The Israel Situation

[Kurosawa]

:confused: what exactly are you talking about?

After the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11%2C_2001_terrorist_attacks), Hezbollah condemned Al Qaeda for targeting the civilian World Trade Center (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center), though it remained silent on the attack on the Pentagon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon), presumably considering it a legitimate military target.[87] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-wp_inside_the_mind) It denounced the Armed Islamic Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armed_Islamic_Group) massacres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Algerian_massacres_of_the_1990s) in Algeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria), Al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Gama%27a_al-Islamiyya) attacks on tourists in Egypt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egypt),[88] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-71) and the murder of Nick Berg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Berg).[89] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-72) Nasrallah, in a 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006) interview with the Washington Post, condemned violence against innocent civilians: “[I]f there are American tourists, or intellectuals, doctors, or professors who have nothing to do with this war, they are innocent, even though they are Americans, and it is forbidden. It is not acceptable to harm them.”[87 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah#_note-wp_inside_the_mind)"



:confused: again, what are you talking about, Hezbollah was formed to combat the Israeli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli) occupation following the 1982 invasion of Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_invasion_of_Lebanon).

seems more like Israel "started"this mess. if you're looking for a clear cut culprit.
also, the last part.
you're saying that, to save their 2 soldiers, Israel had no other recourse but to slaughter more than 700 civillians?
puh-leese, if Hezbolah had killed civillians to get at military targets you'd be all outraged :rolleyes: aren't the hostages soldiers? what about the 2 lebanese civillians that Israeli forces kidnapped? what about the more than a 1,000 lebanese prisoners that are being held with no trial? what about all the civillians that Israel has killed in demolitions and refugee camp raids?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
I have no trouble with people picking sides, it just pisses me off when it's so evident that they have no idea what is happening, and base their opinions of the latest geraldo episode.

Nice way to spin the "facts" to fit your own vision.

[Mr Sparkle]

Nice way to spin the "facts" to fit your own vision.

LOL, you probably didn't know about 80% of this till you saw my post today so :down:o:confused::mad::):up:

[Mr Sparkle]

Of course, cause you just don't understand what's going on! :)

LOL see?:up:

[Spider-Bite]

This will end when there is a victor; nothing less will do it.


you know the main problem is that nobody ever wants to be seen as the looser, and winning becomes more important than anything else.


And if I have to pick a side, then buddy I sure as HELL don't pick the side that spawned the vermin responsible (directly or indirectly) for the deaths of 3,000 of my countrymen.


Our country is directly and indirectly irresponsible for it. You think they just got up the idea to do these things for fun? they have wanted to do this because we protected Israel for so long and imposed economic sanctions on their people causing the starvation of millions. You'd be angry too if you happened to be on their side of the fence.



These pieces of filth would have joyfully murdered hundreds, even thousands of innocent men, women and children today flying out of Heathrow - all in the name of their "peaceful religion."


I can't argue with you on that point. your correct.



Yeah, the Illuminati exist. Yeah, a few fat white guys and megacorporations are pulling the puppet strings across this globe.


can't argue with that either.



Doesn't change the fact that the Islamofanatics have to be exterminated.

Just my opinion
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they really don't. if we absolutely butt out of their situation very shortly afterwards they would stop being concerned with us. the mere fact that we thinik we need to do anything to them is what got us in this mess in the first place. if we do nothing to them good or bad, our half of the problem will be solved. the middle east would probably have a huge bloody war with itself, and half their people would be dead, and that's what it would take for them to learn, and stop acting that way. they would probably emerge with one big country in the middle east. Kind of like our struggles and battles when we were just 13 colonies and when the north and the south went to war.

the middle east is a lot like the U.S. was in it's infancy.

I'm not saying were the bad guys. I'm just saying that person's opinion of who the good guy is and who the bad guy is, is almost completely determined by what side of the fence your born on. They think us to be evil horrible people who would love to see a parking lot made out of them. A lot of us think they want to do the same to us. This is what everybody thinks about the enemy.

[Spider-Bite]

does anybody see how Bush taking us to Iraq helped create this war between Israel, Lebannon, Syria, and Iran?

They would be too busy dealing with Saddam. Weren't we nice to remove him? We definitely made that place more stable.

yeah right.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Does anybody see how this war is a *****ing sham?

[Spider-Bite]

I wouldn't use the word sham. Sham would suggest it's not real, that it's just a scam to trick us into thinking it's really happening so well give money or something. I assure you the war is very real and very retarded.

[Edd Extraordinaire]

Touche.

[Malus]

they really don't. if we absolutely butt out of their situation very shortly afterwards they would stop being concerned with us.

I don't think so anymore. Their goal is the death of all "infidels" and without our intervention at this point, Ifear the entire region will end up like Afghanistan under the Taliban. (Not that it's a much better place now.)
I wish we'd stepped in in Afghanistan ten years earlier, when ithe hideous human rights violations became common knowledge. Executing women in stadiums for so-called moral crimes. Jesus, why did the civilized world let that go on so long? Same thing in Rwanda. Not taking action there was shameful. Even Clinton says it's one of the biggest regrets of his presidency. (Right up there with not keeping it in his pants :cool: )

And yes, it's an unfortunate fact that we basically created Bin Laden & his sick bunch. We definitely trained them in Afghanistan 30 years ago.

I would say that we're to blame for a lot of grief on this planet.
We need to do better. I hope the puppet masters running this show have learned something from these mistakes. Unless they weren't really mistakes in their estimation , which is frightening.

But butting out? No, we can't leave Isreal unprotected. We can't allow the region to be plunged into further darkness.
The only solution is exterminating the Islamofanatics.

Regrettably, an Hiroshima-sized show of force by Israel may be needed, and soon. And we'll have to support it.
Massive loss of life; Save civilization.
It's a sick trade, but it may be necessary.

[kane9321]

i knew this ****e was gonna happen when we removed saddam from power...all these problems stemmed from that.

[Malus]

i knew this ****e was gonna happen when we removed saddam from power...all these problems stemmed from that.

I agree pretty much with that. There were much bigger fish to fry out there; we're seeing that now.

[Malus]

i knew this ****e was gonna happen when we removed saddam from power...all these problems stemmed from that.

We should have taken care of Saddam 14 years ago when we had the chance. Just as Clinton should have taken Bin Laden out when Sudan offered him on a silver platter.

[Mr Sparkle]

We should have taken care of Saddam 14 years ago when we had the chance. Just as Clinton should have taken Bin Laden out when Sudan offered him on a silver platter.


lol, that NEVER happened.:down

[Spider-Bite]

I don't think so anymore. Their goal is the death of all "infidels" and without our intervention at this point, Ifear the entire region will end up like Afghanistan under the Taliban. (Not that it's a much better place now.)
I wish we'd stepped in in Afghanistan ten years earlier, when ithe hideous human rights violations became common knowledge. Executing women in stadiums for so-called moral crimes. Jesus, why did the civilized world let that go on so long? Same thing in Rwanda. Not taking action there was shameful. Even Clinton says it's one of the biggest regrets of his presidency. (Right up there with not keeping it in his pants :cool: )

And yes, it's an unfortunate fact that we basically created Bin Laden & his sick bunch. We definitely trained them in Afghanistan 30 years ago.

I would say that we're to blame for a lot of grief on this planet.
We need to do better. I hope the puppet masters running this show have learned something from these mistakes. Unless they weren't really mistakes in their estimation , which is frightening.

But butting out? No, we can't leave Isreal unprotected. We can't allow the region to be plunged into further darkness.
The only solution is exterminating the Islamofanatics.

Regrettably, an Hiroshima-sized show of force by Israel may be needed, and soon. And we'll have to support it.
Massive loss of life; Save civilization.
It's a sick trade, but it may be necessary.

I don't think it would turn out like that. Simply because when you oppress somebody, they will lash out and fight back. Both Israel and Lebannon have a democracy where people are allowed to think and believe and vote however they want. There are a lot of people over there who oppose human rights violations and support freedom. Even Saddam's regime supported Women's rights. if we pulled out, and they all fought each other, when it was over eventually each group would have to get something they want.

You have to remember Israel invaded Lebannon in the 80s. Hezbollah drove them out to protect Hezbollah. It's understandable that Lebannon would not want to turn their backs on them after bailing them out. and now because of us protecting Israel during this massacre, hatred for our country has quadroupled and so has the number of people willing to commit an act of terror against us. and it only helps them in their teachings when they try to justify how we are all infidels.

you got to remember the United States in it's infancy also had it's own definition of "infidel" and despite the fact that we don't cut arms and legs off, we still have the death penalty. We still deny patients medical marijuana while they live tortured lives. absolute severe agony every minute of every day. Our government commits human rights violations against it's own people, but were used to it so we don't notice. It doesn't mean anybody would benefit from our government being overthrown. Just let us grow, learn, and develop.

[Spider-Bite]

lol, that NEVER happened.:down

it did but there were strings attached. they wanted saonctions lifted which would have provided an increase in funding for terrorists. It would have killed Bin Laden and strengthened Alquida.

[TrailerCues]

France and the United States reached a deal Friday on a final draft resolution aimed at ending the monthlong conflict between Israel and Hezbollah, and said the U.N. Security Council would vote on the text later in the day. Britain's U.N. Ambassador Emyr Jones-Parry said the resolution would give a U.N. force in Lebanon an enhanced mandate to help coordinate the eventual withdrawal of Israeli troops.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/mideast_conflict

[Spider-Bite]

yeah but this is just delaying the conflict really. they all stop the fighting for now and they both go back to planning for their day of reckoning. what we and the world needs to do is step back and let them get it done and over with. The only way they will learn is when they hit rock bottom like a drug addict. Once their cities are blown up and life is unliveable, than they will get sick of fighting and a real resolution will be drafted.

[rodhulk]

LOL see?:up:Finally, we agree on something, Spark? :up: :eek:

[Mr Sparkle]

Finally, we agree on something, Spark? :up: :eek:

LOL, again.....see?:)

[Mr Sparkle]

it did but there were strings attached. they wanted saonctions lifted which would have provided an increase in funding for terrorists. It would have killed Bin Laden and strengthened Alquida.

No one involved in the 1996 negotiations apart from former officials of Sudan -- a country that the U.S. State Department has designated as a state sponsor of terrorism every year since 1993 -- has verified the claim that Sudan offered bin Laden to the United States. In light of this lack of evidence, the 9-11 Commission "Staff Statement No. 5 (http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://www.9-11commission.gov/hearings/hearing8/staff_statement_5.pdf)http://mediamatters.org/static/img/pdf.gif," issued in March, rejected the Sudanese claim:
Former Sudanese officials claim that Sudan offered to expel Bin Ladin to the United States. Clinton administration officials deny ever receiving such an offer. We have not found any reliable evidence to support the Sudanese claim.
Sudan did offer to expel Bin Ladin to Saudi Arabia and asked the Saudis to pardon him. U.S. officials became aware of these secret discussions, certainly by March 1996. The evidence suggests that the Saudi government wanted Bin Ladin expelled from Sudan, but would not agree to pardon him. The Saudis did not want Bin Ladin back in their country at all.

[Edenbeast]

Well, all acts that seem horrible may not be intentional. That is very improtant. We know Hezbollah is putting every effort to kill civilians. They are not giving Israeli's any warnings.

At the least, and I mean, the very least, Israel has often been giving warnings on what they are about to do in Lebanon.

The reason for them to do that is to wreck peoples nervous and help pave the way for their troops to easily occupy the south with no effort since all houses were abandoned by its people and therefore Israel can win the war and achieve their main objective which is gaining control over the Litani river http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litani_River .

[Edenbeast]

I think "Death to Isreal", "Death to America" and "Kill the infidel" sums it up nicely.

That's why I have no sympathy for Hezbollah. They want people like me dead.

Yeah and that explains the crimes Israel committed against the Arabs for decades, which shows who the real terrorists are, check these out:

Following are just a few of the many massacres committed by Jewish-Zionist terrorists, notably by the Zionist Hagana, Irgun and Stern Gang groups. Don't expect any Hollywood films highlighting any of these massacres:
1. King David Hotel, July 22, 1946.
2. Sharafat, Feb. 7, 1951.
3. Deir Yassin, April 10, 1948.
4. Falameh, April 2, 1951.
5. Naseruddine, April 14, 1948.
6. Quibya, Oct. 14, 1953.
7. Carmel, April 20, 1948.
8. Nahalin, March, 28, 1954.
9. Al-Qabu, May 1, 1948.
10. Gaza, Feb. 28, 1955.
11. Beit Kiras, May 3, 1948.
12. Khan Yunis, May 31, 1955.
13. Beitkhoury, May 5, 1948.
14. Khan Yunis Again, Aug. 31, 1955
15. Az-Zaytoun, May 6, 1948.
16. Tiberia, Dec. 11, 1955.
17. Wadi Araba, May 13, 1950.
18. As-Sabha, Nov. 2, 1955.
19. Gaza Again, April 5, 1956.
20. Houssan, Sept. 25, 1956.
21. Rafa, Aug. 16, 1956.
22. Qalqilyah, Oct. 10, 1956.
23. Ar-Rahwa, Sept. 12, 1956.
24. Kahr Kassem, Oct. 29, 1956.
25. Gharandal, Sept. 13, 1956.
26. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956.
27. Gaza Strip, Nov. 1956.

July 2, 1946: The King David Hotel in Jerusalem was bombed, killing 91 people. Menachem Begin, who was later awarded the Nobel Prize for peace, is the same man who planned the destruction of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin. Ex prime minister, Shamir, was originally a member of the Jewish terrorist gang called Irgun, which was headed by none other than Menachem Begin. Shamir later moved over to the even more radical "Stern Gang," which committed many vicious atrocities. Shamir himself has defended the various assassinations committed by the Irgun and Stern gangs on the grounds that "it was the only way we could operate, because we were so small. So it was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets." The selected moral targets in those early days of the founding of the state of Israel included bombing of the King David Hotel and the massacre of Deir Yassin.
April 9, 1948: A combined force of Irgun and Stern Gangs committed a brutal massacre of 260 Arab residents of the village of Deir Yassin. Most of whom were women and children. The Israeli hordes even attacked the dead to satisfy their bestial tendencies.
In April, 1954, during Holy Week, and on the eve of Easter, The Christian cemeteries in Haifa were invaded, crosses broken down and trampled under the feet of these miscreants, and the tombs desecrated. The Israeli military conquest, therefore was made against a defenseless people, who had been softened up by such earlier massacres as Deir Yasin (where 250 Arabs; men, women and children were massacred). The Jew, Weizman, referred to the massacre as this "miraculous simplification of our task," and Ben Gurion said that "without Deir Yasin there would be no Israel." Americans are not told that ten percent of the Arabs killed by the Israelis in 1948 were Christian, and that ten percent of the Arab property confiscated belonged to Christians. Nor are they told that Israel's massacres and military actions forced 100,000 Christians to become refugees. Accounts by Red Cross and United Nations observers who visited the scene said that the houses were first set on fire and the occupants were shot down as they came out to escape the flames. One pregnant woman had her baby cut out of her stomach with a knife. Reminiscent of the acts committed by their brother Jews in Russia during and after the Bolshevik (Jewish) takeover. The head of the International Red Cross delegation in Palestine, Jacques de Reynier, drove into the village and was met by a detachment of Irgun terrorists. In his report of the massacre the previous night, he wrote: "All of them were young, some even adolescents, men and women armed to the teeth: revolvers, machine-guns, hand-grenades, and knives, most of them still blood-stained. A beautiful young girl with criminal eyes showed me hers (knife) still dripping with blood, she displayed it like a trophy."
May 1948: The U.S. appointed Count Folke Bernadotte of Sweden to mediate between the Arabs and the Israelis. In his first progress report (of Sept. 16, 1948) he recommended that the U.N. should affirm "the right of the Arab refugees to return to their homes in Jewish controlled territory at the earliest possible date." The Israelis responded in their own quiet way. The following day Bernadotte was murdered in Jerusalem. Responsibility for the spectacular assassination, which caused an international outcry, was claimed by an unknown group, "Fatherland Front," which was actually a cover for Shamir's Stern Gang. Yoshua Zeitler and Meshlam Markover of Stern told Israeli television in 1989 that they respectively directed and led the operation that killed the Swedish diplomat and his French aide-de-camp. Zeitler, 71, said he decided to speak now because of fear that the U.N. and the "goyim" (non-Jews) are again trying to force Israel into concessions.
February 1949: Israel launched an offensive across the Armistice lines with Egypt which brought its forces to the Gulf of Aqaba, occupying the Palestinian police post of Umm Rashrash which they afterwards named Eilat.
1950: Israelis seized the Al-Uja de-militarized zone on the Egyptian side and Baqqara on the Syrian side, expelling their Arab inhabitants and razed their homes to the ground by bulldozers. [
B]1950-1955[/B]: Israeli forces unleashed more than 40 acts of armed aggressions against Arab states, almost all causing a heavy loss of life. This included attacks and massacres in Qibya, Huleh 1953, Nahalin, Kfar Qassem in 1954, Gaza and a Syrian outpost on Lake Tiberias in 1955.
October 14-1 5, 1953 -- Under the command of Ariel Sharon, Israeli squads attacked the unarmed Arab village of Qibya in the demilitarized one. Where they blew up 42 houses and killed more than 60 residents who were trapped inside. The details were so gruesome that the U.S. joined in a U.N. condemnation of the Israeli action, and for the first and only time, suspended aid to Israel in reprisal.
July 1954: Israeli intelligence planted "a ring of spies (moles)" in Cairo. Its task was to begin sabotage operations against selected Egyptian, British and American targets. On July 14, the Alexandria post office was fire-bombed, and the U.S. Information Agency offices in Cairo and Alexandria were damaged by fire started by phosphorous incendiary devices, as was a British-owned theater. Members of the spy ring were caught, and they confessed. They had been planted by Modin, the Israeli military intelligence organization. The purpose, presumably, was to sabotage Egyptian relations with the U.S. and Britain. Various commissions of inquiry into the affair conducted in Israel were never able to decide whether or not Israeli Defense Minister Pinchos Lavon authorized the operation.
1956: Squads of Israeli soldiers committed a hideous atrocity in the Palestinian village of Kafr Qasim, 47 innocent people were shot down in cold blood. The careful and premeditated mass murders, never received great attention in the West. Although the Israeli courts convicted eight soldiers of murder, they were all released within two years of their trial, and within three years one of them who had been convicted of killing 43 Arabs in an hour, was engaged by the municipality of Ramleh as the "officer responsible for Arab affairs in the city." In October 1956 Israel, backed by England and France, attacked Egypt to gain control of the Suez Canal. Taking advantage of the situation created by Egypt's decision of nationalization of the Suez Canal, Israel joined forces with Britain and France to invade Egypt. As a result, it occupied the Sinai Peninsula, seized the Gaza Strip, and Sharm Al sheikh which guarded the Strait of Tiran and the entrance to the Gulf of Aqaba. a year letter it withdrew reluctantly under the combined pressure of the U.N., U.S.A. and the Soviet Union. There was no military necessity for this destruction; it was sheer vengeance against Arab Christians. This action created another 300,000 Arab refugees, thus making a total refugee population of Christian and Muslin Arabs, which is larger than the combined populations of Montana, Nevada and Wyoming. It was during this campaign that the Israeli's attacked the U.S.S. Liberty with the death of 34 of its number. If this had been an Egyptian or a Russian attack, American would have been at war, but the Jewish vote of America silenced any American criticisms of this action. Americans are also not told that Israel has always refused to obey any mandate of the United Nations. Resolutions affirmed by vote every year since 1948 recognize the right of the return of Palestinian refugees, but Israel always refuses to obey. Israel has been condemned over and over again for breaking the charter and now fulfilling the conditions upon which she was allowed to become a member! 1960-1962: Israeli forces attacked Syrian villages on Lade Tiberias and brought death to hundreds of Arab civilians.
1966: Squads of Israeli soldiers raided the Jordanian village of Sammu, they killed 18 civilians, wounded 100 others and demolished 130 houses including a school, a clinic and a mosque.
1967: THE U.S.S. Liberty was deliberately attacked in international waters as it monitored communications during the Six-Day War. Israel used U.S.-donated equipment to jam the ship's S.O.S., hoping to sink it and murder all aboard before word could get out. 34 sailors were butchered and 170 wounded in this blatant Act of War. The Liberty was part of the Sixth Fleet, a powerful group of men and ships paid for by U.S. Taxpayers to protect the Israeli's. What do the Jews think of our American Service Men, the descendants of the men who pulled their chestnuts out of the fire in World War II?
June 5, 1967: Israeli committed its biggest, most treacherous and premeditated aggression against Egypt, Syria and Jordan. After destroying Arab aircraft on the ground in a lightening attack, Israeli forces invaded and occupied the rest of Palestine, that is, the West Bank, Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula. In the first days of its aggression and in plain disregard of the truth, Israel fabricated a charge of aggression against its victims and presented it in a dramatic manner to the U.N. Security Council. Western media spread this fabricated story and the whole world sympathized with the supposed victim. In 1967 the Israeli's made a third ruthless blitzkrieg attack upon the Arabs. This time they deliberately destroyed three quarters of a million dollar's worth of church property. The great deception practiced by Israel on the U.N. and the whole world is now completely discredited, the Israelis, therefore, changed their tactics and rely nowadays on the argument that, they were NOT attacked by Egypt, they were in danger of BEING attacked, and hence they resorted to a so-called pre-emptive strike. Alan Hart quotes a former Israeli Director of military intelligence as telling him "if Nasser had not given Israel the excuse to attack the Arabs, Israel would have invented a pretext for war within six or ten months" because its military planners had decided that the time had come to knock out vast amounts of mainly Soviet-supplied Arab armor. Yitzhak Rabin, who as chief of staff planned this attack told Le Monde in February 1968, quite simply: "We knew that Nasser did not intend to attack."
February 15, 1968: Israel invaded PLO bases in Karamah, on the eastern bank of the River Jordan with helicopter-borne troops and tanks. Three hundred commandos fought off 1,500 Israeli soldiers and force them to retreat. The battle lasted all day and into the evening. Although the village was totally destroyed, the Palestinian defenders repelled the Israelis and inflicted heavy casualties among the invaders. By the Israeli account, they lost 28 soldiers and 90 were wounded.
August 1969: An Israeli set fire to one of the most sacred Islamic shrines. Al Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, causing extensive damage to it. This crime plunged over one billion Muslims throughout the world into the deepest anguish.

