Mickey Rourke Cast in Iron Man 2

[Double Down]

In what would mark his first studio film since resurrecting his career with "The Wrestler," Mickey Rourke is in talks to play the heavy in "Iron Man 2," the Marvel Entertainment sequel that director Jon Favreau begins shooting this spring.

Rourke is in discussions to play a villain described as Tony Stark's Russian alter ego, a heavily tattooed bruiser who is in the arms trade and battles Iron Man in his own nuclear-powered armored suit.
The script -- which is still being written -- is a guarded secret, but speculation is that villain is likely comicbook nemesis Crimson Dynamo.
Rourke goes into the Golden Globe weekend vying for best actor in a role that revived his career. Downey soared to become one of the most bankable stars in Hollywood when "Iron Man" grossed over $600 million worldwide.
Paramount Pictures will distribute the film in summer 2010. Rourke is repped by ICM.


From Variety.com

[Chewy]

Mickey Rourke as Crimson Dynamo? ****ing sweet :up:

[Chewy]

This also pretty much confirms that casting call from a little while ago as legit.

[Chewy]

Sam Rockwell too? Sounds like it may well be the first Dynamo/second Dynamo storyline...

In what would mark his first studio film since resurrecting his career with "The Wrestler," Mickey Rourke is in talks to play the heavy in "Iron Man 2," the Marvel Entertainment sequel that director Jon Favreau begins shooting this spring.Rourke is in discussions to play a villain described as Tony Stark's Russian alter ego, a heavily tattooed bruiser who is in the arms trade and battles Iron Man in his own nuclear-powered armored suit.

Actor Sam Rockwell is in negotiations to play another villian in the pic.

The script -- which is still being written -- is a guarded secret, but speculation is that villain is likely comicbook nemesis Crimson Dynamo.

Rourke goes into the Golden Globe weekend vying for best actor in a role that revived his career. Downey soared to become one of the most bankable stars in Hollywood when "Iron Man" grossed over $600 million worldwide.

Paramount Pictures will distribute the film in summer 2010.
Rourke is repped by ICM.


SOURCE (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117998120.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)

[Double Down]

This movie is shaping up very nicely.

[Chewy]

Seriously...

Robert Downey Jr
Don Cheadle
Gwyneth Paltrow
Mickey Rourke
Sam Rockwell
Tim Robbins
Samuel L. Jackson

That's one hell of a cast :D

[Double Down]

It really is. I can't wait to see this.

[donk70]

Really looking forward to this

[Chewy]

Rockwell = Justin Hammer!!

Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell are in talks to star as the villains in "Iron Man 2," being directed by Jon Favreau.

Marvel has been keeping a very tight lid on the script for the sequel, being written by Justin Theroux, but it is known that Rourke would play a tattooed Russian heavy named Ivan who becomes Whiplash, a man with deadly, technologically enhanced coils.

Rockwell would play Justin Hammer, a multibillionaire businessman and a rival of industrialist Anthony Stark, AKA Iron Man, being played by a returning Robert Downey Jr.

Rourke and Rockwell would be joining a cast that also includes the returning Gwyneth Paltrow and Don Cheadle, who is replacing Terrence Howard, making for one eclectically cast summer blockbuster.

Another part -- one for Stark's assistant Natasha -- is still open.

The project is eyeing a spring start in Manhattan Beach. Paramount will release the movie May 7, 2010.

Rourke, repped by ICM, is making the best of the accolades he is receiving for his heart-wrenching turn in "The Wrestler." On top of this big-budget movie, the actor, who will next be seen in "The Informers," just joined the cast of "The Expendables," an action movie starring Sylvester Stallone, Jet Li, Jason Statham and Dolph Lundgren.

If Rockwell's deal makes, it would mark a rare studio appearance for the actor, who is best known for his indie dramas. Gersh-repped Rockwell recently starred as a sex-addicted con man in "Choke" and an estranged husband in "Snow Angels." He can currently be seen in the political drama "Frost/Nixon."

SOURCE (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i41ac0111ebdf30101254593ea5db55bc)

[Mister Sinister]

Of note that Sam Rockwell was just in Choke, directed by Clark Gregg from the first film.

[Chewy]

And... I just noticed that Rourke is Whiplash.

Mods: Title change? "Mickey Rourke is Whiplash, Sam Rockwell is Justin Hammer"

[bunk]

They are pulling out the stops for this one.

[Double Down]

It could be:

Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell to play Iron Man 2 villains?

[Chewy]

^ Yeah, but the Hollywood Reporter is very clear which character each would play

[Double Down]

Maybe, but they haven't even signed yet. It's all still up in the air. "Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell to play Iron Man 2 villains?" covers all of the possibilities: whether they will do it and who they will play.

[Chewy]

True. Perhaps "Mickey Rourke is Whiplash, Sam Rockwell is Justin Hammer?"

Either way, the current title needs to be changed.

[rashad]

This movie is gonna be stuffed. Hopefully it's not rushed.

[Hunter Rider]

Wow! Nice additions. :up:

[Immortalfire]

DD, if I have to change this thread title one more time, you're gonna get a time out mister. :cmad:

:im:

[Chewy]

The Hollywood Reporter article I linked to was updated with this tidbit:


Another part -- one for Stark's assistant Natasha -- is still open.

[Double Down]

DD, if I have to change this thread title one more time, you're gonna get a time out mister. :cmad:

:im:

Um, it's not even what I asked for. Rourke hasn't been cast, he's in negotiations.


Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell to play Iron Man 2 villains?

[Chewy]

DD, if I have to change this thread title one more time, you're gonna get a time out mister. :cmad:

:im:
:lmao:

About a billion geek sites reported "Rourke is Crimson Dynamo!" when the Variety article came out, before THR article said he'd be Whiplash.

[Immortalfire]

Um, it's not even what I asked for. Rourke hasn't been cast, he's in negotiations.


Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell to play Iron Man 2 villains?

I quit. :o

[WeaponXProject]

What an amazing cast this is coming to be! I am all for this, Mickey Rourke will be awesome playing any villain but I would like for him to play Crimson Dynamo and I wonder...Sam Rockwell would definitely fit as a billionaire ambitious playboy. I love this but I guess it might rule him out of playing the Riddler in the sequel to Nolan's Batman, which I wanted.

What happened to the Mandarin, I wonder who will eventually don that character?

EIther way this is incredible casting. We have RDJr, Don Cheadle, Gwyneth Paltrow, Mickey Rourke, Tim RObbins, and Sam ROckwell.

[TwilightPro101]

Loving the casting developments thus far.

[BETArayBill]

wow great actors but a little disapointed that its going to be another guy in a suit as the villan

[DocHoliday]

Good actors, the both of them.

[Chewy]

wow great actors but a little disapointed that its going to be another guy in a suit as the villan
It's not :huh:

[kedrell]

"Big bruiser" to me sounds more like the 1st Titanium Man rather than Crimson Dynamo. But who knows? This is the Marvel movie-verse. I'm pleased with the quality of cast they seem to be attracting, though I really wanted James Woods for Justin Hammer.

[Chewy]

THR, who reported this later and has a great relationship with Marvel (they've made most of their announcements through THR), said Rourke was playing neither Dynamo nor Titanium Man, but Whiplash.

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[kedrell]

wow great actors but a little disapointed that its going to be another guy in a suit as the villan

I don't mind that so much. He won't be the only villain in there, and to have even a chance of going toe-to-toe with Iron Man in a fight you'd need something like that wouldn't you(unless you're the Mandarin). That's like saying "Oh, too bad Batman's next enemy will be yet another weirdo-themed crime-boss with a bunch of henchmen". It's kind of what all these hero's villains are about. They generally follow a certain pattern to make them relative to the hero.

[Jick09]

this makes me really happy.
as long as the main villain is not Mandarin, I'm fine.
I was hoping for Dynamo or Titanium. either one is great.

[kedrell]

THR, who reported this later and has a great relationship with Marvel (they've made most of their announcements through THR), said Rourke was playing neither Dynamo nor Titanium Man, but Whiplash.

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8192/whiplash002qn2.jpg

Oh, ok. I hope he doesn't look like that pic, though. I can just see the S&M parodies forming.:cwink:

[Dark Donnie]

Real nice additions to the cast :up:

[[A]]

Mickey Rourke Cast in Iron Man 2
Good for him :woot: :up:

[haephestus]

Cool cast additions.

Not so sure on Whiplash (would prefer Crimson), but I'm sure Favreau (sp?) will make the character great and with Rourke playing him, it should be excellent.

Hammer is a pretty cool addition. I'm sure they'll differentiate him from Stane (in the first movie).

And "Natasha" for Stark's new assistant. Is Pepper going somewhere (doesn't seem likely). Or is Natasha the new liason between Stark and SHIELD (way cool). Was hoping Swank would end up being Black Widow, but the casting seems to suggest they're aiming for someone younger. Either way, I'm sure who they cast will be great.

Cannot wait for this film!

Cheers.

[haephestus]

Cool cast additions.

Not so sure on Whiplash (would prefer Crimson), but I'm sure Favreau (sp?) will make the character great and with Rourke playing him, it should be excellent.

Hammer is a pretty cool addition. I'm sure they'll differentiate him from Stane (in the first movie).

