Is it Good?

[weezerspider]

I've yet to watch the show, is it any good? It looks terribly childish. Is it worth watching? Campy? Anything.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Just read the exisiting threads in this forum. We're pretty much covering everything episode to epsiode. All your questions will be answered.

[Visionary]

It's horrible. This crap, after The Dark Knight movie. Yeesh, it's as if Warner Bros. said to themselves, "you know what, let's release something of Batman that's truly horrid, we can't have fans loving everything about Batman in 2008". :dry:...:(

[Mistah K88]

I wouldn't say it's horrible...watch season one of "The Batman" for that. Aside from a couple episodes from "The Batman" season 1 you'll be screming and begging for this show. Anyway, truth be told, it's different. I think it does better than "The Batman" did with me BECAUSE it is so different from BTAS. Batman is still serious, it's just the secondary characters that can be more carefree. Even in the Adam West series Batman was serious about his job...it was just the situations he was put in that was VERY rediculous. This show seems to be more about the other heros than Batman (despite him having his name in the title), which is good because it introduces more characters in the DC universe.

[SHADOWBAT69]

You know what, let me expand my original post. If all you like is the dark, brooding, violent, anti social, ******* Batman, then dont watch this. If you are a fan of the Batman character in all his representations, then give it a watch. They are going to show reruns for the next couple weeks, so you can catch up and then form your own opinion.

[Drz]

It's horrible. This crap, after The Dark Knight movie. Yeesh, it's as if Warner Bros. said to themselves, "you know what, let's release something of Batman that's truly horrid, we can't have fans loving everything about Batman in 2008". :dry:...:(
I want to know what truly makes this so horrible and crap.

Anyhow this is my opinion of Batman:
- its for children, yet it did have some balls and showed Bruce behaving like a brat and then they show his parents die. The Batman tried to hide Bruce's parent's death all the time if you ask me, just look at the "the end of the batman" episode with Wrath and Scourge.
- What sucks is the lack of Batman villains, but this is what you except from a justice league show. :\
- Its not campy by its term, camp is knowing the source material and making fun of it, while this show's source material is the Silver Age and the Batman: Brave and the Bold comics.
- Batman is badass and pretty much a god in this show, he has awesome gadgets, a very good voice actor (But he only has Batman voice, since we never see him as Bruce Wayne) and so on.
- Its funny even for a children show, sure B:TAS had some adult jokes that you didn't get when you were a child but now you laugh at jokes like The Flash saying hes the fastest man alive and Green Lantern replies with a "so this is why you never get a date" >:3

I honestly recommend watching 2,3 and 4 atleast. I didn't like the 1st episode that much but the first minutes were awesome with Green Arrow, i just don't like Blue Beetle. :/

[DOG LIPS]

It's definitely an acquired taste, to be sure. But I'm having a blast with this series. It's extremely entertaining. It's big time old school Bats, and you just have to watch it and have fun, not hope for the dark and brooding character. Think 60's fun and wam bam action and you'll fall in love quickly. :)

[Visionary]

I want to know what truly makes this so horrible and crap.It's crap and horrible because it's goofy, humorous, campy and reminds people of the Adam West days of whimsy. It's Batman, not Plastic-Man. I realize it's for kids, but damn, how stupid do they think children are? It was children and families that helped TDK bring in a billion bucks. This cartoon is a waste of animation.

[DOG LIPS]

Anyone know what kind of ratings this thing is getting?

[SHADOWBAT69]

It's crap and horrible because it's goofy, humorous, campy and reminds people of the Adam West days of whimsy. It's Batman, not Plastic-Man. I realize it's for kids, but damn, how stupid do they think children are? It was children and families that helped TDK bring in a billion bucks. This cartoon is a waste of animation.


LOL That doesnt make it crap. Maybe to you, but thats your problem. Its a shame you cant accept the entire history of Batman. Maybe you should get your username changed.

[Darkseid1]

It's crap and horrible because it's goofy, humorous, campy and reminds people of the Adam West days of whimsy. It's Batman, not Plastic-Man. I realize it's for kids, but damn, how stupid do they think children are? It was children and families that helped TDK bring in a billion bucks. This cartoon is a waste of animation.

this has got to be one of the most IGNORANT posts ive read here on the hype. because its made in the retro style and may be remniscient of the 60's show its horrible and crap. wow. go back to your dark nolan world.

[Captain Planet!]

Just give it a chance and watch a few episodes.

[The_Riddler?]

Hmm. How about you judge for yourself. One mans trash is anothers treasure.

Judging from what I've been reading on this forum, there is more love for this show than not. Those who seem disappointed in it seem only to accept the more recent version of our masked avenger. It is a shame there are such closed minded individuals in this Batman fanbase of ours.

[cerealkiller182]

Its fun, but its not too interesting. Whether I watch an episode or not is based almost exclusively on who batman is teamed up with.

[SmileOnMyFACE]

I felt really iffy about the show until I actually sat down and watched it.
It's really not bad. Definitely something different, but it's good. It is a kids show so you should keep that in mind while watching, but it is entertaining and not just nonsensical crap. The animation and art are really snazzy and well done too, much better than the kind of stuff you see on other kids shows these days. The show has a really fun atmosphere to it, as compared to the darker and more serious atmosphere of BTAS (which I love, by the way).

So yes. It's good. It just depends on personal preferences. (:

[JAK®]

The show is great. A lot of people don't like it because they're afraid that if a show has any humour in it, it might appeal to children. And we can't have that, can we?

[Grommers]

I've watched the first three episodes, and to be honest, I dont know if I could stand a season of this, its just too....repetitive. Like I said it'd be a cool idea as a DTV or something completely different but to expect season after season of the same stuff...is just lol.

[The_Riddler?]