[Edenbeast]

March 12, 1970: Israeli forces invaded part of South Lebanon known as "Fatah-Land" killing a number of Palestinian and Lebanese civilians.
April 8, 1970: The Israelis distinguished themselves by committing a horrible crime, in retaliation of attrition war across the Suez Canal, Israeli war planes raided an Egyptian school "Bahr al Bakar" in southern Egypt killing 75 children and wounding over 100.
September 8, 1972 -- Without any apparent cause or reason, Israeli Phantoms bombed Palestinian targets in Lebanon and Syria in a series of raids killing hundreds of civilians. This action was explained by the Israeli prime minister the next day, who in the Knesset, that "Israel had now adopted a new policy to strike at the terrorist organizations where ever we can reach them."
February 21, 1973: Israel landed commando units on the coasts of the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli. They attacked two Palestinian refugees camps, dynamited several houses and buildings, some over the heads of their occupants, killing 35 refugees and wounding a similar number. On the same day, Israeli war planes shot down a Libyan Civilian Aircraft over the Sinai Desert killing over 100 passengers.
April 10, 1973: Israeli commando units with the help of some Lebanese collaborators stormed into a residential quarter in East Beirut and killed three PLO leaders: Yusef Al Najjar, Kamal Adwan and Kamal Nasser.
1974: Israeli air-borne commando units attacked Beirut airport and destroyed 13 Lebanese civilian aircraft on the ground. In the same year, Israeli planes intercepted a civilian Syrian aircraft and forced it to land at Lydda (Lod) airport on suspicion that it was carrying a Palestinian commando leader. Christian shrines in Jerusalem were subjected to several acts of aggression and robbery. This included damaging the church of the Holy Sepulchre, burying four other Christian centers, and stealing the diamond Crown of the Virgin Mary.
1975-1980: Israeli's intelligence service, the Mossad, distinguished itself by feats of terrorist actions that killed a number of Arab and Palestinian diplomats, scientists and journalists such as the PLO representatives in London, Rome, Paris and Brussels, prominent Palestinian journalist and writer Ghassan Kanafani and the Egyptian nuclear scientist Dr. Al Mashad.
1981: Putting their so-called pre-emptive policy in action, Israeli warplanes raided and destroyed a peaceful Iraqi nuclear reactor near Baghdad.
June 6, 1982: The Israeli armed forces invaded Lebanon. Less than two weeks after its election, the New Menachem Begin government unleashed the first blow in its war to liquidate the PLO in Lebanon.
June 1982: Israeli forced launched their savage invasion of Lebanon. As a result of this invasion a great number of refugee camps, Lebanese towns and villages were destroyed. Israeli warplanes launched eight raids on Palestinian targets in South Lebanon and Beirut, killing nearly one thousand people and wounding many others. The fantasy of the "pre-emptive strike policy" was dropped and even the Jerusalem Post correspondent was at pains to explain the purpose of the bombing raids. "The past few days of activities on the northern border followed five weeks of quiet. It is not know what triggered Israeli's Friday afternoon raid." Outraged by Israel's onslaught and the cruel destruction of Beirut, Jewish journalist Jacobo Timmerman called Begin "unbalanced" a "terrorist" and "a disgrace to the people." He accused Sharon of helping to make Israel "the Prussia of the Middle East.&quo t;
July 17, 1982: U.S. supplied F-4 and F-5 jets swooped low over Beirut in 4 passes, bombing the densely-populated Fakahani district. Five tall apartment buildings were destroyed, 200 people were killed and 800 wounded. Forty percent of the victims were small children, and one of the survivors was an unborn baby pulled by doctors from the dead mother's womb. Israel's then Chief-of-staff Rafael Eitan announced on Israeli Radio that civilian causalities were unimportant and that the Arab causalities suffered as of the July 17 attack did not yet constitute the Israeli "final solution."
September 1982: Israeli raids and bombardments continued during the weeks following the raid on Beirut in July. It was the beginning of the invasion of Beirut; after which an 80 days war led by Ariel Sharon, (then War Minister of Israel) resulted in the destruction of much of Beirut, killing and wounding thousands of Palestinians and Lebanese civilians. It was during this invasion that the massacre of the Sabra and Shatila refugee camps was committed. Where over 2,500 Palestinian women, children and elderly people were slaughtered in cold blood. Even the Israeli high court held a number of the Israeli military officers, including Sharon, responsible.
October 1982: Israeli terrorists bombed the houses, cars and offices of three elected Palestinian mayors on the West Bank, Nablus, Ramallah and Al Beireh.
1984: Israeli warships and gunboats intercepted merchant ships on the high seas off the coast of Lebanon and kidnapped a number of Palestinians.
1985: Israeli planes raided and destroyed the PLO headquarters in Tunis.
1986: Israeli secret agents assassinated a noted Palestinian cartoonist Naji Al Ali, in London.
April 1988: Israeli commando units stormed into the house of Khalil Al Wazir, in Tunis. Al Wazir who was the most senior PLO military commander and believed to be in charge of the Intifada, was murdered while sleeping.
February and March 1989: Israeli F-16 planes pounded Palestinian targets in Lebanon's Shouf Mountains, Damour and the Beka's valley with a series of raids killing a numbers of civilians, including 15 school children in Damour.
April 14, 1989: Israeli border guards and settlers attacked the peaceful and unarmed village of Nahalin near Bethlehem. Eight Palestinians were massacred for no reason and over 50 were injured. The killings took place late in the night and at the beginning of the Holy month of Ramadan.

Could this sort of actions by the Jews be the reason they have been run out of every country on earth, except the United States, and there is not much doubt that one day America will realize just how much the Jews despise and loth them; and they too will rise up and drive them out.
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Expulsions of Jews from host districts, cities and countries:
554, Diocese of Clement (France)
561, Diocese of Uzes (France)
612, Visigoth Spain
642, Visigoth Empire
855, Italy
876, Sens
1012, Mainz
1181, France
1290, England
1306, France
1348, Switzerland
1349, Heilbronn (Germany)
1349, Hungary
1388, Strasbourg
1394, Germany
1394, France
1422, Austria
1424, Fribourg & Zurich
1426, Cologne
1432, Savory
1438, Mainz
1439, Augsburg
1446, Bavaria
1453, Franconia
1453, Breslau
1454, Wurzburg
1485, Vincenza (Italy)
1492, Spain
1495, Lithuania
1497, Portugal
1499, Germany
1514, Strasbourg
1519, Regensburg
1540, Naples
1542, Bohemia
1550, Genoa
1551, Bavaria
1555, Pesaro
1559, Austria
1561, Prague
1567, Wurzburg, Genoese Republic
1569, Papal States
1571, Brandenburg
1582, Netherlands
1593, Brandenburg, Austria
1597, Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614, Frankfurt
1615, Worms
1619, Kiev
1649, Ukraine
1654, Little Russia (Ukraine)
1656, Lithuania
1669, Oran (North Africa)
1670, Vienna
1712, Sandomir
1727, Russia
1738, Wuerttemburg
1740, Little Russia (Ukraine)
1744, Bohemia
1744, Livonia
1745, Moravia
1753, Kovad (Lithuania)
1761, Bordeaux
1772, Jews deported to the Pale of Settlement (Russia)
1775, Warsaw
1789, Alsace
1804, Russian villages
1808, Russian villages and countrysides
1815, Lubeck & Bremen
1815, Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820, Bremes
1843, Russian border with Austria & Prussia
1862, Tennessee (USA), by military order of General Grant
1866, Galatz, Romania
1919, Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45, Axis-Nazi controlled lands
1948, Arab countries.

source: http://www.rense.com/general21/pastzionist.htm

[Super_Ludacris]

I don't think so anymore. Their goal is the death of all "infidels" and without our intervention at this point, Ifear the entire region will end up like Afghanistan under the Taliban. (Not that it's a much better place now.)
I wish we'd stepped in in Afghanistan ten years earlier, when ithe hideous human rights violations became common knowledge. Executing women in stadiums for so-called moral crimes. Jesus, why did the civilized world let that go on so long? Same thing in Rwanda. Not taking action there was shameful. Even Clinton says it's one of the biggest regrets of his presidency. (Right up there with not keeping it in his pants :cool: )

And yes, it's an unfortunate fact that we basically created Bin Laden & his sick bunch. We definitely trained them in Afghanistan 30 years ago.

I would say that we're to blame for a lot of grief on this planet.
We need to do better. I hope the puppet masters running this show have learned something from these mistakes. Unless they weren't really mistakes in their estimation , which is frightening.

But butting out? No, we can't leave Isreal unprotected. We can't allow the region to be plunged into further darkness.
The only solution is exterminating the Islamofanatics.

Regrettably, an Hiroshima-sized show of force by Israel may be needed, and soon. And we'll have to support it.
Massive loss of life; Save civilization.
It's a sick trade, but it may be necessary.



That's pretty dumb logic though, because calling on a extermination of a whole religon or race of people is only going to lead to more hatred from other areas of the world. It's bad enough there causing some of it with the way they handle wars ( I mean the civillian deaths are shocking, why cant they move in by ground and immobilize?).
Nah, see if the US wants to win the war against terrorism they need to work systematically with the allies who understand those areas or are more moderate Islam nations (and theres plenty out there like Jordan) and also work with the UN.
See with Afghanistan it was justified in 2001, the world and Middle Eastern nations supported us on that cause they knew Taliban had a backwards mentality that a lotta arab governments didnt want in that region anymore.
Problem is after Iraq and this government's stance to alienate other nations that isnt gonna help, they gotta right there own wrongs and stop big headed in order for others to do the same. Cause that's why I think you get a lot of fundamentalism in all sides of the war (the growing support of extremism in Islam, Zionist support in Israel and the growing neo-conservativism of fours back here in the US) because issues werent addressed and kept in perspective at the start, justifications for extremism in all forums are tolerated when they really shouldnt

[kane9321]

i went to a (u.s.a get the hell outta iraq,israel leave lebanon.) protest this weekend in s.f it was awsome(never seen so many fineeee assed middle-eastern wimmins..in my life).even purchased a head scarf thingy. (had to blend in).lol

[kainedamo]

I was watching the news the other day, and David Cameron was talking.

I hope this douchebag never gets elected. The guy is worse than Blair. Using the current airport situation to criticise Blair for not being tough enough on terror. And he completely avoided the real issues at hand, not a mention of things going on internationally. Just pointing his finger and saying the guys that planned the attack are religious wackjobs. Oh no, it couldn't possibly be a response to international affairs!! Jesus!

Do people never get bored of listening to Bush make speeches?? Bush, every single time he talks about what's going on in the middle east or terrorism, it's the same damn thing!

"We will continue to fight this war on terror!"
"These people are freedom haters!"
"We have to preserve our freedom, and ensure democracy for people in these poor countries!"

You can't force democracy on people, dip****.

Who says democracy is that great anyway. Just look at David Cameron. Come next election, either Labour or David Cameron will be in power. That's democracy?? Screw that.

[kane9321]

Israel are the real terrorists. Britain and America are hypocrites for supporting them.

How many people do you think are lining up to join Hezbollah?


that just about sums it up right there:(

[TheSumOfGod]

Israel are the real terrorists. Britain and America are hypocrites for supporting them.

How many people do you think are lining up to join Hezbollah?

I read their free booklet this week-end. I like their "70 virgins in Heaven" part, but not so much their "blowing yourself up and killing innocent people" part. Too picky, I know...

[Gonking]

Do people never get bored of listening to Bush make speeches?? Bush, every single time he talks about what's going on in the middle east or terrorism, it's the same damn thing!


I bored of listening Bush's speeches of anything, I can't stand that son of a b***, I hope he burns in hell.

[Edenbeast]

I read their free booklet this week-end. I like their "70 virgins in Heaven" part, but not so much their "blowing yourself up and killing innocent people" part. Too picky, I know...

Would you blow yourself up if you had warships, tanks, warplanes to defend yourself after witnessing your mother being brutally raped or your kid sister shot in the head? (btw, this stuff really happens and it will nver be shown on your CNNs or ABCs).

[Edenbeast]

I just go this in my Email LOOL bloody funny

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5883/nooeng6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Super_Ludacris]

I read their free booklet this week-end. I like their "70 virgins in Heaven" part, but not so much their "blowing yourself up and killing innocent people" part. Too picky, I know...

Well look on the bright side, the book-let for the US Army and Isarel is the same...........except they dont have the 70 Virgins in heaven. Unless you count the 18 year old guys drafted who will join you when you die

[squeekness]

I just don't see what either side got out of this month long war except a lot of dead civilians on both sides. Hezbollah is still active and will just reform and now that they are recieving very vocal support from Iran and Syria, they will be emboldened to pull another stunt and this could all happen again. This is a war that is only put on hold, not ended by any means. :(

[Gonking]

I just go this in my Email LOOL bloody funny

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5883/nooeng6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


lol!!!

[kainedamo]

I just don't see what either side got out of this month long war except a lot of dead civilians on both sides. Hezbollah is still active and will just reform and now that they are recieving very vocal support from Iran and Syria, they will be emboldened to pull another stunt and this could all happen again. This is a war that is only put on hold, not ended by any means. :(


Not to mention the increased public support of hezbollah by the people of Lebanon.

Israel gained nothing from this war. People keep saying "they have a right to defend themselves". Alot of people wouldn't have much of a problem with this if they actually defended themselves effectively.

[raybia]

Not to mention the increased public support of hezbollah by the people of Lebanon.

Israel gained nothing from this war. People keep saying "they have a right to defend themselves". Alot of people wouldn't have much of a problem with this if they actually defended themselves effectively.

Actually the beneficiary of this war was the U.S. This was their opportunity to see if their new bunker buster bombs that they supplied to Israel would actually work against Hezbollah.

If so then they could be certain that they could be effective against Iran's underground nuclear program which would allow the U.S. to go full steam ahead with their planned attack of Iran.

[kainedamo]

God I'm so depressed. The Americans are gonna invade Iran and the American public aren't going to have a problem with it.

[jaguarr]

i went to a (u.s.a get the hell outta iraq,israel leave lebanon.) protest this weekend in s.f it was awsome(never seen so many fineeee assed middle-eastern wimmins..in my life).even purchased a head scarf thingy. (had to blend in).lol

Did you get any numbers?

jag

[raybia]

God I'm so depressed. The Americans are gonna invade Iran and the American public aren't going to have a problem with it.


The American people have been effectively controlled (ala V for Vendetta).

In order for the masses to reclaim America from the conspirators, something or someone will have to awaken the consciousness of the public.

Whatever that may be will come from within.

[kainedamo]

The American people have been effectively controlled (ala V for Vendetta).

In order for the masses to reclaim America from the conspirators, something or someone will have to awaken the consciousness of the public.

Whatever that may be will come from within.


It's a nice idea, but I don't think it's terribly realistic. And even if some Americans did decide to start some sort of movement, how are they supposed to awaken the consciousness of the public? Blowing up the White House or something like that really wouldn't work in their favour.

[Edenbeast]

It's a nice idea, but I don't think it's terribly realistic. And even if some Americans did decide to start some sort of movement, how are they supposed to awaken the consciousness of the public? Blowing up the White House or something like that really wouldn't work in their favour.

First they need to gain control and power over the many forms of media which are brainwashing them on an hourly basis.

[raybia]

It's a nice idea, but I don't think it's terribly realistic. And even if some Americans did decide to start some sort of movement, how are they supposed to awaken the consciousness of the public? Blowing up the White House or something like that really wouldn't work in their favour.


No thats not what I meant. I was comparing how the American public and how public opinion is manipulated by the Government and the corporations including all of the media outlets as demostrated by that movie.

I would never advocate the action taken by V against the Government.

The way to awake the masses is by undoing the many decades of indoctrination. Such a program would take place on a grassroots level and will take at least a couple of generations to be realized. In fact it may alright be underway.

Once the public has awaken, there wouldn't need to be an overthrow of the Government, we would just enforce and use the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to take this country back from the conspirators.

[raybia]

First they need to gain control and power over the many forms of media which are brainwashing them on an hourly basis.


The public wouldn't need to gain control. All they would need to do is realize the true nature of it and to stop it subjecting themselves to it and stop supporting it financially.

I myself, have stopped watching T.V. for over 6 months except to view DVDs of my choice. When it comes to the news, while I still read the news for U.S. and western media outlets, I scruitize everything and I always get the non-western perspective as well.