And "Natasha" for Stark's new assistant. Is Pepper going somewhere (doesn't seem likely). Or is Natasha the new liason between Stark and SHIELD (way cool). Was hoping Swank would end up being Black Widow, but the casting seems to suggest they're aiming for someone younger. Either way, I'm sure who they cast will be great.

Cannot wait for this film!

Cheers.

[DocHoliday]

Pepper I'm sure will be there...

[BETArayBill]

I don't mind that so much. He won't be the only villain in there, and to have even a chance of going toe-to-toe with Iron Man in a fight you'd need something like that wouldn't you(unless you're the Mandarin). That's like saying "Oh, too bad Batman's next enemy will be yet another weirdo-themed crime-boss with a bunch of henchmen". It's kind of what all these hero's villains are about. They generally follow a certain pattern to make them relative to the hero.

what i meant by that is im not thrilled it will probably be just another fight at the end of the movie between dyanmo and iron man but i wouldn't mind seeing wiplash that could be cool either way im sure ill still love the movie

[Rac]

Wow. Rourke and Rockwell!

And Favreau, please cast Ivana Milicevic as Black Widow!

[[A]]

SORTING OUT THIS IRON MAN 2 BUSINESS

The internet is abuzz with the news that Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell are in talks to play villains in Iron Man 2. But who the **** are they going to be? There are a lot of conflicting reports, and some that are confusing, so let's try to figure this out.

Both Variety and The Hollywood Reporter say that Rockwell is in talks to be a baddie. THR says the baddy is Justin Hammer, an evil industrialist and arms dealer. Hammer is well known for supplying bad guys in the Marvel Universe with super suits; look behind dip****s like Leap-Frog, The Beetle, El Toro Negro, Porcupine, Blizzard, Spymaster and even good old Spider-Man villain The Scorpion and you'll find Hammer Industries tech.

That makes sense. This is where it gets confusing. Variety says that Rourke is playing "a villain described as Tony Stark's Russian alter ego, a heavily tattooed bruiser who is in the arms trade and battles Iron Man in his own nuclear-powered armored suit." That would be, without a doubt, the Crimson Dynamo, of whom there have been twelve variations over the decades, making him a pretty good character to start fresh with. Knowing that Hammer is involved in arms dealing also makes this description seem reasonable - all the pieces fit together.

The pieces fit together even more when you realize that in the seminal Iron Man storyline Armor Wars Justin Hammer stole pieces of Stark tech and sold them to villains, who were creating their own supersuits. How does a heavily tattooed Russian thug get a suit of nuclear powered armor? Well, buying the plans and/or parts from Justin Hammer makes sense. On top of that, if you watch the special features for Iron Man you'll see people referring to the Ironmonger armor as Crimson Dynamo (thanks to Mac McLean for that heads up), so the character is on the filmmaker's minds.

But then the Hollywood Reporter comes from out of nowhere claiming that Rourke is actually playing Whiplash, a villain "with deadly, technologically enhanced coils". Thanks to George from LatinoReview for pointing out that the current Marvel Universe Whiplash is actually Mark Scarlotti, a one-time Maggia thug (that's Marvel's Mafia) who wore a ridiculous swashbuckler suit, had whips attached to his gloves and called himself Backlash. He did lots of work for Justin Hammer. In his very first appearance, Backlash was called Whiplash, and that's the name that he's once again using these days. But Scarlotti is no Russian, and his story - he began his career in Stark Industries but fell to the Dark Side of Hammer Industries - doesn't work for a Mickey Rourke character.

Of course it's possible that Justin Theroux and John Favreau have simply decided to take the character and concept and run with it in a new direction, possibly merging Whiplash and the Dynamo. Or maybe they're wrong about Rockwell as Hammer - he's way too young, for one thing - and he's actually Whiplash. That almost makes more sense when you look at Whiplash's history as Stark engineer gone bad.

Then there's one last bit of info that the Hollywood Reporter uses to confuse us - they say that casting is still ongoing for Natasha, Stark's assistant. The Black Widow, whose real name is Natasha Romanov, has been confirmed as a major character in the movie, and as it makes no sense to have two Natashas, we must assume this character is The Black Widow. As far as I know, Gwyneth Paltrow is returning for the film, so this leaves some options:

* They're wrong about Natasha's role.

* Pepper Potts has a new job in Stark Industries and Natasha fills her old position. She happens to be The Black Widow - either planted by Rourke's Russian character or Justin Hammer to betray Stark (she started life in the comics as a villain) or already secretly the heroic Black Widow, getting close to Stark for her own purposes

* Natasha is actually assigned to Stark by SHIELD. In the Ultimates, Marvel's reboot of The Avengers, The Black Widow is a SHIELD agent. She's not his 'assistant' per se, but she's detailed to work with the industrialist/super hero.

Whatever her role is, it seems inevitable that there will be a love triangle between Stark, Pepper and Natasha.

We also know that Hawkeye will be a major player in the film. Like The Black Widow he began his career as a villain and was, in various incarnations a SHIELD agent, so who knows how he fits in). And then there's the strong possibility that War Machine - Rhodey in a suit of armor - makes his first appearance in this film. Those are a lot of pieces to have in play, including a behind the scenes Mandarin, who will likely begin to step out of the shadows in this movie.

Here's hoping this gets clearer in the days ahead.

http://chud.com/articles/articles/17673/1/SORTING-OUT-THIS-IRON-MAN-2-BUSINESS/Page1.html

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wow and the awesome news begins. Very excited by what I am hearing so far. Favreau sure knows what hes doing.

[Mister Sinister]

I like the idea that Black Widow is 'assigned' by Fury to keep tabs on Stark.

[Chewy]

Two things about Devin's article:

1) The same article that mentions Natasha says Paltrow is returning, so I don't even see that as a question
2) He mentions Iron Monger originally being Dynamo in IM as evidence that "the character is on the filmmaker's minds", but doesn't mention that Favreau codenamed the jets "Whiplash 1" & "Whiplash 2" as a reference to the villain, meaning both villains were equally on the filmmaker's minds.

I'm sure we'll get some confirmation on which one Rourke's role is in the coming days, although I'm inclined to believe it's Whiplash.

[Compi716]

Hmm...this is all very interesting. I can't wait till we get some official confirmation. Either way, I love me some Sam Rockwell.

[Double Down]

Hmm...this is all very interesting. I can't wait till we get some official confirmation. Either way, I love me some Sam Rockwell.

I just saw him in Lawn Dogs not too long ago. He was excellent in it.

[Saint]

Impressive casting, but I am somewhat disappointed that the villains are Dynamo and Hammer. I wanted the Mandarin.

[Chewy]

Favreau has said he's saving Mandarin for IM3

[Sawyer]

Holy crap. Downey, Paltrow, Cheadle, Jackson... now Rourke, Rockwell and possibly even Tim Robbins? Not a bad ensemble. Not bad at all.

[TwilightPro101]

Digging the theories on how the characters are involved.

[[A]]

Maybe I should've started a new thread with that article :o oh well

[Ironfan72]

I think when all is said and done Rourke will most likely be Crimson Dynamo, he is one of Iron Man's greatest villians, Whiplash is not, as a matter fact, in the first film when Iron Man is having it out with the F-22's , their call sign's were Whiplash 1 & 2, giving a nod to Iron Man villian whiplash.
Plus, Whiplash is not Russian.

[X-Maniac]

A Russian with deadly coils sounds more like Omega Red from the X-Men books....

Rourke even looks like Omega Red!

[Double Down]

I think when all is said and done Rourke will most likely be Crimson Dynamo, he is one of Iron Man's greatest villians, Whiplash is not, as a matter fact, in the first film when Iron Man is having it out with the F-22's , there call signed were Whiplash 1 & 2, giving a nod to Iron Man villian whiplash.
Plus, Whiplash is not Russian.

I'm not arguing about Iron Man with the Iron Man Forum Poster of the Year.

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[The Guard]

Rourke and Rockwell are both good actors, but does anyone really see Rockwell as Justin Hammer? That's quite the reinvention of the Justin Hammer I've known.

[LightningFlash]

Wow....people should read before they make posts, lol. Rourke will be playing Whiplash. Which is weird, isn't Dynamo a stronger character/villain than Whiplash?

And...Hammer is usually portrayed as an older guy in the comics...Rockwell is too young, isn't he?

[[A]]

^ Uhm, yeah--you missed the whole thing from the beginning, obviously

[Chewy]

Wow....people should read before they make posts, lol. Rourke will be playing Whiplash. Which is weird, isn't Dynamo a stronger character/villain than Whiplash?

And...Hammer is usually portrayed as an older guy...Rockwell is too young, isn't he?
That's not known. One trade is saying he will be playing Crimson Dynamo, the other is saying he will be playing Whiplash.

One of them is wrong, I guess we'll find out which soon enough.

[Double Down]

Wow....people should read before they make posts, lol. Rourke will be playing Whiplash. Which is weird, isn't Dynamo a stronger character/villain than Whiplash?

And...Hammer is usually portrayed as an older guy in the comics...Rockwell is too young, isn't he?

It hasn't been settled for sure what role Rourke will play.

[Leto]

Rourke and Rockwell are both good actors, but does anyone really see Rockwell as Justin Hammer? That's quite the reinvention of the Justin Hammer I've known.

