The Israel Situation

[War Lord]

E-6

Staff Sgt.

...and you?

Is an employee sgt more important than a staff sgt?

[roach]

E-6

Staff Sgt.

...and you?


E-6

Petty Officer First Class :up:

[War Lord]

E-6

Petty Officer First Class :up:

Civilian.

[roach]

Civilian.


word:up:

[deemar325]

He doesn't need a rank. Didn't you see his avatar? He's Supermanuel L. Jackson! He needs this mutha****in' kryptonite off this mutha****in' plane!

Yes they deserve to die!!! and I hope Snakes on a plane is a good movie!!!

[roach]

Yes they deserve to die!!! and I hope Snakes on a plane is a good movie!!!

I cant wait for the sequel Snakes on a Train

[bored]

I cant wait for the sequel Snakes on a Train


The sequel is going to be "Scorpions on a Boat". Followed by "Mosquitos on a Space Ship".

[deemar325]

Is an employee sgt more important than a staff sgt?


Heres the run down..

E-1 = Private (Grunt,Lowly soldier,newbies)
E-2 = Private 2nd class (Grunt)
E-3 = Private First Class (Grunt with ambition and no brains)
E-4 = Specialist (Grunt on the cusp of power, still a pogue)
E-5 = Sergeant (A.K.A Buck Sgt. He's the bulldog)
E-6 = Staff Sgt (That's me, Squad or platoon leader)
E-7 = Sgt First Class (Grizzled vet)
E-8 = Master Sgt/1st Sgt(The Hammer, the Man!)
E-9 = Command Sgt Major (Big Daddy)

Then you got the officers, a bunch of college boys and daddy was a senator kids.

[deemar325]

I cant wait for the sequel Snakes on a Train

LMAO!!!

"I can't get away from these got damn snakes!"

[roach]

Navy

E-1...Seaman Recruit other wise refered to as FNG or E-nothings
E-2...Seaman Apprentice....just another name for the guy who cleans the showers
E-3...Seaman...same as the other two....E-Nothings
E-4..Petty Officer Third Class.....still not smart but not as dumb
E-5..Petty Oficer Second Class....usually the supervisor..gets things done
E-6...Petty Officer First Class....The Leading Petty Officer(LPO)
E-7...Chief Petty Officer.....this is a very prestigious rank to make it to. They run the Navy
E-8...Senior Chief....the man the myth and the legend
E-9...Master Chief.....the Top guy

[roach]

LMAO!!!

"I can't get away from these got damn snakes!"


Then Snakes On Boats, Snakes On Krypton, Pulp Snakes, Deep Blue Snake,

[deemar325]

Navy

E-1...Seaman Recruit other wise refered to as FNG or E-nothings
E-2...Seaman Apprentice....just another name for the guy who cleans the showers
E-3...Seaman...same as the other two....E-Nothings
E-4..Petty Officer Third Class.....still not smart but not as dumb
E-5..Petty Oficer Second Class....usually the supervisor..gets things done
E-6...Petty Officer First Class....The Leading Petty Officer(LPO)
E-7...Chief Petty Officer.....this is a very prestigious rank to make it to. They run the Navy
E-8...Senior Chief....the man the myth and the legend
E-9...Master Chief.....the Top guy

Yeah, pretty much the NCOs run the military and keep it going.

:up:

[bored]

Then Snakes On Boats, Snakes On Krypton, Pulp Snakes, Deep Blue Snake,


And of course, Formula Fifty-Snake.

[deemar325]

Then Snakes On Boats, Snakes On Krypton, Pulp Snakes, Deep Blue Snake,



LOL!!

'Shaft with snakes'

'Black Snake Moan'

'Caveman's Valentine & Snakes!'

'A Time to kill..Snakes!'

'Do tha Right Thing...by killing snakes.'

'Eve's Bayou...full of snakes!'

[roach]

Yeah, pretty much the NCOs run the military and keep it going.

:up:


aint that the truth...the Navy actually did a test to see if a ship full of officers could get underway...it didnt happen. Then they did a ship full of Chiefs...they left for Hawaii and we havent seen them since:up:

[roach]

LOL!!

'Shaft with snakes'

'Black Snake Moan'

'Caveman's Valentine & Snakes!'

'A Time to kill..Snakes!'

'Do tha Right Thing...by killing snakes.'

'Eve's Bayou...full of snakes!'

Phantom Snakes
Attack of the Snakes
Revenge of the Snakes

[deemar325]

And of course, Formula Fifty-Snake.

LOL!

[roach]

"Im gonna get you Sucka-snake"

[deemar325]

aint that the truth...the Navy actually did a test to see if a ship full of officers could get underway...it didnt happen. Then they did a ship full of Chiefs...they left for Hawaii and we havent seen them since:up:

LMAO!!!!!!!!!


:up: :)

That made my day Roach, thankyou.

[DBella]

aint that the truth...the Navy actually did a test to see if a ship full of officers could get underway...it didnt happen. Then they did a ship full of Chiefs...they left for Hawaii and we havent seen them since:up:
Hahaha! Good one, roach! :up:

Btw, what's your rank? You said E-6s are LPOs, what if a department has more than one? I think the E-6s in the Marines or Army get more respect than Navy E-6s.

[bored]

aint that the truth...the Navy actually did a test to see if a ship full of officers could get underway...it didnt happen. Then they did a ship full of Chiefs...they left for Hawaii and we havent seen them since:up:

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Sorry. I couldn't resist.

[hippie_hunter]

I honestly don't see the point of arguing with most of you, it's clear you won't listen to reason. I was thinking, I'll dig up a few news articles, give informative information about how the Palestinians were kicked off their land after World War 2, how Palestine is practically like a prison camp, how they live in poverty thanks to Israel, all that sort of thing. But whats the point...
We aren't denying that Israel has put the Palestinians into a very s**tty position. And yes, their military incursions in the Gaza Strip and West Bank go way too far. But it's not only their fault. The Palestinians also put themselves into their position by supporting invading Arabic nations and suicide bombings giving the Israelis no reason to trust them. They blindly supported the corrupt Fatah during the days of Yasser Arafat. They made democracy a complete failure by electing a terrorist group into power, as a result violence has escalated and no aid is comming to the Palestinians. And they refuse to negotiate, they demand that all of their demands to be met, Abbas was their best chance of having a middle ground reached and they ruined that chance. Both parties are guilty.

I've been called anti-semetic. One guy said that the Jews are entitled to the land because God said so - you can't argue with someone like that. Another guy is called hippie-hunter, and I don't think any irony is meant in that name. Another guy thought that Jews were kicked out of Israel by Hitler... that did not happen at all. Before World War II, the land belonged to the Palestinians for thousands of years.
I do not think one bit that you are anti-Semitic. I just think that you are misguided in blindly supporting one group that deserves basically no sympathy. The Israelis don't either in my opinion.

The Palestinians are not the only ones with claims to the land. The Jews had it first, and then the Roman pagans took it away from the Jews, and then the Byzantine Christians took posession of the territory when the Roman Empire was split, and then the Ottoman Turks took it when the Byzantine Empire was in decline. The land actually had Jewish and Christian majorities before the Muslims came in. The land is holy to all three groups. The land did have a sizeable Jewish population before Israel became an independent state due to immigration before and after World War II. And if it weren't for the Arab invasion of Israel in 1948, there would have been an independend Arab state in Palestine and the independent city of Jerusalem.

I also choose the name hippie_hunter because it is meant to be a saying of "Hippies Totally Suck" Because they do :o

[JLBats]

I never understood why you hated hippies so...

BASTARD!

[hippie_hunter]

Navy

E-1...Seaman Recruit other wise refered to as FNG or E-nothings
E-2...Seaman Apprentice....just another name for the guy who cleans the showers
E-3...Seaman...same as the other two....E-Nothings
E-4..Petty Officer Third Class.....still not smart but not as dumb
E-5..Petty Oficer Second Class....usually the supervisor..gets things done
E-6...Petty Officer First Class....The Leading Petty Officer(LPO)
E-7...Chief Petty Officer.....this is a very prestigious rank to make it to. They run the Navy
E-8...Senior Chief....the man the myth and the legend
E-9...Master Chief.....the Top guy

My dad is E-8. :)

[hippie_hunter]

I never understood why you hated hippies so...

BASTARD!

They smell bad, they're lazy, they're a bunch of annoying enviromentalists, they're god damn peace-niks, they're god damn druggies, they always drive those ugly vans and VW beatles, they're dirty, they won't cut their hair. God, their is just so damn much to hate about them :mad:

[War Lord]

We aren't denying that Israel has put the Palestinians into a very s**tty position. And yes, their military incursions in the Gaza Strip and West Bank go way too far. But it's not only their fault. The Palestinians also put themselves into their position by supporting invading Arabic nations and suicide bombings giving the Israelis no reason to trust them. They blindly supported the corrupt Fatah during the days of Yasser Arafat. They made democracy a complete failure by electing a terrorist group into power, as a result violence has escalated and no aid is comming to the Palestinians. And they refuse to negotiate, they demand that all of their demands to be met, Abbas was their best chance of having a middle ground reached and they ruined that chance. Both parties are guilty.


I do not think one bit that you are anti-Semitic. I just think that you are misguided in blindly supporting one group that deserves basically no sympathy. The Israelis don't either in my opinion.

The Palestinians are not the only ones with claims to the land. The Jews had it first, and then the Roman pagans took it away from the Jews, and then the Byzantine Christians took posession of the territory when the Roman Empire was split, and then the Ottoman Turks took it when the Byzantine Empire was in decline. The land actually had Jewish and Christian majorities before the Muslims came in. The land is holy to all three groups. The land did have a sizeable Jewish population before Israel became an independent state due to immigration before and after World War II. And if it weren't for the Arab invasion of Israel in 1948, there would have been an independend Arab state in Palestine and the independent city of Jerusalem.

I also choose the name hippie_hunter because it is meant to be a saying of "Hippies Totally Suck" Because they do :o

You do realize that you could be talking to a real life hippie, don't you?

Shoot him! Shoot him!

[bored]

They smell bad, they're lazy, they're a bunch of annoying enviromentalists, they're god damn peace-niks, they're god damn druggies, they always drive those ugly vans and VW beatles, they're dirty, they won't cut their hair. God, their is just so damn much to hate about them :mad:


And the worst part of it all, they probably love you anyway.

