2009 NFL Thread

[kane9321]

This may be worse than your assertion that Superman Returns was a good movie.

:hehe:

[Excel]

Being 40 pounds overweight is a physical tool?

No, but he wasnt 40 olbs overweight when he was drafted either. But, having possibly the strongest arm ever is certainly a physical tool. :cwink:

[Darthphere]

What good is a strong arm if he can't throw straight? :o

[Excel]

What good is a strong arm if he can't throw straight? :o

Not good at all.

However, Russel had the best completion percentage % (he completed 68% of his passes), as well as the best td to interception ratio (3.5 td for every int throw) and int-to pass attempt (1 int every 43 passes)of every1 1st qb taken since Peyton Manning, I dont see how that is relevant at all.

So I am pretty sure he had a strong arm that could also throw
straight. In fact, it was more accurate than everybody 1st qb taken since Peyton.

So...

[Darthphere]

Not good at all.

However, Russel had the best completion percentage % td to interception ratio of every1 1st qb taken since Peyton Manning, I dont see how that is relevant at all.

So I am pretty sure he had a strong arm that could also threw straight. In fact, it was more accurate than everybody 1st qb taken since Peyton.

So...

I don't either.:o

[kane9321]

JaMarcus russell couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat

[Excel]

Well see next year when he finally gets a wr who can catch and not it let go right through his hands.

[kane9321]

bah....the raiders need more than a reciever....those bums need a line to protect russell...qb is no good unless he has protection

[BlackLantern]

JaMarcus russell couldnt hit water if he fell out of a boat

...but he could find a cheeseburger blindfolded

[Darthphere]

...but he could find a cheeseburger blindfolded

:hehe:

[StorminNorman]

Frankly, I think you should be banned from talking football after this.

I understand Excel's logic actually. Russel SHOULD of been the best QB prospect seen in a long time, he has all the tools physically and he had significant success in a great conference - the problem is that Russel doesn't have, IMO, the personality or the leadership or the football I.Q.


Russell not only had easily the greatest physical tools for a pocket passer in a long time, but had the best completition %, yards-per-attempt, and touchdown-to-int. ratio (3.5 td for every 1 int). All this while playing in the SEC.

Somebody explain to me how he isnt the best qb propect since peyton manning.

Russell lacks maturity, his release is not very quick. The guy also struggled a lot on the road and against elite competition:

Russel Home Stats: 20/1 TD/INT 200 QB Rating
Russel Away: 4/6 TD/INT 117 QB Rating.
Career Stats Against Top 15 Opponents: 7/7 TD/INT
Junior Season Stats Against Ranked Opponents: 8/7 TD/INT
Junior Season Stats Against Unraked Opponents: 20/1 TD/INT

[Dr. Evil]

Uh oh for Donte Stallworth:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/01/report-dui-manslaughter-charges-coming-today-for-stallworth/

[StorminNorman]

With the fifth pick in the NFL Draft the Browns select Michael Crabtree...

[Immortalfire]

Just saw an article..Matt Ryan has been lifting weights and working out very early during this off season, talking to and working with his teamsters, knowing they'll have a tougher schedule this year (and looking forward to it). Said the playoff loss to AZ has been a great motivator.

He's the man :up:

[Erzengel]

Has he been saying his prayers and eating his vitamins as well? :huh:

[Immortalfire]

What?

[StorminNorman]

It's hard to think of young, skilled, successful professional athlete more boring than Matt Ryan.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Just saw an article..Matt Ryan has been lifting weights and working out very early during this off season, talking to and working with his teamsters,

He's been working out with a bunch of crooked union workers? :confused: :D

[Immortalfire]

:facepalm

[Erzengel]

What?
Whatcha going to do when Matt Ryan runs wild on you?

[Silver Knight]

Well see next year when he finally gets a wr who can catch and not it let go right through his hands.
Who is that WR going to be exactly?

[Raiden]

Report: Stallworth to get DUI manslaughter charge (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9378392/Report:-Stallworth-to-get-DUI-manslaughter-charge?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002)

I think Stallworth's NFL career may be over.

[Alex The Great]

Well, the draft is upon us soon....woo and yay

[Immortalfire]

Well, the draft is upon us soon

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/owl1.jpg

[Alex The Great]

I wonder who the Mammal Fish will pick

[Darthphere]

Ted Ginn III.

[Immortalfire]

Ted Ginn III.

LoL

[NewYorkSpider]

Chris Mortenson gave a list of teams that have intrest in Cutler. Some of the teams have already contacted Denver.


Tampa Bay Buccuneers
Washington Redskins
New York Jets
Carolina Panthers
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
Cleveland Browns
Chicago Bears
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings


Mortenson also was asked about Stafford's workout and he said he was "sold of the charts" and should be the first pick in the draft.

[FaT_tONle]

Hope they keep him out of the NFC. Jets don't have the chips IMO. 49ers have picks. Bucs don't even have a second round pick so I don't know how they will swing a deal. Maybe give up a 1st round pick next year or something. Browns already have a young QB in development. Why trade the farm for a another young QB and decrease your talent elsewhere? Bears don't have much to give up either. Detroit and San Fran have the best picks. Clevland has the best offer but doesn't need to make the move. I can't imagine what it will take for these teams drafting in the mid round to get a deal done... at least one that does not include high draft picks in 2010.

[NewYorkSpider]

I read just a few minutes ago that the Panthers don't really have intrest in Cutler. I also heard rumors about a week ago that they were negotiating with Delhomme about a contract extension. I like Cutler going to Minnesota. That would make them one of the best teams in the NFC.

[vindrow]

Whatcha going to do when Matt Ryan runs wild on you?


Cool, Matt Ryan bought Hulk Hogan's guide to working out.

[El_Citrus]

Cool, Matt Ryan bought Hulk Hogan's guide to working out.

Hopefully he doesn't follow Hogan's complete guide or he'll receive a four-game suspension faster than his first touchdown pass. :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

I wouldn't mind Cutler in the NFC East....it would give every team in the division a marquee quarterback....keep everyone honest

[StorminNorman]

So Jacksonville is being smart and committing to Garrard?

[NewYorkSpider]

I think they'll go WR in the draft now since Matt Jones is gone. If they sign Holt before the draft, then I think Sanchez could be a possiblity. This of course if they're not commited to Garrard. I also read they could be intrested in Chris Wells.

Jaguars.com writer Vic Ketchman says he "has to believe" that Ohio State RB Beanie Wells is a "definite" first-round possibility for Jacksonville.

Ideally, the Jags would trade out of the No. 8 spot and get Wells somewhere in the 'teens. Wells' lack of three-down skills makes him a reach in the top ten. His addition would throw a wrench into Maurice Drew's 2009 upside.

rotoworld

[Mister J]

At least two first round picks for Cutler? Somehow I don't see the finalized deal coming to that.

This whole 'He won't return calls/They never called' deal is out of control and annoying. Someone is lying through their bloody teeth.

[NewYorkSpider]

Cutler told FoxSports writer Jay Glazer he didn't want to get traded. :dry:

FoxSports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9403016/Cutler-speaks:-%27I-didn%27t-want-to-get-traded%27)

WTF is going on here?

[The Incredible Hulk]

At least two first round picks for Cutler? Somehow I don't see the finalized deal coming to that..


that seems like quite a hefty asking price for Cutler especially since this is after Denver has committed to trading him, which in effect takes away a lot of their leverage. Not to mention, there are only 2 teams (Detroit, Philly) that have multiple first rounders this year. Unless of course they'd want a first this year and one next year as well which I dont know if too many teams would part with. Detroit could always deal them #20 and #33 which is basically a 1st round pick as well.

[Erzengel]

Some of the NY papers are telling the Jets to go after Cutler and how they are in "talks".

[RAMORE]

At least two first round picks for Cutler? Somehow I don't see the finalized deal coming to that.

This whole 'He won't return calls/They never called' deal is out of control and annoying. Someone is lying through their bloody teeth.

I think it might be the man in the middle....Bus cook:eek: Times are bad he wants a new contract for Cutler so he can get his cut and he new the Broncos wouldn't do it. So he won't answer the Broncos calls but leaks word that Cutler won't under any circumstances play for them. Then he tells Cutler they obviously don't want you they haven't called in ten days I bet they publicly announce that they are seeking a trade. Bada Bing let the conspiracy theorist start.

[Go Web Go!]

Ted Ginn III.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/790Pirate/prod.jpg

[RAMORE]

Report: Stallworth to get DUI manslaughter charge (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9378392/Report:-Stallworth-to-get-DUI-manslaughter-charge?MSNHPHCP&GT1=39002)

I think Stallworth's NFL career may be over.

You think? I called it early on he might plea out with little to no jail time (though not likely if OJ can get off anyone can) but his NFL career is done.:csad:

[Immortalfire]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/790Pirate/prod.jpg

:lmao:

[CrypticOne]

Man, my Broncos just killed themselves for the next couple years, maybe even longer. I didn't want to lose Cutler. BIG mistake by the Broncos.

[StorminNorman]

I think the Broncos will be fine. They will get a QB out of the deal and honestly, as shown last year, McDaniels doesn't need a very talented QB to run his system. The Bronco's receiving corps is comparable to New England's - Chris Sims could be a Pro Bowler in Denver.

[Excel]

I was just about to say, I dont think Chris Simms would be that bad at all; if they could trade Cutler for 2 1st rounders but have to go with Simms this year...they should do it.

[Mastodon123]

Some of the NY papers are telling the Jets to go after Cutler and how they are in "talks".

I doubt the Broncos are going to be making a trade with any of the AFC teams. They'll probably want to minimize the possibility of Cutler's team playing games against the Broncos. Cutler's probably going to end up in the NFC north, or Washington.

[StorminNorman]

I don't think Cutler will end up in Chicago and he isn't going to end up in Detroit. Washington and Tampa are the two teams that seem to be most interested, and should be teams Denver feels comfortable leaving Cutler in.

[Darthphere]

Is it odd that all these teams interested in Cutler are NFC teams.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I don't think Cutler will end up in Chicago and he isn't going to end up in Detroit. Washington and Tampa are the two teams that seem to be most interested, and should be teams Denver feels comfortable leaving Cutler in.

Norm, why is it you're so deadset against him going to Detroit?

Is it because you think the Lions wont pass up Stafford? :huh:

Before you used to say that it was b/c Denver needed a QB in return in the deal, but now Bowlen's come out and said that they dont need to get a QB in return in the deal.

I seriously think that Detroit's #20 and #33 would be enough to get it done. I know Denver said they want 2 1st rounders, but I believe thats more of a posturing move at this point to see if they can scare some idiot like Daniel Snyder into actually paying it. (whcih he shouldnt BTW since Bowlen's basically committed to moving Cutler at this point.) I dont think any other sensible team could beat that offer, provided of course the Lions would do that deal.

[Excel]

Detroit would be retarded not to do it if they keep one of their 1st round picks.

[Mastodon123]

Is it odd that all these teams interested in Cutler are NFC teams.

Its because they have a better chance to get Cutler. I doubt they'll trade him to any team that are in the same conference. They most certainly wouldn't trade him to any team in the same division that they're in either.

I also got to wonder if the schedule for this upcoming season will affect who they trade Cutler to. I can't see them trading Cutler to a team knowing they're going to play that team this season.

[kane9321]

lions better jump all over this

[The Incredible Hulk]

I also got to wonder if the schedule for this upcoming season will affect who they trade Cutler to. I can't see them trading Cutler to a team knowing they're going to play that team this season.


