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.Rorschach.
01-08-2009, 10:39 PM
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x16/againstme111/trannie2.jpg

I love the look of it:)Tell me your thoughts:trans:

Sawyer
01-08-2009, 10:41 PM
OMFG, awesome!

.Rorschach.
01-08-2009, 10:42 PM
I think I saw this picture in the official pictures forum,but thought it could use its own.Delete it if you see fit:)

Boom
01-08-2009, 10:55 PM
So....is that Megatron or Fallen or someone else?

cosmicherosa
01-08-2009, 11:00 PM
Tweaked, someone new:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/cosmicherosa/transrotftease.jpg

DorkyFresh
01-08-2009, 11:04 PM
holy flaming rice beans...i just bout shat my pants!!! he kinda reminds me of Blackheart, hehe.

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/4/4a/Blackheart3.jpg/440px-Blackheart3.jpg

Marvin
01-08-2009, 11:06 PM
looks like Christian Bale

LightningFlash
01-08-2009, 11:08 PM
So....is that Megatron or Fallen or someone else?

I say Fallen, but you can tell this movie will be a whole lot darker already.

cosmicherosa
01-08-2009, 11:14 PM
http://lordoftheringsonline.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lotr-sauron.jpg

Avangarde
01-08-2009, 11:15 PM
Kinda looks like Sauron from Lord of the Rings.

Edit: Dammit Cosmic, you bet me :cmad:

DorkyFresh
01-08-2009, 11:16 PM
if it's the Fallen.....THEY'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG! he doesn't look like that......he looks like this!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/Fallen-warwithin.jpg









:oldrazz::cwink::word::trans:

.Rorschach.
01-08-2009, 11:16 PM
I am guessing the Fallen

Avangarde
01-08-2009, 11:17 PM
Flames

.Rorschach.
01-08-2009, 11:19 PM
Some folks on the official picture thread were saying it could be Jetfire.

LightningFlash
01-08-2009, 11:20 PM
if it's the Fallen.....THEY'VE GOT IT ALL WRONG! he doesn't look like that......he looks like this!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/Fallen-warwithin.jpg









:oldrazz::cwink::word::trans:

Does Bay use blocks? Nope.

And it's only a head or a design.

Not the whole frickin' robot.

DorkyFresh
01-08-2009, 11:46 PM
please note the smilies at the bottom of my post.

starscream
01-09-2009, 12:59 AM
:wow:

/film thinks its Jetfire :D :D :D :D

That-Guy
01-09-2009, 01:10 AM
Not sure who it is, but it's definitely cool. What I'm curious about is how it's definitely a head but I'm not sure about what's surrounding it. It looks to me like maybe this character is imprisoned in some sort of contraption and is just waking up. Anyone else think it looks this way?

Silver Knight
01-09-2009, 02:00 AM
It could be fake guys..

esparza_will
01-09-2009, 02:29 AM
someone beat me to it, but you def. get a better view at the bot when you brighten the colors[

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g175/esparza_will/Untitled.jpg

spider_man_2
01-09-2009, 02:35 AM
Maybe I'm the only one, but looking at the poster I get the impression that whoever that is, most likely the Fallen, is wearing the robotic equivalent of a pharaoh headpiece (the segments running down either side of its head), which would tie in nicely with the ancient Egypt theme of the movie.

Silver Knight
01-09-2009, 02:40 AM
We dont know if its legit yet guys.

The Avatar
01-09-2009, 03:04 AM
What the hell do you keep going on about? This is the official teaser poster revealed by Yahoo! Movies. I swear you are one of the worst users on the Transformers forum.

nightwing06
01-09-2009, 03:41 AM
It would be great if Megatron returned with this dark look

Timstuff
01-09-2009, 03:57 AM
FREAKING AWESOME!

BTW, I think it's obvious what the poster is supposed to resemble.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8130/lgfp1849decepticoninsigjx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Rabid Badger
01-09-2009, 04:14 AM
FREAKING AWESOME!

