Samuel L. Jackson May No Longer Be Nick Fury!

[Gotham]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2009/01/nick-fury-no-mo.html

I really loved him in his small cameo role, and I was really looking forward to seeing more of him. :(

[Chewy]

Mo money mo problems

[tamron]

Samuel L. Jackson, clearly bristling, said today that negotiations to put him in the role of Nick Fury have broken down because "there seems to be an economic crisis in the Marvel Comics world."

Jackson told me today that despite his cameo as the hard-bitten military man at the end of "Iron Man," it now appears that "somebody else will be Nick Fury or maybe Nick Fury won't be in it" when it comes to "Iron Man 2," "The First Avenger: Captain America" and "The Avengers," the announced slate of Marvel Studios projects through 2011 that might have a natural spot for the character.

Jackson, who is a fanboy favorite after roles in three "Star Wars" films, "The Incredibles" and "Unbreakable," was actually used as the model for the Ultimate Marvel version of Fury, which took the white, grizzled, aging commando with salt-and-pepper hair and re-imagined him as a younger, bald African American. There were cheers in theaters at the end of "Iron Man," when Jackson appeared as Fury, but when I asked the actor about it today he shook his head.

"I saw ['Iron Man' and 'Iron Man 2' director] Jon Favreau at the Scream Awards and we had a conversation. He said, 'I hope things are working out for you because we're writing stuff for you.' Then all of a sudden last week I talked to my agents and manager and things aren't really working that well."

Jackson might just have been taking a public position that could lead to a bigger payday (it certainly wouldn't be the first time a Hollywood star used an interview as a negotiating tactic) but he seemed especially sour on the whole the topic of working with Marvel ...

"There was a huge kind of negotiation that broke down. I don't know. Maybe I won't be Nick Fury. Maybe somebody else will be Nick Fury or maybe Nick Fury won't be in it. There seems to be an economic crisis in the Marvel Comics world so [they're saying to me], 'We're not making that deal.'"

I called Marvel Comics and they gave me a statement that suggested that they still want to see Jackson wearing the eyepatch. "Marvel does not comment on active negotiations," was the boilerplate repsonse, but there was that emphasis on the word "active" in the voice of the spokesman who phoned me back.

Marvel Studios only has two films under its belt, "Iron Man" (which finished as the second-highest grossing film of 2008) and "The Incredible Hulk" but executives with the Hollywood upstart have high hopes for creating a new model of unified, character-crossover films that would mirror the spirit of the Marvel Comics in the 1960s, when heroes and villains collided constantly in the various comics titles and firmed up the concept of "the Marvel Universe." One challenge to that will be keeping a good number of movie stars happy with the roles and their paychecks.

Terrence Howard, who by some reports was the first actor signed to "Iron Man" and the highest-paid actor in the cast, won't be back for the sequel (Don Cheadle is taking his place as the key supporting character Rhodey and his alter ego War Machine) money may have been part of the issue as Marvel execs have to weigh each film's budget with the calculating eye of pro-sports teams who want marquee players but have to fit them into a salary cap. A publicly traded company, Marvel has a publicly stated goal of keeping shareholders happy with a rigid allegiance to the bottom line.

Marvel's stock has held up far better than shares of most of its larger rivals over the last year. Helped by the lift from "Iron Man" in spring, Marvel Entertainment shares actually rose for the year, gaining 15% to close 2008 at $30.75. That was an amazing feat, considering that more than 90% of all U.S. stocks fell last year. By contrast, Walt Disney shares slid 30% in 2008, Viacom Inc. plunged 57% and Time Warner fell 39%. So far this year, Marvel is down 5.5%, Disney is down 6.6%, Viacom is off 8.1% and Time Warner is down 2.5%.

Think of the challenge to Marvel to put its crossover dream on the screen: For "The Avengers," that means putting Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Edward Norton as Hulk, Cheadle, whoever plays Thor and whoever plays Captain America all in the same movie. How much room (and money) would be left for a supporting character like Jackson as Fury? Still, like I told the actor, he has a big advantage on his side: Who else wants to wear that patch, especially since the character is based on Jackson? Jackson laughed. "Maybe nobody will wear it. Maybe they'll decide Nick Fury won't be part of it."

Let's hope that this is just a media ploy by Jackson, similar to when Favreau went public about his negotiations. Marvel clearly still wants him involved; he still wants to be involved. Hopefully they can make those ends meet.

[FaT_tONle]

Are you ****ing kidding me? So now SLJ is being anal about a paycut??? The same guy that worked for three films with Lucas of all people on Star Wars prequels... the guy obviously has a passion for this fanboy stuff. And now Marvel appears to be d***ing him over... I love how some people here still give Marvel the benefit of the doubt because of the success of IM... expect recasting to be a yearly occurence. At this rate we'll get over all the recasting in about a year with the way Marvel is dishing out the bills... unreal...

[spiderfan970]

Goddammit Marvel!

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

Think somebody saw The Spirit? Ah, I kid, I kid. :oldrazz:

If Marvel Studios is considering someone else, maybe the fans who called for a traditional Fury will get what they want for the sequel.

[FrostBite]

Okay so... they probably lost Norton for Avengers, replaced Terrance Howard, and now may replace Samuel. ...Fantastic Marvel.

Such a shame too, they were off to such a good start.

[Mister J]

I think this gets worked out. I haven't seen anything lending itself to Fury's role being anything substantial and I have a hard time seeing this thing fall apart over a glorified cameo. Even if it goes bad, I wouldn't care if they switched it up to 616 Fury. Not really a big deal, especially compared to the Rhodey business.

Speaking of...
Terrence Howard, who by some reports was the first actor signed to "Iron Man" and the highest-paid actor in the cast
Really? :confused:

[Juggernaut33]

Marvel is losing credibility. If they can't handle negotiations properly, at this rate, they're gonna loose all their assets. They're just things you can't get away with and you being cheap is one of those.

Well, in case Jackson doesn't come back, I suggest Michael Jai White.

http://www.tvdads.com/images/tvdmjai5.jpg

[luca_frontino]

If Marvel made IM and TIH in full CGI a la Final Fantasy, there wouldn't be such a problem and the characters would look like the comic books counterpart.
But, anyway, I don't care for Iron Man II.
I gave up on sequels.
When a movie has in the title numbers, subtitles and anything other than the name of the franchise, it loses importance and it won't sound like THE movie of that franchise.

[[A]]

I read about it this morning--man this suck :cmad: I'll say, forget about Rockwell, keep Jackson (not that I don't like Sam Rockwell but you gotta have Jackson/Fury, man)

[The Ace of Knaves]

If Marvel made IM and TIH in full CGI a la Final Fantasy, there wouldn't be such a problem and the characters would look like the comic books counterpart.
But, anyway, I don't care for Iron Man II.
I gave up on sequels.
When a movie has in the title numbers, subtitles and anything other than the name of the franchise, it loses importance and it won't sound like THE movie of that franchise.

So you gave up on TDK yea? :whatever:

[Iron_Stark]

I think this gets worked out. I haven't seen anything lending itself to Fury's role being anything substantial and I have a hard time seeing this thing fall apart over a glorified cameo. Even if it goes bad, I wouldn't care if they switched it up to 616 Fury. Not really a big deal, especially compared to the Rhodey business.

Speaking of...

Really? :confused:

Yeah, Howard was cast by Avi Arad even before Favs had been hired.

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah you'd figure people would be talking about 616 Fury... give me a break... so the cameo was a complete throw away now? I concur with the other poster... bring in Michael Jai White... or bring in Denzel. Nothing wrong with getting an even bigger name in there. I could see him doing it for Avengers if it's a small role. The fact is... people are getting tired of SLJ showing up in everything these days... and he isn't getting any younger. Hell I am all for keeping the same cast throughout... but since Marvel can't pay the bills... might as well replace everybody. Tom Cruise for Stark still on the table?

[[A]]

If Denzel plays Fury, RDJ will be in suit the entire movie, with the mask and everything. You know.. because Denzel spits a lot

[The Ace of Knaves]

Tom Cruise for Loki :up:

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Honestly, what the **** are Marvel doing? Are they just going to keep re-casting character until they are finalyl happy a few movies in? This is ridiculous, sort it out Marvel, this is becoming a joke.

[terry78]

If they must recast, he still has to be black. None of this race change stuff.

:oldrazz:

[rickprague]

Terence Howard for Nick Fury!

Well he'll be available...

[[A]]

:pal:

[dark_b]

easy guys. until i dont see any bad news about RDJ everything its OK. when RDJ is out then i am out. and belive me we will do some negative promotion.

[smooth3006]

yeah this is bad news for marvel. i have a feeling if this kind of crap keeps up they may be no avengers movie at all ! :cmad:

[Michellemabelle]

Nice going, guys. You were off to such a good start... :(

[Iron_Stark]

How about firing Cheadle as well and let RDJ play Tony, Rhodey and Nick Fury, kinda like Eddie Murphy does in all of his movies.

That would save Marvel some money.

Or bring in the Hoff.

[The Ace of Knaves]

What's everyone over-reacting for? So far Marvel have had to re-cast one role, and this thing about Sam isn't confirmed yet. The negotiations are still "active" as the article says. You silly, silly fan boys. :hehe:

[Shivsguy616]

Tom Cruise for Stark still on the table?

:whatever:

[Hypestyle]

david maisel is to blame.. it's not hard to figure that he had terrence howard lowballed for the Iron Man 2 sequel, even though technically Howard was the first actor to sign on for the first film..

So, now, it's happening all over again, with Nick Fury.. just pay the man his money!

...Marvel may regret getting rid of Avi Arad..

[Cosmic]

I'm not a fan of the Ultimate line. Why is it so important that Sam Jackson should play Fury in the movies?

[[A]]

^ Well, you know.

[Michellemabelle]

How about firing Cheadle as well and let RDJ play Tony, Rhodey and Nick Fury, kinda like Eddie Murphy does in all of his movies.

That would save Marvel some money.

Or bring in the Hoff.
I'd never watch another Marvel Studios film. :D

[The Ace of Knaves]

Because he is a B.A.M.F!!!

Why is everyone *****ing about this? It hasn't been confirmed that he won't appear in it. The article says that negotiations are "active". Marvel has had to re-cast ONE character, so what. If Howard priced himself out of it then that's his problem. Cheadle is a great, great actor and is a very worthy replacement.

[[A]]

Didn't you just say that..? Or was it in another thread? :hehe:

[The Ace of Knaves]

:hehe: Yea I did but it got skipped over when this new page started, that always happens to me. And I just want to make sure all the silly *****ing fan boys see it.

[Nirvana]

I was honestly hoping he wouldn't have a major role in Iron Man 2 in the first place. Don't get me wrong, I love Sam Jackson as Nick Fury, it's just the movie is about Iron Man, not Iron Man and Friends. Just as long as he's a major player in The Avengers.

