2009 NFL Thread

[NewYorkSpider]

I like the new Lions logo.

[Raiden]

and Dan Patrick....he's slumming over at SI.com....he deserves it...Patrick is a total DBag and ESPN told him to kick rocks when he thought he was worth more than he really was

Agree on Patrick. I used to like him on ESPN and enjoyed the various commercials he did with celebs, but now I don't like him as much anymore. I listen to his radio show in the morning occasionally, but I like Colin Cowherd of ESPN radio much more.

[Go Web Go!]

New Lions logo. Looks kind of the same.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/KALEL114/nfl_lions_600.jpg

Old Logo
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/KALEL114/Lions2000.png

And uniforms -

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/790Pirate/313_large5.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g83/790Pirate/321_large6.jpg

[El_Citrus]

Apparently Sheldon Brown wants a trade. This might work into an Arizona trade or could stockpile more draft picks if Philly trades away their last First round pick for Boldin.

[Kaleb]

I could see the saints making a deal for Sheldon Brown.

[NewYorkSpider]

Apparently Sheldon Brown wants a trade. This might work into an Arizona trade or could stockpile more draft picks if Philly trades away their last First round pick for Boldin.

They just said on the Sportscenter Special that Philly is most likely to keep their other fist rounder. (That's if I read it correctly)

[Dark Donnie]

They just said on the Sportscenter Special that Philly is most likely to keep their other fist rounder. (That's if I read it correctly)

While that will likely happen. They are still going to explore getting Boldin I believe. Joe Banner (Eagles Pres) said they wouldn't be against trading there other first if they got an impact player in return.

[Kaleb]

While that will likely happen. They are still going to explore getting Boldin I believe. Joe Banner (Eagles Pres) said they wouldn't be against trading there other first if they got an impact player in return.

Eh ? Eagles have 3 first round picks ? , last time I heard they used one of their first round picks on Jason Peters.

[Dark Donnie]

Eh ? Eagles have 3 first round picks ? , last time I heard they used one of their first round picks on Jason Peters.


They have another first round pick. What I was saying was The Team President wasn't against trading the remaining first round pick if it upgraded the team. He more or less said "if a team can walk out of the draft and get Boldin and Peters (with those two firsts), that's a pretty good draft."

[BlackLantern]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30311040/

the LA Arena league team is leaving....any argument that LA should get another NFL team is officially null and void

[KALEL114]

It's official, Holt is a Jaguar.
Three-year deal worth roughly $20 million.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/20/jaguars-sign-veteran-wr-holt/

[Excel]

It's official, Holt is a Jaguar.
Three-year deal worth roughly $20 million.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/04/20/jaguars-sign-veteran-wr-holt/

:dry:

[Showtime]

As long as the Lions don't bring back those black alternates then I will be happy.

Just watched some of the Raiders-Patriots Snow Bowl. What a game that was.

[Immortalfire]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30311040/

the LA Arena league team is leaving....any argument that LA should get another NFL team is officially null and void

:lmao:

[El_Citrus]

Hmm, with rumblings that Sheldon Brown wants a trade and Philly willing to trade up to get Moreno, I wonder if New Orleans might start showing interest in Knowshon to try and get a trade with Philly for Sheldon Brown and swapping first round picks. Gah, Friday's gonna be a mess trying to finish up my Mock Draft depending on any other trades/signings that happen this week.

[Go Web Go!]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30311040/

the LA Arena league team is leaving....any argument that LA should get another NFL team is officially null and void

The LA Avengers? Say it ain't so. :csad:

[cyborg ninja 14]

New Lions logo. Looks kind of the same.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/KALEL114/nfl_lions_600.jpg

Old Logo
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/KALEL114/Lions2000.png

Looking more Aslan and less Mufasa I see.

[Cmill216]

It's like someone flipped a light switch near the old logo, and it illuminated the details to reveal the new logo.

[vindrow]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30311040/

the LA Arena league team is leaving....any argument that LA should get another NFL team is officially null and void



Well, this just officially ruined the NFL draft for me....how can I enjoy the draft knowing that LA will no longer have an arena team...first LA then the rest will bow out and arena football will be no more.:woot:

[Raiden]

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/30311040/

the LA Arena league team is leaving....any argument that LA should get another NFL team is officially null and void

Nobody cares about arena football, not just L.A. fans. Besides, I doubt the league will survive for long, anyway. This really has nothing to do with NFL in Los Angeles.

[Immortalfire]

Nobody cares about arena football,

They ought to..it's the most up close and personal, fan friendly league on the planet. I love it :up:

It'll be back in 2010.

[KALEL114]

:dry:
My thoughts exactly.

[KALEL114]

They ought too..it's the most up close and personal, fan friendly league on the planet. I love it :up:

It'll be back in 2010.

I agree. I had a lot of fun at the games here. I hope it is back in 2010.

[BlackLantern]

LA has had 2 chances at an NFL franchise...why should they get a third? I'd sooner see an NFL team in Iowa or Kansas

[Immortalfire]

LA has had 2 chances at an NFL franchise...why should they get a third? I'd sooner see an NFL team in Iowa or Kansas

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/chiefs.jpg

[BlackLantern]

Kansas City is in Missouri...and people wonder why I joke about the South

[Immortalfire]

*looks it up........*


What?! But it's in Kansas too...Those sneaky bastards. :cmad:

[Immortalfire]

Matt Ryan to be in a "This Is SportsCenter" spot.. http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2009/04/20/matt_ryan_espn_ad.html

[Excel]

Adrian Peterson is gonna have a huge year (shocker)

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/scratch-peterson-from-the-madden-curse-watch-list/

[Dr. Evil]

Two teams interested in JP Losman:

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/04/22/two-teams-have-expressed-interest-in-losman/

[Dark Donnie]

Adrian Peterson is gonna have a huge year (shocker)

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/22/scratch-peterson-from-the-madden-curse-watch-list/

Watch out Fitzgerald and Polamalu fans as those two are next on the list.

[Dark Donnie]

Eagles in talks with Cleveland to send Shawn Andrews and Sheldon to Cleveland for the 5th Pick and Braylon.

[Excel]

Eagles in talks with Cleveland to send Shawn Andrews and Sheldon to Cleveland for the 5th Pick and Braylon.

:wow: And theyd keep #21?

EDIT: Nope. They would be dumb to do this.

[El_Citrus]

If Philly does make that trade, either BJ Raji or Andre Smith will be an Eagle. That still leaves them without a RB which they MIGHT find in the second round unless they trade up.

[Cmill216]

Tony Gonzalez is a Falcon.

[Mister J]

For a 2010 2nd Rounder? That's all it took?

Eh.

[BlackLantern]

holy crap....Atlanta is officially dangerous

[Immortalfire]

Tell me of this Gonzalez fellow :huh:

[Excel]

One Matty Ice is happy while one is furious.

[El_Citrus]

I could still see them taking a TE in the second round this year to learn under Gonzalez but wow, big move for Atlanta.

[Immortalfire]

Hmm...1,058 yards, 10 touchdowns for him with KC last year. He's had 2 1000 yard seasons in 3 years with the Chiefs. Not too bad.

[BlackLantern]

Hmm...1,058 yards, 10 touchdowns for him with KC last year. He's had 2 1000 yard seasons in 3 years with the Chiefs. Not too bad.

just your run of the mill role player, eh Fire??

we know you're dancing a jig on the inside

[El_Citrus]

just your run of the mill role player, eh Fire??

we know you're doing the Dirty Bird on the inside

Fixed. :hehe:

[Dark Donnie]

Tony G has gone on record saying this is likely his last year (he said he would play 2 years last year) so I'm not surprised that's all it took.

[Immortalfire]

After doing some research, final verdict: great pick up :up:

[Dark Donnie]

:wow: And theyd keep #21?

EDIT: Nope. They would be dumb to do this.

I'd hate the move for The Eagles.

[Immortalfire]

Fixed. :hehe:

Do not ever mention that thing again.

[BlackLantern]

Do not ever mention that thing again.

what thing? the Dirty Bird? I thought the Bird is the word....o mow mow o mow mow mow

[Immortalfire]

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[El_Citrus]

Do not ever mention that thing again.

Why? Because you danced to it in your underwear? I think NOT.

[kane9321]

Tony Gonzalez is a Falcon.

holy crap:wow:

[KALEL114]

The Carolina Panthers have signed Jake Delhomme to a five-year extension that keeps quarterback under contract through the 2014 season.

While details weren't immediately available Thursday, NFL.com's Steve Wyche reports the deal to be worth $42.5 million, with $20 million guaranteed. The move also clears needed salary-cap space for the Panthers.

The extension comes just over three months after Delhomme had the worst game of his 11-year NFL career, throwing five interceptions and losing a fumble in the Panthers' 33-13 loss to the Arizona Cardinals in the NFC divisional playoffs. But Panthers coach John Fox and general manager Marty Hurney had expressed strong support for Delhomme, who has been the team's starter since 2002.

The move also gives Carolina some breathing room under the salary cap, which is weighed down by defensive end Julius Peppers' franchise-tag tender worth $16.7 million over one year.

[Immortalfire]

Hmm....that's quite a lot. Guess they know something I don't.

[Excel]

The Carolina Panthers have signed Jake Delhomme to a five-year extension that keeps quarterback under contract through the 2014 season.

While details weren't immediately available Thursday, NFL.com's Steve Wyche reports the deal to be worth $42.5 million, with $20 million guaranteed.

Waste.

[RAMORE]

Chiefs trade Gonzalez for 2010 draft pickComment Email Print Share ESPN.com news services

ATLANTA -- The Atlanta Falcons obtained tight end Tony Gonzalez from the Kansas City Chiefs on Thursday for a draft pick next year.


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The Chiefs trade TE Tony Gonzalez to the Falcons.

The Falcons will send a second-round pick in 2010 to Kansas City in exchange for Gonzalez, the only tight end in NFL history selected to 10 Pro Bowls, the Chiefs announced.