Maybe he'll be playing a younger Justin Hammer.

Or they'll grey up his hair.

Or maybe he's playing someone else entirely!

[Ratcrawler]

So...is Black Widow Tony's new assistant?

[cerealkiller182]

First Impression
Rockwell as Justin Hammer? Hammer is supposed to be old. I guess I could buy that they want him to be Stark's peer.......



......but what about Rockwell as HAwkeye. Hawkeye was originally an Iron Man foe, tricked into coppurt espionage by Black Widow. And Rockwell could make a badass Hawkeye. This is exactly what Im hoping for.

[JaD]

Awesome news :im::up:

[FaT_tONle]

Rockwell WILL be Justin Hammer... I can totally see him in the role. The sleezy billionare rival... a little young... but he'll be an excellent change of pace to the character in the comics. This guy is a younger Gary Oldman... he will NAIL the role.

Rourke will most likely be Dynamo... they are going Armor Wars... Mandarin was to be saved for the third film as everyone knows. I don't think you sign an actor like Mickey for a villain like Whiplash. That is just my take. Plus I think we will only get War Machine in the end meaning I am thinking Dynamo will be the main villain.

Black Widow will easily fit into this plot... I think she'll be a villain initially... going over to the SHIELD at the end.

Hawkeye... not too sure... he may start off the same way as BW. We'll have to wait and see... I don't think he should be in the series this early.

War Machine... I'd say he'll show up at the end. We'll see what happens.

[cerealkiller182]

Despite whoever they are casted as, Rockwell and Rourke are some of the most underused talents in Hollywood and Im glad they get to be apart of this rather big blockbuster.

[RedIsNotBlue]

I guess I could buy that they want him to be Stark's peer.......

Yeah it seems like that is the angle Favs is going to take. Rockwell is definitely an actor that can pull off that rich, snobby, witty type attitude.

[mclay18]

It's great to see Rourke and Rockwell join IM-2.

On a lighter note, I'm glad Paltrow is returning. It's nice to have more people returning for IM-2 other than Favreau and RDJ, and she handled the character wonderfully in the first flick.

[cosmicherosa]

Floored. Completely.

Mickey Rourke casting is insane. I can't wait to read more.

BUT....I am MORE excited about Sam Rockwell. He is one of the best character actors out there right now. Just fantastic acting in all of his roles. He will play an ******* arrogant competitor super super perfect.

This is mad thumbs up! :word:

[Ironfan72]

I could see them re-inventing Hammer, I'm personally not married to the way the character has been since he was introduced, it would make sense to make him Stark's age.
As for who actually Rourke is playing, I guess we wait to see what Marvel say's, they haven't officailly announced anything yet.

[Chewy]

Rourke will most likely be Dynamo... they are going Armor Wars... Mandarin was to be saved for the third film as everyone knows. I don't think you sign an actor like Mickey for a villain like Whiplash. That is just my take. Plus I think we will only get War Machine in the end meaning I am thinking Dynamo will be the main villain.
Both Dynamo & Whiplash could potentially be written as main villains. While it's true Dynamo is probably more well known, he's a LOT like Iron Monger, whereas Whiplash is a slightly less well known villain (though he was in the animated series and the movie game) who is a lot more unique.

We shall see.

[FaT_tONle]

I still don't get both Hawkeye AND BW in this film... we already have Paltrow, Cheadle, SLJ as supporting actors... I think Hawkeye is too much. I hope his role is small... something like the SHIELD agent in Iron Man. No clue how they'll fit all these characters is.

[Ironfan72]

Wow....people should read before they make posts, lol. Rourke will be playing Whiplash. Which is weird, isn't Dynamo a stronger character/villain than Whiplash?

And...Hammer is usually portrayed as an older guy in the comics...Rockwell is too young, isn't he?

If Rockwell is playing Hammer, Whiplash was usually a henchmen for him, as well as Blizzard, Boomerang, Spymaster, Ghost,etc. Whiplash was never really a threat to Iron Man, as part of a villian team, yes, but one on one, no.
Crimson Dynamo on the other hand, he was a soldier of the Soviet Union, hated Capitalism and fought Iron Man time and time again and caused Iron Man serious trouble, so Rourke makes more sense as Dynamo than a low level henchman like Whiplash (who was in the Iron Man video game).

[cerealkiller182]

I still don't get both Hawkeye AND BW in this film... we already have Paltrow, Cheadle, SLJ as supporting actors... I think Hawkeye is too much. I hope his role is small... something like the SHIELD agent in Iron Man. No clue how they'll fit all these characters is.

Hawkeye was originally an Iron Man villain. Over time hes been connected to Avengers, SHIELD, and Black Widow in some version. I think theres plenty he can do without being a burden on the story

I kinda already see it play out. Black Widow, a Soviet agent, puppeteers Hawkeye to steal Iron Man suit designs for the Soviets who in turn create Crimson Dynamo. Hawkeye, out of guilt, helps Iron Man in the end. Black Widow is arrested by SHIELD and later used in Avengers as the member no one really trusts plus a love/hate relationship with Stark.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I love me some Rockwell, if this news is true color me extremely happy. I was just talking to my sister about how underrated he is.

[FaT_tONle]

Hawkeye was originally an Iron Man villain. Over time hes been connected to Avengers, SHIELD, and Black Widow in some version. I think theres plenty he can do without being a burden on the story

Yeah I know that... I don't think they will get into that whole back story... I hope he is used like a SHIELD agent who is more involved in the action. Plus I think the Hawkeye costume would look a little ridiculous on the big screen... I am all for being a purist but lets be real here. Unless they explain his circus days it wouldn't make a lot of sense... I am thinking purple padding tops... do away with the full blown mask.

[Colossal Spoons]

Mickey Rourke as Crimson Dynamo? ****ing sweet :up:

Seriously, wow. :up:

[cerealkiller182]

Yeah I know that... I don't think they will get into that whole back story... I hope he is used like a SHIELD agent who is more involved in the action. Plus I think the Hawkeye costume would look a little ridiculous on the big screen... I am all for being a purist but lets be real here. Unless they explain his circus days it wouldn't make a lot of sense... I am thinking purple padding tops... do away with the full blown mask.

I edited more detail but you quoted me pretty fast so here it is again

I kinda already see it play out. Black Widow, a Soviet agent, puppeteers Hawkeye to steal Iron Man suit designs for the Soviets who in turn create Crimson Dynamo. Hawkeye, out of guilt, helps Iron Man in the end. Black Widow is arrested by SHIELD and later used in Avengers as the member no one really trusts plus a love/hate relationship with Stark.



I too think Hawkeyes suit is a little ridiculous. Hes definitely got the Wolvie mask silliness, but his original Ultimate costume could definitely work, except it looked a little to much like movie X-Men costume.

[Compi716]

What I'm thinking is that Widow will be the S.H.I.E.L.D. liaison to Stark. Hawkeye I can see being as more of a bodyguard/aid to Nick Fury, similar to the role of Sharon Carter in Captain America.

Think: The Ultimates 1 & 2 (that is, without Widow's ending).

[FaT_tONle]

I edited more detail but you quoted me pretty fast

I too think Hawkeyes suit is a little ridiculous. Hes definitely got the Wolvie mask silliness, but his original Ultimate costume could definitely work, except it looked a little to much like movie X-Men costume.

Yeah that's what I am thinking... off the character early... let him come back at the end. I don't want to see him look like some Robin hero on the side... just be brief with it. No full blown costume until the Avengers movie earliest.

[marcvader]

I think Natasha needs to be the one to steal the IronMan specs and possibly sells them to Hammer who in turn uses Roarke to man the Dynamo suit. Natasha later redeems herself by helping Tony and Shield defeat Dynamo and Hammer some how and is then offered a place in Shield?

[Octoberist]

ah man, i hope that the script is good. Not that I don't trust Justin Theox, but I've always saw him as an actor first then a writer. I hope the addition to all of these new characters, if true, won't be convoluted and lame.

[marcvader]

but hopefully they continue to build on the 10 rings and Mandarin for a third flick.

[batman44]

Mickey Rourke?......NICE:up:

[Rocker22]

There are conflicting reports about this, he is either going to be Dynamo or Whiplash. Either sound good.

[cerealkiller182]

ah man, i hope that the script is good. Not that I don't trust Justin Theox, but I've always saw him as an actor first then a writer. I hope the addition to all of these new characters, if true, won't be convoluted and lame.

Favs seems to be handling all aspects of production in a management position. No one seems to make a move without him. Im not too worried.

[FaT_tONle]

I think Natasha needs to be the one to steal the IronMan specs and possibly sells them to Hammer who in turn uses Roarke to man the Dynamo suit. Natasha later redeems herself by helping Tony and Shield defeat Dynamo and Hammer some how and is then offered a place in Shield?

I am thinking BW will be working for Tony as an antagonist and a spy for Hammer... and to conceal her identity... she will use Hawkeye to do her dirty work. They may introduce Hawkeye as a body guard/henchmen for BW to begin with (although that wouldn't make a lot of sense since I am sure Stark/SHIELD could employ people for her)... but something along those lines. Of course I am usually wrong... I think cerealkiller is right for the most part.