[Mr Sparkle]

They smell bad, they're lazy, they're a bunch of annoying enviromentalists, they're god damn peace-niks, they're god damn druggies, they always drive those ugly vans and VW beatles, they're dirty, they won't cut their hair. God, their is just so damn much to hate about them :mad:

I've met a ton of hippies and they are all awesomeness, and I mean real comune hippies, they're cool.
because they talk the talk and walk the walk:up:

[warpdrive]

You have to understand that the media is pretty onesided, they're not so much interested in the truth anymore. You know low ratings and such. I don't fully support everything that Israel is doing, but the battle is going back and forth on both sides, don't forget about the suicide bombers. Israel is simply defending themselves. That land by right belongs to Israel, God gave it to them. History records this. The people who call themselves palestinians today, are not really palistinians for they disappeard centuries ago, they were of European decent. Isreal on the other hand were away from their land for centuries and are still a nation. at lease Israel is willing to share the land, while the Palestinians have no intention of doing so but want and I quote "to push them into the sea"

[kainedamo]

That land by right belongs to Israel, God gave it to them.

HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Are you serious? Dear God, you're serious aren't you? In your religion, do idiots go to hell? If so, you're rather ****ed.

[Kaleb]

I for one am getting tired of this crap between Palestine and Ireal.

[roach]

Hahaha! Good one, roach! :up:

Btw, what's your rank? You said E-6s are LPOs, what if a department has more than one? I think the E-6s in the Marines or Army get more respect than Navy E-6s.


a dept can have more than one E-6(I am an E-6...QM1 to be exact) but one has to be the Leading Petty Officer. E-6's have loads of respect in the Navy. They have their own places on the ship to eat and they have First Class Associations in which to chill and hang out with other E-6's. I made E-6 in less than 5 years which is a big thing in the Navy....I am pretty much a lifer now

[roach]

LMAO!!!!!!!!!


:up: :)

That made my day Roach, thankyou.


no problem....My brother is an E-6 too and went into the Blue to Green program(where Sailors become Soldiers by joining the Army)...The Army gave him $20,000 to do it too

[DBella]

a dept can have more than one E-6(I am an E-6...QM1 to be exact) but one has to be the Leading Petty Officer. E-6's have loads of respect in the Navy. They have their own places on the ship to eat and they have First Class Associations in which to chill and hang out with other E-6's. I made E-6 in less than 5 years which is a big thing in the Navy....I am pretty much a lifer now
I guess it also depends on your rate and yours seem to be a good rate for an E-6. I know quite a few E-6s (my brother and ex among them) and some are very happy with it and some feel they'd be much better off as an E-6 in the Marines or Army. A friend of mine told me once that they were training with some Marines and an E-5 Marine guy told him, "An E-6 in the Marines get treated with more respect than you guys." Like I said, I guess it depends on the rate and the command maybe.

[JLBats]

They smell bad, they're lazy, they're a bunch of annoying enviromentalists, they're god damn peace-niks, they're god damn druggies, they always drive those ugly vans and VW beatles, they're dirty, they won't cut their hair. God, their is just so damn much to hate about them :mad:

HIPPIE HUNTER IS A WAR AND HATE MONGER!

[deemar325]

no problem....My brother is an E-6 too and went into the Blue to Green program(where Sailors become Soldiers by joining the Army)...The Army gave him $20,000 to do it too

Nah, did he?

I hope he doesn't have to go to Iraq.

[deemar325]

HIPPIE HUNTER IS A WAR AND HATE MONGER!

You didn't know?

[deemar325]

a dept can have more than one E-6(I am an E-6...QM1 to be exact) but one has to be the Leading Petty Officer. E-6's have loads of respect in the Navy. They have their own places on the ship to eat and they have First Class Associations in which to chill and hang out with other E-6's. I made E-6 in less than 5 years which is a big thing in the Navy....I am pretty much a lifer now

Your a fast track, cool!

I got my E-6 about a year and half ago.

[hippie_hunter]

HIPPIE HUNTER IS A WAR AND HATE MONGER!

You're damn right I'm a war and hate monger! :mad:

A hatemonger against hippies and I prepare for war against them every single day of my life :mad:

[hippie_hunter]

I've met a ton of hippies and they are all awesomeness, and I mean real comune hippies, they're cool.
because they talk the talk and walk the walk:up:

The communes are like wildlife reservations for them :(

[deemar325]

You're damn right I'm a war and hate monger! :mad:

A hatemonger against hippies and I prepare for war against them every single day of my life :mad:

Why?

I enjoy combat at times, but I dislike having to take lives.

[hippie_hunter]

Why?

I enjoy combat at times, but I dislike having to take lives.

Because they're dirty hippies that's why. I do have a reputation of being the Hype's resident Cartman-esque hippy hater to keep here now :o

[deemar325]

Because they're dirty hippies that's why. I do have a reputation of being the Hype's resident Cartman-esque hippy hater to keep here now :o

Well there ya go...



At least keep it funny. :up:

[hippie_hunter]

HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Are you serious? Dear God, you're serious aren't you? In your religion, do idiots go to hell? If so, you're rather ****ed.

The reason why many Christians and Jews support Israel fully is because the Bible says that God made a covenant with the Jews that the land of Palestine is theirs as a homeland for them and Jerusalem is one of the holiest cities in Christianity and Judiaism

The reason why many Muslims support the Palestinians fully is because it is the place where Muhammad went to Heaven and received the Koran from Allah. That is the reason why Jerusalem is one of the holiest cities in Islam. And the place was conquered by the Muslims during the 6th Century.

Mocking a person's religous beleifs like that is just simple douchebaggery.

[hippie_hunter]

Well there ya go...



At least keep it funny. :up:

You actually thought that I wanted to KILL people :confused:

[deemar325]

You actually thought that I wanted to KILL people :confused:

Nah, just engaging in conversation.


:up:

[hippie_hunter]

You do realize that you could be talking to a real life hippie, don't you?

Shoot him! Shoot him!

He's not a hippy, he's just an Irish Che Guerva wanna-be :o

[kainedamo]

The way I see it, hippie hunter, is that if a religion says that one person is more entitled to a piece of land than another, therefore you must go to war to keep that land, then there is something wrong with that religon. And if a person is actually going to say "God said it's their land" as an actual argument in a debate such as this, then there is something wrong with that person.

Religion is flawed. And what God thinks has no place in this argument anyway.

[deemar325]

Oh this is gonna be good.

[hippie_hunter]

The way I see it, hippie hunter, is that if a religion says that one person is more entitled to a piece of land than another, therefore you must go to war to keep that land, then there is something wrong with that religon. And if a person is actually going to say "God said it's their land" as an actual argument in a debate such as this, then there is something wrong with that person.

Religion is flawed. And what God thinks has no place in this argument anyway.

Actually both true Judaism and Christianity look down upon war. Islam supports it in some form with the concept of jihad.

Yes, I do beleive that religion is flawed, hence why I became an athiest. But that doesn't give me (or anyone else) the right to go off and mock another's beleifs. There is nothing wrong with someone saying "God said it's their land" because they are going with their religous beleifs, whether it be Jewish, Christian, or Muslim. All you and I can do is disagree with that beleif.

[kainedamo]

If ya look at some pieces of the Old Testament, it encourages war.

But let's not get into it. It has no place in the current discussion.

[hippie_hunter]

If ya look at some pieces of the Old Testament, it encourages war.

But let's not get into it. It has no place in the current discussion.

But if you look at both Jewish and Christian scriptures you will see that many statements contradict each other.

[kainedamo]

Yep, that's true.

I just don't like religion. I know that there are alot of people in this world that think they need it, even athiests think that some people need religion. But I don't. You don't need it to tell you right from wrong. You don't need it to tell you how the world works. Religion can even be seen as harmful to the grieving process, because in the back of your mind you'll always think "I'll see them again some day". Religion encourages people to not think for themselves. What I mean is, I remember in religion class when I was a kid. Even then I could see all sorts of holes and contradictions. The religion teacher would sometimes just say "don't think about it too much". I'm pretty sure that my mother is of the belief that thinking about it too much is even blasphemous.

I don't know if the human race will one day be free of religion. I hope one day we will, because I really think it holds us back.

[Darthphere]

Yep, that's true.

I just don't like religion. I know that there are alot of people in this world that think they need it, even athiests think that some people need religion. But I don't. You don't need it to tell you right from wrong. You don't need it to tell you how the world works. Religion can even be seen as harmful to the grieving process, because in the back of your mind you'll always think "I'll see them again some day". Religion encourages people to not think for themselves. What I mean is, I remember in religion class when I was a kid. Even then I could see all sorts of holes and contradictions. The religion teacher would sometimes just say "don't think about it too much". I'm pretty sure that my mother is of the belief that thinking about it too much is even blasphemous.

I don't know if the human race will one day be free of religion. I hope one day we will, because I really think it holds us back.


Way to generalize. Just because you believe in religion doesnt mean you cant be free thinkers.

[kainedamo]

I didn't say that everyone that's religious isn't a free thinker.

I do think religion holds people back as far as free thinking goes though. Look at how many things religion tried to deny. Earth is not the centre of the universe. The world is not flat. It's impossible that the world could have been created in 7 days. This and many more.

[CapBeerCino]

I'm pretty sure that the entire western world would be all like "Hey!! France!! What the **** are you doing??" and the governemnts would be all over it.


Sure. Like they told France in the Rwanda genocide back in 94.

[hippie_hunter]

Yep, that's true.

I just don't like religion. I know that there are alot of people in this world that think they need it, even athiests think that some people need religion. But I don't. You don't need it to tell you right from wrong. You don't need it to tell you how the world works. Religion can even be seen as harmful to the grieving process, because in the back of your mind you'll always think "I'll see them again some day". Religion encourages people to not think for themselves. What I mean is, I remember in religion class when I was a kid. Even then I could see all sorts of holes and contradictions. The religion teacher would sometimes just say "don't think about it too much". I'm pretty sure that my mother is of the belief that thinking about it too much is even blasphemous.

I don't know if the human race will one day be free of religion. I hope one day we will, because I really think it holds us back.

I beleive that we as free thinkers have the right to choose in whatever we want to beleive in. I myself chose to go athiest. People choose to convert to Islam. I don't see religion as harmful. I see it as a way to give people a thing to beleive in. And giving people a thing to beleive in can be benficial. It can give them a purpose in life

[JLBats]

You're damn right I'm a war and hate monger! :mad:

A hatemonger against hippies and I prepare for war against them every single day of my life :mad:

We will not be getting along.