Gonzalez caught 96 passes for 1,058 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2008. He owns NFL career records for tight ends with 916 receptions, 10,940 yards receiving, 76 TDs receiving and 26 100-yard receiving games.

Chiefs chairman Clark Hunt called Gonzalez "one of the finest players in Chiefs history."

A person with knowledge of the negotiations said the Falcons have reached agreement with Gonzalez on a new contract. The person requested anonymity because the agreement has not been announced.

"It's somewhat bittersweet," Gonzalez told FOXSports.com. "I love Kansas City. I grew up in Kansas City. The city means a lot to me. I got there when I turned 21. It will be sad to leave a city I love.


Among good-hands people
Tight end Tony Gonzalez has remained among the NFL's primary passing targets, who are all receivers. Most receptions since 2005:


T.J. Houshmandzadeh 372
Larry Fitzgerald 368
Reggie Wayne 355
Torry Holt 352
Steve Smith 351
Tony Gonzalez 346

"But I'm looking forward to making a Super Bowl run in Atlanta every year for the next three or four years. With Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, Roddy White and now myself, we have the chance to be in the top five in the league in offense every year. How could I not be excited to join that team?"

The 33-year-old Gonzalez asked to be traded last October. But then-general manager Carl Peterson said no team Gonzalez was willing to go to made a good enough offer.

General manager Scott Pioli said it wasn't easy to trade the star, who played in 188 regular-season games for Kansas City.

"From an organizational as well as personal standpoint there are mixed emotions," Pioli said. "I have the highest personal and professional respect for Tony and consider him to be a future Pro Football Hall of Famer."

The trade addresses one of the Falcons' top needs, freeing the organization to make defense the top priority in this weekend's draft.

The Falcons expect to receive compensatory picks next year for losing several free agents, including cornerback Domonique Foxworth and linebackers Michael Boley and Keith Brooking, making it easier for the team to trade the second-round pick to the Chiefs.

Gonzalez will join Pro Bowl receiver Roddy White to give the Falcons another top target for 2008 NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year Matt Ryan.

"Every team in this league dreams of having Tony Gonzalez run out of the tunnel for them," Falcons general manager Thomas Dimitroff said.

[RAMORE]

Crazy good move for atlanta! Crazy bad move for carolina!

[That-Guy]

The Broncos are reportedly interested in J.P. Loss-Man.

I'm wondering if McDaniels is going to make it the whole way through the next season before he gets fired.

[NotFadeAway]

Be warned, I was already in a bad mood before I just found out about the Delhomme deal, and I've been irritated in the Panthers all off-season, so I'm about to go on one big f-ing rant.

I have supported John Fox during his entire tenure with the Panthers, he saved us from the 1-15 mess we were with George Sea-fart. I've always thought we could do better than Marty Hurney for a GM, and every year that feeling increased slightly, but I wasn't going to pout about it. But as of today, I want both men GONE.

The Delhomme deal is one of the biggest jokes this off-season. Tommy Kelly 2.0. I understand we need the cap space because of Peppers, and I understand that Peppers isn't helping us by not signing his tender, but you know what, franchises with good management, with aggressive management, find ways around these scenario's, you lethargic pieces of crap. So now, we have given a 34 year old Quarterback who has only been above average $20 million garunteed. Good luck re-signing DeAngelo Williams or Thomas Davis now, you idiots. Like I said, we needed cap room because of Peppers, but good management can fix that in a hurry.

And it seems as if the Panthers think they can win now with the squad we have. We can't, I'm a realistic fan, and I'm about to burst some bubbles. We aren't talented enough, and everyone around us is getting better. We have a great O-line, a great RB tandem, and a superstar wideout and MLB. Thats it. We have a corner in Gamble who could be great if he was allowed to play man to man. We need a DT, DE, OLB, 3rd CB, another DT, and a QB of the future. We are not good enough as a team, we played over our heads last year. The talent on this squad scream 9-7. And we don't have a 1st round pick, and I love JStew, but we could have had Otah in the 1st last year, Forte in the 2nd, and kept this years 1st. And again, I love JStew, but that was an overall dumb decision. I HATE giving away picks, and this is why. We could sure use that pick right about now. I can't wait until we get our a$$es kicked by a hungry, aggressive Eagles team on opening day.

And another thing, I'm sick of the passive, conservative overall approach this team takes. All around the league, teams are getting better, getting fiery coaches who want players full of p*ss and vinegar and ready to beat up on other teams. I want us to be like that. I'm so envious of other teams right now. And we aren't, and thats finally gotten under my skin. The last couple seasons, since 2005, combined with the ugly playoff game and this off-season, it's broken me. And the fact that they want to keep Peppers makes me f-ing sick. I'll never forget when little Maurice Jones-Drew stiff armed Peppers lazy ass and flipped him in mid air.

Thanks for everything you did John Fox, but good bye, and screw you Marty Hurney, you were never truly cut out to be an NFL GM anyway.

Atleast the next coach will have solid pieces to build around. Our O-line is good, young, and under contract for some time. Jonathan Stewart will be here. Sadly, we probably won't be able to re-sign Williams, I always knew that guy was going to be great, I knew it. I wish the Panthers had known it as well, we would have a first round pick right now. BUT, again, Stewart is a damn talented back in his own right. We will have Jon Beason, and hopefully Chris Gamble will be used right by the next staff. Chris Harris is solid, Charles Johnson has a vast amount of potential, as does Hilee Taylor. And of course, Steve Smith, although for some reason I can see a new regime dangling him as trade bait. The next regime will have to figure a way out of this horrid Delhommre deal.

Oh, and I'd rather have a guy like Chad Pennington at Quarterback than Jake Delhomme. I think Smitty and Moose would be more dangerous running shorter, sharper routes with an accurate QB throwing there way. Thats just me though, I've always liked shorter, more accuracy based passing attacks. My favorite QB of all time is Joe Montana, who mind you is the best QB of all time. I miss Steve Beurlein, the best Panther QB in franchise history.

As far as coaches next season, I'd like a number of guys. Rob Ryan, Sean McDermott, Brian Schottenheimer, Kyle Shanahan, and if you want to go older, Mike Shanahan. I love Marty Schottenheimer to death, and I think he deserves a Super Bowl win, but thats jumping right back into conservative game planning, although defensively Marty is more aggressive than Fox.

[NewYorkSpider]

John Fox and Marty Hurney brought you Jonathan Stewart and Jeff Otah last season. I don't know why you would think they need the boot. They've also drafted Julius Peppers, Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams and Jordan Gross. The Delhomme deal isn't as bad as you make it out to be. The Panthers in '07 were nothing without Delhomme. They went back and forth between QB's to a 7-9 record. Imagine if Delhomme was the starter all year. The Panthers are 21-9 playing in divison games with Delhomme as their starter. Delhomme has also led this team to three playoff appearances, 2 NFC Championship games and 1 Super Bowl. Steve Beurlein the best QB in Panther history? :lmao: Here's another little stat you should know. Since 2003, Jake Delhomme has won 54 of his starts (regular season and postseason). That would make him 6th behind, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Rothlisberger, Donavan McNabb and Brett Favre. If Panther fans are really up in arms about his playoff performance against the Cardinals, then they're completely ignorant. The entire team didn't click, which included the defense. 2-3 of those INT were out of desperation to score. As far as the deal goes, the length is ridiculous, but it's basically a 2-3 year deal anyway.

[NotFadeAway]

John Fox and Marty Hurney brought you Jonathan Stewart and Jeff Otah last season. I don't know why you would think they need the boot. They've also drafted Julius Peppers, Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams and Jordan Gross. The Delhomme deal isn't as bad as you make it out to be. The Panthers in '07 were nothing without Delhomme. They went back and forth between QB's to a 7-9 record. Imagine if Delhomme was the starter all year. The Panthers are 21-9 playing in divison games with Delhomme as their starter. Delhomme has also led this team to three playoff appearances, 2 NFC Championship games and 1 Super Bowl. Steve Beurlein the best QB in Panther history? :lmao: Here's another little stat you should know. Since 2003, Jake Delhomme has won 54 of his starts (regular season and postseason). That would make him 6th behind, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Ben Rothlisberger, Donavan McNabb and Brett Favre. If Panther fans are really up in arms about his playoff performance against the Cardinals, then they're completely ignorant. The entire team didn't click, which included the defense. 2-3 of those INT were out of desperation to score. As far as the deal goes, the length is ridiculous, but it's basically a 2-3 year deal anyway.

First off, I've calmed down now. I flew off the handle in that last post.

Second, it was George Seifert and Jack Bushof that drafted Steve Smith. Hurney was only the Director of Operations then. That draft also included Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, Jarrod Cooper, and Chris Wienke(lol). And Dee Brown did win us a game in 2002 against Cleveland, replacing Lamar Smith.

Third, don't laugh at Steve Beurlein, he did a good job for us. Seifert gave him a very, very raw deal. I've always wondered how he would have done with the teams Delhomme has played with? Beurlein and Wesley Walls, two of my all time favorite Panthers.

Fourth, I love both Otah and Stewart as players. Otah is, in my mind, the next Willie Anderson, and Stewart is a helluva Running Back. But we didn't NEED to take Stewart in the 1st round. We NEEDED to take Jeff Otah. Then, and now, I would have taken Otah at #13, and then taken Matt Forte with our 2nd round pick, we were ahead of the Bears. Now, I loved watching Matt Forte play in College, and he did great for the Bears, so I may be biased. And this is nothing against Stewart, I just hate giving away draft picks, and we didn't have to in this case. It also boggles my mind that the coaching staff didn't see how talented DeAngelo Williams was until after this decision was made. I knew Williams would be a big deal.