[marcvader]

He better not be Whiplash, that would be a waste. Whiplash seems to be a two bit henchman to me.

[Eddie Dean]

Awesome news. I agee with cerealkiller on Rockwell as Hawkeye, though.

[cerealkiller182]

I am thinking BW will be working for Tony as an antagonist and a spy for Hammer... and to conceal her identity... she will use Hawkeye to do her dirty work. They may introduce Hawkeye as a body guard/henchmen for BW to begin with (although that wouldn't make a lot of sense since I am sure Stark/SHIELD could employ people for her)... but something along those lines. Of course I am usually wrong... I think cerealkiller is right for the most part.

My specualtion is kinda cliche too, but I am hoping the fact that all of these characters have really strong personalities that that makes up for the cliche-ness (grammer?)

[Chewy]

Whiplash is no more of a henchman than Crimson Dynamo :huh:

Perhaps we're looking at a character who is an amalgamation of both, and that's why the trades' stories aren't matching up? Who knows.

[Colossal Spoons]

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[cerealkiller182]

Wait, I just checked wikipedia, and it said Whiplash was a girl.

[Chewy]

^ Look at Blacklash's article

[Colossal Spoons]

Wait, I just checked wikipedia, and it said Whiplash was a girl.

Haha, yeah. It's Backlash

[cerealkiller182]

Either way, Russian thug with tentacles. A little too Omeda Red, dontcha think?

[Chewy]

Whiplash is similar to Omega Red, who we haven't seen on screen.
Crimson Dynamo is similar to Iron Monger, who we have seen on screen.

[Colossal Spoons]

I'm still waiting to see OR on screen. Easily in my top 5 fav villains

[marcvader]

I do agree that Dynamo is redundant in an Iron Man movie but he fits in more with what a person wanting to beat a man in an Iron suit would do although it didn't work in the first flick either.

[CaptainStacy]

Good news! glad to see things are progressing nicely!

[Leto]

Haha, yeah. It's Backlash

Blacklash.

[cerealkiller182]

Whiplash is similar to Omega Red, who we haven't seen on screen.
Crimson Dynamo is similar to Iron Monger, who we have seen on screen.

I get that but Omega Red is arguably the bigger character and witha possible WOlverine solo franchise I'd say hes got a good chance of showing up. THey are both kinda redundant but considering the power struggle at hand, its kinda like the Space Race, who can make a better suit.

Although, the one thing I havent thought about is how they are going to handle the fact that the Soviet Union fell cause most of these characters (Dynamo and Widow anyway) rely on the USSR (right?)

Id say Widow is an easy fix, but Crimson Dynamo is like a USSR poster boy isnt he?

[Venom'sDad]

Rourke and Rockwell are both good actors, but does anyone really see Rockwell as Justin Hammer? That's quite the reinvention of the Justin Hammer I've known.

Yeah.... that's whats bothering me. I understand that most of the trades are running with Rock being the Ham. In the comic Hammer is alot older and a rival to Starks. There is a long history between the two. I just don't see it. A young Hammer can't have a long rivary with an older Starks... can he?

:confused:

[Leto]

The Crimson Dynamo works if his armor is stolen from Stark.

[tamron]

ah man, i hope that the script is good. Not that I don't trust Justin Theox, but I've always saw him as an actor first then a writer. I hope the addition to all of these new characters, if true, won't be convoluted and lame.

Favs and Downey were all about the improv in IM. Long as the story structure is sound, I'm not worried about the script, bc they're not going to follow it word for word anyway.

[Symbiotic]

I'm glad to hear that Rourke's been added.

[cerealkiller182]

Yeah.... that's whats bothering me. I understand that most of the trades are running with Rock being the Ham. In the comic Hammer is alot older and a rival to Starks. There is a long history between the two. I just don't see it. A young Hammer can't have a long rivary with an older Starks... can he?

:confused:

Rockwell's not that young. Theres a 3 year difference between him and Downey. I think the idea (if he really is HAmmer) is that they are peers. Maybe business school classmates or some such thing. I'd be ok with that, but i prefer him as Hawkeye

[Colossal Spoons]

The Crimson Dynamo works if his armor is stolen from Stark.

I'd rather it not be Stark-tech

[Chewy]

The oddest thing about this all is that the trades are printing not just stories that minorly contradict each other, but stories that seem completely opposite.

Which role Rockwell will play has yet to be disclosed by Marvel, but Rourke is in discussions to play the Crimson Dynamo, a heavily tattooed Russian arms dealer. He's considered to be an evil version of Iron Man because he battles the superhero in a nuclear-powered suit of armor.
Marvel has been keeping a very tight lid on the script for the sequel, being written by Justin Theroux, but it is known that Rourke would play a tattooed Russian heavy named Ivan who becomes Whiplash, a man with deadly, technologically enhanced coils.

Rockwell would play Justin Hammer, a multibillionaire businessman and a rival of industrialist Anthony Stark, AKA Iron Man, being played by a returning Robert Downey Jr.

So either someone is making **** up or making assumptions or the character is something of an amalgamation or... I don't know :huh:

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

I'm good with Sam Rockwell being cast as Justin Hammer. The Demon in a Bottle angle works for me. I'm not hot about the Crimson Dynamo or Whiplash, but Mickey Rourke's a great actor and it'd be great to see how Favreau directs him. Natasha's a good name drop, assuming they mean Natasha Romanoff; I want to see S.H.I.E.L.D. taking a proactive role in Tony's world.

[CHEZ]

If it ends up being Crimson Dynamo, I really hope they update the suit for the movie because the comic design is pretty lame. It looks a lot like something you'd see in a Power Rangers type show.
They would need to design a suit that looks cool and tough without looking like a joke.

If it ends up being Omega Red...again, long blond hair with sunglasses??? That would look pretty stupid in live-action. I just can't see Iron Man fighting with a guy with long blond hair and shades, I am sorry.

[Symbiotic]

The oddest thing about this all is that the trades are printing not just stories that minorly contradict each other, but stories that seem completely opposite.

So either someone is making **** up or making assumptions or the character is something of an amalgamation or... I don't know :huh:Yeah. Seems the only thing they agree on is that he's a tattooed Russian.

[DocHoliday]

Russia is back! No in all seriousness it is weird to see Russian villains relevant again.

[CHEZ]

Russia is back! No in all seriousness it is weird to see Russian villains relevant again.

You know, that is actually a good point. I wonder how they are going to make him relevant for this movie.

[DocHoliday]

You know, that is actually a good point. I wonder how they are going to make him relevant for this movie.

Well I mean...I don't want to get too political or anything. But Russia is practically ran by former KGB that look out for their own interests and not their peoples'. They are certainly not the Soviet Union anymore but there are stories to tell.

[sabetoonth]

i justcant wait to see marv lay some smack down on ironmans tin can

[FaT_tONle]

How did Bond continue to drag the Russian stories during the nineties??? Cmon guys... there is always some crazy Russian motha ****er in that government that is trying to start WWIII... I hope it sets up nicely for the Avengers movie. I would like to see some realistic threats in that film... neo-nazis, commis, nuclear war... get all political... make it WWIII comicbook style. Set up the same kind of stuff in the Captain America movie as well.

And what the hell is with the Omega Red talk... we'll be lucky if Fox puts him in a Wolverine/X-Men film... he had better be in a Wolverine sequel if they make one... although I think they'd use the Japan stories... anyway, back on topic.

[.Rorschach.]

I wonder how they are going to do Whiplash's costume in this film

[louiebling$]

Damn..... I hope it ends up being an Amalgamation of Crimson Dynamo and Whiplash... that would be awesome!:up:

[Chewy]

This reminds me of when Jeff Bridges was cast and no one knew who the **** he was playing. All we knew was "Business associate of Tony". All we know right now is "tattooed Russian".

I'm sure we'll know soon enough.

[Double Down]

This reminds me of when Jeff Bridges was cast and no one knew who the **** he was playing. All we knew was "Business associate of Tony". All we know right now is "tattooed Russian".

I'm sure we'll know soon enough.

Good point.

[strikezone89]

good casting adding 2 great actors.... kudos to the casting director

[SpiderWill]

Well, with all the talk of Tim Robbins being Howard Stark, there probably going to be a decent number of flash backs, so I think it would be cool if Rockwell played Justin Hammer in the flashbacks opposite Tim Robbins and maybe and older actor, or Sam in makeup in present times.

[Vile]

Great news on both casting!

[fu manchu]

awesome news if they are added to the cast. can't wait to see who plays Natasha.

[bapi]

If it's true... Amazing cast!

[Boom]

Epic win :up:.

[PyroChamber]

I don't know much about all the Iron Man villains, but I'm guess that Justin Hammer is one of his main ones?

[nightwing06]

Excellent choice

[chamber-music]

Jon Favreau said on the Howard Stern Show tha he considered casting Sam Rockwell as Iron Man when the studio where unsure about RDJ so its obvious Favreau wanted to work with Rockwell at some point.

[The Ace of Knaves]

Mickey Rourke is da maaaaan! I'm glad to see him making a comeback. :up:

[Carlo Comicus]

Good choice Rourke for Crimson Dynamo, but Rockwell it's so young for Justin Hammer role.

[chamber-music]

Rockwell is 40 years old and Robert Downey Junior is 43. He can be a contemporary rival to Stark.