BTW, I think it's obvious what the poster is supposed to resemble.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8130/lgfp1849decepticoninsigjx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Yeah I totally agree... so this logo for the decepticons, is actually the face of the Fallen.

macdawson
01-09-2009, 04:39 AM
FREAKING AWESOME!

BTW, I think it's obvious what the poster is supposed to resemble.

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/8130/lgfp1849decepticoninsigjx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

My thoughts exactly. If you look at the whole pic without focusing on all the detail you have the decepticon symbol.
My second impression was that it looked like Barricade but after seing the tweaked pic it's definitely someone else. But YEAH, the decepticon symbol is part of the concept.
Wonder if they'll make one based on the autobot symbol, too!!

Brick
01-09-2009, 05:53 AM
Maybe I'm the only one, but looking at the poster I get the impression that whoever that is, most likely the Fallen, is wearing the robotic equivalent of a pharaoh headpiece (the segments running down either side of its head), which would tie in nicely with the ancient Egypt theme of the movie.
That's what i thought when i first saw it. :up:

He-Man
01-09-2009, 06:41 AM
:up: Cool poster

cosmicherosa
01-09-2009, 08:53 AM
It's the Fallen. It's not Jetfire or anyone else we have seen.

Avangarde
01-09-2009, 10:28 AM
please note the smilies at the bottom of my post.

Some people just looking for hate :csad:

sandmjuggalos
01-09-2009, 10:46 AM
I'm going with The Fallen. Note the symbols on each side of him running down. It does look like a pharaoh's headpiece. Interesting. Also, I was looking at the comic pic of Megs bowing down to the monolith with the face on it, and noticed it has some of the same symbols that are on the teaser poster.

jnmx2000
01-09-2009, 11:43 AM
this was posted on another site. I think this is a pretty logically explanation of this character, most likely the fallen.

Set - Egyptian God of Chaos

Egyptian god of chaos who embodied the principle of hostility if not of outright evil. He was associated with foreign lands and was the adversary of the god Osiris. Seth was usually depicted in human form with a head of indeterminate origin, though said to resemble that of an aardvark. He had a curved snout, erect square- tipped ears and a long forked tail. Sometimes he was represented in entirely animal form with a body similar to that of a greyhound.

this person thinks fallen is this god. which would explain the egyptian set pieces and the pyramids. I like this idea, alot, I hope it's true.

Boom
01-09-2009, 11:44 AM
Whatever robot it is, it looks ****ing sweet as hell. That's indisputable

That-Guy
01-09-2009, 11:57 AM
Hmm, yeah I forgot about those set photos of Egypt. Yeah, that would make sense... Fallen probably crash-landed in Egypt centuries ago and set himself up as a god, then got his ass kicked by Prime or whoever and was incapacitated... until now. :)

Dr Lee
01-09-2009, 12:45 PM
there's a claim on TFW that this is the fallen and that we will be getitng at least 2 more posters during Feb... one of Prime and the other of Jetfire.

not seen anythig to back up this claim tho.... guess we'll have to wait and see....

S.A.A.D.
01-09-2009, 01:23 PM
For the people who think the teaser poster is fake,it isn't,if you go to one of the threads at Bay's shootfortheedit site,he even acknowledge's that the teaser poster is official by saying revenge is coming.


http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum...ead.php?t=3323 (http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3323)

Okay it's time to turn up the heat on Transformers - Revenge of the Fallen. We've waited low in the weeds letting all the summer movies get their stuff out. We've seen the great year end movies, and watched the upcoming clips of the upcoming summer fare. We've seen certain movies coming out even try to duplicate Transformer size robots in their ads. Please, come on.

Well, I promise you we will rock your world with Transformers 2. The fans wanted ROBOTS KICKING ASS - well we got it. Today we are releasing the teaser poster and soon the onslaught will continue with a steady drum beat until June 26th.

I'll keep you informed.

Bay

cosmicherosa
01-09-2009, 01:26 PM
Thanks S.A.A.D. However, we know this.

