'H2', Rob Zombie's sequel to 'Halloween'

[Marx]

Well as far as the Weinsteins are concerned its not for right now. With how much they are in debt and such and might even have to sell off the Halloween franchise to make money.

That would probably be a good thing for the franchise.

[The Apatow Crew]

That would probably be a good thing for the franchise.I wonder who buy it. Depends on who the people are. Now Uwe Boll.:csad:

[Marx]

I wonder who buy it. Depends on who the people are. Now Uwe Boll.:csad:

That's true man...it would depend on who buys it. I think it would still be a good thing to get it out of the Weinstein's hands.

[Nivek]

Depends where the Akkads want it to go. In a perfect world, maybe Platinum Dunes. More likely, Twisted Pictures...

[The Apatow Crew]

That's true man...it would depend on who buys it. I think it would still be a good thing to get it out of the Weinstein's hands.I don't think Platinum Dunes would, cause they are trying to make more original, horror/thrillers that's why they signed a deal with paramount. But I think they will still do more NOES and F13 films. They are just trying to expand their horizons.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't think Platinum Dunes would, cause they are trying to make more original, horror/thrillers that's why they signed a deal with paramount. But I think they will still do more NOES and F13 films. They are just trying to expand their horizons. Agreed, which is all the mroe reason why I think Twisted Pictures would take it.

[The Apatow Crew]

Agreed, which is all the mroe reason why I think Twisted Pictures would take it.I mean they already have TCM. Or maybe someone like Sony will pick it up. Or even Universal again. They did parts 2 and 3.

[JustABill]

I don't think the Weinstiens are going to let go of Halloween just yet. They need as many recognizable franchises as possible to stay afloat. Why do you think they are rebooting Scary Movie?

Bringing back Scream?

Yeah, they NEED Halloween, no matter how much the second may or may not have underperformed.

[The Apatow Crew]

But where will they get all the money to fund these films, if they are low on funds They might have to sell something in order to pay for other films.

[JustABill]

Scream and Scary Movie I can guarantee will do well for them. Each installment of those two franchises have been huge box office draws.

[mclay18]

The Weinsteins have had to share profits 50/50 with Disney with each Scary Movie they put out now, since they own the first three movies. I'm not sure how Scream's rights are, ownership-wise.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I mean they already have TCM. Or maybe someone like Sony will pick it up. Or even Universal again. They did parts 2 and 3. Tbh, I think Sony is an unlikely possibly. Universal, however, is perfect.

[The Apatow Crew]

Tbh, I think Sony is an unlikely possibly. Universal, however, is perfect.Reason I said sony is cause they were co parnters with lionsgate in the hostel series, plus they have the REC/Quarantine series also.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Reason I said sony is cause they were co parnters with lionsgate in the hostel series, plus they have the REC/Quarantine series also. Ahhh, I see.

[Episode29]

But where will they get all the money to fund these films, if they are low on funds They might have to sell something in order to pay for other films.

Slasher flicks are dirt cheap to produce. It doesn't take much to produce them.

[Red Mask]

The concept isn't even that hard to understand. It's gore with lots of blood and dead bodies.

[The Original Bamfer]

But that's not what it should be.

[Red Mask]

:huh:

Annie died in RZHII.

Yes and their mother died in Zombie's Halloween. But she came back again in the sequel. It would take a mad genius to have Annie reappear in the next film.

[Red Mask]

But that's not what it should be.

If slasher flicks don't have blood and gore they might as well be PG-13.

[The Apatow Crew]

Yes and their mother died in Zombie's Halloween. But she came back again in the sequel. It would take a mad genius to have Annie reappear in the next film.Yes, but Mother was more a ghost then a human, so that a big difference.

[Spider-ManHero12]

If slasher flicks don't have blood and gore they might as well be PG-13. Not necessarily. Halloween (1978) was a slasher film, but it didn't have loads of blood, and it was still VERY scary.

[The Joker]

Not necessarily. Halloween (1978) was a slasher film, but it didn't have loads of blood, and it was still VERY scary.

One of the many reasons why it's the best. It relies on suspense and terror, not blood and gore.

[Jackasscoley15]

Not necessarily. Halloween (1978) was a slasher film, but it didn't have loads of blood, and it was still VERY scary.

You can put the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre on that list, too. There's hardly any blood at all.

[JustABill]

Something with Massacre in the title should have tons of blood in it.

Plus the original TCM is the most laughable out of all the old classics. I was not scared one bit and wondered why this was so revered by the time I finished watching it.

[The Apatow Crew]

Plus the original TCM is the most laughable out of all the old classics. I was not scared one bit and wondered why this was so revered by the time I finished watching it.Because it's old. and people seem to like old things.:woot: But Yeah I kinda agree with you.

[Spider-ManHero12]

One of the many reasons why it's the best. It relies on suspense and terror, not blood and gore. Agreed, It's my favorite horror film of all time. :up:

[Nightmare]

Id agree. Id put it just above the original Texas Chainsaw and Nightmare on Elm Street movies.

[Red Mask]

Yes, but Mother was more a ghost then a human, so that a big difference.

I didn't say Annie had to be alive in H3D.

[Red Mask]

Not necessarily. Halloween (1978) was a slasher film, but it didn't have loads of blood, and it was still VERY scary.

I consider slasher films like Halloween to be graphic because they usually show us the bodies. But that doesn't necessarily make them the scariest films I've watched. I used to consider ghost and demon films to be scarier because of my Christian upbringing.

Now I'm more enthralled by the disturbing aspects of human nature, like the HBO movie "Conspiracy", which re-enacts how a bunch of Nazis secretly argued and rationalized what would lead to the Holocaust. (Conspiracy isn't a horror film.) Zombie's Halloween disturbs me because it plays with the roots of violent psychosis. Was Michael haunted by his mother, and then Laurie? Or is there possibly a genetic predisposition that hadn't been found in their behavior?

[The Apatow Crew]

This is getting re released into theaters October 30th.

Here is the tv spot.

"Finally you can experience the movie on the weekend it was meant for!" exclaims this 15-second television spot for Rob Zombie's Halloween II (http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/films.php?id=8895). And you've got to wonder - why did they open the sequel on Halloween weekend in the first place?! Regardless, Dimension Films is giving Zombie's sequel a second life on the big screen on October 30 hoping to perhaps lure more movie-goers in with the holiday vibe. Will it work? The film has grossed an estimated $32 million domestically.
http://www.shocktilyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=12424

[Marx]

I think anyone who wanted to see it already has...