I dont really see anything that is repetitive. At least nothing that cannot be found in any other show on television. Season after season of the same stuff is precisely what television shows are Im afraid.

[DJ Kornphlake]

If anything is repetitive, it's Grommer's complaining.

[ross2287]

The only episode I watched was with Plastic Man and I didn't like it too much.
Any suggestions on good episodes?

[SHADOWBAT69]

The only episode I watched was with Plastic Man and I didn't like it too much.
Any suggestions on good episodes?

Well, there have only been 5 episodes so far. The Aquaman episode was pretty good, as was the last weeks. Day of the Dark Knight.

[weezerspider]

I perfer the Dark Hero, but I like the '60s Batman too if done right. I'll have to give it a try. The main thing that turned me kinda off was that it wasn't really a BATMAN show. Its not in Gotham, it does not have Bat villains. I'll give it a try and hope its atleast worthy of watching weekly.

[Dark Knight90!]

this has got to be one of the most IGNORANT posts ive read here on the hype. because its made in the retro style and may be remniscient of the 60's show its horrible and crap. wow. go back to your dark nolan world.

See... this is the problem with Bat-fans!

You can't have an argument concerning light and dark batman without resorting to mocking the opposing version. If it wasn't for Adam West, Batman may not even have been around today. In comparison, Chris Nolan has been able to salvage the character for modern popularity.

Batman suits his times... they are just trying to let a bit of variety exist today, which can only be a healthy thing.

[weezerspider]

I've seen a few episodes and I can't understand the "dark" fans complaints about the show. Batman himself seems to be very similair to BTAS batman. The show itself is lighter and somewhat childish, but the character Batman is Batman. He's not Frank Miller dark, but he's not Adam West either.

Oh, and I like the show. Its not great, but its pretty entertaining.

[Spider-Bat]

The show is horribel garbage. There's a reason they have been cleaning Batman up since the 60's bringin him back to his roots. It is no longer the forties and he doesn't need to be censored.

He's not a campy goofball, they have been trying to erase the stygma from the Adam West show for a reason, don't go back to it.

I try to watch it for fun but just can't.

The design and look of the Bat gadgets and vehicles especially the BatMobile look cool but, that is it.

Show sucks. They need to do another Timm animated series.

No more camp.

I have to admit though, I like the fun look but that is all.

It is a one star show, :star: , with nothing to it at all but bad puns and an insult to all the good work they put into fixing and revamping sicne the late 60's thanks to the greats such as, Julius Schwarts Neal Adams, Dennis O'neal, and Jim Aparo.

:nono::down

[SuperFerret]

I've only seen a single episode ("Fall of the Blue Beetle" or something like that), but I've got to admit, I like it. A lot. It's fun, and exciting. I can see why some people may not like it, but I personally am not afraid to enjoy "kiddie" stuff nor do I try and force maturity on something that didn't always have it.

[Manic]

I've finally seen this show, and I've only caught a few episodes so far. I like it. It's like taking the badass Batman of recent years, and thrusting him into the goofy 1960's Batman world. Batman is completely serious about his job, but every villain and cameoing superhero is dopey as hell. It reminds me of the Teen Titans cartoon, where Robin was the only serious one.

It's just plain fun, really. When I want to see a serious Batman, I'll bust out my The Animated Series and Justice League DVDs.

[MysterioMenace]

It's no BTAS, but it's def. not as bad as The Batman either. It's got this great retro charm to it and in no way is it as campy as some people make it out to be. I'm enjoying it and it's found its audience. I hate how it's always viewed as dark or light Batman. One or the other. The truth is that Batman works best as neither extreme. Find a happy medium. I believe this is it. So the story’s are fairly basic and childish, but the character of Batman’s spot on.

[GL's Light]

I recently caught up with the show, watching the first 10 episodes, and I found it to be hugely entertaining. Really excellent stuff. The humor and voice acting are spot-on. The animation is fluid and the scores are excellent, as is the design work. The team-ups are a blast, and it's fun seeing Batman visit the various corners of the DC Universe.

We have a great dark Batman in the live action films and animated DTVs (and there's always the awesome Batman: The Animated Series to rewatch) and a new light, breezy animated series that takes various elements of DC's history and melds them into a neo-Silver Age tone. The best of both worlds I say. Here's to a 65-episode run! :batty:

[CaptainClown]

Hmm. How about you judge for yourself. One mans trash is anothers treasure.

Judging from what I've been reading on this forum, there is more love for this show than not. Those who seem disappointed in it seem only to accept the more recent version of our masked avenger. It is a shame there are such closed minded individuals in this Batman fanbase of ours.
It seems to me, note seems, that most people who don't like it became huge fans with Batman Begins and TDK in the wake of the dominant dark batman. Most people that post on here that enjoy it have a pretty good idea about the character as I have spoken with many of them in the comic threads also. Maybe that is it.

[Two-Face=Badass]

It seems to me, note seems, that most people who don't like it became huge fans with Batman Begins and TDK in the wake of the dominant dark batman. Most people that post on here that enjoy it have a pretty good idea about the character as I have spoken with many of them in the comic threads also. Maybe that is it.
I agree with this, and I think the ones who became a fan watching the recent movies but wished to know more about the character seem to appreciate this cartoon more as well. Those that kind of stuck with BB/TDK seem to mostly not like this lighter Batman.

Note that this is my opinion and that I am not thinking in absolutes, I believe that there a exceptions.

[GL's Light]

Those, like myself, who loved the Keith Giffen/J.M. DeMatteis Justice League series are probably more likely to respond favorably to Batman: The Brave and the Bold. "The Eyes of Despero!" (scripted by J.M. DeMatteis) even recreated the famous bit where Batman knocked Guy Gardner out with one punch. :woot:

[SuperFerret]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

I personally prefer lighter fare in my comics/cartoons, but I do like the occasional darker story. It's just if you spend too much time in the darkness, you start to feel comfortable there and begin to fear the light.