Mulanzo
01-09-2009, 03:01 PM
With all the things coming out the side of the head, and the way they get shorter near the top, it looks like a Pharaoh's Headdress. The Fallen is the Eqyptian God Anubis!

edit... somebody's mentioned it already. Ah well.

dark_b
01-09-2009, 03:15 PM
Hmm, yeah I forgot about those set photos of Egypt. Yeah, that would make sense... Fallen probably crash-landed in Egypt centuries ago and set himself up as a god, then got his ass kicked by Prime or whoever and was incapacitated... until now. :)i dont like the idea that OP was on earth before.

LightningFlash
01-09-2009, 04:39 PM
We dont know if its legit yet guys.

And you can keep thinking that.

Yeah I totally agree... so this logo for the decepticons, is actually the face of the Fallen.

That's what I think; it's the Fallen, and that Fallen could be the first-ever Decepticon.

I've been thinking though, maybe this Fallen's story has nothing to do with Unicron.

Golgo-13
01-09-2009, 04:55 PM
Let the drum beat begin.......

TheVelvetOnion
01-09-2009, 09:04 PM
its already been confirmed who it is, its Soundwave... although not how i would of pictured him but...

.Rorschach.
01-09-2009, 09:05 PM
Where was it confirmed?

LightningFlash
01-09-2009, 09:09 PM
Yah; I didn't know it was confirmed, lol.

BS on your behalf.

Dr Lee
01-09-2009, 09:55 PM
I was told it was the fallen and that there were two more posters in the pipeline for Prime and Jetfire

jnmx2000
01-09-2009, 11:57 PM
I was told it was the fallen and that there were two more posters in the pipeline for Prime and Jetfire

he's right, prime and jetfire are to follow this teaser. and this one is the fallen.

mclay18
01-10-2009, 12:59 AM
It looks like a one-sheet for a horror movie.

Oh wait, it is. Never mind.

Boom
01-10-2009, 01:54 AM
Is it just me or does this Transformer bear a resemblance to the Anubis?

Psykoelf
01-10-2009, 02:42 AM
Hmm, yeah I forgot about those set photos of Egypt. Yeah, that would make sense... Fallen probably crash-landed in Egypt centuries ago and set himself up as a god, then got his ass kicked by Prime or whoever and was incapacitated... until now. :)

Interesting, but isn't that sort of rehashing Megatron's story from the first movie a bit? The big bad leaves Cybertron, crashes on Earth however many millenia ago and gets released in the modern age. I like the Egyptian link, but hopefully the story is different if that's the case.

Golgo-13
01-10-2009, 10:42 AM
I hope the poster to come is of the alledged Prime/Jetfire comblo (eventhough i'm not thrilled about that plot device) as opposed to one pic of Prime and one of Jetfire. Everyone knows what Prime looks like; if they're gonna release pics, it should be of NEW characters....

AVEITWITHJAMON
01-10-2009, 11:02 AM
Interesting, but isn't that sort of rehashing Megatron's story from the first movie a bit? The big bad leaves Cybertron, crashes on Earth however many millenia ago and gets released in the modern age. I like the Egyptian link, but hopefully the story is different if that's the case.

It would explain sort of why the Allsaprk came to Earth of all planets though, maybe it was drawn to The Fallen somehow.

Also, if this is The Fallen's design, colour me happy.

Watson
01-10-2009, 11:07 AM
That is a sweet poster. And if that stuff about Egypt is true I think this should be fairly entertaining :up:

.Rorschach.
01-10-2009, 11:08 AM
Looking forward to this movie more,and more:)

1000th post:D

Venom
01-10-2009, 11:43 AM
Now I just need to see flame erupt from between the cracks of the fallen's face plate.

dark_b
01-10-2009, 11:46 AM
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16242178&postcount=2584
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5625/tfdestinydefiance01lb9dn3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8944/58219844uw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

.Rorschach.
01-10-2009, 11:50 AM
Great picture

starscream
01-10-2009, 12:02 PM
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16242178&postcount=2584
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5625/tfdestinydefiance01lb9dn3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8944/58219844uw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://www.freemyspacegraphics.com/Graphics/Funny_Animations/images/60.gif

November Rain
01-10-2009, 12:11 PM
who is that megatron is talking to?