[Thundarr]

^True. I didn't even really want to see it and I went to see it anyway. Only reason I did see it is because I had enough points to see it for free (and I still wanted my money back, or at least my 1000 points). No way in hell I'm going to spend any money to watch that pile of crap again.

[Matt Mortem]

I'd go see it again if I got bored enough...and if it was a matinee

[Thundarr]

Agreed, It's my favorite horror film of all time. :up:

I second that!

[Darkness Falls]

it still hasn't come out here :(

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'll go see it again this coming Friday. :up:

[The Apatow Crew]

I'll go see it again this coming Friday. :up:If its playing near me, I'd see it again.


Now just give us some details on the dvd release now! Its been about 2 months since its release into theaters.

[JustABill]

We'll get it in December or January I'm sure.

[Red Mask]

This movie just came out here last week. So yeah, I watched it. And this week will be the even freakier "This Is It", and "Jennifer's Body".

[The Apatow Crew]

We'll get it in December or January I'm sure.the 2007 came out the end of December.


And Rob said in a Interview expect a directors cut, with a different amount of footage taken out and put into the film.

[JustABill]

The director's cut of his remake's added in footage was stuff that should have stayed out. Like Loomis surviving and the rape scene.

[JustABill]

The director's cut of his remake's added in footage was stuff that should have stayed out. Like Loomis surviving and the rape scene.

[The Apatow Crew]

I agree the Rape scene should have been kept out and the original escaping scene was better.

[Nightmare]

I wouldnt go see it again for free.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I agree the Rape scene should have been kept out and the original escaping scene was better. Yeah, the rape scene was, although more realistic, was a bit over the top.

[Red Mask]

Who was raped in the 1st film?

[Darkness Falls]

Who was raped in the 1st film?

the girl in the asylum :huh:

[Red Mask]

I didn't see that. But I don't think it's necessary for the film.

[The Apatow Crew]

The dvd comes out JANUARY 12th, 2010. According to amazon.

[SsM]

I think they should bury this and forget it ever existed. No dvd release...

[The Original Bamfer]

I don't think it was that bad. It was no Resurrection, that's for sure. :o

[JustABill]

This movie could have been better for sure, but no dvd release is crazy. No film has ever been that bad.

[mclay18]

I think they should bury this and forget it ever existed. No dvd release...

I agree. But there is an audience for Zombie's work who'll buy the DVD and Blu-ray, so...

[Spider-ManHero12]

The dvd comes out JANUARY 12th, 2010. According to amazon. Awesome! :up:

[Marx]

I think they should bury this and forget it ever existed. No dvd release...

If only...

[Nivek]

Guess what, no one said you have to buy it, just like I don't own any post Halloween 6 films...

[The Apatow Crew]

In the director's cut that's there's a new ending.

[Marx]

Is it as bad as the one in the movie?

[The Apatow Crew]

Is it as bad as the one in the movie?I don't know yet.
In the directors cut there is alot more stuff put back in that was cut out. And Laurie and Annie aren't as friendly, plus the kills seem bloodier. The version in theaters was 101 mins. the director's cut is 118 mins.

[Marx]

I don't know yet.
In the directors cut there is alot more stuff put back in that was cut out. And Laurie and Annie aren't as friendly, plus the kills seem bloodier. The version in theaters was 101 mins. the director's cut is 118 mins.

There's always hope it will blend the story together better. :up:

[The Apatow Crew]

There's always hope it will blend the story together better. :up:The story flows better now that you have some of the missing pieces into place.

[The Apatow Crew]

As the different ending for this movie goes.
It still ends in that shack like in the other version. But Micheal pushes Loomis out the shack and they are both outside. They are standing toe to toe, before Micheal Rips off his mask and says Die to Loomis before stabbing him in the stomach and then all the police around open fire on Micheal from different angles and after like what seems like a hundred bullets he finally falls over dead. Laurie then walks out the shed and goes over to Micheal and picks up his big knife and stands over Loomis gripping the knife like he's about to stab Loomis. Then a couple gunshots hit Laurie with Bracket yelling to stop and cease fire.

We give a shot of what looks to be from a helicopter and you see all three Loomis, Laurie and Micheal on the ground with the spot light shining back fourth on them. Then it zooms in on Laurie's face. And we pick up where the version is theaters picks up. Except the Halloween song isn't playing But Love Hurts is playing since it was playing over the previous scene.

By the way, guys, about Michael's "DIE!" --

There's an added bit of talk about his relationship with Loomis in the DC. Loomis makes a point that a boy's first urge is to love his mother and kill his father. Loomis is the latest in a long line of father-figures for Michael. Later, when going to Haddonfield, Michael sees a "Devil Walks Among Us" billboard and the fame Loomis is leeching from their "pain."

Basically, there's a reason set up in the DC for Michael to rip off the mask and scream "DIE!"

[Marx]

As the different ending for this movie goes.
It still ends in that shack like in the other version. But Micheal pushes Loomis out the shack and they are both outside. They are standing toe to toe, before Micheal Rips off his mask and says Die to Loomis before stabbing him in the stomach and then all the police around open fire on Micheal from different angles and after like what seems like a hundred bullets he finally falls over dead. Laurie then walks out the shed and goes over to Micheal and picks up his big knife and stands over Loomis gripping the knife like he's about to stab Loomis. Then a couple gunshots hit Laurie with Bracket yelling to stop and cease fire.

We give a shot of what looks to be from a helicopter and you see all three Loomis, Laurie and Micheal on the ground with the spot light shining back fourth on them. Then it zooms in on Laurie's face. And we pick up where the version is theaters picks up. Except the Halloween song isn't playing But Love Hurts is playing since it was playing over the previous scene.

By the way, guys, about Michael's "DIE!" --

There's an added bit of talk about his relationship with Loomis in the DC. Loomis makes a point that a boy's first urge is to love his mother and kill his father. Loomis is the latest in a long line of father-figures for Michael. Later, when going to Haddonfield, Michael sees a "Devil Walks Among Us" billboard and the fame Loomis is leeching from their "pain."

Basically, there's a reason set up in the DC for Michael to rip off the mask and scream "DIE!"

That sounds a little better than the theatrical version.

[The Apatow Crew]

That sounds a little better than the theatrical version.Yeah, and there are other scenes with laurie flipping out on the person who she's speaking with and telling her feelings.

And the mother ghost is more explained in this version.