The way the NFL scheduling is setup, you should now play every team in the NFL at least once in a 4 year period. Seeing as Cutler is only 25, they're going to have face him sooner or later no matter where he goes. The AFC West teams did play the NFC South last year, so those would be the teams they wont see again for the longest period of time.

[Mister J]

Detroit would be retarded not to do it if they keep one of their 1st round picks.
Word is Denver doesn't want the #1 pick. Nor do they necessarily want a QB in return.

I'll say it again: Someone is lying through their bloody teeth.

[BlackLantern]

Word is Denver doesn't want the #1 pick. Nor do they necessarily want a QB in return.

I'll say it again: Someone is lying through their bloody teeth.

Denver seems to be playing with more money than they have....I like Cutler but I'm not sure if he is worth TWO 1st round picks

[Mastodon123]

The way the NFL scheduling is setup, you should now play every team in the NFL at least once in a 4 year period. Seeing as Cutler is only 25, they're going to have face him sooner or later no matter where he goes. The AFC West teams did play the NFC South last year, so those would be the teams they wont see again for the longest period of time.

So I guess he could end up in Tampa if Bowlen wanted to keep Cutler away from the Broncos as long as possible.

It looks like Denver will be playing against the NFC East this season. I just can't see them trading him to a team that they're going to face this season so I don't really see him going to Washington now.

[The Incredible Hulk]

So I guess he could end up in Tampa if Bowlen wanted to keep Cutler away from the Broncos as long as possible.

It looks like Denver will be playing against the NFC East this season. I just can't see them trading him to a team that they're going to face this season so I don't really see him going to Washington now.

It's possible but that would be a retarded basis for making the trade. They should base a deal on the best offer not who has the bets offer with the most appealing schedule.

[Excel]

Denver seems to be playing with more money than they have....I like Cutler but I'm not sure if he is worth TWO 1st round picks

Maybe thats the point and he wont be traded at all, moreso theyll make it look like they tried to trade him :cwink:

[Erzengel]

It seems that Comcast is dropping the NFL network too. Looks like direct tv will be the only one carrying it.

[StorminNorman]

Norm, why is it you're so deadset against him going to Detroit?

Because I am a realist? I am not against the idea of Cutler in Detroit, I AM against the idea of Detroit sending multiple draft picks for Cutler though. If the Detroit Lions could trade the number 1 pick for Cutler, they should do it. But since that's not an option, they can't afford to trade multiple picks here.

Is it because you think the Lions wont pass up Stafford? :huh:

Stafford being available at one certainly does factor in. I think Stafford is a better prospect coming out than Cutler was and I think, at the least, Stafford will be a Cutler-quality QB. So why trade multiple picks for a 25 year old Cutler when you can use one and drat a 21 year old Cutler clone?

Before you used to say that it was b/c Denver needed a QB in return in the deal, but now Bowlen's come out and said that they dont need to get a QB in return in the deal.

No my position has ALWAYS been that Detroit doesn't have the trade capital for a trade - not that they don't have a QB to trade (after all, I have said many times I think Tampa is in a great position). Detroit, not unlike Tampa, has nothing to offer but draft picks, the difference is I don't think Detroit can afford to trade those while Tampa can. The Lions have far too many needs.

I seriously think that Detroit's #20 and #33 would be enough to get it done. I know Denver said they want 2 1st rounders, but I believe thats more of a posturing move at this point to see if they can scare some idiot like Daniel Snyder into actually paying it. (whcih he shouldnt BTW since Bowlen's basically committed to moving Cutler at this point.) I dont think any other sensible team could beat that offer, provided of course the Lions would do that deal.

Tampa is going to offer at least 19 and next year's one. I believe fully that William Beatty, a defensive lineman and Matthew Stafford is better than Jason Smith and Jay Cutler.

lions better jump all over this

Only if they can do it for a single draft pick.

It seems that Comcast is dropping the NFL network too. Looks like direct tv will be the only one carrying it.

That's a shame, the NFL Network is awesome.

[BlackLantern]

It seems that Comcast is dropping the NFL network too. Looks like direct tv will be the only one carrying it.

source?

[Excel]

Cutler to Washington.

Cutler was and I think, at the least, Stafford will be a Cutler-quality QB. So why trade multiple picks for a 25 year old Cutler when you can use one and drat a 21 year old Cutler clone

Cutler is proven in the nfl; staffs as proven as alex smith, joey harrington, ryan leaf...

[Erzengel]

source?
http://www.pantagraph.com/blogs/main/?p=3755

A message scrolled across the screen informing me that Comcast subscribers might be losing the NFL Network as of May 1.

[StorminNorman]

Cutler to Washington.

It's certainly possible. A name to keep in the back of your minds is Colt Brennan. He may be more attractive to McDaniels than Campbell.

Cutler is proven in the nfl; staffs as proven as alex smith, joey harrington, ryan leaf...

Sure. If the Lions have doubts about Stafford, then they should try their hardest to get Cutler. But if the Lions believe in Stafford half as much as I do, they are better off drafting him trading multiple draft picks for Cutler.

[Excel]

But the thought of Cutler with the games 2nd best deep threat; and #1 wr of the future for the next decade is just...:eek: :eek:

[That-Guy]

I'd like to see Cutler go to the Bills. I know that's not even an option, but it would be amusing to see him and T.O. on the same team. They'd probably get into a fist fight halfway through the season opener.

[El_Citrus]

BREAKING NEWS: Cutler has been traded to the CHICAGO BEARS according to ESPN. The Broncos get the Bears' 2009 and 2010 First round draft picks and Kyle Orton while the Bears receive Cutler and a 3rd Rounder.

[Mister J]

Cutler Going to Bears (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4037373)
The Chicago Bears pulled the big upset Thursday afternoon by acquiring Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, a source told ESPN.com.

The Broncos confirmed the move.

To acquire Cutler, the Bears had to give up quarterback Kyle Orton and first-round picks in 2009 and 2010, a source said.

To complete the trade, the Broncos had to give back a third-round pick in 2009.

The Bears beat out the Redskins, Buccaneers, Lions, Titans and other teams to get land the 25-year-old Pro Bowl quarterback.

The Broncos had been asking for at least two first-round choices.

Cutler asked to be traded when he found out first-year coach Josh McDaniels tried to acquire Matt Cassel in a trade with the Patriots.

Cutler had not returned phone calls from the Broncos, according to the team, and had been staying away from the offseason program.

[Immortalfire]

Holy Shoot :eek:

[Excel]

Wowowowowow.

That is huge.

HUGE!

IfI was Jay, I would rather play in Chicagho than Denver anyway...MUCH better football town.

Hats to McDaniels...#14 & 18, plus 2 1st rounders next year...and Ortons not that bad.

[Mister J]

Damn if they didn't get two first rounders.

[StorminNorman]

Wow...

I am shocked.

[StorminNorman]

Damn if they didn't get two first rounders.

There was no way they weren't getting those. Tampa and Washington both would of offered that.

[Excel]

If I am Cutler, I am estatic. Chicago is the ****ing **** :up: :up:

Im sure Ortons going beserk too.

[El_Citrus]

Chicago has a long way to go before their an elite team, but it's a start at least with getting some major stability at the QB position.

[Mister J]

There was no way they weren't getting those. Tampa and Washington both would of offered that.
Teams often make grandiose demands only to end up taking considerably less. This is one f the few times I recall such a claim having some teeth. Given what some notable players have gone for in compensation over the past few years, two first round picks is huge. I didn't see (or hear about) teams lining up to offer such.

[StorminNorman]

If I am Cutler, I am estatic. Chicago is the ****ing **** :up: :up:

Yes, who wouldn't love going from Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal to...Devin Hester?:huh:

At least he is returning to his home state.

Chicago has a long way to go before their an elite team, but it's a start at least with getting some major stability at the QB position.

I, personally, thought they had a stable QB in Orton. I really don't like this trade for Chicago.


Teams often make grandiose demands only to end up taking considerably less. This is one f the few times I recall such a claim having some teeth. Given what some notable players have gone for in compensation over the past few years, two first round picks is huge. I didn't see (or hear about) teams lining up to offer such.

Two first rounders for Cutler isn't a grandiose demand - not when you have multiple teams interested in trading. There was no way Tampa was going to offer anything less than 19 and 2010.

[FaT_tONle]

Pretty obvious it was going to take two first rounders... that's why TB and Washington backed out IMO... they did not have 2nd round picks this year... TB probably would have had to pay an extra third round pick since they don't have a QB in return.

[Go Web Go!]

If I am Cutler, I am estatic. Chicago is the ****ing **** :up: :up:


Who wouldn't love going to a place where your best receiver is a kick returner?

[Excel]

Yes, who wouldn't love going from Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal to...Devin Hester?:huh:

Hesters gonna top 1000 next season; calling it. Theyll draft somebody too.

[Dark Donnie]

Didn't Cutler say he wanted to go to Chicago? At least he got his wish...to bad the WR's suck.

[Holiday]

So Cutler is going to Chicago and Neckbeard is headed to Denver. Wild stuff.

[El_Citrus]

He's gonna feel great when Chicago can't draft some big name WR's in the first round since they don't have any this year or next year.

For Denver, this is going to be an interesting mini-camp with Orton and Simms and we'll see if McDaniels can groom one like he did with Cassel. Denver won out huge with this deal in my opinion. They've got two young QB's to see if one can be a star, two first rounders this year to work on their defense, and two next year if they don't trade one away.

[Excel]

Hesters legit. Both made out very well.

[Go Web Go!]

He's gonna feel great when Chicago can't draft some big name WR's in the first round since they don't have any this year or next year.



But they have Brandon Lloyd

[Dr. Evil]

Those Superfans in Chicago must be excited.

[BlackLantern]

the Neckbeard will do well there

[Immortalfire]

So Cutler is going to Chicago and Neckbeard is headed to Denver. Wild stuff.

Neckbeard, lol

[FaT_tONle]

Who wouldn't love going to a place where your best receiver is a kick returner?

They have other picks in the draft...

[Mister J]

Bears agree to terms with Orlando Pace.

[StorminNorman]

Hesters gonna top 1000 next season; calling it. Theyll draft somebody too.

Saved. :cwink:

Didn't Cutler say he wanted to go to Chicago? At least he got his wish...to bad the WR's suck.

I don't think Cutler gave a wish list of teams - he was born in Santa Claus, Indiana though.

But they have Brandon Lloyd

No they don't.

Bears agree to terms with Orlando Pace.

The Bears are out of hibernation!

[El_Citrus]

But they have Brandon Lloyd

Chicago's receiving core doesn't compare to Denver's, but I think Chicago has a slightly better running game, and both have fairly below average defenses, not including Denver's free agent splurge since it remains to be seen how the new components will mesh.

[Excel]

This Cutler trade obviously wasnt about immeadiete success; this is the guy they will have leading their team for the next 10 years. Much like McNabb in Philadelphia, Cutler is talented to make due, and they will likely give him a weapon within a few years. They have Matt Forte as well, and I like Hesters progress a lot.

That said, Denver won the deal. McD might get coach of the year if the draft play out well.

[NotFadeAway]

I like this move for Chicago. The defense is still there, it's just gotten tired the last two seasons, always covering for the crappy offense.