I'm guessing Sam Rockell will use his own accent and not play a British Hammer like he is 616 Marvel in the comics or an American from the south like he is in the Ultimate universe.

[dark_b]

i am afraid that they casted Rourke for the cliche villain . the guy is capable at doing somethign grounbreaking.

[3dman27]

A Russian with deadly coils sounds more like Omega Red from the X-Men books....

Rourke even looks like Omega Red!
iron man vs omega red, interesting

[The Ace of Knaves]

He is playing the Crimson Dynamo though isn't he?

[Nirvana]

Oh hell yes! Mickey Rourke as Crimson Dynamo is total win! I have to admit I'm not very familiar with Justin Hammer at all, but after reading up on him a bit and seeing that Sam Rockwell is playing it sounds like a very impressive role. I look forward to seeing it. :up:

[Brian Braddock]

Yet another amazing coup in terms of casting.

Excellent;

Seriously, the calibre of actors that studios are getting for these movies nowadays truly staggers me sometimes. Rememeber the days when 'serious' actors would scoff at the idea of appearing in a comicbook movie?

Those days are dead, my friends.

And that truly is an excellent thing.

[[A]]

Who was the guy going mad over producers not using Omega Red..? :funny:

[He-Man]

Good news on Rourke and Rockwell. :up:

[[A]]

Let the manip-madness begin!

[OsGom]

I'm excited about this! Anyone know if they are elaning towards a Demon in the Bottle storyline? I think Hammer and Dynamo fit well in that scenario with Mandarin behind the scenes.
Also I think combining Whiplash with Dynamo is a good move as that design would set IM and Dynamo's armors apart from one another.

[Ironfan72]

I'm excited about this! Anyone know if they are elaning towards a Demon in the Bottle storyline? I think Hammer and Dynamo fit well in that scenario with Mandarin behind the scenes.
Also I think combining Whiplash with Dynamo is a good move as that design would set IM and Dynamo's armors apart from one another.

Favreau indicted that Demon in a Bottle might be part of the film, but said he didn't want it to play to much into the story, indicating it would be to dark he still wants this to be kid friendly.
I think it will be addressed, but I doubt it will be the theme of the film.

[Rich Santoro]

Coils??? Hell, it could Constrictor... doubt it, but hoping for Dynamo... or Titanium Man.

I would like to see more than one teched-up bad guy... like a small group that attacks Stark (Mach1 as opposed to the Beetle, Spymaster, Whiplash... maybe even HE), then later it all escalates to a confrontation with Dyanmo after Hammer does a big reveal... something about an arms race "Tony, didn't you think others would see what you have done, and try to catch up??? You may be a step ahead of the rest of us, but we are right on your heels. Its an arms race all the way. Now, you may be the genius inventor, but I have found me a real pilot to operate my suit. It is good to know that all the cold-war Soviet MIG training isn't going to be wasted..."

[[A]]

Whoever these guys play, with all these big names in one movie--it's gonna be one hell of a ride :woot: :up:

[Iron_Stark]

I think it makes more sense that Rockwall should be Professor Anton Vanko, the creator of the Crimson Dynamo suit.

But I won't complain about these great casting choices.

[Optikal]

Oh Hell yeah! Rourke in on the action is just the icing on a very promising cake! Iron Man, Nick Fury, Crimson Dynamo, WAR MACHINE! This really is a golden age for comic book fans.

[Keyser Soze]

Awesome news!

Iron Man 2 really needed another heavyweight actor to take on the villain role, for this film to truly live up to the first part. Though overshadowed by Heath Ledger's legendary interpretation of The Joker, Jeff Bridges did a great job as Obidiah Stane in Iron Man, and so it was important to me that the filmmakers kept the standard similarly high for the sequel.

And they go and bring in Mickey F'n Rourke! A worthy successor to Jeff Bridges indeed! Not only that, but I think it creates an interesting dynamic with Robert Downey Jr, both being Comeback Kings. Of course, Sam Rockwell is no slouch either. A very underrated, talented actor.

One question, though. I'm not too familiar with the comics world of Iron Man. Is Crimson Dynamo in danger of coming across as too similar to Iron Monger? Or is there enough difference between them for each to stand on their own merits?

[Rocker22]

In the first movie it WAS going to be Dynamo. Alot of the early concept for Monger was really Dynamo, just with a slightly diffrent head piece and the eyes were red.

So I hope they come up with a new design so where they don't look so similar.

[Congo Jack]

I'm not going to even try to guess who these guys are playing, I'm just happy actors of the calibre or Sam Rockwell and Mickey Rourke are involved.

Potential Cast for IRON MAN 2
Robert Downey, Jr.
Gwyneth Paltrow
Don Cheadle
Samuel L. Jackson
Mickey Rourke
Sam Rockwell

The future is bright, the future is:im:.

[[A]]

In the first movie it WAS going to be Dynamo. Alot of the early concept for Monger was really Dynamo, just with a slightly diffrent head piece and the eyes were red.
Indeed. If you check the dvd extras, you'll see they keep calling the bad guy Crimson Dynamo early in production.

I'm not going to even try to guess who these guys are playing, I'm just happy actors of the calibre or Sam Rockwell and Mickey Rourke are involved.
It's Marvel's own Expendables!! :woot: :hehe:

[CHEZ]

Mickey Rourke is da maaaaan! I'm glad to see him making a comeback. :up:

Hey, Ace of Knaves, what is your avi a clip from? That is tripped out!

[Slusho]

Maybe Rockwell would play a younger Justin Hammer in the flashback with Tim Robbins as Howard Stark?

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah that's what I am thinking... sort of like the Zack Synder school of thought... not that Synder introduced a groundbreaking principle with Watchmen... in that you cast someone in the mid range so that you do not need different actors for flashbacks and what not. Rockwell can easily be greyed to look older for the present day. I like the concept of using him as a rival to Tony Stark from college onward though... I mean that isn't a terrible line of thought. Not everything has to be 616 to a "T"....

[Iron_Stark]

Awesome news!

Iron Man 2 really needed another heavyweight actor to take on the villain role, for this film to truly live up to the first part. Though overshadowed by Heath Ledger's legendary interpretation of The Joker, Jeff Bridges did a great job as Obidiah Stane in Iron Man, and so it was important to me that the filmmakers kept the standard similarly high for the sequel.

And they go and bring in Mickey F'n Rourke! A worthy successor to Jeff Bridges indeed! Not only that, but I think it creates an interesting dynamic with Robert Downey Jr, both being Comeback Kings. Of course, Sam Rockwell is no slouch either. A very underrated, talented actor.

One question, though. I'm not too familiar with the comics world of Iron Man. Is Crimson Dynamo in danger of coming across as too similar to Iron Monger? Or is there enough difference between them for each to stand on their own merits?

Yes and no, Dyanmo wasnt' as big as IM was, at least not the first few CD armors. And most of his attacks are electricity based (hence him being a dynamo) while IM had gattling guns and missles. And i'm sure they'll paint CD red.

Another thing that gets me excited is the thought of Iron Man at full power fighting another armored foe.

The last one, the end fight was a real let down for me, it was pretty much Tony getting his ass kicked until Pepper overloaded the reactor.

[Chewy]

He is playing the Crimson Dynamo though isn't he?
We don't know if it's Dynamo or Whiplash. The trades are disputing the role Rourke is playing.

Don't know why people are talking about Omega Red, though :huh:

[[A]]

^ they read about it in the same trades you mention

[FlawlessVictory]

So Sam Rockwell is the first of the major players between the first 2 movies to have not at least been nominated for an Academy Award. Way to bring down the cast Favs! :down

:oldrazz:

Great additions! :yay:

[Chewy]

The trades don't mention Omega Red, though. Variety claims he is playing Crimson Dynamo, a guy in a nuclear-powered suit, while THR claims he is playing Whiplash, a guy with technologically enhanced coils.

I also don't know why they didn't mention the trade dispute on the article on the front page :huh:

[Iron_Stark]

We don't know if it's Dynamo or Whiplash. The trades are disputing the role Rourke is playing.

Don't know why people are talking about Omega Red, though :huh:

I was under the impression it was going to be an amalgam of both, Dynamo with electrical whips to not make him too similar to Monger.

Omega Red vs Iron Man on screen would be awesome.

Too bad it'll never happen.

[Chewy]

I was under the impression it was going to be an amalgam of both, Dynamo with electrical whips to not make him too similar to Monger.
It could end up being that, but we don't know. The two trades are each claiming he is playing a different villain.

[Figs]

We don't know if it's Dynamo or Whiplash. The trades are disputing the role Rourke is playing.

Don't know why people are talking about Omega Red, though :huh:


Personally I'm with the camp that says to make Rourke a combination of both Dynamo and Whiplash.

Give him his electric whip(there have been changes to whiplash over time much like any character, for people who don't know the comics that well. At one point he had a regular whip, then electric with handle, then there was a more Omega Red like version) and at some point have Rourke and Rockwell(if he is playing Hammer) decide they need something more to stop Iron Man so enter the Dynamo suit.

Not exactly like that but you get the idea.

[Rich Santoro]

It could be that Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo are both in the film, and the trades screwed it up... Maybe Rockwell is Whiplash.