Plus in the DC cut when Bracket sees Annie dead he loses it and it's emotional. The NO NO NO from the trailer is in it. Plus video of a young Annie with a puppy is shown. The vid is actually of Danielle when younger.

[Marx]

Yeah, and there are other scenes with laurie flipping out on the person who she's speaking with and telling her feelings.

And the mother ghost is more explained in this version.

Plus in the DC cut when Bracket sees Annie dead he loses it and it's emotional. The NO NO NO from the trailer is in it. Plus video of a young Annie with a puppy is shown. The vid is actually of Danielle when younger.

Brackett and Annie are my favorite parts of Zombie's Halloween movies. Brad Dourif and Danielle Harris are amazing performers. :up:

[The Apatow Crew]

Backet and Annie are my favorite parts of Zombie's Halloween movies. Brad Dourif and Danielle Harris are amazing performers. :up: Brad does a better job in this version of the film.

[Episode29]

I agree. But there is an audience for Zombie's work who'll buy the DVD and Blu-ray, so...

...it's better to keep them distracted with this junk than out in the real world procreating?

:awesome:

[Red Mask]

That sounds a little better than the theatrical version.

I'm fine with the theatrical version. If people don't want to collect DVD's then directors should make a definitive plot for the theater.

[Spider-Fan]

That ending sounds stupid, too. The build up to the end is one reason it was lackluster. That is not a significant enough change to improve the film.

[The Apatow Crew]

There are other things different among the ending.

But if you hate it, I suppose nothing will change your mind then.

[The Chris]

So is the bluray the director's cut only or is the theatrical cut on there too?

[Spider-Fan]

I don't see it being much better. DC's are overrated, if you ask me. DC's/EE's are marketing tools anymore, not creative outlets for someone unhappy with the product. Yes, we have DC's like Blade Runner, Kingdom of Heaven, or even Daredevil that are VASTLY better than the movie that was put out, but that doesn't happen all the time. Even with like 10 mins, I still think Loomis' plot will have crappy development and the overall plot of the film won't be greatly improved upon. You usually need more than 10 minutes to make significant change to a film.

[The Apatow Crew]

So is the bluray the director's cut only or is the theatrical cut on there too?I don't think so.

Here are the details.
Sony Pictures Home Entertainment has announced rated DVD ($28.96), unrated DVD ($28.96), and Blu-ray editions of Halloween II for the 12th January. Extras on the rated DVD will include deleted and alternate scenes, audition footage, Uncle Seymour Coffins' Stand-Up Routines, a Michael - Interior feature, Captain Clegg and the Night Creatures Music Videos, and a blooper reel. The unrated DVD and Blu-ray will also include an additional commentary with Writer/Director Rob Zombie.

Plus the cover. All of them are the same. Just one has Unrated Directors Cut on it instead.
http://i49.tinypic.com/rs4zmw.jpg

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wlel, I watched the unrated edition, and I thought it was really good. The only thing I didn't like all that much was the different ending where Michael takes off his mask and yells "Die!" Cool ending, but I'm happier with the one we got in the theatrical version.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't see it being much better. DC's are overrated, if you ask me. Well, that's kind of argueable. I mean, the Daredevil Directors Cut was great, IMO.

[JustABill]

I've just seen the director's cut and this movie definitely turned into a buy for me. It flows so much better with the added in scenes. :up:

[The Shredder]

I'll have to check out this director's cut.

[Eelectro 2]

how have people seen the directors cut already??? i'm very interested in seeing the directors cut so i kno which one to buy the day it comes out

and they now have the alternate ending posted online so am i to think that this is going to be an extra on the dvd like the alternate ending on the first movies dvd?? the alternate ending where he speaks just didnt do it for me. it was too drawn out and too anticlimactic. i liked everything about the ending of the theatrical version because *SPOILERS* loomis gets stabbed in the stomach one time...duznt mean hes dead but in the theatrical version you kno he is dead. and michael getting shot a bunch of times? it happened in the first film too and he got up anyways. the theatrical at least shows you he is dead and there is no way you could survive that. it has finality to it unlike this alternate ending.

id like to kno the actual ending used in the unrated version because the ending is what really matters to me right now

[Mr. Para-Normal]

I am I the only one who did not like this movie? I thought this was unnessscary and a waste of time and money from me and everyone involved in making it. It added nothing new or interesting to the halloween storyline. It was just a bit more brutal thats all.

[CelticPredator]

The new ending is ****ing horrible! Wow....what the **** was Zombie on?

''DIEEEEEE''

wow...stfu Myers.

[Punisher Rising]

I saw the DC of this the other day (never saw the movie in theaters) and I must say I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. It wasn't great, but it definitely kept me entertained and felt more like a real Halloween film than Zombie's first effort at one. I'd give this maybe a 6 or a 7/10, not sure for now.

[Marx]

I saw the DC of this the other day (never saw the movie in theaters) and I must say I was pleasantly surprised at how much I enjoyed it. It wasn't great, but it definitely kept me entertained and felt more like a real Halloween film than Zombie's first effort at one. I'd give this maybe a 6 or a 7/10, not sure for now.

I didn't think RZHII felt like a Halloween movie...at all.

[Punisher Rising]

I think it felt a little closer to the vibe of the original series, but it definitely had RZ's signature all over it. I still think some of the obvious white trash stuff was overdone, but not nearly as overkill to me as in his first effort.

[Marx]

I think it felt a little closer to the vibe of the original series, but it definitely had RZ's signature all over it. I still think some of the obvious white trash stuff was overdone, but not nearly as overkill to me as in his first effort.

RZHII actually made me appreciate his first effort more. For me, the first one definitely feels like a Halloween movie.

[Nightmare]

That alternate ending made me laugh and cringe at the same time.

[Punisher Rising]

RZHII actually made me appreciate his first effort more. For me, the first one definitely feels like a Halloween movie.


I need to rewatch the first RZ Halloween, but I remember not liking it at all, even though it wasn't as bad as I expected and definitely better than Halloween 5 and Resurrection put together. For some reason, I found myself enjoying RZH2 a fair bit. Even if I'm not overly fond of RZ's vision of Halloween/Michael Myers, he did a far better job of presenting it in this film, IMO.

[Marx]

I need to rewatch the first RZ Halloween, but I remember not liking it at all, even though it wasn't as bad as I expected and definitely better than Halloween 5 and Resurrection put together. For some reason, I found myself enjoying RZH2 a fair bit. Even if I'm not overly fond of RZ's vision of Halloween/Michael Myers, he did a far better job of presenting it in this film, IMO.