[weezerspider]

I still don't see how people find Batman campy on the show. The show itself is, but the character Batman is right out of the comics. I like it. its fun and entertaining. BTAS is way better, but Brave and Bold is a really good show. It has more of a "comic Feel" to it, if yah know what I mean.

[Alastor]

I think its a nice melding of both the Adam West and Silver Age comic books with the 90's animated series Batman. He has humor, but it's mostly internal dialogue. And as far as the wackiness, I love it! Great light-hearted feel to it, and it works, for me. Life is depressing enough, so I don't necessarily want my entertainment to be. I like to see Batman beating up gangsters and taking on the Joker, but its nice to see him face off against more outrageous super-villains and monsters/aliens every once and awhile.

[batboy99]

I still don't see how people find Batman campy on the show. The show itself is, but the character Batman is right out of the comics. I like it. its fun and entertaining. BTAS is way better, but Brave and Bold is a really good show. It has more of a "comic Feel" to it, if yah know what I mean.
Agreed. I dont think people understand that Batman was like that before.

[WeaponZed3]

I just watched the first episode and loved it. Its VERY funny and pretty much makes fun of how "gody" people see batman.

[3dman27]

mystery in space is IMHO one of the best eps it shows an aquaman demoralized after failing to prevent the slaugter of whalesaccompanig batman to rann to help adam stange batle an invasion when stranges wife alanna is capturedseeing adam become depressed and defeatist make aquaman realize he'd been overreacting and snaps out of it,forming the plan that ends the invasion

[Shaolin Kenobi]

I will admit... I haven't given it a truly fair chance... but what I saw was horrid. Batman was constantly having an inner dialog that was just silly. Aquaman was sad and Batman took with him on a mission as a pity date. I managed about 15 minutes. I would say look to one of the other Batman cartoon series.

[SHADOWBAT69]

I will admit... I haven't given it a truly fair chance... but what I saw was horrid. Batman was constantly having an inner dialog that was just silly. Aquaman was sad and Batman took with him on a mission as a pity date. I managed about 15 minutes. I would say look to one of the other Batman cartoon series.


With all due respect, its hard to base an entire series off of 15 minutes of one episode. Also, if you had watched the entire episode, you would have seen the reason for Aquamans attitude in this story. The slaughtering of whales was a rather serious topic for the cartoon.

[Cain]

With all due respect, its hard to base an entire series off of 15 minutes of one episode.

lol that's not even one percent of the entire series. I can't take anybody's opinion on this program serious if they make comments like that.

[Two-Face=Badass]

lol that's not even one percent of the entire series. I can't take anybody's opinion on this program serious if they make comments like that.
Agreed, and love your new icon.

[Drz]

Yeah the show has gotten some seriousness, i mean when Solomon Grundy was gonna cut the man's upper head for his brain i was like "And this was suppose to be a light-hearted show?!?" :P

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Not to mentioned this show has killed off more people in its first season than the entire DCAU combined.

[Drz]

Hmm in what episode did people die? :O

[Manic]

THEY KILLED PLATELET!

*cries*

[Two-Face=Badass]

Killed people so far in the cartoon:
Martha Wayne - Shot in alley
Thomas Wayne - Shot in alley
Morgaine Le Fay - Vaporised by Excalibur
Slug/Sleeze/What's-his-name - Killed by Outsiders
Ted Kord - Killed in missile explosion
Platelet - Ripped apart by virus (PLATELEEEET!)
Wong Fu - Poisoned by the Terrible Trio
Store Clerk - Poisoned by Joker's laughing gas
Kreegar and a frack-load of Gordanians - Killed in Eye of Zared explosion
Astaroth - Killed from exposure to iron
Gentleman Jim Craddock - Hanged to death

Wow! Looking back, that is one huge body count!

[TruerToTheCore]

More death than in BTAS.

[Shaolin Kenobi]

With all due respect, its hard to base an entire series off of 15 minutes of one episode. Also, if you had watched the entire episode, you would have seen the reason for Aquamans attitude in this story. The slaughtering of whales was a rather serious topic for the cartoon.


Hey.. I actually updated my opinion. There is another thread about which is better The Batman or BATB... and everybody was so hyped on BATB... so I decided to DVR a few episodes. I really love it. It's actually way more enjoyable than The Batman (IMO). I ahev caught about 4 or 5 episodes (still ahven't seen the saddy aquaman yet though). One thing I have noticed and really think is cool... so far... No Bruce Wayne. It's been all Batman all the time... Is it always like that?

[Drz]

Seems so, they really wanna focus on him crimefightning. Last episode showed Bruce Wayne and Richard Grayson but their nose+eye area were covered in shadow. It really looks like Bruce Wayne looks like the New batman adventures tbh.

[bunk]

It's a pretty good show. I find myself watching it more for the guest stars, but I still like Bats. It does seem like a weird move given the popularity of the movies right now. I always expected a new series that was sort of similar to the movies in tone and with some of the visuals.

[Drz]

Meh those kinda cartoons would never reach B:TAS' level due to nowday censors of cartoons and besides, darker Batman cartoons have been done before. Perhaps they could give ti a try after Brave and Bold but with all its success atm... could Brave and Bold go beyond 5 seasons?

[Octoberist]

i love this show

[SHADOWBAT69]

One thing I have noticed and really think is cool... so far... No Bruce Wayne. It's been all Batman all the time... Is it always like that?


Yeah, so far. If I remember correctly, before this was even debuted, the creators said they wanted to focus on the "superhero" factor of batman, which meant no Bruce Wayne. We would only see batman as the cape and cowl.