Fifth, I'm more than happy to have Jake back as our QB next season. Our offense is just fine, we have a talented young O-line, a two headed beast at RB, Steve Smith, the always dependable Muhammed, and a QB who knows how to win in Jake. But, our defense needs ALOT of help. Agan, we need a DE, DT, OLB, 3rd CB, maybe another DE. Our defense sucked down the stretch last season, and the way the defense was ran sucked. I cannot stand the soft defenses that we ran last season. I was so hoping Del Rio got fired in Jacksonville so he could come back and save our Defense. Attack, attack, and attack some more. No more finesse defense. We need to match Gamble and Marshall up one on one with wideouts, no more zone coverages. I want to be more like the Eagles, not the Bucs.

Sixth, I think the thing that bugs me most about the Jake contract is it basically says, "were keeping Peppers", which sucks. He doesn't want to be here, and as a fan, I don't want him there. I want some picks damnit, so we can more on with our franchise. I can't believe teams are talking about giving up a 1st for a Wideout like Braylon Edwards, who has the dropsies, but we can't get a wiff for Peppers. And it doesn't seem like Furney is even eager to deal him, they seem like they want to keep him, which is dumb.

Seventh, it occured to me about an hour ago that the Delhomme deal doesn't matter if the league goes uncapped. I've read several sources say that the Panthers will be just fine without a salary cap.

[NewYorkSpider]

Second, it was George Seifert and Jack Bushof that drafted Steve Smith. Hurney was only the Director of Operations then. That draft also included Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins, Jarrod Cooper, and Chris Wienke(lol). And Dee Brown did win us a game in 2002 against Cleveland, replacing Lamar Smith.

I forgot Steve Smith was drafted in '01. The Chris Weinke expierement was just a disaster waiting to happen. Wienke was one of those great College QB's that would be horrible in the NFL.

Third, don't laugh at Steve Beurlein, he did a good job for us. Seifert gave him a very, very raw deal. I've always wondered how he would have done with the teams Delhomme has played with? Beurlein and Wesley Walls, two of my all time favorite Panthers.

I wasn't laughing at Beurlein. I was laughing at you because you thought he was the greatest QB in Panther history. If you believe that, then I STRONGLY disagree with you. Beurlein would've been pretty good with the team they have now. Greatest Panther, IMO, was Sam Mills.

Fourth, I love both Otah and Stewart as players. Otah is, in my mind, the next Willie Anderson, and Stewart is a helluva Running Back. But we didn't NEED to take Stewart in the 1st round. We NEEDED to take Jeff Otah. Then, and now, I would have taken Otah at #13, and then taken Matt Forte with our 2nd round pick, we were ahead of the Bears. Now, I loved watching Matt Forte play in College, and he did great for the Bears, so I may be biased. And this is nothing against Stewart, I just hate giving away draft picks, and we didn't have to in this case. It also boggles my mind that the coaching staff didn't see how talented DeAngelo Williams was until after this decision was made. I knew Williams would be a big deal.

Last years draft was the most brilliant planning by a coach/GM that I've seen. The Panthers were very high on Ryan Clady at the time, but he was selected one spot before us to Denver. They then decided that RB would be the best option, then trade up to get a OT (which was Otah). I'm not complaining about what they did last year in the draft. It was worth it IMO.

Fifth, I'm more than happy to have Jake back as our QB next season. Our offense is just fine, we have a talented young O-line, a two headed beast at RB, Steve Smith, the always dependable Muhammed, and a QB who knows how to win in Jake. But, our defense needs ALOT of help. Agan, we need a DE, DT, OLB, 3rd CB, maybe another DE. Our defense sucked down the stretch last season, and the way the defense was ran sucked. I cannot stand the soft defenses that we ran last season. I was so hoping Del Rio got fired in Jacksonville so he could come back and save our Defense. Attack, attack, and attack some more. No more finesse defense. We need to match Gamble and Marshall up one on one with wideouts, no more zone coverages. I want to be more like the Eagles, not the Bucs.

Defense is the #1 priority in the draft. The Panthers seem to like DE/DT Jarron Gilbert out of San Jose State. Another player I'm intrested in is CB Coye Francies also from San Jose State. I think he's the steal of the draft. Ron Meeks takes over the defense this season. He's led two teams to the Super Bowl.


Sixth, I think the thing that bugs me most about the Jake contract is it basically says, "were keeping Peppers", which sucks. He doesn't want to be here, and as a fan, I don't want him there. I want some picks damnit, so we can more on with our franchise. I can't believe teams are talking about giving up a 1st for a Wideout like Braylon Edwards, who has the dropsies, but we can't get a wiff for Peppers. And it doesn't seem like Furney is even eager to deal him, they seem like they want to keep him, which is dumb.


The Peppers deal has gone back and forth. Peppers doesn't have to except a deal to a team that he doesn't want to play for. He listed 4 teams that he wanted to play for. Either the Panthers are reluctant to trade him, or the deals they're getting for him are ridiculous. Hurney isn't in a hurry to deal him, he's just taking his time trying to find the best deal. It might not happen now since Delhomme has signed a contract.

Seventh, it occured to me about an hour ago that the Delhomme deal doesn't matter if the league goes uncapped. I've read several sources say that the Panthers will be just fine without a salary cap.

That's if the league doesn't come to an agreement.

[Cmill216]

Too....many.....words.....

[StorminNorman]

Defense is the #1 priority in the draft. The Panthers seem to like DE/DT Jarron Gilbert out of San Jose State. Another player I'm intrested in is CB Coye Francies also from San Jose State. I think he's the steal of the draft. Ron Meeks takes over the defense this season. He's led two teams to the Super Bowl.

I am interested in Gilbert, but I am not sure how I feel about him going to Carolina. Gilbert is an ideal fit for a 3-4.

The DE Athletic freak that Carolina should taget to replace Peppers is Michael Johnson. He is a huge boom/bust pick (then agian, so was Mario Williams a few years ago) - if he finds a coach that he falls in love with, who can motivate him, he could be a beast.

The Peppers deal has gone back and forth. Peppers doesn't have to except a deal to a team that he doesn't want to play for. He listed 4 teams that he wanted to play for. Either the Panthers are reluctant to trade him, or the deals they're getting for him are ridiculous. Hurney isn't in a hurry to deal him, he's just taking his time trying to find the best deal. It might not happen now since Delhomme has signed a contract.

The Panthers can't trade Peppers right now. Not until Pepper's signs his tender. This is exactly why Peppers hasn't signed it. Right now the only person any team interested in trading for Peppers can talk to is his agent. Pepper's hold all the cards right now.

[The Game]

Madden fans (if such a thing still exists) here is the new cover

http://twitpic.com/3vywb

Double curse :hehe:

[jks]

Did anyone hear what ESPN's Michael Smith said about Madden?

"If aliens came to our planet and they we're looking to talk to someone about Football, Madden would be the guy to talk to."

:cmad::huh::cmad::huh:
I thought madden WAS the alien talking about football....

[jks]

Hmm...1,058 yards, 10 touchdowns for him with KC last year. He's had 2 1000 yard seasons in 3 years with the Chiefs. Not too bad.
Falcons are an offensive juggernaut at this point. Another higher end reciever to go with white and they'd be the hulk.

Best thing is kc took a 2010 pick, which means the falcons can drop any attention they might have had on brandon pettigrew and focus virtually the entire draft on defense. *hopes cushing lasts until #24*

[RAMORE]

I can't tell who that is Larry fitz and I think but who's the guy on the left?

[Erzengel]

Looks like Troy Polamalu.

[jks]

I can't tell who that is Larry fitz and I think but who's the guy on the left?
troy polamalu

[Dark Donnie]

Watch out Fitzgerald and Polamalu fans as those two are next on the list.

:up:

Larry Fitzgerald-WR-Cardinals Apr. 24 - 9:32 am et

Larry Fitzgerald and Troy Polamalu are expected to be on the cover of EA Sports' Madden 2010.

Adrian Peterson backed out of an offer earlier. Fizgerald is being rewarded for the finest postseason by a wideout in playoff history. Polamalu is coming off his first 16-game season since 2005. He also picked seven passes.
Source: Profootballtalk.com

[Mister J]

Larry Fitzgerald and Troy Polamalu are expected to be on the cover of EA Sports' Madden 2010.

Adrian Peterson backed out of an offer earlier.
:funny:

[Dark Donnie]

:funny:

Not real surprising I guess....he's not trying ot get Eddie George'd:oldrazz:

[Mister J]

It's not that uncommon for athletes to be superstitious to a degree; favoring certain routines, circumstances and/or an order. It seems most common in baseball, but I've read a fair share of football players subscribing too. Why tempt fate for (what I'm assuming is) a few extra 100K?

**** is still funny. "Thank you, but no thank you." :funny:

[Dark Donnie]

It's not that uncommon for athletes to be superstitious to a degree; favoring certain routines, circumstances and/or an order. It seems most common in baseball, but I've read a fair share of football players subscribing too. Why tempt fate for (what I'm assuming is) a few extra 100K?

**** is still funny. "Thank you, but no thank you." :funny:

Oh I agree....this has happened in the past. I believe LT turned the cover down either last year or two years ago.

[BlackLantern]

Oh I agree....this has happened in the past. I believe LT turned the cover down either last year or two years ago.

Yea...I believe in the Madden curse

[Immortalfire]

Yea...I believe in the Madden curse

As do I.

[Immortalfire]

AJC reporting on the $$$ for Gonzalez..

In addition to the second-round draft pick the Falcons sent the Kansas City Chiefs, they accepted his contract, which gives him a chance to earn $14.25 million over the next three seasons.

[El_Citrus]

As do I.

And now their gonna curse two players at once.:csad: Bastards. :cmad:

[Raiden]

And now their gonna curse two players at once.:csad: Bastards. :cmad:

It's worse for Arizona since they probably think they will be able to make another run for SB next season, but if the curse is real and it stuck Fitzgerald, they can kiss that dream goodbye. :o

[Dark Donnie]

Yea...I believe in the Madden curse

:dry:

[BlackLantern]

:dry:

Ray Lewis - injured the season after on his appearance on the Madden cover

Marshall Faulk - broken leg after appearing on cover

Michael Vick - leg injury after appearing on cover

Shaun Alexander - foot injury after appearing on cover

How can anyone not believe in the curse??

