Batman: The Brave and the Bold or The Batman?

[Ziggyman]

Which show is better...Personally, I prefer TBATB even though I haven't seen a lot of either show. I think all/most of us can agree that TAS will be the best Batman cartoon...But who wins second...?

[Venom.X]

The Batman. I hated that show, then Brave/Bold premiered, and now...I know what bad is.

Yes, I know BMBB is not aimed towards me. That's what makes this decision one sided.

[Temple Fugate]

the batman

i like BATB, but its just so campy

[GamerSlyRatchet]

Arghh... I like both shows, but I'll give it to Brave and the Bold. This show just has better writing, and is even less censored than The Batman. Then again, most of the people are from this show, so they probably learned their lesson.

[Drz]

Brave and the Bold. Only good thing from The Batman was the future episode where they make a tribute to The Dark Knight Returns.

[spiderfan970]

Brave and the Bold continues to keep me coming back every week! The Batman was entertaining in the later seasons...but just not as appealing to me. Brave and the Bold knows that it's a kid's cartoon show and celebrates it with every episode.

[ironman29758]

The Batman sure they left the comics sometimes like the Joker legs and hair and Mr.Freeze but Batman Brave and Bold got good points...froget it, come to me later.

[KBX]

Brave and the Bold.

Big reason I didn't get into The Batman, first couple of seasons was going on the same time JLU was on. I remember I was annoyed by it since bat embargo was on and JL couldn't use any of his villains.

[Daredevil_2003]

This is a tough one, for me. The Batman is definitely closer in tone and setting to 'my Batman', but BATB is just better written. In a perfect world TB would have had better scripts and would easily be the better of the two. Unlike most, I like the art style and designs, the animation was very fluid, and I liked most of the voice actors. Problem is only maybe 20 of the episodes are good. Out of 5 full length seasons that's nothing to write home about. They're only decent, if we're using BTAS as a benchmark.

B&TB is not my cup of tea but it's doing a better job at what it set out to do then TB did, so with that said I will hand the victory to B&TB, here.

[ironman29758]

why didn't they just combne the Batman tv show, Batman Brave and the bold and DCAU Batman and that would be the perfect tv show

[Jochimus]

B&TB for me, hands down. Mostly 'cuz it's NOT a watered-down, too-soon retread of B:TAS that can barely hold my attention for two episodes.

[Mistah K88]

BatB for me as well... This show does NOT try to be BTAS (because believe me...it won't be topped). The Batman happened to come on during the run of Justice League and then the Bat Embargo showed up. It stings more when you hear that they were pitching around Poison Ivy stories, Scarecrow was going to take Dr Destiny's place, and seeing Hugo Stange being part of Cadmus to never show up again. Also, The Batman was poorly written, there were some good episodes sure, but it didn't really start to get good until season 4 and then in season 5 they made it Batman with guest hero of the week, which I didn't care for...and plus, they screwed up the Penguin (one of my favorite villains).

[GamerSlyRatchet]

BatB for me as well... This show does NOT try to be BTAS (because believe me...it won't be topped). The Batman happened to come on during the run of Justice League and then the Bat Embargo showed up. It stings more when you hear that they were pitching around Poison Ivy stories, Scarecrow was going to take Dr Destiny's place, and seeing Hugo Stange being part of Cadmus to never show up again. Also, The Batman was poorly written, there were some good episodes sure, but it didn't really start to get good until season 4 and then in season 5 they made it Batman with guest hero of the week, which I didn't care for...and plus, they screwed up the Penguin (one of my favorite villains).

OK, let me clarify some things:

The rejected Poison Ivy scripts were a decision made by Bruce Timm himself, before there was even an embargo, to give more focus to the League itself.

Scarecrow taking Destiny's place is an unfounded rumor. Again, Destiny showed up before there was even an embargo, while Joker and the other villains showed up in the series.

As for Strange, why do people get angry about that? So, having a minor cameo in the Cadmus arc is much better than having him in another show as a well-developed character, and main threat? :huh:

[escobar2248]

I really enjoy watching BATB with my 2 year old. I've seen every BTAS and The Batman episode and I can say that BATB does have it's campy moments, but I believe that they are put there on purpose from the writers.

[DavidTyler]

In My Opinion - Brave and Bold is pure cosmic drek.

The Batman, while not as engaging as Batman: The Animated Series, was a far better show and even it's campy moments were no where near as off the chart as B&B.