[trustyside-kick]

Morrison's writing style when he took over the Batman title drew me completely away from Batman as a character. I started to dislike seeing his cameos in other titles, and especially his involvement in Final Crisis. My love for Batman was already fading with how people treat him like he is the ultimate superhero, and can beat ANYONE that comes his way. Then people trying to act like he is SOOOO dark and gloomy which makes him 34789579 times cooler and more of a badass. Hell, I can argue, and WIN, that Aquaman is darker than Batman and people will scratch their heads. However, Morrison's writing on his title was the last straw. You gotta understand...I was starting to hate the character and my lifelong #1 superhero Batman.

But this cartoon, takes things that I used to love about Batman and rejuvinates me being a fan of him (the Nolan fillms too, but I just damn well love this cartoon). He does do some impressive things but he isn't "BAT GOD!!!" like he was in some comic cameos and appearances prior to his death. I love the interaction with the other characters (ESPECIALLY Aquaman; I'm a huge Aquaman fan, and while he is different in this show, it is a pleasant to watch) and what I love most is that it doesn't necessarily center around Batman's world. I can understand that they put his name and character as the "main idea" of the show, but really it's to expose other lesser loved/known characters of the DCU to mainstream media.

That's the biggest reason I love it. They are exposing non-comic fans to many characters that you may not be familair with unless you are a comic fan.

And btw...all the love Aquaman gets, this same creative team could EASILY do a successful Aquaman spin-off/mini-sode series.

[Bathead]

The thing about this show is, although it is supposed to be aimed at kids (and make no mistake, it is) this show is a nostalgic head trip for the old batfans like me.To me, a Bat-fan since the days before Adam West, when Sprang was still the artist, this is the kind of cartoon I'd have dearly wished for. It combines the look and sensibilities of the comics I loved as a kid, nicely animated but better written. I love it. It even has a sort of Jack Kirby vibe to the art design (especially in the character drawings in the title sequence) Which is something I'd always wished had happened, that of a Batman comic drawn by the king. This is probably as close to that wish as I'll ever get. Great stuff.

[DarthDaveBanner]

Just started seeing this recently and am pleasantly suprised by it.

The show is a lot more clever than I thought it would be. (Legends of the Dark Mite is a must view!)

[Johann Krauss]

I've watched about 4 episodes and I think it's very meh.

Basically every episode is "Batman doing something, Batman teams up with ______, Batman and ______ save the day".

I think The Batman was more entertaining. Seriously, Why do you people hate that show so much?

[Manic]

The Batman tried to do what Batman TAS did, but wasn't nearly as good. Thus, backlash.

Batman TBATB tried to do what the old Hanna-Barbera Batman and Superfriends cartoons did, but much much better. Thus, praise. Also, backlash from those who hate Blue-Cape Batman.

[Orb]

Yeha I liked The Batman as well.

[Cain]

There were some episodes of The Batman that I really liked but as a whole I found it pretty dull and lifeless throughout the first 2 seasons especially. Season 3 was possibly the best 4 was ok and season 5 prepared the producers for this show. But as a whole the show was just alright I'd give it a 6/10 counting all seasons where as BTAS gets an 8/10.

[Etienne]

The Batman is hit or miss for me. The episodes that are good are really good and the ones that are bad are...well you get the idea. For me there's no middle ground when it came to the quality of the show. I still can't get over the bastardization of Mr. Freeze and I'm not much of a Freeze fan.

[DarthDaveBanner]

There were some episodes of The Batman that I really liked but as a whole I found it pretty dull and lifeless throughout the first 2 seasons especially. Season 3 was possibly the best 4 was ok and season 5 prepared the producers for this show. But as a whole the show was just alright I'd give it a 6/10 counting all seasons where as BTAS gets an 8/10.

Your avatar is EPIC.

[Fresh Prince]

Its good reminds me of the 60s show.

[Manic]

It's a lot more serious than the 60s show, though. It's more like Batman during the 70s, I'd say. Just Silver Agey enough.

[Fresh Prince]

It's a lot more serious than the 60s show, though. It's more like Batman during the 70s, I'd say. Just Silver Agey enough.

Wasn't Batman in the 70s still light toned? Batman 1960s show was light toned. Same as TBATB.

[cerealkiller182]

I wouldnt say TBATB is TOO light toned. Batman is witty but not goofy. Hes still gravelly voiced and serious but also sarcastic. Just short of cheesy.

[Manic]

Wasn't Batman in the 70s still light toned? Batman 1960s show was light toned. Same as TBATB.
The 70s were light in tone, but the 60s were flat-out ridiculous.

[Fresh Prince]

The 70s were light in tone, but the 60s were flat-out ridiculous.

I know but still 70s alot of fans do not like cause it was light toned. I know this cause they said Miller in the 80s made Batman dark again and saved the character. Personally i like Batman both light and dark. More light then dark cause i wanna see him happy and you know enjyoing life not grumpy and hating life.

[Manic]

Yeah, there's a sizable group of fans who pretend Batman from the 1950s-70s never happened. Those are usually the same people who hate every Robin, prefer the utility belt have nothing more than a grappling gun, and pound their heads on walls every time they see Batman artwork where he's wearing any shade of blue.

[Fresh Prince]

Yeah, there's a sizable group of fans who pretend Batman from the 1950s-70s never happened. Those are usually the same people who hate every Robin, prefer the utility belt have nothing more than a grappling gun, and pound their heads on walls every time they see Batman artwork where he's wearing any shade of blue.

Same people who hate Batman & Robin or the Schumaker films in general. I thought Schumaker films were decent. Batman Forever and Batman & Robin were decent. People do not realize it was based off the 50s and 60s comics. So it was gonna be light tone. Characters were loony in them times. But the blue and grey suit was my favorite suite and i think the best suite other then the grey and black.