[Edenbeast]

No thats not what I meant. I was comparing how the American public and how public opinion is manipulated by the Government and the corporations including all of the media outlets as demostrated by that movie.

I would never advocate the action taken by V against the Government.

The way to awake the masses is by undoing the many decades of indoctrination. Such a program would take place on a grassroots level and will take at least a couple of generations to be realized. In fact it may alright be underway.

Once the public has awaken, there wouldn't need to be an overthrow of the Government, we would just enforce and use the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to take this country back from the conspirators.

I truly wish that could happen here in Egypt.

[raybia]

I truly wish that could happen here in Egypt.

It would originated in America but its effects and benefits would be experienced in Egypt as well.

[kainedamo]

Your ideas are intriguing to me. I do agree that there is some sort of power conspiracy going on. Not some sort of weird sci-fi conspiracy, but there is a bigger picture that all the big players have their eyes on, and the media is being used to further the objectives. Hard to put into words really.

So you believe that this movement is already happening, and that it's not necasserily a violent movement? Just something that's what... gonna spread by word of mouth??

[TheSumOfGod]

Would you blow yourself up if you had warships, tanks, warplanes to defend yourself after witnessing your mother being brutally raped or your kid sister shot in the head? (btw, this stuff really happens and it will nver be shown on your CNNs or ABCs).

I wasn't putting them down, if I were in their position, I would probably react the same way and resort to the same methods, but I'm not them, I'm not in their position, and there's no way in hell that I'm joining them or helping them out. :o

[TheSumOfGod]

God I'm so depressed. The Americans are gonna invade Iran and the American public aren't going to have a problem with it.

There's gonna be another 9/11-level fake terrorist attack soon, blamed on Iran this time, so why would the completely clueless American people have a problem with "their" country "defending" itself? :rolleyes:

[kainedamo]

I don't think 9/11 was fake. Think about the amount of people that would have to be "in on it" for them to get away with that.

[Edenbeast]

It would originated in America but its effects and benefits would be experienced in Egypt as well.

Yeah but the problem is that the U.S government controls the Egyptian Government, because Egypt is considered to be the "big sister" of the middle east/ arab world and that will help the U.S gov. to gain access to the rest of the arab world and control all their natural resources (which is one of heir main objectives). Also by controlling the Egyptian gov. helps weakening the people's will through high rates of unemployment, prostitution, drugs, prices of goods are sky rocketing so that when Egypt's time comes (with all its corruption and decandence and poverty) to be occupied or divided into north and south there won't be any resistance from the Egyptian people, their efforts will all be futile if there will be any.

[Superman4ever]

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[TheSumOfGod]

I don't think 9/11 was fake. Think about the amount of people that would have to be "in on it" for them to get away with that.

Not as many as you think. Those who actually pulled it off were Black Ops and therefore know how to shut the f*** up and disappear from sight, those that thought it up and gave the orders are involved to the neck and therefore shall never be stupid enough to incriminate themselves, everyone else either has too little information to make sense of it, or are in a profound state of denial. :o

[kainedamo]

What makes you think it was fake?

Sure, the governemnt used 9/11 to it's advantage to wage a war that can never end against boogeymen. But that isn't proof of anything.

[raybia]

So you believe that this movement is already happening, and that it's not necasserily a violent movement? Just something that's what... gonna spread by word of mouth??

Yes, I know for a fact that is happening but this movement (for lack of a better word) does not advocate violence in order to reclaim this country, this society.

Its a message that is spreading by word of mouth and curiousity and desperation will cause people to truly consider this message. People will do so because of the promise that it canl free the minds of the common person and establish justice, freedom and equality for all people because that is our rights as a human being.

It will take at least a couple of generations but it will prove to be effective and lasting in the long run.

[kainedamo]

It's a nice idea, but I don't see how it's possible.

The government is too powerful and too rich. We all see how unwilling to do anything the American public are. In fact, most Americans as far as I can see don't even see anything wrong. While the British public aren't happy with things, and they show it, they're unable to bring about change. Like I said earlier in the thread, next election it's a choice between David Cameron and Labour. Things will suck either way, especially with David Cameron of the Tories. I think he'll get it, simply because people are fed up with Labour. I hope people can see Cameron is the same thing, only worse and more of it. It will suck, and the people will hate it, but they won't be able to change it.

The most we'll get is a few riots and a few terrorist attacks from angry Muslims. The common people lack the will power and the tools to change the system from the current false democracy.

[CapBeerCino]

I think "Death to Isreal", "Death to America" and "Kill the infidel" sums it up nicely.

That's why I have no sympathy for Hezbollah. They want people like me dead.

What's 'people like you'?

[kainedamo]

Maybe he means people that like freedom. LOL! Goddamn those freedom haters! LOL!

[Hooligan32]

What's 'people like you'? Fat, lazy, rich, white, apathetic towards global suffering I'd guess.

[Hooligan32]

Maybe he means people that like freedom. LOL! Goddamn those freedom haters! LOL! "You love freedom? Then be a patriot! We've got flags for sale in all sizes! Buy now, the freedom kit for only $10.95. It contains 20 different sizes and types of flags! Or the Patriot Pack with 40! Be more patriotic than the guys who bought the Freedom Kit! Flags for your house, flags for your car, flags for your kids, flags for your dog, flags for your food. We've got flags you can stick up your ass! Have flags grafted on the inside of your eyelids! No reason not to be a patriot while you're sleeping. We've got flag pills you can eat so that you **** out flags! Order now! All flags made by Chinese prison labourers." - David Cross

[Edenbeast]

"You love freedom? Then be a patriot! We've got flags for sale in all sizes! Buy now, the freedom kit for only $10.95. It contains 20 different sizes and types of flags! Or the Patriot Pack with 40! Be more patriotic than the guys who bought the Freedom Kit! Flags for your house, flags for your car, flags for your kids, flags for your dog, flags for your food. We've got flags you can stick up your ass! Have flags grafted on the inside of your eyelids! No reason not to be a patriot while you're sleeping. We've got flag pills you can eat so that you **** out flags! Order now! All flags made by Chinese prison labourers." - David Cross

:D HAHAHA

[Kurosawa]

What's 'people like you'?

Anyone who is not a radical fundamentalist Islamist terrorist nut or a sympathizer of the same.

I'm not Jewish, if that's what you mean. I'm not even particularly religious and when I see all this killing and intolerence in the name of "God", it makes me wonder if the world wouldn't be a better place if we were all atheists.

I see radical Islam as a cancer. Only mainstream Muslims can cure it, because theres no way the US, Isreal or any other outside force can. They've got to get their nutcases under control. It's time for the Muslim world to grow up and come into modern times. And the first thing that has to go to accomplish that is idiotic fanatical devotion to any religion.

Of course it's not in the interests of the forces that rule those countries to do that. Religion is a large part of how they keep most people ignorant and poor over there. The standard of living in middle eastern countries should be comparable to Western Europe's when you consider the natural resources they have. But the people are all ignorant and the governements there keep them so.

[Kurosawa]

Fat, lazy, rich, white, apathetic towards global suffering I'd guess.

Go straight to hell, *******. I guess suffering is ok when it's Isralei's doing the suffering for you.

Piece of ****.

And I'm none of the above, least of all rich.

[Mr Sparkle]

"You love freedom? Then be a patriot! We've got flags for sale in all sizes! Buy now, the freedom kit for only $10.95. It contains 20 different sizes and types of flags! Or the Patriot Pack with 40! Be more patriotic than the guys who bought the Freedom Kit! Flags for your house, flags for your car, flags for your kids, flags for your dog, flags for your food. We've got flags you can stick up your ass! Have flags grafted on the inside of your eyelids! No reason not to be a patriot while you're sleeping. We've got flag pills you can eat so that you **** out flags! Order now! All flags made by Chinese prison labourers." - David Cross

"eat the flag! eat it!" god that sketch is hilarious:up:

[Kurosawa]

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All that information is spun to fit his anti-semitic beliefs. He's a complete racist. The little "Hollywood films" crack is a dead giveaway of that.

Bigots disgust me.

[Mr Sparkle]

All that information is spun to fit his anti-semitic beliefs. He's a complete racist. The little "Hollywood films" crack is a dead giveaway of that.

Bigots disgust me.

:confused: you're dumb, pack it up go home.
have you noticed how everything you disagree with is "spun" or "antisemitic"
grow a spine, admit you're wrong.
please point to the "spun" info and how it was spun. that was a really long and accurate post and you expect to just pop in and say "NOT!" and "that guy's racist" and expect us to believe it?:down

[Kurosawa]

:confused: you're dumb, pack it up go home.
have you noticed how everything you disagree with is "spun" or "antisemitic"
grow a spine, admit you're wrong.
please point to the "spun" info and how it was spun. that was a really long and accurate post and you expect to just pop in and say "NOT!" and "that guy's racist" and expect us to believe it?:down

One could easily write an essay on the American or Feench revolutions and make them sound like acts of pure evil. The same could be done with the Union during the Civil War.

Me not being a sympathizer to radical Islamist terrorists hardly makes me dumb. And a huge part of the base for radical Islam is built on anti-semitism. Isreal is the convenient boogyman for those hate groups.

The funny thing about is all of this is that I'm not even a conservative. I knew the war in Iraq was a stupid idea and was based on lies before it even started. I can't stand George W. Bush and voted against him twice. So it's not like I'm some flag-waving yahoo or anything. I just happen to feel that more often than not, Isreal has been in the right in their various conflicts over the years. Isreal is NOT going anywhere, and their neighbors just need to accept that and move on.

[Mr Sparkle]

One could easily write an essay on the American or Feench revolutions and make them sound like acts of pure evil. The same could be done with the Union during the Civil War.

Me not being a sympathizer to radical Islamist terrorists hardly makes me dumb. And a huge part of the base for radical Islam is built on anti-semitism. Isreal is the convenient boogyman for those hate groups.

The funny thing about is all of this is that I'm not even a conservative. I knew the war in Iraq was a stupid idea and was based on lies before it even started. I can't stand George W. Bush and voted against him twice. So it's not like I'm some flag-waving yahoo or anything. I just happen to feel that more often than not, Isreal has been in the right in their various conflicts over the years. Isreal is NOT going anywhere, and their neighbors just need to accept that and move on.


:confused: yeah, so basically what you're saying is that you "just happen to feel that more often than not, Isreal has been in the right" no matter the ammount of information posted.
try and read what eden beast posted, look for confirmation if you so think it's "spun" but let me tell you, I looked at it. and i didn't find any evidence of it not being true.
does that make me anti-semitic? it's quite apparent you hate radical islamic groups, does that make you anti-islamic?
it would be silly of me to think so, so reflect upon that the next time you call someone an anti-semite, especially someone who actually lives in an affected region ( I understand eden best is egyptian, if not I apologize) see, for instance, recently you said that Israel was responding to Hezbolah's attacks, and that they (Hezbolah) had "started it" yet I showed you th Historical FACT that Hezbolah formed AFTER an Israeli invasion, and you called me biased.

surely you can see how I figure you're not exactly level headed on this.
don't mistake not being a republican with being right, those are 2 completely different things.
in the end, it seems to me that you're going too much on "what you feel" and too little on "what actually happened" I would expect that if you fancy yourself a rational human being you'd do some historical research.

and please, stop calling people that don't support Israel anti-semitic, unless you want to get called a white supremacist for not liking Extreme muslim groups.

[Kurosawa]

:confused: yeah, so basically what you're saying is that you "just happen to feel that more often than not, Isreal has been in the right" no matter the ammount of information posted.
try and read what eden beast posted, look for confirmation if you so think it's "spun" but let me tell you, I looked at it. and i didn't find any evidence of it not being true.
does that make me anti-semitic? it's quite apparent you hate radical islamic groups, does that make you anti-islamic?
it would be silly of me to think so, so reflect upon that the next time you call someone an anti-semite, especially someone who actually lives in an affected region ( I understand eden best is egyptian, if not I apologize) see, for instance, recently you said that Israel was responding to Hezbolah's attacks, and that they (Hezbolah) had "started it" yet I showed you th Historical FACT that Hezbolah formed AFTER an Israeli invasion, and you called me biased.

surely you can see how I figure you're not exactly level headed on this.
don't mistake not being a republican with being right, those are 2 completely different things.
in the end, it seems to me that you're going too much on "what you feel" and too little on "what actually happened" I would expect that if you fancy yourself a rational human being you'd do some historical research.

and please, stop calling people that don't support Israel anti-semitic, unless you want to get called a white supremacist for not liking Extreme muslim groups.

Yes, and the Isralei invasion was in response to rocket fire from Fatah forces in southern Lebanon and an assassination attempt on the Isralei Ambassador to the UK.

So yeah, who started what?

Isreal "started" it by existing in the first place.

And I despise radical groups of any kind. That includes radical Zionist groups. There is never under any circumstances any excuse for terrorism.

As I said before, you can spin the facts to reach any conclusion you want.

And your little "white supremacist" crack is ironic considering the fact that Jews have been targets of white supremacy groups over the years.

This is an interesting article, not exactly on the subject but certainly food for thought:

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-21.htm

I'm sure you'll disregard that as Zionist propaganda however.

Let's just leave it at this-you guys apparently support the terrorist hate groups that are out to destroy Isreal and because we're their ally, America as well. So we're gonna have to agree to disagree and you can all put me on ignore as I will for you as well.

[Mr Sparkle]

Yes, and the Isralei invasion was in response to rocket fire from Fatah forces in southern Lebanon and an assassination attempt on the Isralei Ambassador to the UK.

So yeah, who started what?

Isreal "started" it by existing in the first place.

And I despise radical groups of any kind. That includes radical Zionist groups. There is never under any circumstances any excuse for terrorism.

As I said before, you can spin the facts to reach any conclusion you want.

And your little "white supremacist" crack is ironic considering the fact that Jews have been targets of white supremacy groups over the years.

This is an interesting article, not exactly on the subject but certainly food for thought:

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-21.htm

I'm sure you'll disregard that as Zionist propaganda however.

Let's just leave it at this-you guys apparently support the terrorist hate groups that are out to destroy Isreal and because we're their ally, America as well. So we're gonna have to agree to disagree and you can all put me on ignore as I will for you as well.

1.- Hmmm, well, whoever it was It wasn't Hezbolah like you said right? do you have some trouble admitting when you're wrong or something.

2.- No, that's not it, the mere fact that you suggest this means you have only marginal knowledge about the subject

3.- It seems we agree on something.

4.- Make that two things. but I don't think you realize how this can apply to you.

5.- since I was making an example of how idiotic your "anti-semitic" comment was it seems more appropriate than Ironic.

6.- I don't disregard anything. however I do fail to see how this makes Israel innocent, they wrote an article about anti-semitic cartoons, say, I usually see anti-us government cartoons I guess that justifies the US government bombing certain newspapers.

It doesn't ?

silly me


7.- No, let's not leave it at that. you're a fool. that last statement is stupid and I expect little else from you by now. it's like being in a pro-choice debate and some idiot saying, "let's leave it at this you want to kill babies because you love satan"
you obviously have NO KNOWLEDGE OF HISTORY WHATSOEVER, not only that, you brandish your ignorance proudly. I won't "agree to disagree" because unlike you I actually know about this.

guy: 2 + 2 =5
other guy: 2+2=4
guy: you hate uneven numbers and jesus, let's agree to disagree.
other guy: **** that, you're an idiot.


yeah, that's pretty much it.

[Kurosawa]

I'm not playing your game Sparkle. You support terrorism, I do not. You have no problems with groups that want to destroy Isreal and by extent America, I do have major problems with them.

You make me sick, and you're a condescending ******* to boot. You're just not a quality human being by any stretch of the imagination.

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm not playing your game Sparkle. You support terrorism, I do not. You have no problems with groups that want to destroy Isreal and by extent America, I do have major problems with them.

You make me sick, and you're a condescending ******* to boot. You're just not a quality human being by any stretch of the imagination.

:) LOL. I'm also munching on jew baby hearts.

[Kurosawa]

:) LOL. I'm also munching on jew baby hearts.

You just proved my point.

[Edenbeast]

All that information is spun to fit his anti-semitic beliefs. He's a complete racist. The little "Hollywood films" crack is a dead giveaway of that.

Bigots disgust me.

HAHAHA that was really the dumbest post I have read so far, and this proves that you Sir know totally nothing about anything.

First calling someone else names is a great proof that you lack the ability to indulge in a healthy debate backed with solid information/evidence of what you desire to talk about.

Second calling me anti-semetic is bloody pathetic of you and a solid proof of what I just said about you above, because Mr. Kurosawa I am Egyptian and being anti-semetic (as you said) includes me as well, which doesn't make sense at all.

Third prove me wrong and find me anything that can diss what I have posted regarding the Israeli crimes committed against the Arabs.

Fourth I do believe that being an Egyptian makes me know alot more than you do about the Arab-Israeli conflict so better educate yourself or keep your mouth shut just to avoid embarrasing yourself infront of others. Egypt have had enough of the Israelis and their atrocities towards us for many years, and if you may or may not know (and to everyone else on this board) that the Israeli border troops almost every year kill 1 or 2 of the Egyptian border troops and all we get from their government is only apologies for that awful incident (WTF),which is clear that they want to drag Egypt into a war which we Egyptians won't let it happen till the right time comes.

[Kurosawa]

HAHAHA that was really the dumbest post I have read so far, and this proves that you Sir know totally nothing about anything.

First calling someone else names is a great proof that you lack the ability to indulge in a healthy debate backed with solid information/evidence of what you desire to talk about.

Second calling me anti-semetic is bloody pathetic of you and a solid proof of what I just said about you above, because Mr. Kurosawa I am Egyptian and being anti-semetic (as you said) includes me as well, which doesn't make sense at all.

Third prove me wrong and find me anything that can diss what I have posted regarding the Israeli crimes committed against the Arabs.

Fourth I do believe that being an Egyptian makes me know alot more than you do about the Arab-Israeli conflict so better educate yourself or keep your mouth shut just to avoid embarrasing yourself infront of others. Egypt have had enough of the Israelis and their atrocities towards us for many years, and if you may or may not know (and to everyone else on this board) that the Israeli border troops almost every year kill 1 or 2 of the Egyptian border troops and all we get from their government is only apologies for that awful incident (WTF),which is clear that they want to drag Egypt into a war which we Egyptians won't let it happen till the right time comes.

WTF? Your post made absolutely no sense at all. Anti-semitism is prejudice against Jews and Israelis. It doesn't apply to you in the least. Your stand against Isreal certainly shows you've been influenced by it and the "hollywood movie" crack is pure anti-semitism that Mel Gibson himself would be proud of. You're a racist. Pure and simple.

You believe the racist propaganda that you're fed. Way to think for yourself.

And by the way, I put you on ignore and I'd just as soon you do the same for me.

All of this proves to me is that these problems will never get solved. Not that anyone is shocked by that. Ignorance and prejudice and fear DO walk hand in hand.

[Mr Sparkle]

WTF? Your post made absolutely no sense at all. Anti-semitism is prejudice against Jews and Israleis. It doesn't apply to you in the least.

You believe the racist propaganda that you're fed. Way to think for yourself.

And by the way, I put you on ignore and I'd just as soon you do the same for me.

All of this proves to me is that these problems will never get solved. Not that anyone is shocked by that. Ignorance and prejudice and fear DO walk hand in hand.

