Sam Rockwell is Justin Hammer

[Chewy]

Since that other thread turned mostly to Rourke discussion, I figure Rockwell deserves his own thread. Sounds like he's 100% on-board

Earlier this month, we brought you word that Sam Rockwell and Mickey Rourke were in talks to appear in “Iron Man 2″ (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/07/iron-man-2-casting-update-mickey-rourke-to-play-crimson-dynamo/) — possibly as the pair of villains Justin Hammer and the Crimson Dynamo (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/08/crimson-dynamo-whiplash-justin-hammer-in-iron-man-2-which-villains-should-mickey-rourke-sam-rockwell-play/). Now, Rockwell is ready to talk about his confirmed turn toward super-villainy and expressed excitement in an exclusive interview with MTV News.

According to Rockwell, “Iron Man” director Jon Favreau (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/jon-favreau) originally considered casting him for the role of Tony Stark in the first film, but he’s now on board to appear as Justin Hammer, a staunch corporate rival for Stark, in “Iron Man 2 (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/iron-man-2).”

“We had a phone conversation about it, and then I didn’t hear anything and that was it,” Rockwell told MTV of early conversations regarding the part that eventually went to Robert Downey Jr. (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/robert-downey-jr) One blockbuster film later, the phone conversation was accompanied by an offer to play Hammer, and Rockwell accepted.

“They were like, we don’t have a script but this is the deal and this is the character,” the actor told MTV.

Rockwell had plenty of reason to follow the events in Favreau’s film, even if he wasn’t cast the first time around.

“I was a fan of the movie,” he explained. “My girlfriend was in the first ‘Iron Man,’ Leslie Bibb.” (Bibb played reporter and Tony Stark’s quick fling Christine Everheart.)

Mixed signals flew around about Rockwell’s place in the new script when his involvement was first announced, but he acknowledged that he will be playing the part of straight-from-the-comics businessman and all-around bad guy Justin Hammer.

“Yeah, he’s a rival,” Rockwell nodded. “He takes over all the weapons stuff after Tony’s left.”

However, the “Choke” and “Frost/Nixon” actor shied when pressed for any more story details.

“I don’t know if he takes over Stark Industries,” he said. “I’m not really sure yet. He’s a money dude. That’s about all I can say.”

Asked if he would be excited to work with Golden Globe winning star of “The Wrestler” Mickey Rourke (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/mickey-rourke), Rockwell didn’t even need to think about it. “Yes,” he stated. “I never have met him. I’ve seen him a couple times.”

Though Rockwell stopped short of confirming Rourke’s casting.

“Is Mickey cast yet? I hope so,” he told MTV.

Predictions have Rourke stepping in to play either the Crimson Dynamo or Whiplash. And i all goes well, Rockwell expects to be on the “Iron Man 2″ set by spring.

“Mid-April maybe,” he estimates. “In L.A., I think.”
SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/15/exclusive-sam-rockwell-confirms-iron-man-2-role-almost-played-tony-stark/)

[FlawlessVictory]

^Good stuff, thanks for posting. And props to MTV for the quotes and confirmation.

[cerealkiller182]

aha, so hes definitely Hammer. Thats cool and all I was just really hoping he was Hawkeye. Its still Rockwell, the most underused talent in Hollywood, in Iron Man 2 so thats cool.

Didnt know he was dating Bibb.

Didnt know he was considered for Tony Stark either. RDJ was definitely the way to go, but Rockwell would have been cool too.

[kedrell]

Good to hear. I wonder if they'll have Hammer be Tony's age or if he'll be playing an older, more comics accurate gent. I guess we'll see soon enough.

[cerealkiller182]

im betting that hammer will be more Starks peer than older.

[FaT_tONle]

They can always age him up a bit with the makeup. There may be some Tim Robbins flashbacks in there... so I don't know who they'll use in those scenes. Wouldn't make sense if Hammer was a big player back in Howard Stark's days if he is a young character in this flick. They could go either way.

[cerealkiller182]

Oh yea, good call

[TheVileOne]

Why are we talking about age makeup? For all we know this might be a different younger take on the character?

Also, I guess this is a circumstance where accepting a role without reading the script is OK ;) .

[cerealkiller182]

Did you read what Fat TOnie said. He said Rockwell could be playing Hammer in 2 different generations as a rival to both Stark's father and Stark, an interesting speculation

[Keyser Soze]

I think there's a reason they cast someone who had been considered for Tony Stark as Justin Hammer. It sounds like Rockwell's Hammer will be portrayed as the anti-Stark.

[TheVileOne]

Honestly, Robert Downey Jr. aside, I can never picture Rockwell as Tony Stark. He's too much of a character actor.

Hopefully Rockwell's performance will redeem himself for his poor Zaphod.

[Doctor Jones]

Sounds very interesting. I'm really looking foward to this now. Since Hammer is running the weapons stuff he will probably be buying arms and weapons from the Russians. Which is where the ultimate weapon comes in: Crimson Dynamo.

Very cool stuff. And with Black Widow in, it could be very spy like. I'm getting a modern technological From Russia With Love with a superhero twist vibe here. Does that sound really cool to anyone else?

[Sawyer]

Sounds very interesting. I'm really looking foward to this now. Since Hammer is running the weapons stuff he will probably be buying arms and weapons from the Russians. Which is where the ultimate weapon comes in: Crimson Dynamo.

Very cool stuff. And with Black Widow in, it could be very spy like. I'm getting a modern technological From Russia With Love with a superhero twist vibe here. Does that sound really cool to anyone else?

Indeed. :up:

I just cant wait to find out who is playing Hawkeye, if he is actually in the movie.

[[A]]

Read about it an hour ago--good news :woot:

[SurfDUI]

This thing is freakin ROLLIN- Stark drove Hammer to damnnear maddness
I luvit

[kedrell]

^I thought it was the other way around?

[SurfDUI]

^I thought it was the other way around?

Yea, but Hammer has his own thing goin and he just wouldn't leave Tony alone about bein the only armor manufac around...got obsessed w/ it...I think he got Force goin before he became a good guy didn't he...

[kedrell]

Yeah, then Hammer murdered him by sabotaging his armor.

[SurfDUI]

Yeah, then Hammer murdered him by sabotaging his armor.

Riight..!
You doin another cover countdown?

[kedrell]

Unfortunately I can't this time. I'm going back to my career as a truck driver in February(my licencse has been suspended for 3 years due to tickets), so I'll rarely get to a computer to post on here(like once every 2-3 weeks). But I'm sure some other industrious individual will take up the challenge.

[SurfDUI]

Unfortunately I can't this time. I'm going back to my career as a truck driver in February(my licencse has been suspended for 3 years due to tickets), so I'll rarely get to a computer to post on here(like once every 2-3 weeks). But I'm sure some other industrious individual will take up the challenge.

I get my regular lic back tomorrow after 3+ years of living in the rear view, non payment of tickets...I FEEL YOU...well right on man:word: be safe.

[kedrell]

^Thanks. I'll still be around here for 2-3 more weeks though. Not going quite just yet.

[Slusho]

Leslie Bibb is his girlfriend?

Lucky man

[Antonello Blueberry]

Honestly, Robert Downey Jr. aside, I can never picture Rockwell as Tony Stark. He's too much of a character actor.

Hopefully Rockwell's performance will redeem himself for his poor Zaphod.
I like his Zaphod. And I think he's a terrific actor, and probably at Marvel they think it too as he was considered for both Banner and Blonsky too.

[kedrell]

^He could've made a great Stark or Banner. Keep up the good casting choices Marvel!

[Chewy]

:lmao: @ Rockwell knowing literally nothing about the character

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/18/sam-rockwell-planning-iron-man-2-movie-homework/

[Octoberist]

does anyone have a clip of Sam Rockwell in the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

"We're family".

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Rockwell and I are in the same boat because I don't know s**t about the character either.

[cerealkiller182]

I dont know anything other than what he looks like.

Did the character appear in the 90s Spidey cartoon?

[Spider-Fan83]

since they seem to be using there own take on the character, him knowing anything about the comic version, wouldn't really matter that much

[Congo Jack]

Did the character appear in the 90s Spidey cartoon?
Nope, but he was in the 90s Iron Man cartoon.

[cerealkiller182]

Nope, but he was in the 90s Iron Man cartoon.

I looked it up, it was Silvermane I was thinking of

[kedrell]

^I kinda suspected that. ;)

[Brian Braddock]

does anyone have a clip of Sam Rockwell in the first Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

"We're family".

No clip but.........

''You want regular or Menthol''? :woot:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/Samrockwell-tmnt.jpg



Anyways, awesome quality casting by the way Marvel.

Yet again.

[Figs]

For the people up above on this page, if your curious to learn about Hammer read the Demon in a Bottle storyline.

Having read it a number of times, I'm really excited thinking of the possibilites they can have for this sequel.

[Doctor Jones]

Yeah, Hammer is in Demon in a Bottle. Gives me more hope they use this for this film. If not this one, they HAVE to use it. The first comic book hero to deal with problems like those would be great to see on screen if done right.

[Figs]

Yeah, Hammer is in Demon in a Bottle. Gives me more hope they use this for this film. If not this one, they HAVE to use it. The first comic book hero to deal with problems like those would be great to see on screen if done right.


