'H2', Rob Zombie's sequel to 'Halloween'

[Fresh Prince]

Zombie isn't coming back. But I have every reason to believe the My Bloody Valentine director is who the Weinsteins are talking to about H3D

You think Guillermo del Toro could work?

[JustABill]

Zombie isn't coming back. But I have every reason to believe the My Bloody Valentine director is who the Weinsteins are talking to about H3D
I hope not. That film was a terrible mess of a film that relied more on the gimmick than a good plot.

Could be Alexandre Aja director of the Piranha 3-D and The Hills Have Eyes, I actually think he'd suit this remake series more.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I would love a Dr. Satan film.

Was Dr. Satan suppose to kill Dawson's character in the movie?

Yeah, Satan ripped her throat out and she was covered in like five gallons of blood. It was uber extreme over done. I think Rob intentionaly made it so silly that he wouldn't even consider using it, not being Dr. Satan wasn't 'unrealistic' enough.

[Fresh Prince]

Yeah, Satan ripped her throat out and she was covered in like five gallons of blood. It was uber extreme over done. I think Rob intentionaly made it so silly that he wouldn't even consider using it, not being Dr. Satan wasn't 'unrealistic' enough.

They need to make a Dr. Satan movie and redo that scene. Have it be on the unrated version.

[The Apatow Crew]

You know what I'm just done with this thread. Cause I guess its okay for some certain people to just babble on about something they know nothing of!

But whatever this thread went down the crapper a long time ago, due to no no mods caring about this, but when others say something its those who get in trouble.

[Heretic]

Zombie's two Halloween films are the first 6 all mashed into one...leaving out the Curse Of Thorn, and Laurie took on the entire storyarc, instead of replacing her with Jamie midway through.

All the elements are there...psychic link with Jamie/Laurie, spoiler ending of H2 with Laurie/Jamie...it never contradicts the original films, but simply leaves out info on the Curse, and never brings in Jamie. I am fine with him using Laurie for the entire arc instead of Jamie because Jamies mere existence in 4-6 makes the original laurie into a horrible person who sent her own daughter to be hunted and killed in order to save herself and her other child.

[JustABill]

You know what I'm just done with this thread. Cause I guess its okay for some certain people to just babble on about something they know nothing of!

But whatever this thread went down the crapper a long time ago, due to no no mods caring about this, but when others say something its those who get in trouble.
Dude, just put the person I think you are talking about on ignore. That's all you gotta do.

[Nightmare]

I agree, this thread's turn to crap a long time ago. Not really sure why either. We're all adults who seemed to like the Michael Myers movies. What happend?

[Heretic]

We're all adults who seemed to like the Michael Myers movies. What happend?

Rob Zombie's scripting our responses?

[Nightmare]

Good point.

[JustABill]

Rob Zombie's scripting our responses?
In that case...

''**** **** **** **** **** you. **** man. ****! MOTHER****ER! ****. I'm gonna go **** a corpse."

[DACrowe]

Well I just saw H2 through...dubious means. And I'm sure glad I did. But because the picture was awfully grainy and dark, could someone please tell me two things I couldn't make out:

a) Was Michael eating that dog during the intercut with the pizza? Did I see that right????

and

b) SPOILERS



How did Michael kill Annie, I couldn't make it out, other than she dying



Okay as for my thoughts on this POS...



As someone who actually liked Rob Zombie's first Halloween--I am horrified at how banal and terrible this movie was. The first one Zombie took some interesting ideas and made the original movie his own and brought something new to the table. Yeah, yeah, Carpenter's superior Michael Myers is a force of nature not a fascinating psychological sicko, but we'd seen 8 movies of that prior (at least 6 of which sucked) so why not something new?

So with that in mind I thought Zombie's remake, for a horror remake, was kind of refreshing despite its massive flaws of redneck and foul language overload. The pacing was awkward but it made Michael a very interesting character with intrinsic and exterior problems that contributed to a very scary creation and gave a truly meaty and interesting relationship between him and Dr. Loomis. And if you ever saw the work print, despite missing some decent additions (more scenes between Sam and Mikey) it had a very good ending.


And then I saw H2....



MAJOR SPOILERS TO THE PLOT BELOW


After all the complaints of all his ****** mistakes (some of which I disagree with) for the first one, it feels like Zombie after suffering some creative setbacks took the paycheck and decided to punish the audience. You want a 2 hour mindless kill spree, he says? Okay, here you go. I appreciated a slasher movie that meant to disturb the audience and threaten it in the horror of the images as opposed to gratifying a frat boy blood lust a la FT13 remake or the new TCM movies. But come H2 Zombie is as guilty as the rest of them, except his mindless violence is repulsive just to be repulsive so as to only avenge his mindset on fanboys on the interwebs.


When the movie started I thought despite the stupid gratuitous coroner rednecks talking about necrophilia, it began fairly strong. I liked the opening shots of Laurie walking away from the night of horror. The nurse dying was in the vein of the first film where it was brutal but served a purpose in developing the character (I do not mind the addition of orgasmic grunts as it only paints a more vivid picture of this sister killing enigma) and the introduction of the new family developed between Laurie, Annie and Sheriff Brackett was really good. These are the best scenes of the movies when you see their dysfunctional suffering together. The sheriff is an honest and good man just trying to help these two traumatized young women he loves cope with PTS. It manifests in Annie becoming a dropout and a shut-in recluse who also has matured from silly teen in the first to maternal den mother. And seeing Laurie cope with therapy and true horror with full PTS symptoms was a refreshing development of a girl in a sequel to surviving a slasher movie (as opposed to jetting happily to Hawaii the next year or chilling happily in college, etc). Dourif and Harris do very good work in their scenes and inject the movie with some much needed humanity.

But unfortunately that is not the movie. That is a handful of scenes...

We also have to deal with Laurie stupidly having pentagrams and Manson posters in her house even though she is supposed to be recovering from such terror. We get treated to the rednecks of Deliverance picking a fight with a seven foot giant who should remind them, considering he is a seven foot giant in a Halloween mask, of the famous serial killer that killed 15 people a few miles over less than a year earlier. Same would go with the stupid stripper workers. These are gratuitous scenes that serve NO PURPOSE other than to build up a body count and are disgusting.

Add to this Michael randomly knowing who Laurie's new friends are without stalking her and killing them while having sex making the most boring of rehashes of all slasher movies.


But the worst attacks on decency come with two developments.

1) The most interesting aspect of Zombie's reimagining--Loomis and Michael's relationship and his tragic underpinnings of failure--are completely absent in this movie. Instead we get an extremely bad string of scenes with very poor dialogue of him pimping his book out and being a tool. What happened to the "I failed you Michael, I'm sorry," from the last film? Instead we get, "This is the new Sam Loomis." All this is done for the entirety of the movie until the last 5 minutes where he has an arbitrary change of heart and we get a nearly BEAT-FOR-BEAT INFERIOR REHASH OF THE ENDING OF THE LAST MOVIE except....

2) Now Michael and Laurie see Mommy. A mommy that Laurie never knew. A mommy that is only in Michael's heads as it is his poorly dramatized delusions. But for some reason they hold her down too and she sees them with no logical explanation other than it is a plot device to get to the Psycho movie rip off at the end and give Michael the opportunity to kill Loomis....again. What bull ****.

To be fair the movie had its moments of actual pathos. I was very sad to see Annie go. She was truly a very sympathetic character and in a slasher movie made in the last 20 movies, that is extremely rare. She is probably the only fully developed victim in a slasher in years. Her death was quite heartbreaking, especially given the well displayed reactions of Laurie and Sheriff Brackett, which sells that family angle I liked very much in this movie and could have seen play out as a drama without a guy in a mask with a knife.


But noooooooooooooooo. We get a boring payday rehash of the first movie except as gratuitous and stupid of the movies Zombie used to mock. And that ending with the non-sensical horse that Laurie is seeing and the final scene being a Psycho knockoff and not profound, but just sad that Zombie chose to end his series so pitifully. Truly a wasted opportunity. For my money the story ended at the end of the last movie, which I did enjoy. And it also really ended there for Zombie, except for his money. His paycheck is bigger, Annie is dead, Laurie is off the deep end, and it all happened the same way again...except stupider.


4.5/10. So high for that one plot thread and the entertainment value of Malcom hamming it up. But as I have to round in voting, I'm going to take it down a notch because of the stupidity of that ending and the lack of heart in this film. Still better than TCM:TB and the FT13 remake, but the movie still sucks. And it didn't have to.

[CelticPredator]

You people are really serious....you really cant handle anyone elses opinions...? Wow...

[Nightmare]

Im gonna through a ***** fit and leave! *throws back hair*

[Darkness Falls]

lol @ nightmare's response

[Heretic]

DaCrowe: Why do you hate the ending so much when it is basically a recreation of the ending of an earlier Halloween film? Clearly that plotline is already established in the films, so why hate Zombie for it? Zombie also did not create the concept of a psychic link between Michael and his family, as that was established in earlier films long before Zombie came on board.

[The Apatow Crew]

Dude, just put the person I think you are talking about on ignore. That's all you gotta do.It doesn't matter it'll still get quoted. Plus I don't this there is much really to talk about. I mean besides from people just popping in to say it "sucked balls" And yes that is a actual quote from someone on here in the last few pages.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I'm sitting here watching all the trailers and tv spots on YouTube and WOW...JUST WOW...there is sooo freaking much that was cut out of the film.

Spoiler*
Bracketts reasoning for having the cop posted at his house? WHY? Well in the trailer there's a clip of cops getting calls about Michael being in town......MICHAEL'S ACTUALLY IN TOWN, NOT WALKING TO TOWN!! That's missing!!!!

Spoiler*
Why did Laurie have visions of killing Annie?? Well there's a scene explaining that both girls really hate each other at this point...but it's missing.

There's something to do with a Locker room and Michael killing someone..but it's gone from the film. Also, Michael hung some woman in day light outside...but that's missing too. Also, Michael was seen in several photos, in day light, without the mask, walking in town, without the hobo coat...WHERE'S THAT AT???

I have every reason right now to believe there is a completely BETTER verison of H2 taht explains everything and actually tells a freaking story sitting on the cutting room floor. There's a completely different film that we were denied seeing, and I WANT TO SEE IT!!!

Zombie dude....RELEASE THAT FILM.

[CelticPredator]

That photo was just Tyler without the mask walking around when there wasnt any shooting on.

[DACrowe]

DaCrowe: Why do you hate the ending so much when it is basically a recreation of the ending of an earlier Halloween film? Clearly that plotline is already established in the films, so why hate Zombie for it? Zombie also did not create the concept of a psychic link between Michael and his family, as that was established in earlier films long before Zombie came on board.

I'll answer your question, but first:

SPOILERS, MAJOR SPOILERS


Okay, well it isn't just the ending I hated. I hated the entire rehashing of the first film, except without the heart or passion of that movie and the only death that really had any impact was Annie's, because she and her relationship with her father and Laurie was developed.

But as for the ending, it is a rehash of the one in the last movie. But I would have preferred something different, if Zombie just felt "obligated" to make this movie. And it hits all the beats, but it isn't as good. Laurie running with the theme in full pitch and falling into the swimming pool as Michael circles her like a shark before Loomis comes and pleads Michael to stop like trying to stop a friend from making a bad mistake like drunk driving and then shooting him in the back had some emotional weight. Loomis pleading Michael at the end and their relationship either failing or succeeding based on that final moment (in the superior WP ending Michael listens to Sam and in the still okay ending of the TC/DC Michael rejects Loomis and tries to kill him). Well Loomis severely injures himself to save Laurie as he feels responsible for failing Michael. And then Laurie kills Michael in a very violent way.


This time it just felt rushed. Other than Dourif's extremely sympathetic and tragic plight in that scene there is no humanity to it. Michael has Laurie trapped...again and Loomis goes alone in again. And then Michael attacks and pretty clearly kills Loomis...again. It just was done faster and at a more rushed speed to yawn inducing results. It's been done before and done better.

The only difference (besides Loomis clearly dying) was the psychic link. Yeah it was established in H4-H6. But I really hated those films. Well H4 is kind of entertaining. But the other two were ****e. And to see it introduced to Zombie's stripped down psychological interpretation of the concept felt lazy, asinine and silly. And sticking his wife in as a ghost who doesn't exist and they both see felt forced and arbitrary.

It worked in the last movie. It didn't work here. And Laurie wearing the mask was just silly. Sure Jamie did it. But I wanted something a little smarter. Just because it has precedent doesn't make it a good addition. Ultimately returning to do this movie we ended exactly where we did in the 2007 film, except Annie and Loomis are dead and Laurie is even more ****ed up. The film didn't add anything or missed the opportunities it did have and we ended where we did before, except with lesser results.