Watch it if you want but I'm hoping it quietly goes away.

[Venom.X]

I really enjoy watching BATB with my 2 year old. I've seen every BTAS and The Batman episode and I can say that BATB does have it's campy moments, but I believe that they are put there on purpose from the writers.

They were put in on purpose by the writers. That's the route the show is going. Old school Batman. The Brave & the Bold comics were old school. Some fans like this direction, others don't.

[Mistah K88]

OK, let me clarify some things:

The rejected Poison Ivy scripts were a decision made by Bruce Timm himself, before there was even an embargo, to give more focus to the League itself.

Scarecrow taking Destiny's place is an unfounded rumor. Again, Destiny showed up before there was even an embargo, while Joker and the other villains showed up in the series.

As for Strange, why do people get angry about that? So, having a mishow as a well-developed character, and main threat? :huh:nor cameo in the Cadmus arc is much better than having him in another

Well, I knew about the Ivy thing, they wanted to stay away from using already established villains (that is why they were only in the script stage). They sure did rely on Superman villains in the end though... Had the Bat Embargo not existed (heck even The Batman couldn't use Scarecrow because of it [Batman Begins]) we may have seen something.

The Destiny thing, I did not know...It seemed like some kind of Scarecrow-ish idea though.

As for Strange, I do want to give credit for making Strange a threat (even though one of his episodes was originally a Scarecrow episode [does this guy get the shaft or what?]) However, we don't really know what he was going to do in the Cadmus arc...well atleast we got Dr Milo...

[DavidTyler]

They were put in on purpose by the writers. That's the route the show is going. Old school Batman. The Brave & the Bold comics were old school. Some fans like this direction, others don't.

You must have been reading some different Brave & Bold comix because the ones I read were drawn by the likes of Jim Aparo and Nick Cardy and weren't the least bit campy.

[Daredevil_2003]

^ I don't know why they didn't go for something closer to that. Both in art style and tone.

You don't have to have such goofy art and hearty helping of humor/camp/whatever to make kids entertainment.

I would cream my jeans for this show if it were more like the actual comics I can remember taking a peak at (can't say I was a regular reader as I wasn't born during the heyday of this series). Basically the cartoon seems more like the concept of the comic with the style of the Adam West series. Which I like but I like it more where it belongs, in that TV show.

Can you imagine Aparo or Adams inspired art in animation? Man...do want. :grin:

[Two-Face=Badass]

I'm not getting where these ideas of "camp" and "Adam West-like" are coming from, and I love camp and Adam West a lot. This show is not a direct satire and spoof of the genre/subject matter, which is what camp is. The creators of this show love the mythos and B:TBATB upholds that respect. It harkens back to the days of a funner, more globe trotting Batman, which is something I think is necessary at the moment, especially for those fans who seem so embarrased about Batman that they'll only take him in "dark with a side order of murder" helpings. I'm not saying this is the case with all fans, or with people posting before me, but I get sick with a lot of the newcomer teenage crowd angsting over how Batman should be dark at all times, to the point where it seems they get aroused by permanent bleakness.

[Daredevil_2003]

I'm not getting where these ideas of "camp" and "Adam West-like" are coming from, and I love camp and Adam West a lot. This show is not a direct satire and spoof of the genre/subject matter, which is what camp is. The creators of this show love the mythos and B:TBATB upholds that respect. It harkens back to the days of a funner, more globe trotting Batman, which is something I think is necessary at the moment, especially for those fans who seem so embarrased about Batman that they'll only take him in "dark with a side order of murder" helpings. I'm not saying this is the case with all fans, or with people posting before me, but I get sick with a lot of the newcomer teenage crowd angsting over how Batman should be dark at all times, to the point where it seems they get aroused by permanent bleakness.*sigh* 1: look in a dictionary, camp does not have to be self-parody, it's like a cold, there's more than one symptom.

2: This show is silly. I admit it's done well but it's still campy and goofy and that's still the biggest thing holding it back.

3: The comics being reference are not like this show or the 'dark with a side of murder' Batman (:whatever:) you mentioned. It's like they smooshed the comics with Mayor West's version. Doing a disservice to both, IMHO.