[Go Web Go!]

So, guess what just popped up on ESPN's bottomline?

NFL considering Super Bowl in London. :dry:

[Immortalfire]

So, guess what just popped up on ESPN's bottomline?

NFL considering Super Bowl in London. :dry:

:facepalm

[BlackLantern]

So, guess what just popped up on ESPN's bottomline?

NFL considering Super Bowl in London. :dry:

mother****ers.....:cmad:

[Excel]

How does one NOT believe in the Madden curse? Vince Young was nasty his rookie year.

[BlackLantern]

How does one NOT believe in the Madden curse? Vince Young was nasty his rookie year.

Vince Young is now officially a benchwarmer whos' mommy fights his battles for him.....Kerry Collins **** on him last season and rightly so....the most overrated QB in recent memory

[Excel]

Vince sucked in his 2nd season, the year after he was on the cover.

[Showtime]

It must be responsible for his mental breakdown as well.

[Dark Donnie]

Ray Lewis - injured the season after on his appearance on the Madden cover

Marshall Faulk - broken leg after appearing on cover

Michael Vick - leg injury after appearing on cover

Shaun Alexander - foot injury after appearing on cover

How can anyone not believe in the curse??

I thought you were being sarcastic originally

Vince sucked in his 2nd season, the year after he was on the cover.

He wasn't necessarily great his first season either.

[Excel]

It must be responsible for his mental breakdown as well.

No, but the criticism he got from his terrible play could be to blame.

[Mister J]

"Substantive conversations" about bringing the Super Bowl to London. :dry: :down
Cardinals reduce trade demands for Boldin to 2nd round pick and other considerations. :sleepy:
Broncos interested in trading up to draft Mark Sanchez, but McDaniels doesn't want to get into top 5. :ikyn
Jason Campbell will throw a hissyfit and request a trade if Washington drafts a QB. :waa: :whatever:
The Hammer is pursuing the possibility of a rookie salary cap. :up:

[BlackLantern]

It's a weird news day for sure

[Excel]

If Phily can get Boldin for a 2nd rounder or 2 and DOESNT...McNabb should just pack up and leave.

[Dark Donnie]

^^^The Eagles FO will low ball them

[Immortalfire]

"Substantive conversations" about bringing the Super Bowl to London. :dry: :down
Cardinals reduce trade demands for Boldin to 2nd round pick and other considerations. :sleepy:
Broncos interested in trading up to draft Mark Sanchez, but McDaniels doesn't want to get into top 5. :ikyn
Jason Campbell will throw a hissyfit and request a trade if Washington drafts a QB. :waa: :whatever:
The Hammer is pursuing the possibility of a rookie salary cap. :up:

The smileys make this post happen.

[Dark Donnie]

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell revealed a proposal Friday that will would eliminate two pre-season games and add one or two more to the regular season schedule.

"We have not found a saturation point for pro football," boasted Goodell, "I don't want to be around if we do." A mid-February Super Bowl could conflict with the Dayton 500, the NBA All-Star game, and some years the Winter Olympics. The big game trumps them all in America.

-Rotoworld

[Mister J]

I suppose getting them to drop 2 preseason games, and leave the regular season where it is, is asking for too much.

I just want the damn Super Bowl to be played in January again.

[ih8nyy]

Super Bowl in London= Fail!

You have got to be kidding me.

[ih8nyy]

:hehe:

Madden Curse.

Now Polamalu and Fitzgerald will both come down with a nasty case of Turf Toe this season.

[El_Citrus]

Apparently Denver has said that they will stay put with their 12th pick.

I can understand why the NFL would want to take the Super Bowl to London, but it's still an Epic Fail waiting to happen.

The schedule is expanded enough as it is Goodel. The NFL's making enough money as it is and adding two more regular season games that will require players to go all out just further shortens their careers and further risks serious injury.

What's with all the news about Crabtree's stock falling? At least that's what I've heard from ESPN regarding his team visits.

[BlackLantern]

Apparently Denver has said that they will stay put with their 12th pick.

I can understand why the NFL would want to take the Super Bowl to London, but it's still an Epic Fail waiting to happen.

The schedule is expanded enough as it is Goodel. The NFL's making enough money as it is and adding two more regular season games that will require players to go all out just further shortens their careers and further risks serious injury.

What's with all the news about Crabtree's stock falling? At least that's what I've heard from ESPN regarding his team visits.

He's shown up late for almost every meeting teams have set up and he travels with his "entourage" almost everywhere....

[El_Citrus]

He's shown up late for almost every meeting teams have set up and he travels with his "entourage" almost everywhere....

McShay might be right about burning our mock drafts then.

[vindrow]

Oh god noooooooo...Troy's hair is going to fall out now:csad::csad:

[Dr. Evil]

Anyone remember failed First Round Offensive Lineman Mike Williams? He's back in the league, signing with Washington, who also signed P Hunter Smith.

[ih8nyy]

Apparently Denver has said that they will stay put with their 12th pick.

I can understand why the NFL would want to take the Super Bowl to London, but it's still an Epic Fail waiting to happen.

The schedule is expanded enough as it is Goodel. The NFL's making enough money as it is and adding two more regular season games that will require players to go all out just further shortens their careers and further risks serious injury.

What's with all the news about Crabtree's stock falling? At least that's what I've heard from ESPN regarding his team visits.

Ya know something. That right there would make me as a player say, if you want that, I want my contract guaranteed, not just the signing bonus.

I mean adding two games won't bring that much more revenue. The pre-season is when the teams control who gets to show the home games in their market, so they can sell it off the the highest bidder. Also the tickets are the same price as a regular season game and the season ticket holders have to pay for them aleady. This better serves the gambling establishment.

[El_Citrus]

Ya know something. That right there would make me as a player say, if you want that, I want my contract guaranteed, not just the signing bonus.

I mean adding two games won't bring that much more revenue. The pre-season is when the teams control who gets to show the home games in their market, so they can sell it off the the highest bidder. Also the tickets are the same price as a regular season game and the season ticket holders have to pay for them aleady. This better serves the gambling establishment.

That's actually one of the reasons Goodel wants to increase the regular season, because fans have to pay full price for preseason tickets and season ticket holders have to pay for the preseason. I can see his reasoning, since a sold out stadium would bring more revenue and make the fans happier since it's more meaningful football for them, but for the players, their average playing career could be shortened by as much as two or three years AND increases their chances for devastating injuries. Who knows, with the more revenue which would let the owners pay the players more, they might agree to it.

[ih8nyy]

That's actually one of the reasons Goodel wants to increase the regular season, because fans have to pay full price for preseason tickets and season ticket holders have to pay for the preseason. I can see his reasoning, since a sold out stadium would bring more revenue and make the fans happier since it's more meaningful football for them, but for the players, their average playing career could be shortened by as much as two or three years AND increases their chances for devastating injuries. Who knows, with the more revenue which would let the owners pay the players more, they might agree to it.

Well with Gene Upshaw gone I think the players will fight harder for more concessions. But if I was a player rep I would fight for guaranteed contracts. besides they already sell out the preseaons games. The fams just don't wanna see some guy from a DIII college trying to make the roster at the 8 minute mark of the 1st quarter in a preseason game.

[SurfDUI]

Yea...I believe in the Madden curse

Actually the Madden kurse only affected Offensive players...Ray Lewis just got hurt that year. Troy will be fine. As for Larry :csad:

So, guess what just popped up on ESPN's bottomline?

NFL considering Super Bowl in London. :dry:

:woot:...:dry: wait serious...:cmad:

I love how everybody was all 'The Hammer this and the Hammer that' he's the man, woo, woo, woo. Mista don't play.
EFF Rodger Goddell, the greedy bastard. Do like we want and cut 2 preseason games- Dammitt I kinda miss 'Tags.

Or why don't you bring the gdamn 'Yule Bowl' or whatever the hell they play there for a fake superbowl, with a cheese wheel instead of a football, here to the states...that aint gone happen cause jus like the London plan IT'S STUPID. Why risk cross atlantic travel jus so you can expand the brand...ahole you ended my Rhein Fire' team, love those guys. For what to bring it back in pieces.

[BlackLantern]

Actually the Madden kurse only affected Offensive players...Ray Lewis just got hurt that year. Troy will be fine. As for Larry :csad:



:woot:...:dry: wait serious...:cmad:

I love how everybody was all 'The Hammer this and the Hammer that' he's the man, woo, woo, woo. Mista don't play.
EFF Rodger Goddell, the greedy bastard. Do like we want and cut 2 preseason games- Dammitt I kinda miss 'Tags.

Or why don't you bring the gdamn 'Yule Bowl' or whatever the hell they play there for a fake superbowl, with a cheese wheel instead of a football, here to the states...that aint gone happen cause jus like the London plan IT'S STUPID. Why risk cross atlantic travel jus so you can expand the brand...ahole you ended my Rhein Fire' team, love those guys. For what to bring it back in pieces.

They usually only put offensive players on the cover of Madden....and Goodell has disspelled that rumor as of last night....He said the NFL has never considered London for a Super Bowl....

[SuperJediHero]

The draft starts at 3PM EST?

[BlackLantern]

4 est

[SurfDUI]

In prime time'ish this year.

Your Indianapolis COLTS don't pick til late.
I wonder how late the broadcast will run into the night due to the later start.

[BlackLantern]

its just the first 2 rounds so Id say 7:30 or 8

[Dr. Evil]

So, Adam Schefter is going to join ESPN:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/15/sources-schefter-to-espn/

This makes him the million and 1st NFL analyst that ESPN has. That's just insane.