[The Apatow Crew]

I'm sure all of that will be released on the unrated directors cut.

Or the part with him yelling No! No! No! No!


And let me just make one thing clear. I have no problem with people not liking the film if they've actually seen it. But to just say "oh I heard someone say" or "I read something online" is I honestly don't know what to say about on here......

But that's just how it is though.

[Heretic]

Actually, we end up where the original series tried and utterly failed to take us.

[CelticPredator]

I can tell you, from the few minutes I saw, I'm sure I'd dislike this movie.

[DACrowe]

I'm sitting here watching all the trailers and tv spots on YouTube and WOW...JUST WOW...there is sooo freaking much that was cut out of the film.

Spoiler*
Bracketts reasoning for having the cop posted at his house? WHY? Well in the trailer there's a clip of cops getting calls about Michael being in town......MICHAEL'S ACTUALLY IN TOWN, NOT WALKING TO TOWN!! That's missing!!!!

Spoiler*
Why did Laurie have visions of killing Annie?? Well there's a scene explaining that both girls really hate each other at this point...but it's missing.

There's something to do with a Locker room and Michael killing someone..but it's gone from the film. Also, Michael hung some woman in day light outside...but that's missing too. Also, Michael was seen in several photos, in day light, without the mask, walking in town, without the hobo coat...WHERE'S THAT AT???

I have every reason right now to believe there is a completely BETTER verison of H2 taht explains everything and actually tells a freaking story sitting on the cutting room floor. There's a completely different film that we were denied seeing, and I WANT TO SEE IT!!!

Zombie dude....RELEASE THAT FILM.

Laurie and Annie originally hated each other in this film? Thank God that got cut as their relationship along with Dourif as a dysfunctional family was the saving grace of the film. It sounds like Zombie can make some good decisions in the editing room. The rest sounds like more gratuitous killing. We had too much of that as is.

[The Apatow Crew]

I'm sitting here watching all the trailers and tv spots on YouTube and WOW...JUST WOW...there is sooo freaking much that was cut out of the film.

Spoiler*
Bracketts reasoning for having the cop posted at his house? WHY? Well in the trailer there's a clip of cops getting calls about Michael being in town......MICHAEL'S ACTUALLY IN TOWN, NOT WALKING TO TOWN!! That's missing!!!!

Spoiler*
Why did Laurie have visions of killing Annie?? Well there's a scene explaining that both girls really hate each other at this point...but it's missing.

There's something to do with a Locker room and Michael killing someone..but it's gone from the film. Also, Michael hung some woman in day light outside...but that's missing too. Also, Michael was seen in several photos, in day light, without the mask, walking in town, without the hobo coat...WHERE'S THAT AT???

I have every reason right now to believe there is a completely BETTER verison of H2 taht explains everything and actually tells a freaking story sitting on the cutting room floor. There's a completely different film that we were denied seeing, and I WANT TO SEE IT!!!

Zombie dude....RELEASE THAT FILM.Maybe those were just on set pictures I don't know.

[Darkness Falls]

And let me just make one thing clear. I have no problem with people not liking the film if they've actually seen it. But to just say "oh I heard someone say" or "I read something online" is I honestly don't know what to say about on here......

But that's just how it is though.

i have to agree with you there, that is INCREDIBLY annoying

[DACrowe]

Actually, we end up where the original series tried and utterly failed to take us.

Perhaps, but I suspect Uncle Mikey will be back in H3D, just minus Loomis and Zombie. I don't know what they are going to do with Laurie but probably H5 her a la Jamie, most likely.

[Matt Mortem]

This thread reminds me of the Terminator:Salvation thread after that movie came out. Things are gettin' pretty scary round these parts

[ABleedingCorpse]

Well another change I noticed is originaly this was set TWO YEARS from the first and not the one.

And it's not that Annie and Laurie hated each other, but they got on each others nerves at one point, which lead into Laurie's freakout dream of her as Michael killing. That felt so out of place to me with no lead up to it. She's just sooo angry, yet we don't get a reason as to why.

[ABleedingCorpse]

Ah..the scene actually is of Laurie complaining to Annie about her problems and Annie telling her she wasn't the only person attacked and has scars. THAT'S WHATS MISSING and why Laurie's freakout scene was so out of place to me.

[bullets]

Some of the cut stuff sounds good . I don't want to hear Myers talk though. The hanging a woman from a tree would of been a cool kill . The idea of Annie and Laurie hating each other was definately unecessary.


As for this movie using elements of 4-6 without the thorn aspect , it makes sense.

[Dark Victory]

Also, if Horatio was here to judge the box office numbers...

"It looks like Halloween..."

*puts on glasses*

"...just reached it's Final Destination..."


YYYYYYYYYYEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.


:woot::woot::woot:

[mclay18]

I really don't get why die-hard Friday the 13th fans hate the 2009 remake. The series was bottom of the barrel to begin with (a ripoff of "Halloween") and yet fans are putting that down because some stuff changed in the remake. Honestly, it retained the formula, same villain and redid it better and with a bigger budget.

But RZ's Halloween movies are just inexcusable. The original 1978 movie was great and RZ's mangling of the franchise (regardless if you like/hate the numerous sequels) is just unforgiveable. At least Platinum Dunes know how to make halfway decent movies, and if the Halloween franchise was in New Line/WB and PD's hands rather than the Weinsteins it would've fared somewhat better.

I'm hoping 2010 will bring a clean slate for the horror genre. Bring on that Nightmare on Elm Street remake and a cleaner-shot, Zombie-less H3.

[The Apatow Crew]

Well another change I noticed is originaly this was set TWO YEARS from the first and not the one.

And it's not that Annie and Laurie hated each other, but they got on each others nerves at one point, which lead into Laurie's freakout dream of her as Michael killing. That felt so out of place to me with no lead up to it. She's just sooo angry, yet we don't get a reason as to why.The anger between the two is shown best in the "leaked" trailer. With Annie saying you're not the only one scared and pushes up her hair a and shows a scar on her forehead.

[Nightmare]

Thanks to our boy BC and his incredible hawk eyes for catching an article over at the LA Times that will make Michael Myers fans very happy. Apparently, Rob Zombie hasn't put an end to franchise as the Weinstein brothers are already planning a return to Haddonfield in 2010 with Halloween 3D. While Halloween II only opened at the #3 spot this weekend, had it not started a fist fight with The Final Destination, it would have easily taken the top spot and make over $30m. The Weinsteins knows this and are quickly making plans for a third film. Read on for the skinny and then talk about who you'd like to see take the reigns. Who could make Myers even better?

From the LA Times:

""Halloween II" may not have won the box office this weekend, but Weinstein Co. is taking a lesson from the movie that did as it prepares a sequel for next summer.

The independent studio's co-Chairman Bob Weinstein said today that the 3-D sequel, titled, appropriately enough, "Halloween 3D," is in development.

The investment it takes to shoot movies in digital 3-D has proved particularly lucrative for horror films. For "The Final Destination," this weekend's No. 1 movie, theaters with at least one 3-D screen earned 3.25 times as much as those that showed the movie in 2-D only, according to distributor Warner Bros. That's substantially higher than for other recent releases. The equivalent 3-D multiple for last month's "G-Force," for instance, was only 1.7 on its first weekend. For July's "Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs" it was 1.4 andm for June's "Up" it was 2.2. January horror flick "My Bloody Valentine" earned 6.4 times as much from 3-D theaters as it did from 2-D on its opening weekend.

Weinstein said Rob Zombie, who directed "Halloween II" and 2007's reboot of the 31-year-old horror series, won't return for "Halloween 3-D." He said the studio is in negotiations with a new director, whom he declined to name, who has experience in horror and has a "different take" on the franchise.

Wtf in theatres by summer of 2010? :facepalm

[DACrowe]

I really don't get why die-hard Friday the 13th fans hate the 2009 remake. The series was bottom of the barrel to begin with (a ripoff of "Halloween") and yet fans are putting that down because some stuff changed in the remake. Honestly, it retained the formula, same villain and redid it better and with a bigger budget.

But RZ's Halloween movies are just inexcusable. The original 1978 movie was great and RZ's mangling of the franchise (regardless if you like/hate the numerous sequels) is just unforgiveable. At least Platinum Dunes know how to make halfway decent movies, and if the Halloween franchise was in New Line/WB and PD's hands rather than the Weinsteins it would've fared somewhat better.

I'm hoping 2010 will bring a clean slate for the horror genre. Bring on that Nightmare on Elm Street remake and a cleaner-shot, Zombie-less H3.

Well I never liked FT13 which may explain why I hated the remake even more. The originals were so bad they were mildly entertaining. The bigger budget just showed competency for a stupid movie to be made.

Which may be why I liked Zombie's first Halloween. While Carpenter's is surely better, the faceless unstoppable monster had been done to death in the countless Michael Myers sequels and FT13 and all the knockoffs in between. So, going a psychological route and giving Michael an interesting character that played very well off of a very well developed Dr. Loomis made for an interesting movie. The ending had a touch of tragedy or at least pathos. But the sequel was just a mess. The more I think about it, a movie just about the Brackett family post-Halloween would have been pretty interesting. Not a good horror movie, but it would have been a much better movie than what we got.

[mclay18]

@ Nightmare:

I wouldn't be surprised if the Weinsteins just dust off a rejected Halloween 2 script, have a writer retool it and then get a director on board. It's not hard, and horror films have a shorter production schedule than other pics.

[Darkness Falls]

by summer 2010 ? why are they going to rush it ?

[deathshead2]

I can't stand how everything was so dark in this movie, and how Zombie used some of the worst camera work I've seen in theaters.

[bullets]

I really don't get why die-hard Friday the 13th fans hate the 2009 remake. The series was bottom of the barrel to begin with (a ripoff of "Halloween") and yet fans are putting that down because some stuff changed in the remake. Honestly, it retained the formula, same villain and redid it better and with a bigger budget.



Seriously they did right by that character with the remake. There was some stuff that could be disliked but overall it was a much needed improvement.

The worst level Myers had attained was the film with Busta Rymes but that wasn't too terrible.
I do like Zombie and his films but I want to get back to the original formula.

[deathshead2]

by summer 2010 ? why are they going to rush it ?They really need the money.

[TheWrathOfGod]

MORE MONEY TO BE MADE!!!

http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/6267/h3poster.jpg

[Nightmare]

by summer 2010 ? why are they going to rush it ?

My Exact question. But Im all for another reboot as long as Rob Zombie, his annoying wife and the white horse arent anywhere near it.

[The Apatow Crew]

Wtf in theatres by summer of 2010? :facepalmI know exactly. Like I said before doesn't 3D take even longer then shooting a regular film?

If anyone wants to complain about something, they can complain about this! They have no story, no director and as of right now no actors and they want it out by summer 2010?

So what are they gonna do just grab a regular video camera, a guy in a Micheal Myers Mask with a knife chasing people down a regular street?

If the final destination wasn't number 1 this week, I can guarantee you the next one wouldn't be in 3 d. and they have to put it out there that this is a non rob zombie directed film I see.

[deathshead2]

I know exactly. Like I said before doesn't 3D take even longer then shooting a regular film?

If anyone wants to complain about something, they can complain about this! They have no story, no director and as of right now no actors and they want it out by summer 2010?

So what are they gonna do just grab a regular video camera, a guy in a Micheal Myers Mask with a knife chasing people down a regular street?

If the final destination wasn't number 1 this week, I can guarantee you the next one wouldn't be in 3 d. and they have to put it out there that this is a non rob zombie directed film I see.
This movie looks like it was shot with a regular video camera, so you sound on target.

[ABleedingCorpse]

It's not so hard to do. It may take a bit longer, but H2 was written and film and done with in about 8 months. . . ....yeah, about that....maybe they should just take it easy and not rush it.

[The Apatow Crew]

Seriously they did right by that character with the remake. There was some stuff that could be disliked but overall it was a much needed improvement.

The worst level Myers had attained was the film with Busta Rymes but that wasn't too terrible.
I do like Zombie and his films but I want to get back to the original formula.original formula? What exactly is the original formula? John Carpenters Halloween. I kid I kid. No one get upset. I'm talking to you mods.:yay:

But seriously the films can only get more worse if their gonna continue with what happen in H2.

[ABleedingCorpse]

This movie looks like it was shot with a regular video camera, so you sound on target.

My biggest cripe about H2 was the SUPER 16 film stock used.