[Mister J]

Yeah, Howard was cast by Avi Arad even before Favs had been hired.
Cripes, Avi. Suddenly, the rationale behind Howard walking seems a lot clearer to me.

Thanks, I_S.

[Carnage27]

I say good riddance if SLJ isn't in it. The guy is a walking joke, and hasn't starred in a good movie since Pulp Fiction. The entire cameo at the end of Iron Man I was waiting for him to say, "Mother ****er." I'm hoping for a legitimate actor replacement.

[dark_b]

What's everyone over-reacting for? So far Marvel have had to re-cast one role, and this thing about Sam isn't confirmed yet. The negotiations are still "active" as the article says. You silly, silly fan boys. :hehe:there should be no negotiations

[Iron_Stark]

This is what should've been on the the theatrical ending

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/robot-chicken-iron-man-alternate-ending/171459569/?icid=VIDURVENT11

[November Rain]

Terence Howard for Nick Fury!

Well he'll be available...post of the year nomination

[Philly Phanboy]

How about firing Cheadle as well and let RDJ play Tony, Rhodey and Nick Fury, kinda like Eddie Murphy does in all of his movies.

That would save Marvel some money.

Or bring in the Hoff.

Hoff wouldn't ask for a huge salary. Just give him a supply of booze and cheeseburgers. :o

[Keyser Soze]

I think this gets worked out. I haven't seen anything lending itself to Fury's role being anything substantial and I have a hard time seeing this thing fall apart over a glorified cameo. Even if it goes bad, I wouldn't care if they switched it up to 616 Fury. Not really a big deal, especially compared to the Rhodey business.

Speaking of...

Really? :confused:

Yep, that was reportedly the issue that caused his replacement, according to Marvel's side of the story. Howard took a massive paycheck that reportedly dwarved even Robert Downey Jr's, and on top of that was a pain to work with. Marvel tried to re-negotiate with a salary that reflected his smaller role for the sequel, and he wasn't having it. Of course, Terrence Howard has a different version of the story. Who knows who's telling the truth.

[Gallagher]

I'm not happy although if he doesn't come back *****ing and whining isn't going to fix it.

If SLJ can't be Fury, go 616, nobody else can play Ultimate Fury. Say the Fury at the end of IM was a decoy or a bodygaurd.

[Figs]

I'm not happy although if he doesn't come back *****ing and whining isn't going to fix it.

If SLJ can't be Fury, go 616, nobody else can play Ultimate Fury. Say the Fury at the end of IM was a decoy or a bodygaurd.


I agree. It may seem cheesy to say it was a decoy but better than replacing the ultimate version with an actor who isn't Sam Jackson.

Personally I always wanted 616 Fury anyways(well...616 for just about everything to tell the truth). So hopefully we can get the real Fury with some actual hair to have the white marks in.

[Threshold]

Terrence Howard 4 Nick Fury!

[Congo Jack]

If SLJ can't be Fury, go 616, nobody else can play Ultimate Fury. Say the Fury at the end of IM was a decoy or a bodygaurd.
I agree with the first part of that, Sam Jackson's the only guy for Ultimate Fury. I wouldn't even bother trying to explain the race change though, lame excuses would take me out of the movie. I'm sure SLJ will be back.

[FlawlessVictory]

This is what happens when you Hassel the Hoff! If they would have hired Hoff from the beginning we wouldn't be in this mess.


http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/FlawlessVictory_photos/nickfury.jpg

[The Ace of Knaves]

He does actually look the part there. It's a shame his only real talent is singing German folk tunes :hehe:

[Chris B]

I think its bad enough that they lost any chance of a consistent cast with the replacing of Howard with Cheadle. So hopefully they can work something out.

[Leenie]

Hope this isn't true.

The Terrence Howard thing ticks me off well enough.

[Chewy]

Because he is a B.A.M.F!!!

Why is everyone *****ing about this? It hasn't been confirmed that he won't appear in it. The article says that negotiations are "active". Marvel has had to re-cast ONE character, so what. If Howard priced himself out of it then that's his problem. Cheadle is a great, great actor and is a very worthy replacement.
Listen to this guy

This is the reason they are called "negotiations". SLJ isn't out, they are simply negotiating.

[Casius--J]

In or out i'm not all that bothered by this news. Chances are it will only be the fans that are aware of the actor change as most people(at least I know) wouldn't have stayed till the end of the credits!

[FaT_tONle]

In or out i'm not all that bothered by this news. Chances are it will only be the fans that are aware of the actor change as most people(at least I know) wouldn't have stayed till the end of the credits!

The cameo was widely publicized... people will find out about it on DVD... and FX will eventually pick it up and show the scene as a DVD extra. It's definitely noticable. I don't think they can just go to 616 and expect people not to raise an eyebrow...

[Octoberist]

Funny enough, it seemed like Sam will choose any random movie that gets to him; why is it that with Iron Man 2, there's a problem?

[kedrell]

^I know. The guy did Snakes on a Plane, for chrissakes!

[Octoberist]

honestly, I don't know what's going on here, unless Sam is asking for more money.

[[A]]

Perhaps Marvel's got a problem with him wearing a purple eyepatch?

[DarkSuperman]

Hmmmmm...what's up with Marvel shafting all the black actors? Like they're expendable or something? "Oh well, we'll just get another dude to fill your spot. No ones going to notice...or care. Peace out Sam and Terence! Someone get Louis Gossett, Jr. on the phone!"

I'm just saying...

[goh78]

I'll never understand those of you who give up all hope at the first sight of trouble.

"You suck Marvel!" "Marvel is dropping the ball"

Terence Howard more than likely screwed himself out of his role. I'd put money down that he tried to get a fat paycheck for a little work and Marvel told him to shove it.

Maybe Sam Jackson is doing the same. Like someone said earlier, he is a joke these days. Look at his last films: The Spirit, Lakeview Terrace, **JUMPER**, Snakes on a Plane, The Man.....he consistently makes bad films. He is only recognizable and popular because he is Samuel L Jackson, not because he makes awesome movies. So how do we know that when he says they are in an "economic crisis" it means they aren't paying him what he wants? Fact is we don't, so why not save the *****ing and complaining about Marvel when the headline reads "Marvel Fires Jackson".

[Octoberist]

I feel like Sam is screwing himself over too.

[FaT_tONle]

So a brotha' can't get the benefit of the doubt... I see how it is.

[Octoberist]

i mean, we don't know the whole story, but I just find it strange that there's "OUT OF NO WHERE" a problem with Sam's role in the movie.

[Chewy]

Come on, guys.

These are active negotiations. Sam's agents obviously brought Marvel a deal which they didn't like, and that's where the quote "We're not making that deal." comes from.

They will continue to negotiate, and Sam will likely get less than he wants while Marvel will probably end up giving him more than they want to. This is how Hollywood works. Sam's probably just pissed because he saw that Iron Man was a cash cow and he thinks he deserves more of the pie than Marvel is offering him.

[Cagefighterkip]

as much as i hope that sam jackson is back,
i wont shed a tear or anything if he isnt in it, whether fury isnt in it or the role is recast yknow? im not gonna be pissed. i think they should reference fury, keep SHIELD in it, but have tony become the head of the avengers, or have black widow (whos gonna be in it -- emily blunt prolly) be the leader. anyways, id want fury in it, but if he isnt too bad but no hard feelings, if he is cool cant wait. either way nothing will stop me from seeing IM2 opening night/day.

[Octoberist]

is Hawkeye going to be in too?

[Cagefighterkip]

is Hawkeye going to be in too?

rumors persist "yes" :) :)

[DarkSuperman]

rumors persist "yes" :) :)

Hawkeye in Iron Man 2? :huh:

[Octoberist]

I wonder if he's going to have his costume. His purple one.

[DarkSuperman]

I wonder if he's going to have his costume. His purple one.

knowing hollywood it will be purple and black leather. :whatever:

[TheVileOne]

Posters here just like to throw Marvel under the bus at the drop of a hat.

[FaT_tONle]

I am sure they can work Hawkeye in there... personally I'd save him for Avengers... I think IM2 is too packed as it already is. But back to Fury... this is really an Avengers issue. No one would care if he is absent from IM2... but because of them gearing it towards the Ultimates... I can not fathom how they would not have Fury in the movie. And I doubt they will go back to 616 with what has already transpired.

Posters here just like to throw Marvel under the bus at the drop of a hat.

And there are posters who will give them the benefit of the doubt every time an issue arises...

[TheVileOne]

I don't really trust Samuel L. Jackson.

Marvel Studios didn't make THE SPIRIT or SNAKES ON A PLANE. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because there's no reason to doubt them at this point in time.

You guys are just looking at this from one side of the story.

Someone's even saying they are shafting the black actors. Uh then why would they even want Don Cheadle to work for them at all?

[FaT_tONle]

I don't really trust Samuel L. Jackson.

Marvel Studios didn't make THE SPIRIT or SNAKES ON A PLANE. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because there's no reason to doubt them at this point in time.

You guys are just looking at this from one side of the story.


And this is relevant because???

Someone's even saying they are shafting the black actors. Uh then why would they even want Don Cheadle to work for them at all?

Yeah... a Caucasian actor is going to step in and play Rhodes... :whatever:

Apparently to some people... Marvel is incapable of doing anything wrong and they are going about this the right way. And all you are basing that on is a 300 million dollar effort with IM. That means absolutely nothing at this point.

[Octoberist]

but judging at Sam's track record as of late, I would THINK that Sam might be rattling the cages in the negotiations. I think Marvel might be on the cheap sides in the contract dealings, but I can't help but to think that Sam is stirring something. I hate to jump to conclusions like this but I can't help it.

[FaT_tONle]

but judging at Sam's track record as of late, I would THINK that Sam might be rattling the cages in the negotiations. I think Marvel might be on the cheap sides in the contract dealings, but I can't help but to think that Sam is stirring something. I hate to jump to conclusions like this but I can't help it.

I just am curious... where is the history of SLJ pulling off crap like this? Until someone shows me that evidence... how are we gonna trust Marvel and not him? I just find it hard to believe a guy that takes pay cuts to be in three crap ass SW prequels pulls this off. Once someone presents that evidence, I really don't want to hear it.

[Chewy]

Trust Marvel? About what? Marvel hasn't said **** about this :huh:

At the end of the day, these are still active negotiations and this is just SLJ venting to this journalist that the negotiations aren't as smooth as he may have liked.

[FaT_tONle]

Trust Marvel? About what? Marvel hasn't said **** about this :huh:

So we are going to blame SLJ in the meantime? Give me a break... SLJ has stated they have hit a "MAJOR" snag... that doesn't sound like the deal is getting done anytime soon... whomever is to blame.

And how am I gonna trust a studio that nearly lets their lead director walk... lemme guess? We are going to pin that on Favs as well???

