The Israel Situation

[kainedamo]

I still don't get why Hezbollah is so bad. Someone prove to me why Hezbollah is so bad. Why are they so different to the IRA of old?

[Super_Ludacris]

You're missing what's really going on.

It's more than what you said.

Hezbollah has been arming themselves and in a strategic place to go at war with Israel in Lebanon. Israel is now taking action to avoid further attacks/kidnappings, just as the US did when they went to war in the middle east recently.

The Lebanese govt should not have allowed Hezbollah in their country. They should know the past with Israel and Hezbollah.

Israel has a right to defend itself and the press isn't saying they don't, they just don't like all the civillian casualties. But remember, the US has also caused alot of civillian casualties and it's unfortunate, but it happens.

Now, what about all the Israeli civillian deaths? Why aren't you saying anything about that?

Israel has no choice in doing what they are doing and yes, I hate the civillian casualties (on both sides), but just as with the US, they must continue to defend themselves so they can survive.

If Isarel was smart they would know what Hezzbollah was doing this and use there ground small units that they claim to have instead of bomibing villages by air.
And how come all we've seen is nothing but dead children? There attacks and justifications have failed to produce what they were looking for and only created more questions (hence why the whole world looking at them in bemusemeant and disgust)

What about killing the UN officials. You saw the report. They knew the UN officials were in the building, they fired on them 13 times and then dropped a bomb. Why do you think the UN is pissed. Did you watch the news on Tuesday when it happened? Dude, they openly admitted they knew they were UN officals and killed them anyway.....why?

And again this is why even the strongest Isareli supporters arguments come across feeble. They keep on saying "Hezzbollah is in there, there in there" yet they dont even get the authority from the Lebeanon goverment. They go in there and what do they have to show for it? Dead children and dead UN officals

You mentioned the dead Isarelis. I'm glad you did , cause you do realise they are more dead lebeanese than Isarelis at a staggering 4:1 ratio? They didnt even allow Lebanon to get the civillans out. Dont believe me? Type it in a search engine and look at the staggering imbalance of dead on each side ( and yes 2 wrongs dont make a right, but at the end of the day Isarel is the only side in this war an official sanctioned army of a country whereas Hezzbollah is a group of terrorists. They as an army should know better on how to strategise)

Why do you think people in Europe (Jews too) are protesting there actions and asking for a ceasfire? Why do you think Condellezza Rice is trying (and failing as usual) to get Isarel to halt.
Why do you think Bush and Blair are at a stalepoint. Blair is sympathetic to Lebanon because he knows what's wrong and is pleading with Bush.
Why do you think world's press are showing the children dead in Lebanon?

I tell you what I thought Ariel Sharon was a terrible ruthless leader but even he would not allow the wreckless way in which Isarel has handled this war as a former general. It's one thing to fight Palestinians with tanks what you both claim is your land but it's another to attack another nation which you think might or might not have 2 prisoners that are your people. They seriously dropped the ball on this. Sharon wouldnt have even allowed (why do think he hasnt crossed over outside of Palestine?)

As an American who's lived in the middle east and family has a military history there I am familar with what's going on, and these are simply screwing in a massive way and creating more enemies for themselves.

[kainedamo]

It's rediculous. The argument that Israel is defending themselves and fighting terrorists... the evidence just doesn't back it up.

Israel are waging war against a nation, plain and simple, and creating more Hezbollah while they do it.

Simple question here. It's estimated that Israel have killed about 30 Hezbollah. HOW MANY MORE NOW WANT TO JOIN HEZBOLLAH???

[Super_Ludacris]

I'm not even pro-hezzbollah/anti-Isareli btw, I just know that there's certain way to deal with wars outside of the West bank region and Isarel and failed on a massive level that would make Sharon roll in his coma....

[Jolie_Desastre]

I'm not even pro-hezzbollah/anti-Isareli btw, I just know that there's certain way to deal with wars outside of the West bank region and Isarel and failed on a massive level that would make Sharon roll in his coma....



niether am i. and i'm lebanese-american

[SentinelMind]

Actually, it was a 2-day airstrike ceasefire..they didn't cease all other forms of attack.......

But I agree this is getting out of control, it's really disgusting that every loss of life of Lebanon civilians is just brushed aside as "justified casualties" and that restraining their military even the slightest isn't justified. All you are doing is inciting more Hezbollah support.

Actually, I stand corrected. Apparently, they broke their airstrike ceasefire as well.

[squeekness]

See? This is a complicated problem. We can't even agree on our perspectives and Jolie aside, none of us are even in the thick of it. This thing is not going to be solved quickly and don't think bombs are the answer either. Even if the bombing and fighting stops, they will still argue because there are people on both sides who aren't going to let any of this go. It's just how people are. No one forgives anyone anymore. :(

[kainedamo]

They did? Well that's just lovely.

[Hooligan32]

Personaly, I think that if we abolished organised religion none of this would happen.

[Gamma Ray]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/31/HAMAS.TMP


Couldn't find any good articles, but the point is conveyed there.


http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/5.jpg http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/15.jpg http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/20.jpg http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/23.jpg


They grow up so fast!

[kainedamo]

I love propeganda.

[Hooligan32]

A shame children have to carry weapons to protect themselves from terrorists. :o

[JLBats]

I think celldog already made this thread.

[Hooligan32]

I think celldog already made this thread. Was it funny at all when he did it?:confused:

[Gamma Ray]

What a shock! The two terrorist-group-supporters are first to chime in.

[Hooligan32]

I don't support Israel or the United States.

[kainedamo]

Those kids have to defend themselves somehow you know!

[Tsunulia]

http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/5.jpg
Kill em good, son.



http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/15.jpg
STUPID WINDOWS 98!!GET BILL GATES IN HERE!YOU SAID WINDOWS 98 WOULD BE BETTER!!!




http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/20.jpg
What's happenin' hotstuff?




http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/23.jpg
You just gone and done the dumbest thing in your whole life.

[Super_Ludacris]

Actually, I stand corrected. Apparently, they broke their airstrike ceasefire as well.


You see what I mean? It creates a distrust to the UN and angers the region by doing basic screwups

[kainedamo]

Nobody agrees with this extremist stuff. No child should be given a gun or made to be a soldier.

But you have to understand. Palestine is poverty stricken. This kind of thing happens in poverty stricken places. The people get desperate, (some) people join extremists, the extremists give guns to children.

[Hooligan32]

http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/5.jpg
"I wish dad wasn't dead too, mom."

http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/20.jpg
"Have you seen my mother's limbs around here?"

http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow/23.jpg
"I'd rather my parents be rich, white Americans who could ignore everything going on in the world and spend their time eating cheetos and driving Hummers, but It'll never happen because they're in pieces."

[kainedamo]

Good point Hooligan. But still, kids shouldn't be soldiers.

[Hooligan32]

Good point Hooligan. But still, kids shouldn't be soldiers. And Millions of Africans shouldn't be dying of AIDS simply because the WTO cancelled the free-trade transfer of cheap drugs from Argentina due to an American Pharma company owning the patent (example), but guess what?

[Superman4ever]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/07/31/HAMAS.TMP

They grow up so fast!

So does this little cutie!

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/1576/notjustuscrazymooslemstt5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Darthphere]

These kids are so gangsta.

[Superman4ever]

These kids are so gangsta.

Hooolla!

[Darthphere]

Like 50 Cent would be afraid of them.

[Superman4ever]

I don't support Israel or the United States.

ZING!

[Superman4ever]

Like 50 Cent would be afraid of them.

Fitty, is a gorila so he doesn't know no best!

[kainedamo]

http://news.indiainfo.com/2002/07/30/children1.jpg

Oh here's an interesting picture.

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/palestinian%20children/Israeli%20Terrorism.jpg

http://www.pcdc.edu.ps/child_image002.jpg

[Darthphere]

http://news.indiainfo.com/2002/07/30/children1.jpg

Oh here's an interesting picture.

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/Israel/palestinian%20children/Israeli%20Terrorism.jpg

http://www.pcdc.edu.ps/child_image002.jpg


What am I finding interesting?:confused:

[Slipknot]

What a shock! The two terrorist-group-supporters are first to chime in.
You're just as bad as them...

[kainedamo]

Darthphere, the dude hunched down pointing his gun at children, it's interesting how brave he is.

[Darthphere]

Darthphere, the dude hunched down pointing his gun at children, it's interesting how brave he is.


Ummm yeah, hes not actually poitning at them, use your line of sight. Good try though.

[kainedamo]

Still, he's being a scary son of a *****.

[Darthphere]

Still, he's being a scary son of a *****.


But hes not doing what you said he was. Again, nice try. And we dont know what hes looking at.

[Extromaniac]

Ummm yeah, hes not actually poitning at them, use your line of sight. Good try though.

Actually, the distance from being in the woman's path and the fact that you can visibly tell that the gun is somewhat tipped in the children's direction can give that impression.

Not to mention the fact that if the accidentally gun went off, the recoil would cause the gun to move and possibly kill the children. You're taught to NEVER point a gun anywhere near someone in gun safety, and that gun is pointed very close to the children. That would be grounds for a courtmarshall in any civilized military system.

[Darthphere]

Actually, the distance from being in the woman's path and the fact that you can visibly tell that the gun is somewhat tipped in the children's direction can give that impression.

Not to mention the fact that if the accidentally gun went off, the recoil would cause the gun to move and possibly kill the children. You're taught to NEVER point a gun anywhere near someone in gun safety, and that gun is pointed very close to the children. That would be grounds for a courtmarshall in any civilized military system.


Yeah, thats nice.

[Slipknot]

We have Gamma Ray, War Lord, celldog, Lazur, cass, and Fred_Fury on one side... and then we have kainedamo, Superman4ever, Hooligan32, raybia, and kane9321 on the other. I think everyone knows which side they are on... but I don't understand why you all are just picking one side and sticking to it to the end. Anything either side does you will defend it. If Israel were to just drop a nuclear bomb on Lebanon Gamma's side would defend it. If Hezbollah were to somehow kill thousands of innocent Israelis then kainedamo's side would defend that. Can't you people see that neither side is entirely right in this conflict? Both sides have done things which are wrong.

[Extromaniac]

Yeah, thats nice.

Yeah, that's sort of the point.

It's not a safe situation.

[Darthphere]

We have Gamma Ray, War Lord, celldog, Lazur, cass, and Fred_Fury on one side... and then we have kainedamo, Superman4ever, Hooligan32, raybia, and kane9321 on the other. I think everyone knows which side they are on... but I don't understand why you all are just picking one side and sticking to it to the end. Anything either side does you will defend it. If Israel were to just drop a nuclear bomb on Lebanon Gamma's side would defend it. If Hezbollah were to somehow kill thousands of innocent Israelis then kainedamo's side would defend that. Can't you people see that neither side is entirely right in this conflict? Both sides have done things which are wrong... both sides suck in my opinion.


*slow claps*

[Darthphere]

Yeah, that's sort of the point.

It's not a safe situation.


Well we cant tell what the situation really is from that picture. You ever stop and thing the woman and children were fleeing and the soldier was directing them to safety. No, we just assume he was going to shoot a kid.

