The Harry Potter Thread!

[Matt]

Won't be a book section without a thread on Potter. Come one, come all. Discuss all things Potter!

[Sawyer]

"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU *****!"

:up::up:

[.Rorschach.]

Pretty good series:)

[Matt]

:lmao: That is the greatest line ever. Mrs. Weasley is bad ass. That whole chapter is bad ass.

I know a lot of people were disappointed that Neville did not kill Bellatrix, but not me. Neville never would've lasted a second against Bellatrix. In fact, I am a bit disappointed that Neville did not die. It would've been epic if Neville finds Bellatrix during the final battle for their expected show down that fans have been hyping up since book 4, only to have Bellatrix kill him with one quick avada kedavra. It would've felt so realistically and darkly anti-climactic and would've worked perfectly, in my opinion.

[chamber-music]

great idea to finally get a seperate book/music section

I'm curious about the British to American translation.

Do they use American english names for things and British slang in the American Harry Potter books?

[Matt]

I think the first book was the only one to really be American-ized.

[Spider-Who?]

great idea to finally get a seperate book/music section

I'm curious about the British to American translation.

Do they use American english names for things and British slang in the American Harry Potter books?
I've read them all, and from what I recall, the books felt very un-americanized...(british slang prevelant, etc)

[chaseter]

"NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU *****!"

:up::up:
I knew for certain JK wrote that in their just so it would be used in the movie:o

I think Rowling needs to write a book about the life of Grindewald and how he came to be with the Elder wand and how he meet Dumbledore, etc...up until his final words with Voldemort.

[Eggyman]

I knew for certain JK wrote that in their just so it would be used in the movie:o

I think Rowling needs to write a book about the life of Grindewald and how he came to be with the Elder wand and how he meet Dumbledore, etc...up until his final words with Voldemort.


That's a good idea.

So, Matt, fancy giving this a poll so people can vote on their favourite Potter book?

Doesn't have to be public. ;)

[Matt]

Done, this one is public :csad:

[Eggyman]

Done, this one is public :csad:

If you thought I was being serious before, you mustn't know me at all. :heart:

[Matt]

If you thought I was being serious before, you mustn't know me at all. :heart:

I knew all along. There's a reason I voted you for funniest Hypster. And Survivor interview damnit :cmad:

[Sawyer]

From best to worst of the books:

1. Deathly Hallows
2. Prizoner of Azkaban
3. Order of the Phoenix
4. Half-Blood Prince
5. Goblet of Fire
6. Chamber of Secrets
7. Sorcerers Stone (still a good book, but the others are soo much better)

[Eggyman]

I knew all along. There's a reason I voted you for funniest Hypster. And Survivor interview damnit :cmad:

I have far too many awesome things to juggle at the moment :csad:

That's why I didn't take my application any further. I may not have the time, so thought it only fair to allow the position to go to someone who can definitely show up.

I don't like being a drop-out no-show bastard, so I'm not doing it. Sorry dude.

From best to worst of the books:

1. Deathly Hallows
2. Prizoner of Azkaban
3. Order of the Phoenix
4. Half-Blood Prince
5. Goblet of Fire
6. Chamber of Secrets
7. Sorcerers Stone (still a good book, but the others are soo much better)

It's like you ripped that straight from my brain :eek:

[Matt]

I have far too many awesome things to juggle at the moment :csad:

That's why I didn't take my application any further. I may not have the time, so thought it only fair to allow the position to go to someone who can definitely show up.

I don't like being a drop-out no-show bastard, so I'm not doing it. Sorry dude.


Fair enough :csad:


It's like you ripped that straight from my brain :eek:

My list:

1) Goblet of Fire
2) Deathly Hallows
3) Order of the Phoeni
4) Half-Blood Prince
5) Chamber of Secrets
6) Prisoner of Azkaban
7) Sorcerer's Stone

[Eggyman]

We agree on 3 and 7.

[Star]

Half Blood Prince
Goblet of Fire
Prisoner of Azkaban
Deathly Hallows
Chamber of Secrets
Order of the Phoenix
Philosopher's Stone


Also, I really hate the American cover art. I haven't seen them all but from what I've seen... Thumbs down!