Ironic isn't it folks?

[maxwell's demon]

You just proved my point.

hi. i just got here- i was in outer space earlier today. rings of neptune. long story.sorry, everyone.

could you please reiterate your point? im not sure i get it.

[Fenrir]

Anti-semitism is prejudice against Jews and Israelis.

Uh, you're very much in error there, friend. Anti-Semitism is prejudice against practitioners of the Jewish faith only. From the looks of it, those who are criticizing Israel in this discussion are doing so solely on the basis of the country's political decisions and not it's religious affiliation.

[Kurosawa]

One is tied to the other.

[Kurosawa]

hi. i just got here- i was in outer space earlier today. rings of neptune. long story.sorry, everyone.

could you please reiterate your point? im not sure i get it.

That Mr. Sparkle is a condescending jerk. And after I asked him to ignore me he refuses to do so.

[Mr Sparkle]

That Mr. Sparkle is a condescending jerk. And after I asked him to ignore me he refuses to do so.

perhaps I'm only condescending to those deserving of such treatment.:confused::up:

[Fenrir]

One is tied to the other.

Not necessarily. The criticism aimed towards Israel is because of it's reckless and particularly brutal warfare in Lebanon, not because it has Jews running the government. You would have seen pretty much the very same reaction had it been any other country as well.

[Kurosawa]

I'm speaking less of criticism of Isreal's tactics in the war and more of what motivates terrorist groups like Hezbollah in the first place.

[Kurosawa]

perhaps I'm only condescending to those deserving of such treatment.:confused::up:

Whatever.

[maxwell's demon]

That Mr. Sparkle is a condescending jerk. And after I asked him to ignore me he refuses to do so.

but larger sir. what is your take on this whole situation. israel. lebanon.

in 100 words or less, if you please. thank you.

[Kurosawa]

but larger sir. what is your take on this whole situation.

in 100 words or less, if you please. thank you.

I hate seeing all the destruction and death on both sides, but I felt Isreal was mostly in the right to invade. I also think the cease-fire will solve nothing.

To be honest, I don't think there is a solution. Not a military one anyway.

[Fenrir]

I'm speaking less of criticism of Isreal's tactics in the war and more of what motivates terrorist groups like Hezbollah in the first place.

Even so, the subject is purely political and has nothing to do with the Jewish faith itself, unless of course, the Israeli's are actually claiming to be acting in accordance with Jewish laws.

[Kurosawa]

No, but anti-semitism is a large part of what is used to motivate and brainwash terrorists.

[Fenrir]

No, but anti-semitism is a large part of what is used to motivate and brainwash terrorists.

Then why do these terrorists attack Christians and Muslims as well?

[Kurosawa]

I never said it was the only part. But it is a large part of the anti-Israeli aspect of it.

[Fenrir]

I never said it was the only part. But it is a large part of the anti-Israeli aspect of it.

I think that's a juvenile assumption (no offense intended though). Israel has shed more than enough Arab blood over the years to warrant the hate it's recieving, anti-semitism or not. I don't want to get in a circular debate of who is in the right or who started it, but the fact that anti-semitism is nowhere near to being the only cause for the enmity towards Israel must be acknowledged.

[Kurosawa]

It's not the only factor, but it is a huge part of it. The surrounding countries are going to have to realize that Isreal is not going anywhere and learn to deal with it. They can either be part of the problem or part of the solution.

Although I think eventually Isreal will end up surrounded by UN troops and buffer zones around all it's borders. It might be the only way to stop it.

[Edenbeast]

WTF? Your post made absolutely no sense at all. Anti-semitism is prejudice against Jews and Israelis. It doesn't apply to you in the least. Your stand against Isreal certainly shows you've been influenced by it and the "hollywood movie" crack is pure anti-semitism that Mel Gibson himself would be proud of. You're a racist. Pure and simple.

You believe the racist propaganda that you're fed. Way to think for yourself.

And by the way, I put you on ignore and I'd just as soon you do the same for me.

All of this proves to me is that these problems will never get solved. Not that anyone is shocked by that. Ignorance and prejudice and fear DO walk hand in hand.

If I am a racist then please point out the words I said that you think is a good proof for racism?!

By putting me in the ignore list proves that you are not capable of confronting me with the proof that the Israelis didn't commit those crimes, which clearly shows your true personality and mentality.

Oh btw Arabs are semetic too incase you don't know

[kainedamo]

Kurosawa, why are you completely and utterly unable to respond to the points made to you on the previous page?

Why are you unable to answer the questions that people have asked you?

You're an idiot dude. You've made a complete fool out of yourself by just trying to label anyone that disagrees with you anti-semetic, and calling information propeganda, but without even dealing with any of the points.

You put anyone that you disagree with on ignore. You're a coward. You have your head in the sand.

Here's a post by Edenbeast, since you put him on ignore in a very cowardly fashion...

If I am a racist then please point out the words I said that you think is a good proof for racism?!

By putting me in the ignore list proves that you are not capable of confronting me with the proof that the Israelis didn't commit those crimes, which clearly shows your true personality and mentality.

Oh btw Arabs are semetic too incase you don't know

I think you owe Edenbeast an apology for calling him antisemetic and racist.

[Kurosawa]

The "hollywood films" crack is right out of the Mel Gibson playbook as much of Hollywood is ran by Jews and it's been a longtime staple of anti-semitic propaganda to claim that Jews control the media and use it to push their agenda.

I put you guys on ignore not because I can't refute your arguements-because for every Israeli atrocity I could easily name off multiple atrocities by their enemies, but because it's pretty clear to me by the stance you guys have on this subject that you are anti-Isreal, anti-American and pro-terrorist and I know that you can't debate with radicals. Not to mention the fact that every single one of you guys went out of your way to make this personal with me.

Sad thing is I'm sure I agree with most of you guys about the Iraq mess. But I just happen to feel that Isreal has a right to exist and that in most of their various conflicts over the years, they've been in the right. You guys disagree, and so that's the end of it.

[kane9321]

Did you get any numbers?

jag



no way...my financee was with me..:eek:

[kainedamo]

The "hollywood films" crack is right out of the Mel Gibson playbook as much of Hollywood is ran by Jews and it's been a longtime staple of anti-semitic propaganda to claim that Jews control the media and use it to push their agenda.

I put you guys on ignore not because I can't refute your arguements-because for every Israeli atrocity I could easily name off multiple atrocities by their enemies, but because it's pretty clear to me by the stance you guys have on this subject that you are anti-Isreal, anti-American and pro-terrorist and I know that you can't debate with radicals. Not to mention the fact that every single one of you guys went out of your way to make this personal with me.

Sad thing is I'm sure I agree with most of you guys about the Iraq mess. But I just happen to feel that Isreal has a right to exist and that in most of their various conflicts over the years, they've been in the right. You guys disagree, and so that's the end of it.

Kurosawa - of the Osterich family. Putting his head in the sand yet again. Enjoy labelling people and ignoring arguments, you idiot. Feel free to put me on ignore.

[Sandman138]

If I am a racist then please point out the words I said that you think is a good proof for racism?!

By putting me in the ignore list proves that you are not capable of confronting me with the proof that the Israelis didn't commit those crimes, which clearly shows your true personality and mentality.

Oh btw Arabs are semetic too incase you don't know

Could this sort of actions by the Jews be the reason they have been run out of every country on earth, except the United States, and there is not much doubt that one day America will realize just how much the Jews despise and loth them; and they too will rise up and drive them out.
---------------------------------------------
Expulsions of Jews from host districts, cities and countries:
554, Diocese of Clement (France)
561, Diocese of Uzes (France)
612, Visigoth Spain
642, Visigoth Empire
855, Italy
876, Sens
1012, Mainz
1181, France
1290, England
1306, France
1348, Switzerland
1349, Heilbronn (Germany)
1349, Hungary
1388, Strasbourg
1394, Germany
1394, France
1422, Austria
1424, Fribourg & Zurich
1426, Cologne
1432, Savory
1438, Mainz
1439, Augsburg
1446, Bavaria
1453, Franconia
1453, Breslau
1454, Wurzburg
1485, Vincenza (Italy)
1492, Spain
1495, Lithuania
1497, Portugal
1499, Germany
1514, Strasbourg
1519, Regensburg
1540, Naples
1542, Bohemia
1550, Genoa
1551, Bavaria
1555, Pesaro
1559, Austria
1561, Prague
1567, Wurzburg, Genoese Republic
1569, Papal States
1571, Brandenburg
1582, Netherlands
1593, Brandenburg, Austria
1597, Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614, Frankfurt
1615, Worms
1619, Kiev
1649, Ukraine
1654, Little Russia (Ukraine)
1656, Lithuania
1669, Oran (North Africa)
1670, Vienna
1712, Sandomir
1727, Russia
1738, Wuerttemburg
1740, Little Russia (Ukraine)
1744, Bohemia
1744, Livonia
1745, Moravia
1753, Kovad (Lithuania)
1761, Bordeaux
1772, Jews deported to the Pale of Settlement (Russia)
1775, Warsaw
1789, Alsace
1804, Russian villages
1808, Russian villages and countrysides
1815, Lubeck & Bremen
1815, Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820, Bremes
1843, Russian border with Austria & Prussia
1862, Tennessee (USA), by military order of General Grant
1866, Galatz, Romania
1919, Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45, Axis-Nazi controlled lands
1948, Arab countries.

Argue semantics all you want, that vile bull**** is anti-semetic, or would you perfer anti-k*ke? Which one fits better with your general world outlook? *******.

[Jolie_Desastre]

10 evacuation pics coming up in about half an hour

[Mr Sparkle]

Argue semantics all you want, that vile bull**** is anti-semetic, or would you perfer anti-k*ke? Which one fits better with your general world outlook? *******.

granted, that last portion IS pretty inflamatory (especially the one where the Nazi thing is mentioned....jeeeeeez) but it seems that (unless he wrote it) that is the responsibility of the guy from rense.com who did write ( as eden beast merely copied and pasted it) all of the other incidents are real are they not?
the whole "anti-****" thing was over the top though or it seemed like that to me.
I knew of these things previous to eden beast posting the article so it really didn't surprise me much, or strike me as something reeking of racism.
perhaps he should've linked to the individual incidents (from various sources) and skipped the last part. completely true it does infact seem racist.

however, and perhaps to the crux of everything. is anything else posted by him an apparent fabrication or blatanly biased and racist? when it comes to this thread I mean?

perhaps, perhaps not.

[Jolie_Desastre]

my mommy with the marines
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures198.jpg
some marine i took a pic of. i was yelling hey sir sir! no don't come here i just wanna take a pic, he had a cute smile
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures199.jpg
the first of many lines we had to wait at
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures201.jpg
a pic from the bus we left in on our way to the boat
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures200.jpg
lines
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures202.jpg
people getting their mre's i didn't have time to get one cause my bus was the first to leave
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures203.jpg

[Jolie_Desastre]

just a random picture
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures204.jpg
some pics i took on the bus ride to the boat
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures205.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures206.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures207.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures208.jpg

[Jolie_Desastre]

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures209.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures210.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures211.jpg
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d24/cancerkitty08/mypictures212.jpg

bye bye beirut :(

[Edenbeast]

Argue semantics all you want, that vile bull**** is anti-semetic, or would you perfer anti-k*ke? Which one fits better with your general world outlook? *******.

As Mr Sparkle said I merely copied and pasted the article and if you feel like having issues with whats been posted feel free to contact the owner of rense.com!!

oh and a word of advice try to be more polite and not call people names ok, because with that kind of behaviour in a public place might end you up in a morgue with a bullet in your head.

[Kurosawa]

Kurosawa - of the Osterich family. Putting his head in the sand yet again. Enjoy labelling people and ignoring arguments, you idiot. Feel free to put me on ignore.

Kainedamo-of the sheep family, blindly following his masters as he is brainwashed into hate.

You're not only an idiot, you're so stupid you can't even realize it.

What you really are is pathetic.

[Kurosawa]

Originally Posted by Edenbeast
If I am a racist then please point out the words I said that you think is a good proof for racism?!

By putting me in the ignore list proves that you are not capable of confronting me with the proof that the Israelis didn't commit those crimes, which clearly shows your true personality and mentality.

Oh btw Arabs are semetic too incase you don't know

Quote:
Originally Posted by Edenbeast
Could this sort of actions by the Jews be the reason they have been run out of every country on earth, except the United States, and there is not much doubt that one day America will realize just how much the Jews despise and loth them; and they too will rise up and drive them out.
---------------------------------------------
Expulsions of Jews from host districts, cities and countries:
554, Diocese of Clement (France)
561, Diocese of Uzes (France)
612, Visigoth Spain
642, Visigoth Empire
855, Italy
876, Sens
1012, Mainz
1181, France
1290, England
1306, France
1348, Switzerland
1349, Heilbronn (Germany)
1349, Hungary
1388, Strasbourg
1394, Germany
1394, France
1422, Austria
1424, Fribourg & Zurich
1426, Cologne
1432, Savory
1438, Mainz
1439, Augsburg
1446, Bavaria
1453, Franconia
1453, Breslau
1454, Wurzburg
1485, Vincenza (Italy)
1492, Spain
1495, Lithuania
1497, Portugal
1499, Germany
1514, Strasbourg
1519, Regensburg
1540, Naples
1542, Bohemia
1550, Genoa
1551, Bavaria
1555, Pesaro
1559, Austria
1561, Prague
1567, Wurzburg, Genoese Republic
1569, Papal States
1571, Brandenburg
1582, Netherlands
1593, Brandenburg, Austria
1597, Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614, Frankfurt
1615, Worms
1619, Kiev
1649, Ukraine
1654, Little Russia (Ukraine)
1656, Lithuania
1669, Oran (North Africa)
1670, Vienna
1712, Sandomir
1727, Russia
1738, Wuerttemburg
1740, Little Russia (Ukraine)
1744, Bohemia
1744, Livonia
1745, Moravia
1753, Kovad (Lithuania)
1761, Bordeaux
1772, Jews deported to the Pale of Settlement (Russia)
1775, Warsaw
1789, Alsace
1804, Russian villages
1808, Russian villages and countrysides
1815, Lubeck & Bremen
1815, Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820, Bremes
1843, Russian border with Austria & Prussia
1862, Tennessee (USA), by military order of General Grant
1866, Galatz, Romania
1919, Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45, Axis-Nazi controlled lands
1948, Arab countries.

Argue semantics all you want, that vile bull**** is anti-semetic, or would you perfer anti-k*ke? Which one fits better with your general world outlook? *******.


Busted. Guy's a raving bigot. He wouldn't have posted this if he didn't agree with it.

[Kurosawa]

As Mr Sparkle said I merely copied and pasted the article and if you feel like having issues with whats been posted feel free to contact the owner of rense.com!!

oh and a word of advice try to be more polite and not call people names ok, because with that kind of behaviour in a public place might end you up in a morgue with a bullet in your head.

Wow...just wow. A death threat.

[Kurosawa]

Oh, and by the way:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anti-Semitism

For those who don't understand the definiation of the term.

Though semite does refer to many native peoples of the area, anti-semitism itself applies to racism agains those of the Jewish faith.

[AnimeJune]

Wow - just wow. This is my first post in this particular thread, and WOW.
Do we need to insult our opponents? We're all just people at our computers expressing our opinions. It's alright to disagree, but is it so hard to be polite about it?

Let me express my main points:
-I support Israel in this conflict, but I don't believe people who support Lebanon are anti-Semitic. I agree with the opinion that the support for Lebanon (at least by first world countries) is not fueled by anti-semitism, but by a desire to see the violence end. The only reason most of the public's hatred is directed towards Israel is because Israel is causing more damage. If Hezbollah had been bombing Israel nonstop and the Israelis were doing nothing about it, I believe public opinion would have been in Israel's favour.

But Israel gave Lebanon a massive smack-down, so there are naturally more distressing casualties for the Lebanese side.

HOWEVER, I believe Israel is defending itself in this case. There's a proverb I've heard: "If the Arab nations lay down their weapons, there will be peace. If Israel lay down its weapons, it would be destroyed." While it is a generality, I tend to agree. While its methods are hard-hitting, Israel's attacks are rarely unprovoked. If the Arab nations surrounding it weren't always peppering Israel with bombs and terrorism, would Israel be attacking them? I honestly don't think so.

Israel is a nation that is surrounded by nations that have been in an official state of war with Israel for at least twenty years. THIS INCLUDES LEBANON - people trying to remind us of Lebanon's supposed "innocence" in this conflict should remember that their country has been, for DECADES, officially at war with Israel.

Israel is surrounded by countries whose highest goal is to wipe them off the map - to them, it's fight back until the problem is resolved or be pushed into the sea. In the sixty years Israel's been a nation, have they ever been completely at peace? They can't afford to just sit back and take it.

Plus, what made up my mind about the conflict was what Hezbollah did when Israel gave them a temporary cease-fire. Israel throws them a bone, and what do they do? Shower Israel with missiles. Real classy move, Hezbollah.

The Arab nations have always used the same tactic to attack Israel.
1. They provoke Israel with an unwarranted attack.
2. Israel fights back, and as usual, kicks major ass.
3. After getting their asses handed to them, the Arabs run crying and screaming to the UN, begging for a ceasefire to a war THEY started.
4. UN tells Israel to stop - and when Israel begins measures to do so, the Arabs go, "Yay! We won!"
Repeat cycle as necessary. Every peace measure Israel's attempted has been considered a sign of weakness to the Arab nations. Realistically, what is Israel supposed to do?

I appreciate the chance to voice my opinion, and hope to keep this discussion polite.

[Sandman138]

As Mr Sparkle said I merely copied and pasted the article and if you feel like having issues with whats been posted feel free to contact the owner of rense.com!!

oh and a word of advice try to be more polite and not call people names ok, because with that kind of behaviour in a public place might end you up in a morgue with a bullet in your head.

I'll be more polite when you stop cutting and pasting material from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That kind of **** is standard Neo-Nazi rhetoric.

"Could this sort of actions by the Jews be the reason they have been run out of every country on earth, except the United States, and there is not much doubt that one day America will realize just how much the Jews despise and loth them; and they too will rise up and drive them out."

If you can't see how that makes you look like an anti-semite for posting it under your name, then I can only assume you agree with it.

[AnimeJune]

I'll be more polite when you stop cutting and pasting material from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That kind of **** is standard Neo-Nazi rhetoric.

"Could this sort of actions by the Jews be the reason they have been run out of every country on earth, except the United States, and there is not much doubt that one day America will realize just how much the Jews despise and loth them; and they too will rise up and drive them out."

If you can't see how that makes you look like an anti-semite for posting it under your name, then I can only assume you agree with it.Agreed. I'd like to know why you (Edenbeast) seem to believe that American Jews despise and loathe American Gentiles. My Roman Catholic mum (who's studying Hebrew), has a wide network of close Jewish friends, in Canada, America, Israel, and elsewhere. So far, there's been no hatred directed towards Gentiles expressed.

Sure, there are a few Jewish groups out there who are hostile towards Gentiles, but that's mainly because the amount of relentless bigotry they've had directed at them has made them lose all hope of peace or harmony.

The base of Anti-Semitism is rooted in paranoia ("Jews control the world" theories) and religious fundamentalism ("Jews being infidels, unbelievers, Christ-killers" theories). I don't think Americans will drive out Jews, or vice versa. American Jews are just as integral a part of American culture as Irish -Americans, African-Americans, etc.

