What's wrong with there being epic music when he swings? It doesn't take away anything, it adds to the greatness.

[Agent 194]

My friend's 4 and 5 yr olds love the minimalistic rock song from the new cartoon. I think the source speaks for itself. I guess it's okay but I hope they don't go that route.

Aside from new music I'd love to see the whole series take a different route. No more poor, crying, whiney Peter with the ugly faces. And no more of the type of music that accompanied those type of scenes.

[The Slang]

My friend's 4 and 5 yr olds love the minimalistic rock song from the new cartoon. I think the source speaks for itself. I guess it's okay but I hope they don't go that route.

Aside from new music I'd love to see the whole series take a different route. No more poor, crying, whiney Peter with the ugly faces. And no more of the type of music that accompanied those type of scenes.

Lol, maguire does look like a hideous chud when he cries

[The Slang]

I completely disagree. What's wrong with there being epic music when he swings? It doesn't take away anything, it adds to the greatness.

okay I just watched one of the movies not long ago and the choir wasnt quite as constant as I remembered. But it did always have this, epic Id say 'magical' music when hes swinging. I liked it at first but after a while I wanted something less theatrical. Something jazzy, kinda retro with a bit of style. I liked the downplayed swingscenes in older stories where he's just thinking to himself, or readin the paper... it wasnt always epic. Not to him, thats just how he gets around. In a book I gazed at in the newsagency I saw spidey walking across a wall and is offered some popcorn by a guy on his balcony.

Spidey replies with something like: is it buttered?

Guy: Yeh

Spidey: Real butter or that fake stuff?

Guy:its real

He takes some and lifts his mask to eat it as he walks away along side the building and the guy goes: I love this city.

Anyway, my origional point was... I hope the music in the next movie is a little more casual, less dramatic.

[Daredevil_2003]

I completely disagree. What's wrong with there being epic music when he swings? It doesn't take away anything, it adds to the greatness.Not when it's annoying epic music. Which that choir definitely is after a lil bit.

[mclay18]

SPider-man 3 did lack the music of the first two. I wish elfman came back

Uh. It did -- a good amount of Young's score was either replaced with Elfman's score from the first two films, or re-recordings of Elfman's themes arranged to fit the film (or as Young put it, John Debney and Deborah Lurie rescored some scenes using Elfman's themes but writing in Young's style). The bit where Aunt May give Peter her engagement ring is overlayed with Elfman's rejected cue in S-M 2 (it's available on the score CD, "Aunt May Packs"), and a good portion of the battle climax had Elfman's score tracked in too.

And Young was strong-armed into using Elfman's themes -- the main theme, the Green Goblin theme and the "fate" theme was heard in Young's original score too. He wrote new themes for Aunt May, Mary Jane and other things that were replaced at the request of Sony music executives.

I wouldn't mind seeing Young coming back for a second go-round, though. I'd like to see him craft some new themes for Aunt May, Mary Jane and others -- as long as he kept Elfman's main theme.

[Doctor Jones]

Though Birth of Sandman was beautiful, that was about the only thing going for it. I felt the black suit could of used a stronger theme. But I just wished Elfman came back. He was one of the reasons why the first two film were so great.

[ScottishFogg]

I have no *REAL* complaints about Elfman, but there's a part of me that would love to see what Hans Zimmer could come up with.

[venomvsspidey]

i dont care WHO composes the score; as long as IT GETS RELEASED

[Leenie]

I would like to see Elfman come back, though that probably won't happen.

I love his Spider-Man theme. It's perfect.

[Spider-Man Luvr28]

I have no *REAL* complaints about Elfman, but there's a part of me that would love to see what Hans Zimmer could come up with.

I would like to see Elfman come back, though that probably won't happen.

I love his Spider-Man theme. It's perfect.

I agree with you both.:o:up:

[venomvsspidey]

is this a legit reason for why 3's score is unreleased?