Only thing that worries me a little bit is that interview someone posted not too long ago. Favreau was saying something about how they were going to downplay the alcoholism since they still wanted the movies to be enjoyed by younger crowds...or something to that extent.

I was kind of bummed to hear they were essentially toning it down a notch for the 'families'.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Brian Braddock]

Hammer's behind the control of Tony's armour, isnt he?

Leading to the manslaughter of the Ambassador for which IM gets the blame and starts Tony's true descent into alcholism.

[[A]]

For the people up above on this page, if your curious to learn about Hammer read the Demon in a Bottle storyline.

Having read it a number of times, I'm really excited thinking of the possibilites they can have for this sequel.

Yeah, Hammer is in Demon in a Bottle. Gives me more hope they use this for this film. If not this one, they HAVE to use it. The first comic book hero to deal with problems like those would be great to see on screen if done right.

Good! Haven't got there yet but I will--I'm still reading the early IM years..

[Figs]

Hammer's behind the control of Tony's armour, isnt he?

Leading to the manslaughter of the Ambassador for which IM gets the blame and starts Tony's true descent into alcholism.


Yup. :cwink:

Good! Haven't got there yet but I will--I'm still reading the early IM years..


Right on. It's one of the biggest if not the biggest/well known Iron Man stories. I'm sure you'll like it, and believe me after reading it you'll understand what I meant about all the possibilites in my previous post.

[[A]]

Right on. It's one of the biggest if not the biggest/well known Iron Man stories. I'm sure you'll like it, and believe me after reading it you'll understand what I meant about all the possibilites in my previous post.
I'll post something around here when I'm done with it :up:

[Spider-Fan83]

the more I think about it, I don’t know if I like the idea of a younger Hammer
I mean, it kinda would take away from what makes Tony special, I thought he was suppose be like, boy genius, who's very advanced for his age, one of the youngest in his field, and to run a company,...

I think I’ve heard the idea suggested, that maybe he'll be playing a young Hammer, in a flashback (we've already heard rumors of Tim Robbins, playing Howard, so, we'll probably be seeing some flashback scenes)
I'd kinda prefer that (kinda hope thats what it is)

and then have an older actor, that kinda looks like him (or even have Sam, in make up to look older) play old Hammer in the present

[Brian Braddock]

^^There's nothing to say Hammer has to have the same level of smarts as Tony - he could be just a rival businessman with his own agenda; equal or better to Tony in some ways (business acumen, opportunism) but inferior in others (intellect).

Come to think of it - much like Obediah was in the 1st movie.

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I hope they keep it a little more faithful and make him older than Tony, but again, they may do something good by making them the same age. One thing I would love would be if it turned out that Hammer helped with the Iron Monger design, and then re-works and improves it to make Crimson Dynamo.

[Brian Braddock]

Linking them would be interesting, certainly.

[Octoberist]

I think Justin should carry a GOLDEN HAMMER with him at all times!!

"I'ts hammer time, Iron Man. You hear me..HAMMER TIME!" - - JUSTIN HAMMER

[Brian Braddock]

''You think you can touch me, Iron Man??

You can't touch this!!!!''

[mjdiddy1]

I think he should play a younger Justin Hammer in the movie to truly make him an equal to Tony or anti-Tony Stark. I don't know why I keep envisioning him as a Ezekiel Stane type character instead of his older Justin Hammer comic counterpart

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Linking them would be interesting, certainly.

It'd be a great way of linking the movies together also, making it a real franchise.

[FaT_tONle]

I think the Howard Stark rivalries and all the history there would take away from the film... let's just move forward. If Rockwell is playing a younger Hammer... why even bother with the flashbacks? Even if Bridges returned and they de-aged him. It would serve little purpose retracing those steps and detracting from Tony Stark and the modern day.... even if Tim Robbins is signed on it's not worth it. I wouldn't go out of my way to show what took place in the past.

[GNR]

Rockwell has that thing where you can love him one second and utterly hate his guts the next,it's going to be something to see against RDJ

[Chewy]

I have a feeling Rockwell is going to own this character and possibly the movie.

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^I have the same feeling. No offense to Rourke, I loved him in Sin City, but I'm more excited about Rockwell.

[cerealkiller182]

I'd be more excited if Rockwell was HAwkeye, but Hammer is cool too

[SurfDUI]

I know about Justin Hammer.
I don't think i could pick Sam Rockwell out of a line-up.

He been in anything cool-I can't place his face.

[kedrell]

^Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
Choke
The Green Mile(he was Billy the Kid)
Matchstick Men

to name a few.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Cool news!

[lucas8771]

^Confessions of a Dangerous Mind
Choke
The Green Mile(he was Billy the Kid)
Matchstick Men

to name a few.

Don't forget Galaxy Quest and Charlie's Angels. He was awesome in both of those.

[Chewy]

From Favs' Twitter:

Rehearsed today with Mr. Rockwell. http://twitpic.com/2hf93
SOURCE (http://twitter.com/Jon_Favreau/status/1398462013)

Here's the pic:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8479/4172151.jpg

[kedrell]

Thanks Chewy. Still wondering how their gonna do his character. Will he be Tony's age or be young in flashbacks dealing with Howard. We remain in the dark for now.

[Figs]

Nice!

Can't wait to see how Rockwell is going to play Hammer.

[R_Hythlodeus]

From Favs' Twitter:


SOURCE (http://twitter.com/Jon_Favreau/status/1398462013)

Here's the pic:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8479/4172151.jpg

I like those little IM dolls in the background

[Ironfan72]

Thanks Chewy. Still wondering how their gonna do his character. Will he be Tony's age or be young in flashbacks dealing with Howard. We remain in the dark for now.

Yeah, that crossed my mind to, because in the comics Hammer is around 80 yrs old, but it looks like they have updated him going with a "evil" version of Stark, hope Favreau clears that up sooner or later.

[Raiden]

Rockwell is an exceptional actor, and I'm sure that he'll do Hammer justice.

[Judson Caspian]

Ah, crap.

[Judson Caspian]

http://i41.tinypic.com/e3b6d.jpg

Something's wrong with this picture. Tip of the tounge... what could it be. Oh, I don't know... AGE? Unless they're putting on some serious make up, it'll be impossible to tell that he's Justin Hammer. You know that something's wrong when PETER CUSHING would've been a better choice.

[Spider-ManHero12]

From Favs' Twitter:


SOURCE (http://twitter.com/Jon_Favreau/status/1398462013)

Here's the pic:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8479/4172151.jpg Nice! Also, those figures in the background look great!

[Brian Braddock]

http://i41.tinypic.com/e3b6d.jpg

Something's wrong with this picture. Tip of the tounge... what could it be. Oh, I don't know... AGE? Unless they're putting on some serious make up, it'll be impossible to tell that he's Justin Hammer. You know that something's wrong when PETER CUSHING would've been a better choice.


You do know that Peter Cushing's been dead for 15 years, don't you? :oldrazz:

They're clearly going with a different take on the character in terms of age. I personally dont see what the big deal is.

[FaT_tONle]

I just hope he's not playing a 70 year old... just make him a Tony rival... rather than a Howard Stark rival. An update could work well.

[Judson Caspian]

You do know that Peter Cushing's been dead for 15 years, don't you? :oldrazz:
You do know how to read, don't you?

"Peter Cushing would've been a better choice."

I personally dont see what the big deal is.
Even if this was Batman & Robin, you couldn't see that.

[Chris B]

From Favs' Twitter:


SOURCE (http://twitter.com/Jon_Favreau/status/1398462013)

Here's the pic:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/8479/4172151.jpg

Rockwell is looking like a sleazy, SOB businessman. :up:

[kedrell]

You do know that Peter Cushing's been dead for 15 years, don't you? :oldrazz:

They're clearly going with a different take on the character in terms of age. I personally dont see what the big deal is.

Actually that's not really clear at all, which is the point of my post above.

[FaT_tONle]

Based on that look I am thinking MIT rival of Tony's that went on to do great things himself.

[Doctor Jones]

That's a good thought Tonle.

I like the look alot. And besides, this is early stages, the look could change. Hell, Bridges shaved his head. I think as Rockwell's hair grows they might make it looser and make some minor changes. But I like what I see. And it's cool to see a guy closer to Stark's age. The mirror image of Stark. I hope he's handeled well. I have a feeling he won't have alot of screentime though.

[FaT_tONle]

I have a feeling he won't have alot of screentime though.

Whatever... it is what it is. Only so many stars you can have when there is limited screen time to go around... but with the Rourkes, Scar Jo's, and SLJ's of the world that won't be possible... not that I am complaining about that. I could still see him having a substantial role still. We'll have to wait and see.

[Gold Samurai]

Based on that look I am thinking MIT rival of Tony's that went on to do great things himself.

I think that was the description we got of Justin Hammer as a rival to Stark. He acts like Stark before he got captured and does shady deals. Probably knew Stane.

[Chewy]

I have a feeling he won't have alot of screentime though.
What makes you say that? I think the fact that Marvel was in negotiations with him and Rourke before they started narrowing in on an actress for Black Widow is very telling. I have a feeling he and Rourke are going to have equally large roles - one the villain for Tony Stark and one the villain for Iron Man.