Once you get past the first 15 minutes of RZH, it's actually not a bad movie. (The first 15 minutes is all of unnecessary trailer trash cursefest.)

[Red Mask]

I saw the alternate ending. That was pretty good too. The end result was the same but boy - is Laurie messed up or what?

This is probably how Nolan's Joker went nuts too. Got off the boat from Ireland. Thought he could start fresh in America. Then somebody gives him the Glasgow Grin to remind him of his roots, and he snaps.

[Punisher Rising]

RZH2 definitely makes me want to rewatch his first effort at a Halloween film, and I'll probably buy them both on Blu-ray one of these days and watch them together back to back. I feel like giving the first one another shot again.

[JustABill]

I actually prefer the alternate ending despite the fact Michael talks in it. Seeing the context of why he was so amped that he expressed his rage at Loomis makes that part less cringe worthy.

[Showtime]

He talks? What does he say?

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ He says "Die!"

[CelticPredator]

'DIIEEEEE!!!"

well...I heard

"FAAAAAIILLLL" but still.,,,

[SsM]

What he really says is this:


YEAH, I HOPE THEY DIE, I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELLLLLLLL!!!!

[Eelectro 2]

i really REALLY hope the alternate ending is just a special feature on the disc and not actually integrated into the film itself, cuz that makes me not want it at all now. its such a bs ending, he just gets blown away by the cops. there is no emotion in that ending. having laurie be the one that duz him in has more of an impact and then we at least kno hes dead and same with loomis. the alternate ending he just gets stabbed in the gut...he could have survived...lame. i think it would have been better if there was the original ending in the theatres where michael and loomis would have struggled in the shed and he got his mask taken off and yelled die before he killed loomis the way he originally did...him talking is the only reason id watch that ending again...but only if it was a special feature

i'm increasingly interested in what is different about the whole entire film leading up to that point. that ending duz nothing to finalize his vision. id say id buy the rated version but if there is that much extra material in the film that makes it almost 10 minutes longer id want to see that one when i watch it...except for the ending

[Eelectro 2]

i cant help but notice on the dvd specs it sez there are alternate and deleted scenes. seeing as how the first halloween had an alternate ending where micheal gets blown away by the cops and the 2nd one has an alternate ending where he gets blown away by the cops, i wonder if its just a special feature ending they are showing online? sometimes they do that before a movie is released on dvd, show some special features. but i've heard people have seen the entire film unrated and this ending is included, but where he hell would they have seen the whole 119 minute unrated directors cut this early when it isnt released until next month?? past that, if there is anybody reading this that has seen the alternate take, wht extra 14 minutes did rob zombie add in??

if nobody can prove to me that they have seen the entire unrated version, then i'm going to just assume (and hope) that its just a special feature seeing as how it sez that on the specs

[theShape]

I don't even understand how an ending like that (the alternate one) was even considered and filmed. And I thought the theatrical ending couldn't get any worse...

[Mr.?]

I knew people where going to freak out when they heard him say "Die" but I thought it was cool to see him say that. The directors cut flowed much better then the theatrical cut and I like pretty much all the added scenes, definitely grabbing this when it comes out and probably the Theatrical cut too.

[Deaths Head II]

The alternate ending only confirms for me that Zombie really has no grasp of the Michael Myers character.

[TheDreamMaster]

What happens in the alternate ending?

[Showtime]

^^ He says "Die!"

Ha. That is hilarious.

I didn't like the sequel at all, but that is a funny moment.

[bullets]

The alternate ending is horriblez , there wouldof been more outrage at that

[The Apatow Crew]

Reason he said what he said cause he Saw Loomis as a character figure in a long line of men in his life. And it goes back to the saying of a son's suppose to love his mom and want to kill his dad. And also he saw that Loomis was getting rich off his family's pain and misery, especially when he saw the devil walks among us billboard coming into town.

[Showtime]

There's a reason for everything, doesn't mean it isn't hilarious and out of place. Which is obviously why it was cut in the first place.

[The Apatow Crew]

I don't see how its hilarious, when it's incontinent of the film.

[Showtime]

I don't see how its hilarious, when it's incontinent of the film.

It's tough to really debate something with you when you'll defend every move Zombie made or didn't even want to make. Why would it be cut if it fit...:dry:

[Marx]

I still think RZH should have been a stand alone movie...but that's neither here nor there now.

[The Apatow Crew]

I still think RZH should have been a stand alone movie...but that's neither here nor there now.Talk to the Weinsteins about it. You can't blame solely Rob.

[Deaths Head II]

I still think RZH should have been a stand alone movie...but that's neither here nor there now.

I would have preferred if Rob just stuck to his original creations.

I know a lot of people hate the opening for RZH, but seeing a little kid beat another little kid to death was pretty disturbing for me. As a scene in a Halloween movie, we didn't need to have Myer's issues be linked back to a crappy childhood, but by itself the childhood scenes were the only moments that really kept my attention. After the jumped to the present day it felt like we were just going through familiar territory and it had been done better before. I think I just prefer Rob's original material.

[Nightmare]

The bad gets worse?

[Marx]

Talk to the Weinsteins about it. You can't blame solely Rob.

Don't get me wrong...I definitely blame the Weinsteins as well.

[JustABill]

The ending is integrated into the film. The ending becomes the real ending of the film. I prefer it to the silly ending with Laurie wearing a mask 5 times the size of her head, that just looked silly.

Plus with the rest of the added in stuff, this ending just makes more sense than the theatrical cut's ending.

[Lunar_Wolf]

This is ending was meh. Glad they stuck with the ending that they did.

[JustABill]

All of you should just be honest you only hate this ending, because Michael speaks in it. If he hadn't spoke you'd all would have been fine with it.

[The Apatow Crew]

And he has a perfect good reason for saying what he says. I liked this version of the film better, cause as you said it flowed far more together.

the ending leaves you wondering if Loomis survived or not. Cause he was only stabbed in the stomach it looked like.

[HighFivingMF]

And he has a perfect good reason for saying what he says. I liked this version of the film better, cause as you said it flowed far more together.

the ending leaves you wondering if Loomis survived or not. Cause he was only stabbed in the stomach it looked like.
I like how the alternate ending also gives the "Laurie in the asylum" ending a completely different meaning than in the theatrical cut even thought they were both the same exact footage. At least that's how I interpreted it.