[The Apatow Crew]

It's not so hard to do. It may take a bit longer, but H2 was written and film and done with in about 8 months. . . ....yeah, about that....maybe they should just take it easy and not rush it.And i'm sure whoever they get is gonna be some guy who has wrote a sci fi movie of the week and the director will be a first time director. And he is gonna crumble even more,. So the studio will have more hold over him and he will not disobey or question him on why they want the shoot cut short.

[The Apatow Crew]

My biggest cripe about H2 was the SUPER 16 film stock used.RZ said he prefers shooting on 16 MM then 35 MM.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It doesn't matter it'll still get quoted. Plus I don't this there is much really to talk about. I mean besides from people just popping in to say it "sucked balls" And yes that is a actual quote from someone on here in the last few pages. Tbh, I'm not surprised. I expected endless ranting (it's super annoying).

[Nightmare]

Hmm, any ideas for a director that would make it great? Like bring the franchise back?

[ABleedingCorpse]

And i'm sure whoever they get is gonna be some guy who has wrote a sci fi movie of the week and the director will be a first time director. And he is gonna crumble even more,. So the studio will have more hold over him and he will not disobey or question him on why they want the shoot cut short.

I'd be more than happy to take that job. :word:

[CelticPredator]

Ok, people who say nothing but praise to this film is annoying.

[ABleedingCorpse]

RZ said he prefers shooting on 16 MM then 35 MM.

I know that, but this wasn't his typical 16mm film stock that he used previously. This was a cheaper 16mm.. And yeah, he spoke about wanting it to look dirtier, but for me, the night scenes just were too dark for my taste.

[deathshead2]

Hmm, any ideas for a director that would make it great? Like bring the franchise back?Bringing it back would be really hard to do.

Ti West?
Joe Lynch?

[ABleedingCorpse]

I'm all down for ABleedingCorpse getting his directing debut for H3D. Who's with me?

[Nightmare]

Id have to read some of his ideas first.

[deathshead2]

I'm all down for ABleedingCorpse getting his directing debut for H3D. Who's with me?
Not if I get it first!:cmad:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Ok, people who say nothing but praise to this film is annoying. I have yet to see one person do that.

[Darkness Falls]

lol go for it abc

[The Apatow Crew]

Hmm, any ideas for a director that would make it great? Like bring the franchise back?I'm sure who ever it is. It's not gonna be a big name horror director or even a known one at that.

It'll be a indie director who has made a few indie horror films and this would be his first studio pic.

You know what would be funny as hell? If they got the directors of Inside who were originally suppose to direct H2. Wouldn't that be something?

[TheWrathOfGod]

With the breakdown of H2 and the Weinstein’s failure solidified, it’s only sensible to start anew. It doesn’t take very long to make a Halloween film. Call the next movie Halloween: Homecoming and hire a team of film school students to shoot it for cheap.

Dimension can find some shoddy music video director to head it. The plot would simply be the shape stalking Josh Hartnett in the suburbs with an inexpensive action set piece at the end. Just because Moustapha Akkad got blown up doesn't mean that they can't continue the old franchise.

[Nightmare]

ohh Halloween: Homecoming

[CelticPredator]

I have yet to see one person do that.

I'm being you guys. Anyone who says anything other then "Great film" you find annoying.

Dont say "Oh but if you say it sucks blah balh" NO. If they hate the movie, they can hate the movie, and express their feelings how ever the hell they want to. Why cant you guys get this? I swear, nothing i'm saying is having any effect on you.

People. Have. Different. Opinions.

Either respect them, or ignore them.

[deathshead2]

ohh Halloween: HomecomingWhat,so the prom is to good for him.

[The Apatow Crew]

Bringing it back would be really hard to do.

Ti West?
Joe Lynch?He is making one of those haunting in so so places. Its gonna be like the movie haunting in Connecticut. Except I think its called the Haunting in Georgia.

And only thing I seen Lynch do was Wrong Turn 2. I'd go with Adam Green instead.:yay:

[ABleedingCorpse]

My choice would still be ABleedingCorpse. At least he'd demand that William Shatner not complain when he see's his face in a horror movie again.

[deathshead2]

He is making one of those haunting in so so places. Its gonna be like the movie haunting in Connecticut. Except I think its called the Haunting in Georgia.

And only thing I seen Lynch do was Wrong Turn 2. I'd go with Adam Green instead.:yay:I've seen Greens hacket. I thought it was pretty boring. He doesn't seem like the type to touch this movie, and hes busy. I liked Lynch wrong turn 2 which is a surprise as I hated the first. So, I think he could do an improvement on a Halloween 3.

[Darkness Falls]

the william shatner mask is badass

[TheWrathOfGod]

What,so the prom is to good for him.

Or Halloween: Final Harvest...

Halloween: Ritual ain't bad either...

[TheWrathOfGod]

the william shatner mask is badass

For the remake they could use a Chris Pine mask painted white.

[ABleedingCorpse]

That would be an interesting twist for the mask.

[Motown Marvel]

one of the few great things about this movie was that it was really bad in the same way horror sequels were really bad in the 70's and 80's.

[deathshead2]

Or Halloween: Final Harvest...

Halloween: Ritual ain't bad either...Sounds to much like the cult of thorn is coming back.

[ABleedingCorpse]

ABleedingCorpse as director would not bring back thorn.

[Darkness Falls]

For the remake they could use a Chris Pine mask painted white.

not gonna lie... i lol'd :hehe:

[TheWrathOfGod]

Sounds to much like the cult of thorn is coming back.

Sure, why not? The ending to Halloween 6 is pretty goddamn confusing.

[deathshead2]

ABleedingCorpse as director would not bring back thorn.
How would you do it?

[ABleedingCorpse]

I'd just have Michael go after John. Only logical sense. That is if the studio allowed me to break from Zombie's film and go back or reboot it from the old series. Josh Harret (?) is really doing anything these days.

[The Apatow Crew]

I've seen Greens hacket. I thought it was pretty boring. He doesn't seem like the type to touch this movie, and hes busy. I liked Lynch wrong turn 2 which is a surprise as I hated the first. So, I think he could do an improvement on a Halloween 3.You mean Hatchet? I was just on imdb looking at stuff and I seen he turned down directing the Black Christmas Remake.

But then again if you listen to the commentary you understand why.

Plus Lynch only has one small time B film under his belt. You'd prolly want someone with a little more experience.

[Motown Marvel]

if i made the next film, i'd follow laurie developing as the killer. it'd start in the psycho hospital where her mental development is eerily similar to young michael meyers in the first film. it'd come to a point where she actually states that she is michael meyers, and thats the last thing she says before she stops speaking anymore. eventually, she escapes and bloody mayhem ensues. i would possibly even consider playing up a subtle ambiguity of is this laurie just gone insane, or is the spirit of michael meyers actually in her? but that angle would be something that would require a very cautious approach.

[The Apatow Crew]

I'd just have Michael go after John. Only logical sense. That is if the studio allowed me to break from Zombie's film and go back or reboot it from the old series. Josh Harret (?) is really doing anything these days.But why go back 13 years? If anything that will just confuse the hell out of the general public.

And i'm sure Josh Hartnett is most likely ashamed to be in that movie. Prolly why he didn't wanna do a sequel.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I'll do it FOR FREE. I'll put my salery back into the budget. I won't even ask for a box office fee if the films successful.

[deathshead2]

You mean Hatchet? I was just on imdb looking at stuff and I seen he turned down directing the Black Christmas Remake.

But then again if you listen to the commentary you understand why.

Plus Lynch only has one small time B film under his belt. You'd prolly want someone with a little more experience. Lynch improved on a bad movie so much FOX wanted to put his version in theaters. The guy wanted to do a more modern take on The Last House on the Left then the version that came out. The man has ideas, and improves on crap. I say let him loose.

[deathshead2]

I'll do it FOR FREE. I'll put my salery back into the budget. I won't even ask for a box office fee if the films successful.Your a first time director you wouldn't even get one anyway.

Weinstens hire him you've got a win/win situation. No cost all profit.

[ABleedingCorpse]

But why go back 13 years? If anything that will just confuse the hell out of the general public.

And i'm sure Josh Hartnett is most likely ashamed to be in that movie. Prolly why he didn't wanna do a sequel.

As if doing a sequal in any form at this point won't confuse the general public? A Michael-less Halloween...again...for the 3rd sequal..again? Michael Myers is HALLOWEEN....without him....well....you know the outcome.

[TheWrathOfGod]

I'll do it FOR FREE. I'll put my salery back into the budget. I won't even ask for a box office fee if the films successful.

I live in Minnesota, Hartnett's home state. I would help you make it. All we need is a Sony HD camera, a Michael Myers Mask, and stalk Josh Hartnett.

[The Apatow Crew]

Lynch improved on a bad movie so much FOX wanted to put his version in theaters. The guy wanted to do a more modern take on The Last House on the Left then the version that came out. The man has ideas, and improves on crap. I say let him loose.I mean he's a funny guy from the his name is jason dvd and F13 part 4 commentary with Green. but funny isn't what were looking for in a horror movie.

But yeah, he's better then most they would or are gonna hire.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I live in Minnesota, Hartnett's home state. I would help you make it. All we need is a Sony HD camera, a Michael Myers Mask, and stalk Josh Hartnett.

Perfect. REAL EMOTION from his scared expressions. I'll shot it gorilla style, with a lot of far off shots of Michael stalking. It would be GROUNDBREAKING!

Seriously though, I only see a few ways of doing it. Going back to the original series and picking it up from there. That would possibly confuse people. Another way..a Michael-Less/ Laurie driven killer Halloween..would piss people off..or scratching the whole Michael/Laurie story and coming up with something completely different and new ah-la Season Of The Witch.

At any point from here on out...it's going to be a risk taker no matter what.

[The Apatow Crew]

As if doing a sequal in any form at this point won't confuse the general public? A Michael-less Halloween...again...for the 3rd sequal..again? Michael Myers is HALLOWEEN....without him....well....you know the outcome.I say that cause some think the last two films have something to do with the old ones and they don't. and going back and saying okay this film deals with the old ones, ignore the last two might be a little frustrating to the views and whats going on here.

[Motown Marvel]

f**k it....lets just get it done with and do halloween in space.

[ABleedingCorpse]

f**k it....lets just get it done with and do halloween in space.

Hey HEY..HEY YOU...NEVER...SAY THAT...AGAIN. I know we're all having fun here and saying some crazy stuff....BUT THAT IS UN-CALLED FOR.

[The Apatow Crew]

Seriously though, I only see a few ways of doing it. Going back to the original series and picking it up from there. That would possibly confuse people. Another way..a Michael-Less/ Laurie driven killer Halloween..would piss people off..or scratching the whole Michael/Laurie story and coming up with something completely different and new ah-la Season Of The Witch.

At any point from here on out...it's going to be a risk taker no matter what.What your saying is they're basically SCREWED!!

Just either let the films alone for awhile, then start over again, or sell the rights to someone who knows what to do. The PD guys might I suggest.

[ABleedingCorpse]

Yes. They are SCREWED. That's what I'm saying.

And you know as well as I do, they aren't going to sell the rights.

[Darkness Falls]

Joel Schumacher for Halloween 3d :oldrazz:

[The Apatow Crew]

Yes. They are SCREWED. That's what I'm saying.

And you know as well as I do, they aren't going to sell the rights.If it comes down to it and they really need the money and start to go bankrupt you sure as hell can prolly tell they will. Look what happen to New Line and they were a way bigger studio then Dimension. i miss New Line.:csad:

[Motown Marvel]

Hey HEY..HEY YOU...NEVER...SAY THAT...AGAIN. I know we're all having fun here and saying some crazy stuff....BUT THAT IS UN-CALLED FOR.

wouldnt it be an awesome challenge though? like, im convinced that if given proper effort, someone could come up with a completely serious, yet brilliant halloween in space movie. and everyone would balk at the mere idea.....but then the movie turns out to be awesome, and you'd make douchebags of everyone.

c'mon, that'd be a little fun.

[Nightmare]

What,so the prom is to good for him.

Halloween: Prom Night 3D

[deathshead2]

Have that crazy guy from the book signing somehow bring Michael back to life. Might as well add magic to the series.

Then have the movie take place years later have Laurie break out of the psy-ward and the movie becomes a M vs L movie. With her being a super sarah conner badass. Expect crazier. With the sheriff having to come out of retirement to stop both of them.

Thats all I've got.

[TheWrathOfGod]

If it comes down to it and they really need the money and start to go bankrupt you sure as hell can prolly tell they will. Look what happen to New Line and they were a way bigger studio then Dimension. i miss New Line.:csad:

It's a shame the house that Freddy built is no more.