[Hooligan32]

We have Gamma Ray, War Lord, celldog, Lazur, cass, and Fred_Fury on one side... and then we have kainedamo, Superman4ever, Hooligan32, raybia, and kane9321 on the other. I think everyone knows which side they are on... but I don't understand why you all are just picking one side and sticking to it to the end. Anything either side does you will defend it. If Israel were to just drop a nuclear bomb on Lebanon Gamma's side would defend it. If Hezbollah were to somehow kill thousands of innocent Israelis then kainedamo's side would defend that. Can't you people see that neither side is entirely right in this conflict? Both sides have done things which are wrong. Hey, I'm with you dude. I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy.

[Extromaniac]

Well we cant tell what the situation really is from that picture. You ever stop and thing the woman and children were fleeing and the soldier was directing them to safety. No, we just assume he was going to shoot a kid.

No, I'm not saying that's what's not safe about it. But the fact that the gun is pointed in within even 10 feet of the children makes the situation dangerous. Accidents happen. You shouldn't take chances like that and stick a gun near the path of the woman and children.

[Slipknot]

Hey, I'm with you dude. I'm simply pointing out hypocrisy.
Alright, sorry about that. I apologise if I mistakenly grouped you into one of those groups. :up:

[Superman4ever]

We have Gamma Ray, War Lord, celldog, Lazur, cass, and Fred_Fury on one side... and then we have kainedamo, Superman4ever, Hooligan32, raybia, and kane9321 on the other. I think everyone knows which side they are on... but I don't understand why you all are just picking one side and sticking to it to the end. Anything either side does you will defend it. If Israel were to just drop a nuclear bomb on Lebanon Gamma's side would defend it. If Hezbollah were to somehow kill thousands of innocent Israelis then kainedamo's side would defend that. Can't you people see that neither side is entirely right in this conflict? Both sides have done things which are wrong.

WRONG! Have you read any of my posts? I'm an extreme hard-liner against these terrorist groups (I condemn it FULL-heartedly -- under NO condition is it allowed in the Qur'an or in Islam, and there is NO way that I can justify it!), but to paint ONLY the Arab side as the "evil" side is wickedly ignorant. It's such a horrific suggestion...the "other side" is just as bad. Both sides have a LOT of problems and misguided issues that need to be addressed and acting as irresponsible as Gamma-ray only makes things worse.

If I started a thread, with that picture of the little girl on the tank, and stated "look, these ****ers are just as screwed up as the Arabs!" I would have been vilified as an Anti-Semite, even though my family is half-Jewish, and the fact that I actually supported Israel against Hezbollah initially, and considered the killing of the 6 soldiers and kidnapping an act of war.

[Erundur]

WRONG! Have you read any of my posts? I'm an extreme hard-liner against these terrorist groups (I condemn it FULL-heartedly -- under NO condition is it allowed in the Qur'an or in Islam, and there is NO way that I can justify it!), but to paint ONLY the Arab side as the "evil" side is wickedly ignorant. It's such a horrific suggestion...the "other side" is just as bad. Both sides have a LOT of problems and misguided issues that need to be addressed and acting as irresponsible as Gamma-ray only makes things worse.

If I started a thread, with that picture of the little girl on the tank, and stated "look, these ****ers are just as screwed up as the Arabs!" I would have been vilified as an Anti-Semite, even though my family is half-Jewish, and the fact that I actually supported Israel against Hezbollah initially, and considered the killing of the 6 soldiers and kidnapping an act of war.

My love for you has increased tenfold :(:up::o:supes:

[Superman4ever]

My love for you has increased tenfold :(:up::o:supes:

LOL :up: :(

Hold me!

[Man-Thing]

What a shock! The two terrorist-group-supporters are first to chime in.

lol.

And seriously, you can clearly see that the Israli children are not in training for warfare.:rolleyes:

[Speedball]

Like 50 Cent would be afraid of them.
He's afraid of his own shadow.
If he saw these kids, he'd die of shock(and possibly an overdose of weed.)

[Superman4ever]

lol.

And seriously, you can clearly see that the Israli children are not in training for warfare.:rolleyes:

lol.

Really, and that's why EVERYONE in Israel must serve in the military? :rolleyes:

[Speedball]

OMG!
I've dreamed of this place my whole life.
Too bad it's so far away.
yeah, too bad:rolleyes:

What a bunch of hypocrites. "We don't want war, but we are gonna train our 5 year old how to blow up a building just in case."

[Superman4ever]

OMG!
I've dreamed of this place my whole life.
Too bad it's so far away.
yeah, too bad:rolleyes:

What a bunch of hypocrites. "We don't want war, but we are gonna train our 5 year old how to blow up a building just in case."

I know that girl on that tank is shocking...I don't think she's doing it right, though! But, get 'em young...:up:

[Mr Sparkle]

lol.

And seriously, you can clearly see that the Israli children are not in training for warfare.:rolleyes:

:confused: maybe because their army overpowers all other surrounding nations to the point where they don't have to.
perhaps if the other nations had a neat air force like Israel, perhaps if they had the weaponry Israel posseses we wouldn't see this.
but that's not going to happen, because the US, much like you, has already picked it's Horse.

how did Lazur put it in another thread? oh yeah, Silence equals agreement, so when the US did not condemn Israel's overreaction well, I guess they agree with slaughtering civillians right?
I'm glad that the terrorists don't value life like the US does.

otherwise we'd be screwed.:o

[Man-Thing]

lol.

Really, and that's why EVERYONE in Israel must serve in the military? :rolleyes:

so three year old little girls must serve in the army.:rolleyes:

LOL

[The Dude]

OMG!
I've dreamed of this place my whole life.
Too bad it's so far away.
yeah, too bad:rolleyes:

What a bunch of hypocrites. "We don't want war, but we are gonna train our 5 year old how to blow up a building just in case."

"What did you learn at summer camp Timmy"
"How to pich a tent, make a fire, and how to make a sucide bomb to use on Isreli civilians."

It's sick.

[Speedball]

"What did you learn at summer camp Timmy"
"How to pich a tent, make a fire, and how to make a sucide bomb to use on Isreli civilians."

It's sick.
It really is isn't it?
Why not just fire the entire army and allow the children to take it's place?
We can always have more kids..
What a bunch of total Bulls***.

[Man-Thing]

:confused: maybe because their army overpowers all other surrounding nations to the point where they don't have to.
perhaps if the other nations had a neat air force like Israel, perhaps if they had the weaponry Israel posseses we wouldn't see this.
but that's not going to happen, because the US, much like you, has already picked it's Horse.

how did Lazur put it in another thread? oh yeah, Silence equals agreement, so when the US did not condemn Israel's overreaction well, I guess they agree with slaughtering civillians right?
I'm glad that the terrorists don't value life like the US does.

otherwise we'd be screwed.:o

blah,blah,blah,blah

could you show me one post where regarding this situation where you were not biased against Israel? So don't tell me anything about picking horses.

Scream human rights all you want, Israel was attacked and now they have retaliated. Sorry they didn't surrender to the savage terrorists of Hezzbolah. I'm sorry Hezzbolah is using HUMAN SHIELDS to make Israel look bad.

In the end, it's easy to sit at your computer playing Mr. Humaitarian and say things like "Israel is being over aggressive". It's easy for me to say "this is just war", but you are right. It's sad to see CHILDREN killed on both sides, but in the end Israel is the MOST innocent of the two camps IMO, because this wasn't pre-emptive, it is retalitory.

The Lebanese who don't support Hezzbolah need to step up, so they don't end up being killed, that is if they don't support Hezzbolah, but seeing as how they have seats in their government (what is it twelve?) I don't see that happening.

I'm just ready for this to be over.
and I love you.

[Mr Sparkle]

blah,blah,blah,blah

could you show me one post where regarding this situation where you were not biased against Israel? So don't tell me anything about picking horses.

Scream human rights all you want, Israel was attacked and now they have retaliated. Sorry they didn't surrender to the savage terrorists of Hezzbolah. I'm sorry Hezzbolah is using HUMAN SHIELDS to make Israel look bad.

In the end, it's easy to sit at your computer playing Mr. Humaitarian and say things like "Israel is being over aggressive". It's easy for me to say "this is just war", but you are right. It's sad to see CHILDREN killed on both sides, but in the end Israel is the MOST innocent of the two camps IMO, because this wasn't pre-emptive, it is retalitory.

The Lebanese who don't support Hezzbolah need to step up, so they don't end up being killed, that is if they don't support Hezzbolah, but seeing as how they have seats in their government (what is it twelve?) I don't see that happening.

I'm just ready for this to be over.
and I love you.

all my posts lack bias against Israel OR hezbolah, the difference? I can actually see when the supossed good guys are ****ing up..BADLY and acting like idiots , can you HOnestly tell me that if a Palestinian attack had killed 34 children and 12 women out 57 people you wouldn't be in a froth about it?

well how come you can't be angry at Israel for doing exactly that ALL civs, is that not terrorism?, just because you change the name to collateral damage doesn't make them any less dead or any less innocent.

Israel had 2 soldiers Kidnaped, that's an attack? how about the palestinians and lebanese IT kidnaps? do they not count? I'm truly sorry lebanese lives mean so little to you that you just think that they are being Used to make Israel "Look Bad" by the mean Hezbolah. I'm sure that Israel had no idea those areas where populated.

I mean, c'mon, you even blame the victims because they need to step up?
riiiiiight. :up:
of course, again, 2 soldiers kidnaped and 700 innocent lebanese dead, and you still "proudly support Israel"I don't know if you took the star of david out your sig , I didn't bother looking.
see, the best thing is that you claim that Israel is the MOST innocent.

again, that seems to be license for killing innocents in your world view I guess.
see, the thing Is , I don't dislike you, but I do dislike your attitude and the duplicity within it, condeming one group for killing innocents, and justifying another for the EXACT SAME THING.

odd huh?

[kainedamo]

We have Gamma Ray, War Lord, celldog, Lazur, cass, and Fred_Fury on one side... and then we have kainedamo, Superman4ever, Hooligan32, raybia, and kane9321 on the other. I think everyone knows which side they are on... but I don't understand why you all are just picking one side and sticking to it to the end. Anything either side does you will defend it. If Israel were to just drop a nuclear bomb on Lebanon Gamma's side would defend it. If Hezbollah were to somehow kill thousands of innocent Israelis then kainedamo's side would defend that. Can't you people see that neither side is entirely right in this conflict? Both sides have done things which are wrong.


That's the difference Slipknot. I would never defend that.

[kainedamo]

People have an amazingly short memory. The entire reason Hezbollah kidnapped those soldiers is because Israel has a large amount of innocent people in their prisons.

[Hooligan32]

blah,blah,blah,blah

I'm just ready for this to be over. No you aren't. You love the violence and love the fact that arabs are being killed. Your posts smack of war-mongering and racism.

[raybia]

Personaly, I think that if we abolished organised religion none of this would happen.

This would have little bearing on the situation. Those who are using religion to promote their agenda would just find some other ideology to do the same.

[cass]

We have Gamma Ray, War Lord, celldog, Lazur, cass, and Fred_Fury on one side... and then we have kainedamo, Superman4ever, Hooligan32, raybia, and kane9321 on the other....If Israel were to just drop a nuclear bomb on Lebanon Gamma's side would defend it...

