The 2008 Presidential Inauguration

[Paradoxium]

A lot of this market reaction has a bit to do with his inevitably "stimulus" plan. His plan which is not theoretically unsound (let's bury this one for a moment) but impractical for it will never bypass red tape in time to make a difference.

He should be cutting the burden of the government and opening up the doors for entreprenuers to aid America into some kind of recovery.

Everything he has done, everything he has said seems to be the contrary. He has not even hired one single adviser who is an entrepreneur (who would help reduce redtape). The guy he has picked Geither was a derivatives cheer leader (giant contributor to the crisis), who also can't even handle his own god damn taxes let alone manage the tax code.

[redfirebird2008]

We should care. Its not his fault per say, but it does show a disturbing trend that many economists anticipated. Wall Street is terrified of this man. The economy will continue to collapse so long as that continues.



Wayne makes Logan look like FDR.

Wall Street should be terrified of themselves. They're the ones who screwed up in the first place.

[Marx]

We shall see.

Anyhow, I seriously hope he does not get out and walk. There are way too many people there for that.

It is being reported that he will 'very likely' get out and walk. I sincerely hope that he doesn't though...

[X Knight]

in regards to the Dow dropping, it's actually a statistical trend for the market to drop on inauguration day.

heard on CNBC this morning that the market has dropped like 9 out of the last 14 inauguration days.

Actually, I think the markets are probably more concerned with whether or not Obama's pick for Treasury Sec, Tim Geithner, gets confirmed tomorrow ( with this whole unpaid tax issue looming over him ).

Indeed, I remember when Obama first announced Geithner as his pick for Treasury, the market shot up like 400-500 points that day and that kind of turned the mood around on wall street......

that being said.....I thought it was a very historic and inspiring Inauguration.....and I'm a Republican who voted for McCain!

Obama is now my President and I wish him all the best! :)

[Malice]

A couple comments on the results on the inauguration is not negative or not off topic, they are directly on topic.

Just ignore it if you don't like it. This markets reaction is no different than the crowds reaction in front of him, and my reaction watching on my computer.

I was not hijacking the thread, just making a real comment of what is occurring as a result of it...my apologies for confusing the issue here.

[Paradoxium]

I don't see the problem about discussing the market's confidence and reaction to the inauguration, in the inauguration thread. This is no different than someone's reaction to the inauguration. If we are not allowed, by this virtue, all of us should not talk about our reactions to this event because it means very little.

[p4poetic]

Yay president obama!

[Anita18]

What a great picture! The Bidens and the Obamas standing on the steps of the capital waving goodbye to George and Laura Bush.
That little salute Biden gave was cute.

"We will not apologize for our way of life, nor will we waver in its defense, and for those who seek to advance their aims by inducing terror and slaughtering innocents, we say to you now that our spirit is stronger and cannot be broken; you cannot outlast us, and we will defeat you."
Damn that guy gives such poetic speeches. :up:

I wont lie, I was crying like a baby through the whole ceremony. It's amazing how far we've come in just 40 years. If only Martin Luther King could have lived to see his dream realized.
Here here. :csad:

BREAKING NEWS!

UPDATED!

SENATOR KENNEDY COLLAPSED DUE TO A SEIZURE THAT LAST 'SEVERAL MINUTES'.

SENATOR BYRD WAS ALSO REMOVED FROM THE LUNCHEON AFTER BEING OVERCOME WITH EMOTION BY WHAT HAPPENED TO SENATOR KENNEDY.

:csad:
ACK! Hopefully he's okay. I turned off the TV after the luncheon to go to work.

We should care. Its not his fault per say, but it does show a disturbing trend that many economists anticipated. Wall Street is terrified of this man. The economy will continue to collapse so long as that continues.
So? Is it his fault that Wall St is terrified of him? The American people voted him into office - I think Wall St should suck it up and get used to it.

[Marx]

A couple comments on the results on the inauguration is not negative or not off topic, they are directly on topic.

Just ignore it if you don't like it. This markets reaction is no different than the crowds reaction in front of him, and my reaction watching on my computer.

I was not hijacking the thread, just making a real comment of what is occurring as a result of it...my apologies for confusing the issue here.

I don't see the problem about discussing the market's confidence and reaction to the inauguration, in the inauguration thread. This is no different than someone's reaction to the inauguration. If we are not allowed, by this virtue, all of us should not talk about our reactions to this event because it means very little.

All I am saying is that you two are the only ones interested in it. While the rest of us are taking in the experience, you are only posting about Wall Street diving on inauguration day like it is somehow Obama's fault and somehow abnormal. It is not Obama's fault. It is not abnormal. If you want to continue screaming 'the sky is falling'...then I guess you are more than welcome to.

[Paradoxium]

I've been calling this plunge for a good long while. I said if you have the chance, to get out of the fool's rally asap. If anyone got out of and covered their loses that was the perfect time.

At this point, all Obama has to do to seal his fate is sign the stimulus plan and officially take on Geithner.

When it hits wave 5 of the elliot wave - people better "get used to it"

[Addendum]

And like Super-Bats said, the dow dropping on an inauguration is nothing new

[X Knight]

I've been calling this plunge for a good long while. I said if you have the chance, to get out of the fool's rally asap. If anyone got out of and covered their loses that was the perfect time.

At this point, all Obama has to do to seal his fate is sign the stimulus plan and officially take on Geithner.

When it hits wave 5 of the elliot wave - people better "get used to it"

you know Elliott Wave??!!

Paradoxium, are you a trader, too?? :woot:

[Paradoxium]

Since some of you guys don't want to hear about market reactions. I will try to do something different and quote out excerpts.

Coercion: Why We Listen to What "They" say.

Like so many other venues for mass communication, today's sports spectacles are desperately looking for new ways to appeal...A well-designed spectacle has the power to unify tens of thousands of different people into a single, cheering mass. However the energy of the mob may have been directed in the past--toward particular political, religious, or cultural ideologies--today an afternoon at the Meadowlands has been fine-tuned to elicit our allegiance to the corporations sponsoring the game.

When we are part of a crowd, we are free to experience heightened levels of emotion that just aren't possible for smaller groups. Relieved of our responsibility to make considered judgments, we can allow ourselves to be swept away by the enthusiasm of the greater body. Whatever the crowd has in common--yet may not be free to express in daily life--is amplified by the intensity of the spectacle and the protection that the anonymity of the mob affords...

Throughout history, nations and their leaders have used this sense of mass complicity and celebration to unite their constituencies, especially against foreign threats.

we are brought into unfamiliar emotional territory. We feel alive as never before, and strangely honest--as if in our daily lives we have been living a lie. We may shed tears of joy or sadness, but underlying these tears is a sense of rage at not having been allowed to express these feelings all along, which magnifies the rage even more...Because spectacle is capable of inspiring dormant rage, it is a powerful medium for delivering rhetoric, even in the service of racist ideologies...Adolf Hitler and his propaganda chief Paul Joseph Goebbels were masters of the political pageant.

Hitler chose to conduct his annual rallies ata Zeppelin field...But by 1934, as he began to gear up his supporters for global conquest, he enlisted the genius of architect Albert Speer to build a correspondingly more inspirational stage set.

For emotional, religious, and even poiltical effect, Speer commandeered 130 antiaircraft searchlights and spaced them at 40-foot intervals around a giant field...The immense rays of light rose more than 20,000 feet before diffusing into the heavens...

Speer's intentions were to overwhelm rationality with grandeur and to mask naked rhetoric with emotion. His theatrics worked so well that the architect found himself drawn into the spell. He reported in his autobiography that he remembered attending the rallies and admiring Hitler's speeches. But on rereading them years later, Speer claims he had no idea what it was that he had admired: "I found it incomprehensible that these tirades should once have impressed me so profoundly. What had done it?"

Think of any great spectacle as having three main acts. First, unify the crowd; second, stoke their passion; and third, speak as God or Nature...

The Nuremberg rallies began with unifying rituals before Hitler ever took the stage. Men representing various local and competing groups entered separately holding flags, then marched together with Rockette-like precision into huge revolving swastikas...It's the same technique used today in the videos that precede every NBA basketball game...


Hitler began with the simplest of commonalities: They all were men. He told them how "the man's world is the State" and the "woman's world is her husband, her family, her children, and her house."
While individual tales often are told during spectacle gatherings, the speaker always raises his rhetoric to more totemic and universal themes near the climax. As he does so, he becomes a lightning rod for the entire group's righteous indignation...In Leni Riefenstahl's 1935 documentary about the Nuremberg rallies, Triumph of the Will, Hitler walks a tremendous gauntlet, apparently mourning the deaths of some soldiers in coffins...Then Riefenstahl cuts to where Hitler is looking--not at the wreath or the funeral pyre at all, but at the giant stone swastika above it. An attack against a symobl is more spectacular than one against human beings. It is universal.

At precisely the moment that the crowd makes the leap from personal to universal rage, the speaker can embark on his third and most difficult task: presenting himself as the voice of God...Hitler used religious phraseology to cast himself in a messianic role: "How could we not feel once again at this hour the miracle that brought us together!...Not everyone of you sees me, and I do not see every one of you. But I feel you, and you feel me!...It is a wonderful thing to be your Fuhrer."