[Star]

I knew for certain JK wrote that in their just so it would be used in the movie:o

I think Rowling needs to write a book about the life of Grindewald and how he came to be with the Elder wand and how he meet Dumbledore, etc...up until his final words with Voldemort.

I feel like parts of that would be too pro-gay for her to have the guts write. Her books are already burnt enough as it is!

[StorminNorman]

:lmao: That is the greatest line ever. Mrs. Weasley is bad ass. That whole chapter is bad ass.

Mrs. Weasley is the one character from Harry Potter I would kill multiple times if I could.

Not Voldemort, not Dobby - ****ing Molly Weasley.

*****.

[StorminNorman]

My favorite HP Books:

1. Order of the Phoenix
2. Deathly Hallows
3. Prisoner of Azkaban
4. Goblet of Fire
5. Sorcerer's Stone
6. Chamber of Secrets
7. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find them
8. Quiditich Throughout the Ages
9. Tales of the Beetle and the Bard
10. Half Blood Prince

[Sawyer]

Mrs. Weasley is the one character from Harry Potter I would kill multiple times if I could.

Not Voldemort, not Dobby - ****ing Molly Weasley.

*****.

She kicks ass and you know it. :dry:

[StorminNorman]

She kicks ass and you know it. :dry:

Sirius should of bitten her throat out :down

Sorry, but one poorly written campy scene at the end of the Deathly Hallows doesn't change the fact that she was one of the most unlikeable characters throughout the first 6 books.

[danoyse]

I know a lot of people were disappointed that Neville did not kill Bellatrix, but not me. Neville never would've lasted a second against Bellatrix. In fact, I am a bit disappointed that Neville did not die. It would've been epic if Neville finds Bellatrix during the final battle for their expected show down that fans have been hyping up since book 4, only to have Bellatrix kill him with one quick avada kedavra. It would've felt so realistically and darkly anti-climactic and would've worked perfectly, in my opinion.

I agree with not wanting Neville to kill Bellatrix, but I did not want Neville to die. I think I was actually holding my breath during his whole confrontation with Voldemort, which is now one of my favorite parts of the whole book.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

HBP. I read it once, but I found it very different from the other books. Lovely.

[ComicChick]

I've only read the first Harry Potter book, so that puts me leagues behind you guys. But I did enjoy it. The writing felt "dumbed down" to me at first, but it was only because it was the first book geared towards a much younger audience that I had read in a long time.

I imagine the books read "older" as the series continues, and I would like to continue reading the series in the future. As of last year I have now seen all of the movies.

[chaseter]

1. Order of the Phoenix
2. Deathly Hallows
3. Prisoner of Azkaban
4. Half Blood Prince
5. Goblet of Fire
6. Sorcerer's Stone
7. Chamber of Secrets

[chaseter]

My favorite HP Books:

1. Order of the Phoenix
2. Deathly Hallows
3. Prisoner of Azkaban
4. Goblet of Fire
5. Sorcerer's Stone
6. Chamber of Secrets
7. Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find them
8. Quiditich Throughout the Ages
9. Tales of the Beetle and the Bard
10. Half Blood Prince
You would murder HBP by cutting out its eyes and peeing in its sockets if it were a living being:o Your contempt for it is shocking. Beetle the Bard sucked. I should have sat at Barnes and Nobles for 20 minutes instead of forking over 10 bucks.

[chaseter]

I feel like parts of that would be too pro-gay for her to have the guts write. Her books are already burnt enough as it is!
As long as she doesn't talk about Dumbledore penetrating Grindewald then I think we are okay. I am sure a confused kiss or embrace wouldn't cause people to go ape ****. It just would be an interesting story to hear about the life and times of Grindewald the great and end it with Voldemort killing him.

[The Senator]

I am not the biggest fan of the Harry Potter franchise, but I would say that Goblet of Fire is superbly written, with great depth, despite its length and multiple story lines.

[Dr. Watson]

I re-read these through the summmer. I always love 'em, but God help me I hate the Harry/Ginny pairing. It felt so forced, and all that cliche "I love you but I can't be with you because of the danger!" really annoyed me. I've never be an H/H shipper but I would have preferred anyone to Ginny. Even Luna!