I sure as hell would not support an Israeli launched nuke on any country.

[rodhulk]

No, I'm not canadian.

Look back upon the thread, I have said repeatedly what I think of Hezbolah.
however, Hezbolah hasn't killed 700 civillians in the last week.Israel has a choice of letting their own citizens die if they don't do anything, or having many lebanese citizens die by doing something.

A nation's responsibility is to protect it's own citizens at any cost, if needed. To protect it's citizens, it must go at war in Lebanon and, I don't like it any more than you do, but Lebanese citizens will perish.

Since the Lebanese govt hasn't done anything about Hezbollah, Israel 'has' to make a decision..... who perishes... Israeli's or Lebanese? We know who they must choose (their own citizen's, the israeli's).

This applies to any country, too, hence why USA went to war in the middle east in the last while.. The Lebanese govt has a full right to fight Israel in this as well since Israel is bombing in their country.

[rodhulk]

If Isarel was smart they would know what Hezzbollah was doing this and use there ground small units that they claim to have instead of bomibing villages by air.
And how come all we've seen is nothing but dead children? There attacks and justifications have failed to produce what they were looking for and only created more questions (hence why the whole world looking at them in bemusemeant and disgust)

What about killing the UN officials. You saw the report. They knew the UN officials were in the building, they fired on them 13 times and then dropped a bomb. Why do you think the UN is pissed. Did you watch the news on Tuesday when it happened? Dude, they openly admitted they knew they were UN officals and killed them anyway.....why?

And again this is why even the strongest Isareli supporters arguments come across feeble. They keep on saying "Hezzbollah is in there, there in there" yet they dont even get the authority from the Lebeanon goverment. They go in there and what do they have to show for it? Dead children and dead UN officals

You mentioned the dead Isarelis. I'm glad you did , cause you do realise they are more dead lebeanese than Isarelis at a staggering 4:1 ratio? They didnt even allow Lebanon to get the civillans out. Dont believe me? Type it in a search engine and look at the staggering imbalance of dead on each side ( and yes 2 wrongs dont make a right, but at the end of the day Isarel is the only side in this war an official sanctioned army of a country whereas Hezzbollah is a group of terrorists. They as an army should know better on how to strategise)

Why do you think people in Europe (Jews too) are protesting there actions and asking for a ceasfire? Why do you think Condellezza Rice is trying (and failing as usual) to get Isarel to halt.
Why do you think Bush and Blair are at a stalepoint. Blair is sympathetic to Lebanon because he knows what's wrong and is pleading with Bush.
Why do you think world's press are showing the children dead in Lebanon?

I tell you what I thought Ariel Sharon was a terrible ruthless leader but even he would not allow the wreckless way in which Isarel has handled this war as a former general. It's one thing to fight Palestinians with tanks what you both claim is your land but it's another to attack another nation which you think might or might not have 2 prisoners that are your people. They seriously dropped the ball on this. Sharon wouldnt have even allowed (why do think he hasnt crossed over outside of Palestine?)

As an American who's lived in the middle east and family has a military history there I am familar with what's going on, and these are simply screwing in a massive way and creating more enemies for themselves.In war, there is usually casualties. I'm not sure of the exact reason why Israel bombed the UN building, so let's just wait.

Of course, I don't believe they bombed it on purpose to attack the UN.

It doesn't matter about the numbers on how many are being killed (Israeli to Lebanese). As I said above to Mr. Sparkle, Israel has a choice to defend it's citizens or let it's citizens die. The choice, as for any country, is to defend it's citizens and as bad as the death toll is in Lebanon, seriously, I don't like it, that's the result of war, I'm sad to say.

Israel has made their choice to protect it's citizens. The Lebanese govt can make that choice, too, and take on Israel if they want.

And BTW, you are only throwing out some references as to many Europen Jews being against Israel. That's only what you're seeing. There are many who support Israel as well. Many, many. Plus, many of these Europen Jews don't live in Israel and aren't under that day to day threat, so they can't relate. And not only that, many of them are afraid to support Israel (in which they really do) because of possible hate crimes that would be done against them.

[Jolie_Desastre]

i have some evacuation pics coming up soon maybe in the next few days

[kainedamo]

It doesn't matter about the numbers on how many are being killed (Israeli to Lebanese).


Of course it matters. There are rules of war. There are laws and regulations, like the Geneva convention. People aren't angry with Israel because they responded to an attack, people are angry with Israel because their response is too heavy handed. What is the sense in killing, what is it now, 700 civilians if you're only going to kill a very small handfull of Hezbollah? Despite what the US thinks, you can't just go around blowing people up everytime terrorists attack. There are better ways to deal with terrorism. See Ireland. How many British soldiers have the IRA killed over the years? According to the logic of "defending yourself at any cost", Britain would have been justified in a full scale nvasion of Ireland, which would have killed a heck of alot of civilians.

On Bloody Sunday, over 30 innocent people were shot dead by British soldiers in Ireland. It's said that there were record numbers of recruits for the IRA after the massacre.

How many people do you think are lining up to join Hezbollah???

[rodhulk]

To Jolie,

Be interested in seeing them. Were you evacuated?

[kainedamo]

To Jolie,

Be interested in seeing them. Were you evacuated?


Lame.

[Jolie_Desastre]

yup got back last week.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I have not read anything in this particular topic but feel compelled to say Israel and America are in bed with eachother and its a shame so many Americans believe what the limited media presents them. We cry over 2 Israeli soldiers while 1000's of Palestinians die. Whatever :down

[rodhulk]

Of course it matters. There are rules of war. There are laws and regulations, like the Geneva convention. People aren't angry with Israel because they responded to an attack, people are angry with Israel because their response is too heavy handed. What is the sense in killing, what is it now, 700 civilians if you're only going to kill a very small handfull of Hezbollah? Despite what the US thinks, you can't just go around blowing people up everytime terrorists attack. There are better ways to deal with terrorism. See Ireland. How many British soldiers have the IRA killed over the years? According to the logic of "defending yourself at any cost", Britain would have been justified in a full scale nvasion of Ireland, which would have killed a heck of alot of civilians.

On Bloody Sunday, over 30 innocent people were shot dead by British soldiers in Ireland. It's said that there were record numbers of recruits for the IRA after the massacre.

How many people do you think are lining up to join Hezbollah???1) I am not favoring Israel over Lebanon in terms of liking Israel more. Note I've also said the Lebanese govt has the right to fight back against Israel. Every country has that right.

2) Israel is not saying, "let's kill Lebanese citizens because we don't like them." But if there are citizens around the area where Hezbollah are, then it is unfortunate, but Israel can still fire away because as I said, it's either their citizens or the Lebanese. A country always has to choose the other.

You see, when you have a chance to take out some of the enemy, then even if some citizens are around, you have to fire away because you may not get that second chance, or at least not until after they've killed more of your own citizens.

It's a touchy subject, but I feel that's the way it is when I look at 'a country must protect it's own citizens first and foremost.'

[kainedamo]

What about a country's ideals? Where do they come?

[rodhulk]

Lame.hahahahahahahahaha!

[rodhulk]

yup got back last week.bet you have stories to tell!

[Jolie_Desastre]

oh yesh

[rodhulk]

What about a country's ideals? Where do they come?I think this has been (maybe indirectly) answered already. A country first and foremost must remain in power and as I have said oft times, to protect it's citizens.

The loss of civilian life in Lebanon, yes, tragic, it does sometimes get to me when it happens, however, it may also be saving Israeli lives because if you don't take out the bad guy when there are civilians around, then the bad guy may get a second chance at taking your own (Israeli) lives.

'Strategy' at protecting your own citizens is the word here.

[rodhulk]

oh yeshDo you have family (still) there?

[Jolie_Desastre]

yup all my relatives except my mom's cousin in boston with her family.my mom's uncle in france. my uncle in detroit with his family, and my cousin in california. that may seem like a few. but i have a huge ass family. i actually have black cousin's in africa too.

but the rest are in lebanon :(

[rodhulk]

Well, I'll hope for the best for your family in Lebanon, Jolie.

[Jolie_Desastre]

thanks man. my relatives in south lebanon all got out ok. it was pretty tuff since all the bridges were destroyed.

most of them are in yallay (sp?) which is the safest place to be in lebanon now. that and in the hamra in beirut

[Mr Sparkle]

Israel has a choice of letting their own citizens die if they don't do anything, or having many lebanese citizens die by doing something.

A nation's responsibility is to protect it's own citizens at any cost, if needed. To protect it's citizens, it must go at war in Lebanon and, I don't like it any more than you do, but Lebanese citizens will perish.

Since the Lebanese govt hasn't done anything about Hezbollah, Israel 'has' to make a decision..... who perishes... Israeli's or Lebanese? We know who they must choose (their own citizen's, the israeli's).

This applies to any country, too, hence why USA went to war in the middle east in the last while.. The Lebanese govt has a full right to fight Israel in this as well since Israel is bombing in their country.

actually, as near as I can remember 2 soldiers where kidnaped and held for ransom (exchange for prisonners). I have no knowledge of this coming Genocide the Israel where going to experience. :down:o

[rodhulk]

actually, as near as I can remember 2 soldiers where kidnaped and held for ransom (exchange for prisonners). I have no knowledge of this coming Genocide the Israel where going to experience. :down:oIt's alot more than that. Many, many Israeli citizens have died!

What news channels are you watching? :confused:

[rodhulk]

thanks man. my relatives in south lebanon all got out ok. it was pretty tuff since all the bridges were destroyed.

most of them are in yallay (sp?) which is the safest place to be in lebanon now. that and in the hamra in beirutWell, that's great to hear. I guess you won't be going back there any time soon. LOL

[Mr Sparkle]

It's alot more than that. Many, many Israeli citizens have died!

What news channels are you watching? :confused:

it would seem, a lot more than you.
honestly now.:o

[kane9321]

just happened

BEIRUT - Israeli air strikes killed at least 40 civilians in Lebanon and a Hizbollah rocket barrage into Israel killed three people on Friday in a worsening conflict that world powers disagree on how to halt. One air strike hit a farm near Qaa, close to the Syrian border in the Bekaa Valley where workers, mostly Syrian Kurds, were loading plums and peaches on to trucks, local officials said. They said 33 people were killed and 20 wounded.

[squeekness]

This whole thing just plain sucks. :( So many lives ruined and wasted.

[TrailerCues]

& Bush is on vacation while the rest of the World is in hell

[War Lord]

& Bush is on vacation while the rest of the World is in hell

You're just getting a taste of what the world is like without the stability the US provides.

You like?

[Fred_Fury]

& Bush is on vacation while the rest of the World is in hell

the world is in hell!!! i know cause i read it on the internet!! its so horrible outside my basement!!

[Hooligan32]

^ "argh...must...protect....president...Bush. Must...not...be...unpatriotic. Wave...flag. Wave...flag. These...colors...don't...run. argh."

[rodhulk]

it would seem, a lot more than you.
honestly now.:oNo, seriously, what channels are you watching? You just seem to be so clued out! :confused:

[Mr Sparkle]

No, seriously, what channels are you watching? You just seem to be so clued out! :confused:

LOL yeah, totally:):up:
you seem unable to answer a question.:o

[Mr Sparkle]

You're just getting a taste of what the world is like without the stability the US provides.