At the end of nearly every inspirational rally, the audience is entreated to take a collective oath. In the midst of a crowd of thousands of brethren, we are to pledge our support. Unfortunately, we are not in a position to rationally consider what we are doing. Hitler went so far as to threaten his followers with punishment for noncompliance...

I don't mean to imply that every spectacle is necessarily coercive in its intent or its effect. But spectacles do function to suspend rational processes in favor of emotional ones. The intellect is neutralized, along with its ability to protect us from hateful or illogical rhetoric. We are made vulnerable. Maybe our only choice is to understand the intentions of a spectacle's organizers before we attend.

...spectacle can offer us rare access to the subconscious as well as the mythic sides of our individual and collective experience. But it grants this same access to whoever might be hoping to engineer our sentiments toward his own ends. Revel at your own risk.

[Addendum]

Paradoxium, you forgot about Godwin's Law

[redfirebird2008]

They're walking...crosses fingers.

[Franklin Richards]

Screw Wall Street. We're on Pennsylvania Ave. right now.

:cmad:



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[Paradoxium]

That was taken from a book written in 1999, the Hitler example has nothing to do with Obama, the whole point is about spectacles in general. The last quote clarifies this whole point.

[MiniBond]

http://www.lepoint.fr/content/system/media/31570_une-serment-obama.jpg

best picture of the inauguration....right where they messed up the oath :woot::woot:

[BlackLantern]

if aliens want to abduct them, now's a good time.....

[danoyse]

Yet I don't see any need to compare what happened today to a Nazi rally. :huh:

[redfirebird2008]

Gosh, their arms are probably getting pretty tired from all that waving. LOL.

[X Knight]

now.....some people are saying because Obama flubbed his oath that he's not officially president......aye.......:whatever:

[Marx]

They got back in the car!

*breathes sigh of relief*

[Darthphere]

Yet I don't see any need to compare what happened today to a Nazi rally. :huh:

I don't see the need for any of Paradoxium's post in this thread today. But since he's backed by an Admin who share's his views, the irrelevant nature of their posts will continue. It's like they can't allow for some to take in the moment. Even Matt is being fairly respectful today, even with his and mine Terminator references.

[Marx]

now.....some people are saying because Obama flubbed his oath that he's not officially president......aye.......:whatever:

According to the (20th Amendment) of the Constitution he became president at noon regardless of if he had taken the oath or not.

[danoyse]

now.....some people are saying because Obama flubbed his oath that he's not officially president......aye.......:whatever:

That's going around on another board I read. They actually deleted the thread. Reason? Stupidity.

[redfirebird2008]

now.....some people are saying because Obama flubbed his oath that he's not officially president......aye.......:whatever:

He officially became President at 12 PM regardless of the oath. The oath is symbolic. He became President around 5 minutes before he took the oath because they were behind schedule with the ceremony.

[Franklin Richards]

But he wasn't born on American soil...


:D



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[BlackLantern]

Paradoxiums point is about herd mentality and how things like spectacle and celebrity status of a person will allow them to do things (both positive and negative) with little accountability....

[Marx]

Paradoxiums point is about herd mentality and how things like spectacle and celebrity status of a person will allow them to do things (both positive and negative) with little accountability....

Considering that a market flucuation occurs with EVERY change in office, no, he doesn't have a point.

But I digress, let them continue to scream 'the sky is falling'.

[redfirebird2008]

Paradoxiums point is about herd mentality and how things like spectacle and celebrity status of a person will allow them to do things (both positive and negative) with little accountability....

Which is why we have legislative and judicial branches to balance it out.

[X Knight]

yah....I guess it never occurred to these ppl that both Obama and Chief Justice Roberts ( this being the first inauguration ceremony for both ) would get NERVOUS and make some mistakes.

personally, I thought Chief Justice Roberts was going too fast and not giving Obama a chance to repeat the words.........

but...I'm not complaining......cuz if I were in either man's position.....I'd prob be scared sh******.......:o

[Holiday]

Gosh, their arms are probably getting pretty tired from all that waving. LOL.

His face probably hurts from him smiling so much too. :yay:

It was a thing great to see him get out and walk though.

[Darthphere]

Look, I don't care what you think about him and his policies. Today is a historic day in America and some of us just want to celebrate. We can hold off playing armchair quarterback for a day.

[Franklin Richards]

We all understand the Cult of Personality. It's a concept that's older than our nation. So what? What other obvious warnings should we hash out during this day of celebration?


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[danoyse]

Paradoxiums point is about herd mentality and how things like spectacle and celebrity status of a person will allow them to do things (both positive and negative) with little accountability....

But it's an ugly comparison, and unnecessary. There was no Nazi-ism in DC today.

[Paradoxium]

Yet I don't see any need to compare what happened today to a Nazi rally. :huh:The Nazi citation is an extreme example, but it's point is on spectacles, emotions overriding everything... that was the whole point. I should have just quoted the last part sighs

I mean the dude lectures us not to let political rhetoric blind us and goes on to say:
but this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control - and that a nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous.
and even discusses the possibility of a new Constitution!!!!!?!

[redfirebird2008]

yah....I guess it never occurred to these ppl that both Obama and Chief Justice Roberts ( this being the first inauguration ceremony for both ) would get NERVOUS and make some mistakes.

personally, I thought Chief Justice Roberts was going too fast and not giving Obama a chance to repeat the words.........

but...I'm not complaining......cuz if I were in either man's position.....I'd prob be scared sh******.......:o

I think it's a blessing in disguise. Showed that they're both human despite the power that they each wield. Also it provided a very photogenic moment for everyone. Everyone was laughing about it. Obama's sense of humor is kind of similar to Bush's. Both like to make fun of themselves.

[BlackLantern]

It's historic to a point, but to your average black person (waves hi) things haven't changed...there are still places in this country I am not welcome, hell there are even establishments here in CT I know I am not welcome at simply because of the color of my skin

[Franklin Richards]

I know places on the Southside of Chicago where I'm not welcome because of the color of my skin and the drawl of my accent. Quit whining.


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[Darthphere]

]It's historic to a point,[/B] but to your average black person (waves hi) things haven't changed...there are still places in this country I am not welcome, hell there are even establishments here in CT I know I am not welcome at simply because of the color of my skin

The first black president of the United States is more than just "historic to a point". Nobody has said that things have changed dramatically all of a sudden, not the point at all.

[Addendum]

No one is welcome in my apartment who doesn't have my DNA

[danoyse]

The Nazi citation is an extreme example, but it's point is on spectacles, emotions overriding everything... that was the whole point. I should have just quoted the last part sighs

And yet you see the same madness in Times Square on New Year's Eve, at championship parades, at open calls for American Idol, hell, I've seen a few screenings of TDK that bordered on scary. It doesn't have to be a direct correlation to Nazi Germany. Like I said before, just an ugly comparison.

[Marx]

He's getting out again!

*tenses up*

[Addendum]

It's a comparison that deserves nothing more than mockery and derision, no matter how much the utterer tries to defend it

[redfirebird2008]

Dammit they got out and started walking again. At least they aren't subjecting the children to a potential threat.

[danoyse]

Well, he's certainly giving the Secret Service a workout today....

[redfirebird2008]

Well, he's certainly giving the Secret Service a workout today....

He tends to do that quite often. God bless the SS. They are the best.

[MiniBond]

Well, he's certainly giving the Secret Service a workout today....

and I'd bet he'll continue to do so in the future......:cwink:

[Franklin Richards]

Treasury Agents baby! The guys who took down Al Capone in Chicago. Oh the irony. :D


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[Marx]

The Biden's are out too! :wow:

[redfirebird2008]

That door is incredible. They weren't kidding when they said it was like 8 inches thick. Damn.

[danoyse]

They've gone rogue!!! :wow:

[MiniBond]

http://cinememory.free.fr/photos/dans%20la%20l%20de%20m.bmp


Clint disagrees with all this :o:woot::woot:

[Holiday]

The SS looked badass hanging on the side of those SUV's that way.

[Marx]

They've gone rogue!!! :wow:

:lmao:

[redfirebird2008]

Alright, they're at the White House now. Sigh of relief. :)

[Franklin Richards]

You seen that SUV with the gatlin gun? Badass.


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[amazingfantasy15]

Dammit they got out and started walking again. At least they aren't subjecting the children to a potential threat.

Well, Obama can't live in constant fear of a potential threat or at least let it be shown he's fearful of a potential threat. Let the Secret Service do their job, I'm sure security was and is top priority today. I'd be willing to guess the Secret Service told Obama which areas he could get out because those areas the people watching and parade route was more heavily screened.

[Marx]

Alright, they're at the White House now. Sigh of relief. :)

Indeed. The media is saying that the Obama's walked a total of 15 minutes.

[redfirebird2008]

Indeed. The media is saying that the Obama's walked a total of 15 minutes.