But, now they finally have a Quarterback in Jay Cutler, and it will be interesting to see if he can be the same guy with less talent around him, and with no Shanahan. I think Cutler is that good. Matt Forte is a fine young running back, I loved him in college and I love him now. Hell, I was pissed that my Panthers didn't just draft Jeff Otah at #13 last year and then they could have nabbed Forte in the 2nd. And that is no disrespect toward Jonathan Stewart, I think Stewart is going to be an amazing Running Back in the league, but I hated giving up that 1st rounder this year when we could have grabbed Forte in the 2nd. Anyway, if the Bears have signed Pace, and Pace can stay healthy, the big man has a year or two left in him, and with Chris Williams coming back, the always excellent Olin Kreutz at Center, and they made an interesting signing with Frank Omiyale, a player who can play both Guard and Tackle.

As far as the Wideouts go, I agree with the poster who said Hester will go over a 1000 yards, IF the Bears can find someone in the 2nd to line up beside Hester. I will garuntee you the Bears take the best Wide Reciever avaliable when they pick in the 2nd round. I can see Hakeem Nicks being a good fit.

The NFC North is going to be this season. I think it just came down to the Bears and the Vikings. The Packers are going to get torched in the air and ran over on the ground, but they have the offense to play catch up. And the Lions will be interesting to watch, as they attempt to come back from an 0-16 season with a coach that I like very much.

[Raiden]

Orton is actually not a bad QB, but obviously Bears still got an upgrade with Cutler. I think Broncos won this trade, though, because with Orton, 2 1st round picks (2009 & 2010), and a 3rd round later, if they draft well they could address their problems, specifically with their lackluster defense. Cutler will remove the need for Bears to look for a franchise QB for many years to come.

[The Game]

Does that mean Don-of-Them is no longer going to Chicago :hehe:

IMO they have given up waaaaaaaaay to much for him, now they need to get him some good weapons

[NotFadeAway]

The real question is, will Kyle Orton be the starter in Denver. I've always liked Kyle Orton, since the days of watching him at Purdue. I've never thought he could be a superstar, but Orton could be a solid, winning Quarterback with talent around him and a good system. Chris Simms is a QB I have NEVER liked, I hated that he stole Major Applewhite's job at Texas. And back to Orton, I think if McDaniels can make Matt Cassel, I know he can make Kyle Orton.

But is that the plan? Does McDaniels and co. plan on going into the season with Orton and Simms, or do they simply provide insurance so that the Broncos can trade up for Stafford or Sanchez, or just wait and take the bust that will be Josh Freeman?

And fellow Carolina Panther fans, we should hope that McDaniels wants to stick with Orton/Simms. My friends, we may have finally found a trading partner for Julius Peppers. There switching to a 3-4, without alot of 3-4 players, they need a new player to sell some jerseys, they have the cap room. And they have an extra 1st round pick. The Bears-Broncos trade could be the best thing thats happened to the Panthers in some time.

[StorminNorman]

I like this move for Chicago. The defense is still there, it's just gotten tired the last two seasons, always covering for the crappy offense.

Orton wasn't the problem though.

As far as the Wideouts go, I agree with the poster who said Hester will go over a 1000 yards, IF the Bears can find someone in the 2nd to line up beside Hester. I will garuntee you the Bears take the best Wide Reciever avaliable when they pick in the 2nd round. I can see Hakeem Nicks being a good fit.

The Bears will likely have to trade up (possibly using Denver's third round pick?) to get a quality 2nd round receiver. The Rams, the Seahawks, the Browns, the Jaguars, the Raiders, etc. may all be looking WR in the second round, not to mention all the demand in the first round.

The NFC North is going to be this season. I think it just came down to the Bears and the Vikings. The Packers are going to get torched in the air and ran over on the ground, but they have the offense to play catch up. And the Lions will be interesting to watch, as they attempt to come back from an 0-16 season with a coach that I like very much.

I don't think this trade makes the Bears that much of a better team. I really don't. The Packers are interesting because they have made no moves yet in the off-season, they need a strong draft.

[Excel]

Oakland will take Robiskie if they go tackle in the 1st; Derrick Williams will likely be the best option for Chicago

[NotFadeAway]

Orton wasn't the problem though.



The Bears will likely have to trade up (possibly using Denver's third round pick?) to get a quality 2nd round receiver. The Rams, the Seahawks, the Browns, the Jaguars, the Raiders, etc. may all be looking WR in the second round, not to mention all the demand in the first round.



I don't think this trade makes the Bears that much of a better team. I really don't. The Packers are interesting because they have made no moves yet in the off-season, they need a strong draft.

Orton wasn't the problem, the overall blandness of the offense was. Maybe with Cutler, the Bears will open things up more. And like I said, I still think that Super Bowl defense is there, they just got so worn down over the last two seasons, they need the offense to step it up.

The Bears offensive line was crap last year as well. Assuming Chris Williams returns healthy and plays up to his 1st round selection, along with the addition of Pace, who yes, is old, but when healthy, still flashes the ability to protect the Quarterback, and Frank Omiyale signing, the line should improve dramatically. Omiyale might have only played in one game with the Panthers, but he was excellent in that game, and all season the coaches and players raved about Omiyale in practice. I think he starts Left Guard. Olin Kreutz is the man when it comes to Centers, so that just leaves Right Guard.

Matt Forte pounded away behind a crap line, so he should only get better. And Devin Hester can be, in my opinion, an amazing Number two reciever, that you just send deep. Just have Cutler launch it up for Hester. That need that number one. I can see Hicks possibly falling to them, but Brian Robiskie is a better bet. And they can still nag a guy like Joe Jervicious on the free agent market.

The Packers do need a strong draft, and considering that there switching there defense to a 3-4, I'm shocked they haven't done anything in free agency yet. I think it blows up in there face.

And the Lions. They may not win alot of games, but I have a sneaky suspicion that there going to be fiesty this season. There gonna fight ya. And right this down, I garuntee you that the Lions win there opening day game. Garuntee it!!

[NotFadeAway]

Oakland will take Robiskie if they go tackle in the 1st; Derrick Williams will likely be the best option for Chicago

Damn, I forgot about Derrick Williams.

[Caped Crusader]

It seems that Comcast is dropping the NFL network too. Looks like direct tv will be the only one carrying it.

Just switched to DirecTV today, letting go of Comcast. :hehe:

[NotFadeAway]

And I have to say this, if by the grace of God Denver wants Peppers and there willing to trade a 1st and a third, or even just a 1st, do not slap there hand away, Marty Hurney and John Fox. I have stayed loyal to "Furney" for years now, and although thats been tested recently, I still have there back. But if we get an offer for Peppers, even just one 1st round pick, and you throw it away, I will become the leader of the John Fox/Marty Hurney hate train. And then I will want Sean McDermott, Rob Ryan, Kyle Shanahan, or Brian Schottenheimer to replace you. Maybe Marty Schottenheimer, but I don't want Cowher. Most coaches that win a ring, retire, and then come back never touch there pevious success. I'd want a young guy for the most part, I only said Marty because he still has the fire to win a ring.

[Holiday]

the Neckbeard will do well there

He'll have a big advantage over Simms, because his neck will always stay warm up there in chilly Denver. :up:

[El_Citrus]

The Bears defense isn't getting younger, but they still have plenty of talent. Cutler and a big, physical WR in the draft who can go up and get the ball would be best for them on offense. Hester is that guy you set up screens for and also try and get him to burn the secondary deep, but for jumping up and catching the ball at its highest point ala Fitzgerald, Chicago will have to find a big WR to develop.

For Denver, they get to play this season with two young QB's and see if they can develop, and with the 12 and 18 picks, they can take Moreno or Wells and then maybe take the best available defensive player. I really like this trade for Denver and think it will pay off faster than Chicago. This might pay off longer for Chicago in the long run though.

[BlackLantern]

He'll have a big advantage over Simms, because his neck will always stay warm up there in chilly Denver. :up:

Denver should have fake neckbeards made...have them double as neckwarmers....Money in the bank

[Dr. Evil]

Bears sign Orlando Pace

[Excel]

ocho cinco on the market

[The Incredible Hulk]

well **** me in the pants. Not only do the Lions not get Cutler but now we have to face him twice a year? :(

But dammit if the Bears didnt pay a hefty price for it. Two firsts (2009, 2010), a third (2009) and Orton for Cutler and a 5th? Yikes. Were the McCaskey's asleep when this went down?

wonder if Denver will now package 12 and 18 and move up to grab Sanchez?

[El_Citrus]

Denver should have fake neckbeards made...have them double as neckwarmers....Money in the bank

:lmao:

[Cunning Stunts]

Yes, who wouldn't love going from Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal to...Devin Hester?:huh:

At least he is returning to his home state.

Devin Hester can be a beast this year with Cutler, especially with Cutler's rocket arm. Chicago would do good to pick up a receiver, though. They'd better do their hardest to pick up Anquan Boldin, since things are still stalled between Boldin and Arizona.

Btw, Cutler's from Indiana, not Illinois.

[Dr. Evil]

Yes. Cutler is from Santa Claus, Indiana.

[StorminNorman]

ocho cinco on the market

He should be. I love Ocho Cinco, but its pretty obvious it would be best for the Bengals to trade him.

To Philadelphia.

well **** me in the pants. Not only do the Lions not get Cutler but now we have to face him twice a year? :(

Stafford/Cutler/Rodgers is a sexy QB division.

wonder if Denver will now package 12 and 18 and move up to grab Sanchez?

They won't.

Devin Hester can be a beast this year with Cutler, especially with Cutler's rocket arm. Chicago would do good to pick up a receiver, though. They'd better do their hardest to pick up Anquan Boldin, since things are still stalled between Boldin and Arizona.

LOL, how can Chicago get Arizona? They don't have a first round pick until 2011.

Btw, Cutler's from Indiana, not Illinois.

Close enough :oldrazz:

[Raiden]

well **** me in the pants. Not only do the Lions not get Cutler but now we have to face him twice a year? :(

But dammit if the Bears didnt pay a hefty price for it. Two firsts (2009, 2010), a third (2009) and Orton for Cutler and a 5th? Yikes. Were the McCaskey's asleep when this went down?

wonder if Denver will now package 12 and 18 and move up to grab Sanchez?

They already have Orton; there's no reason to waste 2 first-round picks to get Sanchez, who only starred one season at USC and is still a question mark.

[Mister J]

I wouldn't make that package for Sanchez either. I don't care what he's done at workouts. That and 16 college starts isn't worth it. McDaniels will have a system in place that Orton (or SImms) can fare well in. Denver has larger issues to address ...like numerous spots on their defense.

[Dr. Evil]

Viking fans will have Brad Childress head for this. Sage Rosenfels is officially the worst QB in that division.

[StorminNorman]

I think Stephen McGee will be the QB the Denver Broncos draft.

[BlackLantern]

Viking fans will have Brad Childress head for this. Sage Rosenfels is officially the worst QB in that division.

They'll have to get past his mustache

[StorminNorman]

Sage Rosenfels is still better than anyone the Lions have...

...currently ;)

[FaT_tONle]

It's amazing how these deals that initially have you going wtf???? just make so much sense once you think about it for a second.

And I have to say this, if by the grace of God Denver wants Peppers and there willing to trade a 1st and a third, or even just a 1st, do not slap there hand away, Marty Hurney and John Fox. I have stayed loyal to "Furney" for years now, and although thats been tested recently, I still have there back. But if we get an offer for Peppers, even just one 1st round pick, and you throw it away, I will become the leader of the John Fox/Marty Hurney hate train. And then I will want Sean McDermott, Rob Ryan, Kyle Shanahan, or Brian Schottenheimer to replace you. Maybe Marty Schottenheimer, but I don't want Cowher. Most coaches that win a ring, retire, and then come back never touch there pevious success. I'd want a young guy for the most part, I only said Marty because he still has the fire to win a ring.