Bayless
01-10-2009, 12:43 PM
assumed the fallen who from this angle ENTIRELY resembles the Decepticon logo. thats a damn genius idea if thats what they're goin for. make The Fallen esssentiall the O.G. Decepticon

The Caped Knight
01-10-2009, 01:18 PM
tweaked, someone new:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/cosmicherosa/transrotftease.jpg

whoa !!!!!!!!!!!

The Caped Knight
01-10-2009, 01:22 PM
http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=16242178&postcount=2584
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5625/tfdestinydefiance01lb9dn3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8944/58219844uw3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

megatron !!!!!!!!!!!!

LightningFlash
01-10-2009, 01:39 PM
Still say it's the Fallen. And that Fallen is essentially the first Decepticon.

sandmjuggalos
01-10-2009, 01:57 PM
I like where this seems to be going. Fallen being the first Decepticon? Fully awesome.

Golgo-13
01-10-2009, 02:54 PM
So Megatron is worshipping the Fallen...me likes!

But i've always thought that Megatron was the kinda TF that likes to be the 'all powerful one' so it's gonna be interesting to see how Megs and The Fallens relationship is in the movie.

AVEITWITHJAMON
01-10-2009, 03:22 PM
^Megatron and The Fallen never met in the War Within storyline so I hope to see a confrontation with them in the movie. Maybe even a fight were Megatron begins to worship The Fallen after he is defeated by him. THAT would be awesome.

dark_b
01-10-2009, 04:09 PM
yeah thats the fallen in the poster IMO. the head matchec almost 90%.

dark_b
01-10-2009, 04:10 PM
So Megatron is worshipping the Fallen...me likes!

But i've always thought that Megatron was the kinda TF that likes to be the 'all powerful one' so it's gonna be interesting to see how Megs and The Fallens relationship is in the movie.maybe he will open some doors in the pic. maybe he fakes that he likes him :grin:

jnmx2000
01-10-2009, 05:51 PM
Is it just me or does this Transformer bear a resemblance to the Anubis?

some people think this character is supposed to be the explanation of the egyptian god set. so yes, he's supposed to look like that.

and the posters to follow aren't of the combined optimus and jetfire, it's one of optimus, and one of jetfire. TWO posters, not one.

HUMAN
01-10-2009, 06:22 PM
The new teaser poster looks like a robotic version of Sauron.

LightningFlash
01-10-2009, 08:03 PM
So Megatron is worshipping the Fallen...me likes!

But i've always thought that Megatron was the kinda TF that likes to be the 'all powerful one' so it's gonna be interesting to see how Megs and The Fallens relationship is in the movie.

It would make sense for Megatron to be worshipping the Fallen, if Fallen IS the very first Decepticon. Megatron might want to be 'all powerful' to become just like Fallen, or better.

some people think this character is supposed to be the explanation of the egyptian god set. so yes, he's supposed to look like that.

and the posters to follow aren't of the combined optimus and jetfire, it's one of optimus, and one of jetfire. TWO posters, not one.

Well, Orci did say the symbols found in Egypt will have a tie-in with the Transformers. So having Anubis be much like Fallen with the design seems VERY interesting, imo.

And I wouldn't want to see the combine Prime/Jetfire yet. Leave that for the movie.

The new teaser poster looks like a robotic version of Sauron.

LOTR suck.

Psykoelf
01-10-2009, 08:35 PM
It would explain sort of why the Allsaprk came to Earth of all planets though, maybe it was drawn to The Fallen somehow.

Also, if this is The Fallen's design, colour me happy.


I put the Allspark crashing on Earth as a random incident. I'm not all that familiar with the Fallen (IDW's stuff made me step out of TF for a while, but I'm back and catching up), but he does sound very cool. If he was on Earth the whole time, I wonder if it'll be explained how he came to be 'trapped'?

marcvader
01-10-2009, 08:45 PM
Liking this poster alot. Would make for a neat tshirt.

