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StorminNorman
10-08-2009, 10:50 AM
Honestly, I could easily see why these teams were passed up, and I agree with them getting passed up.
None of these teams play big road games against top 10 BCS teams. Its hard to put a team like Boise State, Utah, or Hawaii when they roll over teams from their own conference, top 10 teams from their conference or top 20 teams. But the fact is that none of these teams went on the road and beat a top 5 BCS conference teams like the last few national championship teams have.
If they want a national championship they need to have tougher scheduling.
That last excuse isn't valid at all, because these teams do try to schedule top teams.
Utah, for example, went to Michigan and beat Oregon State (who beat USC). They also beat TCU and BYU who were ranked in the top 15.
Also the conference they played in had a winning record against the Pac 10. So their inferiority is questionable as well.
If Virginia Tech went undefeated, they would have made the National Championship. Their schedule was arguably significantly weaker than Utah.
FaT_tONle
10-08-2009, 10:59 AM
Utah was more the exception. The Big 12 was stacked last year in terms of the rankings so a one loss team was getting in there regardless. The WAC is a JOKE this year. Only one other team other than Boise with a winning record thus far.
Parker Wayne
10-08-2009, 11:03 AM
That last excuse isn't valid at all, because these teams do try to schedule top teams.
Utah, for example, went to Michigan and beat Oregon State (who beat USC). They also beat TCU and BYU who were ranked in the top 15.
Also the conference they played in had a winning record against the Pac 10. So their inferiority is questionable as well.
If Virginia Tech went undefeated, they would have made the National Championship. Their schedule was arguably significantly weaker than Utah.
Yes, but voters look at non-BCS teams more harshly. Michigan was crap last year and Oregon State wasnt a top 5 team last year. I still commend Utah for trying to go for tougher schedule (How would they know that Michigan would suck from years before?), but the fact is that they didn't beat a National Championship contender. Florida beat Alabama (before the Bowl games), and Oklahoma beat Texas Tech (Though Texas should've been in the National Championship).
Utah didnt beat top ten team last year until Alabama. Putting Florida and Oklahoma in made much more sense.
Parker Wayne
10-08-2009, 11:06 AM
Utah was more the exception. The Big 12 was stacked last year in terms of the rankings so a one loss team was getting in there regardless. the WAC is a JOKE this year. Only one other team other than Boise with a winning record thus far.
Exactly. What about Boise State? They have yet to schedule a top 10 team on the road since that win against Oklahoma a few years ago.
Non BCS teams have to prove themselves.
StorminNorman
10-08-2009, 11:06 AM
No, it isn't. You are not required to beat a National Championship contender to make the national championship. The system is simply screwed up.
StorminNorman
10-08-2009, 11:08 AM
Exactly. What about Boise State? They have yet to schedule a top 10 team on the road since that win against Oklahoma a few years ago.
Non BCS teams have to prove themselves.
They played Georgia at Georgia a few years ago, they play Pac 10 teams on the road all the time. It's not their fault they aren't top 10 teams.
Parker Wayne
10-08-2009, 11:12 AM
They played Georgia at Georgia a few years ago, they play Pac 10 teams on the road all the time. It's not their fault they aren't top 10 teams.
It isn't their fault. It's still unfortunate and it hurts them nationally. That's why they should schedule USC. I mean you know their going to be in the top ten year in and year out.
They played Oregona and sure it can get them into a BCS game, but if they want a shot at the national championship they have to beat USC. But if Oregon beats USC this year........ :cwink:
StorminNorman
10-08-2009, 11:21 AM
It isn't their fault. It's still unfortunate and it hurts them nationally. That's why they should schedule USC. I mean you know their going to be in the top ten year in and year out.
They played Oregona and sure it can get them into a BCS game, but if they want a shot at the national championship they have to beat USC. But if Oregon beats USC this year........ :cwink:
Utah beat Oregon State who beat USC. Didn't help them :o
FaT_tONle
10-08-2009, 11:25 AM
No, it isn't. You are not required to beat a National Championship contender to make the national championship. The system is simply screwed up.
No one is denying that. It's about who is most deserving.
My two cents on a fix, start ranking teams mid season instead of pre-season and have a formal commitee that scouts and studies each conference. But since we eventually need a playoff, I'd set it up like this:
1. One undefeated (or best record) team at the end of the year, 7 team playoff, one bye team.
2. Two undefeated (or best record) teams at the end of the year, 6 team playoff, two byes.
3. Three undefeated (or best record) teams at the end of the year, 5 team playoff, three byes.
4. Four undefeated (or best record) teams at the end of the year, final four already set.
5. Five or more teams " "... 8 team playoff max.
That way you can weight it every year depending what teams are left at the top. I wouldn't take the top eight teams every year since there aren't always eight teams deserving of playing for a championship.
Parker Wayne
10-08-2009, 03:53 PM
Utah beat Oregon State who beat USC. Didn't help them :o
Yeah but if Oregon runs the table and beats USC they would actually be a top 10/top 5 team unlike Oregon state which never ranked higher than 17 last season even after beating USC. They only spent one week in the top 20 last season.
Excel
10-08-2009, 08:25 PM
Dez Byant suspended for the year? BUZZ. KILL.
That's good news for Big12 teams.
NotFadeAway
10-09-2009, 02:28 PM
Big East has been as good as the ACC for the last few years up until this year. I just think those programs need time. Big East needs to try and bring another big program in that conference though, but that will **** up their basketball conference, which already has 16 teams. The only solution is Notre Dame which obviously wants to part of any conference let alone the Big East. But it doesn't make sense to name them a BCS conference and NOT give an undefeated team out of there an opportunity to play for a national title.
If West Virginia hadn't blown it by losing to Pittsburgh in 2007, they would have been in the national title game and probably would have won the game. I think West Virginia could have beaten both Ohio State and LSU that year.
Look what they did to the most overrated team in the land, Oklahoma. That was a donkey stomping.
Dude101
10-09-2009, 04:20 PM
LSU was the best team in 2007. They were just beastly.
Parker Wayne
10-09-2009, 05:11 PM
No, it isn't. You are not required to beat a National Championship contender to make the national championship. The system is simply screwed up.
Every year a national championship team beats at least one contender before the national championship game. The teams they beat were top 10 teams going into bowl games.
2008: Florida beat Alabama
2007: LSU beat Virginia Tech and Florida
2006: Florida beat Arkansas and LSU
2005: Texas beat Ohio State
2004: USC beat Virginia Tech
2003: Ohio State beat Penn State and Washington State
2002: USC beat Washington state and LSU beat Georgia twice
2001: Miami beat Washington and Virignia Tech
2000: Oklahoma beat Nebraska and Kansas State
1999: Florida State beat Florida
1998: Tennessee beat Florida
Every season since the BCS started the Nation Championship winning team has knocked off a top 10 team. The system is screwed up, but the Non BCS teams know they have do more to get into the championship. Like I said, Oregon winning the Pac 10 (They have a very good chance) would do wonders for Boise State's chances. I wish more Non BCS teams would try to schedule games against tough BCS teams.
El_Citrus
10-09-2009, 06:09 PM
If West Virginia hadn't blown it by losing to Pittsburgh in 2007, they would have been in the national title game and probably would have won the game. I think West Virginia could have beaten both Ohio State and LSU that year.
Look what they did to the most overrated team in the land, Oklahoma. That was a donkey stomping.
:csad: Don't remind me. :csad:
Arc-Light
10-09-2009, 07:05 PM
If West Virginia hadn't blown it by losing to Pittsburgh in 2007, they would have been in the national title game and probably would have won the game. I think West Virginia could have beaten both Ohio State and LSU that year.
Look what they did to the most overrated team in the land, Oklahoma. That was a donkey stomping.
wow how can you say that when they did lose to Pitt.....do you even remember that game the refs tried very hard to give that game to WVU...and they still lost to the power running of the mighty Pitt. Both OSU and LSU would have stomped WVU that year. And the WVU team that beat Oklahome was not the same team in 07.
El_Citrus
10-09-2009, 07:37 PM
wow how can you say that when they did lose to Pitt.....do you even remember that game the refs tried very hard to give that game to WVU...and they still lost to the power running of the mighty Pitt. Both OSU and LSU would have stomped WVU that year. And the WVU team that beat Oklahome was not the same team in 07.
We lost to Pitt because we were so high on our success and were already looking forward to the National Championship game (Despite my wanting to believe the conspiracy theory that RichRod threw the game just so he could leave for Michigan that much sooner). Also add in that Pitt is our biggest rivalry game, where anything can happen in both college and pro.