[hippie_hunter]

We will not be getting along.

But I like getting along with people :(

Except hippies :mad:

[JLBats]

But I like getting along with people :(

Except hippies :mad:

Therein lies the rub.

[deemar325]

What's the score!?

[iamcolossus]

Gaza belongs to Israel anyways! Let them take it back.

[iamcolossus]

I didn't say that everyone that's religious isn't a free thinker.

I do think religion holds people back as far as free thinking goes though. Look at how many things religion tried to deny. Earth is not the centre of the universe. The world is not flat. It's impossible that the world could have been created in 7 days. This and many more.

How is it impossible to create the world in 7 days?

[bored]

Given that it takes a major land mass an extended period of time to form, to assume that an entire planet could develop in a week is slightly farfetched if you don't believe a higher power did it.

[iamcolossus]

Well, I guess we will find out one day...

[hippie_hunter]

Gaza belongs to Israel anyways! Let them take it back.

The land belongs to both the Arabs and the Jews. Why should the Muslims be excluded from Palestine?

[iamcolossus]

Well, as a Christian I believe that the area belongs to Israel...that just what I believe.

[Cho Chang]

The land belongs to both the Arabs and the Jews. Why should the Muslims be excluded from Palestine? Obviously, because they're browner. :rolleyes:

[iamcolossus]

Obviously, because they're browner. :rolleyes:

hey...i'm down with the brown...

[Cho Chang]

hey...i'm down with the brown... Seriously, who do they think they are having those sweet tans and wanting land that rightly belongs to them. Off with their heads.

[hippie_hunter]

Well, as a Christian I believe that the area belongs to Israel...that just what I believe.

But you have to take into account that the land is not only holy to the Jews and the Christians. It is holy to the Muslims too. In this issue, I have to agree with kainedaimo (*gasp*), religion is the damper.

[iamcolossus]

to each his own

[hippie_hunter]

to each his own

With people with your attitude that the Jews deserve ALL of the land and with people with the attitude that the Muslims deserve ALL of the land, yes that is the reason why this conflict goes on. I am a full supporter of people with religous beleifs, as long as they show full support for my beleifs. But I think that we all have to be forced to admit that religion is the problem in this issue, while other "religious" conflicts such as Northern Ireland and India/Pakistan are based more on pathetic ignorance.

[iamcolossus]

With people with your attitude that the Jews deserve ALL of the land and with people with the attitude that the Muslims deserve ALL of the land, yes that is the reason why this conflict goes on. I am a full supporter of people with religous beleifs, as long as they show full support for my beleifs. But I think that we all have to be forced to admit that religion is the problem in this issue.

I don't think i have an attitude i just believe what i believe...and yes, religion is the driving force in this situation as it is in nearly all events in the middle east.

[JLBats]

Shoot em all and let God sort 'em out.

[bored]

Shoot em all and let God sort 'em out.


Eh, you do that and they'll just argue about how God sorts it out.

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think i have an attitude i just believe what i believe...and yes, religion is the driving force in this situation as it is in nearly all events in the middle east.

I don't mean attitude as in your personality, because you are not comming off as rude. What I mean in attitude is by your thinking.

It's thinking like that, that is the problem. Having one side have it all is an impossibility and both sides need to realise that.

[Edenbeast]

The reason why many Muslims support the Palestinians fully is because it is the place where Muhammad went to Heaven and received the Koran from Allah. That is the reason why Jerusalem is one of the holiest cities in Islam. And the place was conquered by the Muslims during the 6th Century.


Wrong, Muhammed didn't receive the Koran From God (Allah) on that night, He has been receiving it through the Archangel Gabriel before that very night he went up to God and was guided by Gabriel. Please get your facts straight before posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammed#Isra_and_Miraj

[hippie_hunter]

Wrong, Muhammed didn't receive the Koran From God (Allah) on that night, He has been receiving it through the Archangel Gabriel before that very night he went up to God and was guided by Gabriel. Please get your facts straight before posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammed#Isra_and_Miraj

A slight mistake. Okay, the main point was that the land is holy to the Muslims too. :mad:

[Gamma Ray]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/12/mideast/index.html

[Ronny Shade]

who's lebanon?

[Kaleb]

oh boy :(

[Gamma Ray]

oh boy :(


Lebanon started it!

[Kaleb]

why couldnt they just released the soldiers :( , I dont think Lebanon are in any position to start a fight .

[InsaneMembrane]

Israel released 420 prisoners for the bodies of Israeli soldiers before..hopefully they don't make that mistake again....

Israel withdraws from South Lebanon, South Lebanon is used to fire rockets ino Israel

Israel withdraws from Gaza, Gaza is used to fire rockets into Israel

...pattern?

I'm sure once Israel eventually withdraws from the West Bank the same thing will happen Hezbollah, Hamas and alot of Arabs in the region don't want a two state solution they just want the destruction of Israel.

Two soldiers taken from Israel proper by a force in the Lebanese Gov't is an act of war no ifs ands, or buts

[kane9321]

the worlds going to hell

[JLBats]

the worlds going to hell

And we're just sittin' here,
Spinnin' like we can't stop,
And maybe, just maybe,
We don't wanna

[bored]

It never ends.

[demento]

Hey, we should have a WWIII party!!

[Carter]

Who cares? Let the crazies kill each other.
Less trouble for me in the long run.

Good.

[phoenix_force]

cool i hope israel and lebanon wipe each other out

[Jolie_Desastre]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weeks

[Zaed]

i wonder at which point the US will be pulled into this one...

[JLBats]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weeks

Jolie:(

[Carter]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weeks


Damn, I take back what I said.
Get outta there:(

[Jolie_Desastre]

i'll be fine. i'm sure i'll be back and tell you guys all about it :D

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weekss***.
Nice choice of "vacation spot".
Next summer try the Deadly Disneyland rides.

[kane9321]

i'll be fine. i'm sure i'll be back and tell you guys all about it :D


mmm,arent there better places in the world to stay for a vacation?:eek:

[CapBeerCino]

I dont think Lebanon are in any position to start a fight .

Or to prevent it. Hezballah are calling the shots there.

[JLBats]

War, children, it's just a shot away.

[Cho Chang]

the worlds going to hell Just Israelis.

[Addendum]

Well, at least they waited till the World Cup was over

[bored]

Israel: "Okay, we're Zidane this time."

Lebanon: "Ohhh, but you're always Zidane!"

[celldog]

Israel released 420 prisoners for the bodies of Israeli soldiers before..hopefully they don't make that mistake again....

Israel withdraws from South Lebanon, South Lebanon is used to fire rockets ino Israel

Israel withdraws from Gaza, Gaza is used to fire rockets into Israel

...pattern?

I'm sure once Israel eventually withdraws from the West Bank the same thing will happen Hezbollah, Hamas and alot of Arabs in the region don't want a two state solution they just want the destruction of Israel.

Two soldiers taken from Israel proper by a force in the Lebanese Gov't is an act of war no ifs ands, or buts


That's it in a nut shell.

[Mr. Thing]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weeks

Oh god, run dammit, run! :(

[Kurosawa]

Israel released 420 prisoners for the bodies of Israeli soldiers before..hopefully they don't make that mistake again....

Israel withdraws from South Lebanon, South Lebanon is used to fire rockets ino Israel

Israel withdraws from Gaza, Gaza is used to fire rockets into Israel

...pattern?

I'm sure once Israel eventually withdraws from the West Bank the same thing will happen Hezbollah, Hamas and alot of Arabs in the region don't want a two state solution they just want the destruction of Israel.

Two soldiers taken from Israel proper by a force in the Lebanese Gov't is an act of war no ifs ands, or buts

All of that is true.

Isreal has released many of their prisoners over the years. Still, it never stops.

Isreal has made all sorts of concessions to them over the years. Still, it never stops.

Isreal gives them land back that they admittedly should not have taken in the first place. But still it never stops.

I don't blame Isreal one bit for what they do. They actually show quite a bit of restraint.

[celldog]

[B]Palestinian Schools: Breeding Grounds for Hate [/B
]By John Perazzo
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 10, 2002

HATRED IS NOT INBORN, BUT LEARNED. Because the architects of the Oslo peace accord understood this plain truth, they determined it essential for Jewish and Palestinian schools alike to teach their students, from an early age, values promoting mutual acceptance and respect. As an interim agreement between the two sides stated, "Israel and [the Palestinians] will ensure that their respective educational systems contribute to the peace . . . and will refrain from the introduction of any motifs that could adversely affect the process of reconciliation." Tragically, only the Israelis have abided by that agreement.

Since Oslo, Israeli schools have implemented a comprehensive "peace education" program that utilizes books encouraging students to accept and respect Arabs. Through stories and anecdotes, these books deplore prejudice. They present Arab traditions as admirable, and Arab people as good human beings whose hopes and dreams are very similar to those of their Jewish counterparts.

By contrast, Palestinian schools teach a form of anti-Jewish hatred and intolerance not unlike what was taught to German children during the Nazi era. For instance, ninth-grade Palestinian students study from official textbooks that assert, "Treachery and disloyalty are character traits of the Jews, and therefore one should beware of them." These books depict Jews as satanic, violent, "thieving conquerors" who have stolen Arab land and must be slaughtered.

Further, Palestinian textbooks glorify jihad and martyrdom as the only legitimate means to liberating "Palestine." Even children's poems are laced with calls to war. Fifth-graders memorize such lines as, "I shall take my soul in my hand and hurl it into the abyss of death." Sixth-graders read a story glorifying a young boy who is raised with "the love of jihad flowing through his veins and filling every fiber of his being"; a boy who experiences his greatest "joy" when he sees "the enemy lying dead" or "fleeing for their lives." An eighth-grade literary text denies any Jewish connection to the Western Wall, and teaches children to identify Muslim and Christian holy sites but completely omits any reference to Jewish sites.

The propaganda campaign is relentless. A fourth-grade religion book reads, "The Jews are enemies to the prophets and believers." According to an eighth-grade text, "Mankind has suffered from the yoke of racism at all times, because Satan has made their evil deeds seem beautiful...Such people are the Jews." In a book used by sixteen-year-olds, the Nazi Holocaust is depicted as a response to the Jewish people’s "greed and religious fanaticism." Still another volume suggests, "Perhaps Allah brought the Jews to our land, so their death would take place here, as it did in their wars with the Romans." These can hardly be mistaken for the words of a "peace curriculum."