[Brian Braddock]

You do know how to read, don't you?

"Peter Cushing would've been a better choice."

Hmmm, I see that you've responded to what was intended to be a playful post in a somewhat serious manner. Your sense of humour must be languishing in the same dank, dark place as my ability to read. :whatever:

If you want to go that route though, then here goes - I get that you're saying that how they drew the character had a passing resembalance to Cushing and therefore he would have been a good fit for the role, but, 'a better choice' infers that he was available to be chosen for the role in the 1st place. As I pointed out, seeing as how he's been dead for 15 years, it's really quite redundant.

His services are obviously unnavailable and so the point is a moot one. A person cant have been a better choice if they arent in the mix in the 1st place.

See, I can read just fine - this is more about your poor choice of words. 'Peter Cushing would've been perfect casting - had he not died 15 years previously or this movie had been filmed in the early nineties and the producers were in a position to cast him' probably wouldve been a bit moe appropriate.

But, hey, that would just be pretty pedantic, wouldnt it?

Here's an idea - how about you stop taking things quite so literaaly, and just free your sense of humour instead - the forum will be a more enjoyable place for it.


Even if this was Batman & Robin, you couldn't see that.

Hmm, not sure what you're saying here, slick. You'd think for someone who has doubts about my ability to read, you coulda made your inferrence a little clearer.

Please elaborate on how B&R is in any way relevant in any shape of form to what I said.

[Brian Braddock]

Actually that's not really clear at all, which is the point of my post above.

See below posts for your answer.

Based on that look I am thinking MIT rival of Tony's that went on to do great things himself.

I think that was the description we got of Justin Hammer as a rival to Stark. He acts like Stark before he got captured and does shady deals. Probably knew Stane.

Maybe it's not 'clear' per se, but there are indications that this is going to be the case.

[Ironfan72]

Rockwell is looking like a sleazy, SOB businessman. :up:

I think that may be what they are going for, someone Starks age, he will be the head of Roxxon Corp, he'll be Tony Stark, except evil and not as gifted.
They already went with the older Buinessman with Stane, so it makes sense to make the change and turn Hammer from 70 to 35ish.

[The IronMan]

Does anyone think that Justin Hammer will have ties with the ten rings?

[Brian Braddock]

I think that may be what they are going for, someone Starks age, he will be the head of Roxxon Corp, he'll be Tony Stark, except evil and not as gifted.

They already went with the older Buinessman with Stane, so it makes sense to make the change and turn Hammer from 70 to 35ish.

That it in a nutshell; and I would have no problems with it if it were the case.

[Doctor Jones]

What makes you say that? I think the fact that Marvel was in negotiations with him and Rourke before they started narrowing in on an actress for Black Widow is very telling. I have a feeling he and Rourke are going to have equally large roles - one the villain for Tony Stark and one the villain for Iron Man.

I don't know really. Just a feeling. With Rourke and Black Widow in I don't know how they'll balance these guys. Rourke will probably work for Hammer, and I don't know what they'll do with her yet.

But you may be right. I'm already starting to visualize how Rockwell will play the role. He's a sleazy guy, but really he could be a spoiled brat or something that is jealous of Tony underneath his sleazyness, always tries to top him.

[Chris B]

I don't know really. Just a feeling. With Rourke and Black Widow in I don't know how they'll balance these guys. Rourke will probably work for Hammer, and I don't know what they'll do with her yet.

But you may be right. I'm already starting to visualize how Rockwell will play the role. He's a sleazy guy, but really he could be a spoiled brat or something that is jealous of Tony underneath his sleazyness, always tries to top him.

Personally, I can see them paying tribute to BW roots in the comics with her starting off as a villain. In this case, working for Hammer, engaged in corporate espionage.

[Doctor Jones]

That's what I think will happen.

I would love to see some fling with her and Stark. I heard there's aplotpoint where Stark has to deal with Pepper getting a boyfriend and his age. Maybe drinking alot and flirting dangeriously with her will be something in the film.

I'm really looking forward to seeing Stark's journey in this film.

[Ash Talon]

I think they're blending Justin Hammer and Ezekiel Stane from the comics. As everyone else is stating, they're making JH into something of an evil Stark. Rockwell fits this take.

I think Rourke works for Rockwell as an enforcer, Whiplash, for Rockwell's shady dealings. Rourke happens to be Russian as well.

The Black Widow probably has some Russian connection to Rourke and is sent in to spy on Stark for Hammer. She might even steal the IM designs for Hammer, who uses them to upgrade Whiplash into the Crimson Dynamo.

BW will probably get caught at the end and be offered a spot in SHIELD to atone for her sins.

I think Whiplash or BW might have ties to Mandarin as well.

[Kirk 1701]

Who is this Sam Rockwell guy? Has he ever been in a very sucessfully movie in the past ten years, that has made over a hundred million dollars? Why is Sam Rockwell playing Justin Hammer at half his age? Is Jon Favreau bias towards senior citizens and not hiring any older gentleman to play Justin Hammer? It must be Marvel Entertainment. I guess they need to get some actors at a cheap price and hog all the profits for themselves.


:facepalm

[R_Hythlodeus]

Who is this Sam Rockwell guy? Has he ever been is a very sucessfully movie in the past ten years that has made over a hundred million dollars? Why is Sam Rockwell playing Justin Hammer at half his age? Is Jon Favreau bias towards senior citizens and not hiring any older gentleman to play Justin Hammer? It must be Marvel Entertainment. I guess they need to get some actors at a cheap price and hog all the profits for themselves.


:facepalm

Why do you have this very strange obsession with money? Why do you think that the only way to measure the success of a movie are the box-office takings? Where have you been the last decade that Sam Rockwell is not familiar with you? Why is almost every sentence of your post a question? And we still don´t know how old Justin Hammer will be. Rumors state that there will be flashbacks with Howard Stark played by Tim Robbins in IM2 and the possibility of Rockwell playing Hammer in those flashbacks is still there.

[Kirk 1701]

Why do you have this very strange obsession with money? Why do you think that the only way to measure the success of a movie are the box-office takings? Where have you been the last decade that Sam Rockwell is not familiar with you? Why is almost every sentence of your post a question? And we still don´t know how old Justin Hammer will be. Rumors state that there will be flashbacks with Howard Stark played by Tim Robbins in IM2 and the possibility of Rockwell playing Hammer in those flashbacks is still there.

Well, apparently you don't live here in the U.S.A. I hate to say this, but Americans do measure people by their pocket books. If you ask any honest man or woman, they all would want be super rich. We are the richest country and the last superpower on earth. Even thogh we are having trouble with the ecomomy right now. Most people from foreign lands want to live here. I never heard of Sam Rockwell, so I guess he not a household name yet.


:facepalm

[Chewy]

Who is this Sam Rockwell guy? Has he ever been is a very sucessfully movie in the past ten years that has made over a hundred million dollars? Why is Sam Rockwell playing Justin Hammer at half his age? Is Jon Favreau bias towards senior citizens and not hiring any older gentleman to play Justin Hammer? It must be Marvel Entertainment. I guess they need to get some actors at a cheap price and hog all the profits for themselves.


:facepalmWell, apparently you don't live here in the U.S.A. I hate to say this, but Americans do measure people by their pocket books. If you ask any honest man or woman, they all would want be super rich. We are the richest country and the last superpower on earth. Even thogh we are having trouble with the ecomomy right now. Most people from foreign lands want to live here. I never heard of Sam Rockwell, so I guess he not a household name yet.


:facepalm

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9828/galaxyquestguy16.jpg

[R_Hythlodeus]

I hate to say this, but Americans do measure people by their pocket books.
I know for a fact that this is a generalization and simply not true.

We are the richest country and the last superpower on earth.
the richest country atm is still China. I´m sorry to tell you, but this is where your Dollars come from.

I never heard of Sam Rockwell, so I guess he not a household name yet.
au contraire, he had leading roles in movies like Confessions of A Dangerous Mind, The Hitchhiker`s Guide to the Galaxy, Frost/Nixon, Matchstick Men, Robin`s Big Date & a lot of other movies and is considered to be one of the finest actors at the moment

[Kirk 1701]

I know for a fact that this is a generalization and simply not true.


the richest country atm is still China. I´m sorry to tell you, but this is where your Dollars come from.

au contraire, he had leading roles in movies like Confessions of A Dangerous Mind, The Hitchhiker`s Guide to the Galaxy, Frost/Nixon, Matchstick Men, Robin`s Big Date & a lot of other movies and is considered to be one of the finest actors at the moment

So you are basically telling me, you would rather have a low paying job, never own a house, never have a family, and never be able to send your kids to an ivory league school like Harvard University. I guess you don't want your kids to be doctors or lawyers. Sorry I don't buy it. I love to give my kids the world if I had too. In this day and age, sucess is measure by your education and how much money you have in the bank.


You got me on the China answer, but I still belive in my country.


I never saw any of those movies with Sam Rockwell. I only watch big budget popcorn candy movies.



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[R_Hythlodeus]

So you are basically telling me, you would rather have a low paying job, never own a house, never have a family, and never be able to send your kids to an ivory league school like Harvard University. I guess you don't want your kids to be doctors or lawyers. Sorry I don't buy it. I love to give my kids the world if I had too. In this day and age, sucess is measure by your education and how much money you have in the bank.