[Figs]

but judging at Sam's track record as of late, I would THINK that Sam might be rattling the cages in the negotiations. I think Marvel might be on the cheap sides in the contract dealings, but I can't help but to think that Sam is stirring something. I hate to jump to conclusions like this but I can't help it.


I wouldn't hold that against them.

First off they are a new film company which means they don't have nearly as big of a bankroll as most movie studios.

Marvel has been trying to get good actors in their movies to help up the quality. Just think of the Avengers, if they had all these well known to big movie stars in that one film and they had to pay them what they normally get paid there would be barely any $$ for all the effects needed for a team up movie.

If the actors don't like taking a paycut well that's too bad.

I understand Samuel L. Jackson is big, hell I love the guy but he's been making some highly questionable films lately. I don't care if he's in the spotlight at the moment or has been for awhile. If it's all because of pay he can suck it, actors/actresses should get pay increases based on the quality of their performances as well as the movies they pick.

If someone keeps picking flops regardless of being a great actor for example, they're not going to get much of an increase and be a big player in Hollywood.

Only other reasons I could think of why SLJ would drop out is due to screen time or he has other films planned during the shooting of IM2.

[Chewy]

Why does this have to be "pinned" on anyone? SLJ not coming back is just a hypothetical situation at this point, just like the Favs thing was.

[kedrell]

At the end of the day, I'm a Marvel fan, not a SLJ or Terrence Howard fan. Marvel is the reason I come to sites like this, not any particular actor/actress. Marvel Studios made 2 well received movies in one year on their first try. No big studio has come close to that in the superhero genre. I think Marvel is choosing to be discreet in this process with SLJ whilst he obviously has not.

[TheVileOne]

Trust Marvel? About what? Marvel hasn't said **** about this :huh:

At the end of the day, these are still active negotiations and this is just SLJ venting to this journalist that the negotiations aren't as smooth as he may have liked.
That's not cause to bash Marvel over this.

[Chewy]

I know, and I didn't bash Marvel.

He phrased it as "we have to trust either Marvel or SLJ about this" and I was asking him what he was talking about.

[Sawyer]

I really hope they can work all this out. Jackson is such the perfect guy to play Fury! Dont do us like this, Marvel...

[FaT_tONle]

Fine... let's let it play out. I will probably STILL give Marvel a pass even if they botch this SLJ thing up. It's not a back breaker if they lose him... but if they lose Norton over some crap like this... when will it end? That's when I will start losing faith.

[TheVileOne]

Listen, not saying it will go down this day, but would it be so terrible if Jackson is not Fury?

[FaT_tONle]

Depends who they replace him with... A) a straight up recast... B) 616... but then they need to redo that scene completely. And flesh it out more. No way can you just ignore that after credit thing in IM and just jump in without explaining how Fury/Stark met.

[Darthkush]

THE SPIRIT.

Seriously. That's why, he's suddenly "too expensive". I think for a lot of people in Hollywood, that was the end of Jackson's continuously never ending free pass. I love Jackson but it does appear sometimes that he'll do anything you offer to him.

[The Guard]

I guess we'll see. If he really isn't Nick Fury in IRON MAN 2...who cares? James Rhodes was a far more important character and he was recast without a second thought. I'd love to pretend Jackson gave some incredible performance that we must see carried over into another film...but he read some lines.

If he's going to whine about money, screw him. Sam Jackson's not the best actor, and a lot of people could play Nick Fury. The question is...will Nick Fury be another black actor, for continuity's sake, or will they go a more faithful route?

[aka Kal el]

I wouldn't hold that against them.

First off they are a new film company which means they don't have nearly as big of a bankroll as most movie studios.

Marvel has been trying to get good actors in their movies to help up the quality. Just think of the Avengers, if they had all these well known to big movie stars in that one film and they had to pay them what they normally get paid there would be barely any $$ for all the effects needed for a team up movie.

If the actors don't like taking a paycut well that's too bad.

I understand Samuel L. Jackson is big, hell I love the guy but he's been making some highly questionable films lately. I don't care if he's in the spotlight at the moment or has been for awhile. If it's all because of pay he can suck it, actors/actresses should get pay increases based on the quality of their performances as well as the movies they pick.

If someone keeps picking flops regardless of being a great actor for example, they're not going to get much of an increase and be a big player in Hollywood.

Only other reasons I could think of why SLJ would drop out is due to screen time or he has other films planned during the shooting of IM2.

Finally someone who gets it! Thank you Figs! You obviously have some idea how this town works. I still wish SLJ the best but like I stated earlier it could bite him in the @#$. We will just have to wait and see. Though i wouldn't panic yet.:word:

[aka Kal el]

At the end of the day, I'm a Marvel fan, not a SLJ or Terrence Howard fan. Marvel is the reason I come to sites like this, not any particular actor/actress. Marvel Studios made 2 well received movies in one year on their first try. No big studio has come close to that in the superhero genre. I think Marvel is choosing to be discreet in this process with SLJ whilst he obviously has not.

You make a very good point my friend:word:

[JerseyJoker]

ROFL at the people here who are critizing Marvel in any of these situations, when they are dealing with actors trying to get more cash out of an independent studio.

Big surprise that Sam or Howard both want more money after seeing what IM did boxoffice wise. Marvel is an independent studio still, they cant be affording this. But in the end if Fury isn't in the film, thats fine with me, less crowded, but you NEED Fury in Avengers, so if they can lock him down for that, all will be cake.

For Howard, **** him. He always has this prima dona attitude and if he thinks he deserves more money than RDJ, then screw him, Iron Man lives and ends on RDJ's shoulders nobody else.

[Spider-Vader]

I hope Jackson gets in. Cut out Black Widow, we don't need her.

This all leads back to retarded banks who gave out loans to bums who couldn't repay them. Obama better fix this s*** before it becomes the Despression 2.

[CapFirstAvenger]

Samuel Jackson's cameo was AFTER the credits of Iron Man. Most people I know didn't even stay afterwards to see it. Don't get me wrong, I loved his portrayal of Nick Fury for the minute or two we got to see it, but it's not going to bother me if he is re-casted.

[DarkSuperman]

I just am curious... where is the history of SLJ pulling off crap like this? Until someone shows me that evidence... how are we gonna trust Marvel and not him? I just find it hard to believe a guy that takes pay cuts to be in three crap ass SW prequels pulls this off. Once someone presents that evidence, I really don't want to hear it.

I agree. Sam Jackson is a Geek at heart so I doubt he'd be doing anything to jeopardize his chances of being in another geek movie. He loves this stuff like us so I find it hard to believe its all on him.

[FaT_tONle]

Well if this recasting carousel continues... expect the only continuity to come from the bridge films in 2010 leading into the Avengers in 2011. Beyond that... ALL BETS are off. Expect even LESS continuity between IM2/IM3 by the time that flick rolls around. Hell... if Avengers gets pushed back a year or more... I wouldn't even expect continuity between Avengers the solo films released in 2010. They'll end up recasting BW... maybe they'll even recast Fury a second time. You usually expect continuity to be there with only a two year gap... I think it will be a stretch for Marvel maintaining continuity over one year.

[Chewy]

For ****'s sake FaT_tONIe, it seems like you overreact to every little piece of news that ever comes out. They are STILL NEGOTIATING. Negotiations hit snags all of the time in Hollywood. It is the nature of the business. It does not mean SLJ is out. The ONLY role they have recast at this point is Rhodes.

[Spider-Fan]

He's not gone yet guys! Geez. Raimi mentions liking Morbius, you assume he's in SM4 and Raimi is crazy. Favs says he's negotiating for IM2, everyone assumes he's leaving. NEGOTIATION HASN'T ENDED!!! Don't you think it might be possible that Jackson wants to get the public on his side by taking this to the press and get his money that way, so he makes it seem more dire than it is? This is how you play the economics game people. When Sam drops out, then you ca worry. But, THAT HASN'T HAPPEND!!! Don't take ever little bit of news to heart, and don't freak out about things that are not official.

Give it times guys. SHEESH!!!

[StylishHokie21]

Let's hope Jackson stays.

[Rac]

Mainstream never saw the end credits scene. Let's "reboot" with 616-Fury.

(yeaah, not gonna happen)

[The Ace of Knaves]

So we are going to blame SLJ in the meantime? Give me a break... SLJ has stated they have hit a "MAJOR" snag... that doesn't sound like the deal is getting done anytime soon... whomever is to blame.

And how am I gonna trust a studio that nearly lets their lead director walk... lemme guess? We are going to pin that on Favs as well???

So Jon Favreau nearly walked away? I find that very, very, very hard to believe. Where did you get this info?

[Carlo Comicus]

This news, for me, it's ********.

[Kahoot]

Think somebody saw The Spirit? Ah, I kid, I kid. :oldrazz:

If Marvel Studios is considering someone else, maybe the fans who called for a traditional Fury will get what they want for the sequel.
How are they gonna explain that? Say he's ne new age Wacko Jacko?

Didn't SLJ say a thousand times that he wouldn't be in Iron Man 1? Then he was.

[The Ace of Knaves]

The only way they could get round changing him completely ie. race. Is by saying SLJ's Fury was a decoy or something.

[Kahoot]

Hmmmmm...what's up with Marvel shafting all the black actors? Like they're expendable or something? "Oh well, we'll just get another dude to fill your spot. No ones going to notice...or care. Peace out Sam and Terence! Someone get Louis Gossett, Jr. on the phone!"

I'm just saying...
They do all look the same ;)


The only way they could get round changing him completely ie. race. Is by saying SLJ's Fury was a decoy or something.
Yeaho coz a white guy would have a black guy as a decoy. I can see it now, next time Obama is on TV he'll be white coz it'll be a Decoy all the time.

[[A]]

:pal:

[The Ace of Knaves]

:hehe: Well I'm not saying that would be a good idea...

[[A]]

maybe it was all a dream............................

[louiebling$]

Yea like the Ace says Nick does use Hologram style disguises...

[FaT_tONle]

So Jon Favreau nearly walked away? I find that very, very, very hard to believe. Where did you get this info?

There were reports that Fiege was planning to move on... the quotes that came out were "Marvel is convinced IM2 could be a success without Favs"... again.. a lot is speculation. But I think there is some truth to it.

[Iron_Stark]

They do all look the same ;)



Yeaho coz a white guy would have a black guy as a decoy. I can see it now, next time Obama is on TV he'll be white coz it'll be a Decoy all the time.

LOL.

I think what the poster meant was a decoy like Ra's/Ducard in Batman Begins.

[RaZaTrOn]

Does it really matter if Samuel L Jackson doesn't come back for a character he played for less than 3 minutes in an after credits scene that the majority of movie goers probably didn't see?
I don't really think it is.. sure it's a kick in the nuts from Marvel for us but it's not drastic. IF it's true they shouldn't even bring it up in IM2. Either way they would have to introduce Fury again because like i said the majority wouldn't have seen the scene. So they'd be like 'who the hell is this guy?'.