Palestinian schoolbooks make no mention of the concept of peace with Israel, nor of the peace process initiated at Oslo. Indeed the Jerusalem Post reported in November 2001 that the word "peace" has entirely disappeared from these books. Moreover, the maps contained therein do not even acknowledge Israel’s existence, instead depicting "Palestine" as an Arab land stretching from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. The Palestinian "problem," students learn, is not Israel’ s control over the West Bank and Gaza, but Israel’s very existence. They are further taught that Jews are not only enemies of Islam, but constitute an illegitimate, foreign presence in the region. From the earliest age, children learn of their religious obligation to help drive out the infidels and reclaim "every centimeter" of "Palestine," the "stolen" land.

These anti-Jewish attitudes filter down from the very highest level of the Palestinian Authority. During a recent visit to a school for Palestinian girls, Yasser Arafat himself told the students of the glorious exploits of two female terrorists, Abir Wahidi and Dalal Magrabi; the latter not only participated in a deadly bus attack against Israelis, but further distinguished herself by snatching a Jewish baby from its mother and hurling it into the already burning bus.

It should also be noted that the lessons in hate extend beyond the classroom walls. Youth groups and summer camps run by the Palestinian Authority reinforce the anti-Jewish rhetoric of the schools. For instance, among the songs children learn at these camps are such classics as, "We’ll Throw Them into the Sea," "Revolution Until Victory," and "My Children in the Suicide Squads." Boys and girls as young as age six are trained in weapons handling and hand-to-hand combat. One videotaped camp activity aired on Palestinian television shows a group of youngsters joining with soldiers to sing the Palestinian national anthem. In the background is a huge mural of the Temple Mount, where Arab warriors on horseback prance proudly over a battlefield soaked in Jewish blood and strewn with Jewish skulls. Another video clip of camp life glorifies children who yell "commando" and then jump through a ring of fire.

Young Palestinian children are commonly used in demonstrations to address crowds with such rhetoric as "Death to the Jews" and "I will eat the flesh of the conquered." Palestinian schools often send their students on "field trips" where they participate in angry demonstrations against Israel, and the Palestinian Authority uses children’s television programs to disseminate fierce rhetorical calls to jihad against Jews.

All in all, Palestinian leadership has done a remarkably thorough job of violating its pledge to promote tolerance and respect. Thus it is no surprise that a seemingly endless parade of young people can hardly wait for the day when they, too, can walk into a crowded Jewish shop or café and blow themselves to smithereens.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
John Perazzo is the author of The Myths That Divide Us: How Lies Have Poisoned American Race Relations. For more information on his book, click here. E-mail him at wsbooks25@hotmail.com

[celldog]

I think the Israelis have been too patient.

[Sarge 2.0]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weeksCome back, Jolie. :(

[StorminNorman]

Where is TSOG when you need him?

[InsaneMembrane]

Where is TSOG when you need him?

It takes time to come up with conspiracy theories..don't rush him :o

[Mr Sparkle]

s***.
Nice choice of "vacation spot".
Next summer try the Deadly Disneyland rides.

I'm sure Newark is lovely this time of year

[Mr Sparkle]

I think the Israelis have been too patient.

I think you're TOO uninformed, TOO biased and TOO blind to see the obvious.

[CapBeerCino]

Israel: "Okay, we're Zidane this time."

Lebanon: "Ohhh, but you're always Zidane!"

Funny? :confused:

All of that is true.

Isreal has released many of their prisoners over the years. Still, it never stops.

Isreal has made all sorts of concessions to them over the years. Still, it never stops.

Isreal gives them land back that they admittedly should not have taken in the first place. But still it never stops.

I don't blame Isreal one bit for what they do. They actually show quite a bit of restraint.

True.

Come back, Jolie. :(

That might be hard with the airport in Beirut out of order...

[War Lord]

That might be hard with the airport in Beirut out of order...

She can walk and swim.

[Tangled Web]

I'm rooting for Israel.

[Kaleb]

oh man Isreal are really sticking it to Lebanon .

[celldog]

I think you're TOO uninformed, TOO biased and TOO blind to see the obvious.


And you're not???? LOL

[Comicfilmer]

Go Israel! Knock'em out the box!

[Mr Sparkle]

And you're not???? LOL

nope. :)

[War Lord]

This is going to be interesting.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1150885988710&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Hizbullah wants soldiers moved to Iran
By YAAKOV KATZ

Israel has information that Hizbullah guerrillas who captured two Israeli soldiers are trying to transfer them to Iran, Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said.

Regev did not disclose the source of his information.

The IDF released the names of the two soldiers on Thursday. According to the IDF Spokesperson, the two reserve are Ehud Goldwasser, 31, from Nahariya, and Eldad Regev, 26, from Kiryat Motzkin.

Hizbullah guerrillas, who are backed by Iran, seized the soldiers Wednesday in a cross-border raid.

OC Northern Command Lt.-Gen. Udi Adam said Thursday evening that the army has hit hundreds of targets in Lebanon since Wednesday night.

Adam added that Israel has not ruled out sending ground forces into Lebanon. He told reporters that even Northern Command had come under Katyusha fire during the day.

"I imagine over time that we will be able to rid ourselves of this threat entirely," he said.

Earlier in the day, IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Dan Halutz confirmed Thursday that the soldiers who had been kidnapped by Hizbullah a day before were still alive.

"We know the soldiers are alive and we hold the Lebanese government completey responsible," he said during a tour of the North.

Israel was not at war with Lebanon but at a "high volume crisis," he added.

He said that a new reality has been created on the northern border that started yesterday with the deaths of eight soldiers.

The focus of the operation in Lebanon would be to restore Israel's deterrent capability against those in Lebanon, referring to Hizbullah, who thought the IDF was irrelevant, he explained.

"The goal is to create a new reality in the north," Halutz told reporters, "Such attacks will not be tolerated."

Halutz said the north was well protected by shelters but he could not guarantee that Israeli civilians would not be harmed during the current campaign in Lebanon.

He also revealed that OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Udi Adam had set up an investigative committee into Wednesday's kidnapping, which would be headed by a major general.

[Mr Sparkle]

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Israel blockaded Lebanese ports and struck Beirut airport and two military airbases on Thursday, expanding reprisals that have killed 53 civilians in Lebanon since Hizbollah captured two Israeli soldiers a day earlier.

Hizbollah fighters rained more than 80 rockets on northern Israel in their heaviest bombardment in a decade, hitting Israel's third largest city, Haifa, the Israeli army said.

There were no immediate reports of casualties in Haifa, a major port of 250,000 people. One woman was killed and 43 people wounded in the other rocket attacks, Israeli medics said.

The violence was the fiercest since 1996 when Israeli troops still occupied part of south Lebanon. It coincided with a major Israeli offensive into the Gaza Strip to try to retrieve a captured soldier and halt Palestinian rocket fire.

President Bush voiced concern about the fate of Lebanon's anti-Syrian government, but offered no direct criticism of the punishment Israel is meting out.

"Israel has the right to defend herself," he said in Germany. "Secondly, whatever Israel does should not weaken the ... government in Lebanon."

Sustained air strikes in south Lebanon killed over 50 civilians and wounded 110 people, security sources said. Ten family members were killed in Dweir village and seven family members died in Baflay. A Lebanese soldier was also killed.

Information Minister Ghazi al-Aridi said after an emergency cabinet meeting that Lebanon wanted a comprehensive ceasefire and an end to "this open-ended aggression" by Israel.

[Alonsovich]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weeks

If you see someone shooting at you try to use bullet-time...:o :up:

[lazur]

Israel is attacking Lebanon right now. The two Israeli soldiers who were kidnapped may have been taken into Iran.

If Israel learns that Iran is assisting Hezbollah, and Israel attacks Iran as a result, this will most likely cause Russia and possibly even China to step in.

If that happens, it's the beginning of the end.

Source, though it's breaking everywhere: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,203253,00.html

[lazur]

Crap, didn't see the other thread on this on page 2. Ignore if you want or comment on the possibility of the beginning of WWIII.

[JLBats]

Uh boy.

[celldog]

nope. :)


http://vcard.homer-simpson.de/images/homer/pic19.jpg

"That's funny!"

[JLBats]

http://vcard.homer-simpson.de/images/homer/pic19.jpg

"That's funny!"

Matt Groening is not a big fan of you:(

[Superman]

This could get ugly. :(

[bored]

Mr. Thing vs. celldog or the beginnings of WW3 in the Middle East?

[Mr Sparkle]

http://vcard.homer-simpson.de/images/homer/pic19.jpg

"That's funny!"


http://vcard.homer-simpson.de/images/homer/pic19.jpg


"It is!"

:confused::up:

[Mr. Thing]

Mr. Thing vs. celldog or the beginnings of WW3 in the Middle East?

Wha? :confused:

[JLBats]

http://vcard.homer-simpson.de/images/homer/pic19.jpg


"It is!"

:confused::up:


celldog likes to post pictures of characters who function as satire of conservatism, which is odd.

[Mr Sparkle]

c'mon dwarf lord, you know you want to post, doesn't this thread and the Valerie Plame thread look liberal-bash-tastic?

[InsaneMembrane]

c'mon dwarf lord, you know you want to post, doesn't this thread and the Valerie Plame thread look liberal-bash-tastic?

:rolleyes:

You are the only one derailing the thread...you made a useless post and celldog responded in kind....

[Addendum]

http://www.steliasguides.com/gallery/hist_20.jpg
Yay for derailed threads!!http://www.websmileys.com/sm/crazy/1148.gif

[Mr Sparkle]

:rolleyes:

You are the only one derailing the thread...you made a useless post and celldog responded in kind....


LOL, you need to catch up on ya reading skills there sport:):up:
careful when you post, you might end up looking stupid.

from my post:

BEIRUT (Reuters) - Israel blockaded Lebanese ports and struck Beirut airport and two military airbases on Thursday, expanding reprisals that have killed 53 civilians in Lebanon since Hizbollah captured two Israeli soldiers a day earlier.

Hizbollah fighters rained more than 80 rockets on northern Israel in their heaviest bombardment in a decade, hitting Israel's third largest city, Haifa, the Israeli army said.