[bullets]

It might be better because Michael isn't definatively dead . He can get shot 100 times and return but not after getting his head chopped off.

[deathshead2]

That ending gave me a good laugh. When he took off his mask I went "Alan Moore, what are you doing in this."

[Deaths Head II]

That ending gave me a good laugh. When he took off his mask I went "Alan Moore, what are you doing in this."

:lmao:

When I saw that scene, I didn't see Michael Myers. I saw some tall bearded hillbilly yelling at people to get offa his property.

[Mr.?]

It's tough to really debate something with you when you'll defend every move Zombie made or didn't even want to make. Why would it be cut if it fit...:dry:
Theatricul cut is a completely different movie for one. Two is an obvious answer: sequels. A sequel couldn't really have been done with the way it ended in the directors cut and the studio knows this.

[Nivek]

Michael ...ended up impaled on Re bar with a Bowie Knife buried in his face...in the theatrical cut. That is actually a bit more definitive Deaththan what is seen in this alternate cut.

This version of Halloween is over. Now you guys can give crap to whoever else takes over the franchise.

[JustABill]

And he has a perfect good reason for saying what he says. I liked this version of the film better, cause as you said it flowed far more together.

the ending leaves you wondering if Loomis survived or not. Cause he was only stabbed in the stomach it looked like.
All three of them could've survive in this ending. It leaves far more wiggle room for a third one.

[Nivek]

Yeah, if Loomis and Michael are Zombies...

[Lunar_Wolf]

All of you should just be honest you only hate this ending, because Michael speaks in it. If he hadn't spoke you'd all would have been fine with it.

I don't like it because Mane can't act:hehe:

[JustABill]

The official ending is now the ''alternate ending."

Loomis got stabbed in the stomach once, Laurie got shot twice, and Michael got shot multiple times (which he's come back before from)

Also of note? Both...

Michael and Loomis are removed from the crime scene stills montage of all those killed over the two films in the Director's Cut of H2

[Lunar_Wolf]

The official ending is now the ''alternate ending."

Loomis got stabbed in the stomach once, Laurie got shot twice, and Michael got shot multiple times (which he's come back before from)

Also of note? Both...

Michael and Loomis are removed from the crime scene stills montage of all those killed over the two films in the Director's Cut of H2

You can't be serious:doh:

[Eelectro 2]

so aside from the lame new ending, what new material is in the unrated cut that justifies it being 14 minutes longer?

and i only think its a lame ending because the theatrical version gave closure to the characters more than the alternate ending could ever have hoped for. and i dont mind michael talking, i would have liked if they integrated that into the theatrical ending instead. most of the time the unrated versions of movies are ballsier and i gotta say, the new ending just dulls it down and makes it lame

[HighFivingMF]

so aside from the lame new ending, what new material is in the unrated cut that justifies it being 14 minutes longer?

and i only think its a lame ending because the theatrical version gave closure to the characters more than the alternate ending could ever have hoped for. and i dont mind michael talking, i would have liked if they integrated that into the theatrical ending instead. most of the time the unrated versions of movies are ballsier and i gotta say, the new ending just dulls it down and makes it lame
Some of the kills are longer, there are more scenes of Michael and Deborah. I think Brackett finding Annie's body is a different take too. Laurie has more scenes too.

[Spider-ManHero12]

All of you should just be honest you only hate this ending, because Michael speaks in it. If he hadn't spoke you'd all would have been fine with it. Yeah, that's true.

[Nightmare]

His look, the fact he speaks, the fact he looks like a bum. The stupid way Laurie does, it all sucks.

[ABleedingCorpse]

I actually liked this ending. Both endings fair the same with me, but I kinda liked Michael just saying "DIE" and killing Loomis. Though, I would have liked Michael to actually kill Laurie too, then get blasted to death. Laurie killing Michael had the better edge than the new ending, but I still really liked Michael ripping the mask off, scream DIE and kill Loomis. Just wish there was more to it than that.

But both endings fair the same with me. They're not great or good endings by any means, but whatever. I like certian things about both.

[TheWrathOfGod]

Rob Zombie officially killed the shape. What he forgot is that Michael Myers is the corporeal embodiment of Halloween, not a human being. A remake of Halloween should have been a two and a half hour stalker movie with LOTS of harvest imagery. The great thing about Halloween is that it built up to the violence. Suspense is something that doesn't exist in most modern horror movies.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Suspense is something that doesn't exist in most modern horror movies.


Oh thank you. Someone else shares this same opinion.

[Majik1387]

After seeing the alternate ending, I kind of like it better than the theatrical ending. It's pretty much the unused ending from the Halloween remake.

[Deaths Head II]

Oh thank you. Someone else shares this same opinion.

I also feel the same way. I don't like most modern horror films because they almost always lack suspense and atmosphere.

[LastSunrise1981]

I appreciate that Zombie tried to do something different with Michael and the Halloween film in general. But what he failed to understand is that Michael, in my opinion, is the personification of pure evil and that there is no explanation for the murders.

He just does what he does because he's evil. That's all there is to it and trying to explain why he's like that, or showing his beginnings in an abusive household makes the audience sympathize with him rather than fear him.

And he definitely shouldn't have him talking. Michael saying "DIE!!!" just kills the character for me.

With that being said I did enjoy the film and appreciate it for being different.

Perhaps this is what the first Halloween remake should've been? I don't know.

[Heretic]

You know what...I've had it.

I saw 1-3...and was then told that 3 never happened. Then I saw 4-6, and was then told that none of that happened either. Then I saw H20-Resurrection, and oops...time for a reboot...nothing I had ever seen had happened.

Now you're telling me that the H2 I saw in theaters is not the official version and I have to get a DVD to see the movie I already bought a movie ticket to see???

This is not difficult...I pay for a movie...I watch the movie...the next movie follows what I paid to see...it is THAT easy. Halloween has betrayed this very basic relationship with their audience too many times...

[Majik1387]

It's just a different ending. Simmer down. It's not the first movie to have one.

[The Apatow Crew]

You know what...I've had it.

I saw 1-3...and was then told that 3 never happened. Then I saw 4-6, and was then told that none of that happened either. Then I saw H20-Resurrection, and oops...time for a reboot...nothing I had ever seen had happened.

Now you're telling me that the H2 I saw in theaters is not the official version and I have to get a DVD to see the movie I already bought a movie ticket to see???