Also we had Batman films based off the 40s, 80s, 50s and 60s. Nolans/Burtons films based off the 40s/80s you can add in 90s and 2000s Batman too in their. Schumaker films based off 50s and 60s. So i want a Batman flim based off the 70s. 70s Batman comics had one of the best stories in Batman comics history.

P.S. you think the blue and grey suit would work in a movie? Also the traditional grey and black? Also what if they did a Batman film based off the 70s think it be good or bad?

[TruerToTheCore]

Batman in the 70s was not "light", he was just a more likeable character and the story lacked graphic violence. But he was not like he is in TBATB, more like TAS.

It was better that way. :wow:

[Fresh Prince]

Batman in the 70s was not "light", he was just a more likeable character and the story lacked graphic violence. But he was not like he is in TBATB, more like TAS.

It was better that way. :wow:

TAS was dark and gritty. 70s Batman was not like that. So it was light. Not TBATB light but Batman Forever light.

[Two-Face=Badass]

TAS was dark and gritty. 70s Batman was not like that. So it was light. Not TBATB light but Batman Forever light.
You clearly have not read 70's stories by Dennis O'Neill or Steven Englehart. Batman was perfect in the 70's, not stupidly dark and overly angsty like modern comics, but a brilliant mix of adventure and superheroics. Just like TAS, which was not gritty. Dark yes, but not gritty. Heck, a lot of BTAS episodes were BASED off of 70's stories, so that argument falls flat.

[Fresh Prince]

You clearly have not read 70's stories by Dennis O'Neill or Steven Englehart. Batman was perfect in the 70's, not stupidly dark and overly angsty like modern comics, but a brilliant mix of adventure and superheroics. Just like TAS, which was not gritty. Dark yes, but not gritty. Heck, a lot of BTAS episodes were BASED off of 70's stories, so that argument falls flat.

He people told me that 70s Batman was light alot of them. And they read more comics then i do so ibeleived them.

Also in a way TAS was gritty.

And agreed the modern Batman comics do suck. But since you knowm ore about 70s Batman then i do tell me some stories.

[JAK®]

I've read a few 70's Batman comics. It pretty much matches the tone of TAS exactly.

[Fresh Prince]

I've read a few 70's Batman comics. It pretty much matches the tone of TAS exactly.

Okay cool never knew that. What about the movies any of them follow the 70s style? Also what kind of batman comic books came out during that time? Like whichs ones should i read?

[JAK®]

Okay cool never knew that. What about the movies any of them follow the 70s style? Also what kind of batman comic books came out during that time? Like whichs ones should i read?
It was the Jim Aparo/Neal Adams comics that define 70's Batman.

As for the movies, I'd say that the more serious parts of Batman Forever came closest to 70's Batman.

[Cain]

Okay cool never knew that. What about the movies any of them follow the 70s style? Also what kind of batman comic books came out during that time? Like whichs ones should i read?

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[Fresh Prince]

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Whats that about?

[Fresh Prince]

It was the Jim Aparo/Neal Adams comics that define 70's Batman.

As for the movies, I'd say that the more serious parts of Batman Forever came closest to 70's Batman.

What about Burtons and Nolans movies?

[TruerToTheCore]

Whats that about?

about a bald man, a girl with a porn star name, fish and a living flashlight :word:

[Cain]

about a bald man, a girl with a porn star name, laughing fish* and a living flashlight :word:

*fixed

oh and yeah both the Burton movies and the Nolan movies have borrowed elements from this era of the comics specifically BATMAN and The Dark Knight as well as BB. Burton's because there are many elements because Steve Englehart wrote a Batman script Burton's movie carried elements over from.

read here

http://www.steveenglehart.com/Film/Batman%20movie.html

and Nolan borrowed things like Ra's Al Ghul and his league, a traveling Batman, the penthouse with a batcave under the building etc. from the 70's comics.

[Fresh Prince]

about a bald man, a girl with a porn star name, fish and a living flashlight :word:

:hehe: Okay.

[Fresh Prince]

*fixed

oh and yeah both the Burton movies and the Nolan movies have borrowed elements from this era of the comics specifically BATMAN and The Dark Knight as well as BB. Burton's because there are many elements because Steve Englehart wrote a Batman script Burton's movie carried elements over from.

read here

http://www.steveenglehart.com/Film/Batman%20movie.html

and Nolan borrowed things like Ra's Al Ghul and his league, a traveling Batman, the penthouse with a batcave under the building etc. from the 70's comics.

Cool.

[Fresh Prince]

*fixed

oh and yeah both the Burton movies and the Nolan movies have borrowed elements from this era of the comics specifically BATMAN and The Dark Knight as well as BB. Burton's because there are many elements because Steve Englehart wrote a Batman script Burton's movie carried elements over from.

read here

http://www.steveenglehart.com/Film/Batman%20movie.html

and Nolan borrowed things like Ra's Al Ghul and his league, a traveling Batman, the penthouse with a batcave under the building etc. from the 70's comics.


Laughing fish. Joker i can tell. Living flash light?

[Cain]

Laughing fish. Joker i can tell. Living flash light?

DR. PHOSPHORUS!!!
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[TruerToTheCore]

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[Fresh Prince]

Cool pics. 70s Batman comics really are the best.

[SHADOWBAT69]

cool pics. 70s batman comics really are the best.

qft

[Fresh Prince]

qft

What does that mean?

[Manic]

QTF = Quoted For Truth = I'm quoting this post because I agree with what you said

[Fresh Prince]

Okay cool. We need more 70s stories in Batman films.

[General_Obol]

It's pretty atrocious. But to it's credit, it does use a large amount of obscure characters with an astonishing understanding of the character. It seems like Batman himself is actually the show's worst character. For example, I was flipping through the channels and passed the show. It had the original Red Hood tied to a chair and his hood removed. You couldn't see his face, just the silhouette of his head. And the silhouette was identical to the DCAU Joker. Practically crapped my pants when I saw that

[Cain]

How is it atrocious and how is Batman the worst character? I'm just curious.