If it weren't for Zombie attached to the Blob, I would have said that Rob purposefully made H2 a bad film. Maybe I'm just being optimistic, but perhaps Zombie decided to kill the new franchise out of some sort of guilt.

[ABleedingCorpse]

If it comes down to it and they really need the money and start to go bankrupt you sure as hell can prolly tell they will. Look what happen to New Line and they were a way bigger studio then Dimension. i miss New Line.:csad:

That..could happen..I can see it as a possiblity. BUT I say NO to PD getting the rights. I'm sorry...I do not like the choices in stye that they do to their remakes. They all seem half-asses and try too hard to impress. That's my opinion though, and I respect your feelings for PD..but I would not be happy at all if that happened. I do not want to see a JASON vs Freddy vs Michael film.

[The Apatow Crew]

You mean have Lynda's dad resurrect the very same person who killed his daughter.

Are you for real or messing around? Its too late to think this much. its past 2 am i need some sleep.



good night.

[ABleedingCorpse]

Have that crazy guy from the book signing somehow bring Michael back to life. Might as well add magic to the series.

Then have the movie take place years later have Laurie break out of the psy-ward and the movie becomes a M vs L movie. With her being a super sarah conner badass. Expect crazier. With the sheriff having to come out of retirement to stop both of them.

Thats all I've got.

That sounds interesting. A little much like H20/Resurection with Laurie's arc, but I like the Michael Fan guy part. Chett, The Bringer Of Death!!!

[deathshead2]

You mean have Lynda's dad resurrect the very same person who killed his daughter.

Are you for real or messing around? Its too late to think this much. its past 2 am i need some sleep.



good night.No the crazy guy who talked about how Michael made bundy a hack.

[The Apatow Crew]

That..could happen..I can see it as a possiblity. BUT I say NO to PD getting the rights. I'm sorry...I do not like the choices in stye that they do to their remakes. They all seem half-asses and try too hard to impress. That's my opinion though, and I respect your feelings for PD..but I would not be happy at all if that happened. I do not want to see a JASON vs Freddy vs Michael film.Who said anything about that? I mean what makes you think they make that?

And since if they owned the rights they could take it to any movie studio. not just WB/NL.

[ABleedingCorpse]

You mean have Lynda's dad resurrect the very same person who killed his daughter.

Are you for real or messing around? Its too late to think this much. its past 2 am i need some sleep.



good night.

NO, CHETT:THE BRINGER OF DEATH.....He would bring DEATH back to Haddonfield.....by resurecting Michael. He would do some **** like that. He seemed off his freaking rocker.

[deathshead2]

That sounds interesting. A little much like H20/Resurection with Laurie's arc, but I like the Michael Fan guy part. Chett, The Bringer Of Death!!!
Unlike those, shed be gunning for Michael not running away until the 3rd act.

[Nightmare]

hahaha, that retarded guy.

[The Apatow Crew]

No the crazy guy who talked about how Michael made bundy a hack.Oh, that guy. That seems like something that would happen in the 80's films. What have him do a Chucky spell?

Give me the power I beg of you!!!!!![/Chucky]

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm being you guys. Anyone who says anything other then "Great film" you find annoying.

Dont say "Oh but if you say it sucks blah balh" NO. If they hate the movie, they can hate the movie, and express their feelings how ever the hell they want to. Why cant you guys get this? I swear, nothing i'm saying is having any effect on you.

People. Have. Different. Opinions.

Either respect them, or ignore them. Express their feelings? Like "I hate this moive! Burn in hell Rob zombie! My ideas are better than yours! You suck! I could make a better film! AHHHHH!!! My life is over! He ruined Halloween!!!!"

Not saying that's you, but that's what it sometimes sounds liek when people complain about a movie. It's hard to respect an opinion that sounds like THAT. Also, nobody ever said H2 was great. We said it was good, but not great.

I do respect peoples opinions, but not when they have childish reasons for hating something.

[deathshead2]

Thats all we got.

You know what screw it. Lets just have Halloween be about Chett taking Michaels place. Hes crazy and would most likely don the mask. And its easier than bringing magic in.

[The Apatow Crew]

NO, CHETT:THE BRINGER OF DEATH.....He would bring DEATH back to Haddonfield.....by resurecting Michael. He would do some **** like that. He seemed off his freaking rocker.Yes basically have a walking zombie roaming through the town. No pun intended.

Just ignore his half of his face hacked off and the gaping hole in his chest.:woot:

[deathshead2]

Oh, that guy. That seems like something that would happen in the 80's films. What have him do a Chucky spell?

Give me the power I beg of you!!!!!![/Chucky]
Good referance to Brad playing the shreff.

[deathshead2]

Yes basically have a walking zombie roaming through the town. No pun intended.

Just ignore his half of his face hacked off and the gaping hole in his chest.:woot:
It worked for Jason.

[The Apatow Crew]

Thats all we got.

You know what screw it. Lets just have Halloween be about Chett taking Michaels place. Hes crazy and would most likely don the mask. And its easier than bringing magic in.You mean ala part F13 5?

I could see them doing something shady like that. or with someone else.

[ABleedingCorpse]

Thats all we got.

You know what screw it. Lets just have Halloween be about Chett taking Michaels place. Hes crazy and would most likely don the mask. And its easier than bringing magic in.

That would be an interesting angle to take. He's all about Michael. He's read the books..he thinks Michael is the GREATEST. His' character's already been introduced. He would be like "Michael didn't kill his sister..he's being tormented in hell right now because he didn't finish the job..I'm The Bringer Of Death...I must KILL Laurie for Michael" and you could throw in some cult stuff in there too.

[Spider-ManHero12]

GUys, who do you think should direct the next film and how do you want Michael to look in terms of the mask?

[Nightmare]

How about ala Nightmare 4? Where the dog pisses on its corpse and comes back to life.

[deathshead2]

You mean ala part F13 5?

I could see them doing something shady like that. or with someone else.And then have laurie break out and stab him in the face cus her dream momma wants her to.

[Nightmare]

GUys, who do you think should direct the next film and how do you want Michael to look in terms of the mask?

Brand new mask please.

[deathshead2]

GUys, who do you think should direct the next film and how do you want Michael to look in terms of the mask?Me, since I just came up with like 3 different versions.

[The Apatow Crew]

How about ala Nightmare 4? Where the dog pisses on its corpse and comes back to life.I was like really? what the hell is the dog doing there in the first place?

[Nightmare]

And then have laurie break out and stab him in the face cus her dream momma wants her to.

Thats a good idea, have the entire movie happen. Then at the very end, have Laurie wake up and it was all a dream. Brilliant!

[Spider-ManHero12]

Brand new mask please. Tbh, I'm not sure that that'll happen. I mean, how is Michael gonig to get a mask similar to the one he has/had (had meaning when he was a kid and the mask wasn't molded). Though, H4 did have him pick up a similar mask off the wall in the halloween store, so I guess it's possible.

[deathshead2]

I demand they hire me right now!

[ABleedingCorpse]

You know what, if I was a struggling studio, who wanted to do a cheap film, make some money fast, and have a 3D film to boot.....I'd spend a few million on a team of 3D engineers (and this has proven to work) and have them render the original HALLOWEEN into 3D form. It'll take a year to do all the work, but it will work with today's new technology. They're about to release NOTLD in 3D, and from what I've read, it's suppose to look amazing.

[ABleedingCorpse]

Tbh, I'm not sure that that'll happen. I mean, how is Michael gonig to get a mask similar to the one he has/had (had meaning when he was a kid and the mask wasn't molded). Though, H4 did have him pick up a similar mask off the wall in the halloween store, so I guess it's possible.

Well if you think about it, I'm sure some sick twisted person would sell MICHAEL MYERS mask for Halloween in Haddonfield. Chett, The Bringer of Death would make and sell them.

[ABleedingCorpse]

Oh, and if I directed the film.....I'd get Shawnee Smith to be in it.

[deathshead2]

I would think Chett would just take it off of Michael corpse and duct tape it back together.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, I have to say, the Chett idea isn't bad.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I would think Chett would just take it off of Michael corpse and duct tape it back together.

I think Sherrif Brackett would make sure to have that mask burned or be a twisted soul himself and keep it in a box under his bed (like Debra Hill did)

[Go Web Go!]

I saw this movie on the night it opened, but now's when I'm getting around to posting my thoughts. I didn't think the first film (2007) was terrible. I didn't think it was great, but it was better than I thought it'd be. This one, though? Awful.


1. Laurie was so ****ing annoying throughout the entirety of the film that I was hoping Michael would find a portal to the real world and come after me.
2. I understand Mama Myers & the horse thing, but the amount of screentime the lady got was unnecessary.
3. This is a problem I had with the first movie: how did Michael know where to go and when? It seems he just showed up to places at random with no explanation as to how he knew how to get there, etc. I guess this is where the visions of his mother come in, but ****.
4. The way he showed up to places in this movie just didn't make any sense. Ok, you're at the strip club because? He showed up to that party on Halloween night killed Laurie's friend and the guy who was taking a leak and then...he left? So he shows up out of nowhere because 2 people were about to get it on and slaughters them because what, it's a requirement in slasher flicks? Ugh. Laurie was there, you know? You could have just taken her and dozens of others right then and there, but I guess your white horse GPS system was malfunctioning.

There were just very few bright spots in this movie. I liked how RZ did not make Michael some otherwordly being and showed how connected he was to his mother, him being beaten and ultimately dying, but the movie as a whole was bad. Plain and simple.

This gets a 2/10 in my book.

[Nivek]

It doesn't matter it'll still get quoted. Plus I don't this there is much really to talk about. I mean besides from people just popping in to say it "sucked balls" And yes that is a actual quote from someone on here in the last few pages.

It's pretty stupid IMO that people actually discussing the film, in a positive manner, get called by other posters for "defending this garbage", but we try to defend ourselves, and some of us are getting warnings or infracted? What the hell? How is this fair, and is this a few forum policy allowing posters to Troll through whatever films we don't like now? I know you can say it's another posters opinion, but that only goes so far. There are at least 4 people earlier in this thread clearly trolling, and it's not anyone who has not already made a negative presence here already.

What a load of crap. Things like this really bring down my opinion of the Hype anymore...

[Majik1387]

Can someone summarize the last 13 pages for me? :csad:

[Darkness Falls]

Halloween 2 - Mixed reactions

Halloween 3d announced for a summer 2010 release

zombie will NOT return to direct pt 3

[Nivek]

Don't forget the aggressive unabated trolling from some.

[CelticPredator]

There was no trolling, only people sharing their opinion. Jesus mother ****ing christ....

[Doctor Jones]

I think the studio is acting a little stuid here. Just because it made 2 million over its budget in one weekend doesn't mean people want to see another one. It made almost half of what the first film did opening weekend and the coming weeks will be a stornger indicator.

[mclay18]

There are at least 4 people earlier in this thread clearly trolling, and it's not anyone who has not already made a negative presence here already.

Now, look here, there is a difference between being very vocal and downright trolling. I'm not putting any posters on the forum down, and I did point out the few things I appreciated about H2 (mind you, I loathe it). Maybe you should read some of the "troll" comments before you claim the naysayers are all "trolls" again...

If it comes down to it and they really need the money and start to go bankrupt you sure as hell can prolly tell they will. Look what happen to New Line and they were a way bigger studio then Dimension. i miss New Line.:csad:

New Line is still with us. We're only missing Shaye and Lynne, and the fact that WB doesn't use Mi Casa Multimedia for the DVD/Blu-ray audio mixing anymore. (Not to mention the dearth of the beloved "Platinum Series" DVDs.)

[CashforStash]

I thought this movie was pretty good, not as good as the first one though.

8/10

[Nivek]

Now, look here, there is a difference between being very vocal and downright trolling. I'm not putting any posters on the forum down, and I did point out the few things I appreciated about H2 (mind you, I loathe it). Maybe you should read some of the "troll" comments before you claim the naysayers are all "trolls" again...


A "Naysayer" is one thing, we have all had negative views of some projects (G.I. Joe, Twilight series, and Harry Potter myself), and even films we we're disappointed in after viewing (Punisher: War Zone was a recent one for myself). But common courtesy and respect is to say your peace and move on. But here we have some that have been saying the same things over and over for a while before release, hitting the same one-note song for months on end. There was no anticipation except to damn it. I'm all for opinions and discussion, but it's another thing just to take a squat on something on a weekly basis, or just to rib a couple people.

I'm about done in this thread anyway, just this one thread has shown me a double standard at the hype I personally won't forget.