[StorminNorman]

You would murder HBP by cutting out its eyes and peeing in its sockets if it were a living being:o Your contempt for it is shocking. Beetle the Bard sucked. I should have sat at Barnes and Nobles for 20 minutes instead of forking over 10 bucks.

I did that :o

HBP featured some of the worst writing in the entire series - the Romantic Subplots were so poorly executed, poorly written, poorly conceived. Characters like Hermione were acting completely out of character, characters like Tonks and Lupin and Moody were wasted.

[Eggyman]

I re-read these through the summmer. I always love 'em, but God help me I hate the Harry/Ginny pairing. It felt so forced, and all that cliche "I love you but I can't be with you because of the danger!" really annoyed me. I've never be an H/H shipper but I would have preferred anyone to Ginny. Even Luna!

He should've really ended up with that bird I can't remember the name of. The emotional connection was there - she'd set it up, FFS. But she didn't realise and did the odd thing of changing direction to Ginny, although I'll concede that there was always a little hint there but never as much as with the other one. What's her name? :cmad:

The one who went out with the dead guy... but while he was still alive. He took her to the dance and then died in TGOF, and then later on, Harry took her for some magic tea and she cried.

I think I could do with reading these again. :o

[Swordmaster]

Cho Chang is who you're referring to, I believe.

[Eggyman]

Ha! I'd just looked it up and come back here to update. Thanks, helpfulness is a rare commodity. ;)

[StorminNorman]

I always felt Harry's best pairing would of been Tonks :o

[Eggyman]

I liked Tonks too. Kinda slutty.

[StorminNorman]

I bet she was crazy in bed :huh:

[Star]

Think about it though- she could change into any woman you fantasized about...

I don't know if she'd want to though haha

[Eggyman]

I thought about it a couple of years ago. My girlfriend at the time changed her hair colour after being blond for as long as I'd known her... it was like having the sex with a different person.

Imagine her doing it mid-romp :o

[chaseter]

Or what if Tonks morphed her face into a pig mid coitus:o

[Sawyer]

How the **** is GOF getting so many votes? Aside from Voldemort's return, there really isnt anything special about it, IMO. 3, 5 and 7 were much better, IMO.

[Dr. Watson]

He should've really ended up with that bird I can't remember the name of. The emotional connection was there - she'd set it up, FFS. But she didn't realise and did the odd thing of changing direction to Ginny, although I'll concede that there was always a little hint there but never as much as with the other one. What's her name? :cmad:

The one who went out with the dead guy... but while he was still alive. He took her to the dance and then died in TGOF, and then later on, Harry took her for some magic tea and she cried.

I think I could do with reading these again. :o

I think the Cho romance could have been fleshed out and made into something real. But I think that would have upset some of the hardcore Harry fans.

I always felt Harry's best pairing would of been Tonks :o

Whoa, I would have never thought of that. How much older is Tonks than Harry?


Another gripe I had with the books, albeit a minor one, was that Harry didn't end up a Hogwarts teacher. Rowling spent 7 books showing how important Hogwarts was to Harry (the first place that felt like home, etc), and establishing Dumbeldore as this very important mentor/father figure in Harry's life. I thought because of this it would end up being very natural that he would take his place at Hogwarts as a teacher on the way to becoming Head Master.

[chaseter]

Yeah but Harry also hated school aside from defense against the dark arts. I think he fits in an auror position much better:o

[StorminNorman]

Whoa, I would have never thought of that. How much older is Tonks than Harry?

7 years :o

Though Harry and her are closer in age than Remus and Tonks.

Another gripe I had with the books, albeit a minor one, was that Harry didn't end up a Hogwarts teacher. Rowling spent 7 books showing how important Hogwarts was to Harry (the first place that felt like home, etc), and establishing Dumbeldore as this very important mentor/father figure in Harry's life. I thought because of this it would end up being very natural that he would take his place at Hogwarts as a teacher on the way to becoming Head Master.

I also thought that after the D.A. where Harry thrived in the role of teacher, he possibly would of joined the school staff. Then again there is no reason to assume he didnt' either.

[Star]

Honestly I think I would have preferred Harry and Luna vs Harry and Ginny.