You like?

Dood, so sad.:down

[Bicho Azul Live]

ISRAEL AUTORITYS SUCKS!!!
LEBANON AUTORITYS SUCKS!!!
HEZHBOLA SUCKS!!!!
BUSH SUCKS!!!!


So many People dyng.

[rodhulk]

LOL yeah, totally:):up:
you seem unable to answer a question.:ohehe..... your questions have all been answered. It's just not what you wanted to hear, I gues the truth hurts...... :o

[Mr Sparkle]

hehe..... your questions have all been answered. It's just not what you wanted to hear, I gues the truth hurts...... :o

no actually you, well, didn't answer anything yet.
you might think you did, but you're again, kinda proving my point.

thanks though, the hilarity of misplaced feelings of righteous superiority is always welcome by me, especially on slow friday afternoons 10 minutes before quittin' time.

[rodhulk]

no actually you, well, didn't answer anything yet.
you might think you did, but you're again, kinda proving my point.

thanks though, the hilarity of misplaced feelings of righteous superiority is always welcome by me, especially on slow friday afternoons 10 minutes before quittin' time.riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! :o

As the answers to your questions I gave recently suggest, the truth hurts!

[cass]

Iran admits it supplies Hezbollah with rockets:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525807791&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

[rodhulk]

Iran admits it supplies Hezbollah with rockets:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1154525807791&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Yeah, I just caught that on CNN.

[Topdawg]

Hezbollah needs to defend themselfes so....

[cass]

Hezbollah needs to defend themselfes so....

:rolleyes: If they hadn't provoked this war, they wouldn't have to worry about defending themselves.

[Mr Sparkle]

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! :o

As the answers to your questions I gave recently suggest, the truth hurts!

LOL. I get it, you're like 14 and just discovered politics and world affairs and stuff good onya :up: you still look a like a moron with those statements, instead of "watching"the news I suggest you pick up a book and read some history, before you make a further ass of yourself.:)

[Jolie_Desastre]

:rolleyes: If they hadn't provoked this war, they wouldn't have to worry about defending themselves.

this war has been going on longer than you think

[rodhulk]

LOL. I get it, you're like 14 and just discovered politics and world affairs and stuff good onya :up: you still look a like a moron with those statements, instead of "watching"the news I suggest you pick up a book and read some history, before you make a further ass of yourself.:)hahahahahahahaha!



Seriously, though, judging by your responses and misinformed info on the middle east, are you being serious or just kiddin' around?

[kainedamo]

100, 000 people protested in the streets of London, demanding an immediate ceasefire.

The British really kick ass when it comes to this kind of thing. They protested in record numbers before the Iraq war, and now again they show their numbers.

Why aren't Americans as passionate or moved to protest in such large numbers? You used to be. Back in the Vietnam war. What happpened? Get yourselves out there and protest!

[kainedamo]

I love the British. The British would so totally revolt if Blair pushed them too much.

I don't have the same faith in the American people. It's unfortunate.

[Gamma Ray]

I love the British. The British would so totally revolt if Blair pushed them too much.

I don't have the same faith in the American people. It's unfortunate.


Not sure anyone cares...

[Kurosawa]

100, 000 people protested in the streets of London, demanding an immediate ceasefire.

The British really kick ass when it comes to this kind of thing. They protested in record numbers before the Iraq war, and now again they show their numbers.

Why aren't Americans as passionate or moved to protest in such large numbers? You used to be. Back in the Vietnam war. What happpened? Get yourselves out there and protest!

Because we realize that Isreal is in the right on this one, Adolf.

[thedeadite]

Adolf?? really, is that needed.....

[Kurosawa]

It's absolutely needed. Because that's what it's really all about anyway. Ignorant hatred an bigotry.

[Topdawg]

Israel is WAY overreacting.

[JLBats]

Israel is WAY overreacting.

STFU, Hitler.

[Topdawg]

chill out.

But they are overreacting.

[thedeadite]

please tell me this hasn't gone back to the "disagree with isreal = you're a bigot" bs.

[Topdawg]

it just has.

[JLBats]

I actually made the Hitler comment as a satirical jab at Kurosawa calling kainedamo Adolf, but whatever.

[Topdawg]

why did you quote me then?

[JLBats]

why did you quote me then?

Because you criticised Israel. So I made a similar comment to the one Kurosawa made when someone criticised Israel.

Seriously though, STFU Hitler.

[Topdawg]

oh....ok.

[Topdawg]

^ Morgsdeadears wtf?

[JLBats]

If Hezbollah attacks Morg and no one else is around...does it makes a sound?

Lemayo.

[maxwell's demon]

Lemayo.

i hate you, Pol Pot.

[JLBats]

i hate you, Pol Pot.

I love you. I tried not to love you, but I couldn't do it.

:cmad:

[maxwell's demon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/maxwellsdemon123/charlie9.jpg

[maxwell's demon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/maxwellsdemon123/charlie5.jpg

[maxwell's demon]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v477/maxwellsdemon123/charlie2.jpg

[maxwell's demon]

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/image.php?u=5186&dateline=1136958372

[maxwell's demon]

you just rocked my world.

[JLBats]

...your sig makes it look like I was confused but aroused by the concept of a German assface.

[Mr Sparkle]

hahahahahahahaha!



Seriously, though, judging by your responses and misinformed info on the middle east, are you being serious or just kiddin' around?

LOL, you just keep digging that hole sport.
you're doin'fine :up:

again.

LOL:) "misinformed info" you tried for condescension and projected only retardation.

[Spider-Bite]

what's funny is that in Iraq the ****es majority which we put in power whom the Insurgents despise and want to overule, now wish to join up with Iran and Syria and bring death to Israel and the US.

not only that but now they want women to keep thmselves covered from head to toe again. you know under Saddam as brutal as he was in just 15 years he strenghtened woman's rights and improved education to bring the countries liticerary rate from 5% to 70%. I'm starting to wonder if his brutal tactics for staying in power was actually the lesser evil compared to letting his opponents take control. I mean really they would have been worse. Even though I have opposed the Iraqi invasion since the beginning, I still admitted Saddam was a horrible person and a cruel dictator, but now?

I wonder if we are really in a position to judge. He had a different situation with desperate choices. Maybe he simply picked the lesser of two evils and in the scheme of things did what was best for Iraq. sure according to some he used meat grinders and stuff, but a dictatorship does that to you it makes you crazy. and maybe without it, he would have lost his power, which apparently would be worse since it is worse. I don't know if it's even true anyways. they say they found rape rooms. "how do they know they are rape rooms?" A room is a room. Maybe they were just ordinary prisoner cells. I don't believe everything I hear (cough/WMDS/cough)

I'm not sure anymore if I can really call him evil.

[Superman4ever]

Not sure anyone cares...

Then why do stupid people like you ask "why do they hate us?" :confused:

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/4/7/2/472a480a00484fdcda0cd0df0f651c30.gif

[Edenbeast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWmQEaA6OKI

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14258.htm

Superman4ever you might like these and any of you who still has a human heart.

[kainedamo]

Because we realize that Isreal is in the right on this one, Adolf.


How dare you label me as an ignorant bigot.

[maxwell's demon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWmQEaA6OKI

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14258.htm

Superman4ever you might like these and any of you who still has a human heart.
\\wow.

everyone should watch these. especially the first one.

[TheSumOfGod]

"I support Israel! Anyone who doesn't agree is a Nazi!"

"I DON'T support Israel! Because Israel is now acting like a bunch of Nazis!"

"Nazi!"

"NAZI!!!"

[squeekness]

what's funny is that in Iraq the ****es majority which we put in power whom the Insurgents despise and want to overule, now wish to join up with Iran and Syria and bring death to Israel and the US.

not only that but now they want women to keep thmselves covered from head to toe again. you know under Saddam as brutal as he was in just 15 years he strenghtened woman's rights and improved education to bring the countries liticerary rate from 5% to 70%. I'm starting to wonder if his brutal tactics for staying in power was actually the lesser evil compared to letting his opponents take control. I mean really they would have been worse. Even though I have opposed the Iraqi invasion since the beginning, I still admitted Saddam was a horrible person and a cruel dictator, but now?

I wonder if we are really in a position to judge. He had a different situation with desperate choices. Maybe he simply picked the lesser of two evils and in the scheme of things did what was best for Iraq. sure according to some he used meat grinders and stuff, but a dictatorship does that to you it makes you crazy. and maybe without it, he would have lost his power, which apparently would be worse since it is worse. I don't know if it's even true anyways. they say they found rape rooms. "how do they know they are rape rooms?" A room is a room. Maybe they were just ordinary prisoner cells. I don't believe everything I hear (cough/WMDS/cough)

I'm not sure anymore if I can really call him evil.It's hard in situations like this to decide which is best. Sometimes removing from someone from power only lets someone worse in as you said. I just don't understand why the people sit still for it. I mean, who volunteers to have a oppressive dictatiorship come in? Maybe they just don't know any other way. :(

[Superman4ever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWmQEaA6OKI

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14258.htm

Superman4ever you might like these and any of you who still has a human heart.

Wow...the 2:30 mark in that second video is heart-breaking. My G-d...:(

Thanks for posting those Eden! :up:

[rodhulk]

LOL, you just keep digging that hole sport.
you're doin'fine :up:

again.

LOL:) "misinformed info" you tried for condescension and projected only retardation.Well, I guess you answered my question.

Maybe there'll be hope for you in the future! :up: :)

[GreenKToo]

Hezbolloah just hit Haifa with rocket attacks.many feared dead,and the cease fire is in danger before it even started.

[TrailerCues]

the cease fire is in danger before it even started.

I wonder how long before the U.S. realizes that talking wont work in this situation. First they agreed to not attack anything for a while then they broke that promise & now they were open to negotians thats not happening it seems. They are really pushing their luck

[Superman4ever]

Hezbolloah just hit Haifa with rocket attacks.many feared dead,and the cease fire is in danger before it even started.

It's not like Israel stopped it's bombadment before the Haifa hit, so I fail to see your point.


Hezbollah's deadliest single attack of the conflict hit earlier Sunday near Kfar Giladi, when a rocket strike killed 12 Israeli soldiers.

What was Israels deadliest attack on Lebanon?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/06/mideast.main/index.html

BTW, Lebanon rejected the terms of the cease-fire, so again your point really makes no sense at all:

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2006-08/06/01.shtml

[GreenKToo]

Its an escalation,because that is way south in Israel.It's not like Israel stopped it's bombadment before the Haifa hit, so I fail to see your point.




What was Israels deadliest attack on Lebanon?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/06/mideast.main/index.html

BTW, Lebanon rejected the terms of the cease-fire, so again your point really makes no sense at all:

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2006-08/06/01.shtml

[Mr Sparkle]

Well, I guess you answered my question.

Maybe there'll be hope for you in the future! :up: :)


LOL, poor rodhulk, wanted to talk with the adults and in the end....
well.

"hope for you in the future"LOL, this would be sad, where it not coming from someone so obviously ignorant, which makes it funny.:o

[Mr Sparkle]

Wow...the 2:30 mark in that second video is heart-breaking. My G-d...:(


Isn't it though?
I think My girl caught me tearing up. and she did as well. that whole "Love received" was, well....damn.