[Edenbeast]

I'll be more polite when you stop cutting and pasting material from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. That kind of **** is standard Neo-Nazi rhetoric.

"Could this sort of actions by the Jews be the reason they have been run out of every country on earth, except the United States, and there is not much doubt that one day America will realize just how much the Jews despise and loth them; and they too will rise up and drive them out."

If you can't see how that makes you look like an anti-semite for posting it under your name, then I can only assume you agree with it.

And if someone posted a crime like murder or rape as reported on the CNN website, does that mean that he/she apporves of everything thats been mentioned in that report?!!
Again if its bothering you contact the author and not me.
One more thing what has got to do with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the paragraph you are having issues with?!!

[EXCELSIOR]

Enough with the name calling and the threats...
There is NO need for it here...

You are ALL warned - COOL IT!

[Mr Sparkle]

Let me express my main points:
-I support Israel in this conflict, but I don't believe people who support Lebanon are anti-Semitic. I agree with the opinion that the support for Lebanon (at least by first world countries) is not fueled by anti-semitism, but by a desire to see the violence end. The only reason most of the public's hatred is directed towards Israel is because Israel is causing more damage. If Hezbollah had been bombing Israel nonstop and the Israelis were doing nothing about it, I believe public opinion would have been in Israel's favour.

I'm in a third world country, am I an anti-semite?
your point is vague and Ill-constructed. it's not that Israel is causing more damage, it's that it's causing CIVILLIAN death. I keep hearing about how it's "defending" itself. might I inquire asto defending from what? the place where the Israeli soldiers where captured is still debatable, as Israel routinely crosses over into south lebanon and Hezbolah raid the Israel side with as much frequency.
see, this whole thing started because 2 soldiers got kidnapped. simple as that. almost a thousand lebanese civillians died because of it.

But Israel gave Lebanon a massive smack-down, so there are naturally more distressing casualties for the Lebanese side.

excuse me if i'm not so thrilled by wrestling terms being used for genocide, but that's how I roll.

HOWEVER, I believe Israel is defending itself in this case. There's a proverb I've heard: "If the Arab nations lay down their weapons, there will be peace. If Israel lay down its weapons, it would be destroyed." While it is a generality, I tend to agree.


what you have " heard" is fine, but what do you know? did you look at each of the incidents eden beast posted? they are for broad strokes true.
does that "justify" the arab nations as "defending themselves"? NO
but it does make Israel's claim of "just wanting to exist" a tenous one does it not? if it defines other countries by the actions of their extremists why shouldn't it be subjected to the same scrutiny?

While its methods are hard-hitting, Israel's attacks are rarely unprovoked. If the Arab nations surrounding it weren't always peppering Israel with bombs and terrorism, would Israel be attacking them? I honestly don't think so.

this is again opinion, mostly based on lack of historical context and general knowledge, sorry if it sounds agressive but you lack a lot of facts in this conflict and yet you talk about attacks and what Israel would do.

again, 2 soldiers kidnapped, 1,000 civillians dead in lebanon, all because Israel wanted to look tough. excuse but last time I checked, the people where saying terrorists willingly attack civillians to damage their intended targets, isn't Israel doing exactly that? hasn't it done that before.

the thing that get's me is that most of the people here doing the Israel apologetics keep saying that they "feel" that Israel is right.
it's not about "feelings" it's about facts. to me arab lives are as precious as Isreali lives. sorry .
and Israeli attrocities are as damnable as arab attrocities regardless who they are allied with.

Israel is a nation that is surrounded by nations that have been in an official state of war with Israel for at least twenty years. THIS INCLUDES LEBANON - people trying to remind us of Lebanon's supposed "innocence" in this conflict should remember that their country has been, for DECADES, officially at war with Israel.

why has this been anyway? lebanese are evil and want to "destroy" Israel? puh-leeeeese :rolleyes:
lebanon's "innocence" in quotes?
didn't the Israelis say that this had nothing to do with Lebanon? and eveything to do with Hezbolah? again, why did this conflict start?
did Israel never Kidnap Lebanese civillians or hold "hostages" (prisonners without trials for extended periods of time) itself?

Israel is surrounded by countries whose highest goal is to wipe them off the map - to them, it's fight back until the problem is resolved or be pushed into the sea. In the sixty years Israel's been a nation, have they ever been completely at peace? They can't afford to just sit back and take it.

again, take what? quote me the reason this attack started, 2 israeli SOLDIERS where being held in exchange for prisonners, moslty women who where being held without trials and the majority take in refugee camp raids.

take what? didn't they in response salughter CIVILLIANS???? what the hell?

Plus, what made up my mind about the conflict was what Hezbollah did when Israel gave them a temporary cease-fire. Israel throws them a bone, and what do they do? Shower Israel with missiles. Real classy move, Hezbollah.

when was this? please provide me with a website for this

The Arab nations have always used the same tactic to attack Israel.
1. They provoke Israel with an unwarranted attack.
2. Israel fights back, and as usual, kicks major ass.
3. After getting their asses handed to them, the Arabs run crying and screaming to the UN, begging for a ceasefire to a war THEY started.
4. UN tells Israel to stop - and when Israel begins measures to do so, the Arabs go, "Yay! We won!"
Repeat cycle as necessary. Every peace measure Israel's attempted has been considered a sign of weakness to the Arab nations. Realistically, what is Israel supposed to do?

this is infuriating in that it's all your opinion, no historical fact whatsoever
"kicks major ass"? what is this to you a ****ing bruce wilis film? your contempt for life is exhausting really. "their asses handed to them"? ha, under that mentality i'd like to see Israel fight countries that had the same military power as they do. but that will NEVER happen

do you like, not read any history books at all, this whole opinion seems to be produced form cursory internet reading and whole lot of bias :rolleyes: times a billion

[maxwell's demon]

I hate seeing all the destruction and death on both sides, but I felt Isreal was mostly in the right to invade. I also think the cease-fire will solve nothing.

To be honest, I don't think there is a solution. Not a military one anyway.

oh ok. well i agree with you for the most part. except the israel part.

[Sandman138]

And if someone posted a crime like murder or rape as reported on the CNN website, does that mean that he/she apporves of everything thats been mentioned in that report?!!
Again if its bothering you contact the author and not me.
One more thing what has got to do with The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and the paragraph you are having issues with?!!

Well, let's see, rense.com also posts these "fine" articles: "Israelis Caught Red Handed Planning 'Arab' Terrorism", "'Self Defense' Blinds Us - Israel Involved In 911?", "War Crimes" which opens with this fun little number "The sardonically-named Operation Iraqi Freedom is just a continuation of the Bush/Clinton years of Zionist sadism against the Semitic people - the only people entitled to live in the Middle East (plus the Persians). Zionists are not Semitic. Arabs are Semitic. Zionists are anti-Semitic. They are also the biggest liars on the face of this earth.".

Point being, every article on this site that mentions Jews talks about their conspiracy to take over the world and kill inoccent people. So why did you choose them as a source? They hardly even cite anyone outside of themselves: for example, in the lovely story of "Self Defense' Blinds Us - Israel Involved In 911?" the following evidence is used: "The "Voice of the White House" Friday produced a transcript of a telephone conversation between the Israeli Embassy and AIPAC, the Israel lobby. The speakers discuss fabricating terror attacks and scares in order to influence the November elections:

"B. Well then, why not have these attacks aimed at American aircraft? Where would they attack from?

A. Say at the perimeter fence lines at airports. Or better still, why not a plan cooked up to smuggle explosives on board transatlantic flights to or from America? Something clever that will catch the public imagination.

B. That stupid bomb in the shoe routine?

A. Don't knock it. It worked, didn't it? We can always find some suckers with a bent to this we can fill up with real enthusiasm and then turn them in, complete with plans. They actually believe they are going to paradise and **** virgins and we have another propaganda coup. Let's give this some effort. You know, a terrified public will not want to change horses in midstream. So far, the Rove people have a good line: If you're against the Republicans, you're encouraging the evil terrorists shtick."

Their source? Why it's their article ""Israelis Caught Red Handed Planning 'Arab' Terrorism" which states right at the beginning in bold print "HOAX? - This story is running all over the net. We are posting it as a point of information. We have not been able to obtain confirmation as to the legitimacy and pedigree of the content and are now labeling the story a HOAX? until and unless we are given solid data citing original source. -ed"

Yet that was good enough proof for "Self Defense' Blinds Us - Israel Involved In 911?" as the author states "I know this transcript sounds comical and contrived and is too good to be true. Some people think it is a forgery and they might be right. I believe it is a smoking gun. Israelis can be very arrogant and careless. (See Victor Ostrovsky's book, "The Other Side of Deception") Make up your own mind."

This is not a legitimate site. Every article displays an obvious anti-semetic slant, they don't actually check their sources on a good deal of what they put up, and it's all based on the "Jewish world domination conspiracy", which was best exemplified by The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was also full of crap. They are not CNN, they are not responsible journalists. They are not a decent citation and using them as such reflect poorly upon you.

[AnimeJune]

Mr. Sparkle - do you live in Lebanon? Do you have family members in Lebanon that you are worried about?

If no, I'd appreciate it if you'd take a more civil tone when replying to my post. We are having a discussion, and I find it hard to take you seriously when you are being this aggressive, rude, and offensive.

I also don't understand your anger at my use of jargon. That's just my style of writing, it has nothing to do with my argument, and really has no basis in our discussion. If you insist on making it so, then I'll point out that I don't swear in my posts, or go out of my way to insult my opponents. I have been respectful so far, despite our differences in opinions, and I expected you to do the same.

First Point: The people in Arab nations surrounding Israel are probably for Lebanon for Anti-semitic reasons, is what I mean ("death to all Jews" and all that), rather than Canadian, American, or UK citizens (like you, I assume) who are for Lebanon due to their losses in the conflict.

Second Point: I take issue with you regarding Israel's attack on Lebanon as genocide. They are taking civilian life - I accept that fact, and I view it as wrong. But calling it genocide is a gross exaggeration. Israel is not making a determined effort to eradicate all Lebanese (although - that's what Hezbollah and Hamas are trying to do to all Jews).

Third Point: Have I read Edenbeasts post? I'm relatively new to this thread, so do you mean the one that listed all the places that Jews have been kicked out of? Oh - you mean the one where they listed incidents in the Middle Ages, back when people believed Jews made their unleavened bread with the blood of Christian babies? Yeah, that really relates to the situation now. If it's another post from earlier on that I haven't read yet, kindly direct me to it and I'll take a closer look.

The "extremists" you mention are part of the Lebanese government. Israel is trying to eradicate Hezbollah, because it sees it as a threat to itself. If it's methods are harsh, fine, but its intentions are to protect itself. Israel's not trying to conquer Lebanon. Israel's not after Lebanon's natural resources. Israel's not trying to eliminate all Muslims. Israel is trying to eliminate a group that it sees as a very real threat to itself.

There's no "right" way to go about fighting a war. I agree - I want the violence to stop. I want to conflict to be over so that displaced Israelis and displaced Lebanese can go back to their homes and start over. What I want most of all is for Iran and Syria and Egypt and, yes (but to a lesser extent, I'll admit) Lebanon to try and make a lasting peace with Israel. Israel does have a superior military - EVERY time the Arabs have attacked, they have LOST. But just because one has a superior military, does that mean that are not entitled to fight back if provoked?

Links to Hezbollah's rocket attacks:
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=e95d4478-aedc-46c5-99bc-ebbca8993c5f
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/news/story.html?id=c8ae3406-b2a3-4038-b4db-54a43d0d17cd&k=34826
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=40106dd8-9b72-42cc-9eff-f69c382a18fa

It's not like Israel hasn't had any casualties. It's just that Lebanon has more.

-Now this is an interesting point, and while it isn't directly related to Mr. Sparkle's posts, I thought I'd mention it. My mum and I were watching CNN the other day, and throughout the reports about the conflict in the Middle East, whenever they mentioned deaths of Lebanese women and children, they also said "deaths of Lebanese civilians". But whenever they reported deaths of Israeli women and children, they only said "deaths of Israelis". Not Israeli CIVILIANS. It wasn't just one time, we saw it often enough to be noticed.

Why is that? Sounds like the media might have a bias, too. But then, that's hardly news, now is it?

Now, it's difficult to justify any side in war, because both sides are doing horrible, awful things. Both sides are killing men, women, and children. I don't have contempt for human life, Mr. Sparkle, I just look to see the intentions behind the acts. Hezbollah is attacking Israel because they want to kill all Jews. Israel is attacking Lebanon to get at Hezbollah, which wants to kill all Jews, in order to protect itself.

I'd be glad to discuss and learn more with Mr. Sparkle, as long as you're willing to keep a civil tone. We are all just young people at our computers, all with our own ignorances and prejudices and ideas. Persuade me, Mr. Sparkle, don't berate me. That's not what discussion boards are for.

[Mr Sparkle]

Mr. Sparkle - do you live in Lebanon? Do you have family members in Lebanon that you are worried about?

If no, I'd appreciate it if you'd take a more civil tone when replying to my post. We are having a discussion, and I find it hard to take you seriously when you are being this aggressive, rude, and offensive.

I also don't understand your anger at my use of jargon. That's just my style of writing, it has nothing to do with my argument, and really has no basis in our discussion. If you insist on making it so, then I'll point out that I don't swear in my posts, or go out of my way to insult my opponents. I have been respectful so far, despite our differences in opinions, and I expected you to do the same.

are you kidding me? now the only way I can be outraged at someone's lack of empathy for their fellow humans is if I have family members getting killed?
you talk a big game, and expect ME to conform to your expectations, but when you do something offensive to any thinking person you call it "jargon" or "style of writting" no, sorry, it has be an equal thing, don't go talking about respect and taking people seriously when in your post you talk about Israel "kicking major ass" and the death of innocent civillians is some country "getting their asses handed to them", that Is FAR FROM RESPECTFUL, don't kid yourself.

First Point: The people in Arab nations surrounding Israel are probably for Lebanon for Anti-semitic reasons, is what I mean ("death to all Jews" and all that), rather than Canadian, American, or UK citizens (like you, I assume) who are for Lebanon due to their losses in the conflict.

hmmm, really, well, you are probably wrong! wait, you mean that's not enough? okay, then perhaps what's "probably" happeing is inmaterial right? perhaps we should worry about what's actually happening. the Arab nations surrounding Israel have amongst them anti-semites, no doubt about that. however to oversimplify this as their "reasons" for conflict with Israel is unrealistic.
besides , I said "third world" I live in Mexico and I'm against the wholesale slaughter of people regardless of who's doing it.

Second Point: I take issue with you regarding Israel's attack on Lebanon as genocide. They are taking civilian life - I accept that fact, and I view it as wrong. But calling it genocide is a gross exaggeration. Israel is not making a determined effort to eradicate all Lebanese (although - that's what Hezbollah and Hamas are trying to do to all Jews).

oh, I'm sorry, I meant Mass Murder, better?
second what you're saying about Hezbolah's objectives is wrong.

Third Point: Have I read Edenbeasts post? I'm relatively new to this thread, so do you mean the one that listed all the places that Jews have been kicked out of? Oh - you mean the one where they listed incidents in the Middle Ages, back when people believed Jews made their unleavened bread with the blood of Christian babies? Yeah, that really relates to the situation now. If it's another post from earlier on that I haven't read yet, kindly direct me to it and I'll take a closer look.

no, actually I mean the one where he cites incidents from as near as 1946 onward which is the conpanion post to the one about "all the places that Jews have been kicked out of" since you already read this one, seems "directing" you to it has no use.

The "extremists" you mention are part of the Lebanese government. Israel is trying to eradicate Hezbollah, because it sees it as a threat to itself. If it's methods are harsh, fine, but its intentions are to protect itself. Israel's not trying to conquer Lebanon. Israel's not after Lebanon's natural resources. Israel's not trying to eliminate all Muslims. Israel is trying to eliminate a group that it sees as a very real threat to itself.

"in recent interviews Nasrallah has answered questions concerning the establishment of a Palestinian state established alongside an Israeli state in a way which suggested that the organization no longer has the intent to destroy the state of Israel. . Hezbollah’s present leadership disclaims any interest in contesting Israel’s right to exist outside of disputed territories.[5] In a 2003 interview, Nasrallah stated that "at the end of the road no one can go to war on behalf of the Palestinians, even if that one is not in agreement with what the Palestinians agreed on."[58] "Of course, it would bother us that Jerusalem goes to Israel... [but] let it happen. I would not say O.K. I would say nothing."[58] Similarly, in 2004, when asked whether he was prepared to live with a two-state settlement between Israel and Palestine, Nasrallah said he would not sabotage what is a Palestinian matter.[5] He also clarified that outside of Lebanon, Hezbollah will act only in a defensive manner towards Israeli forces, and that Hezbollah's missiles were acquired to deter attacks on Lebanon.[59]"


There's no "right" way to go about fighting a war. I agree - I want the violence to stop. I want to conflict to be over so that displaced Israelis and displaced Lebanese can go back to their homes and start over. What I want most of all is for Iran and Syria and Egypt and, yes (but to a lesser extent, I'll admit) Lebanon to try and make a lasting peace with Israel. Israel does have a superior military - EVERY time the Arabs have attacked, they have LOST. But just because one has a superior military, does that mean that are not entitled to fight back if provoked?

what if THEY are the ones provoking? should the nations that obviously can't sompete with Israel militarily simply fold their hands and accept anything that Israel does?
surely, no right way to go about a war, but there is a very "wrong" way
and killing scores of civillians to get to a target is damnable, in fact it's the exact contempt for life that is so readily ascribed to "terrorists" isn't it?


Links to Hezbollah's rocket attacks:
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/story.html?id=e95d4478-aedc-46c5-99bc-ebbca8993c5f
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/news/story.html?id=c8ae3406-b2a3-4038-b4db-54a43d0d17cd&k=34826
http://www.canada.com/topics/news/story.html?id=40106dd8-9b72-42cc-9eff-f69c382a18fa

It's not like Israel hasn't had any casualties. It's just that Lebanon has more.

what does this prove? that Hezbolah attacked Israel doesn't everybody know this already????



-Now this is an interesting point, and while it isn't directly related to Mr. Sparkle's posts, I thought I'd mention it. My mum and I were watching CNN the other day, and throughout the reports about the conflict in the Middle East, whenever they mentioned deaths of Lebanese women and children, they also said "deaths of Lebanese civilians". But whenever they reported deaths of Israeli women and children, they only said "deaths of Israelis". Not Israeli CIVILIANS. It wasn't just one time, we saw it often enough to be noticed.

Why is that? Sounds like the media might have a bias, too. But then, that's hardly news, now is it?

:rolleyes: yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that Israel's casualties where mostly soldiers

Now, it's difficult to justify any side in war, because both sides are doing horrible, awful things. Both sides are killing men, women, and children. I don't have contempt for human life, Mr. Sparkle, I just look to see the intentions behind the acts. Hezbollah is attacking Israel because they want to kill all Jews. Israel is attacking Lebanon to get at Hezbollah, which wants to kill all Jews, in order to protect itself.

again, why did the conflict start, wasn't it over 2 soldiers that Hezbolah was holding ALIVE in exchange for prisonners?
or did Hezbolah demand all jews commit suicide because perhaps I missed that report.