That makes a lot of sense. Carolina needs draft picks ASAP. Delhomme isn't getting any younger and they need a QB.

[El_Citrus]

They'll have to get past his mustache

Neckbeards, mustaches; this thread has a mild facial hair fetish....

[NotFadeAway]

It's amazing how these deals that initially have you going wtf???? just make so much sense once you think about it for a second.




That makes a lot of sense. Carolina needs draft picks ASAP. Delhomme isn't getting any younger and they need a QB.


Yes, we do need a Quarterback, although I'm not a Jake like so many other Panthers have become. I was the night of the Cardinals game when I was drunk off my ass, but I'm not anymore. I calmed down. Sadly, there aren't really any Quarterbacks that we have a shot at in this draft, with or without tarding Peppers. I'd only want Stafford or Sanchez from the 1st round group of Quarterbacks, Josh Freeman has bust written all over him in my opinion. And after that, well, Nate Davis is as dumb as a box of rocks, Cullen Harper is a disappointment, Graham Harrell is from Texas Tech.

Three Quarterbacks I'd like to see Carolina grab, from the third round down, are Pat White, Rhett Bomar, or Curtis Painter. I believe Pat White can be an NFL Quarterback, in the Jeff Garcia mold. Rhett Bomar obviously has physical talent and there could be something there, and I've always liked Curtis Painter. I just do.

Plus, I do like Matt Moore, not as much as some Carolina fans do, but I think he is worth the look. And I'm the guy, who wants Carolina to trade for Tyler Thigpen.

If the Panthers do trade Peppers for the Broncos 18th pick, I'd like us to get Tyson Jackson at that spot. And then if were lucky, Ron Brace will fall to us in the 2nd, or we can grab Sen'Derrick Marks.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Here's an interesting bit from Rotoworld


The Browns reportedly had a deal on the table Thursday afternoon that would have sent Brady Quinn to Denver.
The reported deal also involved the Redskins, presumably with Jay Cutler going to Washington and Jason Campbell headed to Cleveland. Cutler told a Denver TV station that he was headed to Washington, but the deal fell apart at the last minute. The Broncos were believed to favor Quinn over Kyle Orton.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer (http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2009/04/report_cleveland_browns_offere.html)


I wouldnt want to be within a nautical mile of Daniel Snyder this evening (then again I dont know if thats any different from any other evening?) :)

[Mister J]

That might have been Snyder's best chance to make one of his bloated signings/trades actually be worth something. Cutler to Moss. Ouch.

[NotFadeAway]

That might have been Snyder's best chance to make one of his bloated signings/trades actually be worth something. Cutler to Moss. Ouch.

I hate Daniel Snyder.

And I hate that despite all the Redskins big signings, they continue to have cap room while my Panthers can't even afford rookies at the moment.

[NewYorkSpider]

Yes, we do need a Quarterback, although I'm not a Jake like so many other Panthers have become. I was the night of the Cardinals game when I was drunk off my ass, but I'm not anymore. I calmed down. Sadly, there aren't really any Quarterbacks that we have a shot at in this draft, with or without tarding Peppers. I'd only want Stafford or Sanchez from the 1st round group of Quarterbacks, Josh Freeman has bust written all over him in my opinion. And after that, well, Nate Davis is as dumb as a box of rocks, Cullen Harper is a disappointment, Graham Harrell is from Texas Tech.

I'd rather have Freeman than Sanchez. There's something about USC QB's that I don't like. Nate Davis wouldn't be a bad choice.

Three Quarterbacks I'd like to see Carolina grab, from the third round down, are Pat White, Rhett Bomar, or Curtis Painter. I believe Pat White can be an NFL Quarterback, in the Jeff Garcia mold. Rhett Bomar obviously has physical talent and there could be something there, and I've always liked Curtis Painter. I just do.

Pat White or Rhett Bomar should be there for our third pick if we don't acquire a QB in free agency or the second round.

Plus, I do like Matt Moore, not as much as some Carolina fans do, but I think he is worth the look. And I'm the guy, who wants Carolina to trade for Tyler Thigpen.

I love Matt Moore. It was nice to see him get some time a few years ago, but he showed me he doesn't have the leadership to lead an NFL team. Tyler Thigpen shouldn't even be mentioned for a future QB for Carolina. He had one of the worst completion % last season. He's not an option for Carolina.

If the Panthers do trade Peppers for the Broncos 18th pick, I'd like us to get Tyson Jackson at that spot. And then if were lucky, Ron Brace will fall to us in the 2nd, or we can grab Sen'Derrick Marks.

I REALLY want Robert Ayers if we get a first rounder. He had an excellent combine and should be someone to replace Peppers has a dominant DE.

[StorminNorman]

I'd rather have Freeman than Sanchez. There's something about USC QB's that I don't like. Nate Davis wouldn't be a bad choice.

I wouldn't. Freeman has bust written all over him. Freeman is the embodiment of what Stafford's critic want to make him out to be. Sanchez has a great personality, leadership skills and high football I.Q.. Nate Davis has sunk since coming out of college, he has a learning disability and played in a non-Pro offense. He could be a sixth rounder.

Pat White or Rhett Bomar should be there for our third pick if we don't acquire a QB in free agency or the second round.

Pat White likely won't be there in the third, Bomar could be though.

[NewYorkSpider]

I wouldn't. Freeman has bust written all over him. Freeman is the embodiment of what Stafford's critic want to make him out to be. Sanchez has a great personality, leadership skills and high football I.Q.. Nate Davis has sunk since coming out of college, he has a learning disability and played in a non-Pro offense. He could be a sixth rounder.



Pat White likely won't be there in the third, Bomar could be though.


I guess I have a fear that Sanchez will turn up like Leinart. Palmer really hasn't done much. Of course the team is crumbling around him and he's been injured. If Pat White or Bomar are there in round three, I'm hoping we take one of them.

[Excel]

Leinart only flopped because he thought he was the man and lost his appetite for success. Dont be shocked if he plays well whenever he starts again.

[StorminNorman]

I guess I have a fear that Sanchez will turn up like Leinart.

Leinart has failed because of personality, not because of coaching.

Palmer really hasn't done much. Of course the team is crumbling around him and he's been injured.

Two time Pro Bowler.

If Pat White or Bomar are there in round three, I'm hoping we take one of them.
I would agree. With Sanchez's Pro Day he won't be an option for Carolina anyway. He could easily be gone at 4.

[Immortalfire]

Dont be shocked if he plays whenever he starts again.

W..what?

[Excel]

W..what?

:hehe:

plays WELL*

[NotFadeAway]

I'd rather have Freeman than Sanchez. There's something about USC QB's that I don't like. Nate Davis wouldn't be a bad choice.



Pat White or Rhett Bomar should be there for our third pick if we don't acquire a QB in free agency or the second round.



I love Matt Moore. It was nice to see him get some time a few years ago, but he showed me he doesn't have the leadership to lead an NFL team. Tyler Thigpen shouldn't even be mentioned for a future QB for Carolina. He had one of the worst completion % last season. He's not an option for Carolina.



I REALLY want Robert Ayers if we get a first rounder. He had an excellent combine and should be someone to replace Peppers has a dominant DE.

I know what your saying about the USC Quarterbacks. It's funny, one of the things that makes USC, well, USC every year is that they play a pro style system on both sides of the ball, and they recruit prototypical professional players. And they win, they win alot. And yet, alot of USC players have been busts in the NFL. I can't figure it out. It's not like Carroll runs a soft ship. As far as the USC Quarterbacks go, during this decade, there are three worth mentioning. Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, and Matt Cassel. Palmer has been succesful, Leinart has not, and Cassel is a question mark and you can't even really count him in the debate because he was a back up at USC. So in a way, Mark Sanchez is kinda the guy who will determine how much NFL teams will covet a USC Quarterback for some time. Not that we are in any position to get him. I wouldn't take him either. But I'll personally garuntee that Josh Freeman will be a bust, I just don't like him at all. And Nate Davis lacks intelligience. I was born and raised in Zanesville, Ohio. Thats not too far from Bellaire, where Nate Davis hails from. Two stories, one, my high school actually played Bellaire in the Basketball playoffs during Davis senoir year. Apparently, they smoked us. But, word did get around that Davis struggled badly in school, he actually had a live in tutor to get him through. And this was confirmed when my dad, an accountant, was auditing a school in the Bellaire area, and it was confirmed. Apparently, there were quite a few major programs looking at Davis, programs like Ohio State, Iowa, Virginia, Cincinnati, North Carolina, and Louisville. They all thought he wasn't smart enough at the end of the day. It came down to Ball State and Toledo, and Davis picked Ball State. And when you look at his career, Davis was pretty bad outside the MAC, excluding his performance against Nebraska, because Bill Callahan is an idiot. And for years, I have made fun of NFL teams taking a Quarterback based on physical skills alone, ala JaMarcus Russell, I don't want our team to fall victim to that.

I don't know for sure if Pat White will be there, but I'm willing to bet Rhett Bomar will be. I like Bomar personally, in a way not playing at Oklahoma might have made him a better pro prospect. Bomar has all the upside in the world, and I like that he is a bit cocky, as far as I'm concerned, our team needs a little swagger. But, at the same time, if he falls to us in the third, I'd have a hard time passing up LSU Guard Herman Johnson. The guy is a human monster. 6'7, 362LBS. Once Johnson locks in on a defender, there over and done with. And because Johnsons a Guard, the athleticism he lacks isn't that big of a deal because we play straight ahead, smash motuh football on offense. And Keydrick Vincent is the one older guy we have on our line, everywhere else, we are set for years barring an horrid injuries or contract problems. Gross and Otah give us bookend tackles for years to come, while Wharton and Kalil will hold there positions for many more years. I'd like having that fifth and final piece, and can you imagine Otah and Johnson side by side. No one could stop our running game at that point, with the more athletic left side, the bull dozing right side, and one of the next great Centers in the middle. It's comforting to know that if Fox and Hurney are fired, whoever the new coach and/or GM is will already have an O-line in place, which is usually the 1st order of business for a new coach.

I loved what I saw from Matt Moore in 2007/ It was one of the lone bright spots in a season that was basically the worst one we have had under Fox. I mean, 7-9 didn't seem that bad, it just made us look mediocre to the naked eye, but it was brutal. We got are asses kicked some many time, and it was like nobody gave a damn. It was some of the most uninspired and bland football I've ever seen, took my back to the team I was on in middle school, a team that not only failed to win a game in two years, but got blown out, and yet, we laughed our asses off about it. The only bright spots were Matt Moore, Jon Beason, Richard Marshall, Chris Harris, Steve Smith obviously, and the continuing flashes of potential greatness from DeAngelo Williams. And because I was impressed with Matt Moore, I don't have that strong of a desire to drat a Quarterback until next year, when we have a full set of picks and can plan the moves we want to make in the draft many months ahead of time. And by bringing in a first day Quarterback selection, the Panthers would pretty much admit Matt Moore wasn't in there plans, and I'm not ready to give up on the idea of him being our QB of the future. Plus, Fox and Hurney really haven't struck gold with Quarterback selections, remember Randy Fasani and Stefan Lefors? Hell, the Panthers don't have a good track record with picking rookie Quarterbacks in the general, with Kerry Collins and Chris Weinke. I still hate the Weinke selection because the move was made after Steve Beurlein was screwed over and kicked to the curb, and Steve Beurlein is one of my favorite Panther player, along with Wesley Walls. I've always wondered what might have happened it Beurlein got to play under Fox.