[squeekness]

If they reallly wanted the cease fire, both sides would be actively negotiating. I think right now, both sides are still too angry to want to stop. :(

[GreenKToo]

I agree.one side hits the other,then vise versa.It will never stop it appears.If they reallly wanted the cease fire, both sides would be actively negotiating. I think right now, both sides are still too angry to want to stop. :(

[TLATOANI]

It's not like Israel stopped it's bombadment before the Haifa hit, so I fail to see your point.




What was Israels deadliest attack on Lebanon?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/06/mideast.main/index.html

BTW, Lebanon rejected the terms of the cease-fire, so again your point really makes no sense at all:

http://islamonline.net/English/News/2006-08/06/01.shtml


i support your comment 100% man!!!!


I am in favor of the arabs they should put jewish out of the middle east

[Spider-Bite]

there are no good guys or bad guys in their wars. they are both angry about event sof the past, and they both cry the other one started when the truth is the ones who started it aren't even alive anymore. we should butt out let them have their wars and hope that eventually they get sick of war. untill we do that they will always blame us and never learn anything.

[squeekness]

I heard on the news that Hezbollah is threatening to send rockets as far as Jerusalem. Wouldn't it be delightfully ironic if they aimed for the Wailing Wall and hit the Dome of the Rock by accident? It would be symbolic of how terribly stupid this whole engagement has been.

[Spider-Bite]

I heard on the news that Hezbollah is threatening to send rockets as far as Jerusalem. Wouldn't it be delightfully ironic if they aimed for the Wailing Wall and hit the Dome of the Rock by accident? It would be symbolic of how terribly stupid this whole engagement has been.

I know. Hezbollah had to hav eknown theat when he ordered his militia to kidnap those soldiers it wasn't going to get his prisoners released.

and Israel? they really didn't use their brain at all. what were they hoping to accomplish by going to war when they know Iran and Syria are going to gain up on them? they didn't use diplomecy at all, or even give it a chance. they just rushed into a war where they have turned even more people against them. Hezbollah was a terrorst who killed hundreds. Israel killed more than that trying to get em, and they never even got em. That sort of defeats the purpose, and the kettles now calling the pot black.

and now there is a major backlash because civillians now see them as butchers and terrorists, and the citizens of Lebannon who hated Hexbollah now want to join up with him.

All Israel did was make things worse. Everboy involved in that conflict is a bunch of idiots. even the ****es in Iraq who want to get involved. They can't even run their own country or manage their own government and they want to go to war?

Freaking idiots I tell ya! Freaking idiots. :down Somebody needs to go to the middle east and start passing out smart pills. All they think about is religion over there. Freaking religion is going to be the end of mankind I just know it!

[Gamma Ray]

i support your comment 100% man!!!!


I am in favor of the arabs they should put jewish out of the middle east


You seem like a very well educated individual. Thanks for your informative post.

[Spider-Bite]

You seem like a very well educated individual. Thanks for your informative post.

yes it was very well thought out.

[Superman4ever]

I heard on the news that Hezbollah is threatening to send rockets as far as Jerusalem. Wouldn't it be delightfully ironic if they aimed for the Wailing Wall and hit the Dome of the Rock by accident? It would be symbolic of how terribly stupid this whole engagement has been.

Actually I thought the same thing; me and my dad had a big laugh over it. :down It would have been a weird way of fulfilling SOG's prophecy, had it not passed already!

Today they shot rockets into Haifa and it hit an Arab neighborhood...killing Arabs.

Hours later, a barrage of rockets pounded Haifa after sunset, killing at least three people. One of the dead was a woman who died when a rocket struck her home in an Arab neighborhood, according to police and ambulance services.

told CNN that Jews and Arabs have lived together in Haifa for more than a century, and "nothing can jeopardize the harmony."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/08/06/mideast.main/index.html

[Edenbeast]

Originally Posted by Haifa Mayor Yona Yahav
told CNN that Jews and Arabs have lived together in Haifa for more than a century, and "nothing can jeopardize the harmony."


Jews and Arabs can live together in harmony (and they did before), but not Zionists.

[kainedamo]

Israel called in an airstrike on a village, up to forty believed dead.

These are early reports though and can't be confirmed.

[Edenbeast]

Olmert to Europe: Stop 'preaching'



Sunday 06 August 2006, 15:58 Makka Time, 12:58 GMT


http://english.aljazeera.net/english/Images/0000.gif
http://english.aljazeera.net/english/Images/0000.gif

Ehud Olmert, the Israeli prime minister, has told European leaders to stop preaching to him about civilian war casualties in an interview published in a German newspaper.

The article in Welt am Sonntag came as two civilians were killed in Lebanon when an Israeli aircraft struck a van travelling just ahead of a United Nations humanitarian convoy on Sunday.
When asked about criticism from European capitals of Israeli military operations that have led to a heavy civilian toll, Olmert said: "Where do they get the right to preach to Israel?

"European countries attacked Kosovo and killed 10,000 civilians. 10,000! And none of these countries had to suffer before that from a single rocket.
"I'm not saying it was wrong to intervene in Kosovo. But please, don't preach to us about the treatment of civilians."
The Israeli prime minister said it would not be possible to completely destroy Hezbollah, and insisted he did not underestimate them, saying they had fired just 3,000 of their arsenal of 15,000 rockets so far.
"The question is more: If Hezbollah knew what the consequences of their attack would be, would they nevertheless have done it? I don't think so."
"They are beaten but it is not possible to completely destroy them. Israel has nevertheless been more successful than any other country in the battle against a guerrilla organisation."
Convoy attacked
The UN said it was still seeking details but it believed a missile hit a van, killing two civilians, as it drove just in front of its convoy carrying humanitarian aid to the southern port city of Tyre.
Robin Lodge, a spokesman for the World Food Programme, said: "What we're hearing is that it was about 20 metres ahead of our convoy, but it is yet to be confirmed.
"We can't get in touch with our convoy leader because he is out of radio contact. We're trying to get more details."
Aid workers have complained that Israeli airstrikes have made it almost impossible to reach the estimated 800,000 to one million people displaced by the nearly month-old conflict.


Reuters

source: http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/1D329F29-B578-42F2-A9A5-993B4A9D549B.htm

[rodhulk]

LOL, poor rodhulk, wanted to talk with the adults and in the end....
well.

"hope for you in the future"LOL, this would be sad, where it not coming from someone so obviously ignorant, which makes it funny.:oThere ya go, proving my point about you! :o



But like I said, hope is not all lost. :up:

[rodhulk]

Jews and Arabs can live together in harmony (and they did before), but not Zionists.Don't blame the zionists, many non-jews feel the same way about not being bale to live with Israeli's.

[War Lord]

Israel called in an airstrike on a village, up to forty believed dead.

These are early reports though and can't be confirmed.

If it's the village I heard about, they've scaled back the dead to 1, but I didn't catch the name of that village.

[TheSumOfGod]

An interesting quote (read it, then see who actually said it):

"OUR RACE IS THE MASTER RACE. WE ARE DIVINE GODS ON THIS PLANET. WE ARE AS DIFFERENT FROM THE INFERIOR RACES AS THEY ARE FROM THE INSECTS. IN FACT, COMPARED TO OUR RACE, OTHER RACES ARE BEASTS AND ANIMALS, CATTLE AT BEST. OTHER RACES ARE CONSIDERED AS HUMAN EXCREMENT. OUR DESTINY IS TO RULE OVER THE INFERIOR RACES. OUR EARTHLY KINGDOM WILL BE RULED BY OUR LEADER WITH A ROD OF IRON. THE MASSES WILL LICK OUR FEET, AND SERVE US AS OUR SLAVES." - Menachem Begin (Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983)

This is what Zionism is all about, folks. This is what this whole conflict is really about. :(

[War Lord]

An interesting quote (read it, then see who actually said it):

"OUR RACE IS THE MASTER RACE. WE ARE DIVINE GODS ON THIS PLANET. WE ARE AS DIFFERENT FROM THE INFERIOR RACES AS THEY ARE FROM THE INSECTS. IN FACT, COMPARED TO OUR RACE, OTHER RACES ARE BEASTS AND ANIMALS, CATTLE AT BEST. OTHER RACES ARE CONSIDERED AS HUMAN EXCREMENT. OUR DESTINY IS TO RULE OVER THE INFERIOR RACES. OUR EARTHLY KINGDOM WILL BE RULED BY OUR LEADER WITH A ROD OF IRON. THE MASSES WILL LICK OUR FEET, AND SERVE US AS OUR SLAVES." - Menachem Begin (Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983)

This is what Zionism is all about, folks. This is what this whole conflict is really about. :(

Can you back this quote up?

Not that it matters, because every culture has those with imperial intents.

Have you heard what Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said lately.

[TheSumOfGod]

Have you heard what Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said lately.

Iran isn't blowing stuff up and killing innocent people at the moment. Israel is.

[War Lord]

Iran isn't blowing stuff up and killing innocent people at the moment. Israel is.

Iran is supplying Hezbollah armanents to blow things up and they're developing a nuclear weapon to specifically threaten the entire region and will probably end up using it when he does.

[TheSumOfGod]

Iran is supplying Hezbollah armanents to blow things up and they're developing a nuclear weapon to specifically threaten the entire region and will probably end up using it when he does.

America and the UK is supplying Israel right now, and Israel already HAS nuclear weapons, all aimed at countries that DON'T have nuclear weapons. Try again.

[War Lord]

America and the UK is supplying Israel right now, and Israel already HAS nuclear weapons, all aimed at countries that DON'T have nuclear weapons. Try again.

And we should be supplying armanents to an ally. How many times has Israel used their nuclear weapons?

Iran will use theirs when they develop them, guarenteed.

[TheSumOfGod]

And we should be supplying armanents to an ally. Israel does have nuclear weapons, but does not use them.

Iran will use theirs when they develop them, guarenteed.

Yeah, just like Iraq was gonna use it's nuclear weapons had it ever gotten any, because, as we all know, muslims are f***ing insane while christians and jews are perfectly reasonable, even when they attack other countries without true provocation. Christ, jonty, this anti-logic of yours never ceases to amaze me. :rolleyes:

[War Lord]

Yeah, just like Iraq was gonna use it's nuclear weapons had it ever gotten any, because, as we all know, muslims are f***ing insane while christians and jews are perfectly reasonable, even when they attack other countries without true provocation. Christ, jonty, this anti-logic of yours never ceases to amaze me. :rolleyes:

Iraq, under Saddam did use WMD's when they were at war with Iran. Iraq, under Saddam also used them on his own people when they got too uppity and threatened Saddam's rule.

Go back to France, where your alliance seems to lie.

[kane9321]

Iraq, under Saddam did use WMD's when they were at war with Iran. Iraq, under Saddam also used them on his own people when they got too uppity and threatened Saddam's rule.

Go back to France, where your alliance seems to lie.


and didnt america give them these weapons:up:

[TheSumOfGod]

Iraq, under Saddam did use WMD's when they were at war with Iran. Iraq, under Saddam also used them on his own people when they got too uppity and threatened Saddam's rule.

We're talking about NUKES, here, not rockets filled with mustard gas.