This is not difficult...I pay for a movie...I watch the movie...the next movie follows what I paid to see...it is THAT easy. Halloween has betrayed this very basic relationship with their audience too many times...Dude stop looking for so damn much attention. You pull some kind of crap in every thread. Just like in the IM 2 thread about you pissing and moaning about the stupid you complete me line.

[Marx]

You know what...I've had it.

I saw 1-3...and was then told that 3 never happened. Then I saw 4-6, and was then told that none of that happened either. Then I saw H20-Resurrection, and oops...time for a reboot...nothing I had ever seen had happened.

Now you're telling me that the H2 I saw in theaters is not the official version and I have to get a DVD to see the movie I already bought a movie ticket to see???

This is not difficult...I pay for a movie...I watch the movie...the next movie follows what I paid to see...it is THAT easy. Halloween has betrayed this very basic relationship with their audience too many times...

I think that might just be a little bit too dramatic...

[The Apatow Crew]

I think that might just be a little bit too dramatic...Like I said just looking for attention. All you have to do is look at the IM2 thread for proof in point.

[Heretic]

Oh, I could have sworn that someone said that the DVD alternate ending was now the official ending.

And I stand by my main point in the iron Man thread...a 13 year old joke thats been done a thousand times on various tv shows and movies is no longer funny. The fact that silly Iron man fans could not accept that very easy premise is what caused the drama.

Now I have another easy point...I dont like spending money for a movie and then being told that I have to spend more money or the next film wont make sense.

[Heretic]

this is why I think this site is full of morons...

The Halloween franchise has repeatedly taken our money, and then repeatedly washed away what we paid to see and you guys LIKE that.

I bring up a point that a story should begin, continue, continue and make sense...and I get called names???? Who DOESNT like a story that makes sense and flows well?? EWhy are you defending poor movie making?

I swear I feel like Im the only one around here that actually wants quality in my movies.

[Majik1387]

Oh, I could have sworn that someone said that the DVD alternate ending was now the official ending.
Where has that been said?
Now I have another easy point...I dont like spending money for a movie and then being told that I have to spend more money or the next film wont make sense.
To be fair, there is nothing official about the next movie other than it is greenlit and will be in 3D.

[Heretic]

A page or two ago someones post says "the alternate ending is now the official ending". It isnt too far back.

Halloween has done this repeatedly...and yet the same people keep supporting it (myself included).

All that I ask...and I know some will be shocked by this...but I want to be able to watch the movies and have them make sense. that is utterly impossible with the first string of Halloween movies, and it seems we are back on the same road now. I am not watching RZH2 again...Im not renting the DVD...so if part 3 of this franchise begins ANY differently than having Mike and Loomis dead and a mommy possessed Laurie in the mental ward, then why bother seeing it? Nothing that happens in the films ever matter anyway.

You guys must love how Spider-Mans last few decades got wiped away...all that continuity gone because its easier this way.

[Majik1387]

Well, Michael was never possessed by his mother, so no reason for Laurie to be.

[Spider-ManHero12]

It's just a different ending. Simmer down. It's not the first movie to have one. Exactly. People are frekaing out for no reason. I mean, you don't have to watch that ending if you don't want to, so why complain?

[Heretic]

Well, Michael was never possessed by his mother, so no reason for Laurie to be.

You know what I mean.

[Majik1387]

Yeah I know, but I'dmuch rather them try to continue with the alternate ending as opposed to creating something along the lines of the original Halloween 3

[Heretic]

Exactly. People are frekaing out for no reason. I mean, you don't have to watch that ending if you don't want to, so why complain?

If the sequel builds off of events only seen in the DVD, then why bother having movies in theaters?

[Majik1387]

The extended cut really only added things to enhance the theatrical cut. The alternate ending just changed things around a bit

[Heretic]

I'm in the minority in that I actually like most of Zombies moves in this franchise. I wish some of the white trash aspect had been toned down...necrophiliac morticians and such...but overall, I liked how he gave his version a story, told us how he spent his down time, showed us what was going on in his head and explained his mindset...

However...the decision was made to make Laurie the killer in part 3...just as they really seemed to be leaning that way with Jamie in the original run...so if the DVD changs that then Im not sure why I wasted money on a movie ticket and didnt just watch the DVD instead. It is very basic movie-making...dont pull a Bobby Ewing on the audience...and there is no defense for doing that when people paid good money for tickets.

For people who are big movie fans to defend the act of simply ignoring what has come before...even belittling those who want stories to make sense...you guys just have lower standards than I do (and I like some really bad movies).

[Majik1387]

Well the alternate ending could still have her as the killer in part 3

[Heretic]

I'm looking forward to it. I didnt like the My Bloody valentine remake as much as others did...I didnt see it in theaters by the way...but I wasnt overly thrilled with the concept of that director getting the gig. I'd have picked Alexandre Aja over him...a few others probably as well.

[Majik1387]

My Bloody Valentine was actually a really good remake while paying a couple of homages to the original, which wasn't too good to begin with

[Deaths Head II]

Laurie won't be the killer in Part 3. Just like Jamie wasn't the killer in Halloween 5. They do not have the guts to make anyone other then Michael be the killer. If they do make another one they will find a way to bring Michael back.

[Deaths Head II]

Double post.

[Heretic]

Yeah, the original was kind of lame...I still didnt like the remake though. My tastes in horror have changed quite a bit in the past few years though, so most basic slasher films dont appeal to me that much. I do like when they try to do something new with the concept...like Behind The Mask, that movie was a kick.

[san15]

The original Halloween will always be a classic. John Carpenter made a movie about a faceless killer (aka the shape) who goes around the neighborhood stalking and killing innocent teens. It had a catchy theme with great direction from Carpenter who created a new iconic villain for horror fans and managed to bring something new to the table. For those people who were around to see the original film in theaters, they actually witnessed horror film history.

Flash forward to 2009!!! It doesn’t matter how many different times the studio reboots the franchise or continue with the endless sequels hiring different writers and directors. The fact of the matter is that the STORY has been told by John Carpenter over 30 years ago. As a result there’s nothing that can make the original STORY any better than what wasn’t remotely deep and complicated to begin with when Michael Myers was first unleashed on the big screen back in 1978.

[Heretic]

The thing is...when your main character is an unstoppable killer...it kind of makes sense to keep telling more story as long as its profitable. With care and talented creators, the sequels would be able to stand next to the original instead of having to be washed away from continuity every few years.

Why did John Carpenter leave anyway??