I'd be glad to discuss and learn more with Mr. Sparkle, as long as you're willing to keep a civil tone. We are all just young people at our computers, all with our own ignorances and prejudices and ideas. Persuade me, Mr. Sparkle, don't berate me. That's not what discussion boards are for.

you mean I should go out of my way to acomodate you while you talk of the "ass kicking" innocent women and children received?
no, sorry, it pisses me off especially when I imagine children losing their mothers and fathers and entire dead families rotting inside crumbled buildings and think that someone somewhere writes that off as a "smackdown"

[Cho Chang]

Well, it looks like the ceasefire is over. Guess who ended it. C'mon, guess.

[TrailerCues]

It looks like that cease fire did not last long

http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/israeli-raid-puts-mideast-cease-fire-in/20060728045409990004?cid=2194

I guess these guys want to start World War 3

[Sandman138]

Well, Israel just ****ed up. Somehow it didn't cross anybodies mind that under the current situation, it would be far wiser to go public with whatever intelligence they had that Hezbollah was still obtaining weapons? Because then the heat would have been on Hezbollah/Lebanon for violating the terms of the truce. No, they had to perform a ****ing raid in the middle of a non-offensive agreement. The responses on both sides show that nobody is willing to compromise, but Israel just made the situation worse. The UN seems to be doing a bang up job too.

[Super_Ludacris]

You know what's funny? Everytime someone has defended Isarel in this thread, the very next day the Isarelis go out and do something really ****ed up that makes them even more harder to defend. LOL

Like in the first week, people sided with Isarel...........They bomb a UN building and kill UN inspectors knowing they were in there

Gamma Ray comes in and defends them saying there killing the terrorists.........the very next day they bomb a civillan area killing 37 children

Gamma defends them a couple of days later.......they bomb a hospital

Karwousika (sp? oh who gives a phuck lol) and some others defend Isarels actions saying the are provoked................Isarel is the first to break the ceasefire, pretty much brokering there own peace deal


Now I'm taking sides or holding an agenda or anything.......but y'all jinxing there positive light like a mah'phukka lol

By my estimation a couple of more weeks of Isarel defending on this boards and they'll f' around and bomb Florida....Oye Vey! lol

[Mr Sparkle]

War, children, it's just a shot away.

I just realized Jlbats quoted a Sisters of Mercy song.

WTF?????

[Alpha and Omega]

You know what's funny? Everytime someone has defended Isarel in this thread, the very next day the Isarelis go out and do something really ****ed up that makes them even more harder to defend. LOL

Like in the first week, people sided with Isarel...........They bomb a UN building and kill UN inspectors knowing they were in there

Gamma Ray comes in and defends them saying there killing the terrorists.........the very next day they bomb a civillan area killing 37 children

Gamma defends them a couple of days later.......they bomb a hospital

Karwousika (sp? oh who gives a phuck lol) and some others defend Isarels actions saying the are provoked................Isarel is the first to break the ceasefire, pretty much brokering there own peace deal


Now I'm taking sides or holding an agenda or anything.......but y'all jinxing there positive light like a mah'phukka lol

By my estimation a couple of more weeks of Isarel defending on this boards and they'll f' around and bomb Florida....Oye Vey! lol
This post is funny, but that humor is lessened by the disturbing point that most of it is true.

[Super_Ludacris]

For real even Jewish Lawyers cant defend these mother****ers. The Goldstein practice would an easier time defending Al-Quadea lol

[Superman4ever]

I said it'd be a couple of days before it was broken...

http://www.comcast.net/news/index.jsp?cat=GENERAL&fn=/2006/08/19/459139.html

http://www.comcast.net/data/br/2006/08/19/br-18507.jpg

Israeli soldiers prepare their weapons before entering southern Lebanon, in northern Israel Saturday, Aug. 19, 2006. Israel on Saturday warned that a raid against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon, its first since a cease-fire went into effect, may not be its last. (AP Photo/Baz Ratner)

Annan: Israeli Raid Violates Cease-Fire
By SAM F. GHATTAS, Associated Press Writer

2 hours ago

BEIRUT, Lebanon - Israeli commandos raided a Hezbollah stronghold deep in Lebanon on Saturday, engaging in a fierce gunbattle, and the Lebanese government threatened to halt further troop deployments to protest what U.N. officials called a violation of the 6-day-old cease-fire.

Israel said the raid was launched to stop arms smuggling from Iran and Syria to the militant *****e fighters. An Israeli officer was killed during the raid, and two soldiers were wounded, one seriously.

There were no signs of further clashes, but the flare-up underlined worries about the fragility of the cease-fire as the U.N. pleaded for nations to send troops to an international force in southern Lebanon that is to separate Israeli and Hezbollah fighters.

The office of Secretary-General Kofi Annan issued a statement later Saturday labeling the operation a violation of the U.N. truce.

A contingent of 49 French soldiers landed in the south Saturday, providing the first reinforcements for the 2,000-strong U.N. peacekeeping mission known as UNIFIL that has been stationed in the region for years. About 200 more were expected next week.

They were the first additions to what is intended to grow into a 15,000-soldier U.N. force to police the truce with an equal number of Lebanese soldiers. France leads UNIFIL and already had 200 soldiers in Lebanon before the reinforcements.

But with Europe moving slowly to provide more troops, Israel warned it would continue to act on its own to enforce an arms embargo on the Lebanese guerrilla group until the Lebanese army and an expanded U.N. peacekeeping force are in place.

"If the Syrians and Iran continue to arm Hezbollah in violation of the resolution, Israel is entitled to act to defend the principle of the arms embargo," Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said. "Once the Lebanese army and the international forces are active ... then such Israeli activity will become superfluous."

Defense Minister Elias Murr met with U.N. envoy Terje Roed-Larsen and threatened to halt the movement of Lebanese troops into the former war zone in the south if the United Nations did not intervene against Israel. That could deeply damage efforts to deploy a strong U.N. peacekeeping force.

"We have put the matter forward in a serious manner and the U.N. delegation was understanding of the seriousness of the situation," Murr told reporters. "We are awaiting an answer."

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert defended the raid during a phone conversation with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan, saying it was "intended to prevent the re-supply of new weapons and ammunition for Hezbollah," officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to speak publicly on the issue.

The Israeli leader pointed to the importance of the supervision of the Syrian-Lebanese border as well, they said.

The Israeli military also said the raid was launched "to prevent and interfere with terror activity against Israel, especially the smuggling of arms from Iran and Syria to Hezbollah."

The Foreign Ministry spokesman rejected the characterization of the raid as a truce violation, saying the Lebanese army and U.N. peacekeepers must take control of Lebanon's border with Syria to ensure arms don't reach Hezbollah.

"But in the interim, of course, we can't have a situation where endless amounts of weaponry arrive for Hezbollah, so we are forced to act in response to this violation," he said, warning that further incursions could occur.

A statement issued by Annan's spokesman later Saturday said that the U.N. chief spoke with both Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora and Olmert about the fighting. "The secretary-general is deeply concerned about a violation by the Israeli side of the cessation of hostilities," it said.

"All such violations of Security Council Resolution 1701 endanger the fragile calm that was reached after much negotiation," said the statement, issued by spokesman Stephane Dujarric.

The White House declined to criticize the raid, noting that Israel said it acted in reaction to arms smuggling into Lebanon and that the U.N. resolution calls for the prevention of resupplying Hezbollah with weapons.

"The incident underscores the importance of quickly deploying the enhanced UNIFIL," White House spokeswoman Jeanie Mamo said.

Roed-Larsen said earlier the Lebanese army has deployed more than 1,500 soldiers in three sectors of the south where Israeli forces have left, and the 2,000 peacekeepers of UNIFIL have set up checkpoints and started patrolling the areas.

The broad outlines of the U.N. cease-fire plan call on Hezbollah to halt all attacks and for Israel to stop offensive operations. It gives Israel the right to respond if attacked, but the commandos were flown in by helicopter and the raid took place far from Israeli troops in southern Lebanon.

Israel did not identify the officer killed in the raid. Hezbollah issued a terse statement saying guerrillas "ambushed" the commando force and suffered no casualties. Lebanese security officials said three guerrillas were killed and three wounded.

The security officials said the commandos flew in by helicopter to a hill outside the village of Boudai west of Baalbek in eastern Lebanon, about 17 miles from the Syrian border. Witnesses said Israeli missiles destroyed a bridge during the fighting.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the media, said the Israelis apparently were seeking a guerrilla target in a nearby school but they had no other details.

Lebanese media speculated that Sheik Mohammed Yazbeck, a senior Hezbollah official in the Bekaa Valley and a member of the group's executive council, may have been the target. Yazbeck is a native of Boudai.

The Israeli army denied it had captured any Hezbollah fighter, and said it had not been the raid's objective.

Overflights by Israeli jet fighters drowned out the clatter of helicopters that flew the commandos into the foothills of the central Lebanese mountains, local Hezbollah officials said.

Using two vehicles also delivered by helicopter, the commandos drove into Boudai and were intercepted by Hezbollah fighters in a field, the officials said. They said the Israelis identified themselves as Lebanese soldiers, but the guerrillas grew suspicious and gunfire erupted.

Israeli helicopters fired missiles as the commandos withdrew and flew them out of the area an hour later, the Hezbollah officials said.

Witnesses reported seeing bandages and syringes at the landing site outside Boudai. The bridge that witnesses said was destroyed was about 500 yards from the landing site.

The area in the eastern Bekaa Valley, 60 miles north of the Israeli border, is a major guerrilla stronghold. Baalbek is the birthplace of Hezbollah, a militant Islamic movement that is supported by Iran and Syria.

Hezbollah, meanwhile, buried 55 fighters Friday and Saturday in Haris, Majdel Silim, Bint Jbail, Deir Qanoun and south Beirut, security officials said. Israel claims it killed hundreds of guerrillas during the war. Hezbollah reported 68 deaths.

U.N. Deputy Secretary-General Mark Malloch Brown said more countries needed to join the peacekeeping force. The U.N. wants to have 3,500 soldiers on the ground by Aug. 28 to help police the truce that took effect Monday and ended 34 days of brutal warfare.

Bangladesh, Indonesia, Italy, France and Finland have promised troops. In an effort to encourage more countries to sign on, Annan said the peacekeeping force would not "wage war" on Israel, Lebanon or Hezbollah militants, addressing a key concern of many countries.

The U.N. and Lebanon's government have said Hezbollah will not be allowed to bring weapons out in public, but have declined to commit to trying to disarm the guerrillas, as called for in a September 2004 U.N. resolution.

[JLBats]

Wtf?!

[Alpha and Omega]

Judging from the new 'Surprise, Surprise' thread dealing w/ yet another violation of cease fire, these hyperboles aren't so farfetched.

IOW: Israeli's just don't give a ****.:)

[Superman4ever]

Wtf?!

Wow...a response besides, "meh" or some of that other stuff you normally say.

*Twilight Zone Theme*

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/scared/scared0006.gif

[Super_Ludacris]

Jew-Tang Clan strikes again! smh...

[JLBats]

Wow...a response besides, "meh" or some of that other stuff you normally say.

*Twilight Zone Theme*

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:huh:

Have you taken me for someone else, or do I really give off such an air of apathy?:(

Anyway, this news should be enough to shock anyone a bit.

[Alpha and Omega]

Does any country actually respect the UN's leadership?

Seriously, if the big 5 don't back UN action, their stance usually means nothing.

Kofi Annan is a puppet joke (any UN leader would be, because the UN has no legitimate authority w/out the backing of one of the aforemention world powers), and this fiasco was inevitable.

Israel and the opposing forces H(i or e?)zbollah forces will continue to do as they please until their own personal goals are satisfied. When Ariel Sharon went down, this was all but assured.

[Darth Elektra]

I figured Hezbollah would break the Cease-Fire first not Israel!

Israel needs to start answering some questions!

[Darthphere]

Dumbest thing ever. Really im pretty Pro-Israel but now theyre really going overboard.

[Carter]

Lolios.

[Mr.Webs]

I was pretty sure it was going to happen...but so fast?? And by Israel, no less. They are only adding fuel to the ever growing fire of bad media.

[DOG LIPS]

I blame the Reptillians. :cmad:

[Superman4ever]

:huh:

Have you taken me for someone else, or do I really give off such an air of apathy?:(



Friend it was a joke...and, BTW, you've had your share of "Mehs." :) Doesn't mean your apathetic...just, internet thrifty? :confused:


Anyway, this news should be enough to shock anyone a bit.

However, unfortunately, it shouldn't be that surprising...

[enterthemadness]

Why can't they just...I dunno, hug or play poker? Noooo, they have to go to war.

[Darthphere]

I blame the Reptillians. :cmad:


I predicted this post.

[Superman4ever]

I predicted this post.

It's pretty much a given nowadays...:(

[Phaser]

Why can't they just...I dunno, hug or play poker? Noooo, they have to go to war.

Because if you play poker against Israel and win, they'll invade and raid your ass to death too. :down::confused:

[DOG LIPS]

It's pretty much a given nowadays...:(
I just wanted to get it out of the way early. :csad:

[Carter]

All ****ing night, Hezbollah....CHEYCK CHYECK CHECK.

NYET!

[Alpha and Omega]

I blame the Reptillians. :cmad:

It's their mind control.:(
__________________________________________________ ____

Seriously though, George Carlin made a pretty good point one time.

He said: crimefighters fight crime. Firefighters fight fire. What do you think that freedom fighters fight?

Obviously that statement would put more blame on H(i or e?)zbollah, but in this case, Israel in the impetus for this.

Why is it that every time we hear talk of peace in this area, the violence only increases dramatically? Does anyone remember the Clinton speeches in that area during the late 90's, or the current governmental discourses held by the current admin? (they were promoting forthcoming peace.) I seriously wonder if some Israeli conservatives really want peace. We already know that militant Hezbollah members don't want it to happen, but both parties reckless dereliction for their own citizen core is pretty sad.

[Phaser]

For real even Jewish Lawyers cant defend these mother****ers.

"omg your anti-semantic racist lol :down:"

:rolleyes:

[Superman4ever]

I just wanted to get it out of the way early. :csad:

Then you have done well to serve but I fear your actions were in vain. :(

[Jolie_Desastre]

Lolios.

i love your avvy :o:(

btw no one has commented on my evacuation pics ( i have a ton more but since no one is commenting on them what's the point of posting the rest?) :(

[JLBats]

i love your avvy :o:(

btw no one has commented on my evacuation pics ( i have a ton more but since no one is commenting on them what's the point of posting the rest?) :(

I was going to, but they were pretty far back in the thread.

I'm very glad you got out safely, Jolie.

[raybia]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel-violates-lebanon-ceasefire/2006/08/20/1156012396899.html


Surprise surprise.

Not the first time Israel has shown their true colors but now this is an instance where the entire world can see and there is no denying.

Lets see now the Israel supports come and defend this.

I'm sure they will and I'm hoping they will so they can expose themselves for what they are just as Israel has.

[raybia]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/israel-violates-lebanon-ceasefire/2006/08/20/1156012396899.html


Surprise surprise.

Not the first time Israel has shown their true colors but now this is an instance where the entire world can see and there is no denying.

Lets see now the Israel supports come and defend this.

I'm sure they will and I'm hoping they will so they can expose themselves for what they are just as Israel has.

[Superman4ever]

Is this really a suprise to many of you?

ALL (see below) violated and/or ignored!

From (a Jewish web-site for those who hate "bleeding-heart" media): http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html

Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.

General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948

"Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."



Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal.

Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967



Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force."



Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal.

Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979



"Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East."

Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.

General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974

Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and "to national independence and sovereignty."



Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.

Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six people.

Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in Jerusalem.

Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.

Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack on Syria.

Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control.

Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.

Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.

Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.

Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250.

Resolution 252: declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as Jewish capital.

Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.

Resolution 259: deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.

Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.

Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.

Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the status of Jerusalem.

Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern Lebanon.

Resolution 271: condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on Jerusalem.

Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 280: condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.

Resolution 298: deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem.

Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.

Resolution 317: deplores Israel's refusal to release.

Resolution 332: condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.

Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.

Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.

Resolution 444: deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces.

Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention

Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.

Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.

Resolution 465: deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member states not to assist its settlements program.

Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.

Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.

Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the council's order not to deport Palestinians.

Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null and void.

Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.

Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two deported Palestinian mayors.

Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.

Resolution 497: decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights

is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision forthwith.

Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.

Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.

Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and unconditionally from Lebanon.

Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow food supplies to be brought in.

Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.

Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.

Resolution 520: condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.

Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO headquarters.

Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.

Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.

Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices denying the human rights of Palestinians.

Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.

Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.

Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian civilians.

Resolution 641: deplores Israel's continuing deportation of Palestinians.

Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at the Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount.

Resolution 673: deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United Nations.

Resolution 681: deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of Palestinians.

Resolution 694: deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.

Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians.

Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.

[Jolie_Desastre]

I was going to, but they were pretty far back in the thread.

I'm very glad you got out safely, Jolie.

um they are on the last page :confused:

and thanks man :D

[JLBats]

um they are on the last page :confused:

and thanks man :D

Yeah, but they're way up the page:(

I'm a lazy, lazy man:(

[Alpha and Omega]

Lets see now the Israel supports come and defend this.

I'm sure they will and I'm hoping they will so they can expose themselves for what they are just as Israel has.

I'm interested to see what their supporters will say about this direct violation also.

[Superman4ever]

um they are on the last page :confused:

and thanks man :D

I commented...thanks for ignoring me! :mad:


*Rushes over to that other thread*

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[Jolie_Desastre]

damn,man. you'll see the rest later i guess :confused:

[Jolie_Desastre]

I commented...thanks for ignoring me! :mad:


*Rushes over to that other thread*

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:rolleyes: good ole superman4ever ;)

[Superman4ever]

*rushes in*

Nhhuu...nnniiiii...nnnnuuuhhh..

nniiic...nn--nnice phhuu---pics Jo!

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[Superman4ever]

:rolleyes: good ole superman4ever ;)

:marv:

It's TRUE...check it out!

[X-Ray]

It was bound to happen (someone breaking the cease-fire) ... but who would've thought it'd be done by Israel.

It's gonna be interesting to see where the US stands on this. Will they codemn Israel or will they pat them on the back ? (I'm leaning more towards the 2nd option)

[Jolie_Desastre]

haha

[Superman4ever]

haha

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sad/sad0025.gif

I told you!

[raybia]

It was bound to happen (someone breaking the cease-fire) ... but who would've thought it'd be done by Israel.

It's gonna be interesting to see where the US stands on this. Will they codemn Israel or will they pat them on the back ? (I'm leaning more towards the 2nd option)


Yeah, who would have thunk it? :rolleyes:

[Superman4ever]

Yeah, who would have thunk it? :rolleyes:

Oh, banish the thought...*whoops out hand fan--begins to fan self before fainting from heat exhaustion from the shock of such a ludicrous thought*

[bored]

*sigh* It never ends.

[Superman4ever]

*sigh* It never ends.

It really never does. And not until BOTH sides recognize that each is stuck with the other will it ever resolve. These people need to be able and willing to sit down until they are blue in the gills and just say enough with the blood shed and violence.

It'll take time...

[Assassin]

i told you mel gibson was right!!!

[Edenbeast]

Well, let's see, rense.com also posts these "fine" articles: "Israelis Caught Red Handed Planning 'Arab' Terrorism", "'Self Defense' Blinds Us - Israel Involved In 911?", "War Crimes" which opens with this fun little number "The sardonically-named Operation Iraqi Freedom is just a continuation of the Bush/Clinton years of Zionist sadism against the Semitic people - the only people entitled to live in the Middle East (plus the Persians). Zionists are not Semitic. Arabs are Semitic. Zionists are anti-Semitic. They are also the biggest liars on the face of this earth.".