[Marx]

I saw this movie on the night it opened, but now's when I'm getting around to posting my thoughts. I didn't think the first film (2007) was terrible. I didn't think it was great, but it was better than I thought it'd be. This one, though? Awful.


1. Laurie was so ****ing annoying throughout the entirety of the film that I was hoping Michael would find a portal to the real world and come after me.
2. I understand Mama Myers & the horse thing, but the amount of screentime the lady got was unnecessary.
3. This is a problem I had with the first movie: how did Michael know where to go and when? It seems he just showed up to places at random with no explanation as to how he knew how to get there, etc. I guess this is where the visions of his mother come in, but ****.
4. The way he showed up to places in this movie just didn't make any sense. Ok, you're at the strip club because? He showed up to that party on Halloween night killed Laurie's friend and the guy who was taking a leak and then...he left? So he shows up out of nowhere because 2 people were about to get it on and slaughters them because what, it's a requirement in slasher flicks? Ugh. Laurie was there, you know? You could have just taken her and dozens of others right then and there, but I guess your white horse GPS system was malfunctioning.

There were just very few bright spots in this movie. I liked how RZ did not make Michael some otherwordly being and showed how connected he was to his mother, him being beaten and ultimately dying, but the movie as a whole was bad. Plain and simple.

This gets a 2/10 in my book.

Well said, GWG.

[Fresh Prince]

Joel Schumacher for Halloween 3d :oldrazz:

Now that would be interesting.

[CelticPredator]

A "Naysayer" is one thing, we have all had negative views of some projects (G.I. Joe, Twilight series, and Harry Potter myself), and even films we we're disappointed in after viewing (Punisher: War Zone was a recent one for myself). But common courtesy and respect is to say your peace and move on. But here we have some that have been saying the same things over and over for a while before release, hitting the same one-note song for months on end. There was no anticipation except to damn it. I'm all for opinions and discussion, but it's another thing just to take a squat on something on a weekly basis, or just to rib a couple people.

I'm about done in this thread anyway, just this one thread has shown me a double standard at the hype I personally won't forget.

Ok. Then you come in, say you liked it, and then get the **** out. We dont need to hear your postive opinions all the time.

One post per thread then. Say what you want, then move on. Good or bad.

[Marx]

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Let's keep this civil and respectful.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Darkness Falls http://www.superherohype.com/drakon/skins/shhclassic/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=17410686#post17410686)
Joel Schumacher for Halloween 3d :oldrazz:
:csad:

[C. Lee]

A "Naysayer" is one thing, we have all had negative views of some projects (G.I. Joe, Twilight series, and Harry Potter myself), and even films we we're disappointed in after viewing (Punisher: War Zone was a recent one for myself). But common courtesy and respect is to say your peace and move on. But here we have some that have been saying the same things over and over for a while before release, hitting the same one-note song for months on end. There was no anticipation except to damn it. I'm all for opinions and discussion, but it's another thing just to take a squat on something on a weekly basis, or just to rib a couple people.

I'm about done in this thread anyway, just this one thread has shown me a double standard at the hype I personally won't forget.

Ok. Then you come in, say you liked it, and then get the **** out. We dont need to hear your postive opinions all the time.

One post per thread then. Say what you want, then move on. Good or bad.

How about this idea.....ignore each other, don't talk to each other, don't respond to each other.....and allow people to talk about the movie instead of talking about the people that talk about the movie?

[Nivek]

They are on ignore. Doesn't help when they are quoted and we still see them stirring the crap pot.

[Marx]

Joel Schumacher for Halloween 3d :oldrazz:

A Schumacher Halloween film would equate to softcore porn and everyone (guys and girls) running around shirtless.

[NotFadeAway]

Look.......

I think the original Halloween is the greatest slashler film of all time, it's an actual well made film in a genre that does not have many of those. I also think the original Halloween owns the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre in every which way, so bring it on TCM fanboys.

With that said, I loved Zombie's Halloween remake. In a age in which most horror remakes are at best bland formula following cookie cutter versions of there previous selvess, and at worst are remakes along the lines on Black Christmas and My Bloody Valentine, Rob Zombie's Halloween was something new while at the same time following the structure and story of the original, and it was an intense film with an imposing villian in Tyler's Mane Myers, some excellent kills, and nice cinematography, an underrated component in horror films. And Scout Taylor-Compton was agreat Laurie Strode. The only thing I really hated about Zombie's Halloween remake was Malcolm McDowell's Dr. Loomis, and that just had more to do with the way Loomis was written more so than McDowell.Zombie's Halloween remake and the Hills Have Eyes remake are two of the only remakes I have any respect for.

With that being said, and with the reminder that I like every one involved with the film, Zombie, Compton, McDowell, Danielle Harris, Brad Dourif, etc, Halloween 2 was a f-ing mess of a film, a fun mess, but a mess. The great cinematography was back, as was the intensity of Myers and some great kills, but Zombie really should have had someone help him with the script. He tried, but it failed, sadly. Still, I would rather have this than some platinum dunes-esque Halloween film.

I say sadly because I'm dreading this Halloween 3D more than a third Zombie Halloween. Oh yea, I can't wait for some studio controlled, flashy ligthted, formula driven drivel that has Myers killing people in 3D. Ugghhh, kill me now, pun intended.

The only person I want to see make another Halloween film is Bryan Bertino, the writer and director of The Strangers. And I still maintain that had Rob Zombie made two Friday the 13th films instead of Halloween, we would be sitting here singing his praises right now. I have always felt he was a better for fit for Jason. I mean, was the Friday remake bad, no, but it was boring and formula driven, what I expect from Platinum Dunes.

[Figs]

NotFadeAway, I'm not going to get into it with you since I love both the original Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre but I will say it's ignorant to compare them the way you did since they are two entirely different films. Texas Chainsaw Massacre shouldn't even be considered a slasher film.

[DACrowe]

Look.......

I think the original Halloween is the greatest slashler film of all time, it's an actual well made film in a genre that does not have many of those. I also think the original Halloween owns the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre in every which way, so bring it on TCM fanboys.

With that said, I loved Zombie's Halloween remake. In a age in which most horror remakes are at best bland formula following cookie cutter versions of there previous selvess, and at worst are remakes along the lines on Black Christmas and My Bloody Valentine, Rob Zombie's Halloween was something new while at the same time following the structure and story of the original, and it was an intense film with an imposing villian in Tyler's Mane Myers, some excellent kills, and nice cinematography, an underrated component in horror films. And Scout Taylor-Compton was agreat Laurie Strode. The only thing I really hated about Zombie's Halloween remake was Malcolm McDowell's Dr. Loomis, and that just had more to do with the way Loomis was written more so than McDowell.Zombie's Halloween remake and the Hills Have Eyes remake are two of the only remakes I have any respect for.

With that being said, and with the reminder that I like every one involved with the film, Zombie, Compton, McDowell, Danielle Harris, Brad Dourif, etc, Halloween 2 was a f-ing mess of a film, a fun mess, but a mess. The great cinematography was back, as was the intensity of Myers and some great kills, but Zombie really should have had someone help him with the script. He tried, but it failed, sadly. Still, I would rather have this than some platinum dunes-esque Halloween film.

I say sadly because I'm dreading this Halloween 3D more than a third Zombie Halloween. Oh yea, I can't wait for some studio controlled, flashy ligthted, formula driven drivel that has Myers killing people in 3D. Ugghhh, kill me now, pun intended.

The only person I want to see make another Halloween film is Bryan Bertino, the writer and director of The Strangers. And I still maintain that had Rob Zombie made two Friday the 13th films instead of Halloween, we would be sitting here singing his praises right now. I have always felt he was a better for fit for Jason. I mean, was the Friday remake bad, no, but it was boring and formula driven, what I expect from Platinum Dunes.


I'd agree with everything you say, except that MacDowell's Loomis was a strong departure that gave the first film its humanity and his relationship with Michael (as well as the level of intensity as opposed to frat boy gratification in the gore and nudity) made the first Zombie Halloween quite strong. Mind you, Zombie completely hurt his character making him a narcissistic parody of his former self for nearly the whole sequel only reverting to his original character in the last 10 minutes so he could retread an inferior version of his role in the ending of the first film (except he is now really dead, which given how Zombie ruined his character this movie had little effect on me, surprisingly).

I'd also say that the FT13 remake ****ing terrible. But I'd agree with the rest. I think it is time to put Michael Myers to bed. At least for a while.

[NotFadeAway]

NotFadeAway, I'm not going to get into it with you since I love both the original Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre but I will say it's ignorant to compare them the way you did since they are two entirely different films. Texas Chainsaw Massacre shouldn't even be considered a slasher film.

This is an arguement that a friend and I always get into, whats the better film, Halloween or the Texas Chainsaw Massacre? For me, it's obviously Halloween.

[DACrowe]

BTW I watched this via...odd means and it was too dark. I had two questions in my initial post, but it may have been lost in a long review, so I'll ask again:

1) Did Michael eat those rednecks' dog during the intercutting with the pizza scene? I couldn't tell, but it sounded gross.

and

2) SPOILERS

How did Michael exactly kill Annie. It was the only genuinely sad and affecting death in the movie and I saw the chase and her covered in blood dying in Laurie's arms as well as Brackett's great reaction. However, I couldn't make out what that sick bastard did to kill her. Any help I'd be thankful for.

Thanks.

[CashforStash]

BTW I watched this via...odd means and it was too dark. I had two questions in my initial post, but it may have been lost in a long review, so I'll ask again:

1) Did Michael eat those rednecks' dog during the intercutting with the pizza scene? I couldn't tell, but it sounded gross.

and

2) SPOILERS

How did Michael exactly kill Annie. It was the only genuinely sad and affecting death in the movie and I saw the chase and her covered in blood dying in Laurie's arms as well as Brackett's great reaction. However, I couldn't make out what that sick bastard did to kill her. Any help I'd be thankful for.

Thanks.

I believe he...


sliced her (like as in softly sliced her skin so it wouldent do alot of damage) then beat her up and tossed her everywhere (i.e. slaming her into shelves, kicking punching etc) then in the end stabbing her in the stomach area, therefor giving her a good 5 minutes of dying on the floor. Michael intended not to kill her right away so he could use her as bate for laurie.

[NotFadeAway]

I'd agree with everything you say, except that MacDowell's Loomis was a strong departure that gave the first film its humanity and his relationship with Michael (as well as the level of intensity as opposed to frat boy gratification in the gore and nudity) made the first Zombie Halloween quite strong. Mind you, Zombie completely hurt his character making him a narcissistic parody of his former self for nearly the whole sequel only reverting to his original character in the last 10 minutes so he could retread an inferior version of his role in the ending of the first film (except he is now really dead, which given how Zombie ruined his character this movie had little effect on me, surprisingly).

I'd also say that the FT13 remake ****ing terrible. But I'd agree with the rest. I think it is time to put Michael Myers to bed. At least for a while.

I will admit that I am very biased, I loved Donald Pleasence and his Dr. Loomis. I loved that somebody saw the evil that was within Michael Myers, someone that understood what the hell was really going on. The original Loomis really added to the creep factor in the original(and sequels), and through the original Loomis that aduience got the feeling that something beyond the ordinary "psycho escapes" was going on. I loved that about the original, that Loomis was acting like the damn anti-christ had escaped imprisonment, while everything and everyone else pointed toward a wack job had escaped an institution and yea, some innocent people are going to die but this guy can stopped. And then, with each passing scene that saw Laurie cause bodily harm to Myers, yet he kept coming, it was WTF, why won't he stay down, abut you felt a bit better after he got shot. And then, when there was no body in the yard at the end, it gave off the feeling that something very supernatural and evil was going on, and it was creepy as hell.

Anyway, in Zombie's remake it was nice seeing the earlier years of Myers and Loomis, with Loomis actually trying to help Myers instead of basically wanting him to be beheaded. And I could have even seen Pleasence's Loomis writing a book about Myers, but more so preaching about how evil Michael was and how he had found some vessel for satan or some crazy rant like that. That would have been a route I would have taken if I were remaking Halloween. And I agree with you that Halloween 2 took a crap all over the Loomis character from the remake, up until like you said, the last 10 minutes of the movie, in which he became his old self. Thats one of many reasons this film was a mess.

Like I said, I really feel Zombie needs someone to help him write his scripts.