No, I simply told you that your generalization was not true.

But yes, I have absolutely no problem with getting loads of money for my job, as long as I love that job and have the artistic freedom I want. Which are my 2 main criterias. And since Europe has developed socialdemocratic welfare states my kids won´t have any problems regarding their education (as long as our standards are what they are or at least were before the neocons took over the government 8 years ago)

[cryptic name]

Who is this Sam Rockwell guy? Has he ever been in a very sucessfully movie in the past ten years, that has made over a hundred million dollars? Why is Sam Rockwell playing Justin Hammer at half his age? Is Jon Favreau bias towards senior citizens and not hiring any older gentleman to play Justin Hammer? It must be Marvel Entertainment. I guess they need to get some actors at a cheap price and hog all the profits for themselves.




:facepalm

uh, he's a great actor so...who gives a ****?

[Chewy]

Mickey Rourke and RDJ had never made a movie that made $100M before joining Iron Man.

I think Kirk 1701 is just someone messing around. He's too over the top and ridiculous to be real

[Doctor Jones]

How come he keeps doing the facepalm?

Maybe at his own foolishness at his post?

[Brian Braddock]

I think he was being sarcastic - seems to me his post is more of an ironic swipe at those who are all too eager to jump on Favs and Marvel at any opportunity.

At least, I think that's what is was.

I wouldlve used a simple 'sheesh' and a :whatever: instead of the :facepalm personally.

But, hey, that's just me. :grin:

[The Squirrel]

So you are basically telling me, you would rather have a low paying job, never own a house, never have a family, and never be able to send your kids to an ivory league school like Harvard University. I guess you don't want your kids to be doctors or lawyers. Sorry I don't buy it. I love to give my kids the world if I had too. In this day and age, sucess is measure by your education and how much money you have in the bank.


You got me on the China answer, but I still belive in my country.


I never saw any of those movies with Sam Rockwell. I only watch big budget popcorn candy movies.



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[Kirk 1701]

Mickey Rourke and RDJ had never made a movie that made $100M before joining Iron Man.

I think Kirk 1701 is just someone messing around. He's too over the top and ridiculous to be real

I hate to busrt your bubble, but can you at least have all the facts before you tell people that I'am over the top and ridiculous. Mickey Rourke and Robert Downey JR. both had movies that were both successful and made over $100M. Mickey Rourke was in Sin City. The movie made $158M worldwide. Robert Downey JR. was in U.S. Marshall. The movie made $102M worldwide. Both movies came out long before Iron Man. Try to do some research on the net and get the facts before you post.



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[Chewy]

I hate to burst your bubble, but I thought we were referring to Domestic gross. If we're referring to WW gross, then Rockwell starred in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which made $104M WW. Try to do some research before you come in and complain inaccurately that a certain actor hasn't had successful movies.

[deathshead2]

It's pretty easy to understand why Jon made Hammer so young. He's an evil version of Stark. He's what Start wouldv'e become if he hadn't seen the error of his ways. It's a great move by Jon

Besides Sam Rockwell is a great actor. Just like RDJ he's a guy who came from doing Comedy.

[Kirk 1701]

I hate to burst your bubble, but I thought we were referring to Domestic gross. If we're referring to WW gross, then Rockwell starred in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, which made $104M WW. Try to do some research before you come in and complain inaccurately that a certain actor hasn't had successful movies.


I was responding to your post about Robert Downey JR. and Mickey Rourke movies. Where in your last post did you mention Sam Rockwell's name? I sure didn't see Mister Sam Rockwell's name in your last post. Besides, except for The Dr. Who and The Harry Potter franchise, I really don't care about any other science fiction books or movies from England.




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[Kirk 1701]

uh, he's a great actor so...who gives a ****?


So let me see if I understand your post. You are saying that Sam Rockwell is a great actor. That his acting ablilties are are up to par or beyond other actors. That he is in the same league as Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Julia Roberts. True, he has had some success in his movie carreer, but when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor. I have never heard of the man and have never seen any of his recent movies.



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[TheDarkKnight08]

So let me see if I understand your post. You are saying that Sam Rockwell is a great actor. That his acting ablilties are are up to par or beyond other actors. That he is in the same league as Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Julia Roberts. True, he has had some success in his movie carreer, but when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor. I have never heard of the man and have never seen any of his recent movies.



:im:

See what's in bold? There's where I stopped reading.


Oh, and you're little point about "...when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor." is BS. Do you think that Daniel Day Lewis is a household name? Jackie Earle Haley? Richard Jenkins? While these may not be names that are plastered all over tabloids for looks and "acting", they will deliver better performances than half the names you just mentioned. What, just because Zac Efron is a household name, that immediatly makes him a good actor?:whatever:

[Kirk 1701]

It's pretty easy to understand why Jon made Hammer so young. He's an evil version of Stark. He's what Start wouldv'e become if he hadn't seen the error of his ways. It's a great move by Jon

Besides Sam Rockwell is a great actor. Just like RDJ he's a guy who came from doing Comedy.


When you say comedy, do you mean stand up comedy or playing situation comedies in movies?


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[Chewy]

I was responding to your post about Robert Downey JR. and Mickey Rourke movies. Where in your last post did you mention Sam Rockwell's name? I sure didn't see Mister Sam Rockwell's name in your last post. Besides, except for The Dr. Who and The Harry Potter franchise, I really don't care about any other science fiction books or movies from England.
You're not understanding my point. If you want to claim Rockwell hasn't a $100M movie, then we are talking domestic, then RDJ and Rourke haven't either. If you want to say RDJ & Rourke have, then we are talking WW, which means Rockwell has as well.

[Kirk 1701]

See what's in bold? There's where I stopped reading.


Oh, and you're little point about "...when his name is not a household name, he is far from being a great actor." is BS. Do you think that Daniel Day Lewis is a household name? Jackie Earle Haley? Richard Jenkins? While these may not be names that are plastered all over tabloids for looks and "acting", they will deliver better performances than half the names you just mentioned. What, just because Zac Efron is a household name, that immediatly makes him a good actor?:whatever:

To answer your question weather an actors' name or clout makes him or her a good actor. Sorry to say, it does. For example, if Tom Cruise was not in the Mission Impossible Movie franchise, would you have spent your money to see him in the movies. Probably not. So an actors' name and power in Hollywood does makes a big difference, wheather or not the movie will be a success. A lot people tend to forget that Hollywood is a business and that they are out to make a profit. So having a actors' name who is a household name attached to a big movie deal does matter. Can you at least name an unknown actor who has been interviewed on TV numerous times, won any kind of awards, and has a lot of pull in Hollywood. I like to know.



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[The Squirrel]

Having a big name might give you pull, but does not make you a GOOD actor. Acting is a skill, not a, if they have the name for it.

[TheDarkKnight08]

To answer your question weather an actors' name or clout makes him or her a good actor. Sorry to say, it does. For example, if Tom Cruise was not in the Mission Impossible Movie franchise, would you have spent your money to see him in the movies. Probably not. So an actors' name and power in Hollywood does makes a big difference, wheather or not the movie will be a success. A lot people tend to forget that Hollywood is a business and that they are out to make a profit. So having a actors' name who is a household name attached to a big movie deal does matter. Can you at least name an unknown actor who has been interviewed on TV numerous times, won any kind of awards, and has a lot of pull in Hollywood. I like to know.



:im:

There is a difference between having a huge name to yourself and being a great actor. Just because your name is plastered on walls and interviewed constantly doesn't warrant you to be a great actor. A huge name does not equal great acting. Is Zac Efron a great actor? Think long and hard about that one. He's constantly being interviewed on TV, he wins ****loads of awards at those kiddie shows, and makes any gay dancing/crappy comendy he wants, or "a lot of pull in Hollywood." Is he a great actor?

On a similar note, is Brenden Gleesen on TV all the time? Does he win ****loads of public awards that a general public chooses? Does he produce every film he's in? No, but that doesn't take away he's an amazing actor that trumps almost any name actor.

[Kirk 1701]

You're not understanding my point. If you want to claim Rockwell hasn't a $100M movie, then we are talking domestic, then RDJ and Rourke haven't either. If you want to say RDJ & Rourke have, then we are talking WW, which means Rockwell has as well.


I was not saying anything about Sam Rockwell in your posts. You brought up his name. According to the website, Wikipedia, both Rourke and Downey JR. have had both broke the $100M mark. I'am talking about worldwide profits. If you look under the actors' filmograpgy, you will notice they have one movie a piece that broke the $100M mark. The $100M is worldwide profits. They are: Sin City for Rourke and U.S. Marshall for Downey JR.


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[Kirk 1701]

There is a difference between having a huge name to yourself and being a great actor. Just because your name is plastered on walls and interviewed constantly doesn't warrant you to be a great actor. A huge name does not equal great acting. Is Zac Efron a great actor? Think long and hard about that one. He's constantly being interviewed on TV, he wins ****loads of awards at those kiddie shows, and makes any gay dancing/crappy comendy he wants, or "a lot of pull in Hollywood." Is he a great actor?