[Drz]

Batman just allows himself to get trapped so the other heroes can shine! :rolleyes: Honestly tho the Joker you saw was actually B:tBatB's version of Jokester but here he was Red Hood. This show's Joker is based off Dick Sprang's design, i mean just look at this picture here. (http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/thumb/5/50/Dick_Sprang_Remembers.png/500px-Dick_Sprang_Remembers.png) And check our thread for episode 12/13 :P

[Fresh Prince]

Lol Two-Face burnt face green. That should of been in Batman Forever movie just joking.

[General_Obol]

How is it atrocious and how is Batman the worst character? I'm just curious.
Consider every step the Batman character has taken from his inception to the Dark Knight. The step from the Dark Knight to Brave and the Bold is like 30 steps backwards. It would have passed back in the 60's, but not now. The Batman in this show is ridiculously cheesy. He even has a broken speech pattern like William Shatner. I can't express how bad it is.

[Cain]

Consider every step the Batman character has taken from his inception to the Dark Knight. The step from the Dark Knight to Brave and the Bold is like 30 steps backwards.

How so?

a cartoon watched by millions of fans can't compare to a movie watched by billions of people including many non fans. Most people that watched TDK don't even know this show exists. Most die hard Batman fans I come across on the street love the show same thing with the fans on every single site I've been on and more importantly it gives something Batman related the kids could also share with us as TDK is "too dark & mature" or "boring" for certain children. Which is nice since many of us are uncles and aunts or even parents already.

It would have passed back in the 60's, but not now. The Batman in this show is ridiculously cheesy. He even has a broken speech pattern like William Shatner. I can't express how bad it is.

The Batman in this show is no different than his comic book counterpart at all, at least the one who wasn't BatJerk anyway. Also I rather hear a Batman speaking in a broken speech pattern than a Batman garbling the words "WHERE ARE THE DRUGS!" like he had a sack of marbles in his mouth.

[Fresh Prince]

How so?

a cartoon watched by millions of fans can't compare to a movie watched by billions of people including many non fans. Most people that watched TDK don't even know this show exists. Most die hard Batman fans I come across on the street love the show same thing with the fans on every single site I've been on and more importantly it gives something Batman related the kids could also share with us as TDK is "too dark & mature" or "boring" for certain children. Which is nice since many of us are uncles and aunts or even parents already.



The Batman in this show is no different than his comic book counterpart at all, at least the one who wasn't BatJerk anyway. Also I rather hear a Batman speaking in a broken speech pattern than a Batman garbling the words "WHERE ARE THE DRUGS!" like he had a sack of marbles in his mouth.:hehe:

Interrogation scene with Joker. ''Were are they! Grrrrrr! Were are they!''.

[Fresh Prince]

Also i like light toned Batman better then dark toned Batman. Its cool Batman in the light tone stage acts sort of like Superman. Does things for humanity safety not to get payback at thugs for his parents death. Also light toned Batman enjoys life more he more adventureous and stuff like that. Dark toned always in Gotham City.

Also light toned Batman Gotham City is sort of light. Still alot of crimes be going on but not totally dark like dark tone Batman Gotham is. I just like stuff liek that makes Batman job as protector of Gotham even greater. Thats why i liked TDK Gotham it was light showed Batman actually cleaned out crime.

[dilby]

OK, I'm probably a lot older then many of you posting here... but, I grew up as the greatest Batman fan ever. I watched the old sixties show with my brothers when I was 4. I collected the comics from the 70's and on. I bought the Hardcover Edition of "Batman from the 30's to the 70's" along with the Superman Edition in 1979. I loved the original return to darkness in the 80's. I lined up to see Tim Burton's vision of Batman in 1989. I love what has happened to Batman in Nolan's hands. Batman the Animated Series is genuis. "The Batman" series was Ok, but I didn't like the design so much, it seems like they were trying to create something new, yet there was so much to draw from. I must say that "Batman: the Brave and the Bold" has exceeded my expectations unbelievably! It mixes old school comic book fun with character development, flair, and humor. Batman is the baddest man on the planet, and he holds up whether in space, underwater, or stopping a petty criminal. The series is a Blast and my older geek friends and I look forward to every episode. Oh and by the way, we wait for the next episode of the "Dark Batman" from Nolan and company, along with another season of the Brave and the Bold. Cheers, Dilby

[Drz]

Glad to hear another old schooler (tho you indeed might be one of the older folks here =p) is enjoyning the awesomeness! Welcome to the hype! :)

[CFE]

I like the approach and the aesthetic of "Brave & Bold" but there's one thing I'm not that fond of.

In the years pre-BTAS, a lot of action shows and what have you (including those based on super heroes) were based either on the hero merely defeating the villain just on the grounds of superior physicality (i.e. just beat them up real good) or on the villain giving overtly juvenile clues and hints to their crimes (1977's "The New Adventures of Batman" is a good example of this).

With "Batman: The Animated Series" (really the original 80+ episodes for FOX) I just LOVE the fact that Timm and Radomski were incredibly adamant about making the show as cinematic and, yes, mature as possible.

Some people have said that BTAS wasn't as mature as it would seem...but that's not true.

Case in point, look at the episode "See no Evil"...an episode that not only DIDN'T feature a prominent Batman rogue ("The Batman" could've learned something from that), but revolved around an ex-con using an invisible plastic to kidnap his daughter from his ex-wife...I mean look at that...a cartoon character with an ex-wife!

Look at "Vendetta" in which Batman actually takes the time to silently bust into the Gotham Police Department records to help in his investigation of Bullock, and whether or not he may or may not be the culprit in an attempted bombing and abduction...Instead of throwing punches and one liners, Batman's trudging through a dank records room pulling files!