Robert Ayers would be my choice after Tyson Jackson, I just feel that Jackson is more consistent and less of a risk. I know he isn't a sack master, but he a great run stuffer who can hold on to Tackles because of his size. One of the things that was very apparent to me during the Cardinal game is that our small, speedy Linebackers could get loff the Cardinal lineman because of D-Line was so crappy. And I'm fine with small, fast Linebackers. But for that to work, we need a massive D-line so the LB's can be freed up, and Jackson fits that description, although Ayers isn't a small man by any means, so I'd be happy with that. And we need DT's as well, I'm so hoping Ron Brace falls to us in the 2nd. I like that he is a 3-4 kinda guy with his size, but that would be great lined up next to Kemo. That would be a wall. I'm still pissed we didn't take PatSims with our 1st rounder last season, because we still could have got Charles Godfrey with the other third.

[Holiday]

Denver should have fake neckbeards made...have them double as neckwarmers....Money in the bank

:funny:

That would be excellent. I know I'd buy one. It would instantly add a touch of class to any outfit.

[kane9321]

Wow chicago finally have a qb...they havent had a good one since jimmy Mac...nice grab bears. They went out and adressed what they've needed for so long. Now, if they can get some receivers to stretch the field...its bad when you're punt returner is the best wr on the field
Hope denver loses every game this year...(cept when they play oakland):)

[RAMORE]

I don't think Cutler will end up in Chicago and he isn't going to end up in Detroit. Washington and Tampa are the two teams that seem to be most interested, and should be teams Denver feels comfortable leaving Cutler in.
Don't worry dude you can't be right all the time...I bet Staffords sweating bullets the way you've been talking about him:hehe::grin:

BREAKING NEWS: Cutler has been traded to the CHICAGO BEARS according to ESPN. The Broncos get the Bears' 2009 and 2010 First round draft picks and Kyle Orton while the Bears receive Cutler and a 3rd Rounder.
Damn I saw this earlier than you posted I could have been first but I was walking out of my job and I thought no those damn hypers have probably been talking about for an hour already i'm going to my next job:D

The real question is, will Kyle Orton be the starter in Denver. I've always liked Kyle Orton, since the days of watching him at Purdue. I've never thought he could be a superstar, but Orton could be a solid, winning Quarterback with talent around him and a good system. Chris Simms is a QB I have NEVER liked, I hated that he stole Major Applewhite's job at Texas. And back to Orton, I think if McDaniels can make Matt Cassel, I know he can make Kyle Orton.

But is that the plan? Does McDaniels and co. plan on going into the season with Orton and Simms, or do they simply provide insurance so that the Broncos can trade up for Stafford or Sanchez, or just wait and take the bust that will be Josh Freeman?

And fellow Carolina Panther fans, we should hope that McDaniels wants to stick with Orton/Simms. My friends, we may have finally found a trading partner for Julius Peppers. There switching to a 3-4, without alot of 3-4 players, they need a new player to sell some jerseys, they have the cap room. And they have an extra 1st round pick. The Bears-Broncos trade could be the best thing thats happened to the Panthers in some time.
Orton is not a superstar if coached well he won't lose you the game but he aint winning it either. As a Buc fans Simms had flashes of real substance but then for every two steps forward in development he took he would screw up Gruden would cuss him out and take three steps back. I dunno maybe McD will be better for his fragile ego:oldrazz: They shouldn't trade up the QB wizard can make do with them until next year they have plenty of holes to fill. I love your idea of peppers there though Denver should do that immediately McD could go from worst rookie coach to best deal inside of two months:D

Orton wasn't the problem, the overall blandness of the offense was. Maybe with Cutler, the Bears will open things up more. And like I said, I still think that Super Bowl defense is there, they just got so worn down over the last two seasons, they need the offense to step it up.

The Bears offensive line was crap last year as well. Assuming Chris Williams returns healthy and plays up to his 1st round selection, along with the addition of Pace, who yes, is old, but when healthy, still flashes the ability to protect the Quarterback, and Frank Omiyale signing, the line should improve dramatically. Omiyale might have only played in one game with the Panthers, but he was excellent in that game, and all season the coaches and players raved about Omiyale in practice. I think he starts Left Guard. Olin Kreutz is the man when it comes to Centers, so that just leaves Right Guard.

Matt Forte pounded away behind a crap line, so he should only get better. And Devin Hester can be, in my opinion, an amazing Number two reciever, that you just send deep. Just have Cutler launch it up for Hester. That need that number one. I can see Hicks possibly falling to them, but Brian Robiskie is a better bet. And they can still nag a guy like Joe Jervicious on the free agent market.

The Packers do need a strong draft, and considering that there switching there defense to a 3-4, I'm shocked they haven't done anything in free agency yet. I think it blows up in there face.

And the Lions. They may not win alot of games, but I have a sneaky suspicion that there going to be fiesty this season. There gonna fight ya. And right this down, I garuntee you that the Lions win there opening day game. Garuntee it!!Your totally right about the bears D. They lost a step sure but they just get so tired after 3and outs all game:D I agree with you on the Lions something is stirring they will be much better next year and even better the year after that.

Sage Rosenfels is still better than anyone the Lions have......currently ;)
What the hell is the problem with Cullpepper:cmad::huh: No love for the big man I swear the guy who helps Randy Moss make his name and your saying Sage Freaking Rosenfells is better:facepalm He's lost 25 pounds getting ready for this season and I bet you he does a ton better this year.

{From Hulk: Here's an interesting bit from Rotoworld
I wouldnt want to be within a nautical mile of Daniel Snyder this evening (then again I dont know if thats any different from any other evening?) }

That is interesting? So the Brown didn't want cutler but they would take Campbell. I think hes highly underated myself.


Well my recap of the crazyness that was is that I was shocked/pissed the Bucs didn't get Cutler but my owners are cheap and they spend their money on Soccer.

I think the trade was good for both teams myself. Cutler will have much lower numbers next year but I don't think production will drop much and many games will be won. Are his recievers not as good? Yes but now he has a running game plust the bears will pick up some WR. I would say get Joe Jurevicious :sp: he's been a winner and productive when healthy everywhere he's been. Also take the plunge bears you've gone this far go get Ocho Cinco and make the most of your new field leader. Cinco / Jurevicious / Hester is a nasty trio. Plus they can draft a good WR in round 2 then pick up some young D after that.

[StorminNorman]

Don't worry dude you can't be right all the time...I bet Staffords sweating bullets the way you've been talking about him:hehe::grin:

There was no way I could of for seen Chicago being dumbasses. I absolutely love the proposed Cleveland-Washington-Denver three way that would of brought Quinn and picks to Denver, Cutler to Washington and Campbell to Cleveland.

What the hell is the problem with Cullpepper:cmad::huh:

Whats wrong with Culpepper? How about the fact he hasn't thrown more TD's than INT's since 2004? Or how about the fact he hasn't thrown for more than 1600 yards since 2004?

No love for the big man I swear the guy who helps Randy Moss
make his name

The big man that helped Randy Moss make his name hasn't played since 2004. Until he proves otherwise the guy isn't a starting QB.
and your saying Sage Freaking Rosenfells is better:facepalm

Rosenfels threw for more TD's in 2007 than Culpepper has in the last three years.

He's lost 25 pounds getting ready for this season and I bet you he does a ton better this year.

Losing weight should not be confused with success. Until he proves otherwise, he is what his last season was.

[RAMORE]

He is what his last season was!! (in Dennis Green's voice) :grin:

He's been out of work what do you want.

I was just razzing you about the bears thing I like the other trade better too....But if I was Stafford I would be worried:D

[StorminNorman]

He is what his last season was!! (in Dennis Green's voice) :grin:

Like Dennis Green my words are absolutely true.

He's been out of work what do you want.

And who hasn't been out of work?

Sage Rosenfels.

Maybe that says something.

[kane9321]

Ok so now...where does mark sanchez land

[StorminNorman]

Seattle perhaps. Washington at the latest.

[NotFadeAway]

Trent Dilfer gave the Lions crap last night on NFL Live for not trading for Cutler, and I've seen others say that as well. Thats really unfair, if you ask me. Yes, they need a Quarterback, but they also need help all over the board, and even if they gave up the 20th pick this year, they would have been made to give up a 1st next year, a 1st they will more than likely need. And when you throw in the fact that they didn't have a Quarterback to send Denver's way, they would have had to give up even more top picks, probably one of there thirds this year. The Lions need those picks, hell they need more picks.

The thing about the Lions is, I think there trying to trade down with the wrong 1st round choice. They could probably trade down a few spots from the 20th selection, and pick up an extra 2nd and 4th/5th. They should also being trying to trade down with the Dolphins or Patriots in the second round, so they can round up a few extra 2nd round. I should mention that the second round is by far my favorite round of the draft, followed by the third round. Screw picking up extra first round choices, those players are always so damn boom or bust that it's scary. It's in the second round where you find the quality football players, the players who may not have set the combine on fire, but played the majority of there college career and although they might not be as physically impressive, those players produced and made a difference for there college, and thats what I want. Screw the combine underwear speed and the vertical leaps, give me a damn football player.

On a last note about the Lions, I love there choice for Head Coach with Jim Schwartz, but you can tell the front office is still ran by idiots, they just seem more willing to listen and consider what Schwartz has to say. I think Schwartz will have the team playing tough all year, and they will win some games, but if I'm a Lions fan, I'm really unhappy with the off-season so far, outside of the revelation that they need an Offensive lineman in the first. Other than that, they haven't done a single thing to fix the line so far. It's the same five dingle berries who couldn't block a soul last season. I think Gosder Cherilus will be good, I actually wanted him more than I wanted my Panthers to take Otah, which would have been wrong, I know that now. But Cherilus will be good, so theres your Right Tackle. And there were some good bargains wit the free agent lineman. Geoff Hangartner, Ray Willis, and Duke Preston all would have been upgrades. Hangartner was probably going to the Bills regardless, but Ray Willis, a powerful run blocker who played well for Seattle last season and only happens to be 26 years old, he was shopping around. Could have put him next to Cherilus. And the Lions need a big Center to combat the massive Defensive Tackles they see in the NFC North, and Preston is a big Center at 326lbs, and the Bills ran the ball well with him. Also, a guy I would have looked at is Nick Cole, who has played both Center and Guard for the Eagles and is a stout 6'1, 350lbs. Yes, he was a RFA with a secound round tender, but with the Eagles in need of Tackles, maybe a trade sending Jeff Backus to the Eagles could have been worked out.

As far as the defensive moves, ya got two old guys in Julian Peterson and Grady Jackson, and a Corner in Pat Buchanon who has never lived up to his potential. Congrats. Should have went after Chris Crocker and Colin Cole for there respective positions, DT and FS. There are plenty of Linebackers in this draft, and if they were going to shell out money for any position, it should have been Cornerback. Hell, I think the Lions should sign Pacman Jones, Schwartz has worked with him before and used him well, and the Lions literally have nothing to lose.