Go back to France, where your alliance seems to lie.

lol! :D French fries are no longer called "Freedom" fries, you know that, right? Wow, 2003 called, it wants it's nationalistic bulls**t back. :rolleyes:

[War Lord]

and didnt america give them these weapons:up:

Germany was the main supplier of wmd's.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,861902,00.html

[War Lord]

We're talking about NUKES, here, not rockets filled with mustard gas.

I'd rather have Israel with nukes than without.

[TheSumOfGod]

I'd rather have Israel with nukes than without.

Of course you would, since you are obviously completely biased towards America and it's allies. Absolutely NO ONE in the Middle-East having nuclear weapons would be a better idea. But it is extremely hypocritical and nonsensical to say that Israel should have the right to have some while Iraq, Iran and every other "rogue nation" out there shouldn't.

[War Lord]

Of course you would, since you are obviously completely biased towards America and it's allies. Absolutely NO ONE in the Middle-East having nuclear weapons would be a better idea. But it is extremely hypocritical and nonsensical to say that Israel should have the right to have some while Iraq, Iran and every other "rogue nation" out there shouldn't.

I'm a terrible person for being a staunch supporter of Western countries, I know. But I'm not going to change in that respect.

I'll support Iran's work towards nukes, after it becomes a Westernized nation and has a century of a strong human right record and it makes peace with the nations around it to the best of its ability.

[TheSumOfGod]

Democracy, especially the American version of democracy, cannot be imposed, and is found to be undesirable by many.

[War Lord]

Democracy, especially the American version of democracy, cannot be imposed, and is found to be undesirable by many.

Nobody says that it has to be an American style democracy.

Iraq looks like a democracy that is more styled after Britain, with a parliament that has a lot of power and a president that isn't as powerful.

[TheSumOfGod]

Nobody says that it has to be an American style democracy.

Iraq looks like a democracy that is more styled after Britain, with a parliament that has a lot of power and a president that isn't as powerful.

Actually, Iraq looks like a smoldering, crater-filled moonscape on the verge of civil war.

[War Lord]

Actually, Iraq looks like a smoldering, crater-filled moonscape on the verge of civil war.

It could go that way as well, but that's due to Iran more than anything else.

The last thing Iran wants is to have a stable democracy next door.

[TheSumOfGod]

lol And here I thought it was because America and some of it's allies had invaded it three years ago. :rolleyes:

[War Lord]

lol And here I thought it was because America and some of it's allies had invaded it three years ago. :rolleyes:

Not at all.

[Bicho Azul Live]

Actually, Iraq looks like a smoldering, crater-filled moonscape on the verge of civil war.

Agree 100%

PDS: What Democracy you taking about? Irak 's Goverment is a Pupet of USA.

[Mr Sparkle]

There ya go, proving my point about you! :o



But like I said, hope is not all lost. :up:

:confused: unless your point was "Rodhulk Is An Idiot" I fail to see how I helped you in anyway.
good try though, keep reaching for the stars.:up: (you'll get there sport, you'll get there)

[Mr Sparkle]

It could go that way as well, but that's due to Iran more than anything else.

The last thing Iran wants is to have a stable democracy next door.

:confused: democracies don't hurt or help Iran, specially if they are next door.
can you believe that China is not what the US calls a stable democracy, yet....

well, there you go ( I don't agree with the Chinese government, but it's pathetic for you to tow the party line Jonts, especially since, well, it's not even your party):down

[rodhulk]

:confused: unless your point was "Rodhulk Is An Idiot" I fail to see how I helped you in anyway.
good try though, keep reaching for the stars.:up: (you'll get there sport, you'll get there)Y'know, I'm starting to feel sorry for you! :)

[Mr Sparkle]

Y'know, I'm starting to feel sorry for you! :)

You know? I started that with you ages ago. but then....I thought it over:O
now you just make me laugh:up:

[Kurosawa]

How dare you label me as an ignorant bigot.

Just look at your signature.

Sounds like typical terrorist crap to me.

Tell me, do you think the holocaust was real or fake?

[Kurosawa]

Actually, Iraq looks like a smoldering, crater-filled moonscape on the verge of civil war.

That's because that's what it is.

Thanks to Bush the idiot.

[War Lord]

:confused: democracies don't hurt or help Iran, specially if they are next door.
can you believe that China is not what the US calls a stable democracy, yet....

well, there you go ( I don't agree with the Chinese government, but it's pathetic for you to tow the party line Jonts, especially since, well, it's not even your party):down

I can absolutely believe that the US doesn't consider China a stable democracy, because they DON'T HOLD FREE ELECTIONS.

[Tangled Web]

The difference between Israel and Hezbolah is that the civillian casualties caused by the Isralies are accidental. Hezbolah is just randomley launching missles into Israel killing as many people ass possible.

[War Lord]

The difference between Israel and Hezbolah is that the civillian casualties caused by the Isralies are accidental. Hezbolah is just randomley launching missles into Israel killing as many people ass possible.

Not to mention that Hezbollah deliberately fires their missiles from places where people are expected to be, knowing that when Israel tries to destroy the missile launchers, they risk hitting civilians.

Here's a perfect illustration.

http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/axisvsallieds.jpg

or this

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/soldiers.jpg

[Edenbeast]

The difference between Israel and Hezbolah is that the civillian casualties caused by the Isralies are accidental. Hezbolah is just randomley launching missles into Israel killing as many people ass possible.

1000 + died and you say accidental !!!!

get your facts straight Mister.

[kane9321]

Nobody says that it has to be an American style democracy.

Iraq looks like a democracy that is more styled after Britain, with a parliament that has a lot of power and a president that isn't as powerful.


iraq is on the verge of a freakin civil war ..and their"president" is america's puppet:eek:

[raybia]

Nobody says that it has to be an American style democracy.



Wrong. The United States of America says that it has to be.

[raybia]

The difference between Israel and Hezbolah is that the civillian casualties caused by the Isralies are accidental.


LOL. Best humorous post ever!

[Jolie_Desastre]

man that is a hell of a lot of accidents then

[raybia]

man that is a hell of a lot of accidents then


Just think how many would be dead if it was intentional.

[Jolie_Desastre]

i know :(

[Mr Sparkle]

I can absolutely believe that the US doesn't consider China a stable democracy, because they DON'T HOLD FREE ELECTIONS.


:confused: so basically you wrote something and capitalized so that everyone would know that we agree?
I mean, cuz I'm confused.:(:down when has the US stopped trade with China, in fact, many big US corporations migrated there, recently in Wall street week a financial "wizard" called the Chinese, the best capitalists in the world.

he was American, is he a traitor or a coward Jonty, how would you describe him?:)

[War Lord]

:confused: so basically you wrote something and capitalized so that everyone would know that we agree?
I mean, cuz I'm confused.:(:down when has the US stopped trade with China, in fact, many big US corporations migrated there, recently in Wall street week a financial "wizard" called the Chinese, the best capitalists in the world.

he was American, is he a traitor or a coward Jonty, how would you describe him?:)

I would call him a capitalist.

[War Lord]

Wrong. The United States of America says that it has to be.

Where is your source that says an Iraqi democracy has to be an American-styled one?

[War Lord]

man that is a hell of a lot of accidents then

It's only accidental from the Israelis side, it's quite purposeful from the Hezbollah side.

[Spider-Bite]

Where is your source that says an Iraqi democracy has to be an American-styled one?

well anne coutler said it, but she doesn't speak for everybody.

[Spider-Bite]

I'd rather have Israel with nukes than without.

Israel having nukes right now is the worse possible thing that could happen. people don't realize how close this is to the fine line of world war 3, dragging Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Europe, Japan into it.

Israel is not innocent. It takes two to tangle. Hezbollah was a terrorist. He killed hundreds. Israel killed more than that, just trying to get em, and they didn't even get em. sort of defeats the purpose?

Israel has a goal. civillians are in the way of that goal. and Israel is willing to go through them to get to their goal. If I was the civillain "I would say, go ahead fight your war, but you don't have the right to kill me in the process"

Hezbollah is not innocent either, but they have a messed up situation over there, and now the S.hite majority which we put in power in Iraq, wants to team up with Syria and Iran and take out Israel and the U.S. Why? because we are protecting them, and arming them while they kill innocent people, and now people are getting pissed. we have become the butchers of the middle east.

[Spider-Bite]

Iraq, under Saddam did use WMD's when they were at war with Iran. Iraq, under Saddam also used them on his own people when they got too uppity and threatened Saddam's rule.

Go back to France, where your alliance seems to lie.

you know untill rescently I couldn't see it, but now I realize Saddam was of course brutal, but he was simply choosing the lesser of two evils. he did those things to protect his power right? and what did he use that power for?

in 15 years the literacy rate went from 5% to 70%, and women no longer had to be covered from head to toe anymore. that never would have happened under the sh.ite majority. under a sh.ite majority Iraq would never team up with Iran and Syria or Alqudia, or Hezbollah to try and take out Israel or the United States.

If Saddam hadn't done the things he did then things would actually be worse. yeah I had passed judgement on him before, but now I realize he was simpy a leader in a different world than the one I know, and he had to make different choices. taking him out of power was so incredibly retarded.

and what do you think is about to happen now that he's gone?

1. Iraq is going to have an internal civil war

2. The Sh.ites which Saddam kept in check who are now in power are going to strip woman of their rights

3. This so called democracy with an Islamic constitution? Religous constitutions are not for democracys they are for theocracy's. and eventually the Sh.ites themselves will probably create a dictator for Iraq.

4. Iraq is going to join up with Iran and Syria's cause

[Mr Sparkle]

Not to mention that Hezbollah deliberately fires their missiles from places where people are expected to be, knowing that when Israel tries to destroy the missile launchers, they risk hitting civilians.

Here's a perfect illustration.

http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/axisvsallieds.jpg

or this

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/drsanity/soldiers.jpg


LOL
I think that "soldier of Israel" is best Illustrated by this:
http://www.drooker.com/graphics/images/Air-Raid.jpg
seems a tad more accurate:up::)

[Spider-Bite]

death is death. it doens't matter if it's a woman, a man, a child, or a soldier. It's still dead.

If Israel had the option of fighting this war with no civillians, then I'm sure they would choose it, where as Hezbollah would definitely not choose it.

But I still say that what Israel is doing is incredibly ignorant, and not solving anything.

[raybia]

Where is your source that says an Iraqi democracy has to be an American-styled one?


My source is some article or line where a member of the Bush Adminstration or any previous adminstration gives a sound-bite that says, "every country on earth has to follow our brand of democracy." I don't get caught up in poltical rhetoric and lip service.

Just look at America's foreign policy and its intervention of the third world and its quite obvious that only promote and accept the type of democracy that has strings attached.

They are called puppet strings with all of them in America's hands. The ulimate puppet master.

Saddam is an example of one puppet that America had to severs its ties to while they try to re-establish them to new puppets in Iraq.

Iran is another example of a puppet they controlled when the Shah until he was forced to flee into exile.

The U.S. is so dedicated towards democracy in the midde east that in 1951 both Britian and the U.S. joined for a coup to remove Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, founder of Iran's first democratic governmen, who was elected to be first Iran's Prime Minister.