And in the animated movie "Sub Zero" ... How many animated characters, like Gregory Belson, have their own stockbroker!

My point is that that show paid sooo much attention to detail, to thematic and dramactic storytelling...all in an attempt to ground it and make it as real to life as possible.

Now look at "The Batman" or "Brave and the Bold"...in which, despite the fact that both shows were birthed out of the initial success of BTAS, the hero is once again a combination of a one note crimefighter solving his problems with an endless array of fists...or the problems are solved by clues that are juvenile and childish.

It's like pre-TAS action-based cartoons were in a slump...then TAS raised the bar and showed what could be done...and everything afterwards didn't measure up.

Despite this one flaw, I as a fan still enjoy "The Batman" and "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" for what they are.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

^^^
Actually, The Batman had a similar villain from "See No Evil" in an episode called "Seconds". The guy wasn't a traditional costumed villain, was an ex-con, and had a broken family, like the invisible guy. The episode did have a happier ending, but it was still good.

[Two-Face=Badass]

With "Batman: The Animated Series" (really the original 80+ episodes for FOX) I just LOVE the fact that Timm and Radomski were incredibly adamant about making the show as cinematic and, yes, mature as possible.

Some people have said that BTAS wasn't as mature as it would seem...but that's not true.

Case in point, look at the episode "See no Evil"...an episode that not only DIDN'T feature a prominent Batman rogue ("The Batman" could've learned something from that), but revolved around an ex-con using an invisible plastic to kidnap his daughter from his ex-wife...I mean look at that...a cartoon character with an ex-wife!

Look at "Vendetta" in which Batman actually takes the time to silently bust into the Gotham Police Department records to help in his investigation of Bullock, and whether or not he may or may not be the culprit in an attempted bombing and abduction...Instead of throwing punches and one liners, Batman's trudging through a dank records room pulling files!

And in the animated movie "Sub Zero" ... How many animated characters, like Gregory Belson, have their own stockbroker!

My point is that that show paid sooo much attention to detail, to thematic and dramactic storytelling...all in an attempt to ground it and make it as real to life as possible.

Now look at "The Batman" or "Brave and the Bold"...in which, despite the fact that both shows were birthed out of the initial success of BTAS, the hero is once again a combination of a one note crimefighter solving his problems with an endless array of fists...or the problems are solved by clues that are juvenile and childish.

It's like pre-TAS action-based cartoons were in a slump...then TAS raised the bar and showed what could be done...and everything afterwards didn't measure up.

Despite this one flaw, I as a fan still enjoy "The Batman" and "Batman: The Brave and the Bold" for what they are.
Sorry, but a lot of your particular gripes with Batman: The Brave and the Bold are totally inapplicable. Batman TAS may have been very mature with the way it was made, but you cannot state as if fact that it IS as mature as it seems, because it is a matter of opinion. In my opinion it isn't as much as it seems (and this is discoutning the rabid fans that think every episode deserves 5 stars and that BTAS explored themes better than every other cartoon) sometimes, because amidst deep episodes like Two Face or Appointment in Crime Alley there'd be a Dreams in Darkness occasionally, an episode praised simply because it has a nightmarish parent death sequence, discounting that the rest of the episode really isn't deep at all, even corn ball, and is really quite iffy.

As for The Batman not having original villains, I think you need to watch it again. The guy from Seconds, Gearhead, Rumor, Tony Zucco, Everywhere Man, Spell Binder and I'm sure I'm missing another. This is not really applicable to Batman: The Brave and the Bold either, since the concept is a teamup show, so two superheroes going after a divorced guy doesn't really work. The show still has invented villains though such as Fun Haus, Slug, Jarvis Kord (my second favourite), Baby Face, K'rull and Equinox (my favourite)

And again, Batman going through police documents is not really applicable to Brave and the Bold either, since this show captures the Silver Age style, this Batman wouldn't do that. Yet if your looking for details just look at all the references and comic details that are so abundant it'd take me a couple of pages worth just to write what I remember.

And again again, criticising Brave and the Bold for not being grounded and real-to-life as possible is a flawed argument, since it isn't about a grounded Batman but one that exists alongside other heroes in the wide DC universe. It'd be like criticising Lord of the Rings for being too fantastic.

I must admit you pegged down one flaw in Brave and the Bold; that the problems are often just solved through fighting, even though a fair share of BTAS eps did this too. Still, some eps have still used better methods of defeating the villain, like Rise of the Blue Beetle in which Jaime uses Kanjar Ro's own weapon against him, Deep Cover for Batman's code communication with Red Hood to release the heroes, Game Over for Owlman's use of the Phase Oscillator (not random technology because it was part of the plot), Batman's use of psychology to sway Batmite in Legend of the Dark Mite and of course the very BTAS way he defeats Equinox...which I won't spoil.

And I never got this saying "I as a fan still enjoy *insert here* for what they are." What do you imply by this?
^^^
Actually, The Batman had a similar villain from "See No Evil" in an episode called "Seconds". The guy wasn't a traditional costumed villain, was an ex-con, and had a broken family, like the invisible guy. The episode did have a happier ending, but it was still good.
That was a better episode than See No Evil too, because the family sub plot was key at the end while See No Evil just didn't do anything with it at the end.

[Manic]

As for The Batman not having original villains, I think you need to watch it again. The guy from Seconds, Gearhead, Rumor, Tony Zucco, Everywhere Man, Spell Binder and I'm sure I'm missing another.
Tony Zucco? Isn't that the dude who killed Dick's parents? Dick's own personal Joe Chill, if you will.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Tony Zucco? Isn't that the dude who killed Dick's parents? Dick's own personal Joe Chill, if you will.

Yeah, in the 2 part "Robins Reckoning" from TAS. Also, Gearhead and Spellbinder arent really original, they are comic characters, and Spellbinder was used in Batman Beyond first.