I think it's better. Only because i'm a 616 fan and not much of a fan of the Ultimate universe.

I don't know if anyone has said any of what i've said. But yeah just my thoughts.

[kedrell]

Does it really matter if Samuel L Jackson doesn't come back for a character he played for less than 3 minutes in an after credits scene that the majority of movie goers probably didn't see?
I don't really think it is.. sure it's a kick in the nuts from Marvel for us but it's not drastic. IF it's true they shouldn't even bring it up in IM2. Either way they would have to introduce Fury again because like i said the majority wouldn't have seen the scene. So they'd be like 'who the hell is this guy?'.

I think it's better. Only because i'm a 616 fan and not much of a fan of the Ultimate universe.

I don't know if anyone has said any of what i've said. But yeah just my thoughts.

Try 20 seconds. I just went back and checked.:cwink: No one who has only a 20 second cameo is EVER irreplacable.

[November Rain]

stan lee is not replaceable and his cameos are less than 20 seconds long...

[[A]]

Except for that scene that thankfully they didn't use in Iron Man (check the dvd extras)

[kedrell]

stan lee is not replaceable and his cameos are less than 20 seconds long...

Yeah but he's the almighty Creator, so I'd say he falls under the heading of the exception that proves the rule.:cwink::woot:

[kedrell]

Except for that scene that thankfully they didn't use in Iron Man (check the dvd extras)

Yeah, I saw that. I read it in the novelization first and there it seemed funny and cool. But Stan's just not that good an actor.

[Spider-Fan]

Here's my easy way to explain a 616 Fury being introduced: They're not the same person. They could make the identity of Nick Fury more of a title they give to certain people as opposed to him just being one man.

I prefer not to use this explanation, but if they have to replace Jackson, an explanation like this might be needed.

[The Ace of Knaves]

Yea that could work. Have "Nick Fury" be a call-name that is passed down or something.

[FlawlessVictory]

^That's way too much work to explain a scene that was only a few seconds long tacked on to the end of a movie after the credits! Plus that idea sounds like the whole Ra's Al Ghul scenario.

It's not that big of a deal. If they can recast Rhodes without batting an eye, then they will do so for Fury as well, if it comes down to that.

[Spider-Fan]

It only takes a few seconds to explain really. Just have Tony ask him in Avengers or something. I do agree it probably needs no explanation, unless many people begin to complain about it.

[The Ace of Knaves]

Yo SF when is the new chapter out?

[Spider-Fan]

Yo SF when is the new chapter out?

I'm going to work on it tomorrow when I get back to my apartment. At my mom's today, whom had surgery this morning to fix a bunch of knee ligaments.

[The Ace of Knaves]

Ouch! Hope she is ok! :D

Looking forward to the next chapter :up:

Will I be in it? :D

[Spider-Fan]

Ouch! Hope she is ok! :D

Looking forward to the next chapter :up:

Will I be in it? :D

Yep...Everyone is going to be :up:

[The Ace of Knaves]

HAHA yes yes! :D

[Spider-Fan]

HAHA yes yes! :D

I just hope voting participation increases :csad:

[The Ace of Knaves]

Well all you can do is keep your excellent stories coming. If people miss out, it's their loss!

[Spider-Fan]

Well all you can do is keep your excellent stories coming. If people miss out, it's their loss!

This is true :up:

I'll just send my peeps to bust kneee caps later anyway :word:

[The Ace of Knaves]

HAHA you can count on me bro. :D

[Spider-Fan]

HAHA you can count on me bro. :D

*Gets menacing look*

Excellent :grin:

[Kahoot]

I think it's better. Only because i'm a 616 fan and not much of a fan of the Ultimate universe.
This buggs me. So what if you like 616 more than Ultimate or Ultimate more than 616.

SLJ is a cool guy that was playing a cool role. Probably just coz Ultimate Fury was based on him but it's a well needed black part. War Machine almost felt like Iron Man's tolken black.

If they can make the Kingpin black in Deardevil then they should make Fury black in the new movies.

[Lord Doom]

Damn. Ever since I heard about the Jonas Brothers movie, it's been one piece of bad luck after the other.

[RaZaTrOn]

If SLJ is in Iron man 2 as Nick Fury he still needs to be introduced to all the people who didn't sit through the *however long credits were* of credits.. which like i said is probably a majority.
This is an opportunity for Marvel to get a 616 Fury.
There's rumours of a Nick Fury film (i think) so maybe what they have in mind is WW2 action with howling commandos and they want to go the white route.

[OsGom]

This is no big loss. It is an IRON MAN movie after all. The money they were going to spend getting SLJ could be better spent elsewhere. Don't get me wrong, I was amped to see him with the eyepatch but be realistic. It was a 20 sec cameo.

SLJ is going to hold out on IM2 where yes maybe he's not getting his normal primo movie whore price but he needs to look to the future. A smaller paycheck in IM2 could turn into major bucks if Marvel decided to adapt an Agent of Shield franchise. Which is a very real possibility.

Let Sam go and do The Man pt II. Give Nick Fury to someone who wants the opportunity to have his own franchise. Keep him black. Make him white. I don't care just make sure you give it to someone who is passionate about he characters potential.

FYI>>>I personally don't think Clooney will touch another superhero property with a 10ft pole after the B & R fiasco.

[aka Kal el]

He's not gone yet guys! Geez. Raimi mentions liking Morbius, you assume he's in SM4 and Raimi is crazy. Favs says he's negotiating for IM2, everyone assumes he's leaving. NEGOTIATION HASN'T ENDED!!! Don't you think it might be possible that Jackson wants to get the public on his side by taking this to the press and get his money that way, so he makes it seem more dire than it is? This is how you play the economics game people. When Sam drops out, then you ca worry. But, THAT HASN'T HAPPEND!!! Don't take ever little bit of news to heart, and don't freak out about things that are not official.

Give it times guys. SHEESH!!!

:applaud:word:

[sabetoonth]

ohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodohmygodo hmygodohmygodohmygod!

[Darkness Falls]

Samuel L. Jackson May No Longer Be Nick Fury ?

Forgive the over reacting but

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :csad:

[RogueDK]

Samuel L. Jackson May No Longer Be Nick Fury ?

Forgive the over reacting but

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :csad:
My sentiments exactly. :whatever:

[The Batman]

while complaining is premature...I cant exactly blame fanboys

Marvel wants to build this connecting universe, but they cant even promise that most of the actors will come back to the roles their playing...sure, its stupid to throw marvel under the bus so soon, but the cracks are forming...if you're gonna plan something like this, you gotta ensure things work out. We've already have recast War Machine...there's fear that ed norton wont come back for avengers...and this of course. It'll be interesting to see what happens next

[RogueDK]

while complaining is premature...I cant exactly blame fanboys

Marvel wants to build this connecting universe, but they cant even promise that most of the actors will come back to the roles their playing...sure, its stupid to throw marvel under the bus so soon, but the cracks are forming...if you're gonna plan something like this, you gotta ensure things work out. We've already have recast War Machine...there's fear that ed norton wont come back for avengers...and this of course. It'll be interesting to see what happens next
You're right that there seems to be a pattern forming here with Marvel and not in a good way. However I'll hold out hope that this particular riff can be mended smoothly and the project can move along without another snag.

I want Jackson to return in the role. :csad:

[Spider-Vader]

http://www.dedroidify.com/blogimages/No-Darth_Vader.jpg

[Heretic]

Samuel L Jackson lost his cool factor a few years ago. The only people who still get excited over him and still quote Snakes On A Plane just havent gotten the memo.

This is good. Marvel deserves this. Ive been reading Nick Fury comics my entire life...and at the risk of sounding racist...he's a white guy.

However, Marvel changed his character considerably and also turned him black for no reason in the Ultimate comics just because...well...some writer thought Sam Jackson was cool.

Then, when it came time to have Fury in a movie, Marvel decided to go with the character whos been around for a couple of years over the one with decades of great comics under his belt.

So yeah...I hope they cant afford him...or I hope they are so fascinated with having the amazingly awesome Sam Jackson in a movie that they write him a blank check, and force the director to cut back on everything else instead.

Whatever works for Marvel (I bet you they give Jackson as much as he wants...)

[November Rain]

jackson should be paying marvel to play this role....

[Spider-Vader]

Nick Fury could make Jackson cool again.

[RogueDK]

Whatever works for Marvel (I bet you they give Jackson as much as he wants...)
It also depends on how many scenes he has in the sequel but yeah, Marvel has the money and if Jackson can get it, I say more power to him. Most of us probably would too if we thought that we could get away with it.

[Lord Doom]

Samuel L Jackson lost his cool factor a few years ago. The only people who still get excited over him and still quote Snakes On A Plane just havent gotten the memo.

This is good. Marvel deserves this. Ive been reading Nick Fury comics my entire life...and at the risk of sounding racist...he's a white guy.

However, Marvel changed his character considerably and also turned him black for no reason in the Ultimate comics just because...well...some writer thought Sam Jackson was cool.

Then, when it came time to have Fury in a movie, Marvel decided to go with the character whos been around for a couple of years over the one with decades of great comics under his belt.

So yeah...I hope they cant afford him...or I hope they are so fascinated with having the amazingly awesome Sam Jackson in a movie that they write him a blank check, and force the director to cut back on everything else instead.

Whatever works for Marvel (I bet you they give Jackson as much as he wants...)
When?

Personally, I'd be quite upset if they had Nick Fury as a white guy in the next film he appears in. There needs to be more brothas in comic books, people. Who we gonna get? Black Panther? *****, please. We all know that Black Panther was just a lame excuse to get a black man in tights. Nobody's gonna wanna see a Luke Cage movie either. It'll just be "Ghost Rider" all over again. Black Nick Fury, in my opinion, was one of the few things Ultimate Marvel did right. Being a black comic book reader, myself I was ecsatic to see a black man as an important character in Marvel (for once). And you know they're not gonna put the Falcon in the Avengers movie, so, without Samuel L. Jackson, we're gonna have a bunch of white guys running around in costumes (again) :whatever:

[FaT_tONle]

When?

Personally, I'd be quite upset if they had Nick Fury as a white guy in the next film he appears in. There needs to be more brothas in comic books, people. Who we gonna get? Black Panther? *****, please. We all know that Black Panther was just a lame excuse to get a black man in tights. Nobody's gonna wanna see a Luke Cage movie either. It'll just be "Ghost Rider" all over again. Black Nick Fury, in my opinion, was one of the few things Ultimate Marvel did right. Being a black comic book reader, myself I was ecsatic to see a black man as an important character in Marvel (for once). And you know they're not gonna put the Falcon in the Avengers movie, so, without Samuel L. Jackson, we're gonna have a bunch of white guys running around in costumes (again) :whatever:

Cheadle is confirmed for Avengers... why does Marvel needs to go out of their way to represent the minority here when they are already bringing these guys? Even JL:M script had John Stewart in there. And Eva Longoria may be in Avengers as Wasp. What else are they supposed to do? SLJ is overexposed... not like the public has not seen him. I want SLJ in there as much as anyone else... but if they let him go its business. Nothing beyond that.