[BlackLantern]

So, Adam Schefter is going to join ESPN:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/15/sources-schefter-to-espn/

This makes him the million and 1st NFL analyst that ESPN has. That's just insane.

Apparently he is going to be the heir apparent to Chris Mortensen....word is going around that ESPN is going to trim the fat on their NFL personnel before the season starts...

[SurfDUI]

So, Adam Schefter is going to join ESPN:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/15/sources-schefter-to-espn/



He's cool, him and Jay Glazer look like they enjoy there job. Mort not so much, and that bald head dude, the older one- John Clayton I think. I don't like him.

The NFL Netwok surley will be looking to get a bigger stake of this whole pie sooner than latter I think, I'm lookin forward to how there draft coverage is.

[Cunning Stunts]

Adam Schefter is awesome... Why the hell is he leaving the NFL Channel? Or will he be doing both?

[BlackLantern]

Adam Schefter is awesome... Why the hell is he leaving the NFL Channel? Or will he be doing both?

He is still under contract with NFL Network till August and he's been MIA from the channel since early this year...when his contract runs out he is expected to sign with ESPN

[Dr. Evil]

Apparently he is going to be the heir apparent to Chris Mortensen....word is going around that ESPN is going to trim the fat on their NFL personnel before the season starts...

Good, they will probably cut their NFL personnel down to half a million.

[vindrow]

Good news for Steeler fans...Hines Ward signs extension 4 yrs/22 million...should free up about 1.5 million for the cap or there abouts.:applaud:applaud:applaud


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4099845

[Excel]

KC gave Cassel 36 million guarenteed.

[SurfDUI]

wow, fist year out too. But no tony g right? When do they play the Pats.

[The Riddler]

the new 49er unis look nice.

nice mix of the throwback and few new changes. love the "new" helmet most of all though.

[Go Web Go!]

Dolphins give the boot to John Beck - Cam Cameron's QB of the future. Ta-ta.

[StorminNorman]

Beck would look good in Raven purple.

[Go Web Go!]

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Baltimore by the end of the week.

[Darthphere]

Dolphins give the boot to John Beck - Cam Cameron's QB of the future. Ta-ta.

Too bad, kid had potential IMO. He'll land nicely somewhere. Tampa Bay needs 3 more QB's.

[Caped Crusader]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b322/vinrich/Other/NoToRaiders.jpg

:funny:

[Go Web Go!]

I'd be happy too.

[Go Web Go!]

Cardinals released Edgerrin James

[Marx]

I don't think that's too surprising...

[Bond]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b322/vinrich/Other/NoToRaiders.jpg

:funny:
Hahaha, look how relieved his dad? looks.

[ih8nyy]

Hahaha, look how relieved his dad? looks.

"My son is gonna get PAID!"

[Holiday]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b322/vinrich/Other/NoToRaiders.jpg

:funny:

I think that laugh was an attempt to hide how pissed off he was at being passed over at the number seven spot, 'cause he looked pretty upset right after that.

[Immortalfire]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b322/vinrich/Other/NoToRaiders.jpg

Mr. Crabtree: "Thank God, not the Raiders."

[El_Citrus]

Heyward-Bey receiving the phone call: :facepalm until he realizes how much dough he's gonna make.

[Immortalfire]

Stafford does the top ten on Monday...

ccLTQWeItII

[vindrow]

Looks like the Steelers are looking to trade Larry Foote and if that doesn't work out they will release him.





Posted 11 minutes ago31 Comments 0 Recommendations E-mail
Veteran LB Foote says Steelers plan to trade or release him
NFL.com Wire Reports


Larry Foote, LB
Pittsburgh Steelers

Career Statistics
Games/Starts: 110/83
Tackles: 431
Sacks: 14.5
Interceptions: 3
Veteran linebacker Larry Foote said Tuesday that he doesn't expect to be with the Pittsburgh Steelers much longer.

Foote, who has only played for the Steelers in his seven-year NFL career, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he wants to be a starting linebacker on a team that will accommodate him. He also said that he can't grow on a team that also has 2007 first-round draft pick Lawrence Timmons.

According to Foote, Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert told him Tuesday that the team was trying to trade him but would release him if that didn't work out. However, Colbert called reports that Foote would be traded or released "erroneous," according to mlive.com.

Foote told the Detroit Free Press that his first choice would be to play for his hometown team, the Detroit Lions. But Foote said it's unclear if the Lions want him.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8100d006&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

[Silver Knight]

Cardinals released Edgerrin James
Think anyone will pick him up?

[StorminNorman]

Looks like the Steelers are looking to trade Larry Foote and if that doesn't work out they will release him.





Posted 11 minutes ago31 Comments 0 Recommendations E-mail
Veteran LB Foote says Steelers plan to trade or release him
NFL.com Wire Reports


Larry Foote, LB
Pittsburgh Steelers

Career Statistics
Games/Starts: 110/83
Tackles: 431
Sacks: 14.5
Interceptions: 3
Veteran linebacker Larry Foote said Tuesday that he doesn't expect to be with the Pittsburgh Steelers much longer.

Foote, who has only played for the Steelers in his seven-year NFL career, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that he wants to be a starting linebacker on a team that will accommodate him. He also said that he can't grow on a team that also has 2007 first-round draft pick Lawrence Timmons.

According to Foote, Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert told him Tuesday that the team was trying to trade him but would release him if that didn't work out. However, Colbert called reports that Foote would be traded or released "erroneous," according to mlive.com.

Foote told the Detroit Free Press that his first choice would be to play for his hometown team, the Detroit Lions. But Foote said it's unclear if the Lions want him.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8100d006&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Foote will be a Lion.

The Lions suddenly look like a sleeper team (:wow:). Their defense should be solid with all the veteran talent they added in the Free Agency. Their offense is very talented - only their youth hinders that side of the ball.

[Go Web Go!]

Think anyone will pick him up?

If the price is right.

[El_Citrus]

Foote will be a Lion.

The Lions suddenly look like a sleeper team (:wow:). Their defense should be solid with all the veteran talent they added in the Free Agency. Their offense is very talented - only their youth hinders that side of the ball.

The opportunity is there, although I think they need a second starting running back. They have the tools, but I think that defense still needs some retooling. Anything is possible, but I see them with a losing record this season and really rebuilding their D with next year's draft.

[Immortalfire]

Norman has sure jumped on the Lions bandwagon.

[StorminNorman]

The opportunity is there, although I think they need a second starting running back. They have the tools, but I think that defense still needs some retooling. Anything is possible, but I see them with a losing record this season and really rebuilding their D with next year's draft.

Maurice Morris is a decent spell running back, but I truly believe Kevin Smith can be a feature back in this league.

If they add Foote, they are in a good situation. Cliff Avrill is a good defensive end and pass rusher. Grady Jackson gives them a run stuffer at DT. Peterson-Foote-Sims would give them one of the better linebacker trios. Henry/Buchanan/Fisher is not a bad group of corners. Delmas brings Bob Sanders potential to the safety position.

Gunther Cunningham is a good defensive coordinator - which is also key. This is, on paper, a mid level defense.

If Stafford can come in and play anything like Matthew Stafford his first year, their offense will be fine.

[NewYorkSpider]

Norman has sure jumped on the Lions bandwagon.

I wonder if Silver Knight is his padawan learner?

[RAMORE]

True as a buc and hurricane fan I would love to pick up edge but he doesn't want to be a situational back he wants to be the man but he has to realize he's getting older and last year actually made him look good he was health in the playoffs for the first time ever.

[RAMORE]

Uh i'm drinking the Lions koolaide as well they will be much improved this year. Not because of Stafford i hope daunte starts for this year.

[Go Web Go!]

I wonder if Silver Knight is his padawan learner?

:hehe:

[StorminNorman]

Norman has sure jumped on the Lions bandwagon.

Any team that adds Matthew Stafford after adding Kevin Smith has a fan in me.

[BlackLantern]

Think anyone will pick him up?

some rumors point to New Orleans....don't know how credible that is

[Immortalfire]

I wonder if Silver Knight is his padawan learner?

Maybe he can learn how to let go of the dark side.....meaning his uniform obsession.

[El_Citrus]

Maurice Morris is a decent spell running back, but I truly believe Kevin Smith can be a feature back in this league.

If they add Foote, they are in a good situation. Cliff Avrill is a good defensive end and pass rusher. Grady Jackson gives them a run stuffer at DT. Peterson-Foote-Sims would give them one of the better linebacker trios. Henry/Buchanan/Fisher is not a bad group of corners. Delmas brings Bob Sanders potential to the safety position.

Gunther Cunningham is a good defensive coordinator - which is also key. This is, on paper, a mid level defense.

If Stafford can come in and play anything like Matthew Stafford his first year, their offense will be fine.

Detroit's offense should do well against Chicago's aging, Green Bay's rebuilding, and Minnesota's Darren Sharperless defenses, especially in the pass game, but they have plenty of age on their own defense as well. They'll contend for plenty of games this season, but I see a 5-11 or 6-10 record this year at most because of the massive overhaul this team has had and chemistry will take time, especially with Detroit's current mentality.

[RAMORE]

some rumors point to New Orleans....don't know how credible that is

They just say that cause deuce left and they assumed they would draft RB and didn't

[StorminNorman]

Detroit's offense should do well against Chicago's aging, Green Bay's rebuilding, and Minnesota's Darren Sharperless defenses, especially in the pass game, but they have plenty of age on their own defense as well. They'll contend for plenty of games this season, but I see a 5-11 or 6-10 record this year at most because of the massive overhaul this team has had and chemistry will take time, especially with Detroit's current mentality.

If Matthew Stafford starts and makes the Lions a 6-10 team, he will be the toast of the town.

[StorminNorman]

I really like Houston for Edge.

[BlackLantern]

If Matthew Stafford starts and makes the Lions a 6-10 team, he will be the toast of the town.

that's a 600 percent improvement

[El_Citrus]

If Matthew Stafford starts and makes the Lions a 6-10 team, he will be the toast of the town.