There were no immediate reports of casualties in Haifa, a major port of 250,000 people. One woman was killed and 43 people wounded in the other rocket attacks, Israeli medics said.

The violence was the fiercest since 1996 when Israeli troops still occupied part of south Lebanon. It coincided with a major Israeli offensive into the Gaza Strip to try to retrieve a captured soldier and halt Palestinian rocket fire.

President Bush voiced concern about the fate of Lebanon's anti-Syrian government, but offered no direct criticism of the punishment Israel is meting out.

"Israel has the right to defend herself," he said in Germany. "Secondly, whatever Israel does should not weaken the ... government in Lebanon."

Sustained air strikes in south Lebanon killed over 50 civilians and wounded 110 people, security sources said. Ten family members were killed in Dweir village and seven family members died in Baflay. A Lebanese soldier was also killed.

Information Minister Ghazi al-Aridi said after an emergency cabinet meeting that Lebanon wanted a comprehensive ceasefire and an end to "this open-ended aggression" by Israel.


yeah, I can totally see how someone like you would find that useless:up:

[Gonking]

I can't understand why attack two countries just because they kidnaped three soldiers. It's crazy.

[Gamma Ray]

I can't understand why attack two countries just because they kidnaped three soldiers. It's crazy.


It's an act of war.

[Mr Sparkle]

It's an act of war.

who kidnapped the soldiers? the lebanon governement?

[Gamma Ray]

They are being held by the Lebanese.

[Mr Sparkle]

They are being held by the Lebanese.

a government sanctioned group of lebanese civillians? an elite faction of the lebanese Army?

[Gamma Ray]

a government sanctioned group of lebanese civillians? an elite faction of the lebanese Army?


It doesn't matter. Terrorists within the country are holding them and Lebanon isn't doing anything about it. They're just attacking Israeli cities...

[InsaneMembrane]

I think you're TOO uninformed, TOO biased and TOO blind to see the obvious.

Yep you're right sport, wasn't refering to this at all :rolleyes:

And Hezbollah is an organization that is part of the ruling coalition of the Lebanese government... who have called them a justfied resistance group...but I'm sure you know that...

[Mr Sparkle]

Yep you're right sport, wasn't refering to this at all :rolleyes:

And Hezbollah is an organization that is part of the ruling coalition of the Lebanese government... who have called them a justfied resistance group...but I'm sure you know that...


LOL. why do you even bother? It seems like I WAS RESPONDING TO A USELESS POST doesn't it?
specially to those versed in, uh, logic.
secondly how does this tripe:

"And Hezbollah is an organization that is part of the ruling coalition of the Lebanese government... who have called them a justfied resistance group...but I'm sure you know that"

adress or refute ANY part of my post (the one with the news on it)?
I'm sure you must know that!

:rolleyes: infinity plus one.

[Mr Sparkle]

It doesn't matter. Terrorists within the country are holding them and Lebanon isn't doing anything about it. They're just attacking Israeli cities...

so then, the fact that these people kidnapped a soldier is bad right?
so, how about that time Israel scudded the hell out of that beach and later claimed "uh, oh, accident!"

[InsaneMembrane]

a government sanctioned group of lebanese civillians? an elite faction of the lebanese Army?

"And Hezbollah is an organization that is part of the ruling coalition of the Lebanese government... who have called them a justfied resistance group...but I'm sure you know that"

make more sense....

You made a useless post in reference to celldog who then went off on a tangent...one post quoting a news sources doesn't negate the fact that most of your other posts have been useless

[Mr Sparkle]

"And Hezbollah is an organization that is part of the ruling coalition of the Lebanese government... who have called them a justfied resistance group...but I'm sure you know that"

make more sense....

You made a useless post in reference to celldog who then went off on a tangent...one post quoting a news sources doesn't negate the fact that most of your other posts have been useless


LOL, you mean my conversation WITH GAMMA RAY! ha! sure. :up:
again, what "part" of the government is Hizbollah?
how many seats does it hold, is it universsally loved in Lebanon and other countries? why?
see by this point you have gone a took it personal. too bad for you.
not everyone sees things in black and white and devoid of context.

some of us know some history :up:

[Gonking]

It doesn't matter. Terrorists within the country are holding them and Lebanon isn't doing anything about it. They're just attacking Israeli cities...

and what is doing Israel? the Israel Government is the really terrorist.

[InsaneMembrane]

LOL, you mean my conversation WITH GAMMA RAY! ha! sure. :up:
again, what "part" of the government is Hizbollah?
how many seats does it hold, is it universsally loved in Lebanon and other countries? why?
see by this point you have gone a took it personal. too bad for you.
not everyone sees things in black and white and devoid of context.

some of us know some history :up:

It holds 14 seats out of 128 in parliament... and therefore is the one of the largest parties in Lebanon.. it has two ministers in the government

Are republicans universarly loved? Doesn't make them any less of a legitimate part of the Government

apparently not you :up:

Edit: missed the "why?"

Hezbollah or "Party of God" is a Shia militant group formed in the 80's to end the occupation of Israel in Southern Lebanaon.... At first they advocated an Islamic state but have dropped that saying the time isn't right. They are seen as a legitimate resistance group around the Arab world as opposed to a terrorist group which is the opinion of the EU, US and Israel. Most of it popularity in Lebanon comes from the fact they are viewed as ending the Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon so it enjoys support from even non-shias but because of the Taef aggreement they are legally required to disarm but the Lebanese government has refused to do so saying that they are a legitimate resistance force resisting Israeli occupation of the Shebaa farms which is internationally recognized as Syrian... Most people agree they get their funding from Iran. They also operate as civilian wing which runs schools, hospitals, tv stations etc similar to Hamas

[Gamma Ray]

and what is doing Israel? the Israel Government is the really terrorist.

LOL! And let me guess, the Arabs who blow themselves up in pizza shops and crowded streets and buses are the resistance fighters?

Did you register here to spread your anti-Semitism?

[Gonking]

LOL! And let me guess, the Arabs who blow themselves up in pizza shops and crowded streets and buses are the resistance fighters?

Did you register here to spread your anti-Semitism?

I'm not anti-semitist, I'm anti-governments that attack other countries without any significant reason.

I'm not agree with the actions of the islamic yihad, Hamas and Al Qaeda but I'm not either agree with the constants attacks of Israel in Palestine.

Please, open your mind. Not everybody who critics how is handling Israel the situation in middle east are anti-semitist.

[Cho Chang]

LOL! And let me guess, the Arabs who blow themselves up in pizza shops and crowded streets and buses are the resistance fighters?

Did you register here to spread your anti-Semitism? Anti-semitism. Wow, that's an easy one to hide behind isn't it?

[Addendum]

So "Anti-Semitism" now means "criticizing the Israeli government"

...makes notation in the re-written dictionary...

[Iceman]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/12/mideast/index.htmlThis whole mess is getting a bit worrying now.

[Alonsovich]

I've said it a lot of times and will say it again... that region has been the cancer of this world since more than 2000 years ago. Each year they're killing themselves for whatever s**t reason. We shouldn't care anymore about them. It's their choice to destroy themselves. So be it...

[Iceman]

I've said it a lot of times and will say it again... that region has been the cancer of this world since more than 2000 years ago. Each year they're killing themselves for whatever s**t reason. We shouldn't care anymore about them. It's their choice to destroy themselves. So be it...The problem will be if the conflict continues to escalate in intensity and spills over into other countries.

[Darthphere]

Have any Captain America pics been posted?

[Tangled Web]

Yes.

[Darthphere]

Crazy, I saw celldog posted so I had to ask.

[Addendum]

http://64.23.98.142/indy/winter_2005/kartalopoulos/images/uncle_sam.jpg

[JLBats]

SumofGod was right.

[Darthphere]

SumofGod was right.


:eek: :eek: :eek:

[JLBats]

This is basically exactly what he predicted, except he threw in all of Israel being destroyed. I'm SCARED right now.

Was he right?

[JLBats]

The fact that Hezbollah is denying the rocket attacks creeps me out even more. Are they really the ones firing the rockets?

[Strange]

It's the end of the world get out your bible and start thumping.

[Flexo]

This is basically exactly what he predicted, except he threw in all of Israel being destroyed. I'm SCARED right now.

Was he right?

He said it'd be destroyed, most likely, by nukes.

:eek:

[Addendum]

I'm reading "The Collected Tales and Poems of Edgar Allan Poe".

Much better reading than the bible

[JLBats]

It just seems eerie that Sum would predict the destruction of Israel, and now Israel is involved in a major conflict, escalating into a war, with Iran being thrown around as possibly involved in some way, shape or form.

Enough to make me shiver at least.

[Flexo]

It just seems eerie that Sum would predict the destruction of Israel, and now Israel is involved in a major conflict, escalating into a war, with Iran being thrown around as possibly involved in some way, shape or form.

Enough to make me shiver at least.

I know... TSOG being right.

The end is extremely ******* nigh!

[JLBats]

Someone assuage my fears...

Whatever assuage means. It reads like "ass wodge" though, which is hilarious, which does slightly calm my fear.

[Darthphere]

Someone assuage my fears...

Whatever assuage means. It reads like "ass wodge" though, which is hilarious, which does slightly calm my fear.


I thought you said sausage.

[JLBats]

I thought you said sausage.

Oh man, you don't want to ass wodge a sausage. No fun at all.

[Alonsovich]

SumofGod was right.

It's not so difficult to predict concerning the Middle East anyway...

[Addendum]

Perhaps TSOG is taking printout of his posts around to various Canadian talk shows or news stations in an attempt to show he's right, but instead facing the realization that no one really cares what is said on an internet message board.

Unless it's about what's in Spidey's eye, what's in Spidey's hand, or what drug were the makers of the new Green Goblin costume taking when they designed it

[celldog]

Crazy, I saw celldog posted so I had to ask.

This Bud's for you, Darth.......
http://www.ultimateart.com/SteveKaufman/CaptainAmerica/CaptainAmerica.gif

[Tangled Web]

celldog, do you like the site called conservative-kids?

[Darthphere]

celldog, do you like the site called conservative-kids?


LMAO!:up:

[JLBats]

celldog, do you like the site called conservative-kids?

He's a big fan.

[Tangled Web]

I ****ing E-Mailed that little conservative and she E-Mailed me back saying that she'll reply shortly.