On a similar note, is Brenden Gleesen on TV all the time? Does he win ****loads of public awards that a general public chooses? Does he produce every film he's in? No, but that doesn't take away he's an amazing actor that trumps almost any name actor.




Sorry, my man. I have never heard of Zac Efron or Brenden Gleesen. I guess they are not household names yet. I watch a lot of TV and go the movies four or five time a month.


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[The Squirrel]

Sorry, my man. I have never heard of Zac Efron or Brenden Gleesen. I guess they are not household names yet. I watch a lot of TV and go the movies four or five time a month.


:ikyn

Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.

[Kirk 1701]

Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.

Ok, I did look up Zac Efron filmography. I hate to admit, I have never seen any of his movies or TV Shows. I don't watch the Disney Channel, don't watch CSI: Maimi, don't watch ER, didn't see Hairspray, or a show about young teenage love, like Summerland. I dislike all musicals. So I would have never seen his movie, High School Musical. I won't waste my money on his new movie, 17 again. It's not my kind of movie. He may be well known by teenagers or young adults between 13-25 yrs, but I don't think people over 30-35 yrs or older have ever heard of the man.


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[kedrell]

Rockwell also was in the Green Mile, which made $286,801,374 WW.

[kedrell]

Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.

Actually, if it wasn't for being on message boards like these I'd never have heard of him either. My TV hasn't tuned into the Disney channel EVER! If it ever did, I'd euthanize it. I have no tolerance for family crap.

[Brian Braddock]

Ok, now I know you are just trolling. Cause that is unbelievable.

Actually, it's very believable, to me at least. He may be big in the states buts its not necessarilly the case in other parts of the world.

Up until very recently I'd never heard of him either. He's not that well known over here in the U.K. There was a funny story reported the other day that his new movie premiered in London and hardly anyone turned up; much to his disbelief.

:hehe:

[The Squirrel]

Well, I stand corrected.

[Spider-Fan83]

Based on that look I am thinking MIT rival of Tony's that went on to do great things himself.

I think that may be what they are going for, someone Starks age, he will be the head of Roxxon Corp, he'll be Tony Stark, except evil and not as gifted.
They already went with the older Buinessman with Stane, so it makes sense to make the change and turn Hammer from 70 to 35ish.

the thing is Tony was a child genius, who graduated from MIT at like 15, so, for Hammer to be the same age as Tony, an for him to of been in the same class as him, he to would have to be a genius

it just seems to take away from Tony being the smartest, for someone his age to be his equal, (its one thing for someone twice his age to be as smart as him)

I don't say this complaining, or whatever
but, IDK, to me Stark always came cross as a kid playing in an adults world (metaphorically speaking, of course) that’s why it fits that his rivals are all much older, guys who have been in the industry for most of they lives, an for this "young kid" (which to them, thats how they see him) to out do them, is what drives them mad

agian, not complaining, I am kinda curious, to how they well play this out, but, I can see where it can seem odd to some

[kedrell]

^I can see your point and I agree to an extent. Hammer was never a genius in the comics, was he? I always thought he was just more of a shrewd/ruthless/sneaky business man. To me Hammer always seemed like the comics version of the character of Dillinger from the movie Tron. "Not as young, not as bright, but very, very sneaky."

[Raiden]

I don't think Hammer will be an inventor, like Stark; he will probably be a prodigy, but as a business man, and not an arms developer like Stark. Therefore, I don't think his age will make them too similar.

[Venomfan]

how come so many of these movies change the villains to be more like an evil clone of the main character? i'm thinking Venom, Sabretooth, now this.

[irapogi]

how come so many of these movies change the villains to be more like an evil clone of the main character? i'm thinking Venom, Sabretooth, now this.

and abomination.

i wonder when fox is gonna give up their corresponding movie rights back to marvel

[Chewy]

Abomination was basically a clone of Hulk in the comics, that wasn't changed :huh:

Justin Hammer was either going to be similar to Tony Stark or Obadiah Stane, they chose to go with the former rather than the latter

[Venomfan]

Justin Hammer was either going to be similar to Tony Stark or Obadiah Stane, they chose to go with the former rather than the latter

but the only similarity is age??? Stane was a mentor turned villain, Hammer is a competitor who has just pretty much always been a bad guy

they may as well just use bizarro as the next supes villain

[Figs]

As long as they don't make the connection between Stark and Whiplash/Hammer some kind of emotional friendship like all of the villians in Spider-Man I'll be happy.

[kedrell]

^I highly doubt that'll happen, Figs.

[Kirk 1701]

and abomination.

i wonder when fox is gonna give up their corresponding movie rights back to marvel

I do not know if my information is correct, but I heard a couple of years back that Sony has the rights to the Spider-Man movie frachise for the next eleven years. That would be 2020. Maybe than the rights would revert back to Marvel, but eleven years is a very long time.

I don't think Fox is gone to give up their corresponding movie rights back to Mavrel. Remember, X-Men: The Last Stand made over $400M in worldwide gross revenue. It's a cash cow. Don't expect Fox to give anything back for nothing. If Marvel Comics want the rights back, they can offer Fox a great heap of money. I don't think they have that kind of money.



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[kedrell]

^Not until more of their films hit "Iron Man status". I personally hope Wolverine makes less than 1/2 of what X3 made and thus ends up losing money for FOX. They'll stop making them then, just like they did with the DD & FF franchises.

[Kirk 1701]

^Not until more of their films hit "Iron Man status". I personally hope Wolverine makes less than 1/2 of what X3 made and thus ends up losing money for FOX. They'll stop making them then, just like they did with the DD & FF franchises.


That remains to be seen with X-Men Orgins: Wolverine. Next to Spider-Man, I think Wolverine is as or more popular than other Marvel characters. I do plan on seeing X-Men Orgins: Wolverine, since it is a spin-off movie of the X-Men movie franchise. I do think the movie will make at least $100M in U.S.A. sales or close to it. We'll see what happens on May first.



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[xisaacx]

Meh from all his answers, he doesn't seem to INTO it. I mean does he know anything about the character.

[FlawlessVictory]

^Not until more of their films hit "Iron Man status". I personally hope Wolverine makes less than 1/2 of what X3 made and thus ends up losing money for FOX. They'll stop making them then, just like they did with the DD & FF franchises.

It's a shame but I don't see Fox ever giving up the rights to these comic book properties. There are too many characters too exploit, especially in the X-Men world. And now there are rumblings of a DD and FF reboot. As far as it was explained to me in the Wolverine board, so long as Fox has a movie in the pipleline every 5 years with a character from those franchises, then they are allowed to retain the rights. So, theoretically, Fox can hold these rights until the end of time. :csad: It's unfortunate that Marvel's backs was so up against the wall when they made this deal(being in bankruptcy).

[kedrell]

If they can't turn a profit from them, why would they keep making the films? If Marvel Studios is able to score big enough with their proposed films, maybe they can tempt studios like FOX & Sony to cash-out with a guaranteed profit. Eh, it's a hope. Marvel'd have to pay like $500M for the X-Men, $700M for Spidey, $300M for the FF, $100M for DD, $50M for GR, etc. It'd cost a couple billion $.

[FlawlessVictory]

^Because these films will ALWAYS turn a profit. That's a fact. Don't just look at BO gross, but look at DVD sales and especially TV deals which make a lot of money for these studios. Fox and Sony is not going to settle for a deal when they know over the very long run, they could make that same money and thensome.

[kedrell]

^Because these films will ALWAYS turn a profit. That's a fact. Don't just look at BO gross, but look at DVD sales and especially TV deals which make a lot of money for these studios. Fox and Sony is not going to settle for a deal when they know over the very long run, they could make that same money and thensome.

Then why did Universal let Hulk go? These films can become more trouble than their worth to studios. Otherwise why the years of drought after B&R?

[FlawlessVictory]

^Batman is not applicable in this case because WB does not face the same pressure of HAVING to develop a movie every five years. Plus, they already know the potential of the character on film as evidenced with the huge success of the 89 film and a hit with the 95 film. So they have the luxury of waiting any amount of time if they want, if one film doesn't up live up to their expectations, because they know if done correctly, the success will come, the proof was there.

As for Hulk, that's a good question. Perhaps the studio thought that more than 5 years was needed to properly reboot the character and have a really big payday. In the end, they would have still turned a profit, but like you mentioned, it probably wasn't worth it (not a big enough of a profit) to put the effort back into the character without having a suitable enough of a time gap.

Perhaps this could happen with the DD and F4 properties. I really hope so. But with X-Men, I just don't see it. The proof is there that the franchise can be incredibly successful, not lukewarm or a modest hit but an actual blockbuster. Once that level of success is reached with a franchise, I have trouble believing the studio would have any kinds of plans of dealing it off in the future. Especially with the amount of characters in the X-Men universe and all the different stories that can be told, I can't see that well going dry for them. And they always have the success of the 3 X-Men films to fall back on and say to themselves that the success was reached before, surely it can be reached again.

[FaT_tONle]

X-Men is untouchable... FF and DD are not. But I think Fox will reboot at least one of those anyway. As far as the endless explotation of X-Men to come back to that for a second... we'll have to wait and see. This could be it for Jackman. He's been their poster boy. Without him all bets are off. No doubt there are other characters to exploit. But it's no guarantee. Still, if Fox's deal includes one spinoff/X-Men related film every five years then Marvel will never get it back... which is sad.