Whoever said it was right in saying Ginny/Harry seems very forced. I'm re-reading the series currently and I'm on the fifth right now... and there is not ONE inkling of a hint of it. They aren't even that great of friends.

At least with Ron/Hermione there was CLEAR buildup

[AndThePickles]

First off, I must admit that I've read these books entirely too many times :O

I ADORE the Sorcerer's Stone...I love all the introduction to the magical world stuff. I voted for "Prisoner of Azkaban," though, because I'm a big Sirius fan. I think my next favorite would have to be "Goblet of Fire." I love the bubble bath scene...I wanna play in that swimming pool tub!

I hate the way the last book ended :down FORCED :cmad:

[chaseter]

I think the Harry-Ginny marriage was just a way to keep Harry still close to the Weasleys. Ginny always had a huge crush on Harry so maybe she was good in bed...I don't know and we don't know what happened between the end of the book and their marriage.

[Star]

One of my favourite HP artists: http://www.artdungeon.net/

[Dr. Watson]

7 years :o

Though Harry and her are closer in age than Remus and Tonks.

Maybe when Harry got older I could see that (had Tonks survived). But not as a 17/18 year old.

I also thought that after the D.A. where Harry thrived in the role of teacher, he possibly would of joined the school staff. Then again there is no reason to assume he didnt' either.

Rowling said in some interview that Harry, Ron, and Hermoine become Aurors. But that he took such a lead role in the DA is another great reason he would have been a great professor at Hogwarts.

Yeah but Harry also hated school aside from defense against the dark arts. I think he fits in an auror position much better:o

I always thought he would be the DADA teacher :D. Auror isn't much of a stretch either, but I always like to think Hogwarts is where he would have ended up.

[chaseter]

DADA is cursed though!

[Dr. Watson]

DADA is cursed though!

Yeah, but it was cursed by Voldemort. Harry killed Voldemort, so I think it's a safe assumption he also broke the curse.

[StorminNorman]

Rowling said in some interview that Harry, Ron, and Hermoine become Aurors. But that he took such a lead role in the DA is another great reason he would have been a great professor at Hogwarts.

See, this is why I hate the fact I love Rowling, she spends years developing great characters and then instead of finishing with the same quality, she gets lazy. Instead of writing a decent romantic subplot for Harry, he gives her Ginny with no explanation. Instead of having Ron and Hermione and Harry actually grow up, she simply says they all became Aurors. Instead of closing the saga with grace, she gives us a terrible, horrible epilogue and a fairy tale book.

Ron has no business being an Auror and Hermione is wasted as an Auror.

[Dr. Watson]

See, this is why I hate the fact I love Rowling, she spends years developing great characters and then instead of finishing with the same quality, she gets lazy. Instead of writing a decent romantic subplot for Harry, he gives her Ginny with no explanation. Instead of having Ron and Hermione and Harry actually grow up, she simply says they all became Aurors. Instead of closing the saga with grace, she gives us a terrible, horrible epilogue and a fairy tale book.

Ron has no business being an Auror and Hermione is wasted as an Auror.

I actually agree here. She definitely could have ended it in a more creative manner.

As for Hermoine and Ron, I always saw her taking some high up position at the Ministry, and Ron would be a stay at home dad and take care of all the little Weasley's :D. But I would have never picked Ron to become a full-fledged Auror.

[Star]

Honestly I don't really think that Ron OR Harry would be smart enough to get accepted. Well, maybe Harry would be because he killed Voldemort but ... Ron was just average at everything

[StorminNorman]

Harry was naturally gifted in combat and defense.

Hermione would of been a terrible Auror, yes she was brilliant in books smart but DADA was always one of her weakest classes. A person like Hermione would of almost certainly joined the Ministry as an advocate for a cause like elf and other creature rights. Possibly with a side step at Hogwarts (they needed a Transfiguration teacher, right?).

Did she ever show any interest in being an Auror at all? Outside of being Harry's gal pal? In fact she failed fairly epically in their battle at the Ministry (simply silencing a Death Eater instead of actually attacking?). Stupid, stupid.

[Lobo]

Half Blood Prince was my favorite. :up:

[StorminNorman]

What did you like about HBP?