That's around 15 minutes longer than I would have. :wow:

[Franklin Richards]

Here's what's backing the new limo up.


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[SonikDeath]

The SS looked badass hanging on the side of those SUV's that way.

Definitely. :D

[Marx]

That's around 15 minutes longer than I would have. :wow:

I agree. I don't think I would have had that kind of courage!

[Marx]

Did ABC News just show Jeremiah Wright coming into the reviewing box!?!?!

:wow:

[redfirebird2008]

They just showed Michelle's brother on CNN. He's the head coach of the Oregon State basketball team. Bet he can't wait till that new basketball court is installed at the White House so he can go hoop it up with his bro-in-law. :)

[Paradoxium]

And yet you see the same madness in Times Square on New Year's Eve, at championship parades, at open calls for American Idol, hell, I've seen a few screenings of TDK that bordered on scary. It doesn't have to be a direct correlation to Nazi Germany. Like I said before, just an ugly comparison.I admit it smacks of Goodwin's law and is hyperbolic. If that's how some people see this as a comparison to Nazism, and so be it, I am not projecting it that way.

The whole phenomenon of "uniting" everyone and breaking down boundaries on partisanship.... was done by a guy called Trudeau (born half french and english heritage). The parallel is eerie. At the end of the day, all he managed to do is sharpen the fracture of the English and French in Canada.

Watching people pin all their hopes on one guy and his administration to get things fixed is just painful. If anyone ever wanted change in the first place... it would have been done by the people themselves long ago well before Obama. Making new laws will never change people's attitudes. The government can't mold people into what they want no matter how hard they try. This whole 150 million thing is over the top and unnecessary considering the current conditions.

But hey I will stop being the party pooper now, and let things roll out.

[BlackLantern]

its funny...I was playing Fallout 3 earlier today, in which you can run around a destroyed washington dc and now Im seeing all these great shots of the DC landscape....

[SuBe]

its funny...I was playing Fallout 3 earlier today, in which you can run around a destroyed washington dc and now Im seeing all these great shots of the DC landscape....
Is the Secret Service knocking on your door right now?

[danoyse]

I admit it smacks of Goodwin's law and is hyperbolic. If that's how some people see this as a comparison to Nazism, and so be it, I am not projecting it that way.

The whole phenomenon of "uniting" everyone and breaking down boundaries on partisanship.... was done by a guy called Trudeau (born half french and english heritage). The parallel is eerie. At the end of the day, all he managed to do is sharpen the fracture of the English and French in Canada.

Watching people pin all their hopes on one guy and his administration to get things fixed is just painful. If anyone ever wanted change in the first place... it would have been done by the people themselves long ago well before Obama. Making new laws will never change people's attitudes. The government can't mold people into what they want no matter how hard they try. This whole 150 million thing is over the top and unnecessary considering the current conditions.

But hey I will stop being the party pooper now, and let things roll out.

And I also think that they've had precious little to rely on the last 8 years that it only makes their hopes this time so unrealistically high. Combine that with the historical significance of him being the first black President and what that represents, then yeah...we've got people going a little nuts right now.

We had an inauguration party at my office today. People wore Obama t-shirts and whooped it up when he got sworn in. When it was over, we went back to work...more than a few of us taking bets at how long this honeymoon is going to last. I'm sure we're not the only ones doing the same.

[Anita18]

Watching people pin all their hopes on one guy and his administration to get things fixed is just painful. If anyone ever wanted change in the first place... it would have been done by the people themselves long ago well before Obama. Making new laws will never change people's attitudes. The government can't mold people into what they want no matter how hard they try. This whole 150 million thing is over the top and unnecessary considering the current conditions.

But hey I will stop being the party pooper now, and let things roll out.
There's a reason why Obama's slogan was "Yes We Can" and not "Yes I Can." He can't help it if people are putting him up to be a messiah - he certainly hasn't promoted that in his speeches. He's promoted himself to be more of a guidance counselor than anything else.

In more amusing news, apparently Bush St in San Francisco has been vandalized to say Obama St all along its length. My sister didn't pass by it, but she reports:

"I watched the inauguration in the Civic Center Plaza with hundreds of my fellow San Franciscans, basking in the warm January sun (and mocking the freezing people in DC, like my boss). Fav part of the event - when Obama lists the religions in the US (Christians, Muslims, etc) and then gets to "nonbelievers" and the SF crowd erupts in cheering. We are a godless people."

:funny:

[Hobgoblin]

You seen that SUV with the gatlin gun? Badass.


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I heard on the radio that "The Beast" has tear gas cannons. :wow::wow::wow:

[p4poetic]

now.....some people are saying because Obama flubbed his oath that he's not officially president......aye.......:whatever:

It was actually the chief justice that made the mistake, hence the laughing. But you know they'll probably just go for the other route; it wasn't noon. I guess Clinton wasn't officially president either.

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Yet I don't see any need to compare what happened today to a Nazi rally.

Me either. Its like people who've never followed politics are outraged at things that happens every four years. And also, with that logic, Martin Luther King Jr. marches was a Nazi rally too, lol. People will try to find something to be mad and/or complain about.

[Franklin Richards]

I heard on the radio that "The Beast" has tear gas cannons. :wow::wow::wow:

Hmm. I wonder if that thing's got a stinger in the trunk? I had a Mitsubishi Nightsky back when I played Shadowrun in the 80's. :D



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[BlackLantern]

Is the Secret Service knocking on your door right now?

Came and went already....the body cavity search was surprisingly gentle...

[redfirebird2008]

I love the bands that are getting to perform. Did I just see Sasha covering her ears? LOL!

[BlackLantern]

Reports are coming out that Bush and his wife have left DC already....

[Paradoxium]

And I also think that they've had precious little to rely on the last 8 years that it only makes their hopes this time so unrealistically high. Combine that with the historical significance of him being the first black President and what that represents, then yeah...we've got people going a little nuts right now.

We had an inauguration party at my office today. People wore Obama t-shirts and whooped it up when he got sworn in. When it was over, we went back to work...more than a few of us taking bets at how long this honeymoon is going to last. I'm sure we're not the only ones doing the same.
I contend, if he actually succeeded in his term and overcame a chunk of the problems... then such celebrations would be more justified. **** if he could fix half of the economy, I would write a check to a charity on his behalf.

But blow this on a huge and expensive spectacle during times of a cash crunch... without much done... I think is a bad idea. This will only set everyone up for a bigger disappointment, bigger backlash and a bigger fracture.

[Marx]

Reports are coming out that Bush and his wife have left DC already....

They are supposely only an hour away from landing in Texas.

[Marx]

I love the bands that are getting to perform. Did I just see Sasha covering her ears? LOL!

They're lively! And it's nice to see the Obama's and Biden's dancing along to the music!

[redfirebird2008]

Reports are coming out that Bush and his wife have left DC already....

Yes, they are coming to Midland. I was offered a free ticket earlier today by my boss to go watch his speech but I declined.

[Franklin Richards]

76 Trombones? Maybe we shouldn't do anything from the Music Man.



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[Corey]

Congratulations, President Barrack Obama. I feel proud to be able to witness such a historic moment.

[Kelly]

They are supposely only an hour away from landing in Texas.


They've landed....

[Franklin Richards]

The I.Q. of the state just went down.



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[Paradoxium]

There's a reason why Obama's slogan was "Yes We Can" and not "Yes I Can." He can't help it if people are putting him up to be a messiah - he certainly hasn't promoted that in his speeches. He's promoted himself to be more of a guidance counselor than anything else.

In more amusing news, apparently Bush St in San Francisco has been vandalized to say Obama St all along its length. My sister didn't pass by it, but she reports:

"I watched the inauguration in the Civic Center Plaza with hundreds of my fellow San Franciscans, basking in the warm January sun (and mocking the freezing people in DC, like my boss). Fav part of the event - when Obama lists the religions in the US (Christians, Muslims, etc) and then gets to "nonbelievers" and the SF crowd erupts in cheering. We are a godless people."

:funny:HOhoho wait till they start crossing the finishing line :o

[Kelly]

I know some are upset with the cost.....but damn, I love all of this pomp and circumstance.........

[Hobgoblin]

They are supposely only an hour away from landing in Texas.

I got the impression that Bush was just as eager to be done as the rest of us were eager to see him go. There was something on the History channel last night about the history of the White House and he looked uncomfortable the whole time. He let Laura do all the talking (good move) and just sat there.

[Marx]

I know some are upset with the cost.....but damn, I love all of this pomp and circumstance.........

The majority of people love this!

[Kelly]

The I.Q. of the state just went down.



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I think Laura's IQ can take care of that....unless of course you move back, then she may not be strong enough.:whatever::oldrazz:

[Marx]

I got the impression that Bush was just as eager to be done as the rest of us were eager to see him go. There was something on the History channel last night about the history of the White House and he looked uncomfortable the whole time. He let Laura do all the talking (good move) and just sat there.

I think so too. If I remember hearing right, the Bushes have been packed and ready to go for days. Usually, it's not done until the day of the inauguration.