Was searching the net [yes; STILL] and i found this as a reason as to why it's unreleased:

It's funny. The release of the score isn't due to Sony's refusal to release it. Chris won't release it as he would have to cut out all of Danny Elfman's music that he worked into the score and that's just something Chris artistically does not want to do. Case closed.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/boar...3599&archive=0

[mclay18]

I don't know why Sony would force Young to cut out all references to the Elfman themes, as there probably wouldn't be enough music to fit on a CD. I know it would be money, as Sony would have to pay Elfman in addition to Young, but it doesn't make any sense.

I mean, John Ottman was allowed to use John Williams' themes for SR and he wasn't forced to cut out any music incorporating Williams' stuff for the CD release. Not to mention countless other composers have adapted Williams' Star Wars music for TV shows and such. If music companies are willing to shell out money to Williams, then surely they can do that for Elfman and Young (Elfman is probably a bit more cheaper than Williams).

Well if Young stays on for S-M 4 maybe Sony will release a CD with both scores from S-M 3 and S-M 4.

[venomvsspidey]

I don't know why Sony would force Young to cut out all references to the Elfman themes, as there probably wouldn't be enough music to fit on a CD. I know it would be money, as Sony would have to pay Elfman in addition to Young, but it doesn't make any sense.

I mean, John Ottman was allowed to use John Williams' themes for SR and he wasn't forced to cut out any music incorporating Williams' stuff for the CD release. Not to mention countless other composers have adapted Williams' Star Wars music for TV shows and such. If music companies are willing to shell out money to Williams, then surely they can do that for Elfman and Young (Elfman is probably a bit more cheaper than Williams).

Well if Young stays on for S-M 4 maybe Sony will release a CD with both scores from S-M 3 and S-M 4.

that would be badass

[Bubastis]

I know everybody is saying this and that it won't happen, but Elfman. His score is so beautifully woven into what Spider-Man is in my mind. He gets it all. How a visual impacts an audience, the grandeur and "wow" factor of seeing somebody actually do these incredible things, the madness of the goblin and the tragedy and honesty of Otto Octavious, and most importantly the soul of peter parker, his honesty, his kindness, and the soul of Peter Parker.

Listening to the score from the first Spider-Man movie is still one of the most wonderful experiences I've had with music.

[venomvsspidey]

I know everybody is saying this and that it won't happen, but Elfman. His score is so beautifully woven into what Spider-Man is in my mind. He gets it all. How a visual impacts an audience, the grandeur and "wow" factor of seeing somebody actually do these incredible things, the madness of the goblin and the tragedy and honesty of Otto Octavious, and most importantly the soul of peter parker, his honesty, his kindness, and the soul of Peter Parker.

Listening to the score from the first Spider-Man movie is still one of the most wonderful experiences I've had with music.

it doesent matter what anyone says, elfman said he aint comin back..no way;no how

[Doctor Jones]

I know everybody is saying this and that it won't happen, but Elfman. His score is so beautifully woven into what Spider-Man is in my mind. He gets it all. How a visual impacts an audience, the grandeur and "wow" factor of seeing somebody actually do these incredible things, the madness of the goblin and the tragedy and honesty of Otto Octavious, and most importantly the soul of peter parker, his honesty, his kindness, and the soul of Peter Parker.

Listening to the score from the first Spider-Man movie is still one of the most wonderful experiences I've had with music.

:up:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I would prefer Elfman to come back, but knowing he wont, I would be happy with Christopher Young coming back, his Spidey 3 score grew on me over time, and I have actually come to like it a lot now, I would be okay with him.

[CFE]

I wouldn't mind Elfman returning of course...and anyone who was reminded of 'Batman' by Elfman's music for 'Spider-Man' is being a bit over-zealous.

His 'Spider-Man' material sounded NOTHING like his scores for the 'Batman' films.

Aside from Elfman and Chris Young...hmmm...Marco Beltrami and Michael Giacchino are two of my favorites.