And as far as the Lions Quarterback situation, Daunte Culpepper sucks, he has always sucked, and he will continue to suck. It was Randy Moss who made Daunte look good. Not the other way around. I remember given a friend of mine so much sh^t when he was happy the Dolphins(his team) traded for Culpepper instead of signing Drew Brees, and then look what happened. Anyway, I'd rather have Jon Kitna than Culpepper, and I'd rather have Rosenfels than Culpepper. I'd rather have Kyle Orton than Culpepper. I'd rather have Derek Anderson than Culpepper. I'd rather give Drew Stanton a shot than Culpepper. Bottom line, Daunte sucks. The Lions should really take a shot on a QB sometime in the first four rounds.

Actually, here is an idea. Maybe if the Browns would want to move up and take Stafford, the Lions could trade down and acquire Brady Quinn and an extra 2nd. Or, and nobody has mentioned this, maybe the Lions should pick up the phone and see what it would take to get Matt Leinart away from the Cardinals. I haven't given up on the idea that Leniart can be a good Quarterback in the NFL.

[Cmill216]

Jeepers, dude.....

[Immortalfire]

Those are some wild scenarios.

[Mister J]

I haven't given up on the idea that Leniart can be a good Quarterback in the NFL.
Why, did they ban keg parties at Arizona State?

[Darthphere]

I'm not reading that.

[BlackLantern]

Leinart seems pretty content to hold a clipboard, get paid, and bang ASU girls for the next couple years

[StorminNorman]

Trent Dilfer gave the Lions crap last night on NFL Live for not trading for Cutler, and I've seen others say that as well. Thats really unfair, if you ask me.

Well, lets be honest. When I think I think about "whose advice do I want to build a franchise" Trent Dilfer ranks right up there with David Carr.

Yes, they need a Quarterback, but they also need help all over the board, and even if they gave up the 20th pick this year, they would have been made to give up a 1st next year, a 1st they will more than likely need. And when you throw in the fact that they didn't have a Quarterback to send Denver's way, they would have had to give up even more top picks, probably one of there thirds this year. The Lions need those picks, hell they need more picks.

Bingo.

The thing about the Lions is, I think there trying to trade down with the wrong 1st round choice. They could probably trade down a few spots from the 20th selection, and pick up an extra 2nd and 4th/5th.

You are good:
Lions willing to trade down on both first round draft picks. (http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/03/martin_mayhew_lions_are_willin.html)

I think the Lions will end up trading down this pick.

They should also being trying to trade down with the Dolphins or Patriots in the second round, so they can round up a few extra 2nd round. I should mention that the second round is by far my favorite round of the draft, followed by the third round.

:up:

Screw picking up extra first round choices, those players are always so damn boom or bust that it's scary. It's in the second round where you find the quality football players, the players who may not have set the combine on fire, but played the majority of there college career and although they might not be as physically impressive, those players produced and made a difference for there college, and thats what I want. Screw the combine underwear speed and the vertical leaps, give me a damn football player.

Mel Kiper has said that if he was a GM he would never draft in the first round.

On a last note about the Lions, I love there choice for Head Coach with Jim Schwartz, but you can tell the front office is still ran by idiots, they just seem more willing to listen and consider what Schwartz has to say.

How so? Martin Mayhew seems to be a competent...if not flat out good, GM. Since taking over for Mullen he has traded Roy Williams for a GREAT deal, he has hired Schwartz, he has put together an amazing coaching staff behind him, he got the Lions a Pro Bowl LB, he traded Jon Kitna (a player that was going to be traded) for a starting DB, he almost worked out a trade for the Bills guard that went to Washington (the Bills couldn't get the paperwork done in time). I like Martin Mayhew.

I think Schwartz will have the team playing tough all year, and they will win some games, but if I'm a Lions fan, I'm really unhappy with the off-season so far, outside of the revelation that they need an Offensive lineman in the first. Other than that, they haven't done a single thing to fix the line so far.

They TRIED to acquire Derrick Dockery. The Bills messed up. They also picked up G/T Loper from Tennessee. They drafted a RT last draft and will draft an OL or two this draft. The free agency is also not over. Adding an Orlando Pace type player wouldn't make sense and its hard for Detroit to sign free agents right now (which is why their largest acquisitions have been in trade).

It's the same five dingle berries who couldn't block a soul last season.

They got rid of Foster and Mulitalo and re-signed their guard (who was injured last year) who was considered one of the best Guards in the Free Agency. They also added Loper like I stated earlier.

I think Gosder Cherilus will be good, I actually wanted him more than I wanted my Panthers to take Otah, which would have been wrong, I know that now. But Cherilus will be good, so theres your Right Tackle. And there were some good bargains wit the free agent lineman. Geoff Hangartner, Ray Willis, and Duke Preston all would have been upgrades. Hangartner was probably going to the Bills regardless, but Ray Willis, a powerful run blocker who played well for Seattle last season and only happens to be 26 years old, he was shopping around. Could have put him next to Cherilus.

The Lions have been spurned by almost every Free Agent target. I believe Ray Willis was on their radar.

And the Lions need a big Center to combat the massive Defensive Tackles they see in the NFC North, and Preston is a big Center at 326lbs, and the Bills ran the ball well with him.

Raiola is one of the best OL on their line. Saying much I know.

Yes, he was a RFA with a secound round tender, but with the Eagles in need of Tackles, maybe a trade sending Jeff Backus to the Eagles could have been worked out.

Jeff Backus doesn't have much trade value.

As far as the defensive moves, ya got two old guys in Julian Peterson and Grady Jackson

Grady is a stop gap. Julian Peterson is 30 years old and a Pro Bowler. He will still be a quality player for three years.

and a Corner in Pat Buchanon who has never lived up to his potential. Congrats.

Buchanon was very solid in Tampa and they also got Henry from Dallas.

And as far as the Lions Quarterback situation, Daunte Culpepper sucks, he has always sucked,

Not true. Culpepper had success even when Moss was out, before he got injured.

and he will continue to suck. It was Randy Moss who made Daunte look good. Not the other way around. I remember given a friend of mine so much sh^t when he was happy the Dolphins(his team) traded for Culpepper instead of signing Drew Brees, and then look what happened. Anyway, I'd rather have Jon Kitna than Culpepper, and I'd rather have Rosenfels than Culpepper. I'd rather have Kyle Orton than Culpepper. I'd rather have Derek Anderson than Culpepper. I'd rather give Drew Stanton a shot than Culpepper. Bottom line, Daunte sucks. The Lions should really take a shot on a QB sometime in the first four rounds.

Matthew Stafford is looking at homes now.

Actually, here is an idea. Maybe if the Browns would want to move up and take Stafford, the Lions could trade down and acquire Brady Quinn and an extra 2nd. Or, and nobody has mentioned this, maybe the Lions should pick up the phone and see what it would take to get Matt Leinart away from the Cardinals. I haven't given up on the idea that Leniart can be a good Quarterback in the NFL.

I doubt the Browns would do that (Anderson is a big armed former Pro Bowl QB who only cost 1.5 Million dollars. Stafford is a big armed college student who would cost 35 Mil Guaranteed).

Matty hasn't shown he has the personality to be a successful QB.

[Immortalfire]

Leinart seems pretty content to hold a clipboard, get paid, and bang ASU girls for the next couple years

So it's basically like he's still in college. The only differences being getting paid, and not actually having to play the game.

[The Incredible Hulk]

allow me to address this as the resident Lions faatic here...

Trent Dilfer gave the Lions crap last night on NFL Live for not trading for Cutler, and I've seen others say that as well. Thats really unfair, if you ask me. Yes, they need a Quarterback, but they also need help all over the board, and even if they gave up the 20th pick this year, they would have been made to give up a 1st next year, a 1st they will more than likely need. And when you throw in the fact that they didn't have a Quarterback to send Denver's way, they would have had to give up even more top picks, probably one of there thirds this year. The Lions need those picks, hell they need more picks.

Dilfer, for lack of a better word, is a douche. Just because he played in the NFL and is well spoken doesnt make his opinion on personnel decisions any more valid than most fans. Ripping the Lions is easy to do. At this point, it's like making fun of a retarded child. It's an easy joke, but you look like a huge douche doing it a la Florio from PFT.

Certain writers like Drew Sharpe with the Free Press have made a career out of ripping them constantly. Before the Cutler trade every happened he no doubt had two articles pre-written. The first was in the event the Lions got Cutler and it's titled "Lions Overpay for Malcontent". The second in the event they dont get Cutler was "Lions Blow Chance to Acquire Franchsie QB." They can't win.


The thing about the Lions is, I think there trying to trade down with the wrong 1st round choice. They could probably trade down a few spots from the 20th selection, and pick up an extra 2nd and 4th/5th. They should also being trying to trade down with the Dolphins or Patriots in the second round, so they can round up a few extra 2nd round. I should mention that the second round is by far my favorite round of the draft, followed by the third round.

Most trading down doesnt occur until draft day when other teams see a guy they want is falling. They may very well trade down certain picks, but you wont see it until April 25th.


On a last note about the Lions, I love there choice for Head Coach with Jim Schwartz, but you can tell the front office is still ran by idiots, they just seem more willing to listen and consider what Schwartz has to say.

What's your basis for saying that? :confused: For all intents and purposes I thought Mayhew fleeced Jerry Jones on the Roy Williams trade.


I think Schwartz will have the team playing tough all year, and they will win some games, but if I'm a Lions fan, I'm really unhappy with the off-season so far, outside of the revelation that they need an Offensive lineman in the first. Other than that, they haven't done a single thing to fix the line so far. It's the same five dingle berries who couldn't block a soul last season.

Where do you propose we get these lineman? The Free Agent class of lineman this year was suspect at best. We tried to trade for Derrick Dockery but the Bills botched the paperwork whcih resulted in the trade getting hung up and him becoming a free agent where he in turn went to the Skins.

I think Gosder Cherilus will be good, I actually wanted him more than I wanted my Panthers to take Otah, which would have been wrong, I know that now. But Cherilus will be good, so theres your Right Tackle.

but he was one of the "dingleberries" from last year :confused:


And there were some good bargains wit the free agent lineman. Geoff Hangartner, Ray Willis, and Duke Preston all would have been upgrades.

WHo? :confused: LOL


As far as the defensive moves, ya got two old guys in Julian Peterson and Grady Jackson, and a Corner in Pat Buchanon who has never lived up to his potential. Congrats.

First off it's Ray Buchanon. Pat Buchanan was a Republican politician.

Secondly, not every free agent you sign will be a superstar. Jackson is basically a stop gap who will improve the run defense by leaps and bounds. And Peterson isn't "old". He's 30 years old, and coming off consecutive Pro Bowls.


Should have went after Chris Crocker and Colin Cole for there respective positions, DT and FS. There are plenty of Linebackers in this draft, and if they were going to shell out money for any position, it should have been Cornerback. Hell, I think the Lions should sign Pacman Jones, Schwartz has worked with him before and used him well, and the Lions literally have nothing to lose.

Schwartz doesnt like Pacman Jones and made that clear when the Titans cut him. There's no way the Lions would sign.


Actually, here is an idea. Maybe if the Browns would want to move up and take Stafford, the Lions could trade down and acquire Brady Quinn and an extra 2nd. Or, and nobody has mentioned this, maybe the Lions should pick up the phone and see what it would take to get Matt Leinart away from the Cardinals. I haven't given up on the idea that Leniart can be a good Quarterback in the NFL.

Brady Quinn has done nothing in the NFL. People need to stop hyping this guy. He has 3 NFL starts under his belt. Leinart is almost as bad. We'd be better off taking our chances with Stafford.