Point being, every article on this site that mentions Jews talks about their conspiracy to take over the world and kill inoccent people. So why did you choose them as a source? They hardly even cite anyone outside of themselves: for example, in the lovely story of "Self Defense' Blinds Us - Israel Involved In 911?" the following evidence is used: "The "Voice of the White House" Friday produced a transcript of a telephone conversation between the Israeli Embassy and AIPAC, the Israel lobby. The speakers discuss fabricating terror attacks and scares in order to influence the November elections:

"B. Well then, why not have these attacks aimed at American aircraft? Where would they attack from?

A. Say at the perimeter fence lines at airports. Or better still, why not a plan cooked up to smuggle explosives on board transatlantic flights to or from America? Something clever that will catch the public imagination.

B. That stupid bomb in the shoe routine?

A. Don't knock it. It worked, didn't it? We can always find some suckers with a bent to this we can fill up with real enthusiasm and then turn them in, complete with plans. They actually believe they are going to paradise and **** virgins and we have another propaganda coup. Let's give this some effort. You know, a terrified public will not want to change horses in midstream. So far, the Rove people have a good line: If you're against the Republicans, you're encouraging the evil terrorists shtick."

Their source? Why it's their article ""Israelis Caught Red Handed Planning 'Arab' Terrorism" which states right at the beginning in bold print "HOAX? - This story is running all over the net. We are posting it as a point of information. We have not been able to obtain confirmation as to the legitimacy and pedigree of the content and are now labeling the story a HOAX? until and unless we are given solid data citing original source. -ed"

Yet that was good enough proof for "Self Defense' Blinds Us - Israel Involved In 911?" as the author states "I know this transcript sounds comical and contrived and is too good to be true. Some people think it is a forgery and they might be right. I believe it is a smoking gun. Israelis can be very arrogant and careless. (See Victor Ostrovsky's book, "The Other Side of Deception") Make up your own mind."

This is not a legitimate site. Every article displays an obvious anti-semetic slant, they don't actually check their sources on a good deal of what they put up, and it's all based on the "Jewish world domination conspiracy", which was best exemplified by The Protocols of the Elders of Zion which was also full of crap. They are not CNN, they are not responsible journalists. They are not a decent citation and using them as such reflect poorly upon you.

Ok if you don't agree with any of whats been mentioned on that website then please explain to me the following (notice how Zionism is the main driving force in Israel's actions with its neibours)

Richard Gottheil, "The Aims of Zionism," 1 November 1898

Occasion: The peroration of a speech given in New York City, November 1, 1898. According to speech editor and compiler David J. Brewer, at the time the speech was given, Dr. Gottheil was a "Professor of Semitic Languages and Rabbinical Literature in Columbia University in the city of New York, . . . president of the American Federation of Zionists, and one of the organizers of [the] movement . . ." The American Federation was begun in 1897 and by the time Gottheil gave this speech the organization had already added one hundred chapters. The World's Best Orations (St. Louis: Ferd P. Kaiser, 1899), vol. 6, pp. 2294.





The Aims of Zionism


I KNOW that there are a great many of our people who look for a final solution of the Jewish question in what they call "assimilation." The more the Jews assimilate themselves to their surroundings, they think, the more completely will the causes for anti-Jewish feeling cease to exist. But have you ever for a moment stopped to consider what assimilation means? It has very pertinently been pointed out that the use of the word is borrowed from the dictionary of physiology. But in physiology it is not the food which assimilates itself into the body. It is the body which assimilates the food. The Jew may wish to be assimilated; he may do all he will towards this end. But if the great mass in which he lives does not wish to assimilate him - what then? If demands are made upon the Jew which practically mean extermination, which practically mean his total effacement from among the nations of the globe and from among the religious forces of the world, — what answer will you give? And the demands made are practically of that nature.
1




I can imagine it possible for a people who are possessed of an active and aggressive charity which it expresses, not only in words, but also in deeds, to contain and live at peace with men of the most varied habits. But, unfortunately, such people do not exist; nations are swayed by feelings which are dictated solely by their own self-interests; and the Zionists in meeting this state of things, are the most practical as well as the most ideal of the Jews.
2




It is quite useless to tell the English workingman that his Jewish fellow-laborer from Russia has actually increased the riches of the United Kingdom; that he has created quite a new industry, — that of making ladies' cloaks, for which formerly England sent £2,000,000 to the continent every year. He sees in him some one who is different to himself, and unfortunately successful, though different. And until that difference entirely ceases, whether of habit, of way, or of religious observance, he will look upon him and treat him as an enemy.
3




For the Jew has this especial disadvantage. There is no place where that which is distinctively Jewish in his manner or in his way of life is à la mode. We may well laugh at the Irishman's brogue; but in Ireland, he knows, his brogue is at home. We may poke fun at the Frenchman as he shrugs his shoulders and speaks with every member of his body. The Frenchman feels that in France it is the proper thing so to do. Even the Turk will wear his fez, and feel little the worse for the occasional jibes with which the street boy may greet it. But this consciousness, this ennobling consciousness, is all denied the Jew. What he does is nowhere à la mode; no, not even his features; and if he can disguise these by parting his hair in the middle or cutting his beard to a point, he feels he is on the road towards assimilation. He is even ready to use the term "Jewish" for what he considers uncouth and low.
4



For such as these amongst us, Zionism also has its message. It wishes to give back to the Jew that nobleness of spirit, that confidence in himself, that belief in his own powers which only perfect freedom can give. With a home of his own, he will no longer feel himself a pariah among the nations, he will nowhere hide his own peculiarities, — peculiarities to which he has a right as much as any one, — but will see that those peculiarities carry with them a message which will force for them the admiration of the world. He will feel that he belongs somewhere and not everywhere. He will try to be something and not everything. The great word which Zionism preaches is conciliation of conflicting aims, of conflicting lines of action; conciliation of Jew to Jew. It means conciliation of the non-Jewish world to the Jew as well. It wishes to heal old wounds; and by frankly confessing differences which do exist, however much we try to explain them away, to work out its own salvation upon its own ground, and from these to send forth its spiritual message to a conciliated world.
5

But, you will ask, if Zionism is able to find a permanent home in Palestine for those Jews who are forced to go there as well as those who wish to go, what is to become of us who have entered, to such a degree, into the life around us, and who feel able to continue as we have begun? What is to be our relation to the new Jewish polity? I can only answer: Exactly the same as is the relation of people of other nationalities all the world over to their parent home. What becomes of the Englishman in every corner of the globe? What becomes of the German? Does the fact that the great mass of their people live in their own land prevent them from doing their whole duty towards the land in which they happen to live? Is the German-American considered less of an American because he cultivates the German language and is interested in the fate of his fellow-Germans at home? Is the Irish-American less of an American because he gathers money to help his struggling brethren in the Green Isle? Or are the Scandinavian- Americans less worthy of the title Americans, because they consider precious the bonds which bind them to the land of their birth, as well as those which bind them to the land of their adoption?
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Nay! it would seem to me that just those who are so afraid that our action will be misinterpreted should be among the greatest helpers in the Zionist cause. For those who feel no racial and national communion with the life from which they have sprung should greet with joy the turning of Jewish immigration to some place other than the land in which they dwell. They must feel, for example, that a continual influx of Jews who are not Americans is a continual menace to the more or less complete absorption for which they are striving.
7

But I must not detain you much longer. Will you permit me to sum up for you the position which we Zionists take in the following statements: -
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We believe that the Jews are something more than a purely religious body; that they are not only a race, but also a nation; though a nation without as yet two important requisites — a common home and a common language.
9


We believe that if an end is to be made to Jewish misery and to the exceptional position which the Jews occupy, — which is the primary cause of Jewish misery, — the Jewish nation must be placed once again in a home of its own.
10

We believe that such a national regeneration is the fulfillment of the hope which has been present to the Jew throughout his long and painful history.
11

We believe that only by means of such a national regeneration can the religious regeneration of the Jews take place, and they be put in a position to do that work in the religious world which Providence has appointed for them.
12

We believe that such a home can only naturally, and without violence to their whole past, be found in the land of their fathers — in Palestine.
13


We believe that such a return must have the guarantee of the great powers of the world in order to secure for the Jews a stable future.
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And we hold that this does not mean that all Jews must return to Palestine.
15

This, ladies and gentlemen, is the Zionist program. Shall we be able to carry it through? I cannot believe that the Jewish people have been preserved throughout these centuries either for eternal misery or for total absorption at this stage of the world's history. I cannot think that our people have so far misunderstood their own purpose in life, as now to give the lie to their own past and to every hope which has animated their suffering body.
16

Bear with me but a few moments longer while I read the words which a Christian writer puts into the mouth of a Jew. "The effect of our separateness will not be completed and have its hightest transformation, unless our race takes on again the character of a nationality. That is the fulfillment of the religious trust that molded them into a people, whose life has made half the inspiration of the world. . . . Revive the organic centre; let the unity of Israel which has made the growth and form of its religion be an outward reality. Looking toward a land and a polity, our dispersed people in all the ends of the earth may share the dignity of a national life which has a voice among the peoples of the East and the West — which will plant the wisdom and skill of our race so that it may be, as of old, a medium of transmission and understanding. Let that come to pass, and the living warmth will spread to the weak extremities of Israel. Let the central fire be kindled again, and the light will reach afar. The degraded and scorned of the race will learn to think of their sacred land, not as a place for saintly beggary to await death in loathsome idleness, but as a republic, where the Jewish spirit manifests itself in a new order founded on the old, purified, enriched by the experiences which our greatest sons have gathered from the life of the ages. A new Judea, poised between East and West — a covenant of reconciliation. The sons of Judah have to choose, that God may again choose them. The Messianic time is the time when Israel shall will the planting of the national ensign. The divine principle of our race is action, choice, resolved memory. Let us help to will our own better future of the world — not renounce our higher gift and say: 'Let us be as if we were not among the populations,' but choose our full heritage, claim the brotherhood of our nation, and carry into it a new brotherhood with the nations of the Gentiles. The vision is there; it will be fulfilled."
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These are the words of the non-Jewish Zionist, George Eliot. We take hope, for has not that Jewish Zionist said: "We belong to a race that can do everything but fail."



source: http://douglassarchives.org/gott_a88.htm

[Edenbeast]

Memo addressed to President Truman urging a pro-Zionist policy for Palestine in order to open the country to unrestricted Jewish immigration and to create a Jewish state, May 28, 1945

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6347/isb091fu1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
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source: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/documents/index.php?pagenumber=1&documentdate=1945-06-16&documentid=63&collectionid=ROI

[Alpha and Omega]

^ I expected Sparkle to make that comment first, but eh, at least I knew that it was coming.

[Edenbeast]

Is Zionism today the real enemy of the Jews?
By Avi Shlaim (http://www.iht.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?query=By Avi Shlaim&sort=swishrank) International Herald Tribune


Zionism is the national liberation movement of the Jewish people and the state of Israel is its political expression. Israel used to be a symbol of freedom and a source of pride for the Jews of the Diaspora. Israel's mistreatment of the Palestinians, however, has turned it into a liability and a moral burden for the liberal segment of the Jewish community. Some Jews, especially on the left, would go even further by linking Israel's behavior to the upsurge of the new anti-Semitism throughout the world. .
Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories since 1967 is the underlying problem. Occupation transformed the Zionist movement from a legitimate national liberation movement for the Jews into a colonial power and an oppressor of the Palestinians. .
By Zionism today I mean the ideological, ultra-nationalist settlers and their supporters in the Likud-led government. These settlers are a tiny minority but they maintain a stranglehold over the Israeli political system. They represent the unacceptable face of Zionism. Zionism does not equal racism, but many of these hard-line settlers and their leaders are blatant racists. Their extremism and their excesses have led some people to start questioning not just the Zionist colonial project beyond the 1967 borders but also the legitimacy of the state of Israel within those borders. And it is these settlers who also endanger the safety and well-being of Jews everywhere. .
Prime Minister Ariel Sharon personifies this xenophobic, exclusive, aggressive and expansionist brand of Zionism. One of the greatest accolades in Judaism is to be a rodeph shalom, a seeker of peace. Sharon is not that by any stretch of the imagination. He is a man of war and the champion of violent solutions. .
Sharon's purpose is politicide: to deny the Palestinians any independent political existence in Palestine. His plan for withdrawal from Gaza is called "the unilateral disengagement plan." It is not a peace plan but a prelude to the annexation of large chunks of the West Bank to Israel. Sharon, the unilateralist par excellence, is a Jewish Rambo — the antithesis of the traditional Jewish values of truth, justice and tolerance. .
Sharon's government is waging a savage war against the Palestinian people. Its policies include the confiscation of land; the demolition of houses; the uprooting of trees; curfews, roadblocks and 736 checkpoints that inflict horrendous hardships; the systematic abuse of Palestinian human rights; and the building of the illegal wall on the West Bank, a wall that is as much about land-grabbing as it is about security. .
It is this brand of cruel Zionism that is the real enemy of what remains of liberal Israel and of the Jews outside Israel. It is the enemy because it fuels the flames of virulent and sometimes violent anti-Semitism. Israel's policies are the cause; hatred of Israel and anti-Semitism are the consequences. .
There has been much talk in recent years about "the new anti-Semitism." The argument, in a nutshell, is that the resurgence of anti-Semitism has little or nothing to do with Israel's behavior. Anti-Zionism is merely a surrogate, so the argument runs, for bad, old-fashioned anti-Semitism. .
These arguments need to be addressed. First: What is anti-Semitism? Isaiah Berlin defined an anti-Semite as "someone who hates Jews more than is strictly necessary!" This mischievous definition has the merit of applying to all anti-Semitism, old as well as new. .
But we need to look beyond the labels. Is there a lot of classic anti-Semitism about? Yes. Is anti-Semitism spreading in Europe? Yes, at an alarming rate. Do some people use anti-Zionism as a respectable cover for their despicable Judeophobia? Alas, yes again. What is the relative weight of hatred of Israel on the one hand and Judeophobia on the other in the making of the new anti-Semitism? I don't know. .
What I do know is that a lot of decent people, without any anti-Semitic baggage, are furious with Israel because of its oppression of the Palestinians. There is simply no getting away from the fact that attitudes toward Israel are changing as a result of its own shift towards the Zionism of the extreme right and of the radical rabbis. During the years of the Oslo peace process, Israel was in fact the favorite of the West because it was willing to withdraw from the occupied territories. .
Israel's image today is negative not because it is a Jewish state but because it habitually transgresses the norms of acceptable international behavior. Indeed, Israel is increasingly perceived as a rogue state, as an international pariah, and as a threat to world peace. .
This perception of Israel is a major factor in the recent resurgence of anti-Semitism in Europe and in the rest of the world. In this sense, Zionism today is the real enemy of the Jews. It is a tragedy that a state that was built as a haven for the Jewish people after the Holocaust is now one of the least safe places on earth for Jews to live in. Israel ought to withdraw from the occupied territories not as a favor to the Palestinians but as a favor to itself and to world Jewry for, as Karl Marx noted, a people that oppresses another cannot itself remain free. .
** .
Avi Shlaim is a British Academy research professor at St. Antony's College, Oxford, and author of "The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World." .

source: http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/02/04/edshlaim_ed3_.php

[hippie_hunter]

Israel and the opposing forces H(i or e?)zbollah forces will continue to do as they please until their own personal goals are satisfied. When Ariel Sharon went down, this was all but assured.

That and the election of Hamas made this crap inevitable

[Mee]

It was bound to happen.

[Palpadious]

Bush will suck Israel's balls like he always does.

[kane9321]

man..i just f'n knew punk ass israel was gonna do some crap like this,too bad the u.s wont condem them about this.ya know what lebannon do what you gotta do now,bets are off

[kane9321]

the u.s better freakin condem this ****e.once again israel crossed the line

[raybia]

man..i just f'n knew punk ass israel was gonna do some crap like this,too bad the u.s wont condem them about this.ya know what lebannon do what you gotta do now,bets are off

I think and hope Lebanon will take the high road and not respond and use this incidence to show the world that they are capable of being the more civilized of the two countries.

[Aiden]

I blame the Reptillians. :cmad::( :up:

[raybia]

(08-20) 04:00 PDT Kiryat Shemona, Israel -- Israeli intelligence officials have complained to Britain and the United States that sensitive night-vision equipment recovered from Hezbollah fighters during the war in Lebanon had been exported by Britain to Iran. British officials said the equipment had been intended for use in a U.N. anti-narcotics campaign.

Israeli officials say they believe the state-of-the-art equipment, found in Hezbollah command-and-control headquarters in southern Lebanon during the just-concluded war, was part of a British government-approved shipment of 250 pieces of night-vision equipment sent to Iran in 2003.

Israeli military intelligence confirmed that one of the pieces of equipment is a Thermo-vision 1000 LR tactical night-vision system, serial No. 155010, part No. 193960, manufactured by Agema, a high-tech equipment company with branches in Bedfordshire, England, and San Diego. A spokesman for Agema in San Diego denied all knowledge of the system.

The equipment, which needed special export-license approval from the British government, was passed to the Iranians through a program run and administered by the U.N. Drug Control Program. The equipment uses infrared imaging to provide nighttime surveillance that allows the user to detect people and vehicles moving in the dark at a range of several miles.

Use of such equipment would have enabled Hezbollah to detect and record the movements of Israeli forces inside Israel, as well as its military advance into Lebanon.

Britain and Italy both have provided specialized tracking and monitoring equipment over the past decade as part of U.N.-sponsored attempts to stem the flow of heroin and opium into Western Europe from Afghanistan and Pakistan. Iran is a major route for shipment of narcotics to the West.

A spokesman for the British Foreign Office in London said Saturday, "The Israeli Defense Forces have confirmed to us they have found some night-vision equipment in south Lebanon that is apparently made in Britain. We're trying to get further details to see exactly what the equipment is, who made it and who the original buyer is."

The spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Britain participates, through the U.N. drug-fighting agency, in Iran's interception program, which is run by anti-narcotics forces along the country's eastern border with Afghanistan and Pakistan, both major opium poppy-growing countries.

"We've been encouraging the Iranians as part of their anti-narcotics program, and there was an export in 2003 ... as part of the heroin and opium smuggling program. This is an area where we try not to let the nuclear issue prevent cooperation on countering narcotics," he said, referring to Iran's dispute with the United Nations over its nuclear enrichment program.

The Foreign Office spokesman said officials at the British Embassy in Tel Aviv have requested serial and parts numbers of the seized equipment to try to determine how it ended up in the hands of Hezbollah guerrillas fighting Israeli forces in Lebanon.

The equipment was found by Israeli forces in the southern Lebanese village of Mis-a-Jebel on Aug. 8, in a house belonging to a 60-year-old man whose four sons were all known to be Hezbollah fighters. The discovery was disclosed in a briefing by Lt. Col. Olivier Radowicz, an Israeli army spokesman, and later confirmed in detail by Israeli military intelligence officials, who also provided photographs of the equipment taken in the house where it was discovered.

"These are tactical night-vision systems ... given to Hezbollah by Iran. The Iranians are the 100 percent provider of all the materiel, especially intelligence materiel, to Hezbollah," Radowicz said.