[Paradoxium]

I know some are upset with the cost.....but damn, I love all of this pomp and circumstance.........Just saying it, cause the CEOs of the big three caught a lot of flack for their little private jet and begging for cash thing, whilst this 150 million event is like farting cinnamon buns... to top it off he lectures everyone on sacrifice and responsibility...

[Franklin Richards]

I know some are upset with the cost.....but damn, I love all of this pomp and circumstance.........

Reagan's Funeral cost alot I'm sure. What's wrong with spending some of our capital for a much needed celebration? Everyone's gotta go out on the town every now and then.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[bell110]

Here's what's backing the new limo up.


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:doom: :doom: :doom:

Reminds me of Jackhammer from M.A.S.K.

[Franklin Richards]

I think Laura's IQ can take care of that....unless of course you move back, then she may not be strong enough.:whatever::oldrazz:

Too late. Me and the Bush Twins are back and we're mucking up the average. :D



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[redfirebird2008]

I got the impression that Bush was just as eager to be done as the rest of us were eager to see him go.

Well I am sure he's happy to be done. Presidents age twice as fast in office as they do out of office. It is a hugely stressful job, knowing that the weight of the world is on your shoulders. I am very happy for President Bush and Mrs. Bush that they can live a relaxed lifestyle.

[Paradoxium]

Reagan's Funeral cost alot I'm sure. What's wrong with spending some of our capital for a much needed celebration? Everyone's gotta go out on the town every now and then.


:thing: :doom: :thing:Two cliche thing to say but: two wrongs don't make right AND leaders should lead by example...

[Kelly]

Too late. Me and the Bush Twins are back and we're mucking up the average. :D



:doom: :doom: :doom:


Oh no, those are two sharp kids.....they can take up the slack.

[Hobgoblin]

Oh no, those are two sharp kids.....they can take up the slack.

Well, Jenna is, anyway....:o

[amazingfantasy15]

Just saying it, cause the CEOs of the big three caught a lot of flack for their little private jet and begging for cash thing, whilst this 150 million event is like farting cinnamon buns... to top it off he lectures everyone on sacrifice and responsibility...

Well, the CEOs went to Washington to ask for billions of dollars in the least efficient way possible, of course they're gonna get some flack. If you needed a loan from the bank would you hire a limo to take you there?

[BlackLantern]

Reagan's Funeral cost alot I'm sure. What's wrong with spending some of our capital for a much needed celebration? Everyone's gotta go out on the town every now and then.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

Partying and celebrating is something you do when it's merited...if I have spent all my money and I am broke, I don't get to go out and party because I can't afford to...

People need to be smacked in the face with the fact that our economy is in the ****ter and all this today, regardless of its intentions, just distracts people....

[Anita18]

Just saying it, cause the CEOs of the big three caught a lot of flack for their little private jet and begging for cash thing, whilst this 150 million event is like farting cinnamon buns... to top it off he lectures everyone on sacrifice and responsibility...
Because this is an INAUGURATION? A historic one, no less? All I've heard about on the news is the extent of security, not the extent of frivolous celebration.

It isn't like Obama demands all of this when he goes out to the grocery store. :whatever:

[Kelly]

Update:

Senator Kennedy suffered a seizure, probably from simple fatique. He is awake and talking to family. He will stay overnight.

[Excel]

Im so pumped about President Barack, it was just a year ago all of you guys were telling me how little I knew about politics (which may or may not have changed) and how he would lose (which didnt work) :up: :up:

It isn't like Obama demands all of this when he goes out to the grocery store. :whatever:

Touche :up:

[Marx]

BREAKING NEWS!

UPDATED!

FATIGUE A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO SENATOR KENNEDY'S COLLAPSE. KENNEDY IS AT THE HOSPITAL UNDER OBSERVATION, APPEARS TO BE OK.

This is certainly some good news! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Marx]

Im so pumped about President Barack, it was just a year ago all of you guys were telling me how little I knew about politics (which may or may not have changed) and how he would lose (which didnt work) :up: :up:

People were criticizing you because of the reason why you chose to throw your support behind him.

[Kelly]

Umm... beat ya to it Marx......BOOOOOM..... beat ya.

[Marx]

Umm... beat ya to it Marx......BOOOOOM..... beat ya.

I just saw that! :cmad::oldrazz:

[Kelly]

Im so pumped about President Barack, it was just a year ago all of you guys were telling me how little I knew about politics (which may or may not have changed) and how he would lose (which didnt work) :up: :up:

People were criticizing you because of the reason why you chose to throw your support behind him.

Marx is right....

Your choice of Obama had nothing to do with your knowledge of politics. Your knowledge of politics as grown since first backing Obama because he is black.....which is actually fine. But, don't try and call it something else.

[Excel]

Psh. The point is, for those of us who wanted Obama to win all along from even before the battle with Hillary, this day seemed impossible.

Gotta love the United States :up: :up:

[Kelly]

Psh. The point is, for those of us who wanted Obama to win all along from even before the battle with Hillary, this day seemed impossible.

Gotta love the United States :up: :up:


Don't "psh" me.........:o:cwink:


And yes, this is history that was a long time coming. BUT EXCEL, this isn't a football game babe. Just because we question, debate, discuss, and investigate over and above "color of skin" or "gender".....does not mean we are not happy on this day.

I voted for Obama as well, and it was an educated vote. :word:

[Marx]

Don't "psh" me.........:o:cwink:


And yes, this is history that was a long time coming. BUT EXCEL, this isn't a football game babe. Just because we question, debate, discuss, and investigate over and above "color of skin" or "gender".....does not mean we are not happy on this day.

I voted for Obama as well, and it was an educated vote. :word:

Well said, Kel.

[Franklin Richards]

I on the other hand used the entrails of a goat. It told me at first to vote for Hillary Clinton but then she lost. So I voted according to fashion. Obama dressed better than Palin and the rest was history.



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[Kelly]

Well said, Kel.


Thank y ou.....


AND WOOOOO HOOOOOOOO..... They are playing my song in the parade right now. Rocky Top, you'll always be....home sweet home to meeeeeee...good ol' Rocky....Rocky Top Tennessee.....

Univ. of Tennessee Marching Band is proudly playing....

[Heretic]

I think all the pomp looks like Nazi Germany myself, but whatever.

[Franklin Richards]

Ah yes. I remember all those high school marching bands at the Nazi rallies. And the business suits as far as the eye could see.


I believe there were balloons of Garfield too. Oh wait that was the Macy's Parade.



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[Marx]

I think all the pomp looks like Nazi Germany myself, but whatever.

I would assume that you feel that way with regard to ALL inaugurals...not just this one.

[Addendum]

I think all the pomp looks like Nazi Germany myself, but whatever.

Because it's a fact that parades never existed until Goebbels thought them up :dry:

[Marx]

BREAKING NEWS!

UPDATED!

SENATOR BYRD IS NOT AT A HOSPITAL. HE IS SAID TO BE 'FINE', JUST DISTURBED BY SENATOR KENNEDY'S COLLAPSE.


More good news! http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[redfirebird2008]

I just saw Bush's motorcade drive by here in Midland. Waved at 'em. They were going really fast though. Looked like Bush was on the other side of the car from the side of the street that we were standing on.

[Paradoxium]

Because this is an INAUGURATION? A historic one, no less? All I've heard about on the news is the extent of security, not the extent of frivolous celebration.

It isn't like Obama demands all of this when he goes out to the grocery store. :whatever:I'm pretty sure he can cut it a bit down in terms of travel and appearances which correlates with more intense security. Like he said "sacrifices", and these celebrations are luxuries he can give up on. The point is already made in his swear in... that will remembered most, not how hard they partied. I don't think anyone will lose much if they cut the excess down.

Besides it ain't historic until after the point. For all we could know, he could give Bush a run for his money, and this won't not be the type of historic people will like, ya?

[Marx]

I'm pretty sure he can cut it a bit down in terms of travel and appearances which correlates with more intense security. Like he said "sacrifices", and these celebrations are luxuries he can give up on. The point is already made in his swear in... that will remembered most, not how hard they partied. I don't think anyone will lose much if they cut the excess down.

Besides it ain't historic until after the point. For all we could know, he could give Bush a run for his money, and this won't not be the type of historic people will like, ya?

Keep trying to drum up rain clouds Dox, it's not going to work! :cwink:

[Paradoxium]

Keep trying to drum up rain clouds Dox, it's not going to work! :cwink:My evilness will rain supreme in a few months :cmad: :cmad: :cmad: :woot: :woot:

[Kelly]

I'm pretty sure he can cut it a bit down in terms of travel and appearances which correlates with more intense security. Like he said "sacrifices", and these celebrations are luxuries he can give up on. The point is already made in his swear in... that will remembered most, not how hard they partied. I don't think anyone will lose much if they cut the excess down - so would the security costs.

Besides it ain't historic until after the point. For all we could know, he could give Bush a run for his money, and this won't not be the type of historic people will like, ya?


He doesn't have to come near Bush's downfalls.....

People have set the bar so high, that anything less than every family in America considered Middle Class....will be enough.