I was being kind with the Friday remake. They followed the formula and amde a modern day version of the original Part 2 with the hockey mask included. It was just so damn boring and bland, the enitre subplot with Jared Padelcki and his sister made me want to toss my jumbo drink at the screen. It was typical platinum dunes. Formula driven, the kills were boring, the scene with Pamela Voorhees was horrid, cliche upon cliche upon cliche, the cinematography sucked, the woefully underrated score from the first four friday's was noexistent, there was no real tension, the underground fortress drove me up a wall. And most of all, Jason Voorhees is a supernatural character. Take that hint of the supernatural that surrounded Michael Myers in the original Halloween, and times that by ten for Jason. That element of the character wasn't there, atleast until the last scene, and that pissed me off. During the final chase scene, Jason should have been shot, stabbed, kicked, punched, hit with a sledgehammer, and then a car, and then got his big ass up and kept coming. Thats Jason Voorhees. I did like that they used the burlap sack, had I been making the movie, I would have kept Jason in the sack until the third act, Jason would have just got the hockey mask in time for the final chase scene. My Friday remake would have been a cross between The Final Chapter and Jason Lives, my two favorite Jason movies. With all do respect to the beloved Kane Hodder, Ted White and CJ Graham were the two very best Jason's, although Derek Mears flashed potential. In a proper Jason film, he could work. And I think CJ Graham would have made a great Michael Myers, by the way.

I do mean it when I say Rob Zombie would have been a much better fit with Friday the 13th. Think about it, we could have gotten grisly death scenes, Tyler Mane as Jason, Sheri Moon Zombie as Mrs. Voorhees, I'm sure Rob would have gotten roles for Scout Taylor-Compton and Danielle Harris, who I have always wanted to see in a Jason flick. Bill Mosley could have been the new and imrpoved crazy Ralph. Tits and ass out the ying yang, it would have been glorious.

[DACrowe]

I believe he...


sliced her (like as in softly sliced her skin so it wouldent do alot of damage) then beat her up and tossed her everywhere (i.e. slaming her into shelves, kicking punching etc) then in the end stabbing her in the stomach area, therefor giving her a good 5 minutes of dying on the floor. Michael intended not to kill her right away so he could use her as bate for laurie.

Thanks.

I know Carpenter's version is far better, but I really liked Annie and her father and her relationship with Laurie in these movies. She may be the first "best friend" in one of these movies that seemed to serve any dramatic purpose beyond dying. And it is mostly because she survived H1(2007) and had her own PTS of being a shut-in maternal type in this film, but it made her death very sad.

Michael be a son of a *****. Ah well.

And one more for those interested in interpretations:

Why did Laurie see Michael's visions and why did they hold her down. Mamma Myers obviously isn't haunting them as she hated what her son became and killed herself over it, so why is Michael's cheesy delusions haunting Laurie to the point where it cost Sam Loomis his life? I chalked it up to bad writing, but anyone else have a theory?

[DACrowe]

I will admit that I am very biased, I loved Donald Pleasence and his Dr. Loomis. I loved that somebody saw the evil that was within Michael Myers, someone that understood what the hell was really going on. The original Loomis really added to the creep factor in the original(and sequels), and through the original Loomis that aduience got the feeling that something beyond the ordinary "psycho escapes" was going on. I loved that about the original, that Loomis was acting like the damn anti-christ had escaped imprisonment, while everything and everyone else pointed toward a wack job had escaped an institution and yea, some innocent people are going to die but this guy can stopped. And then, with each passing scene that saw Laurie cause bodily harm to Myers, yet he kept coming, it was WTF, why won't he stay down, abut you felt a bit better after he got shot. And then, when there was no body in the yard at the end, it gave off the feeling that something very supernatural and evil was going on, and it was creepy as hell.

Anyway, in Zombie's remake it was nice seeing the earlier years of Myers and Loomis, with Loomis actually trying to help Myers instead of basically wanting him to be beheaded. And I could have even seen Pleasence's Loomis writing a book about Myers, but more so preaching about how evil Michael was and how he had found some vessel for satan or some crazy rant like that. That would have been a route I would have taken if I were remaking Halloween. And I agree with you that Halloween 2 took a crap all over the Loomis character from the remake, up until like you said, the last 10 minutes of the movie, in which he became his old self. Thats one of many reasons this film was a mess.

Like I said, I really feel Zombie needs someone to help him write his scripts.

I was being kind with the Friday remake. They followed the formula and amde a modern day version of the original Part 2 with the hockey mask included. It was just so damn boring and bland, the enitre subplot with Jared Padelcki and his sister made me want to toss my jumbo drink at the screen. It was typical platinum dunes. Formula driven, the kills were boring, the scene with Pamela Voorhees was horrid, cliche upon cliche upon cliche, the cinematography sucked, the woefully underrated score from the first four friday's was noexistent, there was no real tension, the underground fortress drove me up a wall. And most of all, Jason Voorhees is a supernatural character. Take that hint of the supernatural that surrounded Michael Myers in the original Halloween, and times that by ten for Jason. That element of the character wasn't there, atleast until the last scene, and that pissed me off. During the final chase scene, Jason should have been shot, stabbed, kicked, punched, hit with a sledgehammer, and then a car, and then got his big ass up and kept coming. Thats Jason Voorhees. I did like that they used the burlap sack, had I been making the movie, I would have kept Jason in the sack until the third act, Jason would have just got the hockey mask in time for the final chase scene. My Friday remake would have been a cross between The Final Chapter and Jason Lives, my two favorite Jason movies. With all do respect to the beloved Kane Hodder, Ted White and CJ Graham were the two very best Jason's, although Derek Mears flashed potential. In a proper Jason film, he could work. And I think CJ Graham would have made a great Michael Myers, by the way.

I do mean it when I say Rob Zombie would have been a much better fit with Friday the 13th. Think about it, we could have gotten grisly death scenes, Tyler Mane as Jason, Sheri Moon Zombie as Mrs. Voorhees, I'm sure Rob would have gotten roles for Scout Taylor-Compton and Danielle Harris, who I have always wanted to see in a Jason flick. Bill Mosley could have been the new and imrpoved crazy Ralph. Tits and ass out the ying yang, it would have been glorious.

I do agree that he took a **** on Loomis in H2, which made his sacrifice at the end (a repeat of what he did much better in the 2007 film) hallow, because he wasn't the caring, guilty, obsessed psychologist of the first film. He was a media whore who felt bad for writing a bad book in the sequel. Ugh. He could have written another book, but he should have been there by Halloween night when he heard what happened and doing his own investigation after being barred by Brackett and then that confrontation at the end after Brackett knows Annie is dead and Laurie is probably about to follow suit wouldn't feel rushed in and his sacrifice (as he could have known the sheriff's daughter was dead and he could feel truly guilty). I like Pleasence's Loomis more, but it had been done to death and it was nice to see a non-Van Helsing Loomis. In fact, Loomis viewing Michael Myers as his best friend, kind of like a rabid dog he reluctantly knows he has to put down, was a great addition and gave some strength to a character who was great in Halloween I and II but had become a parody by Halloween 4. I did actually like MacDowell's Loomis a lot, before he became a parody of himself in Halloween II's remake.

As for FT13, I never liked the series. I suppose Zombie would have been a better fit for it. But it would have mostly disappointed me as the mythology has always been a crappy rip off of Carpenter's film except just about T&A with gratuitous violence. Plus, I don't want to see Harris in a horror franchise that isn't Halloween. But she may need the work now.

[The Apatow Crew]

They are on ignore. Doesn't help when they are quoted and we still see them stirring the crap pot.I have so many people on ignore I'm starting to lose track.:hehe::o

[Figs]

This is an arguement that a friend and I always get into, whats the better film, Halloween or the Texas Chainsaw Massacre? For me, it's obviously Halloween.

I never was arguing what the better film is, if you go back and reread my reply you would realize that I was stating that the two films shouldn't be compared since Texas Chainsaw Massacre isn't a slasher film. A better argument/discussion would be, 'What's the better film, Halloween, NoES or F13th?'

[Bubonic]

Could someone please give me a bullet form of what was so awful about this movie?

[DACrowe]

Why Halloween II (2009) needlessly sucked:

-Terrible writing.

-Contrived dialogue between most characters (such as Loomis and his press agent, Laurie and her new BFFs, etc.)

-Michael is driven by visions of his mamma on a white horse who tells him to kill his little sister and he talks back to her as a little boy in his head.

-Laurie also gets Michael's visions for no explainable reason and as the movie goes on the visions actually start controlling Laurie against her will. Again it is never explained.

-At least a half dozen rednecks who talk in nothing but expletives and crude sexual humor appear in little vignettes only to get almost immediately and unsurpisingly killed and stomped on in a gruesome, dull manner.

-Loomis no longer cares about anyone but himself as he pimps a new book and his arc is to realize he is washed up and feel regret.

-The only likable characters are hurt and one is killed off (maybe good for dramatic reasons though).

-Bad rushed editing. Michael would be on one side of town pointlessly killing someone to hit a formula beat and then be on the other side of town killing someone else, literally in the next scene.

-A very contrived ending.

-Verged on torture porn in some scenes.

Good points:

-Brad Douriff's performance. Danielle Harris as well.

-The dysfunctional family dynamic presented in the Brackett household following the PTS of the first film. Laurie is now Brackett's second (and equally damaged) daughter.

-Lynda (blonde from first and original)'s dad confronting Loomis at a book signing.

-How Laurie found out she was Michael's sister.

That's about it, though.

[Bubonic]

Oh wow... I... Umm... Thank you... Some of this needs to register....

[Spider-ManHero12]

I have so many people on ignore I'm starting to lose track.:hehe::o Lol. :woot:

[Nightmare]

DAcrow, what about Weird Al? What did you think about that scene. :hehe:

[Doctor Jones]

The book signing scene sounds the most interesting. Care to share more anyone?

[Nightmare]

He walked up to Loomis' booth. Loomis opened the book found a picture of Lynda, then her dad yelled at Loomis claiming he was responsible for his daughters death. They started to excort him out, Loomis said it was ok. Then the dad pulled out a gun, before getting tackles by the secruity.

[DACrowe]

Yeah. At first Loomis does not recognize Lynda's picture. After learning, Loomis tries to apologize and does look genuinely horrified, but the father won't hear it and does pull a gun on Loomis after being escorted out, because he calls Michael, Loomis's monster. A hint of the best aspect of the last film in this scene.

I forgot, there was a nice little scene between Laurie and a shrink at the start of the film that Sheriff Brackett is making her see. She talks about missing her parents and it falls into that dysfunctional family dynamic that I thought had potential.

But these scenes I liked are literally a moments, maybe 30 minutes of a 90 minute movie.

[DACrowe]

double?

[Marx]

BTW I watched this via...odd means and it was too dark. I had two questions in my initial post, but it may have been lost in a long review, so I'll ask again:

1) Did Michael eat those rednecks' dog during the intercutting with the pizza scene? I couldn't tell, but it sounded gross.

Yeah. In another example of pointless gore, Michael cut the redneck's dog from neck to groin wide open. He then ate it raw while everything was gushing with blood. His fingers were coated in blood...it was pretty disgusting. And pointless.

[Fresh Prince]

NotFadeAway, I'm not going to get into it with you since I love both the original Halloween and Texas Chainsaw Massacre but I will say it's ignorant to compare them the way you did since they are two entirely different films. Texas Chainsaw Massacre shouldn't even be considered a slasher film.

What would you consider TCM under then?

[Doctor Jones]

Thanks guys. That sounds interesting.

And i think I just learned i saw a different ending to the remake. I guess it ended somewhat like the original but Laurie stabbed him and he crushed Loomis's skull?

The one that I saw was much better.

[Nivek]

Yeah. In another example of pointless gore, .

:facepalm

It's a ****ing SLASHER Flick, people... :whatever:

[Marx]

:facepalm

It's a ****ing SLASHER Flick, people... :whatever:

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have some kind of substance. (An actual plot, and not just shock gore put in to replace a plot really helps.) That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me. :cwink:

[Nightmare]

I forgot, there was a nice little scene between Laurie and a shrink at the start of the film that Sheriff Brackett is making her see. She talks about missing her parents and it falls into that dysfunctional family dynamic that I thought had potential.



Heh, its funny Cause when i saw that scene. The shrink looked soo familiar. I just couldnt place it. I went home after and looked up on IMDB. It was Lois Lane from the superman movies.

[Nivek]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have substance. That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me. :cwink:


Sorry, but it sounds like you want a film called a Thriller, not the horror sub-genre classified as a Slasher Film. In this genre, entrails, blood gysers, and Dog eating can be perfectly acceptable.

[The Apatow Crew]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have substance. (An actual plot, and not just shock gore put in to replace a plot.) That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me. :cwink:I thought it was there to match Laurie eating the pizza? And to show there was some sort of bond between the two, to let her know he's not dead. but maybe I'm thinking too much into it.