Admittedly, once RichRod left, we opened up the passing game a LOT more against OU, but it was the same WVU team that was one game away from a shot at the title. We just choked on our own success, plain and simple. Had we beaten Pitt, we WOULD have given OSU or LSU a run for their money with White, Slaton, Schmitt, and the rest of that offense.
NotFadeAway
10-09-2009, 11:39 PM
I'm in agreement with El_Citrus on this one. West Virginia was looking ahead and just got caught by Pitt, there biggest rival. In a world in which Appalachian State can defeat Michigan, I can completely understand WVU getting caught up in the thoughts of a national title shot and blowing it.
I can't come out and garuntee that WVU would have beaten LSU, but it would have been a game, mark my word. LSU had already been beating by a great running team in Arkansas that year when they had McFadden, Felix Jones, Peyton Hillis, and company. Pat White, Steve Slaton, Owen Schmitt, and that WVU line were mightier than the Razorbacks when you add in that White could throw. And I WILL garuntee that WVU would have defeated Ohio State, the Buckeyes can't stop the spread, ecspecially when it's run oriented. Look what Juice Williams did to them that year, and Juice Williams sucks.
Still, I loved the ass whuppin WVU gave the Sooners. I will not rest until the Big 12 gets crapped on just like the Big 10, if not more so.
Arc-Light
10-10-2009, 03:28 AM
You two are still forgetting a glaring weakness WVU had that year....its defense wasn't that good and a team that had a good running game and a good defence would have beaten them. Both LSU and OSU and hell Boston College would have beaten them that year......now if we are talking the 06 team that is a different story.
El_Citrus
10-10-2009, 08:02 AM
Our defense has always been weak. In all four bowl games, it was almost always the same gameplan for WVU. Get out to an early lead and then just match the opponent, touchdown for touchdown. OSU and LSU both had power-based offenses, but it was always the big play and offensive turnovers that hurt WVU. One tiiiiny advantage about the BCS is that a team can have one game to come out and shock their opponent ala Boise State, WVU, etc. who just aren't completely prepared for their entire offense. I too don't guarantee that WVU would have won, but you can't deny how prolific and effective that offense would have been against OSU/LSU. It would have at least been a close game instead of the easy beat down you're suggesting.
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 08:14 AM
It's gameday!!
FaT_tONle
10-10-2009, 08:26 AM
Really no noteworthy games today outside the SEC other than maybe Iowa trying to remain unbeaten. Even LSU/FLA... both teams can absorb a loss and still recover since a one loss team from there is more than likely getting in.
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 08:33 AM
Wow, didn't realize only 2 games today between ranked teams. Ole Miss/Bama..Florida/LSU.
El_Citrus
10-10-2009, 08:41 AM
But, it's the Florida Gators. EVERYONE has to watch the Gators Savior rise up through the most adversarial of adversities, fight through the insurmountable pain and anguish, inspire his disciples with the most stirring of speeches ever known to man and defeat the enemy known as LSU completely by himself...Or he could be sitting on the sideline come game time...
NotFadeAway
10-10-2009, 12:06 PM
Iowa-Michigan tonight. I just hope the Hawkeyes don't blow it with Stanzi throwing yet another pick six. I really think this Hawkeye defense can play with anyone in the country, I just don't know about there offense. Still, I'd like to see a fresh faced Big Ten champion, and Iowa has my support. I think they can beat Ohio State because Terrell Pryor won' know what the hell to do with that defense coming at him.
NotFadeAway
10-10-2009, 12:07 PM
But, it's the Florida Gators. EVERYONE has to watch the Gators Savior rise up through the most adversarial of adversities, fight through the insurmountable pain and anguish, inspire his disciples with the most stirring of speeches ever known to man and defeat the enemy known as LSU completely by himself...Or he could be sitting on the sideline come game time...
Lol-erz....
I think LSU beats Florida tonight, but Bama turns around and knocks the snot out of LSU, and then we will once again have Florida/Bama in the SEC title game.
FaT_tONle
10-10-2009, 12:11 PM
I will laugh my ass off if that happens and Texas or a one loss Big/Pac 10 get in over LSU.
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 12:43 PM
Bloody hell...we're making the worst quarterback in the SEC look like a damn pro :whatever:
Arkansas is whooping Auburn
BlackLantern
10-10-2009, 04:53 PM
UConn is doing great against Pitt...nice surprise
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 05:40 PM
I'm going to go die now, see you.
I also retract everything I ever said about Ole Miss being back.
BlackLantern
10-10-2009, 05:41 PM
tough day for you 'Fire...I'm sorry...Uconn just got dashed at the end too....
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 05:59 PM
My lord in Heaven...we're uninspired, undisciplined, and chickens running around with their heads cut off have better sense of where they're going than our DE's.
:facepalm:
Hope destroyed. Season done. Go Dawgs.
Excel
10-10-2009, 06:03 PM
Hey atleast you can still watch aj
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 06:13 PM
AJ had a mere 60 yards today. Bloody hell.
Not totally his fault though, the play calling was totally WTF, and the o-line barely gave Cox enough time to do anything. And the O score a whopping ZERO points today. Someone shoot me :csad:
Byrd Man
10-10-2009, 06:30 PM
My lord in Heaven...we're uninspired, undisciplined, and chickens running around with their heads cut off have better sense of where they're going than our DE's.
:facepalm:
Hope destroyed. Season done. Go Dawgs.
I take offense to those words!!! :cmad:
Why couldn't this be the UGA Carolina played?
Anyway, cock-s up to 5-1 after barely beating Kentucky.
Garcia had a heck of a game so did freshmen wide out Alshon Jeffery, catching three TDs
Ready for Bama next week.
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 06:56 PM
For tonight's game, I'm going to chug a chocolate milkshake each time they say "Tebow"
BlackLantern
10-10-2009, 06:59 PM
do you want to die 'fire....is there that much chocolate in your area??
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 07:03 PM
Hmm...maybe not. After all, if I'm gone, there's a hidden clause in my contract that would bring Silver Knight and Fresh Prince in as secondary mods.
The bosses really want to keep me around. :hehe: :oldrazz:
BlackLantern
10-10-2009, 07:04 PM
if FP ever became a mod, Im leaving the Hype
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 07:07 PM
LSU's golden girls...oh my sweetness :eek:
BlackLantern
10-10-2009, 07:08 PM
I keep forgetting that LSU has an enormous band entity
The Golden Band from Tigerland, indeed
Bunker
10-10-2009, 07:28 PM
I guess we're going to get 10 instant replays every time Tebow gets hit. Oh joy.
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 08:23 PM
Sam Bradford threw for 386 yards today....against Baylor, but still.
Mister J
10-10-2009, 08:29 PM
It's nice for Miami finally to have a team they can really smack around.
Be nicer if Michigan can keep hanging around and eek this one out.
BlackLantern
10-10-2009, 08:36 PM
and Michigan coughs it up
Immortalfire
10-10-2009, 09:56 PM
Texas finally put away Colorado...it was close for a long time.
Mister J
10-10-2009, 10:29 PM
Too many ****ing turnovers.
I don't care what happened on the previous drive. I'm going with Forcier for a potential GW drive.
FaT_tONle
10-10-2009, 10:37 PM
Rodriguez is his own worst enemy... overthinks and overplays and overcoaches the **** out of everything. Michigan needs to take a hint and can him sooner than later. Hope they can lure Les Miles from LSU in a few years. Funny though how an undefeated Hawkeye team may not even finish in the top five though.
LegendaryCaleb
10-10-2009, 10:37 PM
taking out Forcier in the final minute of the game was a big mistake...he was punished enough getting taken out earlier...come on...(not a michigan fan...a msu fan...but still...it was stupid)
Dr. Evil
10-10-2009, 11:11 PM
Iowa wins again...let the annual "Kirk Ferentz to NFL rumors" begin.....
Arc-Light
10-10-2009, 11:24 PM
Tater tot will not make it through the rest of the BT season.............UM's back up needs all the work he can get.
NotFadeAway
10-13-2009, 04:39 PM
Tater tot will not make it through the rest of the BT season.............UM's back up needs all the work he can get.
lol:yay:
Dr. Evil
10-14-2009, 03:06 PM
Oh for the love of....
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/101309dnspocottonbowl.211fbd227.html
Immortalfire
10-14-2009, 03:11 PM
Alright, this is getting ridiculous.
Byrd Man
10-14-2009, 03:54 PM
Oh for the love of....
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/101309dnspocottonbowl.211fbd227.html
Still waiting for comfirmation of the SHH! Bowl.