[Hobgoblin]

It just seems eerie that Sum would predict the destruction of Israel, and now Israel is involved in a major conflict, escalating into a war, with Iran being thrown around as possibly involved in some way, shape or form.

Enough to make me shiver at least.

I had the same reaction. I have no idea whether of not to beleive TSOG and his prediction that Israel gets destroyed on the 6th of next month, but it was the first thing that I thought of when I heard the Israeli PM call the kinapping of the two soldiers an "act of war."

Predictions aside, neither Israel or Hezbollah are relenting in their attacks. An Israeli diplomat called the 100+ rocket attack on northern Israel a "major escalation." :( :down

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/13/mideast/index.html

[JLBats]

Yeah, colour me uncertain.

[X-Ray]

I guess you guys know how my summer vacation in Lebanon is going now :O

nvm about that, it's really weird, i've been here about 3 weeks, leaving in 2, and suddenly i wake up to gun shots and screaming. ofcourse i'm in the middle east so i really didn't take any notice ;)until i watched the news and well....hope to see you guys in two weeks

Damn! If **** gets any worse I hear the US military, possibly the Marines ... hell it's always the Marines :cool:, might come in to pick up all 25,000 americans there. That's hope it doesn't get to the point.

I can't understand why attack two countries just because they kidnaped three soldiers. It's crazy.

Yah tell me about it. These 3 must freakin' 10 star generals or something to take **** this far.

[Hobgoblin]

Yah tell me about it. These 3 must freakin' 10 star generals or something to take **** this far.

Thats what I ws thinking. They are losing several soldiers and killing dozens of Lebanese....for two soldiers (that may well be dead already)? :confused: Someone explain that math to me.

[Dark Vigilante]

This is a mess. The steps Israel has taken (disabling Beirut international airport, eliminating highway routes leaving the country) point to the beginning phases of a invasion of the country. Although it isn't pretty, it is justifiable.

The Israelis deserve applaud for their patience since the signing of the Oslo Peace Accords. The Israeli's have made a lot of unfair compromises and concessions to the Palestinians as well as the Lebanese in the hopes of preventing further violence. The Palestinians and the Lebanese on the other hand, have pushed Israel further and further in the path it has seemingly taken. With Hamas democratically taking power in Palestine, and with rocket attacks from both Gaza and Southern Lebanon, it was only a matter of time before one event would break the Israeli's patience, and that event has occured.


Israel's handling of Lebanon or Palestine doesn't worry me. What scares me is the possible outcomes of a military conflict between Israel and Iran. If Iran is directly linked to this Hezbollah kidnapping, this means probable if not definite Israeli military action against Iran. If this happens, things will get really ugly. Iran is the primary oil supplier to Russia, and also a major exporter of oil to China. The cozy relationship between Russia and Iran is just as cozy, if not more cozy, then the relationship between the United States and Saudi Arabia. What would the United States do if Saudi Arabia were to be attacked by a major military force? It would protect it's interests in Saudi Arabia, as it is critical to the U.S. economy. This is the same relationship between Russia and Iran. While Russia probably wouldn't throw itself into the middle of a conflict between Iran and Israel, it would definitly bring it's case to the United Nations, and there is no way the United States is going to chose Iran over Israel, or even Russia over Israel. In that situation, Russia may then involve itself militarily.

This would have the full potential of being the beginning of the end. Lets pray that this situation doesnt escalate further than it already has and that diplomacy prevails.

[Gamma Ray]

TSOG must be giddy about this. I hope it stops soon.

[Gamma Ray]

This would have the full potential of being the beginning of the end. Lets pray that this situation doesnt escalate further than it already has and that diplomacy prevails.


Every generation has potential "end of the world" scenarios. The generation before me went to bed worried about Cuba. The generation before that had WW2 to deal with.

The world isn't going to end.

[JLBats]

Every generation has potential "end of the world" scenarios. The generation before me went to bed worried about Cuba. The generation before that had WW2 to deal with.

The world isn't going to end.

War, children. It's just a shot away.

[CapBeerCino]

Yah tell me about it. These 3 must freakin' 10 star generals or something to take **** this far.

Hu? What a load... Hezbollah killed 8 soliders and kidnapped two from within Israel borders (and that' after the israeli pull back from south Lebanon) what would you do?

TSOG must be giddy about this. I hope it stops soon.

I didn't read what he said to get you all scared, but predicting troubles in the middle east? Big furry deal...

[Gamma Ray]

He predicted the start of WW3 beginning with the bombing of Israel by Iran. He even gave a date of August 5th or 6th...

[bored]

This situation gets worse and worse every time I hear something about it.

[Childlike Wild]

Thats what I ws thinking. They are losing several soldiers and killing dozens of Lebanese....for two soldiers (that may well be dead already)? :confused: Someone explain that math to me.
It's not about "an eye for an eye." Israel requires citizens to serve as soldiers, and in return it has to be willing to actually fight for its people. The population can't (and won't) tolerate the kidnapping of IDF soldiers. It won't tolerate the terrorists who commit such acts, and it won't tolerate the people who blatantly help them.

That said, they've dropped leaflets on neighborhoods to warn civilians away from planned targets. The intention is to hinder the attackers' ability to move and operate. Civilians themselves are not what Israel seeks to destroy.

[InsaneMembrane]

Israel actually only has four Lebanese citizens in Israeli jails I say this because that's one of the excuses Hezbollah is using for the kidnapping

Their names are:

Samir Quntar

Nasim Nisr

Mohammad Farran

Yehya Skaff

http://www.albaladonline.com/new/print.php?sid=110007

Just as a piece of information. got it from http://www.lebanese-forces.org/vbullet/forumdisplay.php?f=18

[Gamma Ray]

Israel freed hundreds of prisoners before with no results. You can't win with these people. War really is the only solution.

[Mr Sparkle]

It holds 14 seats out of 128 in parliament... and therefore is the one of the largest parties in Lebanon.. it has two ministers in the government

Are republicans universarly loved? Doesn't make them any less of a legitimate part of the Government

apparently not you :up:

Edit: missed the "why?"

Hezbollah or "Party of God" is a Shia militant group formed in the 80's to end the occupation of Israel in Southern Lebanaon.... At first they advocated an Islamic state but have dropped that saying the time isn't right. They are seen as a legitimate resistance group around the Arab world as opposed to a terrorist group which is the opinion of the EU, US and Israel. Most of it popularity in Lebanon comes from the fact they are viewed as ending the Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon so it enjoys support from even non-shias but because of the Taef aggreement they are legally required to disarm but the Lebanese government has refused to do so saying that they are a legitimate resistance force resisting Israeli occupation of the Shebaa farms which is internationally recognized as Syrian... Most people agree they get their funding from Iran. They also operate as civilian wing which runs schools, hospitals, tv stations etc similar to Hamas


Ha! yeah, nice way of saying that they indeed hold 14 out of 128 seats in the governement, regardless of the size of their party, that number alone speaks volumes.

regardless, you neatly sidestepped the point of the question, if an ultra conservative wing of the governement of the US kidnapped a Korean citizen it would be stupid to declare war on the US.
simple, this is a strongarm routine.
however I do Loooooove the copy and paste routine nice to see you're unable to hold down the fort without the trusty Ctrl+V
of course you missed some stuff, and you OBVIOUSLY know **** all about the history of the region, see? it's sad when you get the slanted info like that because people that actually know what has been hapenning can see through you like vellum.

so once again, playin the tough guy on a messageboard yields little result with me sport. like I said, I didn't just recently become interested in politics and history.

again :rolleyes: infity plus one :up:


edit: nice to see how AGAIN no one dared to touch the beach massacre. sure, kill a few sunbathers no prob rght? some of the where probably potential terrorists.

[Gamma Ray]

It wasn't a massacre. I'm sure your pro-Palestine sites made it out to be more than it was. And if they did bomb a beach, it was probably accidental. And if it wasn't, then they were probably warned prior to the bombing.

[InsaneMembrane]

Ha! yeah, nice way of saying that they indeed hold 14 out of 128 seats in the governement, regardless of the size of their party, that number alone speaks volumes.

regardless, you neatly sidestepped the point of the question, if an ultra conservative wing of the governement of the US kidnapped a Korean citizen it would be stupid to declare war on the US.
simple, this is a strongarm routine.
however I do Loooooove the copy and paste routine nice to see you're unable to hold down the fort without the trusty Ctrl+V
of course you missed some stuff, and you OBVIOUSLY know **** all about the history of the region, see? it's sad when you get the slanted info like that because people that actually know what has been hapenning can see through you like vellum.

so once again, playin the tough guy on a messageboard yields little result with me sport. like I said, I didn't just recently become interested in politics and history.

again :rolleyes: infity plus one :up:


edit: nice to see how AGAIN no one dared to touch the beach massacre. sure, kill a few sunbathers no prob rght? some of the where probably potential terrorists.

I'm going to go through this slowly sport..

Lebanese parties run in specific areas and in coalitions such as the "March 14" coalition, parties don't get majority seats their coalition does, so the fact that Hezbollah achieved 14 seats means they are actually very popular :rolleyes:

I didn't copy and paste anything sport but nice try.

The Beach massacre? You mean the one which has been disputed Israel says it didn't do it the Palestinians said they did.. like the Israelis massacred the in Jenin...

No I'm sure you've been talking out of your ass for awhile now...

[Mr Sparkle]

It wasn't a massacre. I'm sure your pro-Palestine sites made it out to be more than it was. And if they did bomb a beach, it was probably accidental. And if it wasn't, then they were probably warned prior to the bombing.

ahahahahaha you are a fool :up:
in other words, when THEY (the evil non-israel types) it's terrorism
when Israel does it, it "probably"wasn't that bad.

oh, and that "pro-palestine"site of mine.

it was the BBC news, damn their anti-semitic hearts!!!!

[Mr Sparkle]

I'm going to go through this slowly sport..

Lebanese parties run in specific areas and in coalitions such as the "March 14" coalition, parties don't get majority seats their coalition does, so the fact that Hezbollah achieved 14 seats means they are actually very popular :rolleyes:

I didn't copy and paste anything sport but nice try.