He'll be a hero in Detroit if when he leads them to their first win, let alone sixth. Detroit has talent, but they aren't going to make a big splash in the NFC this year.

[StorminNorman]

All I am saying is that if you look at the bottom end of last years league - Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Seattle, Cleveland - the team that has improved itself the most is Detroit.

[Raiden]

All I am saying is that if you look at the bottom end of last years league - Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Seattle, Cleveland - the team that has improved itself the most is Detroit.

I thought KC is one of, if not *the* most improved team in the offseason. Acquiring Cassel is pretty huge, and unlike Stafford he has one good season in the NFL under his belt.

[El_Citrus]

All I am saying is that if you look at the bottom end of last years league - Detroit, St. Louis, Kansas City, Seattle, Cleveland - the team that has improved itself the most is Detroit.

I agree, it's just the way you talked about them as a sleeper, I thought you were almost ready to give them a wild card spot or second in their division (They could still very well finish last in the North again this year.)

St. Louis seems to be primed for more years of mediocrity with an aging team.

Kansas City is just barely behind Detroit for having the best draft of the top 5 teams and could give the Broncos a run for second best in the West.

Seattle's made some good improvements but still has some glaring needs at RB and need an eventual replacement for Hasselback.

Cleveland made some decent moves, but nothing great and are fourth in the AFC North in my opinion.

I completely agree that Detroit had the best draft of the top 5 teams, even though I think KC could have the better year.

[StorminNorman]

I thought KC is one of, if not *the* most improved team in the offseason. Acquiring Cassel is pretty huge, and unlike Stafford he has one good season in the NFL under his belt.

Stafford has more talent in his right hand than Cassel has in his entire body, however.

I am not too high on Cassel, he played fine last year - but he isn't playing with the best offense in NFL history any more either. Hayley is a good coach for him, and Dwayne Bowe is a good WR - but who else on that roster scares people on offense? The majority of Cassel's passing yards last year came After the Catch.

Not a huge fan of their defense either. They lack a legit nose guard, Dorsey hasn't played DE before and I am not convinced Hali can play OLB.

[Dark Donnie]

I actually Seattle will have the biggest turn....contingent on Hasselbacks health however.

[StorminNorman]

I agree, it's just the way you talked about them as a sleeper, I thought you were almost ready to give them a wild card spot or second in their division (They could still very well finish last in the North again this year.)

You can't ever pencil in a team that went 0-16 as a wild card team in the pre-season, but would it shock me if it happened? No. There is always that one team that goes from dead last to respectable - of the teams picking in the top part of the draft, I like Detroit against any of them.

St. Louis seems to be primed for more years of mediocrity with an aging team.

Agreed. Spagnola is coming into quite a situation here - St. Louis has drafted almost as well as Detroit has the past few years with bust after bust in the first round. They are building a very solid foundation there, though. I like Long in Spagnola's system and Laurinitis is a great addition to help Witherspoon in second level.

Kansas City is just barely behind Detroit for having the best draft of the top 5 teams and could give the Broncos a run for second best in the West.

I don't like Kansas City's draft. They picked two DE's in Magee and Jackson - this after spending last years first pick on a DE (the writing is on the wall for Dorsey, IMO). None of their second day picks were real first day talents who slipped either.

Seattle's made some good improvements but still has some glaring needs at RB and need an eventual replacement for Hasselback.

I think Mike Teel is an interesting project at QB. I like this draft much more than Kansas City's, Curry will replace Peterson very well and Deon Butler will work his butt off to make the field. My biggest question is where is the defensive tackle? They lost Rocky Bernard and unless they have changed their minds, they traded for Cory Redding so he can play end.

Cleveland made some decent moves, but nothing great and are fourth in the AFC North in my opinion.

Cleveland had a quality draft. Nothing flashy, but a lot of strong prospects.

[StorminNorman]

I actually Seattle will have the biggest turn....contingent on Hasselbacks health however.

Seattle was by far the best team in the top 5. I think they will regret the lack of legit defensive tackle, however.

[Dr. Evil]

2010 Mock Draft:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9513448/Let%27s-get-our-2010-mock-draft-on?GT1=39002

[BlackLantern]

2010 Mock Draft:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9513448/Let%27s-get-our-2010-mock-draft-on?GT1=39002

No one thinks a 2010 mock draft is a little ridiculous??

[Mastodon123]

meh, the Raiders will probably be picking 1st next year. The Lions though will probably be in the top 5 or 10.

Schrager must not be aware Cassel already resigned with the Chiefs. They probably won't be taking Tebow.

[Immortalfire]

No one thinks a 2010 mock draft is a little ridiculous??

I do.

[StorminNorman]

I'm not touching a 2010 one.

[FaT_tONle]

You knew it was coming...

It's déjà vu all over again: Favre-to-Vikings rumors heat up

By Chris Chase

Let it be noted that on April 28, 2009 the sun rose in the east, it set in the west and a Brett Favre comeback rumor began circulating. All in all, just another routine day on planet earth.

In a column from today's Chicago Tribune, David Haugh speculates that Favre's release by the New York Jets will pave the way for the 39-year old quarterback to go to Minnesota, the destination he originally desired last year. I expect SportsCenter to lead with this story for the next 57 days. I also expect the rumor to eventually come to fruition.

Oh, officially the Wrangler Jeans-wearing gunslinger says he's not coming back, but he hedged that statement with a classic Favrian qualifier:

"At this time, I am retired and have no intention of returning to football."
Ahh, good ol' "at this time." I like that. At this time I have no intention of calling Favre a faded star who hasn't won anything of consequence in 12 years and is desperately clinging onto his career like a bald guy trying to convince himself that his combover looks good. But, like Favre's plans, that's subject to change.

The sad part is, Favre to the Vikings (oh, I'm going to hate myself for saying this) actually (gulp) makes sense for Minnesota. This isn't because Brett Favre is a high-quality quarterback anymore (he's not), but because the Vikings' quarterback situation is about as stable as Favre's ability to stick to a retirement.

Whether or not this will happen comes down to two factors. First, does Favre still want to play football? By not closing the door on a comeback, I think it's safe to say that he thinks he still does. Second, would the Vikings want him? That's also a probable "yes". While Favre was only a middling quarterback last year, he's still an improvement over Sage Rosenfels and Tavaris Jackson.

Translation: You may want to prepare yourself for another eight months of hearing about Brett Favre non-stop. The only question now is, what impact will this have on John Madden's retirement plans?

Thanks to Cory Hollenhorst for that old Photoshop masterpiece.




http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/It-s-d-eacute-j-agrave-vu-all-over-again-Favre;_ylt=Ar3ikbnaQ.nddwTTsETbUkc5nYcB?urn=nfl,15 9975

[Immortalfire]

The only way I'll believe he's not coming back, is if the season starts and he ain't in uniform.

[Darthphere]

I mean, honestly, looking at the Vikings QB's right now. He'd be an upgrade.

[NewYorkSpider]

I saw the article on ESPN today about Favre not coming out of retirement. Then the thought crossed my mind of him playing on the Vikings for one more season. I honestly believe that he isn't coming back.

[Cunning Stunts]

The only way I'll believe he's not coming back, is if the season starts and he ain't in uniform.

Exactly. Especially since it's the Vikings.

And I'd bet money that if he helps carry the Vikes to a Super Bowl, the whole nation will be on his side again, saying, "We all had faith in him!"

[Dr. Evil]

ESPN will bump it's NBA coverage for non-stop Favre coverage.

[Go Web Go!]

They'll cancel the NBA playoffs, period.

[Cunning Stunts]

And John Madden will come out of retirement to start BFPN.

[El_Citrus]

No......No, he can't........What is it going to take to kill this monster? Damnit, what is it going to take?! ESPN just keeps feeding him out of fear of his wrath! We managed to get rid of the Madden, Speaker for the Farve, but it wasn't enough. Now we have to kill it's food source. We must kill ESPN...

[Immortalfire]

ESPN will bump it's NBA coverage for non-stop Favre coverage.

Favre Watch 2009

[StorminNorman]

ESPN will bump it's NBA coverage for non-stop Favre coverage.


You know what's more annoying than ESPN's constant coverage of Brett Favre?

People making constant jokes about ESPN's constant coverage of Brett Favre.

[Wiseman]

I love Brett Favre talk on ESPN, just to watch Steven A. Smith flip out every time he hears the name is worth it

[Go Web Go!]

I love Brett Favre talk on ESPN, just to watch Steven A. Smith flip out every time he hears the name is worth it

Those days are over, friend. Steven A. is through at
ESPN once the NBA playoffs are over. Thank God.

[Holiday]

I love Brett Favre talk on ESPN, just to watch Steven A. Smith flip out every time he hears the name is worth it

Steven A. Smith is dead.



Well, not really. But he's soon to be no longer with ESPN.

[Wiseman]

Steven A. Smith is dead.



Well, not really. But he's soon to be no longer with ESPN.

I feel so lost right now

[Darthphere]

Stephen A. Smith, where will he end up? TNT. Can you imagine him and Barkley?

[Holiday]

Barkley will probably eat all of Steven's Cheese Doodles.

[Go Web Go!]

Stephen A. Smith, where will he end up? TNT. Can you imagine him and Barkley?

Please no. I would stop watching. He can go to NBAtv and have shouting matches with Gary Payton.

[BlackLantern]

I love Brett Favre talk on ESPN, just to watch Steven A. Smith flip out every time he hears the name is worth it

and that clowns last day at ESPN is today.....thank the sports gods

[Darthphere]

Please no. I would stop watching. He can go to NBAtv and have shouting matches with Gary Payton.

Yeah, you're right. I love TNT's basketball coverage.

[Raiden]

Steven A. Smith is dead.



Well, not really. But he's soon to be no longer with ESPN.