Immortalfire
10-14-2009, 03:59 PM
The Superhero Hype Bowl will be announced soon, to play at Reliant Stadium in Houston.
:woot:
Byrd Man
10-14-2009, 04:09 PM
I remember that, I'm just waiting on your dirty shysters to officially announce it! :cmad:
LegendaryCaleb
10-14-2009, 05:00 PM
:woot:
ill be there!
Immortalfire
10-14-2009, 05:17 PM
I remember that, I'm just waiting on your dirty shysters to officially announce it! :cmad:
We're trying to figure out what teams from which conferences will be asked to play.
Immortalfire
10-15-2009, 08:27 AM
Tonight's Cincinnati/South Florida game ought to be good
signalman
10-17-2009, 04:15 AM
I am going to the BAYLOR-IOWA STATE game tonight.
#2 Northern Iowa Hosts #5 Southern Ill. Wish I was going to this game instead.
rdh007
10-17-2009, 08:12 AM
Tater tot will not make it through the rest of the BT season.............UM's back up needs all the work he can get.
The power of the Forc(ier) is never ending. Though an improved line and some more bulk would help to make him more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Oh, and a capable backup with next year's class, more players designed for their defense, keeping Greg Robinson on as DC, and a move for Denard Robinson to another skill position will help to complete this fully armed and operational football program.
BlackLantern
10-17-2009, 09:05 AM
OU/Texas today....who does everybody got?
Immortalfire
10-17-2009, 09:15 AM
It's gameday!!
I'm going with TX
Franklin Richards
10-17-2009, 09:19 AM
Ahhhh! The Red River Shootout!
The only day of the year where an A&M alum like myself can legally root for Texas.
Come on, T-Sippers! Beat OU!
:thing: :doom: :thing:
BlackLantern
10-17-2009, 09:29 AM
I figured the Aggies would root for OU to beat their rival....or is it more of a matter of state pride then?
Franklin Richards
10-17-2009, 09:30 AM
This week it's about state pride. Plus there's an old saying in Texas.
How come Texas doesn't sink into the Gulf?
Because Oklahoma SUX!!!
:thing: :doom: :thing:
Mister J
10-17-2009, 11:22 AM
I've got Oklahoma in my Pick' Em. Although, it feels weird predicting OU to come through in a big spot.
The power of the Forc(ier) is never ending. Though an improved line and some more bulk would help to make him more powerful than you can possibly imagine. Oh, and a capable backup with next year's class, more players designed for their defense, keeping Greg Robinson on as DC, and a move for Denard Robinson to another skill position will help to complete this fully armed and operational football program.
I've got a good feeling about this.
edit: ...and as soon as that post comes through, Bradford's shoulder gets banged again. In comes The 'Stache.
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 11:48 AM
Let's go Oklahoma!!! (So USC can keep moving up)
Mister J
10-17-2009, 11:57 AM
Oklahoma is dominating, but their inability to get into the end zone is going to bite them in the keister if they don't step it up.
No kidding. I think they're looking a lot better than Texas, even with Landry, but that's not saying much with only those 6 points on the board.
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 12:10 PM
Did the commentator just call a player named Jordan Shipley, Jeremy Shockly?
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 12:14 PM
Classic. Does Jeremy Shockey even play anymore?
Mister J
10-17-2009, 12:48 PM
This game is hideous ...and it's taking forever.
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 12:48 PM
Oklahoma is pathetic on everything not defense.
Mister J
10-17-2009, 12:54 PM
Neither team can get out of its own way. The ineptitude is staggering.
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 12:55 PM
That's the last straw. I refuse to watch anymore of a game this ugly.
LOL. Can no one hold onto the ball? Ugly.
Mister J
10-17-2009, 12:57 PM
Screw this. I'm going to enjoy the rest of the Michigan blowout.
Darthphere
10-17-2009, 01:04 PM
Does anyone know why there are two #12's on Texas?
Immortalfire
10-17-2009, 01:11 PM
6-3...yowza.
BlackLantern
10-17-2009, 02:15 PM
This week it's about state pride. Plus there's an old saying in Texas.
How come Texas doesn't sink into the Gulf?
Because Oklahoma SUX!!!
:thing: :doom: :thing:
so you are dependent on Oklahoma sucking for your states survival??
:oldrazz:
its actuallly kinda funny....I knew guys from Texas in the service and I can say I don't think there are any other people that are prouder of their state than Texans
Mister J
10-17-2009, 02:20 PM
Pryor looked awful and OSU goes down to Purdue.
rdh007
10-17-2009, 02:33 PM
Pryor looked awful and OSU goes down to Purdue.
At first I was excited, then I remembered I had Purdue in mind as a sure win for Big Blue. I am now worried about making a bowl game again.
Immortalfire
10-17-2009, 02:53 PM
Pryor looked awful and OSU goes down to Purdue.
:up:
Dawgs win! AJ Green is :awesome:
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 03:02 PM
Friggin' Barkley destroyed that first drive. 3 passes and a TD.
Go Web Go!
10-17-2009, 03:46 PM
The Gators are in a giving mood today, aren't they? Sheesh.
omid17
10-17-2009, 04:22 PM
Holy ****
just realized Jacob Harfman kicker for the Trojans was on my soccer team a few years back and went to high school with that dude :up:
Dr. Evil
10-17-2009, 04:29 PM
I see that Bobby Petrino is still coaching Arkansas.
BlackLantern
10-17-2009, 04:31 PM
he hasn't run off yet, but i hear that he keeps a packed bag near his office door
Mister J
10-17-2009, 04:39 PM
Petrino is such an undeniable douche, but he can undeniably coach 'em up ...at least, in college.
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 05:34 PM
FLA down in the 4th. I like.
BlackLantern
10-17-2009, 05:39 PM
Florida just tied the game
Dr. Evil
10-17-2009, 05:40 PM
So Bradford returns to Oklahoma next year?
Mister J
10-17-2009, 05:45 PM
Probably. If he was hurt bad enough to get pulled today, he needs to just say '**** it' and have the surgery he likely was going to have at the end of the season. I think his draft stock takes a hit with only playing in one full game this year. Consequently, he probably looks to boost it back with a (hopefully) healthy season next year. Tough break for Sam.
Dr. Evil
10-17-2009, 05:46 PM
A top draft pick for next year will probably be Ndamukong Suh, Defensive Lineman at Nebraska.
Poetic Chaos
10-17-2009, 05:49 PM
College kickers are so damn useless. Congrats Florida.
Mister J
10-17-2009, 05:50 PM
Ndamukong Suh
Gesundheit
Darthphere
10-17-2009, 06:27 PM
Noble effort by Notre Dame.
Mister J
10-17-2009, 06:30 PM
Better than I expected. I think that reflects on Southern Cal not being as good as advertised, because I know Notre Dame isn't really worth a damn.
FaT_tONle
10-17-2009, 06:31 PM
Good thing ND lost. I gaurantee they would have jumped from 20 to 2 in the polls the final weekend had they finished with one loss along with every other team.
Darthphere
10-17-2009, 06:31 PM
Jimmy Clausen is for real though. Sadly, he plays for Notre Dame. If he was at USC, he'd be the unanimous #1 pick in the draft.
Mister J
10-17-2009, 06:33 PM
He should still be pretty high. As much as I can't stand the ****ing Fighting Irish, Clausen has the goods.
Darthphere
10-17-2009, 06:35 PM
He should still be pretty high. As much as I can't stand the ****ing Fighting Irish, Clausen has the goods.
I started feeling really bad for Charlie, but then I came back to reality. Now I feel really bad for Jimmy Clausen for having a ****** coach.
Immortalfire
10-17-2009, 07:09 PM
Refs for FL/Ark were horrible. I think they were the same crowd that did a bullcrap job for Georgia/LSU.
I thought VT was supposed to have a good defense?
StorminNorman
10-17-2009, 07:38 PM
Jimmy Clausen is for real though. Sadly, he plays for Notre Dame. If he was at USC, he'd be the unanimous #1 pick in the draft.
Clausen will still be the top QB drafted. Colt McCoy should be a second rounder, Bradford won't come out, Tebow is...Tebow and Pike isn't gifted enough.
Immortalfire
10-17-2009, 07:43 PM
Tell it, Mel.
StorminNorman
10-17-2009, 08:50 PM
I already have a notebook full of college prospect notes :up:
Go Web Go!
10-17-2009, 09:07 PM
Canes aren't exactly overwhelming UCF tonight.