That is scary as hell, cause it ain't gonna happen. He can only do so much, people have to do the rest......and some never will....and those are the ones looking at him as their savior.

I just keep remembering the woman interviewed after he got the nomination.

"I don't have to worry about my mortgage..." WTF? she listed about 5 other things she didn't have to worry about, that were to most of us....everyday bills.....

[Anita18]

Besides it ain't historic until after the point. For all we could know, he could give Bush a run for his money, and this won't not be the type of historic people will like, ya?
Um, this isn't historic? Take a look at the 43 previous presidents. Then take a look at Obama. :dry:

[Marx]

He doesn't have to come near Bush's downfalls.....

People have set the bar so high, that anything less than every family in America considered Middle Class....will be enough.

That is scary as hell, cause it ain't gonna happen. He can only do so much, people have to do the rest......and some never will....and those are the ones looking at him as their savior.

Anyone expecting a savior or overnight cures is just delusional.

[Kelly]

Anyone expecting a savior or overnight cures is just delusional.


Yeah, and that is a hell of alot of people.....:o

[Marx]

Yeah, and that is a hell of alot of people.....:o

I think it's a very vocal minority, moreso than the majority.

[Paradoxium]

Ahh this whole thing reminds me of couples.

John thinks the Jane will make his life better and happier.

Jane thinks the John will make her life better and happier.

John and Jane engage in an relationship and discover it is all ******** and demand a refund :funny: The secret is, being happy and directed prior to a relationship, the significant other is someone coming along for the ride. Or something like that.

[Kelly]

I think it's a very vocal minority, moreso than the majority.


The squeaky wheel gets the TV cameras.....

[Paradoxium]

Um, this isn't historic? Take a look at the 43 previous presidents. Then take a look at Obama. :dry:I'm afraid I don't see any difference, or at least can't judge anything substantial yet. I don't judge people by their skin color, I thought that's the ideal of a meritocratic society, no? My standards are held on their actions. :dry:

[Marx]

I'm afraid I don't see any difference, or at least can't judge anything substantial yet. I don't judge people by their skin color, I thought that's the ideal of a meritocratic society, no? My standards are held on their actions. :dry:

Then I would suggest that you let him act before you cast your judgements. :dry:

[Paradoxium]

Then I would suggest that you let him act before you cast your judgements. :dry:Geithner and the stimulus plan are pretty good starting barometers or trajectories. If he doesn't sign the stimulus plans and takes a different approach, AND chuck away Geithner... I will most definitely admit I was wrong about him (it will change the way I hedge things for starters). That is, Obama is ACTUALLY looking at different that ideas instead of repeating the same **** in different salad dressing of the Demopublicans and Bush.

[Anita18]

I'm afraid I don't see any difference, or at least can't judge anything substantial yet. I don't judge people by their skin color, I thought that's the ideal of a meritocratic society, no? My standards are held on their actions. :dry:
Still doesn't make it not historic, you know. :oldrazz:

Personally, it will be a bigger deal when a woman is elected president. But I can certainly understand how momentous this must be for African-Americans. And yes, historic.

[Marx]

Geithner and stimulus plan are pretty good starting barometers or trajectories. If he doesn't sign the stimulus plans and takes a different approach, AND chuck away Geithner... I will most definitely admit I was wrong about him (it will change the way I hedge things for starters). That is, Obama is ACTUALLY looking at different that ideas instead of repeating the same **** in different salad dressing of the Demopublicans and Bush.

Just because you may not approve of a cabinet appointment or a piece of legislation, doesn't mean that it can't (or won't) be good for the country. Again, I would suggest that you wait and see what happens before you start throwing rocks.

[Paradoxium]

Just because you may not approve of a cabinet appointment or a piece of legislation, doesn't mean that it can't (or won't) be good for the country. Again, I would suggest that you wait and see what happens before you start throwing rocks.For what it's worth, if I am wrong on some things, not only will I be wrong in the talk... I will lose $$$$ betting the other way, so know that I will get screwed in ways beyond the norm :woot:

[Marx]

For what it's worth, if I am wrong on some things, not only will I be wrong in the talk... I will lose $$$$ betting the other way, so know that I will get screwed in ways beyond the norm :woot:

It's no secret around here that I do not approve of some of the cabinet appointments, but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt (and let them act.)

[Marx]

They are attending TEN official balls? Good lord...

:wow:

[cyborg ninja 14]

Well, we have just inagurated a White Sox fan in the White House people. This is not the change we need

:o

[Addendum]

A Cubs fan as a president would've said "wait 'till next year"

[cyborg ninja 14]

A Cubs fan as a president would've said "wait 'till next year"

:woot:

[SuperT]

I wish I was in DC and able to attend some of the balls. That would just be absolutely amazing.

[Addendum]

They've got big balls

[Franklin Richards]

And I'm just itching to tell you about them.



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[X Knight]

wonder how much it cost to attend one of those balls?

bet they're invitation-only too........:(

[Raiden]

Anyone expecting a savior or overnight cures is just delusional.

People have to realize that it's alot harder to build than destroy, to earn than to spend, and Obama will need time to get the worst economy since the Great Depression back on its feet.

[ih8nyy]

Anyone expecting a savior or overnight cures is just delusional.

Well with the way some people talk about him, I was expecting him to part the Potomac today and then walk across the reflecting pool all while curing cancer.

[Marx]

wonder how much it cost to attend one of those balls?

bet they're invitation-only too........:(

I believe that all of the balls are invite-only and have free admission.

[redfirebird2008]

People have to realize that it's alot harder to build than destroy, to earn than to spend, and Obama will need time to get the worst economy since the Great Depression back on its feet.

The economy is bigger than the President. The main thing he needs to do is not enact stupid policies that will make it worse. I'm not sure what the answer is, but I am very skeptical about the $800+ billion stimulus package. If I remember right, Bush tried a similar stimulus a year or two ago and it didn't work out very well. People used the money to pay off their own debts and necessities rather than consuming new goods and services.

[Franklin Richards]

Well with the way some people talk about him, I was expecting him to part the Potomac today and then walk across the reflecting pool all while curing cancer.

This is all manufactured rage. No one is worshipping the guy. I thought liking a president was a good thing.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Chris Wallace]

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[ih8nyy]

This is all manufactured rage. No one is worshipping the guy. I thought liking a president was a good thing.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

I like the guy. But some people are complete Moon Bats that think he is a flat out God. (I work with two) That was my only point. I just hope he doesn't fall victim to unrealistic expectations.

[Chris Wallace]

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[Raiden]

^ :up:

[souvlaki]

Still doesn't make it not historic, you know. :oldrazz:

Personally, it will be a bigger deal when a woman is elected president. But I can certainly understand how momentous this must be for African-Americans. And yes, historic.

Depends on the woman. There is not a chance in a hell Hillary Clinton would have got that big a crowd. Of course how much of that crowd was there because he was the first black president, and how much of the crowd was there because it was Barrack Obama I do not know, but I'd place bets that we may not see a larger crowd at an inauguration in our lifetime.

[Kelly]

This is all manufactured rage. No one is worshipping the guy. I thought liking a president was a good thing.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

I disagree, I think there are some that have put him up on a pedistal of worship....not as a God....but as their savior in some way.

[Anita18]

Depends on the woman. There is not a chance in a hell Hillary Clinton would have got that big a crowd. Of course how much of that crowd was there because he was the first black president, and how much of the crowd was there because it was Barrack Obama I do not know, but I'd place bets that we may not see a larger crowd at an inauguration in our lifetime.
I actually meant "personally," as in, for me. Obama's win was certainly historic in terms of race, but it was more heartening to me that we got a smart, eloquent guy in office rather than an African-American, you know? I wasn't all that excited about him being black, I was excited that he's inspiring.

Well, I dunno, I certainly wasn't excited about the prospect of Sarah Palin as veep, so I guess it'd be more important that a future female candidate be smart and eloquent too. :funny:

[Chris Wallace]

"Worship" is an extreme word. So is "Savior". I do agree that many of us-myself included-are looking to him to rectify the mess his predecessor made, & restore dignity to the office where it has been sorely lacking for the last 10 years.

[Franklin Richards]

I think it's been a while since you've seen confidence in our president. You just don't know what to think.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Chris Wallace]

I actually meant "personally," as in, for me. Obama's win was certainly historic in terms of race, but it was more heartening to me that we got a smart, eloquent guy in office rather than an African-American, you know? I wasn't all that excited about him being black, I was excited that he's inspiring.

Well, I dunno, I certainly wasn't excited about the prospect of Sarah Palin as veep, so I guess it'd be more important that a future female candidate be smart and eloquent too. :funny:

I'm with Chris Rock on this; I wouldn't be this excited if Flavor Flav was running. It's not so much that we got a black guy in as it is that we got THE RIGHT black guy in.

[terry78]

I actually meant "personally," as in, for me. Obama's win was certainly historic in terms of race, but it was more heartening to me that we got a smart, eloquent guy in office rather than an African-American, you know? I wasn't all that excited about him being black, I was excited that he's inspiring.