[Deaths Head II]

I think Carpenter felt he said all he needed to say with first Halloween. The only sequel that really felt necessary was the original H2 which showed the second half of that night, but I think John was happy just leaving it off with Michael Myers running off after being shot at the end of H1.

[san15]

The thing is...when your main character is an unstoppable killer...it kind of makes sense to keep telling more story as long as its profitable. With care and talented creators, the sequels would be able to stand next to the original instead of having to be washed away from continuity every few years.

Why did John Carpenter leave anyway??

From a business perspective that all makes sense for them to continue with the franchise, but since I’m just a moviegoer if I want to watch the definitive Halloween I’ll stick with the original.

As for John Carpenter not returning I guess he only wanted to direct one movie. Myers and Dr. Loomis was killed (so I thought) in an explosion from the original H2. Therefore the Halloween movies should’ve ended there, but then again I’m not an executive just a moviegoer.

[san15]

I think Carpenter felt he said all he needed to say with first Halloween. The only sequel that really felt necessary was the original H2 which showed the second half of that night, but I think John was happy just leaving it off with Michael Myers running off after being shot at the end of H1.

I think Sean S. Cunningham felt the same way about the original Friday the 13th.

I wish the series had ended in part 4. Since it was called the final chapter (yeah right). :csad:

[Matt Mortem]

You know, I'm listening to Zombie's commentary on H2 and I kind of understand a little more about why this films isn't as good as his others. He was pretty rushed through the entire production.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Tbh, I thought the unrated cut was really good. :up:

[bullets]

What's the word on Halloween 3?

[CrypticOne]

What's the word on Halloween 3?

There's going to be another one?!

I thought Michael died at the end of II?

[Majik1387]

Only official things is that it will be in 3D and that it will be directed by Patrick Lussier.

Unless there's more that I missed.

[JustABill]

Lussier and his writer are out. Weinstiens felt they were rushing the third one and they slowed the production to a halt to take new pitches.

[Heretic]

If even the Weinstien's thought it was being rushed then that means it was scheduled to be released by the end of the month...

[Deaths Head II]

There's going to be another one?!

I thought Michael died at the end of II?

Like that ever slowed him down in the past.

[Nivek]

Like that ever slowed him down in the past.

He's been burned, shot, blown up, put in a power nullifying Magic circle, electrocuted, and had his @$$ kicked by a rap artist.

But had 8" of Bowie knife stick in his skull after falling on a bundle of sharp rebar? Not that I remember. I was pretty obvious Rob wanted it done.

[marvelman2006]

I just rented this on bluray from blockbuster, I heard nothing but bad things about this all over but I enjoyed the remake so I thought I would give this a shot. Here is a list of complaints and why i rate this a 4 out of 10:

- Too many "F" words used here. At one point laurie just starting yelling it whenever she spoke. Became numb to that very quickly.
- No real story here at all, besides a white sherrie zombie with a horse telling michael what to do.
- Rob making all the original favorite characters a bunch of a-holes (i.e loomis and laurie being completley annoying).
- Too many random people getting murdered for no reason or rhyme. case in the point the 2 hillbillys with the girl when there driving in the field and come accross michael and just start attacking him.
- Lauries story in general... I know she might be alittle tramatic after the events of the first movie but in this she has the attitude of a runaway problem child and cusses and whines about life not being fair.
- really bad acting accross the board.. from the side actors to laurie and loomis.

I know Im missing more but look I loved the original 2 and this was a giant slap in the face to hardcore fans of the original 2.

[Nivek]

Nothing changes here, does it...


*walks away*

[Nivek]

Nothing changes here, does it...


*walks away*

[The Joker]

I just rented this on bluray from blockbuster, I heard nothing but bad things about this all over but I enjoyed the remake so I thought I would give this a shot. Here is a list of complaints and why i rate this a 4 out of 10:

- Too many "F" words used here. At one point laurie just starting yelling it whenever she spoke. Became numb to that very quickly.
- No real story here at all, besides a white sherrie zombie with a horse telling michael what to do.
- Rob making all the original favorite characters a bunch of a-holes (i.e loomis and laurie being completley annoying).
- Too many random people getting murdered for no reason or rhyme. case in the point the 2 hillbillys with the girl when there driving in the field and come accross michael and just start attacking him.
- Lauries story in general... I know she might be alittle tramatic after the events of the first movie but in this she has the attitude of a runaway problem child and cusses and whines about life not being fair.
- really bad acting accross the board.. from the side actors to laurie and loomis.

I know Im missing more but look I loved the original 2 and this was a giant slap in the face to hardcore fans of the original 2.

Well said :up:

[theShape]

He's been burned, shot, blown up, put in a power nullifying Magic circle, electrocuted, and had his @$$ kicked by a rap artist.

But had 8" of Bowie knife stick in his skull after falling on a bundle of sharp rebar? Not that I remember. I was pretty obvious Rob wanted it done.


Nothing changes here, does it...


*walks away*

Luckily, no one cares what Zombie wanted. And yes, most rational humans still hate Zombie's Halloween.

[Pittman4Two]

Saw Rob Zombie’s H2 last night. As the original Halloween is my favorite horror movie of all time, you probably could guess where my review is going with this one.

I had neglected to see this movie after have little to no interest after viewing the trailers. I was simply appalled by Rob Zombie’s first effort. I hadn’t realized I had indirectly paid to watch Friday the 13th. My ticket said Halloween but who was this huge hulking Jason-type freak? In a nutshell, I didn’t like the remake…not one bit.

So after almost a year since H2 was in theaters, I decided to drop $4.99 and rent it in high-def. I am a Halloween fan after all so this one couldn’t be any worse, right?...right? The first 10 minutes or however long Laurie’s dream sequence lasts I was shaking my head the entire way. What’s with Michael having to saw off a guy’s head with a piece of broken glass (and the audience having an extreme closeup of the act)? What’s with Michael stabbing the nurse 20 times? How much blood can be in one scene? *sigh* I knew this wasn’t going to be good. I’m not even going to get into the white horse and mommy visions. Just plain atrocious and utterly ridiculous. This is not a Halloween film. Did I rent Midnight Meat Trick or Treat?

What makes (or made) the original Halloween so scary was suspense, dark corners, music, camera angles, etc. This movie had one or two sequences that gave that feeling (Laurie in the guard house for example) but it succumbed to ramped up gore and rock music. Seeing Annie and Laurie roll around in Annie’s blood was comical and totally unnecessary. Yes, I know Zombie wanted it to hit home how angry Michael was. I thought he was a little angry when he strangled Annie in the original movie…the grunting and bare-hand strangulation put that point across did it not? This brings me to another argument that appears to be had in this thread. I really didn’t have any issues with Michael grunting while stabbing the victims. It reminded me of those particular scenes in the original like the aforementioned car scene with Annie and the “ghost” scene with Linda.