[Star]

It was my favourite too. I did think that the romantic parts were a bit dragging and silly at times, though I didn't hate them. I liked learning about Voldemort's past

[chaseter]

It was cool to see him wanting to be DADA professor extremely bad and Dumbledore said no and that just made him further lament the man.

[04nbod]

I'm a snape fan so HBP was right up my alley

[StorminNorman]

Voldemort's past stuff was great, but it made up about a third of the book.

HBP may of featured both the highest and lowest point in the series. Sadly for every high point, IMO, there are 5 lows.

[Karebear]

It's hard to decide... but I chose The Prizoner of Azkaban as my favorite book.

Of course I also loved Half-Blood Prince. That's a movie I'm looking forward to :up:

[Star]

Voldemort's past stuff was great, but it made up about a third of the book.

HBP may of featured both the highest and lowest point in the series. Sadly for every high point, IMO, there are 5 lows.

Seeing as you clearly hate the book I'm interested to hear what parts of it you hated exactly. I'm just starting to re-read it now (re-reading the whole series) and so it'll be fresh in my mind while I read it ....

[chaseter]

I also liked about HBP the fact that Ron was now the star for a little moment. He was on the Quidditch team, helped them win the House Cup for the last time, was loved by girls, etc...

[Eggyman]

I'm a snape fan so HBP was right up my alley

I'm a Snape fan too. Me and my mate knew that he wasn't bad - we just KNEW it. All the way through the series I just kinda had a feeling deep in my gut that he was going to be a hero. He wasn't the hero they needed, but he was the one they deserved. A silent hero. An old goth.

[chaseter]

hahahahahahaha

[Star]

I also liked about HBP the fact that Ron was now the star for a little moment. He was on the Quidditch team, helped them win the House Cup for the last time, was loved by girls, etc...

So true. He finally got some recognition as opposed to always being in Harry's shadow.

Speaking of Ron, I thought it was so sad when he left in DH

[chaseter]

So true. He finally got some recognition as opposed to always being in Harry's shadow.

Speaking of Ron, I thought it was so sad when he left in DH
I thought it was odd that Snape's patronus is a doe:wow:

[Star]

Yeah me too... I was expecting.... I dunno, a lizard or maybe an eel haha.

I guess because Lily's was probably a doe his changed to look like hers? (I'm not even entirely sure if hers was a doe but I guess that would make the most sense because of James and everything)

[Dr. Watson]

I thought it was odd that Snape's patronus is a doe:wow:

Yeah me too... I was expecting.... I dunno, a lizard or maybe an eel haha.

I guess because Lily's was probably a doe his changed to look like hers? (I'm not even entirely sure if hers was a doe but I guess that would make the most sense because of James and everything)

See that's what I thought too, but it seems that Patronus's are almost like daemons from HDM in that they represent the person's spirit. For instance Harry having a stag, Hermoine an otter, and Ron a golden retriever seem pretty connected to their personality. So maybe Snape having a Doe is indicative of his true nature?

[StorminNorman]

Seeing as you clearly hate the book I'm interested to hear what parts of it you hated exactly. I'm just starting to re-read it now (re-reading the whole series) and so it'll be fresh in my mind while I read it ....

The romantic subplot was just lazily done, I mean Harry really just finds this "monster" in his chest randomly some day with Ginny after showing no signs at all of being even remotely interested in her?

Or how about Hermione who suddenly cares about Quiditich and has no problem breaking rules (bewitching the other Keeper, attacking Ron with birds). I mean if JKR was trying to show that Hermione's hormones are making her irrational and acting out of character, she succeeded.

I also have a big problem with Ron and Hermione ignoring Harry's suspicions about Draco - these are the same kids that flew to London on one of Harry's hunches, these are the same kids regularly engaged in adventures due to Harry's hunches.

And then you had the Felix Felicis that was a bafflingly bad idea that just opened up huge questions in the logic of the universe.

The flashbacks to Voldemort were fantastic, but everything else was just poorly written.

[chaseter]

See that's what I thought too, but it seems that Patronus's are almost like daemons from HDM in that they represent the person's spirit. For instance Harry having a stag, Hermoine an otter, and Ron a golden retriever seem pretty connected to their personality. So maybe Snape having a Doe is indicative of his true nature?
After finding out that was Snape's patronus...I was like what a wimp:o I know it was meant to confuse us because no one would associate a Doe with a male character so in that sense it worked. It was just so imasculine in the sense that Snape produced it. But yes, I agree that the patronus represents the true nature of the indivdual...Ron's was a dog I believe = loyal friend btw!