[kedrell]

I'm kinda sick of some fans complaining about the lack of affirmative action in superhero movies. We heard this all during the LOTR days as well and the same answer applies IMO, that's how the characters were created and how fans came to love them. Changing their race merely to be politically correct is a wrong-headed thing to do. But that's just my opinion.

[Heretic]

When?

Personally, I'd be quite upset if they had Nick Fury as a white guy in the next film he appears in. There needs to be more brothas in comic books, people. Who we gonna get? Black Panther? *****, please. We all know that Black Panther was just a lame excuse to get a black man in tights. Nobody's gonna wanna see a Luke Cage movie either. It'll just be "Ghost Rider" all over again. Black Nick Fury, in my opinion, was one of the few things Ultimate Marvel did right. Being a black comic book reader, myself I was ecsatic to see a black man as an important character in Marvel (for once). And you know they're not gonna put the Falcon in the Avengers movie, so, without Samuel L. Jackson, we're gonna have a bunch of white guys running around in costumes (again) :whatever:

Sam Jackson hasnt been cool since he became a parody of himself.

So let me get this straight...you recognize the history of Nick Fury and just because you want a black character you actually PREFER a character that is just a thrown together bastardized version?

I'm not black...but I read black characters. I bought every issue of every Milestone comic (which Im willing to bet you did not), and unlike you I recognize that Black Panther is a very important character (though I try to forget that he recently beat Silver Surfer up with ease).

I dont want a black Nick Fury any more than I want a white Icon.

[Troy_Parker]

noez...noez!...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEZZZZZZ!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Doctor Doom]

It would be sad news indeed if the rumor is true about him being out of the loop, but I doubt it. He's a good actor, it's a good movie, there shouldn't be a big issue.

BTW I love the idea of a African-American Fury, I love it more that he was based on Samuel L. Jackson.

[Heretic]

Also, keep in mind...the awesome Sam Jackson KNOWS that Nick Fury is an integral part of the series that has only just begun. He knows that he may be called in to be in Thor and more then likely Captain America. He is threatening to walk away from a franchise that already had announced 3 more "sequels".

Why he do this?

Oh yeah...money.

He basically insulted Marvel, claiming they didnt have any money (and we all know that film company is on pretty solid ground). He also knows thaat replacing a black actor with a white one can be a tricky business. So, hes hijacking the production and trying to grab more cash.

I say fire him and move on. He can go be in an even longer streak of movies that no one bothers to see instead of the sequel to a 300 million dollar film.

[kedrell]

^Actually Phantom Menace was his biggest, though IM2 has a decent shot at beating that.

[FaT_tONle]

He basically insulted Marvel, claiming they didnt have any money (and we all know that film company is on pretty solid ground). He also knows thaat replacing a black actor with a white one can be a tricky business. So, hes hijacking the production and trying to grab more cash.

Dude... stop... SSSSSTOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPP... where are you coming up with this garbage? You want to speculate that's fine... but can we refrain on the completely unfounded accusations we are making here? The report implies NONE of this. You want to stir debate that's fine... but be real... be objective... :word:

[Heretic]

I am speculating that Sam Jackson is using this public statement of disinterest in continuing the role as a way to get a bigger paycheck.

That is absolutely nothing new in Hollywood, and Im not sure why he is immune to being called out for it.

What? You havent noticed that after EVERY Spider-Man film Kirsten Dunst claims shes done with the character and doesnt want to be in any sequels unless the money is right?

[RogueDK]

What? You havent noticed that after EVERY Spider-Man film Kirsten Dunst claims shes done with the character and doesnt want to be in any sequels unless the money is right?
Difference is, Dunst is crap; forget her lack of talent, she doesn't even look remotely close to Mary Jane, Jackson is awesome and he is Ultimate Nick. :word:

And with all due respect to you, Heretic, you're right that this is how the game is played in Hollywood, happens all of the time but also you have to spend money to make money. Marvel is developing an ugly habit of how they handle certain talents that they incorporate in their films. It just doesn't look good. There will be some who'll cry conspiracy because the two actors going through this issue happen to be black. Whether it's intentional or not, it does not look good. Let Downey or Paltrow demand a pay raise, think we'd have this problem?

I wasn't pleased with how the Howard fiasco was handled because I wanted continuity within the franchise but if they had their reasons for dropping him then I respected that. Howard wasn't even in Sam Jackson's league (Cheadle's a step up even if he looks nothing like Rhodey) as far a b.o. punch is concerned now Marvel is trying to welch on Jackson too? The man is a ticket draw on name alone; we all know that he's a talented actor.

Let's not forget the embittered Edward Norton and how he feels screwed over issues with TIH.

I honestly want both sides to reach an amicable resolution so we can just move ahead with a successful sequel...The drama should be in the movie, not before it can get started.

[FaT_tONle]

I am speculating that Sam Jackson is using this public statement of disinterest in continuing the role as a way to get a bigger paycheck.

That is absolutely nothing new in Hollywood, and Im not sure why he is immune to being called out for it.

What? You havent noticed that after EVERY Spider-Man film Kirsten Dunst claims shes done with the character and doesnt want to be in any sequels unless the money is right?

You guys don't want to make this a race thing... so when I ask "why can't a brotha get any love?"... All I get all is this anti-SLJ banter about how he is using these cheap Hollywood tactics to get a pay raise... when I don't recollect ANY HISTORY of the guy pulling these stunts in the past... also keeping in mind that the guy took paycuts working in a supporting role in a previous ultra-popular franchise... where is all this hate coming from? My question is... how come we didn't hear fans flaming Favreau for low balling Marvel by using these cheap Hollywood tactics when the guy went to the FANS... that's worse than going to the media. Going to the fans to up the ante up his paycheck. If we are going by what was reported, and if we have nothing but our own speculation to go along with what was reported... that was EXACTLY the case. So lemme guess... a key supporting player (Howard) AND SLJ... who HAS to be a key player in the Avengers movie... are these guys expendable? More so the Favs? Like the other poster said... it doesn't look very good on Marvel's part. And even if you agree with that assessment... don't tell me it's a no brainer.

Now I have tried to get to the bottom of the Howard thing... I can't figure it out. When I laid out my assumptions... no one really followed up. I guess we had gotten over it at that time. The point being... it's one thing to just accept what happened and move on... but if this becomes a pattern... and a disturbing one might I add... and a little actor named Ed Norton soon finds his ass on Marvel's chopping block... let's be fair. That's all I can say.

[Heretic]

Dunst being crap (and looking like el chupacabra) has nothing to do with anything. the fact is that she does it. When a comic movie is a blockbuster the cast and crew up their price to the point where making a sequel can be an iffy task.

Kirsten Dunst got exactly zero people in to see the Spider-Man movies. SLJ got absolutely zero people in to see Iron Man. Soooo...why are they getting raises?

What Favs did is different, he helmed a blockbuster that the fans overwhlemingly approve of. X3 was a massive success, but I dont think anyone would give him a raise top do X4. The public (rightfully) puts a lot of the quality of Iron Man onto Favs, and no one puts any credit to SLJ.

Regarding Marvels not so cool recent history with black actors...yeah...they better avoid any more of these are they'll be looking at trouble (deserved or not). Of course, they also infuriated Ed Norton, who's whiter than Wonder Bread. Marvel just seems to be a very difficult studio to work with. They did one movie, made over 300 million...ditched the costar and went into cheapskate mode with the director. Not good for the rep.

[FaT_tONle]

SLJ deserves a pay raise because he will likely be much more involved... especially in Avengers. Right now we don't know what is in store with Cap/Thor. If those movies/leads do not come across well to the GA and if those films are not runaway successes... then you can say those characters won't be the draw for the Avengers movie either. Not to mention Norton's uncertain status. Marvel can't assume they have future hits on their hands with these other projects. If those characters are not as successful, then a name like Jackson at least maintains some level of credibility with the project in regards to maintaining an all-star level cast... which is what they want. We don't know who those other actors will be. So you could make the argument that SLJ is the second biggest name they have right now. Not a guy you just let walk out the door.

[RogueDK]

Kirsten Dunst got exactly zero people in to see the Spider-Man movies. SLJ got absolutely zero people in to see Iron Man. Soooo...why are they getting raises?

You can't be sure of that. As crazy as it might sound, there are some people that flock to a certain movie because of who's starring in it; there are factions out there who love Dunst believe it or not and pay to see her so her draw ability wouldn't be zero. And you're totally wrong about Jackson because there were alot of people that I spoke to that went to see IM just for his cameo and have their nerd-gasms. Heck, they were having them during my first viewing of the film as soon as he made an appearance...

What Favs did is different, he helmed a blockbuster that the fans overwhlemingly approve of. X3 was a massive success, but I dont think anyone would give him a raise top do X4. The public (rightfully) puts a lot of the quality of Iron Man onto Favs, and no one puts any credit to SLJ.

You're giving Favreau too much credit. The star of this project is in fact Robert Downey, Jr. The public rightfully gives him the credit...not Favs. :whatever:

Regarding Marvels not so cool recent history with black actors...yeah...they better avoid any more of these are they'll be looking at trouble (deserved or not). Of course, they also infuriated Ed Norton, who's whiter than Wonder Bread. Marvel just seems to be a very difficult studio to work with. They did one movie, made over 300 million...ditched the costar and went into cheapskate mode with the director. Not good for the rep.
Thank you for at least acknowledging that. It just does not look good for Marvel to practice such tacky methods.

[el_chupacabra]

Dunst being crap (and looking like el chupacabra)

I take offence to that!!! :bh:

[OsGom]

SLJ deserves a pay raise because he will likely be much more involved... especially in Avengers.

So he should get a raise because of his involvement in a movie he hasn't yet done?? I love that logic! I am going to my boss tomorrow to request a raise on the project I am intending to do in a couple of years.

Listen, he can negotiate his fee when they start casting the Avengers movie.

If those characters are not as successful, then a name like Jackson at least maintains some level of credibility with the project in regards to maintaining an all-star level cast... which is what they want. We don't know who those other actors will be. So you could make the argument that SLJ is the second biggest name they have right now. Not a guy you just let walk out the door.

I'm sorry SLJ hasn't been credible for a while. The Man, Shaft, Snakes on a Plane, Jumper, The Spirit, Soul Men? I could go on. The fact that he is so talented makes his participation in the sheer number crap movies all the more perplexing.

I think Marvel is taking the right position in negotiating the cast.

Comic book adaptations are huge right now and I don't believe it is the "stars" playing the characters that give them credibility. It is the writing and the characters themselves that are giving actors credible opportunities. As I recall many fanboys hit the roof when RDJ was cast as Stark. The general concensus was he was a washed up, rehab, has-been. Now he is a fanboy darling. The clamour of Ledger being cast as the Joker was even worse and now he is iconic. Superheroes are allowing actors to be great again and giving them credibility.