[Threshold]

The Spider-Man 3 music was a movie-breaker in several parts. The music over the second Peter/Harry fight felt like it was taken out of West Side Story or something.

[CFE]

Agreed, to an extent.

On the one hand, Chris Young's "Sandman Theme" sounded like an incredibly generic piece of villain music...literally it sounded like something you could play over cartoon footage of Boris and Natasha or something.

But then, out of nowhere, Chris hits you with the theme for "Black Suit (Symbiote) Spidey" which I absolutely LOVED...I want them to release the score just on the basis for that bit of music.

[Hypestyle]

Quincy Jones...

[Threshold]

I think they need someone like Howard Shore to do this thing right. Blending the epic emotionality of his LOTR scores with something a little more edgy and off-beat like his stuff with David Cronenberg could lead to something really cool.

Another composer who could nail this thing is Michael Giacchino. But I think he should score everything...

[CFE]

Another composer who could nail this thing is Michael Giacchino. But I think he should score everything...

After his 'Incredibles' score and 'Cloverfield' overture, I would definately agree. I can't wait to hear his score to 'Star Trek XI.'

[SpaceWay2009]

I know that Elfman and Raimi had some kind of argument or disagreement, but Elfman should come back. By the way, can someone explain to me what exactly happened?

[venomvsspidey]

I know that Elfman and Raimi had some kind of argument or disagreement, but Elfman should come back. By the way, can someone explain to me what exactly happened?

well raimi wanted elfman to keep on temping tracks, then on one cue raimi wanted elfman refused to emulate one of chris young's cues.elfman finally said "YOU WANT CHRIS YOUNG? THEN GO GET CHRIS YOUNG!!". and raimi did. hence, the falling out,because of temp tracking and cue emulation,which as an unwanted bonus got us the no spider-man 3 score album.

ELFMAN: They wanted this one cue that was basically from Hellraiser and I
was like "I can't get any closer and I'm not going to imitate [Hellraiser
composer] Christopher Young. Go ******* hire Christopher Young." So they
hired Christopher Young to do a cue like Hellraiser and he couldn't get
close enough to Hellraiser so they ended up licensing the cue from
Hellraiser.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Indeed, it's sad, but true.

[SpaceWay2009]

well raimi wanted elfman to keep on temping tracks, then on one cue raimi wanted elfman refused to emulate one of chris young's cues.elfman finally said "YOU WANT CHRIS YOUNG? THEN GO GET CHRIS YOUNG!!". and raimi did. hence, the falling out,because of temp tracking and cue emulation,which as an unwanted bonus got us the no spider-man 3 score album.

ELFMAN: They wanted this one cue that was basically from Hellraiser and I
was like "I can't get any closer and I'm not going to imitate [Hellraiser
composer] Christopher Young. Go ******* hire Christopher Young." So they
hired Christopher Young to do a cue like Hellraiser and he couldn't get
close enough to Hellraiser so they ended up licensing the cue from
Hellraiser. Well, that sucks. I really do hope Elfman comes back, though.

Just one other question: Did Elfman leave during the production of Spider-Man 3 or did he leave after Spider-Man 2? I read on IMDB that Elfman left because Raimi turned down some of his new scores for Spider-Man 2. Which explains why we got Christopher Young instead.

[venomvsspidey]

Well, that sucks. I really do hope Elfman comes back, though.

Just one other question: Did Elfman leave during the production of Spider-Man 3 or did he leave after Spider-Man 2? I read on IMDB that Elfman left because Raimi turned down some of his new scores for Spider-Man 2. Which explains why we got Christopher Young instead.

im not sure...but i think it was right after pre-production wrapped on spidey 2.im so bummed this happened.yes, it was 2 years ago..but still..dont get me wrong, what young composed was absolutley brilliant for S-M3,But it's of course on bootleg,and i hate boots.my collection will never be complete.

*sigh*

[Doctor Jones]

Meh, Young's score wasn't that great. Hell, even the credits music is different from the ebginning, that's what disapointed me the most. That music with the drum beats in the Marvel flipping part was different, it wasn't the same to me.