I really don't want to se a Crimson Dynamo tweaked to resemble Whiplash.

[Figs]

It could be that Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo are both in the film, and the trades screwed it up... Maybe Rockwell is Whiplash.

I really don't want to se a Crimson Dynamo tweaked to resemble Whiplash.


Have you read the comics?

Crimson Dynamo is just a suit like Iron Man...but with a Russian guy/dude in it.

They could easily go this route and as a big fan I wouldn't be pissed in the slightest. Of all the comics I've read Whiplash was never that deep of an enemy to begin with anyways.

[Soap]

Awesome, awesome casting!!! :up:

[Chewy]

i am afraid that they casted Rourke for the cliche villain . the guy is capable at doing somethign grounbreaking.
That's who most of Iron Man's villains are. Doesn't mean his character is going to be written that way for the film.

[FaT_tONle]

Anyone competent in identifying a performance would be the first to admit that Bridges as Stane was not exactly his best work... again you don't go into these movies expecting someone's best acting performances. I am sure the performance will be solid enough... for entertainment purposes.

[Chewy]

Anyone competent in identifying a performance would be the first to admit that Bridges as Stane was not exactly his best work... again you don't go into these movies expecting someone's best acting performances. I am sure the performance will be solid enough... for entertainment purposes.
True, but it's hard to top The Dude :oldrazz:

[louiebling$]

Have you read the comics?

Crimson Dynamo is just a suit like Iron Man...but with a Russian guy/dude in it.

They could easily go this route and as a big fan I wouldn't be pissed in the slightest. Of all the comics I've read Whiplash was never that deep of an enemy to begin with anyways.

I agree and it just might add a lil more Flava to CD.

[hatebox]

Their characters sound a tad dull if I'm being honest (yet another battle of normal men in suits?), but I like Rourke and Rockwell enough to be more interested now than I was.

[Agent 194]

Cool! I'm digging that news.

[Colossal Spoons]

It could be that Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo are both in the film, and the trades screwed it up... Maybe Rockwell is Whiplash.

I really don't want to se a Crimson Dynamo tweaked to resemble Whiplash.

Rockwell is Justin Hammer

[Juha]

So the hottest name of the award season goes up against the man who was born to play Tony Stark. This should prove interesting.

And we also have Tim Robbins and Don Cheadle on board. Favreau sure isn't pulling any punches. Lovin' it!

[Rich Santoro]

Have you read the comics?

Crimson Dynamo is just a suit like Iron Man...but with a Russian guy/dude in it.

They could easily go this route and as a big fan I wouldn't be pissed in the slightest. Of all the comics I've read Whiplash was never that deep of an enemy to begin with anyways.

Yes... I have always thought that Whiplash / Blacklash is a lame villain. A whip (no matter how hi-tech) v. IM is bogus. Crymson Dynamo ought to be Hammer's attempt to top IM (or he has the Russian inventor on the payroll)... that may seem like a rip off of the plot that Stane had, but the difference would be that Dynamo is more agile and less hulking than Ironmonger (setting up the possiblilties a some kick-ass ariel battles) and is piloted by a real pilot (a cold-war era Soviet badass), instead of the inventor himself (as with IM). So Tony would actually be outmatched at first because Dynamo is a superior fighter, but Stark still has a better mouse-trap and is better at using it...

Making Dynamo use whips would sorely disappoint me (unless they are just an add on to a more complete armor... used for close-quarters, melee scenarios... that would be OK).

[Figs]

Yes... I have always thought that Whiplash / Blacklash is a lame villain. A whip (no matter how hi-tech) v. IM is bogus. Crymson Dynamo ought to be Hammer's attempt to top IM... that may seem like a rip off of of the plot that Stane had, but the difference could be that Dynamo is more agile and less hulking than Ironmonger (setting up the possiblilties a some kick-ass ariel battles) and is piloted by a real pilot, instead of the inventor himself (as with IM). So Tony could actually be outmatched at first because Dynamo is a superior fighter, but Stark still has a better mouse-trap and is better at using it...

Making Dynamo use whips would sorely disappoint me (unless they are just an add on to a more complete armor... used for close-quarters, mele scenarios... that would be OK).

Oh ok, now I see what your saying.

What I meant was that at first Rourke would be Whiplash from the comics and whatnot. Then as I said before, after him and Hammer realize they need something stronger/better to stop Iron Man Whiplash(Rourke)gets in the CD suit.

The thing I didn't realize from your previous post is that you thought I was saying to include the whips in CD's design.

I guess were on the same page somewhat, when I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to combine the characters I didn't mean give CD Whiplash's whip/s later on. Just that the man inside controlling CD would be Whiplash instead of the creator(Anton Vanko) or the other Russians who have worn it over the years.

[TheVileOne]

If Rourke is in it, I would kind of hope him to be Crimson Dynamo.

But weren't cold war Russian type of characters and villains dated? Isn't that why Emil Blonsky was made into British military in TIH?

[cerealkiller182]

Oh ok, now I see what your saying.

What I meant was that at first Rourke would be Whiplash from the comics and whatnot. Then as I said before, after him and Hammer realize they need something stronger/better to stop Iron Man Whiplash(Rourke)gets in the CD suit.

The thing I didn't realize from your previous post is that you thought I was saying to include the whips in CD's design.

I guess were on the same page somewhat, when I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to combine the characters I didn't mean give CD Whiplash's whip/s later on. Just that the man inside controlling CD would be Whiplash instead of the creator(Anton Vanko) or the other Russians who have worn it over the years.

^^^^^I think that is very probable

[Venom'sDad]

I think he will be Crimson Dynamo with Whiplash weapons included in his arsenal.

It may have been a planned mistake in reporting to build buzz and gauge public opinion.

[Rich Santoro]

Oh ok, now I see what your saying.

What I meant was that at first Rourke would be Whiplash from the comics and whatnot. Then as I said before, after him and Hammer realize they need something stronger/better to stop Iron Man Whiplash(Rourke)gets in the CD suit.

The thing I didn't realize from your previous post is that you thought I was saying to include the whips in CD's design.

I guess were on the same page somewhat, when I said it wouldn't be a bad idea to combine the characters I didn't mean give CD Whiplash's whip/s later on. Just that the man inside controlling CD would be Whiplash instead of the creator(Anton Vanko) or the other Russians who have worn it over the years.

Ah... I am with you on that. Like Rourke's character would be the "test pilot" for the vaious suits and gear that is devised... He would try it all out on IM at different times. That would be good.

Now on another matter... I love Sam Rockwell, but I am inclined to say that Terrance Stamp would have made a better eccentric multi-billionaire, industrialist, in the vein of the 616 Hammer. James woods would be good for a change up, to give Hammer the kind of wit and personality that squares off with RDJ. I am not feeling Rockwell for Hammer... but I would love to be surprised, because like I said, I love Rockwell.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Anyone competent in identifying a performance would be the first to admit that Bridges as Stane was not exactly his best work... again you don't go into these movies expecting someone's best acting performances. I am sure the performance will be solid enough... for entertainment purposes.Agreed.

I don't know s**t about Iron Man so it's interesting to you guys thoughts on the casting.

[Keyser Soze]

If Rourke is in it, I would kind of hope him to be Crimson Dynamo.

But weren't cold war Russian type of characters and villains dated? Isn't that why Emil Blonsky was made into British military in TIH?

I dunno, I'd say with the current political climate, Russian villains will be coming back into vogue...

[Rich Santoro]

If Rourke is in it, I would kind of hope him to be Crimson Dynamo.

But weren't cold war Russian type of characters and villains dated? Isn't that why Emil Blonsky was made into British military in TIH?

My understanding is that Roth was not keen on honing the accent, so they embellished making hima Brit.

As for cold war characters... why not a former Soviet... A former Soviet pilot merc'ing himself out to a weapons designer seems to make sense. He is looking for a pay-check, and his skills would be an asset to the weapons manufacturers. The story would not be about the Iron-curtain, or East v. West, or the struggle for democracy... it would just be a guy who likes to blow $h!t up.

[Figs]

Ah... I am with you on that. Like Rourke's character would be the "test pilot" for the vaious suits and gear that is devised... He would try it all out on IM at different times. That would be good.

Now on another matter... I love Sam Rockwell, but I am inclined to say that Terrance Stamp would have made a better eccentric multi-billionaire, industrialist, in the vein of the 616 Hammer. James woods would be good for a change up, to give Hammer the kind of wit and personality that squares off with RDJ. I am not feeling Rockwell for Hammer... but I would love to be surprised, because like I said, I love Rockwell.


Oh my god how I would have loved to see James Woods as Hammer going up against RDJ as Stark!

Both of them have that natural smartass attitude that would have been great to see on screen.

[Isildur´s Heir]

So, Whiplash ends on being Crimson Dynamo?
That´s stupid.

And Sam Rockwell as Hammer.
That´s just bad casting, Hammer is an old guy, Rockwell is not.

[Rich Santoro]

So, Whiplash ends on being Crimson Dynamo?
That´s stupid.

And Sam Rockwell as Hammer.
That´s just bad casting, Hammer is an old guy, Rockwell is not.

Well, Whiplash is really a uniform and gear (the whips). So, if the story were to follow the line of thinking that Figs articulated... then, while Whiplash would end in the movie, when the Rourke-character dons the CD suit, Whiplash would still be around in the sense that anyone can wear the outfit and use the whips...