Well, I dunno, I certainly wasn't excited about the prospect of Sarah Palin as veep, so I guess it'd be more important that a future female candidate be smart and eloquent too. :funny:

You can be the first asian woman prez then Anita. That **** is a double whammy so you REALLY gotta try not to get shot. :o

[kedrell]

Glad I missed it. My laundry needed doing.

[Chris Wallace]

I think it's been a while since you've seen confidence in our president. You just don't know what to think.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

Pretty much what I said. I mean, the difference in how people view Obama & how they viewed Bush Sidious is so drastic it's unreal. I have never seen this kind of response to any


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[kedrell]

I disagree, I think there are some that have put him up on a pedistal of worship....not as a God....but as their savior in some way.

Ahem.....Oprah.:cwink:

[Kelly]

"Worship" is an extreme word. So is "Savior". I do agree that many of us-myself included-are looking to him to rectify the mess his predecessor made, & restore dignity to the office where it has been sorely lacking for the last 10 years.


I had many reasons why I voted for Obama....but none of them had anything to do with him buying my gas, or paying my mortgage.....

I don't think savior is a strong word at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

[Kelly]

Ahem.....Oprah.:cwink:

I disagree with that.....lack of intelligence puts a man up on a pedistal. Oprah is an intelligent person, and I think she had far greater reasons for voting for him, and I would probably agree with many of them.

[Paradoxium]

Apparently the inaugurations had a record setting 600 private jets compared to half of that by Bush. Most ever. Good for the environment :)

[redfirebird2008]

I had many reasons why I voted for Obama....but none of them had anything to do with him buying my gas, or paying my mortgage.....

I don't think savior is a strong word at all...

Agreed. I think this will be an example of a Presidency where many people like the first family but dislike his policies. Some of his policies on the economy don't seem very good to me. It could plunge us into further despair economically. On social issues and foreign policy, he will be a huge improvement from Bush. If his economic policy fails, he will be viewed as a failure just like Bush is currently viewed. That will be the legacy of his administration. We'll see if his policies work but I won't hold my breath. Bush's economic stimulus didn't do much of anything a couple years ago and I doubt Obama's will either.

[redfirebird2008]

Apparently the inaugurations had a record setting 600 private jets compared to half of that by Bush. Most ever. Good for the environment :)

Yes, we know all those environmentalist celebrities are just so good at setting a strong example for the public.

Al Gore...cough...hypocrite...cough. :cwink:

[Paradoxium]

My favorite part about Gore is, he thinks he can "offset" his damage to the environment with ******** carbon credits. On top of which, he bought those ******** carbon credits from his own ******** company. LOL, paying himself credits for guilt :funny:

[Shemtov]

Well with the way some people talk about him, I was expecting him to part the Potomac today and then walk across the reflecting pool all while curing cancer.
I expected His Reverand (in the invocation.) Or that civil-rights pastor who prayed after the speech to proclaim him the Second Coming of Jesus.

[redfirebird2008]

My favorite part about Gore is, he thinks he can "offset" his damage to the environment with ******** carbon credits. On top of which, he bought those ******** carbon credits from his own ******** company. LOL, paying himself credits for guilt :funny:

LOL, it's pathetic.

[kedrell]

I think no matter who became the Prez they would have been destined to ultimately be despised by the end of their 1st and only term. All this so called good will towards Obama is still being given by an extremely fickle public. Probably the most fickle generation in our history. And a lot of that has to do with how fast things move today, i.e. the internet.

[Anita18]

I think no matter who became the Prez they would have been destined to ultimately be despised by the end of their 1st and only term. All this so called good will towards Obama is still being given by an extremely fickle public. Probably the most fickle generation in our history. And a lot of that has to do with how fast things move today, i.e. the internet.
I thought that Bush was despised enough after his first term. :o

[Paradoxium]

You know speaking of Bush and the fickle public, if there is one thing I can bet on about him, is that he has probably one of the thickest skins ever. I wonder if Obama can take the criticism and bashing given all the gushing and honeymooning by the media. Bush was pretty good at taking the heat, I mean we are talking about the same guy who got eggs thrown at him at his own inauguration. Meanwhile, people get pissed at any ounce of dissent in Obama's inauguration...

hrmm....

[kedrell]

No, it was still 50/50, eh, maybe slightly more favorable than that.

[redfirebird2008]

I think no matter who became the Prez they would have been destined to ultimately be despised by the end of their 1st and only term. All this so called good will towards Obama is still being given by an extremely fickle public. Probably the most fickle generation in our history. And a lot of that has to do with how fast things move today, i.e. the internet.

Yes, I would not want his job. He's got big challenges ahead of him. He's probably doomed to failure. The country is probably doomed, simply because of our rather idiotic view on deficit spending over the last 75 years.

[Paradoxium]

Yes, I would not want his job. He's got big challenges ahead of him. He's probably doomed to failure. The country is probably doomed, simply because of our rather idiotic view on deficit spending over the last 75 years.The most sensible thing I read all day long. :woot:

[kedrell]

That and being a consumer-based economy rather than a production based one, one based on credit as well(the former, I mean).

[Anita18]

No, it was still 50/50, eh, maybe slightly more favorable than that.
Was still enough to get him re-elected. :oldrazz:

That and being a consumer-based economy rather than a production based one, one based on credit as well(the former, I mean).
That's a tricky one, since why produce anything if it's not going to be consumed? I do think that we do too much importing, though.

[redfirebird2008]

That and being a consumer-based economy rather than a production based one, one based on credit as well(the former, I mean).

Yes, it's a combination of things. Deficit spending and credit-based economy kind of go hand in hand. The consumerism thing is pathetic though. All three of those things we could easily control, but the consumer one just seems entirely over the top.

[kedrell]

What I mean is that you should produce more than you consume, that way you're actually increasing in wealth.

[danoyse]

Oh, the savior worship is terrible. But I wouldn't call it the majority of his supporters, either. Where I live is predominantly made up of Obama supporters, and none of them are like that. We make fun of that more than take any of it seriously.

But on the same note, I was watching ABC News tonight and they were visiting his father's village in Kenya. They interviewed a guy who lives in a house with no electricity who is studying to be a lawyer. He said Obama is his hero, and has modified his campaign slogan to reflect his own studies: "Yes I can too."

They also showed some kids in one of the schools in NY who had their own mock inauguration today, and the kids were saying along the same. One girl said "He showed me today that I can go anywhere."

To me, if electing our first black president inspires people to reach further than they thought they could, I think that's great.

[Marx]

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[Chris Wallace]

Was still enough to get him re-elected. :oldrazz:



That has a lot to do with piss-poor salesmanship on Kerry's part.

[danoyse]

Meanwhile, people get pissed at any ounce of dissent in Obama's inauguration...

hrmm....

Or maybe people just didn't like it getting compared to a Nazi rally.

[kedrell]

^Well I personally don't trust any crowd that gets THAT emotional for ANY politician. Trouble brews there.

[Chris Wallace]

Oh, the savior worship is terrible. But I wouldn't call it the majority of his supporters, either. Where I live is predominantly made up of Obama supporters, and none of them are like that. We make fun of that more than take any of it seriously.

But on the same note, I was watching ABC News tonight and they were visiting his father's village in Kenya. They interviewed a guy who lives in a house with no electricity who is studying to be a lawyer. He said Obama is his hero, and has modified his campaign slogan to reflect his own studies: "Yes I can too."

They also showed some kids in one of the schools in NY who had their own mock inauguration today, and the kids were saying along the same. One girl said "He showed me today that I can go anywhere."

To me, if electing our first black president inspires people to reach further than they thought they could, I think that's great.THat is what I think we should all take away from this, instead of looking at his supporters as mindless sheep, or bashing & ridiculing him for things that haven't even happened yet.

[redfirebird2008]

^Well I personally don't trust any crowd that gets THAT emotional for ANY politician. Trouble brews there.

Many of them weren't necessarily emotional for Obama. Probably more for the symbolism of the moment. Obama is a triangulator just like the previous two Presidents, he's just smoother in his constant flip flops. I really do think we're going to see a lot of people who dislike his policies but like him and his family. They are very likeable if you strictly ignore the politics of it.

[Marx]

Or maybe people just didn't like it getting compared to a Nazi rally.

Exactly, Dan. No matter how you slice it, that was completely inappropriate.

[terry78]

I think no matter who became the Prez they would have been destined to ultimately be despised by the end of their 1st and only term. All this so called good will towards Obama is still being given by an extremely fickle public. Probably the most fickle generation in our history. And a lot of that has to do with how fast things move today, i.e. the internet.

So in Hype terms, Obama is like Nolan...we worship the ground he walks on and can do no wrong regardless of how far-fetched, is that about right?

[danoyse]

Many of them weren't necessarily emotional for Obama.

Bingo. I think the historical significance of today trumps it just being a ceremony for a politician (even though that's really all it was).

[kedrell]

Many of them weren't necessarily emotional for Obama. Probably more for the symbolism of the moment. Obama is a triangulator just like the previous two Presidents, he's just smoother in his constant flip flops. I really do think we're going to see a lot of people who dislike his policies but like him and his family. They are very likeable if you strictly ignore the politics of it.