Best news I've heard in a while. :up:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Everything stephen a. Says is important!!!!!!!!

[Alex The Great]

Well, I guess I'm happy with what the Pats did in the draft......I Guess

[Go Web Go!]

Everything stephen a. Says is important!!!!!!!!

Howevaaah!

[BlackLantern]

has anyone heard anything about Marvin Harrison??

[Go Web Go!]

I have not, but I'm guessing he's wishes he would have reworked his deal with Indy.

[Darthphere]

How times have changed. A season ago it was all about McNabb leaving Philly and blah blah blah, now it's all about making him happy.

[StorminNorman]

If Philadelphia doesn't make the playoffs, should they dump McNabb?

[BlackLantern]

If Philadelphia doesn't make the playoffs, should they dump McNabb?

I'd say yes....but only because I think McNabb won't really flourish untill he leaves Philly

[StorminNorman]

I think McNabb has already flourished.

He deserves "choke" jokes more than Tony Romo.

[Wiseman]

I think McNabb has already flourished.

He deserves "choke" jokes more than Tony Romo.

Maybe after Tony Romo can win some december games or maybe win a playoff game, or maybe just figure out how to hold the ball for the field goal.........then I think we can compare McNabb to Romo

[Dark Donnie]

I'd say yes....but only because I think McNabb won't really flourish untill he leaves Philly

McNabb will never be in a better situation then he was in 2004 with T.O. or what he has this upcoming season. He is surrounded with plenty of talent. Now he has to deliver, period.

[BlackLantern]

McNabb will never be in a better situation then he was in 2004 with T.O. or what he has this upcoming season. He is surrounded with plenty of talent. Now he has to deliver, period.

that team doesn't deserve it....if I was him, Id coast this year and get to free agency

[Dark Donnie]

that team doesn't deserve it....if I was him, Id coast this year and get to free agency

:huh: How so?

[Dark Donnie]

Sounds like Anquan Boldin isn't going anywhere. Cards had an offer for a first and Todd Heap and turned it down. Andy Reid was on the local radio show and he stated he doesn't believe The Cards will trade him, but are just going through the motions. He said they are asking for much more then what Detroit received for Roy Williams (which was a 1,3, and 6 I believe) plus he wants 10 Million a year. He also said at one point to try and drive the offer up The Cards compared Boldin stats that of Jerry Rice and the same points in there careers. :dry:

[StorminNorman]

Boldin does deserve a bigger deal than Roy Williams. Teams are just pissed that the Cardinals didn't undervalue a fantastic player.

[FaT_tONle]

1st and third... considering where these NFC East teams were drafting... was not going to be enough for Boldin. Mangini was dealing away without getting enough compensation IMO so maybe someone will swing a deal for 2010 picks. But if I am the Giants and Eagles I don't think these rookies they brought in make them the favorite for anything.

[Dark Donnie]

The Eagles and Giants are still the favorites in the east as they upgraded the most this past off season. As far as Boldin, it's really The Cowboys fault that he's not getting traded. The overpayment of Williams just threw everything off. I agree Boldin should have a much bigger deal as he's actually had more then one good year, but I'm talking in terms of what it took to get the trade done. While Boldin is good, it's not worth trading two high picks for a guy that might only have 2-3 years of top football left.

For instance last season, Boldin was having the better year, and likely would have had better stats then Fitz but missed 4 games. Uncertainty is what scared many teams into willing to trade the necessary picks. Plus there's rumors he might have an issue with his hip. So with all that said I can't really blame The Eagles, Ravens or Titans for not trading for him.

[FaT_tONle]

You want to try and get Boldin for a second rounder then good luck with that... barring a blow up in Cardinal camp that won't happen. Cowboys paid just the right price for Roy IMO.

[NewYorkSpider]

I like the Eagles in the East.

[Cmill216]

Right now, the Giants defense just looks ridiculous.

[Dark Donnie]

You want to try and get Boldin for a second rounder then good luck with that... barring a blow up in Cardinal camp that won't happen. Cowboys paid just the right price for Roy IMO.

I didn't say a 2nd would do it?:huh: I wouldn't trade two 1st's though. What Williams was had for is about the cost of Boldin, problem is The Cards and the rest of the nfl agree that Boldin is the better player. So of course Arizona wants more in return then a 1,3,6.

Right now, the Giants defense just looks ridiculous.
Agreed. Eli, IMO though needs a #1 to succeed so I think they might struggle a little if Nicks can't help that team out from the start.

[FaT_tONle]

I didn't say a 2nd would do it?:huh: I wouldn't trade two 1st's though. What Williams was had for is about the cost of Boldin, problem is The Cards and the rest of the nfl agree that Boldin is the better player. So of course Arizona wants more in return then a 1,3,6.

I didn't say two 1st would do it either :huh:... all you had to do was package an extra fifth or a player... Sheldon Brown and a 1st may have done it. I could care less. I am glad the Cowboys made that move because then the Giants and Eagles would have gotten a guy on the cheap this offseason. Good luck with your rookies. Not saying they won't pan out... but I'd rather face rookies than pro bowl calibur players.

[Dark Donnie]

I didn't say two 1st would do it either :huh:... all you had to do was package an extra fifth or a player... Sheldon Brown and a 1st may have done it. I could care less. I am glad the Cowboys made that move because then the Giants and Eagles would have gotten a guy on the cheap this offseason. Good luck with your rookies. Not saying they won't pan out... but I'd rather face rookies than pro bowl calibur players.

From the interview I heard Reid The Cards were asking for much more then what Detroit received. So I figured it would have to be at least two 1's.

I loved our draft. We brought in players that could help us this year, but should help us plenty down the line. Through FA and trades we were able to upgrade our O Line and get a good FB, something we haven't had in a loonnng time. We also added needed depth at CB with Hobbs.

Here's the piece:
Reid said the Cardinals wanted even more for Boldin. Big Red said the Cardinals were asking for a ridiculous amount of compensation for the star wide receiver.

He said the Cards were showing them how Boldin’s stats compared with those of Jerry Rice at the same time in his career. Rice of course is the best wide receiver in the history of the NFL.

http://www.gcobb.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3365&Itemid=1

[NewYorkSpider]

Agreed. Eli, IMO though needs a #1 to succeed so I think they might struggle a little if Nicks can't help that team out from the start.

I think the Giants struggle this year unless Nicks becomes an immediate impact. If he struggles, I see the Giants fighting for a wild card spot.

[FaT_tONle]

I still think Braylon was cheaper. I am suprised the deal didn't go through with the Giants... and I don't care what the rumored trades were... you can't tell me the Giants were going to have to pay that much more than what the Cowboys dished out for Roy... especially the way Mangini was cleaning house. Not Boldin but still a player nonetheless. I doubt both these rookies will pan out. I think the Giants will get the short end of it though. Eli is either going to step up with the likes of Brady/Manning... or he's going to go back to being a mediocre QB next year.

[Silver Knight]

Trainig camps open in July right?

[StorminNorman]

I still think Braylon was cheaper. I am suprised the deal didn't go through with the Giants... and I don't care what the rumored trades were... you can't tell me the Giants were going to have to pay that much more than what the Cowboys dished out for Roy... especially the way Mangini was cleaning house. Not Boldin but still a player nonetheless. I doubt both these rookies will pan out. I think the Giants will get the short end of it though. Eli is either going to step up with the likes of Brady/Manning... or he's going to go back to being a mediocre QB next year.

All it took to get Edwards was a first round pick and Kiwanluka (sp).

The NFC East should be Beastly again.

The Giants have a killer defense, a strong running game and a QB that can make plays.

The Redskins defense was great last year, should be even better this year. Jason Campbell is playing for a contract - if their two WR's from last year step up they could be sick.

The Eagles are the Eagles. The most consistent team in this division for a decade.

The Cowboys are an enigma - but if Roy Williams steps up, they could be great as well.

[FaT_tONle]

Clevland would have taken some of those Giant receivers in the trade without involving Mathias. Giants just didn't want to part ways with them. I don't like the Giants offense this year. Too many "?" at receiver and tight end. And that LB core is not that good. They could easily be a last place team this year.

[StorminNorman]

You crazy.

[BlackLantern]

The Giants will be fine....it's just a unique opportunity for 1 or 2 receivers to step up

[Erzengel]

Reading through the NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8100be4a&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true) draft report, can everyone guess who got the worst grade? :o

[SurfDUI]

Sure Oakland-but I mean they hit bottom w/ the '2nd grade overhead' press confrence, Cable will have them competing at least, but the Cowgirls have been shootin there selves in the foot since there last win...and Oakland ain't movin into a billion dolla stadium.

[Immortalfire]

Reading through the NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8100be4a&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true) draft report, can everyone guess who got the worst grade? :o

What a shocker.

[Go Web Go!]

Reading through the NFL.com (http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d8100be4a&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true) draft report, can everyone guess who got the worst grade? :o

Anyone who writes, reads, or buys into draft grades deserves to be shot in the face. NO ONE - not the teams, not the players, not the fans - know how ANY of the picks are going to turn out for a couple of years at the earliest. Speculate all you want, but to hand letter grades to teams for making moves that haven't even had the chance to pan out? Annoying.

[StorminNorman]

Oakland's draft was fine - people are giving them a hard time because it is unconventional which is bull. The Patriots drafted two players in the 2nd round that ESPN didn't have film on - yet no one complained because they are the Patriots, so they can do no wrong. This ignoring the fact that the Patriots aren't a team built through the draft.

If New England drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey at pick 7 and Mitchell in the 2nd, they would be praised for discovering "gems" that no one else saw.

[BlackLantern]

Anyone who writes, reads, or buys into draft grades deserves to be shot in the face. NO ONE - not the teams, not the players, not the fans - know how ANY of the picks are going to turn out for a couple of years at the earliest. Speculate all you want, but to hand letter grades to teams for making moves that haven't even had the chance to pan out? Annoying.

with rock salt

[StorminNorman]

I agree about draft grades. They, really, are among the most arrogant articles ever written in sports. Especially considering the overwhelming majority of them come from people that have never actually been apart of the drafting process.