I am with you on Rockwell. Not sure how it would work. I am hoping that the buzz is off the mark and Rockwell has some other role.

[Keyser Soze]

And Sam Rockwell as Hammer.
That´s just bad casting, Hammer is an old guy, Rockwell is not.

While it's a departure from the comics, I think Sam Rockwell could be a great Justin Hammer for the movieverse. Now, I don't mean this as a slight to Sam Rockwell, who I think is a great, sorely underrated actor. But I can immediately imagine him as a guy who wants to be Robert Downey Jr, but never will be, because he lacks the charm and the natural charisma. And that kind of imperfect mirror image dynamic, and the obsessive envy it could generate, makes for a compelling rival to Tony Stark, in my opinion.

[Iron_Stark]

I also agree that Rourke starts out as Whiplash and ends up being CD, it'll be stupid.

IMO Rockwall should be Professor Anton Vanko, design and wear the suit for a fight or two, realise he made a mistake join Stark Industries as a scientist and then have Rourke/Boris Turgenev steal the suit and become the second Crimson Dynamo. Just like in the comics.

[Keyser Soze]

Now I know I'm not the most qualified person to say this, as I have never really been into the Iron Man comics (though I intend to GET into them), but making some changes to the comics as pertains to the villains doesn't really worry me, if it means a stronger story. Elements of Stane were changed in the first film, and it didn't spell disaster. So if they want to make Justin Hammer younger, or alter Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash/whoever in order for the part to fit MICKEY F'N ROURKE, then that's fine by me.

[Chewy]

Now I know I'm not the most qualified person to say this, as I have never really been into the Iron Man comics (though I intend to GET into them), but making some changes to the comics as pertains to the villains doesn't really worry me, if it means a stronger story. Elements of Stane were changed in the first film, and it didn't spell disaster. So if they want to make Justin Hammer younger, or alter Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash/whoever in order for the part to fit MICKEY F'N ROURKE, then that's fine by me.
Agreed. Especially considering there have been a handful of different Whiplashes and more than a dozen Crimson Dynamos in the comics.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Great news! Crimson Dynamo? I've been waiting to see him on screen. Also, I'm very excited to see Hammer as well. :up:

[luke1234]

Great news! Crimson Dynamo? I've been waiting to see him on screen. Also, I'm very excited to see Hammer as well. :up:


Yeah i agree im pretty stoked to see this. Lets hope Rourke doesnt pull a Thomas Hayden Church though haha. Good oscar movie(Sideways), dissapointing blockbuster(spider-man3)

[Ironfan72]

I suspect Crimson Dynamo will be a henchmen to Justin Hammer, using Roxxon Corp tech based off of Stark tech.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yes... I have always thought that Whiplash / Blacklash is a lame villain. A whip (no matter how hi-tech) v. IM is bogus. Crymson Dynamo ought to be Hammer's attempt to top IM (or he has the Russian inventor on the payroll)... that may seem like a rip off of the plot that Stane had, but the difference would be that Dynamo is more agile and less hulking than Ironmonger (setting up the possiblilties a some kick-ass ariel battles) and is piloted by a real pilot (a cold-war era Soviet badass), instead of the inventor himself (as with IM). So Tony would actually be outmatched at first because Dynamo is a superior fighter, but Stark still has a better mouse-trap and is better at using it...

Making Dynamo use whips would sorely disappoint me (unless they are just an add on to a more complete armor... used for close-quarters, melee scenarios... that would be OK).

:up:They should just keep him as faithful as possible, lets see what a fully powered Iron Man can do against another armoured villain this time.

[DocHoliday]

AICN is saying that he is Crimson Dynamo. That is what their sources tell them at least.

[Ironfan72]

Now I know I'm not the most qualified person to say this, as I have never really been into the Iron Man comics (though I intend to GET into them), but making some changes to the comics as pertains to the villains doesn't really worry me, if it means a stronger story. Elements of Stane were changed in the first film, and it didn't spell disaster. So if they want to make Justin Hammer younger, or alter Crimson Dynamo/Whiplash/whoever in order for the part to fit MICKEY F'N ROURKE, then that's fine by me.

I think its ok to make changes to the characters, but not drastic changes, they made changes to both Rhodes and Stane in the first film. Rhodes never served in the Air Force, he was a Marine pilot, so that change was small, Stane on the other hand, owned his own company and was a business rival to Stark not a mentor, so while more drastic, it played well.
I think the same can be said for Hammer, if he needs to be 40 years younger than I believe as a Iron Man fan, I can handle that.

[Venom'sDad]

Do many of you really believe he would start off as Whiplash, than become CD? The two have very different personalities and motivations. I just don't see it. I just think Rourke is CD with some of WL arsenal.

[cerealkiller182]

Do many of you really believe he would start off as Whiplash, than become CD? The two have very different personalities and motivations. I just don't see it. I just think Rourke is CD with some of WL arsenal.

Its not about being two completely different characters but the concept of him having the whips and then upgrading to CD which is not unlike your last sentence.

[Venom'sDad]

OK... I see. That sorta make sense.

[TheVileOne]

I'd rather he be Dynamo or Whiplash if he's in it, one or the other, not a combination.

Also if Rourke is Whiplash, I hope he's the Gimp version. Who doesn't want to see Rourke in a gimp outfit?

[Figs]

Agreed. Especially considering there have been a handful of different Whiplashes and more than a dozen Crimson Dynamos in the comics.

Thank you!!

Do many of you really believe he would start off as Whiplash, than become CD? The two have very different personalities and motivations. I just don't see it. I just think Rourke is CD with some of WL arsenal.

I don't believe this as fact, just was saying I wouldn't mind if that's how they did it in the film.

Also, about your "the two have very different personalities"...read more of the comics or as ChewySpider pointed out there have been multiple Whiplashes and literally 10-12 different guys who have donned the CD armor.

So, 'fans' complaining that they weren't the same in the comics just annoys me because it's the usual fanboy attitude that nothing must be changed and if it is, it's impossible for it to be good or even better than the comics.

There were multiple Whiplashes' and once again 10-12(I think it was 11) people who donned the CD armor, so it's not like these characters were the same guy throughout the history of the comics. If they were then I could see why some would get mad. Then it would be like if they had not made Dr. Octopus Otto Octavius in Spider-man 2 and instead renamed him completely into this made for the movie character.

And as a side note, as before when I say make them the same character I don't mean give the CD armor the whips/tentacles. That I agree with, that it would be kind of lame.

[The Ace of Knaves]

Hey, Ace of Knaves, what is your avi a clip from? That is tripped out!

Natural Born Killers man. :up:

So the hottest name of the award season goes up against the man who was born to play Tony Stark. This should prove interesting.

And we also have Tim Robbins and Don Cheadle on board. Favreau sure isn't pulling any punches. Lovin' it!

Tim Robbins? I didn't know he was gonna be in it. He is a brilliant actor. :up:

[Chris B]

Nice bit of casting. I think Rourke is playing the Crimson Dynamo and I subscribe to the notion that perhaps they plan on having electric whips being part of the suit's arsenal.

Rockwell playing Justin Hammer works for me. For the sake of faithfulness to the comics, I wouldn't have mind him being a much older character. But reinventing him to be Stark's contemporary is something that I can see the potential in.

[fletch1076]

I went to Wikipedia to do some research on Crimson, The only mention of the name Ivan is for ivan Petrovich the farther of the 4th Crimson, but what was interesting is that he was partners with the Black Widow. This could be a good way to introduce her. I also agree coils will probably be part of the suit. No way Rouke is running around in this film looking like a swashbuckler with metal coils

[Doctor Jones]

Hmm. So I guess they'll bring Mandarin in number 3 huh? Cool they're holding back on him. I guess they're really gonna follow the Demon in a Bottle story with Hammer included in there.

[TheVileOne]

Natural Born Killers man. :up:



Tim Robbins? I didn't know he was gonna be in it. He is a brilliant actor. :up:
It'll be nice to see Tim Robbins return to his roots.

[The Ace of Knaves]

I only realized last night, but Tim Robbins was in Top Gun as well!

[Venom'sDad]

It'll be nice to see Tim Robbins return to his roots.

As what... flashbacks? :hehe:

[TheVileOne]

No, his roots of Marvel comic movies.

[fu manchu]

Rockwell playing Justin Hammer works for me. For the sake of faithfulness to the comics, I wouldn't have mind him being a much older character. But reinventing him to be Stark's contemporary is something that I can see the potential in.

I thought Justin Hammer should be played by someone older but I have faith in both Rockwell and Favreau's direction that their portrayal would be awesome.

[haephestus]

Excellent casting.

And cool inclusion of "comic book" villains. I hope Hammer isn't a re-tread of Stane's story-line in the first movie (although it doesn't sound as though it will be given Hammer will be younger and doesn't wear a metal suit of his own).

Crimson Dynamo is excellent. As others have suggested, it may be that Whiplash's "whips/coils" are incorporated into the movie-verse's "Crimson Dynamo" design. That would be fine by me and may help to differentiate the "other" metal suit's "offensive" powers from Stark's suit.