Marvel seems to be committed to faithfully adapting their properties to the big screen their way. That means amongst other things strict budget control. Do you fans want to see IM going toe to toe with Dynamo in an all out aerial duel or do you want to see SLJ strutting around a control room in an eye patch saying, "I'm tired of all these armored mutha-fukas in my muth-fukin city!"

I say you got to trim a few egos to make a quality product then that is what you do. Let SLJ do a sequel to Snakes on a Plane. Let him miss out on the Avengers and possible Shield franchise due to his lack of vision. Wanting a large paycheck for a fairly minor roll today could be costing him a future franchise.

[Heretic]

I take offence to that!!! :bh:

Im sorry,

comparing you to that monster was just wrong of me.

[sabetoonth]

your right osgom, if he wants a big paycheck, maybe he should reconsider he options this role and its payment

[FaT_tONle]

So he should get a raise because of his involvement in a movie he hasn't yet done?? I love that logic! I am going to my boss tomorrow to request a raise on the project I am intending to do in a couple of years.

What makes you think he isn't a significant player in IM2? Sure I wouldn't bank on it... or you can write him out if you can't come to terms... but we don't know all the details do we? Plus if they can't sign him now... would they sign him for Avengers? Unlikely...

I'm sorry SLJ hasn't been credible for a while. The Man, Shaft, Snakes on a Plane, Jumper, The Spirit, Soul Men? I could go on. The fact that he is so talented makes his participation in the sheer number crap movies all the more perplexing.

I think Marvel is taking the right position in negotiating the cast.

Regardless... SLJ is still a big name. If they re-cast it will hurt the Avengers cast in the long haul. Right now there is no black actor that would make a better Ultimate Fury, and going back to 616 would confuse the **** out of people. Marvel needs these types of actors if they want to maintain that "all-star" level for Avengers.

Comic book adaptations are huge right now and I don't believe it is the "stars" playing the characters that give them credibility. It is the writing and the characters themselves that are giving actors credible opportunities. As I recall many fanboys hit the roof when RDJ was cast as Stark. The general concensus was he was a washed up, rehab, has-been. Now he is a fanboy darling. The clamour of Ledger being cast as the Joker was even worse and now he is iconic. Superheroes are allowing actors to be great again and giving them credibility.

That's true... but they made enough of a comittment to SLJ by getting that cameo in there... so even though T. Howard could have been the next huge star... going with Cheadle, a more proven actor, is far worse than bringing TH back. So if they cut SLJ its not only getting rid of an established star, but it also leads to another recast. And that never floats well with the general audience or fanboys for the most part.

Marvel seems to be committed to faithfully adapting their properties to the big screen their way. That means amongst other things strict budget control. Do you fans want to see IM going toe to toe with Dynamo in an all out aerial duel or do you want to see SLJ strutting around a control room in an eye patch saying, "I'm tired of all these armored mutha-fukas in my muth-fukin city!"

There won't be many motha-****as lines b/c these will be PG-13 films. Second, its a supporting role. Frankly... if he puts them past their budget, I cut him but I still make sure he is open to negotiations in future films. You don't want to complete tear that rift.

I say you got to trim a few egos to make a quality product then that is what you do. Let SLJ do a sequel to Snakes on a Plane. Let him miss out on the Avengers and possible Shield franchise due to his lack of vision. Wanting a large paycheck for a fairly minor roll today could be costing him a future franchise.

Maybe so, I think its a mistake to not make all attempts to get him in line for Avengers.

[Heretic]

Oh yeah...I disagree with the assertion that SLJ brought new bodies in to see Iron man.

Rogue stated above that people went to see iron man specifically because of SLJ and to have a geekgasm.

What is a geekgasm??? You mean when a comic book geek is overjoyed to the point of ecstacy??

Youd have to be a pretty big comic book geek to do that!

And if you really expect me to believe that comic book geeks werent going to see Iron Man until they found out about a Nick Fury cameo, then Im not buying it.

[FaT_tONle]

If you went on the blogs there were some fans who wanted to see IM because SLJ may have been in it. Not many people... but I did read those comments.

[Heretic]

Ah...so they are big comic geeks...who had no plans to see Iron man...and a 30 second appearance by Jackson got their 8 bucks.

Those people are full of crap. i simply dont believe that they would NOT have seen the film otherwise.

Its like...when Batman Begins 3 comes out...and if they were to announce that Playmates will be at the midnight showings to pleasure the male movie-goers...I may be excited about the Playmates and appreciate their presence, but Im going to see Batman either way.

[The Chibi Kiriyama]

People on the Internet always talk more loudly than the average moviegoer. Ask most people, and they'll probably say they didn't know Sam Jackson was in the movie because they left as soon as the credits started rolling.

[RogueDK]

Ah...so they are big comic geeks...who had no plans to see Iron man...and a 30 second appearance by Jackson got their 8 bucks.


Those people are full of crap. i simply dont believe that they would NOT have seen the film otherwise.

Of course they would see the film, perhaps the rumored addition of Jackson making a cameo in this solidified incentive?

And how are people full of crap when they paid their 8-10 bucks just like the rest of us to see this? Fans root for who or what they love. They could have a nerd-gasm over Tony Stark's car for all I care...doesn't make them full of crap.

[Heretic]

Of course they would see the film, perhaps the rumored addition of Jackson making a cameo in this solidified incentive?

And how are people full of crap when they paid their 8-10 bucks just like the rest of us to see this? Fans root for who or what they love. They could have a nerd-gasm over Tony Stark's car for all I care...doesn't make them full of crap.

My point is that the movie would have gotten their 8 bucks either way....therefore...Sam jacksons appearance in the movie is NOT what brought that 8 bucks to the franchise.

[RogueDK]

My point is that the movie would have gotten their 8 bucks either way....therefore...Sam jacksons appearance in the movie is NOT what brought that 8 bucks to the franchise.
Maybe...maybe not. It's possible for a potential viewer not to have interest in a movie until they hear of an actor/actress that they're a fan of in the first place. I've read on some threads on the net that the SLJ cameo was the highlight for them in IM and with me, that's fine...

[The Major]

Also, keep in mind...the awesome Sam Jackson KNOWS that Nick Fury is an integral part of the series that has only just begun. He knows that he may be called in to be in Thor and more then likely Captain America. He is threatening to walk away from a franchise that already had announced 3 more "sequels".

Why he do this?

Oh yeah...money.

He basically insulted Marvel, claiming they didnt have any money (and we all know that film company is on pretty solid ground). He also knows thaat replacing a black actor with a white one can be a tricky business. So, hes hijacking the production and trying to grab more cash.

I say fire him and move on. He can go be in an even longer streak of movies that no one bothers to see instead of the sequel to a 300 million dollar film.

I heard from the media after Iron Man Jackson really wanted to get to work. That couldn't have helped things creatively. Him getting more screen time would take away from other characters, including Tony himself. That's bad IMO. Sam should have known Fury's role would be a supporting character unless he's the star in a Fury solo flick.

[The Major]

You're giving Favreau too much credit. The star of this project is in fact Robert Downey, Jr. The public rightfully gives him the credit...not Favs. :whatever:

Downey Junior didn't do all the work himself. While he is the star Fav's contribution was at least equal, the difference is Fav's face isn't in front of the movie. It's in the little details that made the movie what it is. Without those details IM couldn't have been such a good movie, whether Downey was in it or not.

[marcvader]

You guys crack me up. Way too many people are overstating SLJ's importance to Marvel. The guy was literally in the movie for less than 30 seconds or so, after the credits no less, and the general audience had no clue the scene even occured. The general public is even oblivious to this so called "drama" with the salary dispute. The over reaction is just crazy.

[TheVileOne]

marcvader makes a good point.

People talking like Samuel L. Jackson's 30 second cameo as Nick Fury made the Iron Man movie the successs that it was need to get out of here and stop smoking the drugs.

[OsGom]

marcvader makes a good point.

People talking like Samuel L. Jackson's 30 second cameo as Nick Fury made the Iron Man movie the successs that it was need to get out of here and stop smoking the drugs.


I have to agree. Despite his participation in some major motion pictures and being a fanboy favorite, SLJ has been hit and miss for a long time. He is not going to make or break IM2, which keep in mind is an IRON MAN movie not a Nick Fury movie. I could care less if Fury is in the film in any form.

In addition it really pisses me off when people let celebrities get away with things simply because they are "big stars". Maybe if we held celebrities more accountable for their questionable career choices instead of blindly flushing our money away on their next crap project payday they would be more careful about how they apply their trade.

I think Marvel is indirectly and rightly saying that the characters and stories are what's important. There are plenty of good actors out there that can pull off these roles. ESPECIALLY a supporting role. SLJ may have the name, but there are plenty of veterans & rookies that are capable and dying to make their own name.

I was a fan of these characters WAY before Blade hit the big screen. I don't watch comic adaptations to see "big stars". I watch to see faithful and genuine adaptations of the characters I revere. I applaud Marvel for putting the desire to make a true and quality product ahead of the temptation to rely on the "star power" of a sell-out like SLJ.

Please undertand. I think SLJ has always been a great talent and I have liked him in many roles. I just feel like recently he looks for the easy payday rather that looking for the challenging role that will help him to grow as an actor. I hate to see him bring that attitude into this genre.

[RogueDK]

Downey Junior didn't do all the work himself. While he is the star Fav's contribution was at least equal, the difference is Fav's face isn't in front of the movie. It's in the little details that made the movie what it is. Without those details IM couldn't have been such a good movie, whether Downey was in it or not.
Just my opinion; Downey, Jr. carried the film that would have just been average at best at least to me. I didn't find Favreau's direction mind-blowing at all...

Maybe by the sequel, I will have changed my mind. We'll see.

[Heretic]

Downey (its not just paper towels anymore) did a great job...he WAS Stark. However, to minimize the directors role in making a great movie is ridiculous. every time a BAD comic movie comes out everyone blames the director, and now we have one of the best comic movies of all time and somehow the director was really just sitting there in his fancy chair holding a riding crop and smoking a cigar yelling "ACTION!"?

Give Favs his due....without him, Downey would have been a great Stark in a bad movie.

[RogueDK]

Downey (its not just paper towels anymore) did a great job...he WAS Stark. However, to minimize the directors role in making a great movie is ridiculous. every time a BAD comic movie comes out everyone blames the director, and now we have one of the best comic movies of all time and somehow the director was really just sitting there in his fancy chair holding a riding crop and smoking a cigar yelling "ACTION!"?

Give Favs his due....without him, Downey would have been a great Stark in a bad movie.
Hey, I'm not persecuting anyone here who thinks that Favs did a less than stellar job; that's your right. Downey's talent and charm just held my interests more. It's not ridiculous for anyone to think otherwise.