[Kirk 1701]

X-Men is untouchable... FF and DD are not. But I think Fox will reboot at least one of those anyway. As far as the endless explotation of X-Men to come back to that for a second... we'll have to wait and see. This could be it for Jackman. He's been their poster boy. Without him all bets are off. No doubt there are other characters to exploit. But it's no guarantee. Still, if Fox's deal includes one spinoff/X-Men related film every five years then Marvel will never get it back... which is sad.

According to Director Gavin Hood, there could be a sequel to X-Men Origins: Wolverine, which may be set in Japan.


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[kedrell]

So Marvel gave them an open-ended time for the film rights? Even if it was something like 20-30 years that would've been better in the long run. I just have a hard time buying Marvel put no strings in with the X-Men or Spider-Man deals. I always heard it was every 3 years and they didn't just have to have something in the pipeline(which may or may not actually surface) but an actual theatrical release every 3 years.

[Figs]

So Marvel gave them an open-ended time for the film rights? Even if it was something like 20-30 years that would've been better in the long run. I just have a hard time buying Marvel put no strings in with the X-Men or Spider-Man deals. I always heard it was every 3 years and they didn't just have to have something in the pipeline(which may or may not actually surface) but an actual theatrical release every 3 years.

I believe it is in fact every 5 years.

Technically if it were every 3 or 4 years, Marvel would be getting the rights back to Daredevil and Elektra this year I think.

The reason they didn't put any strings in for those other deals was because they were going bankrupt and had to bow down to the allmighty $$$$$.

[Chewy]

There's some video of Rockwell here. He's got short hair and some facial hair
http://www.jfxonline.com/video/2009/04/07/video-iron-man-2/

[Chewy]

Here's a YouTube embed of that same video:
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And some screengrabs of Rockwell from it:

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/884/rockwell1.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3625/rockweell2.jpg

[kedrell]

Hmm. the theory of a younger Hammer who's a contemporary of Tony Stark seems to be gaining creedence with this. Still not absolutely a "for sure" thing yet, though.

[Octoberist]

Rockwell should wear the MC HAMMER pants.

[Chris B]

I wonder what his true look for the film is the one from those set pics or the one picture Favreau posted on his Twitter?

[Chewy]

The one from Favs' Twitter was just a pic of Rockwell chilling out in Favs' office during rehearsals - I think it's safe to say he'll look like he does in those set pics.

[Chris B]

That would make sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Spider-ManHero12]

The one from Favs' Twitter was just a pic of Rockwell chilling out in Favs' office during rehearsals - I think it's safe to say he'll look like he does in those set pics. I second that.

[Doctor Jones]

Hmm. Thought he would look like that from his office in the film.

Oh, well doesn't matter. I think Rockwell will be great. I just wanna see him and RBJ go at it dialogue wise.

[Venomfan]

well it definitely looks like their going the evil twin route. i don't understand it, do people think its some clever new idea that improvies the characters to change them into an evil opposite? is there suddenly some new and better dynamic there now then keeping them the way they are in the comics?

[Chewy]

Is it really that big of a deal? He was 80-ish, they made him 40-ish.

[kedrell]

I don't find it to be a big deal, so long as it serves the story well. But a change "just because we felt like it" is a bad reason to change something, IMO.

[FlawlessVictory]

Is it really that big of a deal? He was 80-ish, they made him 40-ish.

Someone mentioned on here that they preferred to have Tony Stark be the younger person who rose more quickly to the top among his peers. I agree with that. Having Hammer be similar to his age takes that aspect away. I like the idea of how the much older men would be jealous of Stark. It showed how Stark stood out.

[Chewy]

But didn't we already see that in the first movie?

And it's not like Tony is all that young in the movie version. RDJ's 40 and I assume Tony is supposed to be in his 30's. There are planty of corporate types who are in their 30's - Hammer doesn't necessarily have the intellect or talent of Tony, and that's plenty to be jealous of.

[Venomfan]

and James Woods would have been sweet

[FlawlessVictory]

^He would have been perfect.


http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u102/FlawlessVictory_photos/jameswoods.jpg

[Keyser Soze]

Regardless of what age Justin Hammer's supposed to be, you can't NOT be happy at Sam Rockwell in the role. He's one of the most underrated actors out there, and in my opinion is every bit the acting heavyweight to square up with RDJ's Stark that Mickey Rourke is.

[kedrell]

Oh I agree that Rockwell in the role is a complete win. Sure I was hoping for Woods to get the role, but anyone who doesn't think Rockwell can nail it is nuts, IMO.

[Brian Braddock]

and James Woods would have been sweet


Yeah, I suggested him for Hammer some time back and the idea seemed to get a good response from a fair few people.

Having said that, Rockwell is awesome too. I'm not exactly miffed that he's been added to an already excellent cast.

[Venomfan]

Yeah, I suggested him for Hammer some time back and the idea seemed to get a good response from a fair few people.

Having said that, Rockwell is awesome too. I'm not exactly miffed that he's been added to an already excellent cast.
i'd be absolutely fine with it if they made him older and not a contemporary. it just seems like the new thing to do with villains, making them evil clones

[kedrell]

Well, unless Hammer puts on armor to fight Iron Man(he absolutely shouldn't), then the whole twin thing isn't all that accurate in this case.

[Spider-Fan83]

Well, unless Hammer puts on armor to fight Iron Man(he absolutely shouldn't), then the whole twin thing isn't all that accurate in this case.

Ya, though, Tony and Justin having it out hand to hand (no armor, no weapons) would be pretty funny

[SurfDUI]

Someone mentioned on here that they preferred to have Tony Stark be the younger person who rose more quickly to the top among his peers. I agree with that. Having Hammer be similar to his age takes that aspect away. I like the idea of how the much older men would be jealous of Stark. It showed how Stark stood out.

Yea.
& that's film license, I hate the trend of 20yo playin eerything, and Fav gets that thankfully. Direct adaptations from any thin 616 surley wouldn't work

[Chewy]

Actor Sam Rockwell (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/sam-rockwell) was in town last week for the Tribeca Film Festival debut of his science-fiction thriller “Moon,” but given the chance to chat, we had to ask a few questions about another little film he’s working on these days — namely, “Iron Man 2 (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/iron-man-2/).”

Originally announced way back in January, Rockwell will be playing the role of Justin Hammer (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/01/15/exclusive-sam-rockwell-confirms-iron-man-2-role-almost-played-tony-stark/), a rival industrialist attempting to bring down Robert Downey Jr. (http://splashpage.mtv.com/tag/robert-downey-jr)’s “Iron Man,” Tony Stark. While the actor hasn’t been able to share many details about the much-anticipated sequel thus far, we did get an answer to one of the questions on many comic book fans’ minds: Will his character in the film be made to look like the white-haired, geriatric Justin Hammer of the comics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Hammer)?

“They wanted to go with a rival for Tony Stark who is closer to his age, and make him American,” Rockwell told MTV News of the new look for the Marvel villain.

However, just to make sure we were on the same page, we picked up a copy of “Iron Man” #240 (http://www.comicvine.com/iron-man-/37-30992/) before the interview to offer Rockwell a comparative look at the Justin Hammer known to comics fans.

“That looks like Jeremy Irons,” joked Rockwell of the Hammer character in the comic. “I guess they couldn’t get Jeremy Irons for it.”

Although Rockwell said his character wouldn’t be fighting or flying in the sequel (”My character is the brains, not the brawn,” he said), he did reveal that production has featured no small amount of spontaneity among the cast members.

“There’s a lot of improv,” said Rockwell of the ongoing “Iron Man 2″ filming (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/04/29/jon-favreaus-iron-man-2-twitter-update-john-slattery-confirmed-robert-downey-jr-suits-up/).SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/05/05/sam-rockwell-describes-new-look-for-his-iron-man-2-character-hints-at-a-lot-of-improv/)

[Chris B]

SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/05/05/sam-rockwell-describes-new-look-for-his-iron-man-2-character-hints-at-a-lot-of-improv/)

Comes as no surprise. And I have no problem with them making Justin Hammer a contemporary of Stark.

[Figs]

Comes as no surprise. And I have no problem with them making Justin Hammer a contemporary of Stark.

Same here. I like where it talks about a lot of improv on set. That's a lot of what RDJ did for the first film according to him and Favreau so that's definitely a plus in my book.

[Doctor Jones]

Yes more improv.

[Spider-ManHero12]

SOURCE (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2009/05/05/sam-rockwell-describes-new-look-for-his-iron-man-2-character-hints-at-a-lot-of-improv/) Interesting. Honestly, I really like the idea and I think it'll work out for the best.

[FaT_tONle]

Stark needs a contemporary rival. Someone older would have been a rehash of Obidiah. I mean we know how interesting it gets when Bruce Wayne tangos with Lex Luthor every now and then in the DC verse. Certainly, Hammers can be that kind of villain in a less iconic but equally formidable way.

[weezerspider]

This is one of the many changes that I have no problem with. Some people need to realize that small changes aren't a big deal. Huge changes, like Deadpool, are worth complaining about, but this is one that is not worth losing sleep over.