[chaseter]

The romantic subplot was just lazily done, I mean Harry really just finds this "monster" in his chest randomly some day with Ginny after showing no signs at all of being even remotely interested in her?

Or how about Hermione who suddenly cares about Quiditich and has no problem breaking rules (bewitching the other Keeper, attacking Ron with birds). I mean if JKR was trying to show that Hermione's hormones are making her irrational and acting out of character, she succeeded.

I also have a big problem with Ron and Hermione ignoring Harry's suspicions about Draco - these are the same kids that flew to London on one of Harry's hunches, these are the same kids regularly engaged in adventures due to Harry's hunches.

And then you had the Felix Felicis that was a bafflingly bad idea that just opened up huge questions in the logic of the universe.

The flashbacks to Voldemort were fantastic, but everything else was just poorly written.
Cho betrayed Harry so I guess he was single and ready to mingle and Ginny was the first to tickle his pickle.

Hermione cared about Quidditch because Ron cared about Quidditch:o

Ron wasn't in his right mind anyways due to the love potion and being now involved with Quidditch...his mind was else where. Hermione does hate Malfoy but she has always questioned Harry's hunches by giving alternative explanations to it and this was no different. I think also because Snape was protecting Malfoy's interests to save him and that was something the students saw and just let it go...unlike Harry.

How did Felix Felicis defy the logic of this world?

[amazingfantasy15]

The romantic subplot was just lazily done, I mean Harry really just finds this "monster" in his chest randomly some day with Ginny after showing no signs at all of being even remotely interested in her?

I think it was done fine, didn't you ever have a female friend or classmate that you never really thought of in a romantic sense as a kid, then one day you notice how hot she's become. That's the way I saw it, Harry finally realizing he's attracted to Ginny. They did have a lot in common, both liked Quittich, both very personally affected by Voldemort, both good at Defense Against the Dark Arts, Rowling made sure to mention how well she performed as a member of the DA.

Or how about Hermione who suddenly cares about Quiditich and has no problem breaking rules (bewitching the other Keeper, attacking Ron with birds). I mean if JKR was trying to show that Hermione's hormones are making her irrational and acting out of character, she succeeded.

Hermione always cared about Quittich in terms of supporting her friends and house. As for attacking Ron, that was just being upset, she is a teenage girl after all, let's also not forget this was the girl brewing polyjuice potion to interogate another student in her second year. Hermione wasn't exactly squeaky clean during the series.

I also have a big problem with Ron and Hermione ignoring Harry's suspicions about Draco - these are the same kids that flew to London on one of Harry's hunches, these are the same kids regularly engaged in adventures due to Harry's hunches.

For 6 years, Harry tried to pin things on both Snape and Malfoy and they always turned out to be innocent. Call out Harry crying wolf too many times.

And then you had the Felix Felicis that was a bafflingly bad idea that just opened up huge questions in the logic of the universe.

It's a magical world again there were plenty of things that defied logic.

The flashbacks to Voldemort were fantastic, but everything else was just poorly written.

This I agree with, my favorite parts of Half Blood Prince were learning about Voldemort's past. Really sucks we're going to be limited to only 2-3 of those in the movie.

[Ugfugly]

See that's what I thought too, but it seems that Patronus's are almost like daemons from HDM in that they represent the person's spirit. For instance Harry having a stag, Hermoine an otter, and Ron a golden retriever seem pretty connected to their personality. So maybe Snape having a Doe is indicative of his true nature?


That he was gay for Harry?

What about Tonks' new patronus being a werewolf?

I think it represents what's in your heart and the idea that Lilly may have had a doe patronus and Snape taking that makes alot of sense.

[Kevin D. Comicboy]

Plue, HBP is the first book where Draco "got" Harry. I loled.

[Dr. Watson]

That he was gay for Harry?

uh, no. Does are noble animals, and within mythology (along with stags) are supposed to represent the pure of heart. You could argue that Snape did embody these things despite his involvement with Voldy.