It's okay for commentators to have drafts they like or don't like, and it's fair to point out areas a team did not attempt to address in the draft - but complaining because a team picked Defensive End A and not Defensive End B is silly.

[StorminNorman]

Quarterback Matthew Stafford Throws for the First Time as a Detroit Lion

ALLEN PARK, Mich. -- Quarterback Matthew Stafford was all smiles before his first practice, during and after. It was clear he was simply happy to be back on the practice field.

“It was good to play football again,” he said. “It’s been a while. It’s just good to get out here and run around with the guys and be a part of a team again.”

Friday afternoon’s rookie practice was open to the media after seemingly endless debate surrounding Stafford leading up to this year’s draft. It was the first time many had seen Stafford throw in person, and it was definitely something to see.

Though Stafford seemed to have the same first-day jitters as just about everyone on the field, his arm strength was obvious regardless of where the ball ended up.

He ended up settling down, though, and began to throw the ball a lot better.

“When you go through a first practice as a rookie, you’re so anxious to get going and you’re out of control and things like that,” said Head Coach Jim Schwartz.

“I think we saw that with Matthew today, just chomping at the bit early. (He) was wild with some throws, but then he started settling into a groove.”

Schwartz was pleased with the way his new quarterback looked in his first-ever practice as a Detroit Lion. After seeing Stafford throw many times prior to the draft, he saw exactly what he expected.

“I think his footwork looked good, his release is excellent,” said Schwartz.

But it was still the first day throwing with this group of receivers and throwing with a defense in the way. This is a much different group than what will be present once the veterans return, but Stafford still had his fair share of competition while working on Friday.

His biggest threat was safety Louis Delmas, who Detroit selected with the first pick in the second round.

Delmas, known for his big personality both on and off the field, challenged Stafford before Friday’s practice that he would be the first to intercept one of his passes. He came close, but unfortunately wasn’t able to bring one down.

“I tried,” he said, laughing.

Delmas managed to get in on a number of plays, but couldn’t help but notice the way Stafford was throwing the ball.

“Coming in, I underestimated him, but watching him throughout the end of the year and then watching him today, he really opened my eyes,” said Delmas. “He’s a great quarterback; he has great reads and he has a very good zip on the ball.”

The thing about Stafford – despite being the top pick in this year’s draft and the one player everyone was watching for on Friday, he was clearly just having a good time out there with his new teammates and new coaching staff.

“(I have just been) traveling,” he said. “I haven’t been in the same place for more than three days in the past week-and-a-half, two weeks. So it’s nice to kind of settle down and play some ball.”

Stafford will obviously be the biggest attention-getter this weekend and may very well be following this weekend, but it will be an entirely new situation once he returns on May 18.

But even though the young quarterback wants to be right in the thick of things when it comes to competing for the starting spot, he is simply taking things one day at a time right now – something Schwartz stresses with all of his players.

“I’m just trying to learn as much as I possibly can,” he said. “The No. 1 way for a quarterback to learn is to get out here and get some live reps.

“(Right now) it is just rookies out here so I’m getting a bunch of reps which is great. Hopefully I can come away with a little bit of knowledge of even how practice goes, how weightlifting goes, just kind of a day-to-day schedule so that when I come back I’m not too caught off guard.”

http://www.detroitlions.com/document_display.cfm?document_id=484312

I love the competition between Stafford and Delmas.

[Mastodon123]

Delmas sounds like he could be the leader that the defense needs.

[StorminNorman]

I agree.

I am really excited about the Lions draft. The more I see of Levy, the more I like - the fact that he is bigger today than Schwartz's Mike backer from Tennessee helps sell him. Zack Follett should have been drafted long before the 7th round, the guy is a beast. Delmas's personality seems to be matched in his intensity. Since Schwartz values safeties more than MLB's, I have no problem taking Delmas over Laurinitis.

The best defensive player from this draft may end up being SLH. The guy isn't going to produce next year, but his combo of size and athleticism is impressive. I trust Schwartz can mold this guy into a defensive monster.

[Bond]

Holy ****, there were very heavy winds, possibly even a tornado at the Cowboys Rookie Minicamp today. The "Bubble" they were practicing in was swaying back and forth, and collapsed with coaches, staff, and players inside. A few staff and I believe the Special Teams Coach was injured and taken to the hospital, but all the players and other coaches have been accounted for. I believe a press conference is about to happen.

According to Parkland Hospital, there have been 10 injuries.

[StorminNorman]

I guess God didn't like the Cowboy's draft.

[StorminNorman]

Have I mentioned the fact that I love Cleveland's draft?

Hawaii DE David Veikune won money off Eric Mangini at Cleveland's rookie minicamp Friday by diagramming "acomplicated blitz formation in front of the entire team."

Veikune knew every player's assignment on the play. We pass along the small story to point out Veikune's football intelligence. He reportedly is moving like a natural linebacker rather an a conversion end, and could contend for a starting job at OLB right away.

Let me get this straight...

During the 2009 Draft, the Browns picked up a starting DE, a starting Safety, a starting Center, a starting WR, another talented WR and a starting OLB?

This on top of KEEPING Edwards and Quinn?

Yes please.

[StorminNorman]

Beck would look good in Raven purple.

Beck was signed today by Baltimore.

[BlackLantern]

I like Beck....never felt he got a fair shake with Miami...

[Mister J]

He didn't and he wasn't going to get one with the QB structure as it is either.

It would have been nice to have seen him get more run during the 1-15 season, but that's not really an ideal situation to gauge a guy's potential. The breaks just didn't cut his way. Flacco has the starting gig on lock, but maybe Beck can catch some attention in spot duty, leading to something down the line.

[StorminNorman]

A big problem with him is his age. I believe he was a 25 year old rookie QB.

[Mister J]

Yeah. He's 27 now. Things would usually begin to truly start clicking for a guy at that point. Instead, he's still essentially a rookie.

[Immortalfire]

Norman is going to turn into the Silver Knight version of a football fan. Lions, Browns..who else?

:p

[StorminNorman]

I love me some Mangenius.

[NewYorkSpider]

Have I mentioned the fact that I love Cleveland's draft?



Let me get this straight...

During the 2009 Draft, the Browns picked up a starting DE, a starting Safety, a starting Center, a starting WR, another talented WR and a starting OLB?

This on top of KEEPING Edwards and Quinn?

Yes please.


I loved Cleveland's draft as well.

4. Cleveland Browns - Alex Mack should help out the Browns running game and becomes the interior of the offensive line. Brian Robiskie is probably the most polished reciever in the draft and provides the Browns with a #2. Not a huge down the field threat, but should become a great playmaker in that Browns offense. Mohamed Massaquoi is another WR that should help the Browns offense. Massaquoi should be a great redzone reciever to pass too.

[NewYorkSpider]

Holy ****, there were very heavy winds, possibly even a tornado at the Cowboys Rookie Minicamp today. The "Bubble" they were practicing in was swaying back and forth, and collapsed with coaches, staff, and players inside. A few staff and I believe the Special Teams Coach was injured and taken to the hospital, but all the players and other coaches have been accounted for. I believe a press conference is about to happen.

According to Parkland Hospital, there have been 10 injuries.


Just watched this on the internet. Crazy ****.

[Bond]

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/05/joe-decamillas-suffers-broken-vertebrae.html

Special teams coach Joe DeCamillias suffered broken vertrebrae in his back during the collapse of the Cowboys' indoor facility, his father-in-law Dan Reeves told Todd Archer.

No players were seriously injured in the collapse, which happened about 3:30 p.m., but three other Cowboys personnel remain hospitalized: assistant athletic trainer Greg Gaither, who suffered a broken leg, college scouting coordinator Chris Hall, whose arm was injured, and scouting assistant Rich Behm, who was in critical condition with unspecified injuries.

[Silver Knight]

Norman is going to turn into the Silver Knight version of a football fan. Lions, Browns..who else?

:p
I only like 3 NFL teams.

[StorminNorman]

I only "follow" 1.

And even that one was recently.

[NewYorkSpider]

You know, Matt Stafford reminds me of a young John Elway.

[Darthphere]

You know, Matt Stafford reminds me of a young John Elway.

:huh::dry:

[NewYorkSpider]

Stafford just looks like Elway when he came out of college. (Without the refusal to play for the team that drafted him). I wouldn't be surprised to see Stafford set records in Detroit and eventually lead the team to the Super Bowl. I'm sure Stafford will struggle in his first seasons with the team, but I expect him to pick up the pace and become a pro bowl QB.

[El_Citrus]

Stafford has tons of potential and could become a top QB in a few years, but I'm not sure he can overcome the stigma in Detroit. The team has potential, but has had plenty of potential before that just hasn't panned out. This one looks to be a better prospect team than previous ones.

[StorminNorman]

The key to Stafford's success is not Matthew Stafford, it's Jim Schwartz and Martin Mayhew. The Lions have failed in the past not because of the talent of their team (well...last year the lack of talent certainly was an issue - but historically...) but the incompetency of the leadership.

Jim Schwartz is widely regarded in the league as one of the smartest men coaching today. He has roots with Belicheck and Jim Fisher, not a bad coaching tree. The coaching staff he placed around him also great - two head coaches with tremendous success as coordinators.

While most Lions fans hated Mayhew when he became GM (he was apart of Millen's staff), it's hard to argue with the moves he made. He got brilliant value for Roy Williams from Dallas. He got Peterson to Detroit. He got a deal in place for Buffalo to send Dockery to Detroit before they released him (it fell through due to the Bills bumbling the paper work).

Of course, the fact Stafford is surrounded with tremendous talent in the skill positions now with CJ-Pettigrew and Kevin Smith doesn't hurt either.