Mister J
10-17-2009, 09:09 PM
Defense is lights out, but offense has been t3h stinky in terms of getting to the end zone. This sucks.
Go Web Go!
10-17-2009, 09:15 PM
Yeah, I just saw that -14 rushing on the stats board. Yuck.
Mister J
10-17-2009, 09:44 PM
Shannon's diplomacy bothers me a little. Ain't nothing wrong with putting another TD on the board when you're given the chance.
Darthphere
10-17-2009, 10:06 PM
Clausen will still be the top QB drafted. Colt McCoy should be a second rounder, Bradford won't come out, Tebow is...Tebow and Pike isn't gifted enough.
You know, I might get some flack for this, but when I see Colt play, he just comes off as a Tebow with a better arm. He runs the ball just as much and maybe I'm missing something or went to the bathroom every time, never seen him throw a pass over 15 yards.
BlackLantern
10-17-2009, 10:09 PM
I take accuracy over distance any day...but thats just me
Darthphere
10-17-2009, 10:10 PM
I take accuracy over distance any day...but thats just me
Eh, you need to be able to go vertical every once in a while. Just ask Chad Pennington.
omid17
10-17-2009, 10:11 PM
I take accuracy over distance any day...but thats just mesame here, Jamuncheis and Quinn are good examples
Dr. Evil
10-17-2009, 10:11 PM
Refs for FL/Ark were horrible. I think they were the same crowd that did a bullcrap job for Georgia/LSU.
I thought VT was supposed to have a good defense?
All they were doing was auditioning for the NFL.
Byrd Man
10-17-2009, 10:12 PM
Cock-s lose to Bama. Ugly game, but managed to stay with the tide for the majority of the game. Vandy next week.
rdh007
10-17-2009, 11:35 PM
I started feeling really bad for Charlie, but then I came back to reality. Now I feel really bad for Jimmy Clausen for having a ****** coach.
That's more or less where I'm at. Though add to it an irrational hatred of all things Notre Dame and thus a watered down version of your sentiment.
Poetic Chaos
10-18-2009, 02:36 PM
Oklahoma still ranked at 3-3. Sigh.
But USC jumped to 4 and Florida is no longer 1. I won't complain.
Immortalfire
10-18-2009, 02:50 PM
Why the heck is OK in the top 25 :huh:
Darthphere
10-18-2009, 02:51 PM
Miami moved up....to #8! :dry:
Mister J
10-18-2009, 02:54 PM
I could complain about the ridiculousness of USC's ranking, but they have to play at Autzen. If they take care of business there, it'll be justified. Otherwise, it takes care of itself.
I believe the first BCMess Poll is about to be revealed at 4.
Darthphere
10-18-2009, 02:57 PM
Notre Dame deserves to be in the top 25 if Oklahoma is.
Mister J
10-18-2009, 03:48 PM
It has begun.
Here's a quick look at the top five for the initial BCS standings.
1. Florida
2. Alabama
3. Texas
4. Boise State
5. Cincinnati
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4574995
Darthphere
10-18-2009, 03:52 PM
I'm surprised they have Boise State at #4.
Immortalfire
10-18-2009, 04:07 PM
I'm stunned that they don't have USC in the top 5.
FaT_tONle
10-18-2009, 04:22 PM
Iowa and Cinci will jump Boise St. no doubt should they all run the table. Even USC/Miami IMO.
Trainwreck2100
10-18-2009, 05:56 PM
Iowa and Cinci will jump Boise St. no doubt should they all run the table. Even USC/Miami IMO.
If TCU runs the table they should jump them too.
Darthphere
10-18-2009, 05:57 PM
Don't forget mighty Texas Christian.
BlackLantern
10-18-2009, 05:58 PM
who the hell does TCU play to warrant that??
Dr. Evil
10-18-2009, 06:00 PM
who the hell does TCU play to warrant that??
Nobody worth a damn.
StorminNorman
10-18-2009, 06:04 PM
I am rooting for a Boise State championship :o
Darthphere
10-18-2009, 06:05 PM
I would take Boise over any ranked team right now.
Trainwreck2100
10-18-2009, 11:49 PM
who the hell does TCU play to warrant that??
They play a number 16 BYU next week and Boise state beat a number 16 Oregon. But then tcu goes on to play Utah. And if Utah is still ranked and tcu wins out that makes 2 ranked teams beaten to Boise state's 1.
RAMORE
10-20-2009, 10:41 AM
Crazy weekend in CFB I thought Florida was going to lose it and they probably should have but they didn't. That Damn Arkansas team is so up and down it's crazy and why is that RB the back up he was really good.
Darthphere
10-20-2009, 10:43 AM
They play a number 16 BYU next week and Boise state beat a number 16 Oregon. But then tcu goes on to play Utah. And if Utah is still ranked and tcu wins out that makes 2 ranked teams beaten to Boise state's 1.
But if Oregon wins the Pac 10 (Doubtful) that win would look even better. I think TCU loses to BYU. The Battle of Christian Sects.
Excel
10-20-2009, 04:04 PM
Yall should check out Best's electrifying 93 yard touchdown. The moves and acceleration is just beyond ridiculous.
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The fake at 13 second is just....DAYUMMMMMM
Immortalfire
10-24-2009, 09:53 AM
It's gameday!!
Ole Miss/Arkansas will be interesting, as Houston Nutt faces his old team.
Excel
10-24-2009, 05:19 PM
I cant believe how good Alabama plays despite their QBs lack of skills.
Amazing defense, one of the best running backs and wide receivers in the country...they could be one of the great all time teams in recent years if their QB wasnt so damn incompetant at moving the ball down the field.
FaT_tONle
10-24-2009, 06:13 PM
If I had to project the bowl games, I think it will go
Orange: Cinci 12-0 vs ACC winner
Rose: Iowa 11-1 vs USC 11-1
Sugar: FLA/Alabama loser vs TCU 12-0
Fiesta: Boise St. 12-0 vs Big Ten/ACC/Big 12 runner up
NC: FLA/Ala winner vs Texas 13-0
If Texas slips, the pecking order would be Iowa (12-0)/Cinci (12-0)/Pac 10 one loss/Big 12 one loss/ACC one loss/Big 10 one loss/TCU/Boise St/Big East one loss.
Note: All one loss teams would have to win their Conf Championship game if they play one, if they lose that game they will be jumped by the team behind them.
BlackLantern
10-24-2009, 07:55 PM
this Florida/Miss St game is heated
Immortalfire
10-24-2009, 09:46 PM
It was. lol
Fresh Prince
10-24-2009, 09:46 PM
Did Tim Tebow break Hershel Walker's record?
Excel
10-25-2009, 12:31 AM
Tebow shouldnt be a Heisman contender this point; he quite simply has not played that well.
Calusen, Best/Ingram, and AJ Green have been the best players at the respective offensive skill positions. Tebow #s are pretty damn ******.
Parker Wayne
10-25-2009, 10:17 AM
Oh Miami :facepalm:
Why can't any team in the ACC play consistently good football?
Kelly
10-25-2009, 10:29 AM
I'm trying to figure out why when Tennessee wins, they win big.....I want to take some of those points and add them to their 4 close losses...damn these games are so close, its heartbreaking...
Immortalfire
10-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Texas ought be #1 this week. They won't, but they should be.
Mister J
10-25-2009, 04:36 PM
'Canes failed to show up and Michigan got curbstomped. It was not a pleasant Saturday for the J Man.
Trainwreck2100
10-25-2009, 11:44 PM
ST. LOUIS -- Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford will have season-ending shoulder surgery and expects to enter the NFL draft in April.
The Oklahoma quarterback injured his right, throwing shoulder twice this season, most recently against Texas on Oct. 10.
The school announced Sunday that Dr. James Andrews will perform the operation Wednesday in Birmingham, Ala. Bradford is expected to address reporters following the Sooners' practice on Monday night in Norman, Okla.
Bradford will hold a news conference at 6 p.m. Monday.
"I dreamed about coming to Oklahoma my whole life," Bradford said Sunday in a statement. "That's the reason I came back for this season. And I came back to play, not sit on the bench. That's the reason I tried to play after the injury. I'm very disappointed that it didn't work out differently.
"Under these circumstances, and after talking to several people, this is the right thing for me to do at this point."
Bradford passed up the chance to be a first-round NFL draft pick this year -- he was projected as high as No. 1 overall -- to play another season with the Sooners, who he grew up following as a child in Oklahoma City.
After he was hurt against the Longhorns, reaggravating a sprain of the AC joint in his shoulder, Bradford initially said he was going to wait until the end of the season to make a decision about his future. He then called a news conference for Wednesday on campus, then canceled it about two hours before it was scheduled to take place.