What about Tonks' new patronus being a werewolf?

I think it represents what's in your heart and the idea that Lilly may have had a doe patronus and Snape taking that makes alot of sense.

I remember them saying she had a new patronus, but was it confirmed as a werewolf? I can't remember. And that too works as an explanation, though I think it would take a powerful love to change your patronus. Snape and Lily would fit that criteria.

[StorminNorman]

Cho betrayed Harry so I guess he was single and ready to mingle and Ginny was the first to tickle his pickle.

[quote]Hermione cared about Quidditch because Ron cared about Quidditch:o

Except that the year prior she left Ron's Quidditch match to follow Harry. Hermione always cared about Quidditich because of HARRY, not Ron.

Agian, Hermione and Ron's only thing in common was Harry making their relationship silly - but thats another point entirely. The forced cliched nature of Ron/Hermione's relationship goes beyond the realms of HBP.

Ron wasn't in his right mind anyways due to the love potion and being now involved with Quidditch...his mind was else where. Hermione does hate Malfoy but she has always questioned Harry's hunches by giving alternative explanations to it and this was no different. I think also because Snape was protecting Malfoy's interests to save him and that was something the students saw and just let it go...unlike Harry.

Ron didn't care about Harry's suspicions before Quidditch or Love Potions were a matter. While yes, Hermione DOES question Harry's hunches - she always follows them as well. She aided them against Snape even though she had her doubts (she lit his cloak on fire!) and she went to the Department of Mysteries even though she thought it could be a trap.

How did Felix Felicis defy the logic of this world?

If Felix Felicis was real than Harry wouldn't be the only one smart enough to have people use it during battle.

Yes, I get that over exposure becomes dangerous and what not, but that wouldn't prevent people - ESPECIALLY Death Eaters - from using it. Felix Felicis served no purpose besides providing a cheap, lazy solution to a plot point (getting the memory). It was simply an example of poor writing which, oddly, become far more common in JKR's later works.

Now I know I may seem harsh, but thats because I love. Harry Potter is one of my favorite franchises ever and HBP's release rivaled my enthusiasm for The Dark Knight. I love the World of Harry Potter, I love the Characters of Harry Potter - but JKR's increased dependence on lazy, popcorn writing left me very disappointed. I don't see her being a good adult detective writer.

[StorminNorman]

I think it was done fine, didn't you ever have a female friend or classmate that you never really thought of in a romantic sense as a kid, then one day you notice how hot she's become. That's the way I saw it, Harry finally realizing he's attracted to Ginny. They did have a lot in common, both liked Quittich, both very personally affected by Voldemort, both good at Defense Against the Dark Arts, Rowling made sure to mention how well she performed as a member of the DA.

Nope. Harry has never shown any interest in Ginny before, ever. We know because we are in his head. Nothing had changed in between the Ginny of HBP and Ginny of TOoTP. Also nothing had really changed with Harry either. Now it could of been handled well, before HBP I had read fan fiction where Ginny and Harry got together and it worked, it was not handled well here.

Ginny being Harry Jr. with breasts is not exactly relationship material.

Hermione always cared about Quittich in terms of supporting her friends and house. As for attacking Ron, that was just being upset, she is a teenage girl after all, let's also not forget this was the girl brewing polyjuice potion to interogate another student in her second year. Hermione wasn't exactly squeaky clean during the series.

She cared about Quidditch when it involved HARRY and never enough to break rules. Hermione's brewing polyjuice potion had the goal of saving lives (stopping the Chamber of Secrets) and it included the benefit of being an intellectually stimulating feat. Hermione wasn't squeaky clean but she never simply ignored rules or broke them casually.

For 6 years, Harry tried to pin things on both Snape and Malfoy and they always turned out to be innocent. Call out Harry crying wolf too many times.

And Hermione and Ron always followed Harry - again Hermione followed Harry last time in spite of her doubts. Hermione simply did not act like Hermione in this book and Ron was too involved with ridiculous romantic sub plots to be a useful character.

It's a magical world again there were plenty of things that defied logic.

I understand that and I am not questioning it breaking the logic of this world - Felix Felicis broke the logic of THEIR world. It was Deus Ex Machina in a bottle.