Like I said earlier, there are certain actors that might give one incentive to see a movie, Downey was that incentive for me because he's a fantastic actor despite his previous fall from glory in his career. I never said that Favs sucked at the directorial level on this...I thought the rest was just okay.

[Heretic]

You thought favs was "okay" and you also think that Samuel L jackson put butts in seats in was a big part of the success of the film.

Gotcha

[RogueDK]

You thought favs was "okay" and you also think that Samuel L jackson put butts in seats in was a big part of the success of the film.

Gotcha
No. Apparently you still don't understand what I said. :whatever:

I said that fanboys/non-fans of the character IM were excited that SLJ might have a cameo in this one and they said that that was reason enough to go see IM perhaps because they might be fans of the character and/or actor? Call it shallow all you want but moviegoers do it all of the time.

If the sequel calls for Ultimate Nick to have an integral part to the plot, it would be wise for Jackson AND Marvel to settle whatever discrepancies they might have amicably...even if just for image's sake. It doesn't look good.

[Heretic]

No, I understand what you are saying, and I say this again "They would have seen Iron Man either way". If there is ANYONE who says that they were not already going to see Iron man until they found out about a 10 second appearance by SLJ then those people are liars, plain and simple. I will exclude SLJs family and friends from that.

SLJ contributed virtually nothing to the film, yet you find reason to defend him...yet with Favs, you just dont see his contributions worth defending or commendable.

[RogueDK]

No, I understand what you are saying, and I say this again "They would have seen Iron Man either way". If there is ANYONE who says that they were not already going to see Iron man until they found out about a 10 second appearance by SLJ then those people are liars, plain and simple. I will exclude SLJs family and friends from that.

SLJ contributed virtually nothing to the film, yet you find reason to defend him...yet with Favs, you just dont see his contributions worth defending or commendable.
Heretic, please, there's no reason for us to argue about a difference of opinion. You've stated your passions on the subject and I've stated mine. I'd rather it not get heated over something neither one of us has control over, man.

SLJ must've attributed something from the roaring reaction the crowd gave during his appearance. Now just think what impact he might have in a sequel if he's given more airtime? Hopefully good.

[The Major]

SLJ must've attributed something from the roaring reaction the crowd gave during his appearance. Now just think what impact he might have in a sequel if he's given more airtime? Hopefully good.

I'd rather have a good story then have SLJ getting more screen time just because. The film must come first, not an actor who wants a big paycheck. They don't need Fury or SLJ to make a good IM film.

[The Major]

Just my opinion; Downey, Jr. carried the film that would have just been average at best at least to me.

What was average about the direction?

I didn't find Favreau's direction mind-blowing at all...

He did more then shoot scenes behind a camera. Fav was heavily involved with the script, got an excellent cast to act around Downey Jr., championed Downey Jr. for the role, got amazing special effects scenes.

Maybe by the sequel, I will have changed my mind. We'll see.

Okay.

[RogueDK]

They don't need Fury or SLJ to make a good IM film.

No, they don't. But it sure can't hurt to have him either.

What was average about the direction?

Well outside of Downey's great performace, everything was a little pedestrian to me. Really weak climax to the picture that could've been better... Actually the cave scenes were my favorite part of the film as he's designing the MK I armor.

Doesn't mean that I won't go see the sequel though.

[powerbomb1411]

No, they don't. But it sure can't hurt to have him either.



Well outside of Downey's great performace, everything was a little pedestrian to me. Really weak climax to the picture that could've been better... Actually the cave scenes were my favorite part of the film as he's designing the MK I armor.

Doesn't mean that I won't go see the sequel though.

I am going to make this presumption based on your avatar. How can you find Fav's direction simply average and hold The Dark Knight on such a high pedestal when it was such an average and over rated movie?

[RogueDK]

I am going to make this presumption based on your avatar. How can you find Fav's direction simply average and hold The Dark Knight on such a high pedestal when it was such an average and over rated movie?
Fine. If that's what you believe, more power to you. I'm not here to twist your arm on which one is the more superior.

[Heretic]

People cheered for SLJs appearance because it was unexpected...AND...it teased a mega-Marvel universe event to take place down the road. The average movie-goer thinks that Spider-Man, even Batman might be in a crossover movie dow the road. They cheered that moment.

If SLJ makes audiences cheer, maybe the movie he released after Iron man would have made a bigger splash at the box office. Instead, it fell flat and Downeys next film was a certified hit. Odd, huh?

[FaT_tONle]

Way off topic, but I will say this... and I am not trying to stir debate but I believe this will be the case... once people look back on this genre 10-15 years from now... I doubt people will still be talking about IM, Hulk, Spidey, etc... I'd expect none of these films to have any lasting impression. I do expect TDK to be talked about for years to come... and maybe that's because of Ledger... maybe not. But I agree that Marvel films have been very formulaic and pedestrain for the most part. Avengers will end up being a popcorn flick in all likelyhood. These things will come and go. At least we are enjoying it while it lasts...

[RogueDK]

People cheered for SLJs appearance because it was unexpected...

No.There was media speculation that he would be implemented somewhere in the movie as Nick Fury for weeks. That bit of news was all over the net to that fact.

If SLJ makes audiences cheer, maybe the movie he released after Iron man would have made a bigger splash at the box office. Instead, it fell flat and Downeys next film was a certified hit. Odd, huh?
C'mon, man...you gonna keep trying to dropkick me on this? And I thought that my son was unrelenting when it came to comic book debating... :lmao:

[louiebling$]

I am gonna jump into this

RogueDK u say Downey made the movie and That Favs Influence wasn't that visible... same could go for TDK...... Ledger stole the movie and made the movie despite Nolans Influence. So Both are on equal levels as fas as I'm Concerned.

[RogueDK]

^^^Look, that's fine with me. Although we all know that TDK is a comic book masterpiece from all involved, it's fine with me if there are factions on this thread that think otherwise or can't come to grips with TDK's awesomeness...

...including you, louiebling$ :woot:
* I joke of course...* Like what you like.

[Heretic]

I knew all about the filmed scene with SLJ, but I dont think I knew FOR A FACT that it was after the credits until just before the release of the film (maybe after, I dont think i saw it opening night).

The vast majority of the people on earth do not frequent comic book movie newsboards. Just because something was a big story here does not mean that 90% of the people in the crowd knew it was coming. The theater I was at was clearing out entirely until I yelled "theres a scene after the credits" and people stayed. Those people cheered Sam jacksons scene...but not out of any devotion to the actor...they just thought it was cool to maybe link other movies in...many pepople asked me who Nick Fury was as I was walking out.

[RogueDK]

^^^I guess it just depended on the viewing crowd; when I went, a majority of the crowd stayed after the credits to see Jackson's part. I'm sure there are various reason why- for Jackson, the extra scene,etc...

[Heretic]

^^^I guess it just depended on the viewing crowd; when I went, a majority of the crowd stayed after the credits to see Jackson's part. I'm sure there are various reason why- for Jackson, the extra scene,etc...

Sam jackson is a star. Iron Man was a massive hit. The concept of an Avengers movie eclipses both.

[RogueDK]

Sam jackson is a star. Iron Man was a massive hit. The concept of an Avengers movie eclipses both.
I just want them to settle this and move on with a better follow-up. And yes, I do want Jackson included in the franchise so all I can do for now is hope it all works out.

[Heretic]

Dont overestimate jackson though. His string of bad films hasnt destroyed his career, but he is now looked upon the way Chuck Norris is...like...Chuck Norris RULES...but its more of a gimmicky cool than a reflection of actual respect.

[louiebling$]

^^^Look, that's fine with me. Although we all know that TDK is a comic book masterpiece from all involved, it's fine with me if there are factions on this thread that think otherwise or can't come to grips with TDK's awesomeness...

...including you, louiebling$ :woot:
* I joke of course...* Like what you like.

Don't Get me wrong TDK was Phenomenal.... But to me the films cannot be compared they are both the best made comicbook film adaptions to date,but those films cannot be compared. For one both films have completly different directions on terms on Plot and overall direction. The Dark Knight was a Sequel to the origin film where Iron Man is the origin film.TDK is clearly supposed to be a dark film and has a very serious tone with very little humor or light in it whereas IM is a very lighthearted film and supposed to me an action comedy. You can't compare them,they are too VERY different films but Both are both incredible in their own ways.

[RogueDK]

Well, this could be the part that catapults his status,in the eyes of many, to what it was in the mid-late 90s.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Ah, the annoying The Dark Knight fans strike again.

[FaT_tONle]

I just want them to find the best possible solution if they have to get rid of SLJ... whatever the reason is for his departure. If they recast that's a serious downgrade... considering the character is based off SLJ. That would be a BIG mistake that I will probably never get over... like the Terrance Howard fiasco. If they go 616... I want them to establish new continuity that completely negates that SLJ's after credit scene. The problem is... I DO NOT think you can do that now for not only the obvious reason... but the scene in TIH let it be known that the SLJ/Stark meeting almost certainly took place prior to the scene with Stark and General Ross. If they reshoot a scene similar to SLJ's scene only this time with 616 Fury, then it will have had to take place two to three years prior to the primary events in Avengers... and that won't fit the continuity of the Avengers movie.

[Darkness Falls]

Damn this economic crisis

while there has been countless arguements about this

it would seem rather stupid to recast the actor that they based ultimate fury off
it really depends on how big his role in Iron Man 2 is, i am assuming his role would be bigger given the rumors about black widow and possible hawkeye as a shield agent being present

[louiebling$]

I just want them to find the best possible solution if they have to get rid of SLJ... whatever the reason is for his departure. If they recast that's a serious downgrade... considering the character is based off SLJ. That would be a BIG mistake that I will probably never get over... like the Terrance Howard fiasco. If they go 616... I want them to establish new continuity that completely negates that SLJ's after credit scene. The problem is... I DO NOT think you can do that now for not only the obvious reason... but the scene in TIH let it be known that the SLJ/Stark meeting almost certainly took place prior to the scene with Stark and General Ross. If they reshoot a scene similar to SLJ's scene only this time with 616 Fury, then it will have had to take place two to three years prior to the primary events in Avengers... and that won't fit the continuity of the Avengers movie.

O they can fix it to 616 .. He could say it was a Decoy Image or like his hologram Camoflages like he currently uses.

[Darkness Falls]

Most people outside the comic fan basis probably haven't seen the post credit scene anyway

[The Major]

I just want them to find the best possible solution if they have to get rid of SLJ... whatever the reason is for his departure.

So do I.

If they recast that's a serious downgrade... considering the character is based off SLJ.

It isn't the end of the world.

That would be a BIG mistake that I will probably never get over... like the Terrance Howard fiasco.

It may be a mistake, it just isn't a massive one. Actors are expendable, especially for minor characters. We're not talking about Tony Stark here. Howard's debacle is unfortunate, but it is Hollywood. Marvel apparently didn't want him for some reason so move on. Rhodey will still be around without him.