He accompanied Oklahoma to its 35-13 road win at Kansas on Saturday.
According to his statement, Bradford expects his recovery time to be four to six months. As of Sunday, the April 22 draft was about six months away.
"I'll be up to the challenge," Bradford said in the statement.
Bradford led the Sooners to the BCS championship game last season as a sophomore, setting school records with 4,720 yards passing and 50 touchdowns while throwing only eight interceptions. Oklahoma lost to Florida 24-14 in the championship game, and Bradford announced less than a week later that he intended to return for his junior year -- along with classmates and fellow NFL prospects Gerald McCoy, Jermaine Gresham and Trent Williams -- for another chance at the title.
It ended up being the exact opposite of what he expected.
He broke 2003 Heisman Trophy winner Jason White's school record for passing yards in a career one play before he was hit by BYU linebacker Coleby Clawson just before halftime in the season opener. The Sooners ended up losing that game and again at Miami without Bradford before he returned to throw for 389 yards in a win against Baylor.
On the second series against archrival Texas, Bradford fell on the shoulder again when he was sacked by Texas cornerback Aaron Williams in what will likely be the last play of his college career. The Sooners, now ranked No. 22, lost for the third time this season to fall out of the national championship race and jeopardize their chances at a fourth straight Big 12 title.
Bradford also holds several other school records, including career touchdown passes (88) and yards passing in a game (468).
"We want Sam to pursue the best option for his recovery and future," coach Bob Stoops said in a statement. "We obviously feel this is best for his long-range future. Sam has led us to two Big 12 championships and an appearance in the national title game, and has demonstrated uncommon leadership skills. He is an absolute role model as a student-athlete and loyal teammate.
"We appreciate the incredible contributions he has made to this program and university."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4593917
Mister J
10-26-2009, 06:00 AM
I thought there was a chance he might come back. Having the surgery is a no-brainer and the recovery window still gives him time to have some draft workout. Hope it works out for him.
Immortalfire
10-26-2009, 12:02 PM
Dan Mullen calls out SEC's horrible officiating...http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=200910240078&prov=ap
“I don’t even know why we have replay right now in the Southeastern Conference if they’re not going to utilize it,” Mullen said.
“That’s twice now that they’ve blown calls on the replay with our games, resulting in big plays, and I think that’s unexcusable for that official. I hope he’s severely punished if he ever works another SEC game again, because I think it’s completely unacceptable.” He's exactly right. FL intercepted a pass, and the dude was going for a TD...he starts doing a dance en route, then DROPS the ball, BEFORE he crosses the line. On the replay, it was clear as crystal that a Miss St. lineman grabbed him and pulled the ball away BEFORE he crossed the goal line.
They called it a touchdown anyway. What the hell :huh:
Trainwreck2100
10-26-2009, 02:48 PM
Dan Mullen calls out SEC's horrible officiating...http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recap?gid=200910240078&prov=ap
He's exactly right. FL intercepted a pass, and the dude was going for a TD...he starts doing a dance en route, then DROPS the ball, BEFORE he crosses the line. On the replay, it was clear as crystal that a Miss St. lineman grabbed him and pulled the ball away BEFORE he crossed the goal line.
They called it a touchdown anyway. What the hell :huh:
Tim Tebow must have called in a favor from God
StorminNorman
10-26-2009, 07:11 PM
Texas ought be #1 this week. They won't, but they should be.
Why? Because they looked terrible against Oklahoma or because they looked so dominant against a bad Missouri team?
Alabama should be number 1.
Immortalfire
10-26-2009, 07:46 PM
Why? Because they looked terrible against Oklahoma or because they looked so dominant against a bad Missouri team?
Alabama should be number 1.
Because they actually won soundly, while Bama barely squeaked by Tennessee.
Trainwreck2100
10-27-2009, 12:01 AM
Why? Because they looked terrible against Oklahoma or because they looked so dominant against a bad Missouri team?
Alabama should be number 1.
Bama got lucky, they couldn't even put the ball in the endzone againt Tenn.
i love Texas sitting at #3. it doesnt put the whole pressure on us like it does on bama and the lizards. the way they have been playing they might lose before the sec championship but if not then the winner will face Texas. we have a good game this weekend in stillwater and when we win the road is straight to pasadena. im going to the Texas Vs UCF game because my buddy goes to UCF. it should be fun.
RAMORE
10-27-2009, 09:47 AM
Tennessee has the best defense coach in the country and Florida and Bama should get respect for beating them.
I think if Tebow has a few big games he could get the Heismen which would be a shame he doesn't deserve it this year but they stole it from him last year!
My poor Canes are up and then down they are so young and inconsistent but that will be better next year!
By the way Florida is still going to go undefeated and win it all.
Immortalfire
10-27-2009, 03:21 PM
This is for Excel, given his man love for WR's
Nominees for the Biletnikoff award (http://www.biletnikoffaward.com/)...
Freddie Barnes, Bowling Green
Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas
AJ Green, Georgia
Vincent Brown, San Diego State
Eric Decker, Minnesota
Marshwan Gilyard, Cinncinnati
Jordan Shipley, Texas
Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
Golden Tate, Notre Dame
Mike Williams, Syracuse
StorminNorman
10-27-2009, 03:26 PM
Because they actually won soundly, while Bama barely squeaked by Tennessee.
You don't see how faulty that logic is? Tennessee is a good team. Texas squeaked by Oklahoma the week before, does that mean that Iowa really deserves to be number 1?
Bama got lucky, they couldn't even put the ball in the endzone againt Tenn.
A win's a win. You look at Alabama's season as a whole and you can't even attempt to argue they have looked inferior to Texas.
Tennessee has the best defense coach in the country and Florida and Bama should get respect for beating them.
I think if Tebow has a few big games he could get the Heismen which would be a shame he doesn't deserve it this year but they stole it from him last year!
My poor Canes are up and then down they are so young and inconsistent but that will be better next year!
By the way Florida is still going to go undefeated and win it all.
Florida will lose to Georgia, count it.
AJ Green will make a Heisman case on Saturday.
Immortalfire
10-27-2009, 04:04 PM
You don't see how faulty that logic is? Tennessee is a good team. Texas squeaked by Oklahoma the week before, does that mean that Iowa really deserves to be number 1?I'm just going by BCS logic....which is really a contradiction in terms.
Florida will lose to Georgia, count it. Ain't no way. We're too bad, their D is too good, and the refs will flag anyone that so much as breathes on Tebow. :doh:
StorminNorman
10-27-2009, 04:13 PM
Ain't no way. We're too bad, their D is too good, and the refs will flag anyone that so much as breathes on Tebow. :doh:
Florida's defense can be attacked with the long pass. AJ Green will give us a Heisman performance.
RAMORE
10-28-2009, 08:09 AM
You don't see how faulty that logic is? Tennessee is a good team. Texas squeaked by Oklahoma the week before, does that mean that Iowa really deserves to be number 1?
A win's a win. You look at Alabama's season as a whole and you can't even attempt to argue they have looked inferior to Texas.
Florida will lose to Georgia, count it.
AJ Green will make a Heisman case on Saturday.
Counted now let's see if your boys show up:hehe:
Immortalfire
10-31-2009, 09:02 AM
It's gameday!!
South Florida knocked off #21 WVU last night, good game :up:
And the SEC has ruled that they're going to skip reprimands, and go ahead and slap fines on coaches that dare speak out about horrid officiating. Good job in not fixing the problem :whatever:
BlackLantern
10-31-2009, 09:04 AM
so we've got the worlds biggest cocktail party today (Florida vs. Georgia)
USC vs Oregon and Texas vs OK State
should be an interesting day
Immortalfire
10-31-2009, 09:10 AM
so we've got the worlds biggest cocktail party today (Florida vs. Georgia)
Shhh...you can't call it that anymore! Instead it's called the Happy La-La Joyful Gameday Where No One Consumes Alcohol :yay:
:doh:
FaT_tONle
10-31-2009, 09:14 AM
so we've got the worlds biggest cocktail party today (Florida vs. Georgia)
USC vs Oregon and Texas vs OK State
should be an interesting day
Only games I am paying attention too. Couple of playoff games obviously. Hope we get USC in the New York area. I don't get why ABC has to televize the Big 12 or the Big 10 every week in the prime time slot.
BlackLantern
10-31-2009, 09:15 AM
the ABC listing here in connecticut has USC/Oregon tonight
Excel
10-31-2009, 12:11 PM
The play calling last nights game was baffling. WVU stopped using Devine in the 4th quarter. Idiotic.