The Beach massacre? The one Israel investigated and was cleared off , the results of that investigation has not been disputed by third parties...or are you refering to something

No I'm sure you've been talking out of your ass for awhile now...


ahahahahahahaha! another great excersice in sidestepping, maybe you should go "slowly"though the numbers and see if in some magical world 14 out of a 128 is somehow a significant majority.
I'm not saying that they are saints, not by a long shot, but your slanted bull**** mentality is the bane of my existence, this is not a basketball game stop it with the teams junior, you look like a little kid.
oh, and I find it all kinds of humorous that Israel investigated an Israeli bimbong and cleared itself of wrongdoing.

LOL, I'm sure you missed the irony there. but look at your sentence "slowly" you'll catch on, have a merry Christmas!

[InsaneMembrane]

ahahahahahahaha! another great excersice in sidestepping, maybe you should go "slowly"though the numbers and see if in some magical world 14 out of a 128 is somehow a significant majority.
I'm not saying that they are saints, not by a long shot, but your slanted bull**** mentality is the bane of my existence, this is not a basketball game stop it with the teams junior, you look like a little kid.
oh, and I find it all kinds of humorous that Israel investigated an Israeli bimbong and cleared itself of wrongdoing.

LOL, I'm sure you missed the irony there. but look at your sentence "slowly" you'll catch on, have a merry Christmas!

My fault English is my second Language... next time I'll take tips from you since you are "universsally" versed in all things English

The only one sidestepping is you, No one claimed they are majority but they are still a part of the legitimate Lebanese government...their armed has been in control of the Southern Lebanon for six years now without interference of the "army" so either Southern Lebanon is a lawless land which the government has no control over or the government has give the military wing of Hezbollah it's permission to act....

Neither of these two sides are saints no ****ing kidding.. Some of those Israeli settlements are just land grabs which I don't agree with but that has nothing to do with Lebanon whose government is responsible for what happens on its borders

And a Happy Hannukkah :up:

[Batman1939]

Go Lebanon!

[Mr Sparkle]

My fault English is my second Language... next time I'll take tips from you since you are "universsally" versed in all things English

The only one sidestepping is you, No one claimed they are majority but they are still a part of the legitimate Lebanese government...their armed has been in control of the Southern Lebanon for six years now without interference of the "army" so either Southern Lebanon is a lawless land which the government has no control over or the government has give the military wing of Hezbollah it's permission to act....

Neither of these two sides are saints no ****ing kidding.. Some of those Israeli settlements are just land grabbs which I don't agree with but that has nothing to do with Lebanon whose government is responsible for what happens on its borders

And a Happy Hannukkah :up:

LOL, actually it's my second language as well, see? common ground, if we can mend fences , then perhaps there is hope for the world.

the Lebanese government is a tough spot, and if you chill out and rest a sec you'd draw pararells to the US and see that it sounds nutty.
see some members of the democratic and Republican party have ties to extremists like the Ku Klux Klan, if they did something nutty to another country any declaration of war would seen unnecessary.

the bad blood between Israel and it's neighbours is not from the 80's it's from far before that, and sadly the Israelis are not devoid of fault.
a lot of people call the Arab factions "terrorists"(and most are) but takle a look at the reactions of Joe Sixpack after 9-11 most said "nuke them all" so it's easy to see how offenses can be used to mobilize people.

all causes and people get corrupted, all!

to so easily dismiss Israel's involvement in the killing of civillians is plain wrong, how can we be here talking about how a kidnapped soldier justifies a city blockade, yet a beach massacre ( it was that, a massacre) is so easily set aside.

to fix the problem a problem must be located. not fabricated to suit one's view.

oh, and I'm an atheist in that I don't go for organized religion, but I love me some Jewish girls.:up:

[Darkdd]

OMG!This thing is pushing light sweet crude past $78/barrel.I hope we have no hurricanes during this,cuz that would suck.

[InsaneMembrane]

LOL, actually it's my second language as well, see? common ground, if we can mend fences , then perhaps there is hope for the world.

the Lebanese government is a tough spot, and if you chill out and rest a sec you'd draw pararells to the US and see that it sounds nutty.
see some members of the democratic and Republican party have ties to extremists like the Ku Klux Klan, if they did something nutty to another country any declaration of war would seen unnucessary.

the bad blood between Israel and it's neighbours is not from the 80's it's from far before that, and sadly the Israelis are not davoid of fault.
a lot of people call the Arab factions "terrorists"(and most are) but takle a look at the reactions of Joe Sixpack after 9-11 most said "nuke them all" so it's easy to see how offenses can be used to mobilize people.

all causes and people get corrupted, all!

to so easily dismiss Israel's involvement in the killing of civillians is plain wrong, how can we be here talking about how a kidnapped soldier justifies a city blockade, yet a beach massacre ( it was that, a massacre) is so easily set aside.

to fix the problem a problem must be located. not fabricated to suit one's view.

oh, and I'm an atheist in that I don't go for organized religion, but I love me some Jewish girls.:up:

Yeah I admit I was a bit "hysterical"... friends (or not enemies) ?

I am actually informed on this topic it wasn't copy and paste ;)... , when I mentioned the 80's I specifically talking about the formation of Hezbollah and I know their were other factors in their formation such as the margilization of the Shia in Lebanon I was giving background on Hezbollah not the Arab-Israeli conflict in general which as you said has been going on for a while now and has no saints on either side

I just think that most Israelis have come to accept that the Palestinians are going to get a state wheter they like it or not ...and the Palestinians deserve it...the cause is noble(a two-state solution) but you have groups like Hamas who say all of Israel belongs to Islam and they therefore cannot stop fighting Israel till it is destroyed...who then can Israel negotitiate with, Fatah doesn't represent the majority of Palestinians anymore...

I think the difference is that the Government of the US would be able to find and punish members of the KKK while the Lebanese gov't is unable or unwilling to do so... so either you have the State of Hezbollah within Lebanon and a completely inept governmentwho can't control is own country or you have an armed group which is working for the with the atleast tacit support of the Government...

The Beach massacre could easily be the Israeli's fault and I would condemn them for it but what I was trying to say (but came off badly) is that it is disputed so I can't condemn Israel for something it may have done and it Israel's credit it usually claims it's attack no matter the outcome...

I'm not jewish we were discussing Israel so I threw it in, though a nice atheist boy would piss my parents off :up:

[Mr Sparkle]

:up:

[War Lord]

c'mon dwarf lord, you know you want to post, doesn't this thread and the Valerie Plame thread look liberal-bash-tastic?

I don't know if you were referring to me or not, but I've been at work since 12pm yesterday afternoon.

[War Lord]

a government sanctioned group of lebanese civillians? an elite faction of the lebanese Army?

In that part of the world, if it's done by a terrorist organization, it's pretty much government sanctioned.

[Darkdd]

Wow.All major stocks are down around the world due to this.I dont remember the last time i saw a green arrow.

[Phaser]

Wow.All major stocks are down around the world due to this.I dont remember the last time i saw a green arrow.

That's because you don't read enough comic books. :o

http://www.parquegotico.com/images/viene/0201/green%20arrow%2011.jpg

[Darkdd]

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!:D
You couldn't resist could you.

[lazur]

ahahahahaha you are a fool :up:
in other words, when THEY (the evil non-israel types) it's terrorism
when Israel does it, it "probably"wasn't that bad.

oh, and that "pro-palestine"site of mine.

it was the BBC news, damn their anti-semitic hearts!!!!

As I understand it, historically Israel only retailiates to prevent further attacks. In this case, three Israeli soldiers were kidnapped INSIDE Israeli territory. That is an act of war, no different than if China came to the U.S. illegally and kidnapped some of our soldiers.

I'm not getting why you have so much hate for Israel, I guess?

[Gonking]

I'm reading "The Collected Tales and Poems of Edgar Allan Poe".

Much better reading than the bible

I reading the last book of Harry Potter and it's good fiction and the autor has a lot of imagination, just like the gospels and the bible but more fun. :p

[Gonking]

Israel freed hundreds of prisoners before with no results. You can't win with these people. War really is the only solution.

are you crazy?. Negotiate and talk, this are the solutions. Why they always have to kill each other to solve problems. You are talking like Bush. War is never a solution, it always generates more troubles and hate.

[Mr Sparkle]

As I understand it, historically Israel only retailiates to prevent further attacks. In this case, three Israeli soldiers were kidnapped INSIDE Israeli territory. That is an act of war, no different than if China came to the U.S. illegally and kidnapped some of our soldiers.

I'm not getting why you have so much hate for Israel, I guess?


dude, like I said, there's far more to it, I don't have any Hate for Israel at all.
I already put forth a comparison about extremists in the US governement kidnapping a Korean, declaring war on the US because of extremists?

[Darthphere]

Id like to thank all of you for correctly spelling Israel. If we dont have proper spelling, the terrorists have already won.

[JLBats]

Well, apparently the long range missiles fired at Israel were made in Iran, which means that A) SumofGod was right, but he overdid it, and B) I'll see you all in hell.

[Kaleb]

dammit I hate it when SumofGod is right :(

[Gonking]

dude, like I said, there's far more to it, I don't have any Hate for Israel at all.
I already put forth a comparison about extremists in the US governement kidnapping a Korean, declaring war on the US because of extremists?

I think this is very clear. Israel wants to probe that they are the strogest military force in middle east to prevent any menace, so, they kill hundreds of civilians from palestine and now lebanon to show that to all muslins and arabs countries. This has been the main foreign policy of Israel, kill, kill, kill, kill and kill more people to probe their power.

[JLBats]

dammit I hate it when SumofGod is right :(

Well, apparently there ARE Reptilians, and now the war with Iran will begin and the Annukaki power structure thingy will rule.

[Kaleb]

oh for the love of God :(

[Darkdd]

Well, apparently there ARE Reptilians, and now the war with Iran will begin and the Annukaki power structure thingy will rule.
Elaborate.

[JLBats]

Elaborate.

Look for SumofGod's recent thread where he made a prediction about something like this happening. He suggest world events are controlled by an ancient alien race known as the Annukaki, or Reptilians.

[Darkdd]

^Oh......

[Gamma Ray]

are you crazy?. Negotiate and talk, this are the solutions. Why they always have to kill each other to solve problems. You are talking like Bush. War is never a solution, it always generates more troubles and hate.

Hamas and all of these other terror group don't talk. They set down a list of ridiculous demands and it's that or nothing.

[Fred_Fury]

I hope I get to go to Israel cause of this :D

[Gamma Ray]

Are you in the army or something?

[demento]

I hope I get to go to Israel cause of this :D
I hope you go too.