4: Way to generalize the people that like the edgier, more serious (and in BTAS/Nolan's case, better) Batman as angsty, hormonal, probably emo teenagers. I know you don't mean everybody, but that's a ******** generalization.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I wouldn't mind a tongue in cheek modern animated version of the 60's show, or a adaptation of the wild but still played straight adventures of the 70's team up comic, I just don't want their bastard love-child. Like I said, detracts from both, IMO.

[SHADOWBAT69]

Said it once, and Ill say it again. You dont like it, stop watching it.

[The_Riddler?]

So many of you are still arguing the same old, tired points. This show was created to counter all the grim and dark thats been done to death over the last so many years. It is being done by a group of creators who grew up on the Adam West series, and thats what they want to present to the target audience. The title of Brave and the Bold was taken because it is presenting the same format in which the comic was, a team up book. That doesnt mean that they are going to copy the art style as well. Oh, and just in case everyone didnt know this, there are people on this new show that also worked with Timm and Dini as well as Matsuda(sp?) on both BTAS and TB. They all wanted something different, which is something that ALOT of you are dead set against. As stated above, you dont like this, then dont watch it.

[Daredevil_2003]

Said it once, and Ill say it again. You dont like it, stop watching it.Theoretically the same reasoning applies to Batman & Robin. :hehe: But not many like that so the point doesn't come up much.

Look, I've said several times that after giving it more of a chance I do like it now, for what it is.

But that doesn't mean I'm just gonna accept it and have not a negative word to say because the're not gonna do anything about it till it's canceled. Or because you and other's like it wholeheartedly and don't wanna hear any badmouthing of it.

They could have done something better. It didn't have to be a BTAS retread, it didn't have to be the diet coke of the live-action movies, but it could have been better than what they came up with. Which is basically a 20 minute toy commercial with some shining moments and loose connection (really only the concept, IMO) to a 40 year old comic book series that was shelved almost 30 years ago.

So many of you are still arguing the same old, tired points.Just to begin, why are the detracting points old and tired but your blind support is always new and fresh? ;)

This show was created to counter all the grim and dark thats been done to death over the last so many years.See my above posts, not everyone is opposed to something different. I still don't understand why 'for kids' or 'different' has to equal 'intentionally silly and garish', now.

You can still play something straight without it being grim, ya know?

It is being done by a group of creators who grew up on the Adam West series, and thats what they want to present to the target audience. The title of Brave and the Bold was taken because it is presenting the same format in which the comic was, a team up book.Yeah, we know, the combination is the bad part, because both were good (the comic was better) but when you combine them it takes both down.

That doesnt mean that they are going to copy the art style as well. It's just a wish. Those are two of the best artists in comic book history, why wouldn't you wanna copy that? Especially when you're supposedly basing a large part of your work on their stories?

Not to mention that would also be different as we've never had that before. You guys keep harping on different. Well, that's different. This show is not that different, it's just different from the wannabe anime of the last show. It's very similar to Timm, just with a big emphasis on the bright and friendly.

Oh, and just in case everyone didnt know this, there are people on this new show that also worked with Timm and Dini as well as Matsuda(sp?) on both BTAS and TB. They all wanted something different, which is something that ALOT of you are dead set against.Those guys are not gods, but besides that they aren't involved with this series. Just because some underlings of truly great creators make a show doesn't make it more worthy of praise or shielded from critcism.

And, yet again, not everyone is against change. Jeez.

As stated above, you dont like this, then dont watch it.Again, complaints are old and tired but this bs which I see just as often isn't? And no, I will not stop watching. :oldrazz: I enjoy some of the gags so I'll keep viewing when there's nothing better to do. Mainly for those cheap laughs and overall because I'm obsessed with these characters, Batman in particular and am always craving more. I'll still be largely dissapointed, though.

The jokes are the best part of this show, but lemme put it this way. I really enjoyed Aquaman in the last episode. However, his characterization really made me think of Peter Griffin with superpowers. It was funny, but it's not Aquaman when you get down to it. If I want to see a comedy I'll go watch a comedy. If you're gonna do a show like this make it more like the comic it's based off of or do a modern animated Adam West show. Pick one, cause they just don't mesh as smoothly as if you had just taken one concept or the other and ran with it.

I'll say it once more to drive the point home: It's heavily based on someone else's art style that we've already seen for over a decade in animation, and it's a bad fusion of two completely different works from decades ago. The show works, but for Pete's sake it's certainly not that original. And it's not the only way they could have gone.

It's far from the best direction they could have taken, as well, but in the end that one's all opinion, I guess.