After they succeeded the U.S. and Britian reinstated Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as Shah and thereby established not a democracy but a monarchy in Iran up until the Iranian Revolution.

[raybia]

It's only accidental from the Israelis side, it's quite purposeful from the Hezbollah side.

It's only accidental from the side of those who have an unwavering support of Israel regardless of its actions.

[War Lord]

It's only accidental from the side of those who have an unwavering support of Israel regardless of its actions.

You're right.

Those supporting Hezbollah like them doing it on purpose.

[raybia]

Those supporting Hezbollah like them doing it on purpose.

Wow, what a generality.

Certainly you would have to agree that those who support Hezbollah have various reasons for that support.

Also I'm certain that not everyone who supports Hezbollah advocates intentional targeting of civilians.

In addition there is a distinction between supporters of Hezbollah and those of Lebanon and the Lebanese themselves.

[War Lord]

Wow, what a generality.

1. Certainly you would have to agree that those who support Hezbollah have various reasons for that support.

2. Also I'm certain that not everyone who supports Hezbollah advocates intentional targeting of civilians.

3. In addition there is a distinction between supporters of Hezbollah and those of Lebanon and the Lebanese themselves.

1. It might be varied, but it has one theme. Destroy Israel.

2. Then they should be getting Hezbollah to stop targetting citizens and speak up whenever Hezbollah fires a missile targetting citizens. Maybe they should even go on Israel's side and put the boots to Hezbollah so Lebanon can get a proper police force and military.

3. Now, did I make a statement that indicated that I lumped the average Lebanese in with Hezbollah? I admit that I'm concerned that every Lebanese-Canadian who has phoned to my local radio station, in regards to the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict, has supported Hezbollah. So, while it may not be every Lebanese, it seems to have the support of the majority of Lebanese Muslims.

[raybia]

1. It might be varied, but it has one theme. Destroy Israel.

Please provide evidence that every support of Hezbollah wants Israel destroyed. In fact please provide evidence that that is Hezbollah's stated mission.

I was under the impression that Hezbollah's primary stated goal is to defend Southern Lebanon against present or future Israeli occupation.

If the destruction of Israel is their current intent, then wouldn't it be for the purpose of liberation rather than merely destroying Israel just because?


2. Then they should be getting Hezbollah to stop targetting citizens and speak up whenever Hezbollah fires a missile targetting citizens. Maybe they should even go on Israel's side and put the boots to Hezbollah so Lebanon can get a proper police force and military.

I agree. So should the supporters of Israel, but we both know that a Hezbollah supporter wouldn't go on Israel's side unless they have a death wish.

3. Now, did I make a statement that indicated that I lumped the average Lebanese in with Hezbollah?

No you didn't. I took the liberty to point out that there is a distinction.


I admit that I'm concerned that every Lebanese-Canadian who has phoned to my local radio station, in regards to the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict, has supported Hezbollah. So, while it may not be every Lebanese, it seems to have the support of the majority of Lebanese Muslims.

Well, thats the nature of nationalism isn't it. Support of your country whether right or wrong especially in the face of a percieved emeny of that nation and its citizens.

Thousands of dead civilians tends to renforce that perception.

[Mr Sparkle]

You're right.

Those supporting Hezbollah like them doing it on purpose.

so, then you would say that when Israel targets a village and kills 50 people to get 2 suspected Hezbolah members it's still "accicdental"?:confused:

[Spider-Bite]

the truth is that both the picture posted by Mr. Sparkle and the picture posted by Warlord are 100% accurate.

Helzbollah's people are willing to kill civillains not to die. And Israel is willing to kill civillains in order to kill Helzbollah.

Israel does have a right to defend themselves but I don't think they have the right to expect lebanese civillains to die for their cause. Neither does Helzbollah.

but both think they do. they are both wrong. They are both the butchers. Hezbolah is a terrorist. Israel terrorized even more people than he did trying to get em. The kettle is calling the pot black.

Israel is wrong but they think they are right. Hezbollah is wrong and he doesn't care.

Who do I hope wins? Israel. Who do I think is the scum of the earth? Hezbollah and his people! They are worthless human beings.

[raybia]

so, then you would say that when Israel targets a village and kills 50 people to get 2 suspected Hezbolah members it's still "accicdental"?:confused:

This seems to be a matter of perception for staunch supporters of both Israel and Hezbollah.

For the open-minded and supporters of respect for human life and defenders of truth, justice and freedom the answer is perfectly obvious.

[raybia]

the truth is that both the picture posted by Mr. Sparkle and the picture posted by Warlord are 100% accurate.

Helzbollah's people are willing to kill civillains not to die. And Israel is willing to kill civillains in order to kill Helzbollah.

Israel does have a right to defend themselves but I don't think they have the right to expect lebanese civillains to die for their cause. Neither does Helzbollah.

but both think they do. they are both wrong. They are both the butchers. Hezbolah is a terrorist. Israel terrorized even more people than he did trying to get em. The kettle is calling the pot black.

Israel is wrong but they think they are right. Hezbollah is wrong and he doesn't care.

Who do I hope wins? Israel. Who do I think is the scum of the earth? Hezbollah and his people! They are worthless human beings.

Good post until the end.

Who do I hope win? The civilian life in both Israel and Lebanon and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. I will never support the current Israeli government, Hezbollah and Hamas nor any who do wrong.

I also call on the U.S. government and governments around the world to call on Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas to observe an immediate ceasefire and place an immediate embargo on all shipments of weapons to all parties in the way including Syria and Iran and join an international conference to provide security on the border between Israel and Lebanon.

At this moment, the politics, and issues are secondary to the most important thing, which is the perservation and respect of human life.

[Mr Sparkle]

the truth is that both the picture posted by Mr. Sparkle and the picture posted by Warlord are 100% accurate.

Helzbollah's people are willing to kill civillains not to die. And Israel is willing to kill civillains in order to kill Helzbollah.

Israel does have a right to defend themselves but I don't think they have the right to expect lebanese civillains to die for their cause. Neither does Helzbollah.

but both think they do. they are both wrong. They are both the butchers. Hezbolah is a terrorist. Israel terrorized even more people than he did trying to get em. The kettle is calling the pot black.

Israel is wrong but they think they are right. Hezbollah is wrong and he doesn't care.

Who do I hope wins? Israel. Who do I think is the scum of the earth? Hezbollah and his people! They are worthless human beings.

1.- Hezbolah is not a guy.:confused::down
2.- what do you think Hezbolah goals are?

[Spider-Bite]

1.- Hezbolah is not a guy.:confused::down
2.- what do you think Hezbolah goals are?

I know that. It's a militia. but it's often to referred to like it's a person. Hezbollah is led by Hasan Nasrallah. When they kidnapped those two Israli sodiers, they were hoping for the release of their own prisoners held by Israel.

Hezbollah and many Sh.ites, the Iran government, the Syrian government all want their morals and their traditions, and their way of doing things to influence the middle east to make the middle east more like they want it.

It's a war fought along religous lines.

[Spider-Bite]

Good post until the end.

Who do I hope win? The civilian life in both Israel and Lebanon and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. I will never support the current Israeli government, Hezbollah and Hamas nor any who do wrong.

I also call on the U.S. government and governments around the world to call on Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas to observe an immediate ceasefire and place an immediate embargo on all shipments of weapons to all parties in the way including Syria and Iran and join an international conference to provide security on the border between Israel and Lebanon.

At this moment, the politics, and issues are secondary to the most important thing, which is the perservation and respect of human life.

Israel is a demoracy. America is a democracy. I don't support Bush, but I still support the govenrment. I don't doubt that if Hezbollah and every memeber of his militia were proven to be dead, that Israel would have an immediate ceasefire.

That is what I meant by winning. I don't want Israel destroyed by Iran and Syria. I don't want their government overthrown for a dictatorship by Islamic extremists. I would be pleased to see the Hezbollah militia dead or stopped.

[Tangled Web]

Yeah, I stand by saying that Israel isn't intentionally killing civillians. In wars like this these things are inevitable. Hezbollah on the other hand is a militia of terrorists from all around the middle east who go around killing at random.

[Spider-Bite]

Yeah, I stand by saying that Israel isn't intentionally killing civillians. In wars like this these things are inevitable. Hezbollah on the other hand is a militia of terrorists from all around the middle east who go around killing at random.

it is intentional, it's just not the goal. I don't want to spend my money on gas but I have to in order to drive the car. I intentionally give the clerk the money.

they don't want to kill civillains but they knowingly do it because they have to in order to get Hezbollah. There is nothing accidental about it, and I wish they would quit minimizing what they are doing. It's disrespectful to the loved ones left behind. If they are going to fight a war than they should be honest about it.

[FlameHead]

I'm really really pissed off about this war. I'm so upset with the international community and their lack of attention to do whatever it takes to stop this war from escalating any further. Nobody is doing anything and it's getting worse by the hour.

****. ****. ****!!

[Tangled Web]

The ydon't plan on killing high numbers of civillians. The bombing is intentional but the result is not.

Look, I'm not rooting for mass destruction. I'm just rooting for this thing to end. Both sides have commited horrible acts.

[Topdawg]

^ I agree.

[Spider-Bite]

The ydon't plan on killing high numbers of civillians. The bombing is intentional but the result is not.

Look, I'm not rooting for mass destruction. I'm just rooting for this thing to end. Both sides have commited horrible acts.

I agree. Lebannon was incredibly stupid for not ousting Hezbollah. they knew these guys would hide missiles in children's closets.

Israel was stupid for escalating the situation. Israel will not learn anything if we bail them out.

the middle east wont learn anything as long as we try to sort out their problems. we need to let these idiots have at it go at each other so they can learn their lesson and quit pointing the finger at us.

[Tangled Web]

There you go. Though I do think we need to stop this.

[FlameHead]

I agree. Lebannon was incredibly stupid for not ousting Hezbollah. they knew these guys would hide missiles in children's closets.

Israel was stupid for escalating the situation. Israel will not learn anything if we bail them out.

the middle east wont learn anything as long as we try to sort out their problems. we need to let these idiots have at it go at each other so they can learn their lesson and quit pointing the finger at us.

Wow, that's probably the most heartless few paragraphs I've ever read in my life.

If the US were going to stay out of it, they should never have given (mostly for free) Israel all the freakin' weapons they're now using to kill, destroy and humiliate. Over 800 civilians dead. Thousands injured. Hundreds of thousands displaced. Roads destroyed so no aid can get in. All this by American weaponry.

The US has had a heavy hand in causing this mess and cannot just 'Let em have a go at each other'. It's ridiculous to suggest such a thing.

[Kurosawa]

Wow, what a generality.

Certainly you would have to agree that those who support Hezbollah have various reasons for that support.

Also I'm certain that not everyone who supports Hezbollah advocates intentional targeting of civilians.

In addition there is a distinction between supporters of Hezbollah and those of Lebanon and the Lebanese themselves.

I think "Death to Isreal", "Death to America" and "Kill the infidel" sums it up nicely.

That's why I have no sympathy for Hezbollah. They want people like me dead.

[FlameHead]

I think "Death to Isreal", "Death to America" and "Kill the infidel" sums it up nicely.

That's why I have no sympathy for Hezbollah. They want people like me dead.