[Fred_Fury]

yeah, and im in a rapid deployment unit, so when the **** hits the fan, I'm one of the first to go. right now we're sitting back doing nothing waiting for a natural diaster to strike so we can do disaster releif...

From what I hear, Israel is filled with beautiful women and clubs everywhere

[Mr Sparkle]

and fiery death man! don't forget about the fiery death!

[squeekness]

yeah, and im in a rapid deployment unit, so when the **** hits the fan, I'm one of the first to go. right now we're sitting back doing nothing waiting for a natural diaster to strike so we can do disaster releif...

From what I hear, Israel is filled with beautiful women and clubs everywhereYeah, and soon some dead bodies. I wouldn't be in a rush to get deployed anywhere. :(

[lazur]

dude, like I said, there's far more to it, I don't have any Hate for Israel at all.
I already put forth a comparison about extremists in the US governement kidnapping a Korean, declaring war on the US because of extremists?

I guess if an extremist organization actually ran our country, then that would be a viable comparison. Then again, some people consider certain political parties extremist.

Point being, Hezbollah runs Lebanon. It's not just a fringe islamic minority - it IS the Lebanese government because it represents the largest religious group (the Shia) in that country, so it has the most amount of power.

The purpose of the Hezbollah, as I understand it, was to fight the Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon. But since Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah outlived it's purpose. And now it simply attacks Israel without cause.

The only recourse for Israel is to retaliate with overwhelming force. I mean, they are SPECIFICALLY targeting Hezbollah targets, while simultaneously trying to prevent Iran from assisting their enemies.

I'm still not sure what you mean. You sound like you're saying Hezbollah is just one of many islamic fundamentalist groups in Lebanon with no real power or influence. That simply is not true. Hezbollah is to Lebanon what a political party currently in power is to the U.S.

[Mr Sparkle]

I guess if an extremist organization actually ran our country, then that would be a viable comparison. Then again, some people consider certain political parties extremist.

Point being, Hezbollah runs Lebanon. It's not just a fringe islamic minority - it IS the Lebanese government because it represents the largest religious group (the Shia) in that country, so it has the most amount of power.

The purpose of the Hezbollah, as I understand it, was to fight the Israeli occupation in Southern Lebanon. But since Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon, Hezbollah outlived it's purpose. And now it simply attacks Israel without cause.

The only recourse for Israel is to retaliate with overwhelming force. I mean, they are SPECIFICALLY targeting Hezbollah targets, while simultaneously trying to prevent Iran from assisting their enemies.

I'm still not sure what you mean. You sound like you're saying Hezbollah is just one of many islamic fundamentalist groups in Lebanon with no real power or influence. That simply is not true. Hezbollah is to Lebanon what a political party currently in power is to the U.S.

actually, they run SOUTH lebanon. and that fact has already been discussed, they do not "run" Lebanon, so much so that George Bush has said that he wishes this incursions to not damage Lebanon's Government, if what you say it's true Bush's statements would make no sense, well, less sense than Usual. (zing!) Hezbolah is important, as a symbol, but they are far from Majority in Lebanon (the Catholics and Christians to name a few think that Hezbolah is detrimental to Lebanon) and again, like with any struggle, there's a back story and a sordid little agenda on both parts.
neither of them is truly "innocent"
however, 2 soldiers where an excuse. the best excuse perhaps.

[lazur]

actually, they run SOUTH lebanon. and that fact has already been discussed, they do not "run" Lebanon, so much so that George Bush has said that he wishes this incursions to not damage Lebanon's Government, if what you say it's true Bush's statements would make no sense, well, less sense than Usual. (zing!) Hezbolah is important, as a symbol, but they are far from Majority in Lebanon (the Catholics and Christians to name a few think that Hezbolah is detrimental to Lebanon) and again, like with any struggle, there's a back story and a sordid little agenda on both parts.
neither of them is truly "innocent"
however, 2 soldiers where an excuse. the best excuse perhaps.

Okay, that does make more sense. I can see why the would run South Lebanon, since that's what they were formed to protect.

But, what would the alternative have been for Israel. If you were the leader of Israel, what would you do about Hezbollah coming into your country, kidnapping your soldiers, then shipping them off to Iran for god only knows what kind of torture, not to mention Hezbollah also lobbing long range missiles into your country?

Do you just sit there and ignore it? What do you do?

[squeekness]

Okay, that does make more sense. I can see why the would run South Lebanon, since that's what they were formed to protect.

But, what would the alternative have been for Israel. If you were the leader of Israel, what would you do about Hezbollah coming into your country, kidnapping your soldiers, then shipping them off to Iran for god only knows what kind of torture, not to mention Hezbollah also lobbing long range missiles into your country?

Do you just sit there and ignore it? What do you do?I think that's a legitimate question. It's always tricky when you are dealing with terrorists. If you give in to their demands. (a prisoner exchange) then you only encourage them further. I don't have the answer myself.

[cass]

They've given into demands before. And as we see it know, it leads to further incidents. Once you've given into terrorists, it shows them what it takes in order to get what they want and they're bound to repeat the actions later.

[Mr Sparkle]

Okay, that does make more sense. I can see why the would run South Lebanon, since that's what they were formed to protect.

But, what would the alternative have been for Israel. If you were the leader of Israel, what would you do about Hezbollah coming into your country, kidnapping your soldiers, then shipping them off to Iran for god only knows what kind of torture, not to mention Hezbollah also lobbing long range missiles into your country?

Do you just sit there and ignore it? What do you do?


ah, therein lies the Crux of the argument.
see? 2 soldiers aren't really enough to "negotiate" infact, Israel never negotiaties.
so the question would be, "how do you respond without causing more animosity towards your country" surely a full scale war is too much.
the sad fact is, this is somethign that has been brewing for a long , long time. events have been set in motion now and they can't be stopped.
Israel is going all "overkill" on this. and no-one is innocent.
perhaps maybe, dead civillians on BOTH sides.

[Darthphere]

See you at the draft.

[JLBats]

See you at the draft.

And with Canada's new conservative government, I'll probably be in a battered tank with tinfoil armour.

:down

[Darthphere]

And with Canada's new conservative government, I'll probably be in a battered tank with tinfoil armour.

:down


That sounds awesome.

[InsaneMembrane]

ah, therein lies the Crux of the argument.
see? 2 soldiers aren't really enough to "negotiate" infact, Israel never negotiaties.
so the question would be, "how do you respond without causing more animosity towards your country" surely a full scale war is too much.
the sad fact is, this is somethign that has been brewing for a long , long time. events have been set in motion now and they can't be stopped.
Israel is going all "overkill" on this. and no-one is innocent.
perhaps maybe, dead civillians on BOTH sides.

Israel negotiated for the corspes of four of it's soldiers in 2004 for the release of 420 prisoners...

[Mr Sparkle]

Israel negotiated for the corspes of four of it's soldiers in 2004 for the release of 420 prisoners...

well, that's not really "negotiation" (see the 72 olympics) that situation was , shall we say "different" because other political factors are involved.
I mean, actual political negotiation, it can't do that. It won't do that because that would put it's existence in danger.

[InsaneMembrane]

well, that's not really "negotiation" (see the 72 olympics) that situation was , shall we say "different" because other political factors are involved.
I mean, actual political negotiation, it can't do that. It won't do that because that would put it's existence in danger.

Can you expand on the other political factors I genuinely want to know...

[tomahawk53]

ah, therein lies the Crux of the argument.
see? 2 soldiers aren't really enough to "negotiate" infact, Israel never negotiaties.
so the question would be, "how do you respond without causing more animosity towards your country" surely a full scale war is too much.
the sad fact is, this is somethign that has been brewing for a long , long time. events have been set in motion now and they can't be stopped.
Israel is going all "overkill" on this. and no-one is innocent.
perhaps maybe, dead civillians on BOTH sides.

There is another crux of the argument that I haven't seen posted on here...(Admiringly I've not read the entire forum...but I have the last two pages).

IF Israel does NOT retaliate in some form then they will basically open up their doors to terrorist attacks. They are hated on all sides by everyone over there. If one group does something like cross in to Israel and kidnap solders and ship them off to Iran and they get away with it. Then other organizations will do similar things to.

By them not negotiating and retaliating with extreme force may be the only thing that's kept them from being literally blown up by terrorist over the years. Just look at it from Israel's POV. They don't have much else that they can do.

[WeaponZ2]

Look for SumofGod's recent thread where he made a prediction about something like this happening. He suggest world events are controlled by an ancient alien race known as the Annukaki, or Reptilians.


Kind of reminds me of the Ultimates.....

[Mr Sparkle]

Can you expand on the other political factors I genuinely want to know...

well, the reality was that the 420 arab prisoners where not high risk individuals.
at least, not in the "leader" type of way, and the negotiation was done over a businessman, the bodies of the soldiers where, and I think I might be wrong, but i'm nor sure "years old".
this is somewhat different.
though they had demands similiar to the 2004 episode (the release of woman and "children" from Israely prisons) they overstepped their bounds, last time, Israel had nothing to loose, this time it's about keeping face.
you should look into the Israely raids on refugee camps, and subsequent aprehensions of all who are deemed "enemies".
the move was foolish on Hezbolahs part, but the response is excessive by ANY standards. they are also killing civillians, who will now harbor a deep resentment towards Israel.
so, when you look at it, unless Hezbolah is destroyed tomorrow, they already won.

[Mr Sparkle]

There is another crux of the argument that I haven't seen posted on here...(Admiringly I've not read the entire forum...but I have the last two pages).

IF Israel does NOT retaliate in some form then they will basically open up their doors to terrorist attacks. They are hated on all sides by everyone over there. If one group does something like cross in to Israel and kidnap solders and ship them off to Iran and they get away with it. Then other organizations will do similar things to.

By them not negotiating and retaliating with extreme force may be the only thing that's kept them from being literally blown up by terrorist over the years. Just look at it from Israel's POV. They don't have much else that they can do.

I agree, I'm saying they are engaging in overkill. thus, their form of retaliation is excessive and hurts them more than helping them in the long run.

[tomahawk53]

they are also killing civillians, who will now harbor a deep resentment towards Israel.

I guess they will haunt them from beyond the grave? :confused: :p

[Mr Sparkle]

I guess they will haunt them from beyond the grave? :confused: :p

ahahaha!:)
you know what I meant.:mad:

I meant zombies :eek:

[raybia]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/14/mideast/index.html

[raybia]

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Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.