[BlackLantern]

So it's basically like he's still in college. The only differences being getting paid, and not actually having to play the game.

sounds pretty sweet to me

[StorminNorman]

So it's basically like he's still in college. The only differences being getting paid more, and not actually having to play the game.

;)

First off it's Ray Buchanon. Pat Buchanan was a Republican politician.

Actually Ray Buchanon is a former Falcon and current Fox Sports Radio Co-Host. Philip Buchanon is the one you are looking far.

[Mastodon123]

I think Jerry Jones is secretly a Lions fan.

[StorminNorman]

Well Matthew Stafford is from Texas. Maybe he wants to see him succeed.

[Immortalfire]

;)


LoL, for real.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Actually Ray Buchanon is a former Falcon and current Fox Sports Radio Co-Host. Philip Buchanon is the one you are looking far.

LOL thats funny. Why the hell did I type Ray? :D

BTW we mustve been typing our responses at the same time. It's kind of creepy how similar some of our answers are considering we dont agree on all too much in here. ;)

[NotFadeAway]

Matt Leinart actually played fairly well his rookie year, by overall rookie Quartback standards. I don't think Whisenhunt liked Leinart one bit, even before he took the job. Add that in with th fact that yes, Leinart has/had some growing up to do, and whats happened.

But hey, it was cool when Joe Namath was out banging chicks and getting ******.

[Caped Crusader]

Giants cut Plaxico Burress


I'm stunned

[Erzengel]

I wonder if Plaxico didn't postpone his court date if he wouldn't have been released. Hope Giants get Britt in the draft.

[Erzengel]

Even though you f'ed up Plax, I'll always remember this. :o

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4057/nflnygiants17newengland.jpg

[Darthphere]

Plax, anything you want to tell the kids?

"Yeah, buy a holster."

[Excel]

Plax to Phily :up:

No love for the big man I swear the guy who helps Randy Moss make his name

Um, you Randall Cunningham? Moss was the best wide reciever in the NFL a year before Culpepper even got drafted.

That said, Culpepper USED to be a top 3 qb for a few years there, and should be the Lions starter in week 1 even if they do take Stafford.

[Mister J]

He had a pretty good year when Jeff George was pulling the trigger for part of '99 too.

[Excel]

Seriously. Moss made his QB's #s much better, not the other way around (hell Chad Pennington wouldnt have been a blip on the radar without throwing to Moss his 1st season at Marshall). Just watch some of his tape :up: :up:


Clips from a few games:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dubnbRWrtOY

3:19 :eek:

[Darthphere]

Plax to Phily :up:

Philly loves getting troubled wide receivers.

[Dark Donnie]

Philly loves getting troubled wide receivers.

:huh:

T.O. wasn't troubled before he got to Philly

[Darthphere]

:huh:

T.O. wasn't troubled before he got to Philly

I think the Niners would disagree.

[BlackLantern]

Giants have released WR Plaxico Burress

[Mister J]

Matt Leinart actually played fairly well his rookie year, by overall rookie Quartback standards. I don't think Whisenhunt liked Leinart one bit, even before he took the job. Add that in with th fact that yes, Leinart has/had some growing up to do, and whats happened.

But hey, it was cool when Joe Namath was out banging chicks and getting ******.
It was cool because in his first three years, Joe Willie was Rookie of the Year, a two-time AFL All-Star and became the first QB to throw for 4,000 yards in a season. In the same timeframe, Leinart comes across more as a disinterested party boy whose had middle of the road to shoddy play rather than stud QB in waiting.

He can (and should) get all the tail he wants (hell, that's part of the perks), but the promise he had coming out of college seems to have gone toward holding a clipboard and biding his time until the next kegstand. I had far higher hopes/expectations for Aaron Rodgers and he sat pine for ages behind some old guy.

Obligatory Namath Pic:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1773/joenamathfeature.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joenamathfeature.jpg)

[Darthphere]

It was cool because in his first three years, Joe Willie was Rookie of the Year, a two-time AFL All-Star and became the first QB to throw for 4,000 yards in a season. In the same timeframe, Leinart comes across more as a disinterested party boy whose had middle of the road to shoddy play rather than stud QB in waiting.

He can (and should) get all the tail he wants (hell, that's part of the perks), but the promise he had coming out of college seems to have gone toward holding a clipboard and biding his time until the next kegstand. I had far higher hopes/expectations for Aaron Rodgers and he sat pine for ages behind some old guy.

Obligatory Namath Pic:
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/1773/joenamathfeature.jpg (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=joenamathfeature.jpg)

John Madden: "It's obligatory because you have to post it."

[FaT_tONle]

I think the Niners would disagree.

I think he was talking about legal problems... but to my understanding... the hearing will be June. He could get charged and do three months... not to mention a four game suspensions... that's half the season and he'd never even step on a practice field half that time let alone miss eight games. The guy will basically be a non-factor in 2009. And we all know the history of players taking a year off when (or if) they come back.

Giants need to trade up for Crabtree or one of those big guys that's all there is too it. Unless they trade for a veteran.

[StorminNorman]

LOL thats funny. Why the hell did I type Ray? :D

BTW we mustve been typing our responses at the same time. It's kind of creepy how similar some of our answers are considering we dont agree on all too much in here. ;)

Hehe yes :up: :woot:

[BlackLantern]

My best guess is that the Giants have been in touch with Burress' attorney and the outlook on the case is probably bleak....he is going to jail

[Mister J]

Good. Idiot.

[FaT_tONle]

I think the Giants missed the boat with T.O... he could have bought them a year. Now they'll have to develop a guy in the draft. Eagles probably have a better WR core then the G-Men right now... that's sad.

[StorminNorman]

How would Chad Ocho-Cinco fair under Coughlin?

[BlackLantern]

How would Chad Ocho-Cinco fair under Coughlin?

Not well....Ocho Cinco doesn't know how to act....Coughlin doesn't suffer fools

[StorminNorman]

I will be shocked in New York does not end up with a Anquan Boldin/Ocho Cinco/Braylin Edwards type of player through trade.

[BlackLantern]

Id be cool with Boldin or Edwards, though I think Boldin might stay in Arizona

[StorminNorman]

I am inclined to believe that as well, though I thought Cutler would stay in Denver. I just hope that Q takes any calls that Bidwell or Wis make towards him.

[Go Web Go!]

Id be cool with Boldin or Edwards, though I think Boldin might stay in Arizona

I think so too, but that's not stopping him from trying to force his way out.

Cardinals WR Anquan Boldin continued his eternal hope of getting out of Arizona and, perhaps, of returning home to play with the Dolphins. No doubt the Dolphins need a big-game receiver. No doubt the Dolphins would instantly be better. But .... well, I'll get to that in a second. Here's the transcipt of the pertinent parts. On whether or not he'll be in Arizona next year: "Honestly, I don't know. It's at a point right now where there's not any discussion between myself and the team. When something does happen, I'll let my agent take care it. I guess he'll converse with the GM or management..It's a tough situation and you definitely don't want this hanging over your head going into another season, especially it being a couple of years past due." On playing for the Dolphins and playing in his home state: "I would love to. You know, I'm a Florida guy, always will be a Florida guy at heart. If it happens, I'll definitely be grateful." Now let's talk why the Dolphins will never get Boldin. If you think Cutler is whining, what about Boldin? He threw a year-long fit because Larry Fitzgerald got more money last off-season. Well, as the season played out, you saw why Fitzgerrald did. Second, he's under contract next season. He can complain all he wants to about his contract. -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel

[Franklin Richards]

Memo to Jerry Jones: Please, Don't Do It Again (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/150303-jerrrrrry-dont-do-it-again)

All Cowboys fan have their...AHEM..."fond" memories of Jerry Jones working the Cowboys Draft War Room. Who can ever forget Jerry grabbing Shante Carver, Quincy "This is my team" Carter, and Chad "Whyyy meeee?" Hutchinson, trading two first-round picks for Joey Galloway, passing over Randy Moss for Greg "Whiny-Poo" Ellis, and doing likewise to Stephen Jackson for Julius Jones...just to name a few.

The following are some of Jerry Jones' stunts that I do NOT want him to pull in this year's draft...

* If/when going the best available player route, do not draft the best available players that Jerry thinks are the best available players. Instead, draft the best available players.
* Stay away from baseball players. QC, Hutch, Henson et al comprise more than enough baseball players for any NFL franchise's history. But if Jerry just can't resist the urge, at least draft GOOD baseball players, not flops...and preferably (if he must) draft ones that have been on 'roids. Thus, some may have some "adaptable-to-football" muscles. Somewhere among Giambi, Clemens, Bonds, A-Roid, McGuire and Canseco just may lie a back-up special teams gunner. Although, we now know why QC had so much "speed."
* Do not trade down just for sake of collecting more picks that Jerry will use to draft even more slugs.
* Related to the previous item, do not trade down just to garner 3,869 picks at the bottom of the seventh round. Note to Jerry: You can get all those slugs for free just by waiting a milli-second post-draft, when they're all undrafted free agents. Another Note to Jerry: The prime directive of the draft is to maximize the improvement of your team, not to just wheel n deal & collect picks. At some point, it is imperative that you actually draft someone...preferably someone who can play...even better if they can play well.
* Do not not draft a player at a position of need just because Jerry says it's not a position of need when everyone who's not a Cowboys' homer/fantasy dreamer knows that it is. Specifically...DRAFT A FRIGGIN WR!

What are some of your "most fond" Jerry-Draft memories?

What do you NOT want Jerry to do again?


I don't want Jerry to try and make a deal for Plaxico. :D




:thing: :doom: :thing:

[BlackLantern]

Not everyone wants to or is fit to play under the microscope that is NY

[Immortalfire]

How would Chad Ocho-Cinco fair under Coughlin?

Same as in Cincy. He doesn't get the ball, he whines. Only I don't think Coughlin would put up with it.

[El_Citrus]

Ocho-Cinco would thrive in the NY media, but him and Coughlin would be like bringing a torch and can of gas together and expecting them to get along.

Edwards would be a downgrade from the previous #17 in NY

Boldin would be interesting as it seems he just needs more money to make him happy. If he went to the G-men, they are a virtual lock for the Super Bowl.

[Darthphere]

In the long list of terrible crimes committed by NFL players, shooting yourself with an unregistered handgun is pretty tame.

[Mastodon123]

I'd be shocked if Ocho-Cinco somehow ended up in Chi-town.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, unless the Bungles are just going to giftwrap him and drop him off at Chicago's doorstep...not happening.

[Dark Donnie]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Brian-Dawkins-to-give-tickets-to-fired-Eagles-em?urn=nfl,152812

Brian Dawkins to give tickets to fired Eagles employee

By Chris Chase

Last month, Dan Leone was fired from his part-time job with the Philadelphia Eagles after criticizing the team for letting veteran Brian Dawkins leave via free agency. Leone was a seasonal game day employee, which meant he worked during the Eagles' 10 home dates each season. His termination meant he would have been unlikely to attend any of those games in 2009. But now help is coming from an unexpected source.

Dawkins signed with the Denver Broncos, who happen to be playing in Philly this season. Since each visiting player gets two tickets to away games, the 35-year-old defensive back decided to give his allotment for the contest in Philadephia to Leone. Dawkins told the Philadelphia Daily News:

"I thought it'd be a good gesture. Had I not ... signed with Denver, that guy would still have his job. Obviously, he made a decision and out of emotion said something. He was one of probably thousands and thousands of Eagles fans who felt that way. That didn't surprise me, that someone said that on their Facebook. It did surprise me that he was let go, though ... I felt it would be a good thing, to reach out to that individual and just let him know how much I appreciate it.''