[Marx]

I thought it was there to match Laurie eating the pizza? And to show there was some sort of bond between the two, to let her know he's not dead. but maybe I'm thinking too much into it.

I don't know man...I just don't know.

[Marx]

Sorry, but it sounds like you want a film called a Thriller, not the horror sub-genre classified as a Slasher Film. In this genre, entrails, blood gysers, and Dog eating can be perfectly acceptable.

Contrary to this belief among some that curse words and pointless gore make a good horror movie, horror movies can still have a good story and not have to use these things as a crutch. Zombie uses those things as a crutch...

[Fresh Prince]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have some kind of substance. (An actual plot, and not just shock gore put in to replace a plot really helps.) That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me. :cwink:

I thought I was the only one to want to have a horror movie have a plot and story. You know the movie 7even should be an influence for a horror movie.

[Figs]

What would you consider TCM under then?

A horror movie...and no I'm not joking or being a smartass.

I can understand when people finally see the original TCM and find it overrated after hearing about it for years, that happens with a lot of films. What pains me though, is when I hear people say how much better the remake was when it took something original and made it into more of a slasher film. I will say that the remake can be considered a bit more of a slasher film, especially with how at the end it involved Leatherface chasing the girl and her trying to hide from him and whatnot.

What Tobe Hooper did with the original was great. He used sound effects and imagery to scare people and make them feel uneasy instead of using one jump out scene after another like slasher films. Not to mention most of the kids in that film were taken out fairly quick instead of having each one die awhile after the last to drag out the film. Instead of that, he kills off most of them fairly quick once they find the house and leaves you at the end of the film with the main girl strapped to the chair at the dinner table. Those closeup shots of her eye darting around frantically and her mouth, screaming and cutting back to the family mocking her cries and screams was supposed to be a descent into madness and insanity. All of that plus the fact that the style Hooper used was like a documentary to make it feel real.

That to me is why that film is more than just a slasher flick. I think the popularity of Leatherface being a horror icon up there with Freddy, Jason, Myers and Chucky as well as the sequels that went into the more typical horror cliche slasher style that have given people the impression that the original should also be considered a slasher film too.

Sorry for the rant and seemingly hijacking the Halloween thread. :)

[StylishHokie21]

I prefer my SLASHER flicks to have some kind of substance. (An actual plot, and not just shock gore put in to replace a plot really helps.) That scene contributed absolutely nothing to the movie and was only there for shock value...but keep rolling your eyes at me. :cwink:

Agreed. That's what I liked about the original Halloween. It was never about the gore and nudity. That's why I hated the remake.

[Fresh Prince]

A horror movie...and no I'm not joking or being a smartass.

I can understand when people finally see the original TCM and find it overrated after hearing about it for years, that happens with a lot of films. What pains me though, is when I hear people say how much better the remake was when it took something original and made it into more of a slasher film. I will say that the remake can be considered a bit more of a slasher film, especially with how at the end it involved Leatherface chasing the girl and her trying to hide from him and whatnot.

What Tobe Hooper did with the original was great. He used sound effects and imagery to scare people and make them feel uneasy instead of using one jump out scene after another like slasher films. Not to mention most of the kids in that film were taken out fairly quick instead of having each one die awhile after the last to drag out the film. Instead of that, he kills off most of them fairly quick once they find the house and leaves you at the end of the film with the main girl strapped to the chair at the dinner table. Those closeup shots of her eye darting around frantically and her mouth, screaming and cutting back to the family mocking her cries and screams was supposed to be a descent into madness and insanity. All of that plus the fact that the style Hooper used was like a documentary to make it feel real.

That to me is why that film is more than just a slasher flick. I think the popularity of Leatherface being a horror icon up there with Freddy, Jason, Myers and Chucky as well as the sequels that went into the more typical horror cliche slasher style that have given people the impression that the original should also be considered a slasher film too.

Sorry for the rant and seemingly hijacking the Halloween thread. :)

I feel how Tobe Hooper done the original TCM, thats how horror films should be done like.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I thought it was there to match Laurie eating the pizza? And to show there was some sort of bond between the two, to let her know he's not dead. but maybe I'm thinking too much into it. I'm thinking the same.

[Figs]

I feel how Tobe Hooper done the original TCM, thats how horror films should be done like.

Horror films like that are the ones that stand out and also stand the test of time in my eyes.

Like the original Evil Dead(still love part II as well as AoD), Raimi also used similar methods to show Ash losing his sanity after his friends, sister and girlfriend have all died. He turned the camera at an odd angle to cause discomfort, had those closeups of objects like the clock pendelum as it crashed loudly back and forth and then would show it in his character's(Ash)eyes and fast head turns as he thought he was hearing things. Those films as well as John Carpenter's The Thing and how great he used the element of distrust and paranoia to get people on the edge of their seats. Horror films were they have more to them than just kill scene after kill scene.

[DACrowe]

Yeah...but John Carpenter's Halloween is still better. :)

And for the record TCM did feature a main protagonist girl running and being chased by a maniac with a chanisaw. It actually has probably the most terrifying portrayal of this after the original Halloween, but it is the first one to do it. It goes on for about 5 minutes with him chasing her around the woods, roads and fields shot in a flat close lens giving the image that he is literally right on top of her at every moment and then she hides in a gas station run by...an accomplice. Classic slasher cliché that started here. Yeah you never actually saw the chainsaw penetrate or the meat hook go in, but you had the implications. Similarly I recall very little blood in the original Halloween even though we see Michael stab 3 people to death and get a slash at Laurie.

If the original Halloween is a slasher, albeit a masterpiece, then so too can TCM. In any event, I prefer the original Halloween film.

[The Apatow Crew]

Yeah...but John Carpenter's Halloween is still better. :)How many more times are people gonna say that?

Or do you feel the need to continue to keep beating a dead horse and then maybe do something else to it as well? Cause you sure seem to love that horse.:cwink:

[Fresh Prince]

Horror films like that are the ones that stand out and also stand the test of time in my eyes.

Like the original Evil Dead(still love part II as well as AoD), Raimi also used similar methods to show Ash losing his sanity after his friends, sister and girlfriend have all died. He turned the camera at an odd angle to cause discomfort, had those closeups of objects like the clock pendelum as it crashed loudly back and forth and then would show it in his character's(Ash)eyes and fast head turns as he thought he was hearing things. Those films as well as John Carpenter's The Thing and how great he used the element of distrust and paranoia to get people on the edge of their seats. Horror films were they have more to them than just kill scene after kill scene.

Agreed. I wish directors these days would realize that, and have that stuff in horror movies.

Thats how the reboot Halloween movies, if they do a reboot, should be done in a way of old school classic horror.

[DACrowe]

How many more times are people gonna say that?

Or do you feel the need to continue to keep beating a dead horse and then maybe do something else to it as well? Cause you sure seem to love that horse.:cwink:

I was talking about Halloween v. TCM not the Zombie films vs. Carpenter. I actually like the 2007 film and have talked about it several times in this thread in a favorable light. Sorry for the confusion.

[The Apatow Crew]

Well, with all the talks of various other films in here it's confusing as hell to even know whats going on anymore.:o

[CashforStash]

I think that JC HalloweeN is a Thriller/Horror film

Not a slasher.

[Fresh Prince]

I think that JC HalloweeN is a Thriller/Horror film

Not a slasher.

Agreed.

[COAL TIGER]

BIG SPOILER AHEAD!

Damn. Why did Zombie have to kill off Dr. Loomis? Is there gonna be any sequels. If there is they wont be able to have Loomis anymore unless he appears to Michael as a good conscious or something. In the ads the man doing the voice over said this was Zombies final chapter of Halloween. But Zombie said that about the first one. Soooo......

[Majik1387]

A Schumacher Halloween film would equate to softcore porn and everyone (guys and girls) running around shirtless.
I approve.:up:
The only person I want to see make another Halloween film is Bryan Bertino, the writer and director of The Strangers. And I still maintain that had Rob Zombie made two Friday the 13th films instead of Halloween, we would be sitting here singing his praises right now. I have always felt he was a better for fit for Jason. I mean, was the Friday remake bad, no, but it was boring and formula driven, what I expect from Platinum Dunes.
Really? I honestly didn't care much for that movie. It was watchable and all, but the story was kind of stupid to me.
Thanks.

I know Carpenter's version is far better, but I really liked Annie and her father and her relationship with Laurie in these movies. She may be the first "best friend" in one of these movies that seemed to serve any dramatic purpose beyond dying. And it is mostly because she survived H1(2007) and had her own PTS of being a shut-in maternal type in this film, but it made her death very sad.

Michael be a son of a *****. Ah well.

And one more for those interested in interpretations:

Why did Laurie see Michael's visions and why did they hold her down. Mamma Myers obviously isn't haunting them as she hated what her son became and killed herself over it, so why is Michael's cheesy delusions haunting Laurie to the point where it cost Sam Loomis his life? I chalked it up to bad writing, but anyone else have a theory?
Totally agree with the top spoiler.:up:
For the bottom spoiler
In the end of the original Halloween 4 and throughout Halloween 5, Michael shared a psychic link with his niece Jamie, and I'm pretty sure the same thing happening here as to why the delusions are able to hold Laurie down. As for Loomis, this is what he was trying to cure Michael of when he was in the asylum, but he failed, and this was his last chance to save Laurie from becoming like Michael, but he failed the same way he did with Michael and he was killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Yeah. In another example of pointless gore, Michael cut the redneck's dog from neck to groin wide open. He then ate it raw while everything was gushing with blood. His fingers were coated in blood...it was pretty disgusting. And pointless.
Man's gotta eat.:o
I thought I was the only one to want to have a horror movie have a plot and story. You know the movie 7even should be an influence for a horror movie.
No thanks at all.
Agreed. That's what I liked about the original Halloween. It was never about the gore and nudity. That's why I hated the remake.
I'll give you gore but nudity? :huh:
Lynda was pretty nude in the original and her scenes is one of the most popular scenes because of it...

[Majik1387]

BIG SPOILER AHEAD!

Damn. Why did Zombie have to kill off Dr. Loomis? Is there gonna be any sequels. If there is they wont be able to have Loomis anymore unless he appears to Michael as a good conscious or something. In the ads the man doing the voice over said this was Zombies final chapter of Halloween. But Zombie said that about the first one. Soooo......
Well, it can be considered Zombie's last chapter, but if the studio wants another one, he'll either settle for another paycheck, or they'll get a different director for a new chapter.

[Marx]

...but did we need to see Michael carve up and eat the dog? No.

[The Apatow Crew]

Well, it can be considered Zombie's last chapter, but if the studio wants another one, he'll either settle for another paycheck, or they'll get a different director for a new chapter.i think its the other option. they said their looking for a new director with a different take or new story something like that.


...but did we need to see Michael carve up and eat the dog? No.To show people what he was eating, cause sometimes alot of people need stuff spelled out and that way they wouldn't be like what was he eating?

[Majik1387]

...but did we need to see Michael carve up and eat the dog? No.
Did we need to see Laurie eating veggie pizza? No.

It was another scene showing how connected they are, hence her vomiting because of the raw dog flesh.

[Marx]

To show people what he was eating, cause sometimes alot of people need stuff spelled out and that way they wouldn't be like what was he eating?

Other Halloween movies has just shown half eaten animals...

[Marx]

Did we need to see Laurie eating veggie pizza? No.

It was another scene showing how connected they are, hence her vomiting because of the raw dog flesh.

There is still no reasonable explanation for Laurie and Michael's other-worldy connection.

[Majik1387]

Other Halloween movies has just shown half eaten animals...
REMAKE!:o


:oldrazz:
There is still no reasonable explanation for Laurie and Michael's other-worldy connection.
:huh:

Psychic link, same thing from H4-H5 between Michael and Jamie.

[The Apatow Crew]

There is still no reasonable explanation for Laurie and Michael's other-worldy connection.Well, you said before sometimes things are just best left alone unexplained.:yay:

[Marx]

REMAKE!:o


:oldrazz:

:huh:

Psychic link, same thing from H4-H5 between Michael and Jamie.

Well, you said before sometimes things are just best left alone unexplained.:yay:

You know what I am going to say...I feel like a broken record.

Rob Zombie made it a point to ground these movies in reality. 'No supernaturals'. A psychic connection between Michael and Laurie is not possible in a real-world scenario.

[The Apatow Crew]

Maybe he broke his one rule, not most others do.:o

[Marx]

Maybe he broke his one rule, not most others do.:o

I'm sorry man...all I hear is the Joker. :oldrazz:

[Majik1387]

You know what I am going to say...I feel like a broken record.