And quote me on it: Georgia WILL beat Florida if they get AJ involved enough.
FaT_tONle
10-31-2009, 02:59 PM
Great finish to RU/UConn... looks like Rutgers has something with the freshman Savage. Felt bad for the UConn program and the teammates, but at the end of the day, we needed a win. I'll take it.
The Bearcats are on fire.
omid17
10-31-2009, 04:59 PM
Michigan is getting ****ed up
Immortalfire
10-31-2009, 05:32 PM
Unmotivated, Uninspired, Uncoordinated. Words I never thought I'd hear myself saying when describing Georgia football.
:facepalm:
Dr. Evil
10-31-2009, 05:36 PM
Duke is two minutes away from a 5 win season....also means 2 minutes away from being one step closer to hell actually freezing over.
omid17
10-31-2009, 05:39 PM
Unmotivated, Uninspired, Uncoordinated. Words I never thought I'd hear myself saying when describing Georgia football.
:facepalm::csad:
i wonder if they'll boot Rodriguez
BlackLantern
10-31-2009, 05:53 PM
Tebow went sickhouse on their asses....
sorry 'Fire
Immortalfire
10-31-2009, 06:03 PM
Screw them, screw us, and screw the BCS.
Kelly
10-31-2009, 06:12 PM
I feel ya....
Mister J
10-31-2009, 06:16 PM
Blimey, Michigan. :(
At least Miami rallied for a strong comeback against perennial power Wake Forest.:dry:
Ugh and double ugh.
Dude101
10-31-2009, 06:22 PM
Im a LSU fan so I wont shed a tear for Georgia fans.
BlackLantern
10-31-2009, 06:33 PM
i understand saying screw Florida....but in this instance 'screw the BCS' doesn't apply....the BCS didn't put up 41 on Georgia.....Florida did
FaT_tONle
10-31-2009, 06:42 PM
I just want chaos every year. More undefeated teams the better. Hopefully Bama can close the conference out though.
rdh007
10-31-2009, 09:11 PM
:csad:
i wonder if they'll boot Rodriguez
If they've got any sense, they'll give him another year no matter what. Though I think with the AD change, he's got that. The AD is not going to come in and fire RichRod immediately. The new guy will give him at least a year. Also, a win on Nov. 21 (combined with the win over ND) would make all this disappear long enough for him to get things going.
omid17
10-31-2009, 09:17 PM
If they've got any sense, they'll give him another year no matter what. Though I think with the AD change, he's got that. The AD is not going to come in and fire RichRod immediately. The new guy will give him at least a year. Also, a win on Nov. 21 (combined with the win over ND) would make all this disappear long enough for him to get things going.we'll see how it works out, haven't they lost last 4 out of 5 games after starting 3-0?
rdh007
10-31-2009, 09:19 PM
we'll see how it works out, haven't they lost last 4 out of 5 games after starting 3-0?
They started 4-0, then lost 4 of 5. Though they looked competitive against Iowa and MSU, but have not looked capable against PSU or Illinois.
omid17
10-31-2009, 09:23 PM
They started 4-0, then lost 4 of 5. Though they looked competitive against Iowa and MSU, but have not looked capable against PSU or Illinois.for sure
omid17
10-31-2009, 09:46 PM
Oregon is playing great tonight
Dr. Evil
10-31-2009, 10:10 PM
So, have the yearly "Kirk Ferentz to receive NFL Interest" rumors popped up yet?
Kelly
10-31-2009, 10:31 PM
Where has this Tennessee team been all season?
Bunker
10-31-2009, 10:36 PM
Oregon. :up:
Immortalfire
10-31-2009, 10:37 PM
i understand saying screw Florida....but in this instance 'screw the BCS' doesn't apply....the BCS didn't put up 41 on Georgia.....Florida did
Well, I threw that one in for good measure. They're the biggest evil of all.
Byrd Man
10-31-2009, 10:58 PM
Where has this Tennessee team been all season?
:cmad:
Why can't they wait to break out on Kentucky and Vandy? Why USC? :csad:
Immortalfire
10-31-2009, 11:22 PM
Tennessee's black jerseys looked ridiculous. Ain't even one in their color scheme.
omid17
10-31-2009, 11:23 PM
wait they wore black? i gotta watch the highlights tonight
Mister J
10-31-2009, 11:35 PM
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3192/2e305d59f73a41498c6dfa0.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/2e305d59f73a41498c6dfa0.jpg/)
:dry:
I understand, Halloween and all, but still. :dry:
Immortalfire
10-31-2009, 11:36 PM
That is horrible :dry:
omid17
10-31-2009, 11:37 PM
thx MJ
yea it sure looks nasty
Byrd Man
11-01-2009, 12:07 AM
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3192/2e305d59f73a41498c6dfa0.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/2e305d59f73a41498c6dfa0.jpg/)
:dry:
I understand, Halloween and all, but still. :dry:
That is an ugly picture.
As bad as the unis are, you could have picked a better picture. I mean, not one where the USC player doesn't look like a JV scrub. :csad:
BlackLantern
11-01-2009, 06:35 AM
Well, I threw that one in for good measure. They're the biggest evil of all.
even Thanos thinks the BCS is evil
Longhorns on the rise. Hook Em
RAMORE
11-02-2009, 11:13 AM
You don't see how faulty that logic is? Tennessee is a good team. Texas squeaked by Oklahoma the week before, does that mean that Iowa really deserves to be number 1?
A win's a win. You look at Alabama's season as a whole and you can't even attempt to argue they have looked inferior to Texas.
Florida will lose to Georgia, count it.
AJ Green will make a Heisman case on Saturday.
So I've got to bring it up. I "counted" it but did you count the points agianst Georgia!:hehe:
Hey you were half right someone gave a Heisman performance but it was Tebow with 4 touchdowns 2 in the air and 2 on the ground while he beat the great Herchel Walkers old record in the SEC of Rushing touchdowns. Don't bring up playoff rushes because Tebow will truly beat him by the end of the year.
Excel
11-02-2009, 02:36 PM
AJ Green is the best receiving prospect in a decade at the moment. A combo of elite ball skills (think Larry Fitz, Dez Bryant, Roy Williams) and elite athleticism (Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson) with an emphasis on ball skills, and there hasnt been one of these guys in college since Randy Moss, though should-be #1 Alabama's Julio Jones falls into the same categorty.
Yall should be checking in on him every week, because we are going to be hearing his name A LOT on Sundays in the coming years and seeing a lot of his jersey's. Any team he is on, to be honest, should win, because he is borderline unstoppable. He is the ultra rare receiver who doesnt have to be open to make the catch (as he actually showed on Saturday). Even if he is covered deep, he is Moss-esque with jump balls because pound for pound he is obnoxiously strong, and can post up on defenders who he cannot beat, and make the catch anyway. Its unfathomable that a team with a guy who can od it as consistently as Green does loses like that. They lost because they were pretty much ignoring him early in the game.
Immortalfire
11-02-2009, 02:56 PM
Coach Richt prior to the 3rd quarter, told Tracy Wolfson that they needed to use AJ more.
So why didn't we freakin DO IT??! What the hell :doh:
Excel
11-02-2009, 03:22 PM
The Cbs on him are both sub 5'11, and obviously cant jump with him. They should have been doing this:
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all day (and it s what I, and I am sure many others, expected to see). They should be throwing it to him other play, doesn't anybody remember Randy in college?
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Richt needed to go up to Cox and say literally "Forget everyone else, throw it to AJ!".
Arc-Light
11-02-2009, 11:05 PM
Florida’s punishment of Spikes doesn’t fit crime
Dan Wetzel
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Eye-gouging is considered such a foul, filthy act that it’s banned by even our most blatantly combative exercises, including mixed martial arts and pro wrestling.
Sheriff Urban Meyer of the Gainesville PD isn’t as concerned, apparently.
Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes was caught on film purposefully jamming his fingers through the facemask of Georgia running back Washaun Ealey on Saturday in an effort to rip at Ealey’s eyes.
It was about as ugly and unbecoming of a play as there is in football.
For the act, Meyer will bench his star linebacker for the first half of the Gators’ game against Vanderbilt.
Repeat: one half. That penalty isn’t a joke, although the man dishing it out is acting like one.
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There is almost no excuse for Spikes’ conduct. None. It was a dirty play and one with serious ramifications. There’s a reason violently poking your fingers at someone’s eye is a zero tolerance offense. The other guy can go blind. He has no ability to protect himself.