What was with Loomis? At what point in the original series did Zombie note Loomis turning into an *******? As some have said earlier, Loomis was an afterthought (just like the whole filmmaking process of this one). Loomis is such an integral part of the original series…almost as integral as Michael himself. I just don’t get it.

Not a good film at all. I’m of the opinion that Rob Zombie and his producers buried this franchise even further than those who gave us H5, H6, and H8.

3/10

[CrypticOne]

Saw Rob Zombie’s H2 last night. As the original Halloween is my favorite horror movie of all time, you probably could guess where my review is going with this one.

I had neglected to see this movie after have little to no interest after viewing the trailers. I was simply appalled by Rob Zombie’s first effort. I hadn’t realized I had indirectly paid to watch Friday the 13th. My ticket said Halloween but who was this huge hulking Jason-type freak? In a nutshell, I didn’t like the remake…not one bit.

So after almost a year since H2 was in theaters, I decided to drop $4.99 and rent it in high-def. I am a Halloween fan after all so this one couldn’t be any worse, right?...right? The first 10 minutes or however long Laurie’s dream sequence lasts I was shaking my head the entire way. What’s with Michael having to saw off a guy’s head with a piece of broken glass (and the audience having an extreme closeup of the act)? What’s with Michael stabbing the nurse 20 times? How much blood can be in one scene? *sigh* I knew this wasn’t going to be good. I’m not even going to get into the white horse and mommy visions. Just plain atrocious and utterly ridiculous. This is not a Halloween film. Did I rent Midnight Meat Trick or Treat?

What makes (or made) the original Halloween so scary was suspense, dark corners, music, camera angles, etc. This movie had one or two sequences that gave that feeling (Laurie in the guard house for example) but it succumbed to ramped up gore and rock music. Seeing Annie and Laurie roll around in Annie’s blood was comical and totally unnecessary. Yes, I know Zombie wanted it to hit home how angry Michael was. I thought he was a little angry when he strangled Annie in the original movie…the grunting and bare-hand strangulation put that point across did it not? This brings me to another argument that appears to be had in this thread. I really didn’t have any issues with Michael grunting while stabbing the victims. It reminded me of those particular scenes in the original like the aforementioned car scene with Annie and the “ghost” scene with Linda.

What was with Loomis? At what point in the original series did Zombie note Loomis turning into an *******? As some have said earlier, Loomis was an afterthought (just like the whole filmmaking process of this one). Loomis is such an integral part of the original series…almost as integral as Michael himself. I just don’t get it.

Not a good film at all. I’m of the opinion that Rob Zombie and his producers buried this franchise even further than those who gave us H5, H6, and H8.

3/10

Not to defend the movie but you do know Michael Myers is different than normal people, right? That is why he would cut a guys' head off with a piece of glass and stab a nurse 50 times. He's a murdering psychopath.

But yeah....the movie wasn't all that great.

[Pittman4Two]

CrypticOne, of course I realize he is a psychopath, but he's not Jason Voorhees.

[Mr.?]

I just rented this on bluray from blockbuster, I heard nothing but bad things about this all over but I enjoyed the remake so I thought I would give this a shot. Here is a list of complaints and why i rate this a 4 out of 10:

- Too many "F" words used here. At one point laurie just starting yelling it whenever she spoke. Became numb to that very quickly.
- No real story here at all, besides a white sherrie zombie with a horse telling michael what to do.
- Rob making all the original favorite characters a bunch of a-holes (i.e loomis and laurie being completley annoying).
- Too many random people getting murdered for no reason or rhyme. case in the point the 2 hillbillys with the girl when there driving in the field and come accross michael and just start attacking him.
- Lauries story in general... I know she might be alittle tramatic after the events of the first movie but in this she has the attitude of a runaway problem child and cusses and whines about life not being fair.
- really bad acting accross the board.. from the side actors to laurie and loomis.

I know Im missing more but look I loved the original 2 and this was a giant slap in the face to hardcore fans of the original 2.
You realize it wasn't a remake of the original Halloween 2.....right?

[JustABill]

Still doesn't make this film any less a piece of crap.

[CrypticOne]

CrypticOne, of course I realize he is a psychopath, but he's not Jason Voorhees.

Yeah, but Jason wouldn't do what Michael does to people. Jason has a machete and only swings it once. Myers has a kitchen knife....think about it.

[JustABill]

I think the thing he's saying is, Jason's always been the more brutal of the two. Michael's rarely grunted and stabbed over excess, he'd stab maybe two or three times and be done with it. Zombie's Michael grunted and stabbed someone like 40 times before being done with them.

[Pittman4Two]

JustABill, exactly right.

Michael Myers' character had his own personality and way which scared much of America half to death back in the late 70's and through the 80's. Slowly...and for some reason, filmmakers have slowly turned him into Jason Voorhees in that style killing is what is supposedly "scaring" people...it makes me laugh and shake my head in disgust.

Get back to basics.

[JustABill]

Heh. I once read somewhere a comment I agreed with. In the remake they made Jason smarter and more cunning like Michael. In the Michael's remake, they made him more dumb, stupid, and a big grunting ogre like Jason.

[Marx]

Heh. I once read somewhere a comment I agreed with. In the remake they made Jason smarter and more cunning like Michael. In the Michael's remake, they made him more dumb, stupid, and a big grunting ogre like Jason.

Pretty much.

[theShape]

Heh. I once read somewhere a comment I agreed with. In the remake they made Jason smarter and more cunning like Michael. In the Michael's remake, they made him more dumb, stupid, and a big grunting ogre like Jason.

Just depresses me.

[marvelman2006]

You realize it wasn't a remake of the original Halloween 2.....right?


yes I do but in the context of remakes and sequels you compare this to halloween 2, for crying out loud they even had a hospital scene which took up 10-15 minutes of screen time and even the same premise of the story continuing seconds after the first ending. lets face it zombie even called it "halloween 2." that in and of itself opens it to be compared to the original sequel. I still say this was a slap in the face to michael myers fans.

[maxthue]

Just saw it, and first i'll say that i'm normally very Happy for every new Sequels, Prequels ur Remakes... but THIS... was Just Awefull Hate so much