Yes but you're letting your distaste for Hezbollah cloud your judgement on the destruction of Lebanon and the killings of hundreds of innocent people.

[Kurosawa]

Yes but you're letting your distaste for Hezbollah cloud your judgement on the destruction of Lebanon and the killings of hundreds of innocent people.

Not at all. There's nothing good about innocent people getting killed anywhere. But that is part of war. We (the US) killed thousands of civilians during WW II. And Hezbollah started all this mess. People conviently forget that. Even the title of this thread is inaccurate. The title of this thread should be "Terrorist cowards attack a sovereign nation and get thousands of innocents killed while they hide among them like the filth they are."

Now the war in Iraq, that's an entirely different matter, IMO, because I don't think it is a necessary war. It's a million times more tragic than the Isreal/Hezbollah war because to me Isreal is in the right. There is no "right" in the Iraq mess. It's a war that never needed to be fought. Sure Saddam was a dictator, but we let other dictators rule their countries. Plus he was 100% contained with no-fly zones to the north and south and the Kurds in control of their own regions. All we needed to do with Iraq was rattle the sabers every few years and push for UN Weapons inspections just to keep an eye on him. Iraq was no threat. And the War in Iraq probably hurt the Afgan campaign, which actually is a necessary war.

Although if anyone-McCain, Gore, anyone-other than Bush the idiot was President in 2001, I doubt any of this mess would have happened.

[Spider-Bite]

Wow, that's probably the most heartless few paragraphs I've ever read in my life.

If the US were going to stay out of it, they should never have given (mostly for free) Israel all the freakin' weapons they're now using to kill, destroy and humiliate. Over 800 civilians dead. Thousands injured. Hundreds of thousands displaced. Roads destroyed so no aid can get in. All this by American weaponry.

The US has had a heavy hand in causing this mess and cannot just 'Let em have a go at each other'. It's ridiculous to suggest such a thing.

that's like saying if america was going to raise taxes for the rich than Bush never should have gave them such huge tax cuts. you have to remember that not every politician is going to agree with me.

we should not be selling Israel weapons. we should not be taking sides. we've been trying to sort out their problems for years, trying to police the middle east and throw our military weight around. It's NOT working.

The middle east is a century behind us on social progress, and we are trying to focibly modernize them. It will not work. A kid doesn't learn math when a calculator does the work for him. And the middle east is not learning anything from us trying to shove democracy all over them. We need to let them develop on their own. Because right now, all they do is point the finger at us and blame us for everything and fly airplanes into our buildings. We need to quit invading, quit going to war with these guys, pull out of the middle east and let them develop at their own pace.

We tried to liberate Iraq, and the insurgency fought us and the Sh.ites. Now the Sh.ites also want to fight us. They were just protesting death to Israel and the U.S, after we put them in power and saved them from Saddam. They can't even run their own country without us, and they already want to join in World War 3 against us.

See what I mean? they learned NOTHING! I believe we need to get off of oil, and pull out of the middle east. ABSOLUTELY no interference! They will probably have a big huge war, but this way they will have nobody to blame but themselves for the death toll, and they wont be able to blame us. They maybe they can learn that the problem is THEM and not us, and then maybe they can finally change.

If we get to deep in this conflict between Israel, Syria, Lebannon, and Iran, it's going to escalate to World War 3 and it will be nuclear. It will carry over to our conflict with North Korea which intelligence reports are saying it already has. China will get involved and so will Pakistan, Japan, Europe, Alquida, and countless others.

It will be the end of the world. We are talking about Nuclear Winter, countless terror attacks, huge deficits, and self annihilation! I don't want the extinction of human beings to come in my lifetime or ever!

[Spider-Bite]

The US has had a heavy hand in causing this mess and cannot just 'Let em have a go at each other'. It's ridiculous to suggest such a thing.

EXTREMELY true! But your saying we should simply do more of the same. They want us to butt out, and we should butt out. I am not responsible for the crimes committed by my race before I was born!

In fact I do everything in my power that my democracy allows me to oppose these ridiculous conservatives who are taking too long to learn from mistakes made!

I can't help it Bush is a moron and 51% of the country were morons on election day. But most of the country is not stubborn with conviction. They have learned their lesson, and there is practically no support for taking military action to protect Israel. We have learned from Iraq. But unfortnately the way republicans drew up district voting lines it will be difficult to kick them out of power even if we win the popular vote in 2006 november by 10%. They would still be in power. It's practically a freaking dictatorship.

[Mr Sparkle]

I think "Death to Isreal", "Death to America" and "Kill the infidel" sums it up nicely.

That's why I have no sympathy for Hezbollah. They want people like me dead.

:confused: what exactly are you talking about?

After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11%2C_2001_terrorist_attacks), Hezbollah condemned Al Qaeda for targeting the civilian World Trade Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center), though it remained silent on the attack on the Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon), presumably considering it a legitimate military target.[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-wp_inside_the_mind) It denounced the Armed Islamic Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Islamic_Group) massacres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Algerian_massacres_of_the_1990s) in Algeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria), Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gama%27a_al-Islamiyya) attacks on tourists in Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt),[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-71) and the murder of Nick Berg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg).[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-72) Nasrallah, in a 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006) interview with the Washington Post, condemned violence against innocent civilians: “[I]f there are American tourists, or intellectuals, doctors, or professors who have nothing to do with this war, they are innocent, even though they are Americans, and it is forbidden. It is not acceptable to harm them.”[87 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-wp_inside_the_mind)"

Not at all. There's nothing good about innocent people getting killed anywhere. But that is part of war. We (the US) killed thousands of civilians during WW II. And Hezbollah started all this mess. People conviently forget that. Even the title of this thread is inaccurate. The title of this thread should be "Terrorist cowards attack a sovereign nation and get thousands of innocents killed while they hide among them like the filth they are."

:confused: again, what are you talking about, Hezbollah was formed to combat the Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli) occupation following the 1982 invasion of Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_invasion_of_Lebanon).

seems more like Israel "started"this mess. if you're looking for a clear cut culprit.
also, the last part.
you're saying that, to save their 2 soldiers, Israel had no other recourse but to slaughter more than 700 civillians?
puh-leese, if Hezbolah had killed civillians to get at military targets you'd be all outraged :rolleyes: aren't the hostages soldiers? what about the 2 lebanese civillians that Israeli forces kidnapped? what about the more than a 1,000 lebanese prisoners that are being held with no trial? what about all the civillians that Israel has killed in demolitions and refugee camp raids?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I have no trouble with people picking sides, it just pisses me off when it's so evident that they have no idea what is happening, and base their opinions of the latest geraldo episode.

[Spider-Bite]

good points. good history lesson. Israel is no more innocent than Hezbollah, which is all the more reason that we should not get involved.

[FlameHead]

The US should not have given a Green Light to Israel and their rampage, plain and simple.

[Spider-Bite]

The US should not have given a Green Light to Israel and their rampage, plain and simple.

we should have said look we will send 5000 troops to help you secure your border to make sure no troops get kidnapped but only if you do not escalate the situation by going to war and agree to give your prisoners trials.

If you do launch an offensive we will not protect you from Iran and Syria. That's the only thing stopping them from invading Israel is fear of us.

and we should have told Iran we will only give Israel this ultimatum if you allow our weapons inspectors in. If you don't, then we wont give Israel this ultimatum.

I aim for an eventually complete pull out of the middle east, but before we can do that we need to get off oil. we can't allow the world's oil supply to be blown up while the world needs it. that sounds selfish, but the truth is it's the lesser of two evils compared to the worldwide economic derpession that would occur. The fantastic future we see in movies would never arrive if we did that.

[FlameHead]

You have to consider the possibility (especially when there is tonnes of evidence) that the middle east crisis (throughout history) was created to control that OIL so that that endless supply of enormous amounts of cash is kept.

Iran and Syria are only being talked about right now, extensively, because the US wants to enter Iran... again, for the control of the Oil. If Iran cuts off Oil flow, you will see the US enter no matter what. They will likely create another 9/11 and make you again believe a war is justified.

These things must be taken into consideration.

[Spider-Bite]

yes they do

[TheSumOfGod]

No matter which side is more wrong than the other, the fact remains that neither side will ever admit that they're wrong about anything, and both sides seem completely unwilling to compromise. This is an old hate that doesn't want to die.

[Gamma Ray]

No matter which side is more wrong than the other, the fact remains that neither side will ever admit that they're wrong about anything, and both sides seem completely unwilling to compromise. This is an old hate that doesn't want to die.


The reptilians control HATE. Don't you know anything?

[TheSumOfGod]

The reptilians control HATE. Don't you know anything?

The reptilian Anunnaki do not control hate, they feed off of hate, and fear. Get your facts straight. ;)

[Gamma Ray]

The reptilian Anunnaki do not control hate, they feed off of hate, and fear. Get your facts straight. ;)


Ahh yes. How could I have been so utterly ridiculous! :)

[TheSumOfGod]

Why don't you go all hysterical again and say that I should be banned merely for posting something that you didn't like, or for having a Hulk avatar similar to your own or whatever?

[y2jversion1]

What convenient timing -

- War in Lebanon: Israeli's (aka the 'good guys') vs. Lebanese (aka the Islamic 'bad guys') - Israel announces that it will unleash a full-scale assault on Lebanon.

- You-tube vids leaked of US funding & arming the Israeli war-machine.

- The film "World Trade Centre" is released on Tuesday.

- This 'terrorist' plot is foiled on Wednesday.

Seems more like subliminal mind-games in order to garner support for the so-called 'war on terror' - especially when more and more people are questioning & criticizing the US governments, the UN's actions (read: non-actions) against the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.

Convenient.

Godspeed to the folks of Israel & Lebanon...and the World, who are merely pawns in the hands of the power-hungry elitists.

[rodhulk]

You know? I started that with you ages ago. but then....I thought it over:O
now you just make me laugh:up:Of course, cause you just don't understand what's going on! :)

[rodhulk]

The ydon't plan on killing high numbers of civillians. The bombing is intentional but the result is not.

Look, I'm not rooting for mass destruction. I'm just rooting for this thing to end. Both sides have commited horrible acts.Well, all acts that seem horrible may not be intentional. That is very improtant. We know Hezbollah is putting every effort to kill civilians. They are not giving Israeli's any warnings.

At the least, and I mean, the very least, Israel has often been giving warnings on what they are about to do in Lebanon.

[Hooligan32]

By dropping flyers from planes (which they also drop bombs from), a luxury that Hezbollah can hardly afford.

[Malus]

The conflict and hatred is ancient; it has been around far longer than the international power brokers that are running this little show. The Illuminati are just the guys selling the bootleg t-shirts outside and the thugs making the concessions inside the hall pay protection money.

This will end when there is a victor; nothing less will do it.

And if I have to pick a side, then buddy I sure as HELL don't pick the side that spawned the vermin responsible (directly or indirectly) for the deaths of 3,000 of my countrymen.

These pieces of filth would have joyfully murdered hundreds, even thousands of innocent men, women and children today flying out of Heathrow - all in the name of their "peaceful religion."

Yeah, the Illuminati exist. Yeah, a few fat white guys and megacorporations are pulling the puppet strings across this globe.

Doesn't change the fact that the Islamofanatics have to be exterminated.

Just my opinion.