Rob Zombie made it a point to ground these movies in reality. 'No supernaturals'. A psyhic connection between Michael and Laurie is not possible in a real-world scenario.
Honestly, I never really felt RZH was grounded in reality, so that's probably why the broken record is silent to me.:cwink:

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Yes, but I guess Rob just wanted to express it more.

[Darkness Falls]

H2 isnt out here in australia yet

but did i read right that michael Myers eats a dog ?

[SsM]

Yes. It was horrible, all "trolling" aside, I can't forgive that scene.

[DACrowe]

I approve.:up:

Really? I honestly didn't care much for that movie. It was watchable and all, but the story was kind of stupid to me.

Totally agree with the top spoiler.:up:
For the bottom spoiler
In the end of the original Halloween 4 and throughout Halloween 5, Michael shared a psychic link with his niece Jamie, and I'm pretty sure the same thing happening here as to why the delusions are able to hold Laurie down. As for Loomis, this is what he was trying to cure Michael of when he was in the asylum, but he failed, and this was his last chance to save Laurie from becoming like Michael, but he failed the same way he did with Michael and he was killed for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Glad to see you agree on the top. As for the latter, just because the precedent occurred in two not-very-good installments in the past, does not mean it should be brought back or is good writing in this film.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, tbh, Michael has eaten dogs in other films, SsM. It's jsut that in other films, it was off camera.

[Heretic]

There is still no reasonable explanation for Laurie and Michael's other-worldy connection.

It's the exact same reason Michael had an otherwordly link with Jamie in the previous series...if it wasnt worth complaining about then, then there's no reason to get riled up over Zombie following the mythology of the series.

[Fresh Prince]

REMAKE!:o


:oldrazz:

:huh:

Psychic link, same thing from H4-H5 between Michael and Jamie.

Don't worry i'm sure we will get a remake in few years.

I always thought the psychic link was cool. Like in H5 when Micheal killed people, Jamie would act out how he did it.

[Fresh Prince]

Well, tbh, Michael has eaten dogs in other films, SsM. It's jsut that in other films, it was off camera.

What other Halloween movies he eaten dogs?

I know Jason had to eat a dog. Remember in Friday the 13th Part 2, that dog ran up to Jason. He had to eat it or kill it. I say he ate it.

[SsM]

Well, tbh, Michael has eaten dogs in other films, SsM. It's jsut that in other films, it was off camera.


Off camera is one thing...

[Spider-ManHero12]

What other Halloween movies he eaten dogs?

I know Jason had to eat a dog. Remember in Friday the 13th Part 2, that dog ran up to Jason. He had to eat it or kill it. I say he ate it. He never killed that dog. It came back at the end of part 2.

[Fresh Prince]

He never killed that dog. It came back at the end of part 2.

Oh yeah I forgot, right when Jason was about to jump through the window at the women.

[Majik1387]

Glad to see you agree on the top. As for the latter, just because the precedent occurred in two not-very-good installments in the past, does not mean it should be brought back or is good writing in this film.
Honestly, I thought it was some of the better writing honestly, other than the Bracketts.
It's the exact same reason Michael had an otherwordly link with Jamie in the previous series...if it wasnt worth complaining about then, then there's no reason to get riled up over Zombie following the mythology of the series.
Well they sort of explained it, but not indepth about it, but I don't mind a bit of mystery with my horror movies.
Don't worry i'm sure we will get a remake in few years.
I hope not.
I always thought the psychic link was cool. Like in H5 when Micheal killed people, Jamie would act out how he did it.
I thought it was an interesting take on a slasher film by involving psychic abilities and making it work, unlike the Friday the 13th movie where the girl had telekinesis.

[Fresh Prince]

Honestly, I thought it was some of the better writing honestly, other than the Bracketts.

Well they sort of explained it, but not indepth about it, but I don't mind a bit of mystery with my horror movies.

I hope not.

I thought it was an interesting take on a slasher film by involving psychic abilities and making it work, unlike the Friday the 13th movie where the girl had telekinesis.

I actually liked that they had someone who had powers able to stand up against Jason and his powers.

[Majik1387]

Jason never had powers though, other than constant resurrection.

[CelticPredator]

Jason had super strangth, and **** from 6 until FVJ.

[CelticPredator]

Jason had super strangth, and **** from 6 until FVJ.

[Majik1387]

He was always strong in the movies. :huh:

But anyway, that's for the F13 thread.

[CelticPredator]

Whats the difference between a Friday flick, and this thing? They're both so similer.

[Darkness Falls]

well friday is a knock off of halloween so yea they would be

[CelticPredator]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along.

[The Apatow Crew]

well friday is a knock off of halloween so yea they would beAnd I'm sure you could say Halloween is a rip off of something else. Whats your point?

[Darkness Falls]

And I'm sure you could say Halloween is a rip off of something else. Whats your point?

ffs it was a response to some one on the previous page

they were talking about how similar the two are

no need to get defensive :o

[DACrowe]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along.

Eh. Hate Zombie's Halloweens or not, they really don't look anything like any recent FT13 movie or any old ones. The FT13 movies, even the remake, are always extremely bad films with poor plots about a silent masked killer who stalks in a level pace his victims (notably a female protagonist) through the woods on special "scary days" of the year. Yeah, the premise of FT13 is a huge rip off of Halloween, but even the worst Halloween movies (okay not Resurrection) are usually made with a little more creativity or originality than the Ft13 movies. Look at the remakes. Whether he failed or not (I think he partially succeeded in 2007's but failed in H2), Zombie tried to reinfuse the character with artistic integrity. The FT13 remake is most remembered for showing "teen" girls' breasts. I'd still take RZ's Halloween films over FT13 any day of the week.

[Fresh Prince]

Jason never had powers though, other than constant resurrection.

He had super strength and teleportation. Thats super powers, Jason was on his Superman stuff then.

[Majik1387]

Again, he always had that strength, and as for "teleportation", all slashers had that, the only time it looked annoying to me was in the F13 Manhattan.

[Fresh Prince]

Micheal Myers had teleportation? I did not know that.

Jason was strong but not Superman strong. I mean the guy popped some dudes eyes out.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along. This is Rob's vision of Michael Myers. His own Michael Myers.

[Fresh Prince]

This is Rob's vision of Michael Myers. His own Michael Myers.

And I respect that and love your avatar.

[The Apatow Crew]

ffs it was a response to some one on the previous page

they were talking about how similar the two are

no need to get defensive :oI'm not getting defensive. I'm just saying everything borrows from everything.

there really is no exact person who came up with the idea and the rest "stole or copied" it.

[bullets]

I actually think vice versa. Halloween never looked like a Friday film until RZ came along.


This is actually not true . Once Friday the 13th came along there was a competition in both franchise that involved upping the kills .

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ True, but still, the Halloween films were never as violent.

[Majik1387]

Because it has a better story.

[Fresh Prince]

^^ True, but still, the Halloween films were never as violent.

Until now.

[bullets]

They were close though . I'd say Zombie has gone beyond Friday the 13th and Halloween in that sense because his films seem more real I guess.

[Doctor Jones]

Halloween is classic because of it's more focus on suspense and the build up rather than blood and gore. And there is almost none in the original, and used sparingly. And it works.

[Fresh Prince]

I hope the reboot, if they do one in the future, focus on the suspense more then blood and gore.

[The Dark Defender]

I saw it tonight, I'll put my entire review in spoiler tags because there are quite a few mixed in. In short, I thought it was a little better than the remake, but still an awful film, probably the second worst film I've seen in theatres this year behind Transformers 2.

I guess I may lean toward this being somewhat better than RZH, but it's still quite bad.

I liked Brackett and Annie, I felt for both Laurie and Brackett when they found their friend/daughter dead, I liked how visceral the kills were although they get a bit too over the top at times (ie. Michael crushing a man's face to a pile of mush with a few stomps), and Laurie's psychological descent was a good concept, but it's rather poorly executed, as even Rob's good ideas in his Halloween films ended up being; and there isn't really a big difference between a good idea executed badly and a bad idea.

This is a ridiculously uneven film. Rob's "vision" is all over the place, and quite often makes little to no narrative sense.

Loomis was HORRIBLE. I didn't like Rob's depiction of him in the first film, but Loomis in this isn't even Loomis, and after an entire film of watching him come off of a laughable parody of the typical media whore, Rob decides to have him show up and try to "reason" with Michael for no other reason that Rob seemed to suddenly realize "oh yeah, this is Sam Loomis...one of the greatest characters ever in the genre...he's supposed to be more than just a 1D heartless prick...so I'll throw this in here."

Laurie's trauma is apparently so strong that repeatedly sparks visions of young Michael and Deborah Myers...two people that she hasn't seen since she was an infant yet are now suddenly just as present in her psyche as they are in that of adult Michael...that doesn't even make sense by the standards of a psychopath...if someone losing their mind is going to be haunted by visions of figures that had an impact in their lives, it would be much more fitting if those figures had actually been in their lives. I liked the white horse metaphor, but atleast as it pertains to Laurie, this idea was executed in an almost unintentionally funny way.

The out of place trashyness carried over from previous films, and it was just as aggrevating having to suffer through it here as it was in RZH. I don't see Michael randomly burst into a strip club just for the hell of it and slaughter a dancer, a jackass bouncer and a sleazy club owner after listening to them ramble on with the typical vulgar redneck tripe I've come accustomed to from Zombie...and I don't need to listen to rants from paramedics about how horny they get at the thought of having sex with corpses...and I don't need to hear a young girl talk about how she'd like a "golden shower" when a guy says he needs to take a piss when I'm at a Halloween film.

Between an almost impossibly hackneyed depiction of Loomis, the typical Zombie trashyness at the party and what I previously mentioned, and the rather inane study of Laurie's psyche, the film is just all over the place, and some parts feel like they're part of a totally different movie than others.

Michael apparently decided to leave the party where Laurie, his primary target was, so that he could go to the Loomis house and kill Annie who wasn't really his objective in the first place, going by the assumption that he didn't know Laurie was at the party and he went to find at where she was living, a.) what the hell was he doing at the party in the first place other than just randomly killing people that have nothing to do with his objective, and b.) how the hell did he know she was living there in the first place?
It's as though Rob didn't know if he wanted his version of Michael to be a psycho on a mission, or just some big brute that wanders around and murders at random...the final result is a hackneyed combination of the two.

I just hope to God this is Rob's final Halloween endeavor...and I really hope that a reboot follows. I like almost nothing about the direction he's taken with this series. I don't like the way that he characterized Michael at all and I'd prefer that this version of Michael never be seen onscreen again, I don't want Mane back as Myers and I don't want Michael to be a second rate Jason imitation that's trying to recreate broken memories from his otherwise warped childhood. If with another filmmaker at the helm, this version of Michael will never be nearly as effective of a villain as the character that I've loved since I was a kid.
If I want to see this type of slasher done properly, I'll just watch the F13 reboot.

I was glad to see Brad Dourif be given something relevant to do, he's my favorite cast member of the main charactes from Zombie's Halloween films and he was given nothing of interest to do at all in the remake. Sheriff Bracket was one of the few bright spots in this mess of a Halloween film.

Overall, whether this is better than the remake or not isn't even all that important since neither of them are very close to being good anyway, and this film is just another reason to curse the day that Rob Zombie signed on the dotted line to work on this series.

[ABleedingCorpse]

Am I the only person here who actually LOVED Loomis in H2? I don't mean I cheered for him, because he was a total douch...but I loved that change of character.

Am I alone here? Everyone seems to hate Loomis in this film, but I really enjoyed his character.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ I thought he really good! :up:

[Nightmare]

I thought they ruined the Legend of Loomis. Wish it would of been a different character all together.

[Nivek]

I liked it, it's still the same Dr. Phil-ish/ Wayne Gale/ CWO Doctor type personality from the first film, so it didn't bother me that he became an even bigger douche. It would have been kinda repeating the same mistakes of Halloween 4-6 to have him be an aggressive paranoid hunter/ mad man.

[JustABill]

Loomis was already on the road to douchebagdom in the remake, so I don't know why people are surprised by his character here.

[SsM]

I liked it, it's still the same Dr. Phil-ish/ Wayne Gale/ CWO Doctor type personality from the first film, so it didn't bother me that he became an even bigger douche. It would have been kinda repeating the same mistakes of Halloween 4-6 to have him be an aggressive paranoid hunter/ mad man.


I agree, I think that is where a personality like that would go after being in the near death experience RZ Loomis went through.