[Dev]

^Then why can't I sleep?

[The Guard]

This isn't a small change. And it does feel like change for change's sake. But it'll probably still work fairly well.

[Hotwire]

Stark needs a contemporary rival. Someone older would have been a rehash of Obidiah. I mean we know how interesting it gets when Bruce Wayne tangos with Lex Luthor every now and then in the DC verse. Certainly, Hammers can be that kind of villain in a less iconic but equally formidable way.
It would sure seem like it.

[Dev]

So does Iron Man lack such a diverse villain gallery that most of the villains have to be a business rival?

[Leto]

This isn't a small change. And it does feel like change for change's sake. But it'll probably still work fairly well.

The fact is, there's a lot of Justin Hammer in the movie version of Obadiah Stane.

Oby was re-imagined as an older mentor for Tony, instead of an overtly corrupt and power hungry rival. That aspect to his personality was revealed when he was piloting the Iron Monger armor.

Guess what was left for Justin Hammer?

Instead of an old british dude, which at this point would be horrible cliched anyway, he's younger.

Honestly I was hoping they'd take a cue from the Ultimate comics and make him southern with Rockwell's hair died a bit gray or something, but over all I'm fine.

This change was made in the spirit of making the film better. When Favreau does that, it's the real thing.

[Chewy]

So does Iron Man lack such a diverse villain gallery that most of the villains have to be a business rival?
No. Iron Man lacks such a diverse villain gallery that most of the villains have to be guys in armored suits :o

Iron Monger is one of Iron Man's few villains who aren't c-list/henchmen, and Justin Hammer is responsible for creating about 75% of Iron Man's rogues gallery.

[dark_b]

i dont know the iron man universe. but saying that someone doesnt have good villains is not enough. if there are not good villains you invent a good villain.

[The Guard]

The fact is, there's a lot of Justin Hammer in the movie version of Obadiah Stane.

Oby was re-imagined as an older mentor for Tony, instead of an overtly corrupt and power hungry rival. That aspect to his personality was revealed when he was piloting the Iron Monger armor.

Guess what was left for Justin Hammer?

Instead of an old british dude, which at this point would be horrible cliched anyway, he's younger.

Yes, a young successfull, handsome businessman is sooo not cliche.

Everything's cliche. It should be about faithfully realizing the comics, not avoiding cliches that are inherent to a character.

This change was made in the spirit of making the film better. When Favreau does that, it's the real thing.

Overall, I don't really care, as Justin Hammer's not a particularly interesting character in most respects to begin with. I pretty much feel like the movie version of the character will resemble Hammer only slightly, if at all.

I really don't see how moving away from the source material, or in this case, changing something so it's not similar to something else they changed that didn't particularly need to be automatically makes the movie any better. What, because he's not an older man, it's somehow "better"?

I really don't see the point in simply switching Hammer and Obadiah's roles in a sense. Poor planning on the part of the filmmakers.

And I for one, think it'd be kind of cool to have multiple older villains.

[lucas8771]

I mean, you guys are acting like his look is going to be a big surprise. I posted pics of Rockwell IN costume ON set like a week ago. He is his own age, has brown hair, and looks comparable to Tony. That is how Hammer will be portrayed. End.

[Leto]

I really don't see how moving away from the source material, or in this case, changing something so it's not similar to something else they changed that didn't particularly need to be automatically makes the movie any better. What, because he's not an older man, it's somehow "better"?

It's fresher for Tony to not have to fight another old guy. Further, Tony facing somebody who is like himself before he gained a conscience draws a parallel between them. Classic Iron Man comics are often heavily immersed with anticommunist messages that aren't relative to modern audiences.

What I meant was that it works better for the story they've written that Hammer be middle-aged and American.

I really don't see the point in simply switching Hammer and Obadiah's roles in a sense. Poor planning on the part of the filmmakers.

Marvel didn't even know if Favreau was coming back to direct! So much was dependent on the success of the first film there was a lot left up in the air when it came to the sequel. The original Green-lit script and the final product were written very differently. The Mandarin was piloting the Crimson Dynamo armor!

And I for one, think it'd be kind of cool to have multiple older villains.

That's why I was initially hopeful Rockwell would be undergoing some make-up but again Iron Man's foes aren't really that good. Hammer needed some polish and his age and nationality weren't intrinsic to his character.

[Chewy]

Favreau is on Fallon webcamming from the set. It's a Hammer industries building and there is a "HAMMER" logo with a triangle thing over it

[cryptic name]

Yes, a young successfull, handsome businessman is sooo not cliche.

Everything's cliche. It should be about faithfully realizing the comics, not avoiding cliches that are inherent to a character.



Overall, I don't really care, as Justin Hammer's not a particularly interesting character in most respects to begin with. I pretty much feel like the movie version of the character will resemble Hammer only slightly, if at all.

I really don't see how moving away from the source material, or in this case, changing something so it's not similar to something else they changed that didn't particularly need to be automatically makes the movie any better. What, because he's not an older man, it's somehow "better"?

I really don't see the point in simply switching Hammer and Obadiah's roles in a sense. Poor planning on the part of the filmmakers.

And I for one, think it'd be kind of cool to have multiple older villains.

you don't see any value in making an a dark mirror version of stark for him to deal with?

[Octoberist]

Favreau is on Fallon webcamming from the set. It's a Hammer industries building and there is a "HAMMER" logo with a triangle thing over it

I'm telling, if Sam Rockwell is holding a hammer throughout the entire movie, it will be gold.

"It's Hammer time, Iron Man!"

"You..won't..You can't...touch this!"

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I'm sure Rockwell will deliver a terrific performance but a part of me wishes Jeremy Irons got the role. Reading "Ultimate Spider-Man" Ultimate Collection vol. 1 and 2, I started to picture Irons as Hammer in my head.

[Spider-ManHero12]

MY god, it was awesome seeing the Hammer logo last night in the background. Great stuff. :up:

[kedrell]

I'm sure Rockwell will deliver a terrific performance but a part of me wishes Jeremy Irons got the role. Reading "Ultimate Spider-Man" Ultimate Collection vol. 1 and 2, I started to picture Irons as Hammer in my head.

From the Ultimate-line? I know Hammer's a Brit in the 616 but isn't he a southerner in the Ultimate universe? At least that's what I interpret when I read him using "Ah" instead of "I".

[PumpkinBombxXx]

Hammer may be boring in the comics but i doubt he will be in the movie. I mean look at Sandman, I know SM3 was a let down but Sandman rocked in it and is a total snooze in the comics. However i was wondering and i haven't ben keeping track of the boards but who thinks that Hammer may become Crimson Dynamo. I just dont see whiplash being that much of a threat that even drunk Tony needs Rhodys help. Plus i know that they kinda want to make Hammer a doppelganger of Tony. What do you guys think

[kedrell]

^I don't see them going that far. Hammer is a non-super villain and he works best that way, IMO. Just like Falcone or Maroni in Nolan's Batman films. I'd be willing to bet quite a bit that they'll keep him in regular villain-mode, as they should.

[Doctor Jones]

That Hammer logo is awesome.

[protocida]

Pictures?

[bossman550]

I posted pics of Rockwell IN costume ON set like a week ago.

where r they?

[The Question]

I really don't see the point in simply switching Hammer and Obadiah's roles in a sense. Poor planning on the part of the filmmakers.

How have they switched their roles, exactly?

[bossman550]

well they both r buisness rivals but the 2 r very different

[lucas8771]

where r they?

Right here man...
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16828255#post16828255

[bossman550]

k thx

[Lots o lafs]

sam rockwell is a good actor. I personally think he very funny too.

[bossman550]

I've never seen any of Rockwells work or if i have i don't remember.

[Brian Braddock]

Have you seen Galaxy Quest?

[bossman550]

no is it good? whats it about

[Brian Braddock]

If you've ever appreciated the original Star Trek - you'll like it.

;)

[bossman550]

alright ill check it out

[kedrell]

Yeah, Galaxy Quest is one of those few sci-fi/fantasy comedies that work pretty well.

[bossman550]

wow it must be pretty good

[kedrell]

Tim Allen, Sigouney Weaver, Alan Rickman, Tony Shaloub, Sam Rockwell...with a cast like that it would have been suprising if it wasn't good.

[Kent]

Tim Allen, Sigouney Weaver, Alan Rickman, Tony Shaloub, Sam Rockwell...with a cast like that it would have been suprising if it wasn't good.

I loathe Tim Allen. But he was actually pretty good in this.

Yeah, Galaxy Quest is a great movie.

[kedrell]

^I agree. Aside from GQ or voicing Buzz Lightyear I really don't care for Tim Allen's humor. Oh and the first Santa Clause movie was decent as well.

[BLACK-SPIDEY]

^I agree. Aside from GQ or voicing Buzz Lightyear I really don't care for Tim Allen's humor. Oh and the first Santa Clause movie was decent as well.
Toy Story 3 FTW!!!! lol

[bossman550]

FTW=?
I forgot

[Aluchak]

FTW=?
I forgot

For the win.