[November Rain]

i'm surprised by this, i thought this show was going down well and i thought the batman was universally hated.

:confused:

[thedanmachine]

Ive got to give it to The Batman on this one. Its not that I dont think TBATB is good, its just that Im not really a fan of things that a purposely "retro" which TBATB seems to be.

Also I'm a fan of Batman, Joker and Penguin having a six minute straight anime style fight.

[Superman Prime]

B:TBATB. I still like TB. I defended it years ago, and I'd still defend it now. However, the new series is something I can look forward to consistently, because it's better written, and all around way more fun. TB was admittedly dry much of the time, but still a worthy installation in the animated Batman mythos.

[Evil Twin]

You must have been reading some different Brave & Bold comix because the ones I read were drawn by the likes of Jim Aparo and Nick Cardy and weren't the least bit campy.

You mean like the issue where the Atom animates the body of an electrocuted Batman by jumping around in his brain?

Or the one where terrorists try to thwart Batman and Sgt. Rock by going after Bob Haney and Jim Aparo?

Or the one where Batman sells his soul to Hitler?

Let's not look at the past through rose colored glasses. There was plenty of goofiness in The Brave and the Bold. Before, during, and after Cardy and Aparo.

[deathshead2]

I like The brave and the bold. Mostly cus it knows what it wants to be unlike The Batman. The Batman tried to have camp for kids, yet act like Bruce Timms B:tas. It sadl couldn't balance it. Brave and the bold wants to be silly and fun and sticks with it.

[Galvanize]

I cant really compare BTBATB to The Batman over all because its a whole 5 seasons of The Batman vs the first season of BTBATB.
But going off both first seasons I much prefer BTBATB. Everything about Bold I just find better than The Batman, from the animation to the writing.
Both shows have surprised me in different ways. I went into The Batman expecting something special and was quickly turned off by many aspects of the show.
With The Brave and The Bold I was actually dreading it. Interestingly enough though its turned out to be a really fun ride that im completely enjoying week in and out.

[3dman27]

Brave and the Bold continues to keep me coming back every week! The Batman was entertaining in the later seasons...but just not as appealing to me. Brave and the Bold knows that it's a kid's cartoon show and celebrates it with every episode.

i feel the same way i just couildnt get into the barman but brave and bold yeah

[Duskbyday]

Hhhhmmmm.... that's kinda hard. They both show diffirent aspects of the Dark Knight. One is more fun and entertaining, the other has some nice comic-inspired episodes. I wish The Batman had better storylines and character development, but I want to see more of Bat's supporting characters and him have heroes in his territory in Brave and Bold.

[CaptainClown]

I like The brave and the bold. Mostly cus it knows what it wants to be unlike The Batman. The Batman tried to have camp for kids, yet act like Bruce Timms B:tas. It sadl couldn't balance it. Brave and the bold wants to be silly and fun and sticks with it.
qft

[Sawyer]

Brave and the Bold. You know why? It's trying to do something different, and it's succeeding in doing so. The Batman pretty much tried to do everthing BTAS did, except less good.

[Aramax]

Make mine Brave and Bold!TB was insipid and poorly done,I think I saw 2 or3 eps tops and had trouble standing that. When the new one started,
I was a little unsure of the style but by the 3rd ep I was hooked.
(Welcome to me happy welcome to me!)

[CLARKY]

Which show is better...Personally, I prefer TBATB even though I haven't seen a lot of either show. I think all/most of us can agree that TAS will be the best Batman cartoon...But who wins second...?
I think your question mix 2 things : favorite and best.
My favorite is The Batman, even if most of the stuff was bad and poor, some things were nice, some episode were good (a few) and in general, it was a good approach of batman, dark but a little more light and humorous. I'm for this kind of Batman.

Then, I think batman tBatB is better, is a better show. The writing is better, (not always) but through the childish stuff, I find that most episodes have a solid story. the animation is quite good and the design are cool for most. So from an "objectiv" point of view, I think the Brave and the Bold is a fart better cartoon than The Batman. But I think they take the camp tooooooo far ! I think some things in the camp can be included in a more sober version of Batman. It is not the case with tBatB. That is why I preferred The Batman.

[Mister J]

The Batman was nothing special outside of Season 4, which admittedly was dman good. Outside of that, I found it uneven and, as others have said, lacking a direction on where it wanted to go or what it wanted to be. It was far a bad show, but it could have been better in a number of areas.