Neto Magnus
01-10-2009, 11:23 PM
I think it looks like King Tut.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4568/tutdm2910468x730ho3.jpg

Vile
01-11-2009, 01:15 AM
Liking this poster alot. Would make for a neat tshirt.


I was just thinking the same thing!

sto_vo_kor_2000
01-11-2009, 03:10 AM
^Megatron and The Fallen never met in the War Within storyline so I hope to see a confrontation with them in the movie. Maybe even a fight were Megatron begins to worship The Fallen after he is defeated by him. THAT would be awesome.

But that wouldnt make sence.....at least not for the way Megatron has been written over the bast 25 years.

Megatron has been defeated a number of times and not once did Megatron ever begin to worship the one who beat him.

I can accept Megatron worshiping the Fallen as a God or the first Decepticon but not because the Fallen beats him.

TheVelvetOnion
01-11-2009, 11:04 AM
Its soundwave trust me...!

LightningFlash
01-11-2009, 02:19 PM
I can accept Megatron worshiping the Fallen as a God or the first Decepticon but not because the Fallen beats him.

That's what I'm thinking; that Megatron is worshipping someone that is powerful than Megs himself.

Its soundwave trust me...!

If it was Soundwave, it should be saying "VENGEANCE is coming".

Asteroid-Man
01-11-2009, 07:29 PM
Tweaked, someone new:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/cosmicherosa/transrotftease.jpg
It's the transformer "Anubis" Look at the head, the ears and the "egyptian crown head piece" around his head. They go to EGYPT too, remember?

Flip Of A Coin
01-11-2009, 10:36 PM
This movie is going to kick-ass! I am going to wait in line for two days if I have to so I can see it. And if they made that poster into a T-Shirt, it would be a license to print money. :trans:

icekid
01-11-2009, 10:43 PM
Omg you beat me to it. I barely ever log on here but I just had to say that after taking a closer look at the enhanced picture and definetly ANUBIS jumps in my head. Notice the doglike nose feature, lack of a mouth or even a mouthplate like allll the others, curved crown which explains the stripes on the side and sort of getting more narrow towards the top. Anubis explains the Egypt connection it's role in transformers (and perhaps earth's) history.

Avangarde
01-12-2009, 07:07 AM
Oh goody, Transformers is going Stargate on us.




:whatever:

AVEITWITHJAMON
01-12-2009, 07:57 AM
But that wouldnt make sence.....at least not for the way Megatron has been written over the bast 25 years.

Megatron has been defeated a number of times and not once did Megatron ever begin to worship the one who beat him.

I can accept Megatron worshiping the Fallen as a God or the first Decepticon but not because the Fallen beats him.

Ha-hhhmmm, Unicron? Yeah, he didnt worship him but he did his bidding, at least for a time. I would love if Megatron worshipped The Fallen, then at the end betrayed him, THAT would be classic Megatron.

sto_vo_kor_2000
01-12-2009, 08:11 AM
Ha-hhhmmm, Unicron? Yeah, he didnt worship him but he did his bidding, at least for a time.

Because he was made a slave not because he considered Unicron his better.

And BTW thats a lame comparison.

He conspired against Unicron and openly defied him from the very beginning

B4rr1c4de
01-12-2009, 10:04 AM
Just found this somewhere on the inter-web :

http://i39.tinypic.com/24fbfgi.jpg

DorkyFresh
01-12-2009, 09:45 PM
here's a better one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/fallenlogo.jpg

Darkness Falls
01-13-2009, 01:08 AM
^^
hate to point out the obvious

But Decepticon Symbol :)

shigsy2003
01-13-2009, 01:13 AM
Yep the poster is very cool and it is without a doubt the Fallen. I like how they are tying the Transformers in with Earth history and it also gives the Decepticons a lot more depth.