Originally, Bush Jr. was very likeable as well. That was probably the single biggest factor that got him the job. But we all know how it ended up.

[Marx]

Is anyone else watching the Neighborhood Ball? Good stuff! :funny:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[danoyse]

Is anyone else watching the Neighborhood Ball? Good stuff! :funny:http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

I love that will.i.am song. :up:

[Kelly]

Oh, the savior worship is terrible. But I wouldn't call it the majority of his supporters, either. Where I live is predominantly made up of Obama supporters, and none of them are like that. We make fun of that more than take any of it seriously.

But on the same note, I was watching ABC News tonight and they were visiting his father's village in Kenya. They interviewed a guy who lives in a house with no electricity who is studying to be a lawyer. He said Obama is his hero, and has modified his campaign slogan to reflect his own studies: "Yes I can too."

They also showed some kids in one of the schools in NY who had their own mock inauguration today, and the kids were saying along the same. One girl said "He showed me today that I can go anywhere."

To me, if electing our first black president inspires people to reach further than they thought they could, I think that's great.


Definitely, I by no means believe that the worshippers are of any major number....they are just loud...:yay:

I totally believe he has inspired young people....I saw it in my class today...... :word:

[kedrell]

So in Hype terms, Obama is like Nolan...we worship the ground he walks on and can do no wrong regardless of how far-fetched, is that about right?

He's more like Singer after he was named the director of SR but before the film came out.

[Paradoxium]

Or maybe people just didn't like it getting compared to a Nazi rally.Dude it's not the same league as egging and throwing things at someone, on one of the most important days of their lives.

I am comparing it to the emotional fanaticism of spectacles which happens to parallel a Nazi rally. Besides I didn't even make it up, I lazily copied and pasted all the quote chunks from the econlog. Some other bloke wrote it. You're just overly touchy, you Nazi Communist Jew :cmad: :funny:

[Darthphere]

Dude it's not the same league as egging and throwing things at someone, on one of the most important days of their lives.

I am comparing it to the emotional fanaticism of spectacles which happens to parallel a Nazi rally. Besides I didn't even make it up, I lazily copied and pasted all the quote chunks from the econlog. Some other bloke wrote it. You're just overly touchy, you Nazi Communist Jew :cmad: :funny:

:dry:

[Kelly]

I'm putting together a powerpoint for my classes tomorrow, with pics from today. If you guys have any and could post them here...I would greatly appreciate it.

[Paradoxium]

He's more like Singer after he was named the director of SR but before the film came out.It's scary similar now that you mention that. I remember being slightly optimistic about him too... until I heard his outline. I kept saying they ought to reboot or the franchise is done for. People said - well give him the benefit of doubt. Now the franchise is dead. :woot:

[Kelly]

I'm glad to see that Obama knows how to salute......Clinton never got that right....

[redfirebird2008]

I'm putting together a powerpoint for my classes tomorrow, with pics from today. If you guys have any and could post them here...I would greatly appreciate it.

Be sure to get some of the daughters. :yay:

[Darthphere]

I find the daughters kind of annoying, especially Sasha. Probably because I don't like little kids.

[redfirebird2008]

He's more like Singer after he was named the director of SR but before the film came out.

Agreed. Singer had a lot of trust before enacting his plan for Superman. Nolan didn't really gain anyone's trust until Batman Begins came out.

[danoyse]

Dude it's not the same league as egging and throwing things at someone, on one of the most important days of their lives.

I am comparing it to the emotional fanaticism of spectacles which happens to parallel a Nazi rally. Besides I didn't even make it up, I lazily copied and pasted all the quote chunks from the econlog. Some other bloke wrote it. You're just overly touchy, you Nazi Communist Jew :cmad: :funny:

First of all, I'm not a dude.

Second of all, people go fanatically crazy over many things. That doesn't mean Obama is Hitler reborn, and that his supporters are mindless followers comparable to the Nazi party.

You were the one who decided to quote a whole comparison to Nazi Germany, which was utterly inappropriate and offensive to many people here. It was a lazy and ignorant comparison.

[Paradoxium]

The egging thing I am referring to is this:

cAp6YAPtC2c

We also get "classy" statements from media (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-bronstein/obamas-inauguration-plays_b_159440.html) (i.e. Huffingtonpost)
But when Dick Cheney first rolled onto the giant TV screen, looking with his cane and trademark grimace like a villain in a Harry Potter film, the thousands of people gathered in SF’s Civic Plaza to watch the DC inauguration hooted as one. Their first mass shout-out of the morning.

[...]

Goodbye. Don’t let the chopper door slam your chair on the way out.

[Havok83]

Earlier when it looked like Obama was nervous saying his oath, it was actually bc the Chief Justice screwed up the words and Obama caught it. It looked like Obama messed up but he was trying not to say the wrong words and clue the guy in of his error

[redfirebird2008]

First of all, I'm not a dude.

Second of all, people go fanatically crazy over many things. That doesn't mean Obama is Hitler reborn, and that his supporters are mindless followers comparable to the Nazi party.

You were the one who decided to quote a whole comparison to Nazi Germany, which was utterly inappropriate and offensive to many people here. It was a lazy and ignorant comparison.

Didn't Hitler write Mein Kampf before he got into power in Germany? In that book, he clearly laid out his evil plans for Germans to see. And for some reason, his brand of nationalism (aka anti-Semitism and racism) worked very well on a vulnerable public. Obama has never advocated racism or anything like that. In fact, he's been the victim of it in the campaign if anything. Comparing him to Hitler is ridiculous. I do think some of his economic policies could be really bad, but his foreign policy and social agenda alone make the comparison to Hitler laughable.

[redfirebird2008]

The egging thing I am referring to is this:

cAp6YAPtC2c

We also get "classy" statements from media (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-bronstein/obamas-inauguration-plays_b_159440.html) (i.e. Huffingtonpost)

Kinda like the classy crap coming from the likes of Sean Hannity, claiming Obama is secretly a terrorist? And yes, if you count Huffington Post as part of the media, you have to count Sean Hannity too.

[Paradoxium]

First of all, I'm not a dude.

Second of all, people go fanatically crazy over many things. That doesn't mean Obama is Hitler reborn, and that his supporters are mindless followers comparable to the Nazi party.

You were the one who decided to quote a whole comparison to Nazi Germany, which was utterly inappropriate and offensive to many people here. It was a lazy and ignorant comparison.I know your not a dude. But I still say to anyone, the username is kind of obvious anyways :o

And here is where I got it all from:
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/01/douglas_rushkof.html

I am not going to change my stance, although I did admit it was hyperbolic. And I NEVER said he was Hitler reborn, and his supporters are mindless. My whole point in quoting all that is not let yourself get engulf by the spectacle of the situation.

[Paradoxium]

Kinda like the classy crap coming from the likes of Sean Hannity, claiming Obama is secretly a terrorist? And yes, if you count Huffington Post as part of the media, you have to count Sean Hannity too.Hannity is a butt clown :o

[Chris Wallace]

Earlier when it looked like Obama was nervous saying his oath, it was actually bc the Chief Justice screwed up the words and Obama caught it. It looked like Obama messed up but he was trying not to say the wrong words and clue the guy in of his error

I caught that.

[danoyse]

I know your not a dude. But I still say to anyone, the username is kind of obvious anyways :o

And here is where I got it all from:
http://econlog.econlib.org/archives/2009/01/douglas_rushkof.html

I am not going to change my stance, although I did admit it was hyperbolic. And I NEVER said he was Hitler reborn, and his supporters are mindless. My whole point in quoting all that is not let yourself get engulf by the spectacle of the situation.

Then the blog was offensive. And it was inappropriate to post it here. Let it go.

[redfirebird2008]

I caught that.

Same here. Roberts screwed up twice. He tacked on "faithfully" at the end of the statement instead of in front of it. He also referred to the office of the President of the United States as the office of the President to the United States. However, Obama screwed up at the very beginning when he began reciting his name before Roberts could finish the phrase "do solemnly swear."

[redfirebird2008]

Hannity is a butt clown :o

Hannity has more of a voice in the media than the Huffington Post. You point to one extreme for the left and there's an equal on the right, with a far bigger bully pulpit.

[Chris Wallace]

I'd actually forgotten that.

[Chris Wallace]

Originally, Bush Jr. was very likeable as well. That was probably the single biggest factor that got him the job. But we all know how it ended up. I NEVER liked him. Or his pop.

[Marx]

Anti-Gravity was pretty interesting. Maroon 5 also put on a great performance. (As did Alicia Keys.)

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Venom'sDad]

Hannity is a butt clown :o

Thank you... because I would have said something much worse. :up:

[Golgo-13]

Earlier when it looked like Obama was nervous saying his oath, it was actually bc the Chief Justice screwed up the words and Obama caught it. It looked like Obama messed up but he was trying not to say the wrong words and clue the guy in of his error

Yeah, they've been saying that on the news.