Well played, Brian Dawkins. It's becoming clear to see why most people in Philly didn't want to see a class act like Dawkins leave town.

[Dark Donnie]

I think the Giants missed the boat with T.O... he could have bought them a year. Now they'll have to develop a guy in the draft. Eagles probably have a better WR core then the G-Men right now... that's sad.

While we have no true number one, Curtis and Jackson are still pretty damn good.

[Excel]

Chad Johnson is NOT as bad as Burress in terms of getting on Coughlins nerves. He doesnt give a **** what you say as long as you show up and play; hell he finses you if you show EARLY or late; Burress straight up wouldnt show period. Johnsons work ethic and play has never been questioned.

[StorminNorman]

I really think Ocho Cinco will be a Giant.

[Darthphere]

A God among insects.

[The Incredible Hulk]

But hey, it was cool when Joe Namath was out banging chicks and getting ******.

well when Matt Leinart wins a Super Bowl against a team that's favored by double digits and legitimizes an entire conference of pro football, then Leinart can do whatever he wants.

[Darthphere]

Or whoever he wants.

[BlackLantern]

Or whoever he wants.

...he's already doing that

[Darthphere]

...he's already doing that

I don't count college girls. I mean, once he starts banging supermodels, call me.

[Excel]

didnt he get with paris?

[Darthphere]

Are you saying Paris is a supermodel?

[BlackLantern]

I don't count college girls. I mean, once he starts banging supermodels, call me.

It's still much better trim than anyone on this board has seen....so I think it does count

[Excel]

Bradys the only one getting any super model ass, everybody knows that. you hold leinart to too high a standard.

[Darthphere]

It's still much better trim than anyone on this board has seen....so I think it does count

You underestimate the drunk girl pickup skills of the Hype.

Bradys the only one getting any super model ass, everybody knows that. you hold leinart to too high a standard.

Look man, Marko Jaric married Adriana Lima. It really isn't that high of a standard.

[BlackLantern]

Eli married his college sweetheart (lame), I think McNabb did the same, Kyle Orton apparently loves club rats and road beef....

[Excel]

Look man, Marko Jaric married Adriana Lima. It really isn't that high of a standard.

thats called game :cwink:

[Darthphere]

thats called game :cwink:

It had to go somewhere because it sure isn't on the court.

[Dr. Evil]

Steelers want to bring Leftwich and Batch back:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09093/960294-66.stm?cmpid=steelers.xml

[Go Web Go!]

It had to go somewhere because it sure isn't on the court.

Hiyooo.

[Darthphere]

Hiyooo.

Seriously though. Seriously.

[NotFadeAway]

[QUOTE=The Incredible Hulk;16701199]well when Matt Leinart wins a Super Bowl against a team that's favored by double digits and legitimizes an entire conference of pro football, then Leinart can do whatever he wants.[/QUOTE

Fair enough!!!

[rdh007]

Eli married his college sweetheart (lame), I think McNabb did the same, Kyle Orton apparently loves club rats and road beef....

...and Peyton was last seen headed off to a Kenny Chesney concert alone.

Also, how will the rats in Denver compare to those in Chi-Town? Food for thought.

[BlackLantern]

Denver is semi-classy so Orton might actually see an improvement in quality of club rat

[SurfDUI]

Kyle Orton apparently loves club rats and road beef....

road...beef!

:woot:Quality of strage I think would improve in MileHigh, but the choice of flavor I'd think he'd miss-tail of all colors in the Chi, and Bears are down by law there.

[FaT_tONle]

While we have no true number one, Curtis and Jackson are still pretty damn good.

Yeah but they have no size... I don't even know who they have at tight end for that matter. If McNabb is having a so-so game and isn't pin point and Westbrook is contained... they become a bottom ten offense. And their secondary will take a major step back this year. Until they go out and make a deal for a possession guy like Boldin I won't take them seriously. Same with the Giants. Until they get Eli Manning some help I am picking both those teams to finish third and fourth next year in no particular order.

[Excel]

Phily needs a redzone threat, period. McNabb will get it down field with whoever

[NotFadeAway]

Theres a rumor right now that the Bengals have sent Chad Johnson to the Raiders for a secound round pick and Michael Bush.

[Dr. Evil]

Rams sign Kyle Boller to backup Bulger
Texans sign Cato June

[Dr. Evil]

Colts could be homeless in 2009:

http://www.theindychannel.com/money/19090648/detail.html#-

[El_Citrus]

Rams sign Kyle Boller to backup Bulger
Texans sign Cato June

I wanted to sign Cato June to the Texans in the Mock Draft thread but couldn't since we weren't allowed free agents.

[Cunning Stunts]

Theres a rumor right now that the Bengals have sent Chad Johnson to the Raiders for a secound round pick and Michael Bush.

Can you imagine Michael Vick and Chad Johnson (if they both get picked up)? I'll be the first to admit both are overrated, but Vick's got a cannon arm and Johnson's fast as sin, so that just might be what the Raiders need to actually make a teeny dent in their division.

[StorminNorman]

Can you imagine Michael Vick and Chad Johnson (if they both get picked up)? I'll be the first to admit both are overrated, but Vick's got a cannon arm and Johnson's fast as sin, so that just might be what the Raiders need to actually make a teeny dent in their division.

Michael Vick hasn't been overrated since 2005.

[NewYorkSpider]

Theres a rumor right now that the Bengals have sent Chad Johnson to the Raiders for a secound round pick and Michael Bush.

You heard that rumor at BleacherReport didn't you? They're not to be trusted.

[Go Web Go!]

Colts could be homeless in 2009:

http://www.theindychannel.com/money/19090648/detail.html#-

They can always go back to the RCA Dome...


Oh.


Wait.

:csad:

[Kaiser]

I don't count college girls. I mean, once he starts banging supermodels, call me.

collge girls >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supermodels.

[Darthphere]

collge girls >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supermodels.

Ridiculous.

[Immortalfire]

college girls >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supermodels.

Truth.

[rdh007]

I've often believed that supermodels are not the alpha and omega of conquest. In fact, I believe them to be more status symbol than actual achievement in "dating". An "enthusiastic" college girl would be infinitely more fun to "date" than a self-centered, bulimic model.

[The Incredible Hulk]

collge girls >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supermodels.


yeah who needs Adrianna Lima when you can get a girl who's 20 pounds overweight who can belch the national anthem!

[Darthphere]

yeah who needs Adrianna Lima when you can get a girl who's 20 pounds overweight who can belch the national anthem!

Logic.

[Dr. Evil]

Raiders could sign Jeff Garcia

[That-Guy]

I've often believed that supermodels are not the alpha and omega of conquest. In fact, I believe them to be more status symbol than actual achievement in "dating". An "enthusiastic" college girl would be infinitely more fun to "date" than a self-centered, bulimic model.

Yeah, some guys think supermodels are the end-all, be-all of the dating world, but I'd personally rather go with hot, famous actresses. Lower risk of eating disorders, there's a chance they might be able to carry on an interesting conversation and they're not all 6'8".

[That-Guy]

Rams sign Kyle Boller to backup Bulger


...and the Rams cement another season of futility.

[Kaiser]

yeah who needs Adrianna Lima when you can get a girl who's 20 pounds overweight who can belch the national anthem!

as long as those 20 lbs are in the right places then im ok with that. better than banging a rail with a butter face.

[NewYorkSpider]

Raiders could sign Jeff Garcia

I'm surprised Garcia isn't waiting untill after the draft.

[El_Citrus]

collge girls >>>>>>>>>>>>>> supermodels.

This statement is 100% Citrus approved.

[BlackLantern]

Raiders could sign Jeff Garcia

is there no other team that was interested??

[StorminNorman]

yeah who needs Adrianna Lima when you can get a girl who's 20 pounds overweight who can belch the national anthem!

You need to find different college girls.

[Dr. Evil]

is there no other team that was interested??

Nope. It's official now.

[NewYorkSpider]

Jeff Garcia is an idiot. He should've waited untill after the draft.

[StorminNorman]

It's possible Oakland was number one on Garcia's list simply due to location.

[BlackLantern]

Colts could be homeless in 2009:

http://www.theindychannel.com/money/19090648/detail.html#-

wow...I initially thought it was because Lucas Oil might be in trouble and it seems to be that they don't have money simply to cover the operating costs of the facility.....guess all those plasmas in the luxury boxes run the light bill up to high

[NewYorkSpider]

ESPN Insider is reporting that there are 5 teams interested in Ocho Cinco.

Giants, Raiders and Jets are three of those teams.

[StorminNorman]

The Giants have a first round pick, two seconds and two thirds. They have the ammo to make a deal.

[El_Citrus]

ESPN Insider is reporting that there are 5 teams interested in Ocho Cinco.

Giants, Raiders and Jets are three of those teams.

The other NY team I didn't think about. Ocho Cinco could still thrive with the NY media without clashing with Coughlin who I don't see putting up with his antics very well. Cincy could benefit from getting another first round pick, but who's Palmer gonna throw to? Crabtree and Nicks?

[StorminNorman]

The Bengals drafted two WR's early in the last draft.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Giants have a first round pick, two seconds and two thirds. They have the ammo to make a deal.

Should the Giants take a risk on Ocho Cinco? A Super Bowl calibur team doesn't need distractions.

The other NY team I didn't think about. Ocho Cinco could still thrive with the NY media without clashing with Coughlin who I don't see putting up with his antics very well. Cincy could benefit from getting another first round pick, but who's Palmer gonna throw to? Crabtree and Nicks?


I think they use those picks on the offensive line and defense. Worry about WR/RB later on.

[StorminNorman]

Should the Giants take a risk on Ocho Cinco? A Super Bowl calibur team doesn't need distractions.

Yes. Ocho Cinco is a good teammate who just happens to like celebrating. He isn't a slacker and he has never been detrimental to his team.

[Excel]

Ocho Cinco has been a superb teammate. Hes the 1st one congratulating Housh for any TD and loves Palmer. His beef has always been about his contract. Shoudl he go to Oakland, that might be what it takes to make em a playoff contender. They'll snag a stud ot at 7 so Russell will have time to throw, McD and Fargas (Bush will be traded to Cinci for Ocho according to the rumor) will have plenty of room.

Theyd have a pretty solid offense right there.

But Ocho Cinco needs to get his ass to Phily NOW.

[Go Web Go!]

How long before the Bucs regret throwing all this money at a guy who hasn't been healthy or consistent since coming into the league?

Kellen Winslow has signed a six-year contract extension with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers that could pay as much as $42.1 million, FOXSports.com has learned.

According to agent Drew Rosenhaus, Winslow's $36.1 million contract includes $20.1 million in guaranteed money — an NFL record for a tight end — as well as an additional $6 million that can be earned through incentives.

The Bucs acquired Winslow in February from Cleveland for a 2009 second-round pick and a 2010 fifth-rounder.

The No. 6 overall selection in the 2004 draft, Winslow emerged as one of the NFL's top all-around tight ends despite injuries that limited him to two games in his first two seasons. But the fiery Winslow had a tumultuous relationship with Browns management and was never given a chance to forge a relationship with new head coach Eric Mangini before being traded.

Winslow, 25, reached the Pro Bowl in 2007 after notching 82 receptions for 1,106 yards and five touchdowns.

[StorminNorman]

They would only regret it if it negatively impacted the team (because of cap space).

But since the bucs are trying to simply get above the cap floor, they won't regret it at all.