Oh I am not sure if any of you have read the new Empire mag but Bay is quoted as saying that Megatron WON'T be in the movie. The baddies are Devastator and the Fallen. We may get a little tagged on scene at the end where Soundwave resurrects Megatron but that will probably be it. Also Empire noted that Prime was missing in Egypt, which led them to assume he may die in the film. Now that would suck.

The Caped Knight
01-13-2009, 01:15 AM
here's a better one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/fallenlogo.jpg

I guess we can expect Optimus headshot poster will have the autobots emblem to match Fallen's Decepticon emblem :trans:

dark_b
01-13-2009, 05:14 AM
here's a better one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/Geijutsuka/SHH%20stuff/fallenlogo.jpgi dont know. you could do that for almost every decepticon.

DorkyFresh
01-13-2009, 09:02 AM
not really.

dark_b
01-13-2009, 09:54 AM
then why ignore the red part in the middle of hes forehead. ?

AVEITWITHJAMON
01-13-2009, 11:43 AM
Yep the poster is very cool and it is without a doubt the Fallen. I like how they are tying the Transformers in with Earth history and it also gives the Decepticons a lot more depth.

Oh I am not sure if any of you have read the new Empire mag but Bay is quoted as saying that Megatron WON'T be in the movie. The baddies are Devastator and the Fallen. We may get a little tagged on scene at the end where Soundwave resurrects Megatron but that will probably be it. Also Empire noted that Prime was missing in Egypt, which led them to assume he may die in the film. Now that would suck.


Hopefully this is all untrue, as no Megatron and Prime dying would be too early for me, maybe at a stretch the 3rd could do this stuff, but personally, I was hoping they would be holding off doing stuff like this until the 4th movie.

DorkyFresh
01-13-2009, 11:54 AM
then why ignore the red part in the middle of hes forehead. ?
cuz the Decepticon symbol doesn't have it???

it's not a perfect match, but it's definitely enough to see that his face was based on the Decepticon symbol. if you try to do the same thing with Starscream or Megatron, i guarantee it won't match up quite as well.

LightningFlash
01-13-2009, 01:45 PM
I guess we can expect Optimus headshot poster will have the autobots emblem to match Fallen's Decepticon emblem :trans:

Good guess. That will most likely happen.

It would also match with the "Destiny" sequel prequel; Alliance-Autobots, Defiance-Decepticons.

icekid
01-13-2009, 03:31 PM
http://images.elfwood.com/art/a/d/adarabuell/anubis.jpg
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y191/cosmicherosa/transrotftease.jpg

egypt mystery SOLVED
next..

LightningFlash
01-13-2009, 07:56 PM
That was already stated. And most obvious.

AVEITWITHJAMON
01-14-2009, 08:36 AM
Because he was made a slave not because he considered Unicron his better.

And BTW thats a lame comparison.

He conspired against Unicron and openly defied him from the very beginning

I dont think it is a lame comparison, and I dont remember him conspiring against Unicron from the start, he obviously knew Unicron was his better as whenever Unicron racked him with pain he did his bidding.

Anyway, a lot was changed in the first movie, something like this happening in the 2nd isnt out of the realms of possibility. I also think it would immediatly set The Fallen up as a major threat if he beat Megatron in seconds.

sto_vo_kor_2000
01-14-2009, 09:08 AM
I dont think it is a lame comparison, and I dont remember him conspiring against Unicron from the start, he obviously knew Unicron was his better as whenever Unicron racked him with pain he did his bidding.

And why did Unicron rack him with pain.....because he questioned him,he defied him.

Remember Galvatrons words to him

Galvatron:"how dare Unicron????Cybertron and all its moons belong to me"

Scourge: "Remember we blong to him

Galvatron "I belong to nobody"

Sorry but Galvatron never believe that Unicron was his better.

And I thought you knew your G1 characters better then that:whatever:

All of that was right after he was changed into Galvatron so yes its from the begining.

So its a bad comparison trying to equate Megatron worshiping "The Fallen with Galvatron view on Unicron.

AnorexicBatman
01-28-2009, 06:25 AM
There is an anubis transformer now?
OMG! It is teh Ravage alternate form...