Hoping that the female role they're looking to cast is Black Widow. I'm guessing Nick Fury may task her to be the intermediary between Stark and SHIELD (knowing Stark's weakness for attractive women). I was hopeful that Hilary Swank's long rumoured cameo in the first movie was as Black Widow, but from the casting slides it sounds as though they're aiming for someone younger. Whoever ends up in the role (whatever the role is), I'm sure Favreau will do well considering all his other casting achievements.

Cannot wait for this movie!

Cheers.

[Double Down]

From Quint at Aint It Cool:

"And about who he is playing, if everything my sources inside Paramount have been telling me over the last few months is right, then Variety's assertion that he'll be playing Crimson Dynamo is the right one. I can at least say I've not once heard Whiplash mentioned as a possibility and if you listen to Favreau's statements about the villains coming out of today's headlines then the Russians certainly make more sense than a disgruntled Stark Industries applicant."

There's more at this link:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39694

[The Ace of Knaves]

I knew it would be Crimson Dynamo, I just knew it! :up:

[Venom'sDad]

I think we all knew that... some just reading more into it. I still think however, it could have been a planned mistake to create buzz and gauge fan-boy opinion.

[.Rorschach.]

Cannot wait to see the concepts for the costume.Someone should start a thread...see what kind of ideas we come up with:)

[fu manchu]

I knew it would be Crimson Dynamo, I just knew it! :up:

I don't think comments from Quint at Aint It Cool is confirmation that Rourke will definitely play Crimson. I would wait til Marvel and/or Favreau confirms it. btw, I think it will be Crimson. I don't like idea of Whiplash.

Cannot wait to see the concepts for the costume.Someone should start a thread...see what kind of ideas we come up with:)
why don't you do it?

[Keyser Soze]

Crimson Dynamo sounds good to me. Now, my knowledge on Iron Man villains is fuzzy, but at first I was thinking of Crimson Dynamo as that huge, hulking Russian anti-Iron Man, hence me worrying about the Iron Monger similarities. But on further consideration, I believe I was actually thinking about Titanium Man.

So, for those in the know.... what exactly sets Crimson Dynamo apart from Titanium Man?

[The Ace of Knaves]

He's red? :hehe:

I'm not too familiar with Ironman lore either, but am I right in saying that there has been about 10 different Crimson Dynamo's?

[Keyser Soze]

He's red? :hehe:

I'm not too familiar with Ironman lore either, but am I right in saying that there has been about 10 different Crimson Dynamo's?

I'd tentatively mark that down as 11. Inevitably in 2010 we'll see Crimson Dynamo return to the Invincible Iron Man comic, probably with Mickey Rourke's reported Russian arms dealer character being ushered into Marvel continuity.

[Chewy]

He's smaller and he shoots electricity out of his armor instead of regular energy blasts.

And there's a few more than 11, I believe. Especially if we're counting alternate universes.

[Keyser Soze]

Just an idea, but perhaps rather than going the "bigger is better" route Stane went with his Iron Monger outfit, we'll see Crimson Dynamo take the T-1000 approach of streamlining Stark's design. A possible introduction of the Extremis armor?

Then again, if you're casting a big bruiser like Mickey Rourke in the role, the idea of him being a sleeker model might have some trouble flying.

[Chewy]

Also, THR is generally reliable and I doubt they pulled "deadly, technologically enhanced coils" out of their asses, so I'm thinking there's something to the idea of him starting out as Whiplash, an associate of Justin Hammer's, and eventually donning the Crimson Dynamo armor.

[kedrell]

I believe both CD & TM have had several wearers for their armors.

[The Ace of Knaves]

Maybe the whips will have electricity running through them? He could get a whip around Tony, then send pulses of electricity through them.

[Keyser Soze]

He's smaller and he shoots electricity out of his armor instead of regular energy blasts.

You sure about that? :cwink:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/CrimsonDynamo1.jpg

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a108/JokerSoze/CrimsonDynamo2.jpg

[Leto]

Just an idea, but perhaps rather than going the "bigger is better" route Stane went with his Iron Monger outfit, we'll see Crimson Dynamo take the T-1000 approach of streamlining Stark's design. A possible introduction of the Extremis armor?

Then again, if you're casting a big bruiser like Mickey Rourke in the role, the idea of him being a sleeker model might have some trouble flying.

What on earth are you talking about? The Extremis armor is one of the bulkiest armors Stark has ever had.

The Mark III armor Tony already has in the movie is based off the Extremis Armor look for just that reason. It looks "real."

I expect the crimson dynamo armro will eb blood red and intimidating.

[Keyser Soze]

What on earth are you talking about? The Extremis armor is one of the bulkiest armors Stark has ever had.

The Mark III armor Tony already has in the movie is based off the Extremis Armor look for just that reason. It looks "real."

I expect the crimson dynamo armro will eb blood red and intimidating.

I meant in terms of much of the armor being stored inside the hollows of his bones, allowing him to carry the rest in a suitcase. But it was just a suggestion, one I pretty much dismissed by the end of my original post anyway.

[Chewy]

You sure about that? :cwink:
Relatively speaking :cwink:

Hey, you asked how he was different from Titanium Man.

[kedrell]

Well as far as I know TM(the original one at least) needed larger armor since the guy himself was a huge 7ft tall guy. CD never was like that.

[Chewy]

I believe both CD & TM have had several wearers for their armors.
The Titanium Man armor has had (I believe) 3 wearers whereas CD has had a dozen or so wearers.

[SurfDUI]

I think the original Dynamo was Widow's husband - right??
Some 616 expert:cwink:

[Hulkfan2008!]

dont know if this has been posted or not but its somthing different than whats been going around. it states rourke may be whiplash.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i41ac0111ebdf3010eccb9bf50d4158e4

[Chewy]

I think the original Dynamo was Widow's husband - right??
Some 616 expert:cwink:
I believe that was Red Guardian

dont know if this has been posted or not but its somthing different than whats been going around. it states rourke may be whiplash.

That's basically what the entire discussion in this thread is about :cwink:

[TheVileOne]

If it's Whiplash, I hope it's the gimp Whiplash costume :D .

Who wouldn't want to see Rourke in a gimp mask?

But . . .

my money's on living laser, blizzard, and whirlwind :D .

[Keyser Soze]

I bet after all this, Mickey Rourke will end up being Madame Masque.

[Chewy]

Rourke is the Titanic Three

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2319/titanicthree1dm6.jpg

[Venom'sDad]

I bet after all this, Mickey Rourke will end up being Madame Masque.

:funny:

[Keyser Soze]

Rourke is the Titanic Three

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2319/titanicthree1dm6.jpg

Well that proves your claim that Titanium Man is much bigger. :woot:

[Chewy]

It also proves the claim that most supervillain team-ups are incredibly lame.

[DarkSuperman]

It also proves the claim that most supervillain team-ups are incredibly lame.

Hahaha! Clearly you are forgetting the Frightful Four, my friend! :woot:

http://www.samruby.com/OtherTitles/FantasticFour/Large/FantasticFour036.jpg

[FaT_tONle]

Marvel will always throw out multiple rumors to throw people off... at the end of the day... stick with the most likely choice, usually the one first reported... that would be Crimson Dynamo. They did the same BS with the cameos in IM and TIH.

[Venom'sDad]

^ Exactly... that's the same point I was trying to make. :up:

[bunk]

Wasn't Crimson Dynamo in an earlier script for the first movie at some point?

[Chewy]

^ Yep. He was replaced by Iron Monger and then Mandarin eventually got dropped, leaving Obadiah the sole villain.

[CHEZ]

In the making of featurette they kept referring to Iron Monger as Crimson Dynamo, so the chances of it being him in IM2 are high based on that as well. It was clearly the original idea.

Mickey Rourke playing a Russian though would be a bit strange. I am sure he can pull it off, but it will be weird hearing him do the accent.

[louiebling$]

The Behind the scenes name for this film is rasputin... its pretty obvious.

[TheVileOne]

I just want again to say, if it comes to be, I'm in full support of Mickey Rourke as Whiplash, provided it's the gimp mask version.

Gimp Mask Whiplash:

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Whiplash_002.jpg

http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Whiplash_003.jpg

Don't tell me Mickey Rourke in an outfit like that wouldn't make BO dollars.

[Spider-Vader]

I like the idea of BW being an under-cover agent for Fury better than her being a villain. I definately think Hawkeye should be more of a cameo at the end, like Stark in TIH. Maybe Fury introduces the two & tells them both about Thor.

[TheVileOne]

For Ultimate Black Widow, in case anyone's forgotten, she turned out to be a spy for the aliens and also murdered Jarvis. But not before making lots of sex tapes with Tony Stark. They even got engaged.

[TwilightPro101]

I like the idea of BW being an under-cover agent for Fury better than her being a villain. I definately think Hawkeye should be more of a cameo at the end, like Stark in TIH. Maybe Fury introduces the two & tells them both about Thor.

Like that possibility.

[Chewy]

For Ultimate Black Widow, in case anyone's forgotten, she turned out to be a spy for the aliens and also murdered Jarvis. But not before making lots of sex tapes with Tony Stark. They even got engaged.
And he gave her a suit of armor that she wore for a little bit.

[Hunter Rider]

And he gave her a suit of armor that she wore for a little bit.

:eek: Pics ?