Football is an emotional, violent pursuit and acts like this happen more than the camera catches. “I don’t think that we did anything in that game that they didn’t do,” quarterback Tim Tebow told reporters.
That’s the excuse of a child though. The other-guy-does-it-too is never a justifiable defense. It wouldn’t even matter if Ealey had provoked him (the two had been jawing prior to the incident).
Spikes is the one who got caught.
Meyer ought to be man enough to know this, which is why his decision to dole out such a light punishment is more pathetic than Spikes’ original sin.
UF athletic director Jeremy Foley or SEC commissioner Mike Slive should’ve stepped in and issued a real suspension.
“I don’t condone that,” Meyer told reporters Monday of Spikes’ play.
Gee, really, you don’t condone it?
“We’re going to suspend Brandon for the first half of the Vanderbilt game,” Meyer said. “I talked to him, that’s not who he is. I love Brandon Spikes, the team does. We’re going to move on. He has our full support.”
Florida is begging for an adult to lead them. Meyer isn’t it when it comes to player conduct. He may be a heck of a football coach, great recruiter, perhaps even devout family man and charitable person.
It doesn’t change the fact this was a craven decision.
This is a sport, unfortunately, where you don’t need to run a program the right way to earn massive fame, fortune and support though. A large proportion of Gator fans wouldn’t care if Ealey’s eye had been damaged. It’s like that with every college team.
For too many fans it’s just about winning games. They’ll pretend Meyer is doing it the right way whether he is or not. They’ll justify Spikes’ act and the light penalty somehow.
Meyer and Foley know that. They know football runs the school and, as such, no one who runs the school will mess with football. So they’ll do as they wish and pretend it’s no big deal.
The fans will cheer anyway. The checks will clear regardless. Spikes may even have another 10-tackle, pick-six afternoon like he did against Georgia.
There ought to be more though. Dirty plays are dirty plays. Meyer may be correct that this act isn’t who Spikes is. Fine. No one is saying he’s a monster. Sitting him for a couple of games isn’t disproportionate punishment though.
A lesson needs to be taught. A standard should be upheld. Some discipline has to be displayed – both to those inside and outside the program.
The University of Florida should care about more than the pursuit of a glass football trophy.
This is about winning games by any means necessary, it’s about justifying and enabling out-of-control play, it’s about brushing off concerns about the safety of opposing players.
The timing is interesting that on the same day UF was giving a wrist slap for an eye gouge, Oregon was set to reinstate running back LeGarrette Blount for his sucker punch of a Boise State player and attempted charge at fans back in September.
It took less than 24 hours for Oregon to suspend Blount for the entire season back then.
“There is no place on the field of play for that kind of action, and his conduct was reprehensible,” school president Richard Lariviere said in a statement. “We do not and will not tolerate the actions that were taken by our player. Oregon’s loyal fans expect and deserve better.”
The initial punishment was too severe – you always want to allow for a player to rectify his mistake. Allowing Blount to work his way back to the team through contrition, sacrifice and action was the proper idea. In the end, the running back will have sat seven games.
It’s difficult to argue that Oregon didn’t act decisively and then properly.
Florida just acted in its best football interests. One of its team captains went after an opposing player with the dirtiest of plays.
He’ll sit out a half.
It’s all about blind ambition in Gainesville.
WOW...a whole half......stay classy Urban.
Immortalfire
11-02-2009, 11:12 PM
Suspended for the first half...against Vandy. Shows me that if Meyer could have gotten away with doing nothing, he would have.
Arc-Light
11-02-2009, 11:31 PM
Suspended for the first half...against Vandy. Shows me that if Meyer could have gotten away with doing nothing, he would have.
And i just found out that the SEC went along with the punishment.....that is pathetic...the Big ten has suspended players a full game for less.
rdh007
11-03-2009, 06:48 AM
And i just found out that the SEC went alone with the punishment.....that is pathetic...the Big ten has suspended players a full game for less.
I write this as a lifetime Meeeeeeeechigan (and therefore Big Ten) fan:
Why not suspend a Big Ten player for a full game, no one's left playing football around here anyway...
RAMORE
11-04-2009, 12:15 PM
I think Urban should have not suspended as opposed to a half that just looks silly. Let's be honest though it happens in every pile and the guy he was doing it too said he shouldn't be suspended.
Parker Wayne
11-04-2009, 04:25 PM
I think Urban should have not suspended as opposed to a half that just looks silly. Let's be honest though it happens in every pile and the guy he was doing it too said he shouldn't be suspended.
Are you kidding me? I don't care how much it happens it's not football. It doesn't matter if it happens in every pile or not eye-gouging can put someone's eye out. Spikes should've gotten worse.
omid17
11-04-2009, 05:38 PM
Spikes a ****in *****
Immortalfire
11-04-2009, 08:37 PM
Spikes suspended for the whole game Sat...http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-florida-spikessuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns
It was “weighing heavy on his heart,” :lmao:
Kelly
11-04-2009, 08:59 PM
I don't care.....if it makes them play like they did.....wear the damn black uniforms EVERY game....
omid17
11-04-2009, 09:03 PM
Spikes suspended for the whole game Sat...http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-t25-florida-spikessuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns
It was “weighing heavy on his heart,” :lmao:my ass
Darthphere
11-05-2009, 10:23 AM
What I like is, he's not being suspended the whole game because it's right, but because he doesn't want to be a distraction. What a joke.
RAMORE
11-05-2009, 11:50 AM
Haters it happens constantly but this is the youtube generation and they are #1 so why not make a big deal right :rolleyes:
NotFadeAway
11-05-2009, 11:55 AM
The Bearcats are on fire.
Hells yeah!
Who Dey say gonna beat them Bearcats!!!!
I hope the Cats destroy the Huskies this week as revenge for last season. After that, the only game I'm worried about is Pitt, just because there bigger and more powerful. WVU doesn't scare me a bit.
Also, I know Tony Pike is coming back and he will rightfully get his job back, but I would work Zach Colloras into the gameplan. I personally like Colloras more than Pike, he has a stronger arm and he is a true running threat, I dare say the biggest running threat the Bearcats have. I'd line Pike and Colloras up side by side for 20-25 plays a game from here on out.
The Bearcats downfall might be there lack of a running game. They need to get a physical back and some bigger O-Lineman.
NotFadeAway
11-05-2009, 11:57 AM
Unmotivated, Uninspired, Uncoordinated. Words I never thought I'd hear myself saying when describing Georgia football.
:facepalm:
It might be time for Richt to go. I've never been impressed with him as a HC.
Immortalfire
11-05-2009, 12:09 PM
Never? I fail to see how.80+ wins in 8 years, 32-6 in road games, 34-3 against non-conference teams, 48-19 against the SEC, 2 SEC titles, 2 Sugar Bowl wins.
He's not the problem. Our coordinators are not doing the right things.
BlackLantern
11-05-2009, 12:10 PM
Hells yeah!
Who Dey say gonna beat them Bearcats!!!!
I hope the Cats destroy the Huskies this week as revenge for last season. After that, the only game I'm worried about is Pitt, just because there bigger and more powerful. WVU doesn't scare me a bit.
Also, I know Tony Pike is coming back and he will rightfully get his job back, but I would work Zach Colloras into the gameplan. I personally like Colloras more than Pike, he has a stronger arm and he is a true running threat, I dare say the biggest running threat the Bearcats have. I'd line Pike and Colloras up side by side for 20-25 plays a game from here on out.
The Bearcats downfall might be there lack of a running game. They need to get a physical back and some bigger O-Lineman.
so you just want to pick on little ol' Connecticut, huh? make you feel like a big man to pick on a small school?
Arc-Light
11-05-2009, 09:50 PM
Haters it happens constantly but this is the youtube generation and they are #1 so why not make a big deal right :rolleyes:
Yeah you are absolutely right i see players Eye-gouging each other all the time...:whatever:
FaT_tONle
11-05-2009, 10:00 PM
I am banking on a Bama loss this weekend and a Fla loss in the championship game. Getting a bit tired of an SEC team in it every year. I'd rather see new blood in there. Iowa Cinnci would be pretty good should Texas lose too. I hate the Big 10, but I don't mind Iowa. Worst case nightmare for the BCS is Cinci, Iowa, Texas undefeated ranks 3, 2, 1 respectively. If I am the third team I boycott my BCS game until there is a playoff.