If they go 616... I want them to establish new continuity that completely negates that SLJ's after credit scene.

Now you're being silly.

The problem is... I DO NOT think you can do that now for not only the obvious reason... but the scene in TIH let it be known that the SLJ/Stark meeting almost certainly took place prior to the scene with Stark and General Ross. If they reshoot a scene similar to SLJ's scene only this time with 616 Fury, then it will have had to take place two to three years prior to the primary events in Avengers... and that won't fit the continuity of the Avengers movie.

All they'll need is a recast. There should be some good black actors who could do the role justice if SLJ can't be reached.

[OsGom]

Well, this could be the part that catapults his status,in the eyes of many, to what it was in the mid-late 90s.

This could be that role but if he believed that, then why publicly denegrate Marvel?

I just get the feeling he is pandering for a bigger paycheck based on his status as a "big star". A status I call into question considering his recent work.

SLJ remains a pulp icon, thus his reception as Nick Fury in IM, but his career has become a running joke.

Marvel should not hesitate to replace him if he wont agree to their terms.

[RogueDK]

This could be that role but if he believed that, then why publicly denegrate Marvel?

I just get the feeling he is pandering for a bigger paycheck based on his status as a "big star". A status I call into question considering his recent work.

SLJ remains a pulp icon, thus his reception as Nick Fury in IM, but his career has become a running joke.

Marvel should not hesitate to replace him if he wont agree to their terms.
We really don't know what all entails here; we still haven't gotten the precise lowdown on what happened with Terrance Howard being replaced now Jackson in contract disputes? Let's not jump to conclusions as to who's to blame. I do reinterate though, that it does not look good for Marvel to have these negative issues rearing their ugly head so constantly.
Like I said, I want this resolved smoothly so we can move ahead with the sequel...with Jackson onboard if possible.

[louiebling$]

This same thing happened with Faverau..and that was all rumor.. This could be the same.

[Clark Kent]

This same thing happened with Faverau..and that was all rumor.. This could be the same.

I'd forgotten that s*** about Favreau. First Favreau, then Howard, then Jackson. Jesus. Who next?

[TheVileOne]

Clark Kent. Get a grip.

Favreau's directing the movie last time I checked.

Jackson hasn't been re-cast the last time I checked either.

[Clark Kent]

Clark Kent. Get a grip.

Favreau's directing the movie last time I checked.

Jackson hasn't been re-cast the last time I checked either.

But there's still been controversy about each of them, hasn't there? That was all I meant. And it's looking like Jackson will get recast anyway.

[louiebling$]

Yea I pointed out the faverau example as a positive.

[Clark Kent]

Yea I pointed out the faverau example as a positive.

I know ya did. But Howard got recast. And I doubt very much if Marvel are gonna want Jackson back after what he's said.

[Heretic]

Marvel is starstruck by Jackson. They are under the false impression that he can help with box office. They will cave in and give him what he wants.

[FaT_tONle]

I certainly think SLJ was a draw for the SW prequels... and you want to tell me "Oh that was back in the day..." It was 2002-2005... not exactly back in the day... a couple of bad films does not make him the next Eddie Murphy...

[The Major]

This same thing happened with Faverau..and that was all rumor.. This could be the same.
Marvel needs Fav more then they need SMJ. That's why he's signed on to direct IM 2, while SMJ's bargaining aren't going so well.

[Joker's Lackey]

http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/chiwetel_ejiofor.jpg
How about Chiwetel Ejiofor(Serenity, Red Belt)

[The Major]

I'd forgotten that s*** about Favreau. First Favreau, then Howard, then Jackson. Jesus. Who next?
Isn't this type of contracting disputes normal with Hollywood, though? Each side wants the better deal and are willing to let public perception pressure the other.

[louiebling$]

All I'm saying is could be more rumor than fact.

[The Major]

http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/chiwetel_ejiofor.jpg
How about Chiwetel Ejiofor(Serenity, Red Belt)

He'd make a good Fury, but he should be Black Panther. :woot:

[The Major]

All I'm saying is could be more rumor than fact.
That's certainly possible.

[louiebling$]

http://www.jamati.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/chiwetel_ejiofor.jpg
How about Chiwetel Ejiofor(Serenity, Red Belt)

NO HE'S BLACK PANTHER :cmad:

[TheVileOne]

So what if there was controversy about Favreau? Most of it came from the internet.

When Kevin Feige spoke about it he simply said we want to try and get the same people that made the first one a big success, we already have a lot of groundwork laid down, won't take as long, and so on.

And then Favreau in a later statement agreed with that, and he came back as director.

The controversy or whatever it was, was overblown by whiney internet fanboys and message board posters. While I'm sure some people were skeptical about Favreau in 2006 as well.

I don't think the Jackson thing is a big deal. The scene in Iron Man was an awesome easter egg, but it doesn't make or break the movie or future movies.

I saw an early screening of Iron Man in Burbank. There was no Fury scene after the credits, but no one walked out of the theatre bemoaning that. It got a very big, positive reaction.

I know people geek out over Jackson playing Fury since Mark Millar drew Jackson as Fury in Ultimates. But that's not the be all end all take for Fury who has been around for decades.

I'm not saying he's going to be re-cast or it's OK to do it. But people need to just chill out the heck out. And you know maybe put a little more trust into the people who have made the movies we are so excited about. I feel this material is in good hands right now. That doesn't mean there won't be road bumps along the way.

[FaT_tONle]

Djimon Honsou could play BP as well... I like Ejefor for either role though...

[RogueDK]

All I'm saying is could be more rumor than fact.
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it were while fans on both sides of the issue bite each other's heads off.

[The Major]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it were while fans on both sides of the issue bite each other's heads off.
Rumors need to start somewhere.

[TheVileOne]

That's also true, but people are going nuts over this like it's the same thing with Howard and Favreau. Favreau is directing Iron Man 2. And we still don't know what the official word is for Fury.

We don't even know how Fury would figure into the story.

[Spider-ManHero12]

That sucks! He makes a great Nick Fury.

[Blackheart]

I'm guessing Marvel is trying to blackball SLJ also.

[The Major]

I'm guessing Marvel is trying to blackball SLJ also.
I disagree. They obvious wanted him badly enough for Fury in the first movie. IMO something must be going on in the bargaining that is making Marvel question whether they want to bring certain actors on or not. The thing is at the end of the day both SLJ and Howard are more expendable to Marvel then they believe they are.

[TheVileOne]

Fury though was just a 30 second cameo to Iron Man and I doubt any of us knows what the financial circumstances were.

None of us know what they would want to do with Fury in these movies. And again, I think months back Feige suggested that Fury could be played by someone else and the Jackson cameo was really for the fans.

[powerbomb1411]

We don't even know how big Fury's role is for Iron Man 2. For all we know, he asked millions for three minutes of screen time.

[ross2287]

And again, I think months back Feige suggested that Fury could be played by someone else and the Jackson cameo was really for the fans.

Well the redesigned Fury was based on Sam Jackson. So...yeah...

[Marz69]

I thought Nick would be in the avengers as well. So now due to money there might not even be a Nick Fury in Avengers/IM2 or he'll be played by someone else. :huh:

I hope they can find a way to work this out & get SLJ in it. Both sides need to compromise here. I would hate to lose him after his cameo in IM.

[GoldGoblin]

Maybe he requested a purple lightsaber.

[TheVileOne]

Well the redesigned Fury was based on Sam Jackson. So...yeah...

Fury did not look like Sam Jackson when he first showed up in Ultimate X-men and Spider-man before The Ultimates. He was black though.

[kedrell]

^Yeah, he used to look like that guy from Matrix Reloaded. The guy who was with Niobe and he thought Morpheus was nuts. I don't know his name but put an eyepatch on him and that was the original Ultimate Fury.

[RogueDK]

^Yeah, he used to look like that guy from Matrix Reloaded. The guy who was with Niobe and he thought Morpheus was nuts. I don't know his name but put an eyepatch on him and that was the original Ultimate Fury.
Harry Lennix you mean?

[kedrell]

I guess, he's not real well known to me other than for that role. I believe he was Lock.

[Artistsean]

Since Sam Jackson said he MIGHT not play Nick Fury in up coming movies,
Here is what I suggest Marvel films do from now on.

Enlist A level actors like Sam Jackson, Denis Quaid, Gary Sinise, James Earl Jones, Any big time, well known, and quality actors who would do it,
and just have a different big time actor play him in each movie.

Then the explanation would be that Nick Fury doesn't show himself, for safety reasons. And has many Decoy agents (like Sam Jackon in Iron Man) to stand in for him.

(It happens in real life. And its reasonable that a spy would do that.)

[DJ Kornphlake]

Dennis Quaid and Gary Sinise are A Listers?:huh:

[Artistsean]

A Listers might have been the wrong word,
I just meant big time, well known, veteran actors.
Not new, relatively unknown, or unnoticed until now actors.

[Threshold]

Dennis Quaid and Gary Sinise are A Listers?:huh:

Yeah, that confused me too...

[Artistsean]

The point is that instead of Nick Fury having various robot doubles, like in the comics, Fury has various agents standing in for him.
That way it would explain away Sam Jackson not being Nick Fury, and (like with Doctor Who) if on actor plays the part and then wants to leave it is also explained there too. Just replace them with another actor, the excuse is already set up.
Tony Stark: "Your not Nick Fury. I've met Nick Fury."
Nick Fury: "No actually you haven't. That wasn't really me. That was one of my doubles."

And, since they have already picked a well known actor like Jackson they can continue on picking actors with the same name recognition if they are willing to do it. If one of them stays on as Nick Fury, then he can say he is the real Nick Fury and Jackson's version was the double.
And say after two or three cameos that actor (say Quaid or Bruce Willis or someone) decides to leave too, then another actor could step in and say
"That other guy was my double too."

But it would have to made clear that Nick Fury isn't just a name or title, its a real agent. The real head of SHEILD, he just has doubles.

And if Jackson does play him again, disregard this idea until Jackson decides he wants out.

[louiebling$]

That could work

[fu manchu]

Since Sam Jackson said he MIGHT not play Nick Fury in up coming movies,
Here is what I suggest Marvel films do from now on.

Enlist A level actors like Sam Jackson, Denis Quaid, Gary Sinise, James Earl Jones, Any big time, well known, and quality actors who would do it,

.....like The Hoff. :cwink:

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc300/fumanchu2007/SHH/N_Fury.jpg

[Darkness Falls]

^^^ i don't care what others may think

the hoff is badass

[deathshead2]

Really easy to fix this. Tony is called to Shield Nick shows up as a white guy or he can still be black doesn't matter, Tony asks why does he look different and e can say he was using holograms to disguise himself or he was using a dummy robot. He's done both before.

[Chewy]

Here's Jackson talking about it:

http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/14251831/iron-man-2/videos/sam_fury_update_012209.html