[irapogi]

For the win.

i used to think it was F*** THE WORLD! , i guess that's applicable to sometimes, but for the most part, yeah.. for the win

[BoredGuy]

No, ftw DOES mean f*** the world, not for the win!!!!
... and I know a bunch of punk rockers with it tattooed on their throats who would kick your ass if you disagree, lol.....

We had it first before the internet bastardized it, that's all I'm sayin....

[BoredGuy]

and besides, "F*** the world" is a much better expression than "For the win", seriously

[Doctor Jones]

I loathe Tim Allen. But he was actually pretty good in this.

Yeah, Galaxy Quest is a great movie.

You will love Buzz Lightyear! Love him I tell you! :cmad:

[protocida]

I'm betting Hammer dies.

[kedrell]

^I don't think he will. Roarke maybe, but not Hammer. He's too useful in future installments.

[NinjaTurtleFan]

From the Ultimate-line? I know Hammer's a Brit in the 616 but isn't he a southerner in the Ultimate universe? At least that's what I interpret when I read him using "Ah" instead of "I".

Yes, he is a Southerner in the Ultimate line, which I could see Rockwell doing. I'm sure he'll do well as Hammer though still wish an older actor was playing him.

[protocida]

^I don't think he will. Roarke maybe, but not Hammer. He's too useful in future installments.
I don't think the franchise will go beyond Iron Man 3 (:csad:), and Mandarin is definetly going to be the villain in that.

[Chris B]

^I don't think he will. Roarke maybe, but not Hammer. He's too useful in future installments.

Plus, if the plan on doing DIAB for IM3, Hammer played a crucial role in that.

[kedrell]

I don't think the franchise will go beyond Iron Man 3 (:csad:), and Mandarin is definetly going to be the villain in that.

With the present cast/crew? Yeah, I don't think they'll go beyond the 3rd film. But I am sure more Iron Man movies will continue to be made after that under a different director/cast. And while Mandy is going to be the main villain in IM3, that doesn't mean hammer still won't be around. Maybe in a western liason role for the Mandarin, part of sort of an arms dealing cabal. He'll likely be in some way connected with him in this movie just as Stane was. The Mandarin has use for some co-conspirators in the west.

[kedrell]

Plus, if the plan on doing DIAB for IM3, Hammer played a crucial role in that.

True.

[Chewy]

So apparently Hammer and Whiplash aren't as in sync with each other as we all assumed they would be
So I hear you've got a fairly extensive day tomorrow?

I've got a scene with Mickey Rourke.

Do you get to punch Mickey Rourke, or does he hit you? Because there must be some kind of violence.

We don't punch each other physically, but we do punch each other in other ways--it's emotional.SOURCE (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/archives/2009/06/interview_sam_r.php)

And... he only got the script a week before shooting
He's also about to make a growth spurt commercially, co-starring in the "Iron Man" sequel, in which he plays Justin Hammer, the industrialist rival of Tony Stark.

Rockwell said he received the script only a week before shooting, so he "kind of took it on faith."

"It's not dissimilar to other studio movies, but the thing that's different about it is (director Jon Favreau) really likes to improvise," said Rockwell. "So we get to play more on this movie than you would on a lot of studio movies." SOURCE (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jD450wrTrhye6xMoYl7sLSwLcTNgD98OFFN81)

[protocida]

Interesting.

Rivals?

Partners who fight over an disagreement?

Both?

[protocida]

Sam Rockwell Wears Armored Suit in "Iron Man 2"

When Sam Rockwell was one of the cast members of "Iron Man 2," his character was described as a fast-talking weapons manufacturer, named Justin Hammer, who fancies himself the next Tony Stark. But apparently, there's a bit more to him.

IGN caught up with Rockwell during Comic-Con and asked if Hammer picks up his own armor to do battle. "Absolutely, yes," said the actor, confirming that his character is more than just a businessman.

Rockwell added that he doesn't have much action scenes, but might return in "Iron Man 3." "I actually didn't get to do too much action, but I'm hoping maybe I can do one if there's another one. We'll see."

http://worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=14408&count=0

:wow:

[Chewy]

If you watch the actual video interview on IGN that is clearly not what he meant

[protocida]

OK, sorry.

[Chewy]

It's nothing to be sorry about, you're not the one running it as a "story" :p

He was asked if Hammer "picks up any armor or weapons to do battle" and he said "absolutely". The people running it as "Sam Rockwell will wear armor in Iron Man 2!" are conveniently leaving "or weapons" out of the quote

[Doctor Jones]

God, if he wore armor that would be too damn much in one movie.

I like the idea of him developing into a bigger threat.

I do think that Hammer is in league with Ivan. He pays for his parole or something and pays him to build the armor.

[protocida]

Ivan builds his armor in prison. :cwink:

[Doctor Jones]

Oh yeah I forgot. How does he get the materials though?

[protocida]

Maybe his cockatoo stole it for him. :hehe:

No, seriously, maybe he has guard friends?

[Aesop Rocks]

Holy ****, now that I think of it, I have NO idea how he can even make it!

[R_Hythlodeus]

Oh yeah I forgot. How does he get the materials though?

probably the same way tony stark got his materials while he was imprisoned by the ten rings.

nice parallel, though.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea I think that is a nice parallel to Tony. Vanko obviously isn't a brainless goon himself. I like that they are linked by the fact that they create their first armour to escape imprisonment.

[Doctor Jones]

Sounds even more awesome.

Maybe Hammer sends the materials to him in the prison. Hammer meets with Ivan in the beginning, (could be both characters introduction) and they strike a deal. Hammer will supply him with the weapons in prison and to get revenge. Ivan breaks out, then goes after Stark.

In a way, it's a win win. Hammer will get a weapon he wants against Stark and Ivan will have the power to get revenge on Tony.

[The Caped Knight]

I hope it's revealed that Justin Hammer is actually nothing more than a pawn of The Mandarin

[DocHoliday]

I hope it's revealed that Justin Hammer is actually nothing more than a pawn of The Mandarin

With the way that the Chinese business machine operates he could very well have stake in Hammer's operations.

[cryptic name]

Yes, he is a Southerner in the Ultimate line, which I could see Rockwell doing. I'm sure he'll do well as Hammer though still wish an older actor was playing him.

i really like the use of hammer as a dark mirror version of tony startk.

[Brian Braddock]

Yea I think that is a nice parallel to Tony. Vanko obviously isn't a brainless goon himself. I like that they are linked by the fact that they create their first armour to escape imprisonment.

It's a terriffic parallel - I'd love it if Rourke was to have a piece of dialogue were he basically says as much to Tony; just to see Tony's reaction

It would make for a great scene.

i really like the use of hammer as a dark mirror version of tony startk.

Me too - I'm a sucker for the whole evil twin/counterpart thing.

[FaT_tONle]

So Hammer is confirmed to wear armor at some point?

[protocida]

He won't. It was a mistake.

And I hope he's his own man. Maybe partners with Mandarin, but not just a pawn.

[Brian Braddock]

I'm digging the fact that Rockwell wants to come back for the 3rd movie - he's obviously enjoyed the experience this time around.

[protocida]

I'm happy too. :)

Hammer/Mandarin team-up?

[DocHoliday]

He won't. It was a mistake.

And I hope he's his own man. Maybe partners with Mandarin, but not just a pawn.

Unless he was saying that "his armor of his own" is on someone else IE War Machine or Whiplash than there isn't really anyway to say it was a mistake. I think the former might be what he meant but it wasn't a journalism error.

[Chewy]

It is very much so a journalistic error as they are taking the question he was asked and omitting a portion of it in their report, thus misrepresenting his answer and the interview as a whole

[DocHoliday]

It is very much so a journalistic error as they are taking the question he was asked and omitting a portion of it in their report, thus misrepresenting his answer and the interview as a whole

I am unaware of any omission. If that's the case (I have not seen that referenced at all) it's another story. Also cool avatar. I just picked up some old ass Hawkeye comics. One has a funeral for Hawkeye on the cover with Cap and others attending.

[Chewy]

Thanks

The original interview is here (http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/14251831/iron-man-2/videos/sdcc09cap_inv_samr_ironman2.html), you can watch it. He's asked if he picks up any "armor or weapons to do battle", and he says yes. The "or weapons" portion of the question has been left out of all of the "Sam Rockwell will wear Armor in Iron Man 2!" reports.

[DocHoliday]

Thanks

The original interview is here (http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/14251831/iron-man-2/videos/sdcc09cap_inv_samr_ironman2.html), you can watch it. He's asked if he picks up any "armor or weapons to do battle", and he says yes. The "or weapons" portion of the question has been left out of all of the "Sam Rockwell will wear Armor in Iron Man 2!" reports.

Oh okay. That explains that. For the record I am OPPOSED to Hammer being in armor so that actually makes me happy. Dick Jones from Robocop never had to get into armor to be effective as a villain.

[Brian Braddock]

Man, Ronny Cox was brilliant as Dick Jones.

[DocHoliday]

Man, Ronny Cox was brilliant as Dick Jones.

Agreed. I love that film for lots of reasons and he and the dude that played Bob Morton are definitely part of that.

[Chris B]

I hope it's revealed that Justin Hammer is actually nothing more than a pawn of The Mandarin

I agree.

[protocida]

Am I the only one who dislikes that idea?