[StorminNorman]

uh, no. Does are noble animals, and within mythology (along with stags) are supposed to represent the pure of heart. You could argue that Snape did embody these things despite his involvement with Voldy.

It would be hard to describe Snape as someone with a pure heart. Yes, he redeemed himself - but so did Darth Vader and I don't think that describes him either.

This is still a middle aged guy that picked out and punished an eleven year old kid because his daddy made fun of him in class.

Snape was a great character, a fascinating character but not a noble one nor one with a pure heart.

[chaseter]

Felix Felicis is extremely hard and long to make. I am sure Voldemort could make it but he is too proud and arrogant to do so and most of his Death Eaters are idiots.

[Dr. Watson]

It would be hard to describe Snape as someone with a pure heart. Yes, he redeemed himself - but so did Darth Vader and I don't think that describes him either.

This is still a middle aged guy that picked out and punished an eleven year old kid because his daddy made fun of him in class.

Snape was a great character, a fascinating character but not a noble one nor one with a pure heart.

Yea, I know it was a stretch :woot:. I wonder what shape his patronus would take if it weren't a representative of Lily's?

[StorminNorman]

Felix Felicis is extremely hard and long to make. I am sure Voldemort could make it but he is too proud and arrogant to do so and most of his Death Eaters are idiots.

Its a shame didn't have a potions master on hand...

[StorminNorman]

Yea, I know it was a stretch :woot:. I wonder what shape his patronus would take if it weren't a representative of Lily's?

Thats a good question...

My guess would not be a panda bear.

[Ugfugly]

I kind of saw Felix Felicis as a self confidence potion. It was highlighted when Harry pretended to put it in Ron's pumpkin juice. It had the same effect on him as it did in Harry when he took it.

When Harry was "taken over" by Felix Felicis, it was all about trusting his instincts and doing what he felt was the right thing. What we would consider "luck" is just taking opportunity when we see it, or opening our eyes to opportunity when it arises. There was nothing really supernatural happening when he was going through it.

I might be giving the author too much credit on that analysis but that's my story and i'm sticking to it.

[chaseter]

Never thought of it that way! I know the same sort of ideal has been used in many movies and books.

[Kud-Dukan]

I kind of saw Felix Felicis as a self confidence potion. It was highlighted when Harry pretended to put it in Ron's pumpkin juice. It had the same effect on him as it did in Harry when he took it.

When Harry was "taken over" by Felix Felicis, it was all about trusting his instincts and doing what he felt was the right thing. What we would consider "luck" is just taking opportunity when we see it, or opening our eyes to opportunity when it arises. There was nothing really supernatural happening when he was going through it.

I might be giving the author too much credit on that analysis but that's my story and i'm sticking to it.

That's how I always saw it too.

[Asteroid-Man]

Deathly Hallows
Half-Blood Prince
Order of the Phoenix
Goblet of Fire
Chamber of Secrets
Philosopher's Stone
Prisoner of Azkaban (the time turner part at the end was really confusing on paper)

[Matt]

Yea, I know it was a stretch :woot:. I wonder what shape his patronus would take if it weren't a representative of Lily's?

Bump.
My guess is a bat, considering how many times Rowling described him as bat-like.

[Matt]

Agian, Hermione and Ron's only thing in common was Harry making their relationship silly - but thats another point entirely. The forced cliched nature of Ron/Hermione's relationship goes beyond the realms of HBP.



Ron didn't care about Harry's suspicions before Quidditch or Love Potions were a matter. While yes, Hermione DOES question Harry's hunches - she always follows them as well. She aided them against Snape even though she had her doubts (she lit his cloak on fire!) and she went to the Department of Mysteries even though she thought it could be a trap.


To an extent I agree. There was some subtle foreshadowing of Harry and Ginny in GOF and OOTP. However, with Ron and Hermione...well, Hermione's personality up until HBP always seemed to imply that she saw him as more of a little brother than a love interest. Ron clearly had feelings for her. In OOTP he tries to give her perfume for Christmas (a romantic gift) but her response is, "Oh that was unusual," or something along those lines. I always thought there was more foreshadowing to a Ron/Luna romance than Ron and Hermione.