[Anita18]

So in Hype terms, Obama is like Nolan...we worship the ground he walks on and can do no wrong regardless of how far-fetched, is that about right?
:funny:

Originally, Bush Jr. was very likeable as well. That was probably the single biggest factor that got him the job. But we all know how it ended up.
I don't remember how I felt about Bush the first time around. I don't believe I was old enough to vote then. It was probably a resounding "meh."

I've always wanted to hide under a table when he spoke publicly about anything, though. I don't think his speaking style changed THAT drastically while he was in office. :o

He's more like Singer after he was named the director of SR but before the film came out.

Agreed. Singer had a lot of trust before enacting his plan for Superman. Nolan didn't really gain anyone's trust until Batman Begins came out.
I always thought the X-men movies were overrated, so Singer also got a resounding "meh" from me too. :funny:

Second of all, people go fanatically crazy over many things. That doesn't mean Obama is Hitler reborn, and that his supporters are mindless followers comparable to the Nazi party.

You were the one who decided to quote a whole comparison to Nazi Germany, which was utterly inappropriate and offensive to many people here. It was a lazy and ignorant comparison.
To add to this, EVERY march somewhat resembles a Nazi march, because...they're all marches. What a huge surprise. :oldrazz:

I don't get any Obama comparisons to Hitler, though. Hitler preached with anger. When he spoke, you could literally see the spittle shoot out his mouth. Obama is calm and eloquent, and people listen because he's inspiring. There's nothing promoting hate anywhere.

[Paradoxium]

Then the blog was offensive. And it was inappropriate to post it here. Let it go.If the infraction was for my half joking attempt with the communist nazi jew comment. Ok I get it, I am not going to go on about that. It's an injoke from SHH from a few years ago... I think by someone named Tukiluka.

But if it was because I made about political spectacles in general I am not backing down on that. I do think it's a valid point, and like I said I never said anything about Obama being Hitler and his supporters being anything like the Nazis. NOT ONCE.

I invite any of the mods and admins to read that link for themselves and consider in the context of what I just stated. That book that the blog cites from has 50 reviews from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Coercion-Why-Listen-What-They/dp/157322829X) and a 4.5/5 star rating, it's not exactly some obscure inflammatory source. Here is a wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Rushkoff) on the author. If they think it is an attempt at "flaming" so be it.

[Marx]

Wow! What a performance by Stevie Wonder! :applaud http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[danoyse]

If the infraction was for my half joking attempt with the communist nazi jew comment. Ok I get it, I am not going to go on about that. It's an injoke from SHH from a few years ago... I think by someone named Tukiluka.

Yes, it was, and if you want to discuss that, PM me. Let's not discuss it here.


But if it was because I made about political spectacles in general I am not backing down on that. I do think it's a valid point, and like I said I never said anything about Obama being Hitler and his supporters being anything like the Nazis. NOT ONCE.

I invite any of the mods and admins to read that link for themselves and consider in the context of what I just stated. That book that the blog cites from has 50 reviews from Amazon and a 4.5/5 star rating, it's not exactly some obscure inflammatory source. Here is a wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Rushkoff) on the author. If they think it is an attempt at "flaming" so be it.

And a number of us are trying to point that it was simply inappropriate to post comparisons to a Nazi rally in the hours after an inauguration.

[Paradoxium]

Hannity has more of a voice in the media than the Huffington Post. You point to one extreme for the left and there's an equal on the right, with a far bigger bully pulpit.Ok i conceded you got me there

[Chris Wallace]

So in Hype terms, Obama is like Nolan...we worship the ground he walks on and can do no wrong regardless of how far-fetched, is that about right?
Well, since I am one of the few comics fans who don't view Nolan that way, I'd say no. Nobody is expecting perfection out of the man. He has repeatedly told us not to. What we are expecting is a different kind of leadership than we've been seeing the last 8 years.
Why can't we be happy about this without being viewed as a bunch of mindless sheep?

[Anita18]

But if it was because I made about political spectacles in general I am not backing down on that. I do think it's a valid point, and like I said I never said anything about Obama being Hitler and his supporters being anything like the Nazis. NOT ONCE.
Then why did you even bring up Nazis in the first place? :dry:

I know it "wasn't your opinion" but you quoted the author who mentioned it, so...

Honestly, I don't see any "political spectacle." I see thousands of people listening with rapt attention to Obama's words, is that really so fanatical?

[Paradoxium]

Yes, it was, and if you want to discuss that, PM me. Let's not discuss it here.Nah I am not going to argue, reckless of me to assume you get the joke :o. It's my fault so I will own up to it.

[StorminNorman]

Then why did you even bring up Nazis in the first place? :dry:

I know it "wasn't your opinion" but you quoted the author who mentioned it, so...

Honestly, I don't see any "political spectacle." I see thousands of people listening with rapt attention to Obama's words, is that really so fanatical?

You don't see a "political spectacle"? Really?

I don't consider "political spectacle" to be an insult at all to today's wonderful events, but I think there is no other way to describe it.

[StorminNorman]

I find the daughters kind of annoying, especially Sasha. Probably because I don't like little kids.

My least favorite daughter is Rudy :down

[BlackLantern]

Then why did you even bring up Nazis in the first place? :dry:

I know it "wasn't your opinion" but you quoted the author who mentioned it, so...

Honestly, I don't see any "political spectacle." I see thousands of people listening with rapt attention to Obama's words, is that really so fanatical?

a good number of those people were camped out overnight on The Mall to listen with rapt attention....that's a little fanatical.....

[Kelly]

I call it "pomp and circumstance" regal enough for my President.

As far as his kiddos....I think they are as cute as they can be, and very well behaved young ladies...

[danoyse]

a good number of those people were camped out overnight on The Mall to listen with rapt attention....that's a little fanatical.....

I saw people camped out for an entire weekend in front of a Footlocker during a snowstorm in NY a few weeks ago for a pair of sneakers. At least the people camping out at the mall had a little more of a valid reason for being there.

[Anita18]

You don't see a "political spectacle"? Really?

I don't consider "political spectacle" to be an insult at all to today's wonderful events, but I think there is no other way to describe it.
Okay, so it is a spectacle and it is political, but by the way Paradoxium uses the term, you'd think it was Jesus Camp. :oldrazz:

a good number of those people were camped out overnight on The Mall to listen with rapt attention....that's a little fanatical.....
Hey, people camp out overnight for Black Friday and Star Wars. Heck, people even camped out for Twilight. And you think camping out for a historical political event is more frightening? :funny:

[BlackLantern]

I've never been a fan of focusing on the "First Family"....I'm concerned with the job that the President is doing....I've always wanted a single President....

[Addendum]

Every time a new game system comes out, there are people camping out days in advance.

[redfirebird2008]

My least favorite daughter is Rudy :down

You've lost me.

[danoyse]

I've camped out to see "Rent" in the front row back when it first opened on Broadway. :o

[BlackLantern]

Hey, people camp out overnight for Black Friday and Star Wars. Heck, people even camped out for Twilight. And you think camping out for a historical political event is more frightening? :funny:

It's the same level of fanatical as far as I am concerned.....and a little sad...

[Addendum]

I've never been a fan of focusing on the "First Family"....I'm concerned with the job that the President is doing....I've always wanted a single President....

The nation already had a President who was a bachelor.

(comic book guy voice) James Buchanan: Worst. President. Ever.

[Anita18]

I've never been a fan of focusing on the "First Family"....I'm concerned with the job that the President is doing....I've always wanted a single President....
Probably wouldn't fly in this day and age. People like family men (and women, although we've never had a woman president, so...anyway. :funny: ). It makes them more relateable.

[StorminNorman]

You've lost me.

Before Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC the media frequently talked about the need for her to make the Obama family look like the Huxtables.

[Chris Wallace]

I've never been a fan of focusing on the "First Family"....I'm concerned with the job that the President is doing....I've always wanted a single President....

I disagree, particularly in this case. With so many people being accused of trying to deify Obama, the family man angle humanizes him, & I think that's needed. And Michelle seems to be the kind of woman who will actually be a help to him in his struggle to repair the damage done to this country-both in terms of moral support & in actually giving him ideas.

[Darthphere]

You've lost me.

The Cosby Show.

[BlackLantern]

I've camped out to see "Rent" in the front row back when it first opened on Broadway. :o

Everything I need to know about "Rent" I learned from Team America: World Police:yay:

[StorminNorman]

Okay, so it is a spectacle and it is political, but by the way Paradoxium uses the term, you'd think it was Jesus Camp. :oldrazz:

I do think that a lot of the younger supporters of Obama are utterly delusional in their support and admiration for him - I think delusional supporters of Obama made up a good part (but not the majority or close to it) of those in attendance today.

[danoyse]

Everything I need to know about "Rent" I learned from Team America: World Police:yay:

No, not really. I can't stand that movie.

[redfirebird2008]

Before Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC the media frequently talked about the need for her to make the Obama family look like the Huxtables.

Oh. :hehe:

[Darthphere]

I've camped out to see "Rent" in the front row back when it first opened on Broadway. :o

How do you measure a year?