I appreciate Brave/Bold for being fresh. The lighter tone doesn't bother me; it's the same tone that I came to originally know Batman in. I like that it's fun and a well-executed show. Frankly, I enjoy the zaniness contrasted against Batman's deadpan nature and reinforcement of some dynamics that we already know. Coming out of the the gate this strongly, I'm keen to see how the producers up their game as the run continues.

I've already gotten more entertainment value out of the current show, than the one that preceded it. However, I love that the character is dynamic enough to warrant a continued presence, regardless of the styling.

[Nivek]

Honestly, Brave and the Bold, and it comes down to how the Joker and Robin are portrayed.

[3dman27]

Honestly, Brave and the Bold, and it comes down to how the Joker and Robin are portrayed.

we've seen joker but not the teen wonder

[Ziggyman]

Has Robin been shown on the show yet?

[Mister J]

Robin's debut ep is tonight.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=323769

[Two-Face=Badass]

I thought it was Batmite? Damn.

[Ziggyman]

Man...In Canada,we are so behind...

[Mister J]

I thought it was Batmite? Damn.
Next Friday.

[Shocker 9000]

Brave and The Bold is better than The Batman by far. For many reasons, but one little one comes to mind for me.

Punches. BATB features full on puches to the face, that actually connect. Unlike The Batman which usually just showed Batman pulling his fist back, then cut to a villain/thug looking dazed and or falling down. It always drove me crazy, it was a stupid way to censor violence, kids can put two and two together and figure out how a punch works.

I busted out laughing the first time I saw Batman punch Baby-Face on this show. Sure Baby-Face is some sort of freak. But in theory we saw BATMAN PUNCH A BABY! Which makes this show the clear victor to the second place spot of Best Animated Batman Show, IMO.

Only good things that ever came out of The Batman was the straight to DVD movie, Batman vs. Dracula. That was actually pretty tight, especially Joker as a Vampire.

[GamerSlyRatchet]

As much as I defend The Batman whenever it deserves defending, one of the things that kinda frustrated me about it is that it actually had good concepts, but they were, for the most part, wasted.

Take Poison Ivy, for instance. Rather than going the easy route and make her a psycho seductress, they tried to go a different route by making her Barbara Gordon's best friend, while still respecting the source material as an eco-terrorist, however, after her introduction, her relationship with Barbara is never adressed again, and is wastefully used as a minor villainess.

Maxie Zeus is another example. His background re-written as a businessman, politician, and candidate for Gotham's mayor gone mad was brilliant. Rather than a joke, he was a big threat (so big, I'll forget the fact he borrowed more from Roman culture rather than Greek.:cwink:). However, Maxie is used up in one episode, and we never saw him again besides a minor cameo.

If I could have done it, I would have introduced Maxie in the third season as Gotham's new mayor when Grange retired. Zeus would have been involved in illegal activities, and Batman would be investigating and threatening to stop him. Despite Gordon's insistence, Maxie would turn the police and the entire city against Batman, as the pressure and stress of being outed starts to slowly drive him insane. After the FBI tries to arrest him near the end of the season, Maxie would have unleashed his attack on Gotham, leaving Hamilton Hill as the new mayor.

So, that's my rant. Enjoy.:yay:

[GamerSlyRatchet]

I busted out laughing the first time I saw Batman punch Baby-Face on this show. Sure Baby-Face is some sort of freak. But in theory we saw BATMAN PUNCH A BABY! Which makes this show the clear victor to the second place spot of Best Animated Batman Show, IMO.

In one episode of The Batman, "Fleurs De Mal", he punches an old lady in the face! No joke!

Actually, it was a mutant plant lady, but still.

[Shocker 9000]

I agree with you. There were some good episodes with The Batman. But overall it was just a lot of wasted oppurtunity. Like, whatever happened to that female detective that was in the first two seasons? After they introduced Gordon, they just totally forgot about her. Not that I was attached to her or anything, but it's just an example of the show's laziness.

[Shocker 9000]

In one episode of The Batman, "Fleurs De Mal", he punches an old lady in the face! No joke!

Actually, it was a mutant plant lady, but still.

Ah, yes. I saw that one, and I recall laughing then too. BATB has also featured Batman hitting a woman (A woman with a man-face. Mrs. Manface), they were both inside of robots though. But the line: "The hammer of justice is unisex" was sooooooo classic.