Elfman would of been so much better. I a great example of the balck suit theme would of been in Red Dragon which Elfman did do.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Hmm, I wonder if Elfman would actually do S-M4?

[venomvsspidey]

Hmm, I wonder if Elfman would actually do S-M4?

well elfman has had disputes with directors before and stated that [he would never work with them again],then went to score one of their films later on...but..for some odd reason i have a feeling he means it this time...:(

[SpaceWay2009]

well elfman has had disputes with directors before and stated that [he would never work with them again],then went to score one of their films later on...but..for some odd reason i have a feeling he means it this time...:(What if Sony offered him a great deal? I really want Elfman back! But if he doesn't come back, I'll settle for Young.

[venomvsspidey]

What if Sony offered him a great deal? I really want Elfman back! But if he doesn't come back, I'll settle for Young.

Im not sure of elfmans priorities,but im pretty sure that with a great deal from sony,and a serious apology from raimi,it might happen..but thats just my intake on it.

[SpaceWay2009]

Im not sure of elfmans priorities,but im pretty sure that with a great deal from sony,and a serious apology from raimi,it might happen..but thats just my intake on it.I hope that would happen.

[venomvsspidey]

^^

that would be cool to have him back,then we could prob. get spider-man 3/4 : score albums

[SpaceWay2009]

^^

that would be cool to have him back,then we could prob. get spider-man 3/4 : score albumsYeah! By the way, what has Elfman been up to lately? Is he composing for a new movie, or something?

[venomvsspidey]

Yeah! By the way, what has Elfman been up to lately? Is he composing for a new movie, or something?

he's currently scoring universal studio's remake of the wolfman

[Doctor Jones]

He's doing the Wolfman? Awesome!

Plus he's scoring TS.

[venomvsspidey]

i know. im excited ;)

[Daredevil_2003]

He's doing the Wolfman? Awesome!

Plus he's scoring TS.What's a TS?

[venomvsspidey]

What's a TS?

Terminator : Salvation

[Daredevil_2003]

Oh. Sweet! :D

[Spider-Vader]

Eh I hope Young doesn't return. The only score I felt was memorable was Symbiote Spidey's theme.

[venomvsspidey]

i wanna hear the 10+ themes that he composed that were dropped in favor of elfmans cues...

[Batman137]

how great it would be to have hans zimmer. but he his only for batman, and i want it to stay that way. I would love to have elfman back though.

[SpaceWay2009]

I wonder how Hans Zimmer would compose for Spider-Man 4. Imagine how great the themes would be.

[Batman137]

i know. but he really just needs to focus on one superhero movie for now. His themes for batman are easily one of the best in movie history (for me :) )

[CaptainStacy]

Im not sure of elfmans priorities,but im pretty sure that with a great deal from sony,and a serious apology from raimi,it might happen..but thats just my intake on it.

I've heard Danny and Sam have locked horns and made up again a few times in the past...

[Hobgoblin-demon]

They should really just bring elfman back. 3's music was still good, but not as good as the previous installments. But they shoudl definanlty keep the original soundtrack. That'd be like Batman 3 changing it's theme completely, the music also defines the character.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I've heard Danny and Sam have locked horns and made up again a few times in the past... Well, then that's good. I just hope that this time, Elfman will make up with Sam.

[Dark Knight90!]

He's doing the Wolfman? Awesome!

Plus he's scoring TS.

Also Alice in Wonderland which takes that movie up a few notches!!

Elfman and Tim Burton had a small falling out during/ after The Nightmare Before Christmas (All those great songs must have been hard work) which is why we got a Danny Elfman-less Ed Wood.

[venomvsspidey]

so, is it official, young again?

[Vis]

I remember wondering...why is Batman's music playing while I'm watching Spider-Man. :dry:Look at me, I'm quoting myself, and I agree with me 100%. :)