[Orb]

Seconds, Everywhereman and Rumor are the only villains The Batman made up.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Don't forget Temblor, Cosmo Krank, and D.A.V.E. (who deserves the "kryptonite treatment" by now). Those were also made up for the series.

Also, Jarvis Kord was not made up. He's actually a very obscure, comics villain. His role in the comics was, more or less, the same as in the series.

[Orb]

Forgot about D.A.V.E. He was great.

[NefCanuck]

I'm also an "older" Batfan, who gravitated more towards the animated product simply because I don't like a Batman that's scarier than the villians he faces.

Not to say that all the animated product was good. The New Adventures of Batman and Robin was so cheaply and poorly executed when it was done that watching it again now I can only shake my head and wonder why I waited patiently every Saturday morning to watch it on CBS when it first appeared.

Batman: The Animated Series had what I thought was for me the perfect mixture of dark and light, never taking the Batman character too far down the darker paths that the comic books had travelled by then, but still willing to tackle subjects and stories that were very serious in nature.

The Batman: I honestly tried to like the show but between the characters designs, inspid dialogue and voice casting that left me cold, I fled the series like it was on fire and retreated to B:TAS

Then I stumbled onto Batman: The Brave and the Bold and after one episode I was hooked. Sure there are episodes that I don't like, but the look & feel of the show enthrall me in a way that reminds me of the live action series (which I also love and will buy whenever the rights issues get settled out, heck I bought the 1966 movie three seperate times, VHS/DVD/BluRay)

B:tBatB also is willing to take risks.... "The Menace of the Music Meister" for example could have turned out very badly, but the inspired casting and lyrics to the songs made my jaw drop, in a good way...

Just my two cents...

NefCanuck

[pixeltastic]

i'm really questioning whether or not i should give this a chance. BTAS is probably my favorite cartoon ever, and i KNOW it's nothing like it, so....

[Manic]

If you're one of those people who takes Batman too seriously and sees him as a purely humorless character in a noir world of organized crime and murderers, then don't watch this show. This is a swashbuckling Batman who teams up with a new hero in every episode for a fun adventure.

You're right that it's nothing like BTAS, but on the plus side it's nowhere near as goofy and dumbed down as Krypto: The Superdog.

[3dman27]

thats ONE advanatge right there

[Casius--J]

i'm really questioning whether or not i should give this a chance. BTAS is probably my favorite cartoon ever, and i KNOW it's nothing like it, so....

Give it a go, I HATED the idea of this show so didnt give it the time of day. Usually I will check out any superhero cartoon but I had no desire to watch this.

But its been airing on Spanish tv in the afternoons here when there isnt anything else on so I caught it. And I must say...Its a FANTASTIC series.

No the tone of it isnt as dark as BTAS but Bats is pretty much a serious guy in it. The animation is nice, the action is cool and the some of the art work they use where they freeze frame a punch gives a very nostalgic feel which I love. Also some of the humor is a bit more mature than I was expecting i.e sexual tension between the male and female characters :cwink:

All in all this is now one of my favourite cartoons in a while!

[Manic]

Batman's incredibly serious demeanor contrasted with the pure wackiness of the DCU has me in stitches on this show. I caught the episode where Batman and Black Canary fight Music Meister recently. It's a musical episode where everyone is singing catchy numbers except Batman. I nearly died when Canary finished a song and Batman just looked at her and said "Was the singing really necessary?"

[El Payaso]

I nearly died when Canary finished a song and Batman just looked at her and said "Was the singing really necessary?"

HA! Every musical movie needs a character doing that after every single song.

[mothy]

i have a soft spot for this show and find it consistently enjoyable. i think it accomplishes its goals quite well. it has its own identity and is comfortable in its own skin. i also like that it has very rich homages to batman's history across all mediums.

sure, it's a lighter take - but it's no less valid. it's still true and respectful to the character's roots. and just because it may not be your ideal version of the character, that doesn't make it a bad show. everything batman doesn't have to be in your face gritty, that's part of the appeal the character has. children need an entry point into the world of batman as well.

[Fresh Prince]

Hey at times the lighter take is better then the darker take.

[Drz]

Hey at times the lighter take is better then the darker take.

Indeed. BTAS had the perfect mix of the darker formula. Let other aspects of Batman come to light. :)

[kguillou]

I watched a couple of episodes of this and as someone who's a big fan of the dark and gritty batman, i gotta say this isnt bad. I'm not completely won over yet, but the show is interesting to say the least. My only complaint is the total exclusion of robin, i think he would've been an awesome addition to this show since they're paying homage to the "Adam West" era batman.

[Fresh Prince]

Indeed. BTAS had the perfect mix of the darker formula. Let other aspects of Batman come to light. :)

Agreed....one day we will get a series of light toned Batman movies.

[Manic]

I watched a couple of episodes of this and as someone who's a big fan of the dark and gritty batman, i gotta say this isnt bad. I'm not completely won over yet, but the show is interesting to say the least. My only complaint is the total exclusion of robin, i think he would've been an awesome addition to this show since they're paying homage to the "Adam West" era batman.
Robin appeared in one episode. He was some sort of pre-Nightwing borderline version of Robin. He was an adult, resented Batman a little for treating him like he couldn't take care of himself, and was no longer Batman's partner.

[kguillou]

Aw bummer, so much for my dreams.

[Cain]

Is it good? nah not good.......it's great! :woot:

[Fresh Prince]

I agree Cain.

[tekken]

it's a step up from The Batman. characterizations of the heroes and villains ROCK!!
aquaman is so cool for the first time. hahaha. well he was cool in JLU, but this aquaman is corny AND cool. i didnt even know that was possible. it's OUTRAGEOUS!

[Drz]

Truly truly truly Outrageous! :D