Arc-Light
11-05-2009, 10:32 PM
I am banking on a Bama loss this weekend and a Fla loss in the championship game. Getting a bit tired of an SEC team in it every year. I'd rather see new blood in there. Iowa Cinnci would be pretty good should Texas lose too. I hate the Big 10, but I don't mind Iowa. Worst case nightmare for the BCS is Cinci, Iowa, Texas undefeated ranks 3, 2, 1 respectively. If I am the third team I boycott my BCS game until there is a playoff.
I want TCU and Boise in the champ game....
Mister J
11-05-2009, 10:33 PM
I want chaos, preferably with a big name program being left out of the mix.
It won't actually accomplish anything, but it'll make me smile.
BlackLantern
11-06-2009, 06:47 AM
I am banking on a Bama loss this weekend and a Fla loss in the championship game. Getting a bit tired of an SEC team in it every year. I'd rather see new blood in there. Iowa Cinnci would be pretty good should Texas lose too. I hate the Big 10, but I don't mind Iowa. Worst case nightmare for the BCS is Cinci, Iowa, Texas undefeated ranks 3, 2, 1 respectively. If I am the third team I boycott my BCS game until there is a playoff.
then those other teams should get better
BlackLantern
11-06-2009, 06:48 AM
Yeah you are absolutely right i see players Eye-gouging each other all the time...:whatever:
happens a lot more than you think...from about middle school on up
Mister J
11-06-2009, 10:25 AM
There are horror stories emanating from those piles. Usually involving the twisting of someone's jimmies. :nono:
RAMORE
11-06-2009, 10:48 AM
Exactly you can poke at my eye just leave my junk alone :eek: :D
BlackLantern
11-06-2009, 01:26 PM
I know there is a lot of anti-Tebow sentiment but stories like this cancel all that out
http://jacksonville.com/news/columnists/mark_woods/2009-11-04/story/you_dont_have_to_be_a_tebow_fan_to_appreciate_this _story
Immortalfire
11-06-2009, 02:02 PM
The NCAA will probably fine him for autographing a ball without permission. lol
Mister J
11-06-2009, 08:45 PM
That's a great story. Good to read stuff like that as opposed to the usual type of garbage that makes headlines.
BlackLantern
11-06-2009, 08:52 PM
quite so...I grow tired of reading about athletes getting arrested for this or in trouble for that year after year
Arc-Light
11-06-2009, 09:21 PM
happens a lot more than you think...from about middle school on up
It never happened when i played.....
Darthphere
11-06-2009, 09:22 PM
I would love for there to be some huge implosion at the end by all the teams at the top and the Championship game ends up being like Cincinatti vs Boise State.
BlackLantern
11-06-2009, 09:24 PM
It never happened when i played.....
because nobody cared enough there....:oldrazz:
did anyone see that women college soccer thing on ESPN, that girl was rough
Arc-Light
11-06-2009, 11:37 PM
because nobody cared enough there....:oldrazz:
did anyone see that women college soccer thing on ESPN, that girl was rough
Yeah she ahhh got a little carried away there....the pull-the-hair throw down was nice.
NotFadeAway
11-07-2009, 12:05 AM
Never? I fail to see how.80+ wins in 8 years, 32-6 in road games, 34-3 against non-conference teams, 48-19 against the SEC, 2 SEC titles, 2 Sugar Bowl wins.
He's not the problem. Our coordinators are not doing the right things.
Maybe I'm still upset that I picked Georgia to win the national title last season and they didn't, but like John Cooper with the Buckeyes, Richt has yet to win a national title despite his impressive overall record.
NotFadeAway
11-07-2009, 12:09 AM
so you just want to pick on little ol' Connecticut, huh? make you feel like a big man to pick on a small school?
Umm, UConn embarrased Cincy last season, and the Huskies have played there two sympathy games and not walked away with a victory.
NotFadeAway
11-07-2009, 12:19 AM
I am banking on a Bama loss this weekend and a Fla loss in the championship game. Getting a bit tired of an SEC team in it every year. I'd rather see new blood in there. Iowa Cinnci would be pretty good should Texas lose too. I hate the Big 10, but I don't mind Iowa. Worst case nightmare for the BCS is Cinci, Iowa, Texas undefeated ranks 3, 2, 1 respectively. If I am the third team I boycott my BCS game until there is a playoff.
The SEC isn't the problem. It deserves the praise, Florida and Alabama are simply that good, and LSU is also a powerhouse. In most years, Georgia can compete with anyone, Tenn has a rich history and despite Kiffin being an ass they have began making a comeback, Arkansas has Bobby Petrino and Ryan Mallet, South Carolina could compete atleast with there defense, etc. Don't be fooled by the tight wins Florida and Alabama have had lately, that stuff happens in football.
It's the Big 12 that I'm tired of. That conference does not deserve the praise it recieves, as far as the style of play goes the conference is on the softer side, which is why Big 12 teams always get beat up physically in bowl games, with the exception of Texas against USC. They should have lost to the Buckeyes last year and they got lucky that Terrell Pryor and the OSU o-line suck. As a whole, I would take the Big Ten or Pac-10 over the Big 12. Iowa or Oregon would defeat Texas, I'm sure of it. The only reason the Big 12 gets more respect nationally is because they are sexy statistically because the teams run stat friendly system offenses.
Immortalfire
11-07-2009, 06:48 AM
I would love for there to be some huge implosion at the end by all the teams at the top and the Championship game ends up being like Cincinatti vs Boise State. Yes :up:
Maybe I'm still upset that I picked Georgia to win the national title last season and they didn't, but like John Cooper with the Buckeyes, Richt has yet to win a national title despite his impressive overall record.
Well, that's not entirely his fault. Dawgs have had 2 opportunities under Richt (2002 & 2005), and the system denied us both times.
P.S. It's gameday!!
Ohio State and Penn State today..hmmm...
El_Citrus
11-07-2009, 07:13 AM
Bama/LSU, Penn State/Ohio State; it ought to be a good day for college football. I want to pick an upset, but I just don't think a major one will happen today. If one does happen, I think it will be UConn against Cincy. I think Bama will want to crush LSU to try and upstage Florida, so the game could be close, but Bama will bring everything they have to this one.
Immortalfire
11-07-2009, 07:19 AM
I'll go with Bama, LSU hasn't impressed me at all this year.
El_Citrus
11-07-2009, 09:13 AM
Gotta love College Gameday and ESPN stats sometimes. They showed a graphic listing the 7 remaining unbeaten teams: Florida, Alabama, Texas, Boise State, TCU, Cincinnati, and Iowa, and then listed their indiviual percentage chances of finishing undefeated. I thought it was interesting seeing Iowa listed last at 31%, but then I saw the fine print stat at the bottom that said "Probability of all 7 teams finishing undefeated: 2.2%"......:lmao:
Dr. Evil
11-07-2009, 11:32 AM
I think everytime the NCAA is asked if there will be a playoff system, this infamous soundbite from a former NFL Head Coach should be played:
p3-eavMSBnk
FaT_tONle
11-07-2009, 11:44 AM
I don't know why people are talking about Penn St. Ohio St like its a huge game. Both schools are out of the NC picture. Bama LSU is clearly the game to watch here.
The SEC isn't the problem. It deserves the praise, Florida and Alabama are simply that good, and LSU is also a powerhouse. In most years, Georgia can compete with anyone, Tenn has a rich history and despite Kiffin being an ass they have began making a comeback, Arkansas has Bobby Petrino and Ryan Mallet, South Carolina could compete atleast with there defense, etc. Don't be fooled by the tight wins Florida and Alabama have had lately, that stuff happens in football.
It's the Big 12 that I'm tired of. That conference does not deserve the praise it recieves, as far as the style of play goes the conference is on the softer side, which is why Big 12 teams always get beat up physically in bowl games, with the exception of Texas against USC. They should have lost to the Buckeyes last year and they got lucky that Terrell Pryor and the OSU o-line suck. As a whole, I would take the Big Ten or Pac-10 over the Big 12. Iowa or Oregon would defeat Texas, I'm sure of it. The only reason the Big 12 gets more respect nationally is because they are sexy statistically because the teams run stat friendly system offenses.
I'm not knocking the SEC. I am pulling for Bama/LSU because I hate FLA. but I don't think a one loss SEC will get in this year, and I am all for that even though a one loss SEC is still a top 2-3 team in the country. It would be fun seeing different schools get in. And I know the Big 12 has been overrated, but Texas is a clear number two lets be real. Maybe if Cinci scheduled some teams that can actually play outside the Big East they might have been able to jump to 2. Iowa has been terrible and they are barely squeaking by bad football teams. I think it should be Texas, Cincinnati, Iowa, SEC one loss, Pac-10 one loss.
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