The discovery of the night-vision equipment, together with sophisticated recording and monitoring devices and stashes of antitank missiles and rockets, led the Israelis to believe the five-room house was the command-and-control unit for Hezbollah in the local area, he said.

In the early phases of the Israeli ground advance against Hezbollah positions across the border region, commanders complained to their superiors that nighttime operations had been hampered by the ability of Hezbollah fighters to observe and counter the Israeli moves. In more than six days of bitter fighting around the village of Mis-a-Jebel, the Israeli army lost six soldiers, and more than 20 were injured.

"The night-vision unit was used to observe the movement of troops. It's very close to the border, so it can see Israeli troops. You can also record what you are watching. Then it is connected to computers. You can obtain a perfect intelligence picture in real time about the situation. It is then connected to firing systems or to units that are going to act in accordance with the intelligence they are receiving," Radowicz said during the briefing.

"It is a system that we can find in every serious army in the world. We don't talk here about just a terrorist fantasy. We are talking here about a very serious, high-quality system of a very professional army. We're talking here about hundreds of millions of dollars given by Iran to Hezbollah in the last six years," he said.

"In every village which served as the regional command, you can find the same unit -- intelligence, weapons systems, command and control and connection -- with the units which are firing or using the mobile platforms (for firing rockets) for targeting Israel," he said.

Israeli intelligence officials said they had contacted the British and U.S. embassies in Tel Aviv to pass on information of the discovery of the night-vision equipment, requesting explanations of where the equipment had come from and how it fell into the hands of Hezbollah fighters.

Freelance journalist Bob Graham contributed to this report.




This just fuels my suspicion that the U.S. and west ensures that weapons and equipment finds itself in the hands of resistence groups like Hezbollah so that continue fighting and eradication of them can be justified.

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Article - http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768
Thread - http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=246232

[hippie_hunter]

the u.s better freakin condem this ****e.once again israel crossed the line

I've read a few of your posts about the current conflict and let me tell you this:

Stay neutral, and don't pick a side. They are both in the wrong. Israel has crossed the line numerous times. Hamas, the Palestinians, Hezbollah and others have crossed the line numerous times. This is a pathetic futile conflict with no end in sight and choosing a side is somewhat naive when they both brought this upon themselves.

[Mr Sparkle]

I've read a few of your posts about the current conflict and let me tell you this:

Stay neutral, and don't pick a side. They are both in the wrong. Israel has crossed the line numerous times. Hamas, the Palestinians, Hezbollah and others have crossed the line numerous times. This is a pathetic futile conflict with no end in sight and choosing a side is somewhat naive when they both brought this upon themselves.

actually, outside forces brought it upon them

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http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008768

Some interesting stuff in this old articl

[Mr Sparkle]

^ I expected Sparkle to make that comment first, but eh, at least I knew that it was coming.

:rolleyes: yah, zeig heil mein fuhrer.

[kainedamo]

I've read a few of your posts about the current conflict and let me tell you this:

Stay neutral, and don't pick a side. They are both in the wrong. Israel has crossed the line numerous times. Hamas, the Palestinians, Hezbollah and others have crossed the line numerous times. This is a pathetic futile conflict with no end in sight and choosing a side is somewhat naive when they both brought this upon themselves.


The Palestinians being mad 'cause Israel have unlawfully occupied their land for decades, and Israel locking up thousands of people unlawfully... these aren't pathetic grievances.

[jaguarr]

I think and hope Lebanon will take the high road and not respond and use this incidence to show the world that they are capable of being the more civilized of the two countries.

I really hope you're right. At some point, one of these countries has got to mature at least ever so slightly and start taking steps to diffuse all of this ongoing fighting and work towards more peaceful resolutions.

jag

[hippie_hunter]

actually, outside forces brought it upon them

That too, but I'm talking about more recently that the actions of both parties have brought this upon themselves

[Alpha and Omega]

:rolleyes: yah, zeig heil mein fuhrer.

:( Wegen Sie, ist das Land nicht sicher. :csad:

[Mr. Thing]

:( Wegen Sie, ist das Land nicht sicher. :csad:

Lassen Sie uns nur reden auf Deutsch ab jetzt.

[Carter]

Sprechen sie deutsche?

[Alpha and Omega]

Lassen Sie uns nur reden auf Deutsch ab jetzt.

Während Sie wünschen

[Mr. Thing]

Sprechen sie deutsche?

Ja habe ich es in der Schule studiert.

[Alpha and Omega]

Sie müssen Ihre Methoden raffinieren und müssen wachsen!

[Mr. Thing]

Sie müssen Ihre Methoden raffinieren und müssen wachsen!

Sie benutzend einen Übersetzer?

[Jolie_Desastre]

boobieh douchehbaggie jabbeh duh huttiie :confused:

[Alpha and Omega]

Sie benutzend einen Übersetzer?

Ja aber ich werde nicht erzählen, wenn Sie nicht werden. :)

boobieh douchehbaggie jabbeh duh huttiie

Mene splizza baja podo. Bantha pujo. :o

[Assassin]

i wanna speak nazi :(







lol we should send mel gibson with a 12 foot sword and some blue war paint, he'll handle this, he is stronger than chuck norris you know

[Jolie_Desastre]

Ja aber ich werde nicht erzählen, wenn Sie nicht werden. :)



Mene splizza baja podo. Bantha pujo. :o

the ****?:confused:

[Assassin]

umeck gahba?? no thats arabic my bad

[AnimeJune]

The Palestinians being mad 'cause Israel have unlawfully occupied their land for decades, and Israel locking up thousands of people unlawfully... these aren't pathetic grievances.-->To Hippie Hunter - I agree, although sentimentally, and due to the fact that I have close Jewish friends, my support goes to Israel.

In regards to the ceasefire, seems to me that both sides were finding ways to get around it - but Israel was the one who got caught. Oops.

Kainedemo: From what I've read and heard about that situation - the Palestinians weren't driven out of Israel. The Jews actually urged them to stay, but the Palestinians left because the surrounding Arab nations (like Syria and Iran) were planning on attacking Israel. Thinking they'd be gone for just a few weeks (I guess they figured Israel would be defeated pretty quickly), they were the ones who chose to leave. The Jews didn't move in and kick the Palestinians out - they just moved in and the Palestinians couldn't tolerate living in peace with them.

Granted, the situation now isn't that cut and dry - generations have passed, and generations of Palestinians have grown up in horrible conditions having much to blame Israel for. But I don't think the "Jews are living in Israel illegally anyway" excuse is really valid anymore.

[Jolie_Desastre]

malashee :o

[Alpha and Omega]

the ****?:confused:

Chi-ne' toba slassseck matiien buurdyniech?

[kainedamo]

I think some of you are now coming around ;)

Yes, Israel, dig your own hole and turn everyone against you!

[Assassin]

airub yahood!

[Alpha and Omega]

I think some of you are now coming around ;)

Yes, Israel, dig your own hole and turn everyone against you!

Die Israelis werden im Blut von Belfast baden! :o


Sprechen sie deutsche?

Wir sprechen alle Dinge Carter, für wir waren hier, bevor alle Dinge gesprochen wurden.

[AnimeJune]

i wanna speak nazi :(







lol we should send mel gibson with a 12 foot sword and some blue war paint, he'll handle this, he is stronger than chuck norris you knowEtto...watashi was nihongo o hanasemasu. Et je peux parler francais. Je suis aller au Ecole bilingue, donc...

i kn spik n00b 2! LOLZ!!1!1!!

Seriously, though - German's a good language. So cut the "Nazi" stuff, okay?

[Mr. Thing]

Die Israelis werden im Blut von Belfast baden! :o



Heiliger Jesus!

[kainedamo]

Die Israelis werden im Blut von Belfast baden! :o

Ihre Mutter hat einen großen Zeh, und ein Tag Irland wird Lieder von Ihrem Tod singen.

[Assassin]

Etto...watashi was nihongo o hanasemasu. Et je peux parler francais. Je suis aller au Ecole bilingue, donc...

i kn spik n00b 2! LOLZ!!1!1!!

Seriously, though - German's a good language. So cut the "Nazi" stuff, okay?


i kno, but speaking german about jews = Nazi

and i'm not saying it in a bad way ;)

[Alpha and Omega]

Ihre Mutter hat einen großen Zeh, und ein Tag Irland wird Lieder von Ihrem Tod singen.

Ich war geboren von keiner Mutter, und Irland ist ziemlich apathisch angehen mich.

Netter Versuch obwohl, und ich habe es ist ineffektiver Stich genossen. :)

[Assassin]

erub yahood erub yahood! repeat after me!

erub yahood erub yahood!

[Darren Daring]

This is what happens when Jews form clubs:mad:

[Assassin]

maybe?

[Alpha and Omega]

This is what happens when Jews form clubs:mad:

Dies ist, was geschieht, wenn unsinnige Leute aufstellen. :)

[Assassin]

Borat and Mel gibson are my heros

[Kurosawa]

Actually ,neither side ever obeyed the terms of the cease-fire. Hezbollah wasn't disarmed and the prisoners they took when they started this current mess were not returned.

Seems like neither side over there can stop it. Best bet is to surround the entire country with walls and fenses and have it guarded by the UN. That would keep Isreal's enemies out and keep Isreal in.

I don't think this shocks anybody, though. This crap will never end until that part of the world grows up.

[Topdawg]

Israel needs to be taught a lesson, stupid bastards.

[GoldenAgeHero]

finger blazen

[Assassin]

Saladin and the Lion Heart king Richard had it right the first time, Christains and Muslums live there in peace, together. How did the Jews take over?

[Edenbeast]

-->To Hippie Hunter - I agree, although sentimentally, and due to the fact that I have close Jewish friends, my support goes to Israel.

In regards to the ceasefire, seems to me that both sides were finding ways to get around it - but Israel was the one who got caught. Oops.

Kainedemo: From what I've read and heard about that situation - the Palestinians weren't driven out of Israel. The Jews actually urged them to stay, but the Palestinians left because the surrounding Arab nations (like Syria and Iran) were planning on attacking Israel. Thinking they'd be gone for just a few weeks (I guess they figured Israel would be defeated pretty quickly), they were the ones who chose to leave. The Jews didn't move in and kick the Palestinians out - they just moved in and the Palestinians couldn't tolerate living in peace with them.

Granted, the situation now isn't that cut and dry - generations have passed, and generations of Palestinians have grown up in horrible conditions having much to blame Israel for. But I don't think the "Jews are living in Israel illegally anyway" excuse is really valid anymore.

Could you please find me (us) something documented explaining that in details?

[AnimeJune]

The only thing I could find on such short notice is an article in Wikipedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#War_of_Independence_and_migration

But I'll quote the exact paragraph:

Large numbers of the Arab population fled the newly-created Jewish State during the Palestinian exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_exodus), which is referred to by many Palestinian groups and individuals as the Nakba (Arabic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language): النكبة), meaning "disaster" or "cataclysm". Many historians suggest that the Palestinians fled due to orders from Arab generals. Many Palestinians left under the belief that the Arab armies would prevail and they would return.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#_note-NYPost) Moreover, Israel offered — in the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_the_Establishment_of_the_State_of_I srael) — to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel the full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions, but many refused.
I'll do more research on the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, if you like.

Granted - Wikipedia is hardly the most reliable source (the article for "Israel" has actually been locked from being editted by new or non-members because of internet vandalism), but it's pointed me in the right direction. If you're interested, I could go look up some books at the library about the Declaration.

[AnimeJune]

i kno, but speaking german about jews = Nazi

and i'm not saying it in a bad way ;)I honestly don't know what part of this statement offends me more.

[Alpha and Omega]

I honestly don't know what part of this statement offends me more.

Befürchten Sie nicht. Er sucht nur ein Steigen von Ihnen. Ignorieren Sie ihn und leben Sie friedlich.

[Assassin]

I honestly don't know what part of this statement offends me more.

lol i dont care :O

[AnimeJune]

Befürchten Sie nicht. Er sucht nur ein Steigen von Ihnen. Ignorieren Sie ihn und leben Sie friedlich.Translation, please? :)

[Carter]

Translation, please? :)

"Kill all jews."

Looks like we have another hype nazi:down

[Alpha and Omega]

Translation, please? :)

Do not fear. He seeks only a rise out of you. Ignore it and live you peacefully.

"Kill all jews."

Looks like we have another hype nazi:down

:( I'm no Benito. :csad:

[Arkady Rossovich]

Israel looks like the loser,support for Hezbola looks high.Its doubtful that this cease-fire will last,tentions are high,and nearly anything now can set the fighting off again.

[AnimeJune]

Do not fear. He seeks only a rise out of you. Ignore it and live you peacefully.



:( I'm no Benito. :csad:Yeah, I kinda figured he was - being the Negative Peck (the "Kcep", if you will) and all.

[Assassin]

lol, i dont hate jews, only israelies like i stated before, me just playing, but mel gibson is still my hero

[Alpha and Omega]

lol, i dont hate jews, only israelies like i stated before, me just playing, but mel gibson is still my hero

Edomite. :o

[Darthphere]

Edomite. :o


*grabs dictionary*

[Assassin]

Edomite. :o

translate

[Sasquatch]

GO ISRAELITES!!!
http://newsfromrussia.com/images/newsline/STORY.iSRAELI.TROOPS.jpg.jpeg
Yeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaw!

[Spider-Bite]

the world sucks. doesn't it?

[Assassin]

i'm not with hasballah whatsoever but **** Israel

[Super_Ludacris]

Israel looks like the loser,support for Hezbola looks high.Its doubtful that this cease-fire will last,tentions are high,and nearly anything now can set the fighting off again.

They've been reading the same books we have been reading for the War in Iraq.

Battle Conflict for Dummies

[TheSumOfGod]

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le lolz :D

[TheSumOfGod]

douple post

[AnimeJune]

le lolz :DI :heart: David Cross.

Tobias Funke: "I'm giving out business cards of my services, as both an analyst and a therapist - an anal-rapist, if you will. But so far, no one's contacted me. Maybe they're confused about the pronounciation."

Michael Bluthe: "I bet that's it."

[Mr Sparkle]

The only thing I could find on such short notice is an article in Wikipedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel#War_of_Independence_and_migration

But I'll quote the exact paragraph:
I'll do more research on the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel, if you like.

Granted - Wikipedia is hardly the most reliable source (the article for "Israel" has actually been locked from being editted by new or non-members because of internet vandalism), but it's pointed me in the right direction. If you're interested, I could go look up some books at the library about the Declaration.


regardless of Wikipedia the most telling portion of the post is the following

"Many historians suggest that the Palestinians fled due to orders from Arab generals"

hardly anything you can tout as fact.

suggestion:

a proposal offered for acceptance or rejection; "it was a suggestion we couldn't refuse"
the sequential mental process in which one thought leads to another by association

[AnimeJune]

regardless of Wikipedia the most telling portion of the post is the following

"Many historians suggest that the Palestinians fled due to orders from Arab generals"

hardly anything you can tout as fact.

suggestion:

a proposal offered for acceptance or rejection; "it was a suggestion we couldn't refuse"
the sequential mental process in which one thought leads to another by association
The Declaration isn't a suggestion, though - I'll go look it up, and I'll bet it still says that Arabs were fully allowed to live peacefully in Israel. Is there anybody on the Hype boards who is from Israel, or knows someone who lives in Israel who can help us out?

[Erundur]

I believe Superman4ever has relatives that live in Israel.

[Mr Sparkle]

The Declaration isn't a suggestion, though - I'll go look it up, and I'll bet it still says that Arabs were fully allowed to live peacefully in Israel. Is there anybody on the Hype boards who is from Israel, or knows someone who lives in Israel who can help us out?

however, Eden Beast's post about the attacks since 1946 suggest that regardless of their declaration the reality was far different.

[AnimeJune]

however, Eden Beast's post about the attacks since 1946 suggest that regardless of their declaration the reality was far different.I'm beginning to understand one of your points - I went back and read that specific Edenbeast post.

Most of those atrocities, as the article noted (although my estimation of its neutrality is low, based on how they note the "bestial tendencies" of the Israelis), were committed by Zionist terrorists.

Now, my knee-jerk reaction would be, "Don't blame all of Israel for what the Israeli terrorists are doing."

But of course, the answer would be, "Israel's blaming Lebanon for what the terroristsare doing."
Well played, Mr. Sparkle.

I believe Hezbollah should be dealt with. I believe Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that threatens Israel. But I also believe that Israel should have taken better measures to get back their soldiers, one that did not result in such horrific collateral damage.

Granted - I'm pretty sure those kidnapped soldiers are dead by now. Poor guys. I can see Israel's point of view in the situation regarding the kidnapped soldiers and their refusal to release their own prisoners ("Why should we have to negotiate with terrorists?"), I also see they are wreaking the most havoc in this conflict. I have deep sympathy and respect for Israel, and they continue to have my spiritual support in this conflict, but I'll be praying for different measures to be used to bring this conflict to an end.

I still believe that if Israel stopped fighting (and by fighting, I mean, using military measures in direct defense of itself), it would eventually be destroyed, but that if the Arab nations stopped fighting, there would be peace. Not now, not immediately, but eventually. In a situation as complicated as this, it's the best we can hope for.

I believe there should be a ceasefire, but I think something permanent should be set up against organizations like Hezbollah and Arab countries who continue to be at war with Israel. The bigger picture has been ignored for a while, and it should be dealt with.

[Mr Sparkle]

I believe Hezbollah should be dealt with. I believe Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that threatens Israel. But I also believe that Israel should have taken better measures to get back their soldiers, one that did not result in such horrific collateral damage.

Granted - I'm pretty sure those kidnapped soldiers are dead by now. Poor guys. I can see Israel's point of view in the situation regarding the kidnapped soldiers and their refusal to release their own prisoners ("Why should we have to negotiate with terrorists?"), I also see they are wreaking the most havoc in this conflict. I have deep sympathy and respect for Israel, and they continue to have my spiritual support in this conflict, but I'll be praying for different measures to be used to bring this conflict to an end.



what about the fact that Israel itself has in the past kidnapped lebanese citizens? or the fact that there a prisoners that have been without trials for years in Israeli prisons?
is that still worthy of your spiritual support? remember this is the Israeli GOVERNMENT not some Zionist Terror group.
(oh and I looked at the Eden's post incident by incident, some I already knoew about, some I looked up and It seems true)

[Super_Ludacris]

I have a friend from Isarel and he thinks his army are "the stupidest mother****ers on the planet" (and I quote this lol)

[Mr Sparkle]

I believe there should be a ceasefire, but I think something permanent should be set up against organizations like Hezbollah and Arab countries who continue to be at war with Israel. The bigger picture has been ignored for a while, and it should be dealt with.


oh, and I forgot, what about Hezbolah's non-military arm, should that be dissolved as well? what about (for instance) Israel breaking the cease fire.
If Hezbolah have done it, you would've called them a "class act" right? why not the same standards of excellence for Israel? who is militarily superiror, therefore frankly less threatened.

[raybia]

I have a friend from Isarel and he thinks his army are "the stupidest mother****ers on the planet" (and I quote this lol)


Its funny how many supporters of the Israel Government never mention the dissent of many Israel citizens and the protesting of many Jews from around the world.

Or if they purely get their info from Fox News and the other Western media outlets then I guess they wouldn't know.

[Super_Ludacris]

yeah! and my Jewish friend is all like "**** the army" too!

lol