[Shaolin Kenobi]

I suppose I need to give BATB another chance. I only watched a few minutes of one episode and was really put off by Batman's laughable inner dialogue. However, support for the show is pretty strong. Perhaps I missed the point.

[Shaolin Kenobi]

I suppose I need to give BATB another chance. I only watched a few minutes of one episode and was really put off by Batman's laughable inner dialogue. However, support for the show is pretty strong. Perhaps I missed the point.

I watched an episode start to finish last night. I liked it a lot... I recant my prior opinion... I think I just needed to better understand the direction of the show.

[Drz]

Indeed, glad your liking it alot now. =)

[Shaolin Kenobi]

ok... after several episodes... I am ready to rule. BATB is way better than The Batman. It's simply more enjoyable in general. In addition... with the 3 or 4 episodes I have seen... there is no messing around with boring Bruce Wayne scenes... It's all Batman all the time. I'm loving it.. I'm so glad I checked out this thread.

[CaptainClown]

It is so much fun I feel like a kid when I watch it.

[blackkeno]

I strongly prefer TB to BATB. Of course, TAS is my favorate. I have watched all TB episodes two or three times, but I've only seen a couple episodes of BATB.

Although it took some getting used to, what I like most about TB is the new approach it takes, broadly within the established Batman mythology. This is particularly evident in the villains. The Joker looks especially crazy, and behaves accordingly. The Penguin looks more threatening with his sharpened teeth, not to mention his knife fingered geishas. Bane looks and acts more dangerous in TB than anything else I've seen, with the possible exception of Mystery of the Batwoman.

I think the plots were very well developed in most episodes and more importantly across the series.

SPOILERS
Examples include how Batman's best friend is a police detective who eventually becomes Clayface. The way the Solomon Grundy in introduced. The way Dr. Strange goes from running Arkham to one of it's inmates.

I also like the way the series developed. Batman began completely at odds with the police. It wasn't really until Gordon arrives in the third season that he really has a working relationship with them. Likewise, he begins working solo, in season three he gradually starts to work with Batgirl, season 4 Robin, season 5 a different superhero on each episode.

There are a lot of other little things I like about TB. I never liked anime before, but I like how it gives a real modern look to TB. I like the theme song, both the early one ending with the whisper "The Batman..." and the later one which incorporated the famous theme from the 60s. I like the way Adam West voiced Mayor Grange. I even liked the way he is so frequently referred to as "the Batman" rather than "Batman."

I must admit, I was taken aback by so many comments favoring BATB over TB. Hopefully the comments have changed my perspective so that I can have a better appreciation of the current series.

[CConn]

Batman the Brave and the Bold is probably one of the best new comic series in the past five years, if not more. It's very rare to see a show so seamlessly marry campy fare for kids with actual intelligent writing and strong understanding of the source material. This is Silver Age Batman refined, and refined spectacularly to give us a show that's as funny to adult fans as it is to kids, while still portraying the DC mythos in pretty faithful ways.

[Ziggyman]

Okay...I get it's suppose to be campy and alll but BATB just doesn't work for me...One aspect I do love though is the ruvalry between Batsy and Green Arrow but besides that...there's nothing for me in the show...I've recently been watching both and I find myself gravitating more towards The Batman so...

[CConn]

Every episode of BATB is filled with classic DC characters and storylines - most of which have never even been dared touched upon by anyone else in animation or film. It gives exposure to so many under-appreciated and under-exposed elements of the DC Universe. Yeah, it's campy. But that's not what makes the show. What makes the show is that it's campy, but still extremely detailed, and developed in a very serious and loving manner by dudes who really know and love DC. It's like a finely aged vintage wine compared to The Batman's light beer.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I just think it's fantastic that we get to see characters that have probably been underexposed up to now.

I was wrong about the show. I thought it was going to be a Diet Coke version of the already Diet Coke version of The Batman. But, it's an awesome.

It's the same people too, no?

[Drz]

I just think it's fantastic that we get to see characters that have probably been underexposed up to now.

I was wrong about the show. I thought it was going to be a Diet Coke version of the already Diet Coke version of The Batman. But, it's an awesome.

It's the same people too, no?

Yep Yep. :)

Also if you watch Brave and Bold you can see this show is alot less censored then The Batman was for some reason. =S

[CConn]

Oddly, the thing that always bugged me the most about The Batman was all those ****ing guitar riffs.

Outside of that, it was a good show.

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I had issues with some of the re-designs, but I always thought the venom spewed towards it was mostly too harsh.

I think there was a certain campiness that came across The Batman, and felt kinda unintentional. While, On The Brave And Bold...it's pretty clear that it's all intentional.

[CConn]

I agree with you there.

I really wish people would get that. When campiness is intentionally done, when it's parody, it's amazingly good. It's hilarious. And it's a style so steeped in comic history, that it's something actually pretty special.

[batboy99]

People can't get it through their heads that Batman wasnt always dark and moody.

[CaptainClown]

every episode of batb is filled with classic dc characters and storylines - most of which have never even been dared touched upon by anyone else in animation or film. It gives exposure to so many under-appreciated and under-exposed elements of the dc universe. Yeah, it's campy. But that's not what makes the show. What makes the show is that it's campy, but still extremely detailed, and developed in a very serious and loving manner by dudes who really know and love dc. It's like a finely aged vintage wine compared to the batman's light beer.
qft!

[ChrisBaleBatman]

The "Legends of the Dark Mite" episode pretty much spells out the entire "joke", if you will. They literally have Bat-Mite read the "Batman isn't always dark and brooding..." letter, in case for someone wasn't aware.

And yeah, CConn. I think unintentional campiness...and clearly intentional campiness are two different things. It's just different, and funnier, when the people making it are aware of how outrageous the situations are.

[Ziggyman]

I know that the camp and such is all there on purpose...it's just that I don't really like it...I think it's the type of show...you have to already be in a good mood to enjoy it...because last time I watched, I was kind of grouchy and such and I just got impatient with some of the campiness!

[CConn]

Do we need to get you a psychologist, Ziggy?

[Ziggyman]

Do we need to get you a psychologist, Ziggy?
Naw, naw...aww hell no!:oldrazz:

Since it's a very light and comical show...you would need to be in that type of mood to enjoy the show...!

[Drz]

I'd say the show can get you to that happy mood after watching Batman and hearing all the great one-liners and the sweet animation, especially the combat!

[Dark Knight90!]

It's the same people too, no?

With two big differences... James Tucker is the main producer and is doing a fantastic job. I guess a couple of years under the guidance of Bruce Timm will do that to you.

Plus... the dynamic music partners compose the scores for the episodes and are much better than that Thomas chase Jones guy and his same 5 music cues for 65 episodes.

(Although, he did phenomenal work on The Batman vs. Dracula)

[The Ace of Knaves]

Brave and The Bold all the way. It's pretty hammy and cheesy, but it is thoroughly enjoyable. Whereas whenever I caught The Batman on TV it used to make me squirm in my seat at how utterly ****e it was.

With Brave and The Bold you can tell it is made with some integrity, with some respect for the characters. And that there is a real passion about the mythos.

The Batman just shat on the mythos for the purpose to sell some action figures to the new generation of kids who don't have a clue about...anything. What takes the cake is the episode where Joker becomes some Hulk thing. Clearly just to sell the toy of Hulk Joker to impressionable youths who are like "WHOAA big muscly Joker!"

[Crook]

^ So how'd you like Arkham Asylum? :o

[Orb]

^ So how'd you like Arkham Asylum? :o
I was gonna ask the same thng.

[BubbaGump]

Brave and the Bold alllll the way.

[BubbaGump]

Brave and the Bold alllll the way.

[NewAvenger4]

I love both but i voted The Batman

it got better as it went on

[Ceb-Man]

The Brave and The Bold

[RootBeerMaster]

I got to go with Batman the Brave and the Bold because it like a new Justice League Unlimited actully its better because it's a DC UNIVERSE cartoon not just a Justice League cartoon, so the Legion, Teen Titans, and all other heroes can show up on it. while it looks wacky, its a lot Darker, and can be More serious and violent then The Batman. But it mixs in the Wacky from the 70s just right. so I got to go with Batman the Brave and the Bold.

[tekken]

definitely brave and the bold!

but i think batman beyond is my favorite batman toon of all time. i saw the show when i was like 10 or something...and when i see it now, it's crazy how violent, dark, and deep it is. and now that we know terry is actually bruce's son, it's even better. watching their interactions are so awesome. it's SO father and son. that said, i think batman beyond should be considered BTAS part 2. you can't JUST watch beyond, you'd need to have watched BTAS to fully take in what it offers.