2009 NFL Thread

[Fresh Prince]

Ok. You can't even remember what's been said within the last two pages.


I'm done with you.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

Why can't you realize Dallas has done nothing lately and is not america's team anymore.

[StorminNorman]

Who do you guys think are going to win the NFC North division this year?

I can make an argument for any of the four teams. Yes, including Detroit.

[Dark Donnie]

You think Detroit can win it? Let's hear it.

[Kaleb]

My Money is on Greenbay to win the nfc north, Im sorry but Favre going to the vikes means crap to me.

[Addendum]

I'm partial to my Bears winning it, but I always strive to be a realist. ****ing quandary

[E-Man]

The Vikes do have a great running game, and that's always a big key to winning a division. Most of the North teams are a little lopsided with something, so you might as well be lopsided with what has won many Super Bowls. Green Bay's offense could be stellar if Grant provides some inconsistency, but switching to the 3-4 puts them back a year. They're not ready for it yet IMO, I think their D will start shaping up better in 2010. Chicago has a good young back in Forte, and I've been a Cutler fan for a minute now. Unfortunately they don't have much else beyond that, and I don't think Forte is the game dominator that Peterson is sometimes and will be this year. Their D is good, but they have almost no help on the other side.

[Bob ROARman!]

The Bears D is not good. They have Briggs and Urlacher when he's healthy and Harris when he's healthy (which he hasn't been now for years seemingly) but the secondary is horrible. Their defense is reliant on the front four getting pressure to the QB and they haven't done that the last few years.

Cutler reshapes the offense as they have to respect him even though the receivers are all unproven, and that frees up Forte a little more. It's a tough division to predict, none of the teams really stand out.

[Fresh Prince]

Vikings will win the NFC North division. And no not cause of Brett Favre actually cause of their defense. They have the best defense in the division and one of the best in the NFL.

Also their offense is still solid with Peterson and few wide outs. Vikes have a better offense then Detroit, and Chicago. Green Bay its debatable. But these reasons right here Vikes will win the division again this year.

But hey do not sleep on Detroit. Miami was 1-15 in 2007 season and last year finished 11-5 and won their division. So they can leap frog Chicago, Green Bay and possibly Minnesota if their defense is good. Their offense actually good with Stanford and Calvin Johnson.

[E-Man]

Yeah Harris' health is a big concern. Without him their D is totally different. I really love watching Urlacher and Briggs, but that front four hasn't been exceptional for awhile. And as you said Bob, their secondary is pretty bad. The good thing is that they're in a division with some average defenses.

The Packers are really shooting themselves in the foot by going to the 3-4. Cullen Jenkins and Kampman are pretty damn good on the line in a 4-3, and Barnett and Hawk are really suited better for the freedom that a 4-3 gives. Minnesota's D is good, but they'll lose both Williams guys for a period of time. With both of them Minny's D is great against the run, and decent enough against the pass. Without them the D doesn't suffer a ton, but their shoes are hard to fill. Detroit's everything i a work in progress. They just need to win some games and feel good doing it. They've been in the crapper so long that they need any positivity. I don't see them competing with the holes they have, but Calvin Johnson is such an excellent talent that he could provide a serious spark for them.

[CELTICPRED]

Green Bay's offense could be stellar if Grant provides some inconsistency, but switching to the 3-4 puts them back a year.

Grant is certainly the big question mark as to can he stay healthy, but I actually saw him making big cuts last week, moves he could hardly make last year.

Should see some more tonight.

[E-Man]

lol I just noticed that I posted that Grant should provide some inconsistency. I meant 'consistency" instead. haha

[CELTICPRED]

The Packers are really shooting themselves in the foot by going to the 3-4. Cullen Jenkins and Kampman are pretty damn good on the line in a 4-3, and Barnett and Hawk are really suited better for the freedom that a 4-3 gives.

The Packers weren't putting any pressure on opposing quarterbacks last year, it was pathetic. Of course it's only preseason, but I'm liking what we're seeing with the 3-4 so far.

[E-Man]

I think Jenkins going out for the season hurt their pass rush. I really think he's better in a 4-3. He was becoming a Pro Bowl player before he got injured last year. Maybe the 3-4 suits them, but with that switch usually comes some learning curves. They can have a good D this year, but their inexperience with running the scheme could lead to some exploitation. Of course they can by pass that and have no major problems, but usually that's the case in the first year of a 3-4.

[BloodyWolverine]

I think 49ers will be like The Cards last year. If not the players if loose too many should be afraid to go home.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

Division winners in the AFC seem clear cut already, but you never know. The NFC is a bit trickier to gauge.

AFC east> Patriots
AFC north> Steelers
AFC south> Titans
AFC west> Chargers

NFC east> Cowboys
NFC north> Vikings
NFC south> Falcons
NFC west> Seahawks

[E-Man]

Division winners in the AFC seem clear cut already, but you never know. The NFC is a bit trickier to gauge.

AFC east> Patriots
AFC north> Steelers
AFC south> Titans
AFC west> Chargers

NFC east> Cowboys
NFC north> Vikings
NFC south> Falcons
NFC west> Seahawks
I can agree with the AFC there. I'd just change the NFC East and West winners. I'm a huge Cowboy homer that thinks they'll do a ton better than people think, but I think they take second in the division to.....it's hard to say this.......the Giants. I think Arizona wins the West again. I don't see much competition coming for them.

[enterthemadness]

Holy ****! Deanglo(sp?) Williams broke three or four tackles and got a TD! He turned what looked like a loss into a TD! 7-7 in Miami.

[\S/JcDc\S/]

I can agree with the AFC there. I'd just change the NFC East and West winners. I'm a huge Cowboy homer that thinks they'll do a ton better than people think, but I think they take second in the division to.....it's hard to say this.......the Giants. I think Arizona wins the West again. I don't see much competition coming for them.
I put the cowboys because I'm a fan :D So, I saw this coming ;)

I also can understand why people say Arizona, but I think last year they squeaked by as an 8-8 regular season team... Which I find shameful to have in a superbowl :o So, I am saying it early... Arizona does not win their division :mad: :D

[Darthphere]

Is Andre Smith kidding with this holdout? I mean, he is supremely lucky to have been drafted as high as he was considering his lackadaisical attitude and him walking out on the combine. It's ridiculous. Crabtree has an argument, still ridiculous, but it makes sense.

[CELTICPRED]

3 turnovers by the Packers already and 21-0. Yeah, it's the Bills, but it's looking good.

[enterthemadness]

I put the cowboys because I'm a fan :D So, I saw this coming ;)

I also can understand why people say Arizona, but I think last year they squeaked by as an 8-8 regular season team... Which I find shameful to have in a superbowl :o So, I am saying it early... Arizona does not win their division :mad: :D

Arizona went 9-7, not 8-8 last year. Arizona will have it tough. 49ers should do good this year, they finished strong after that one guy took over for coaching.

[Mastodon123]

ugh @ the Lions

[FaT_tONle]

Giants looked awful tonight. I know Giant fans are going to say it's preseason, but you can't be calling yourself a Superbowl contender after pummeling the Panthers in preseason by the same token. Their O-line shat it up the last month of the season last year and Manning had no time. The running game will only go so far. But that doesn't look like the same O-line for whatever reason.

[E-Man]

I put the cowboys because I'm a fan :D So, I saw this coming ;)

I also can understand why people say Arizona, but I think last year they squeaked by as an 8-8 regular season team... Which I find shameful to have in a superbowl :o So, I am saying it early... Arizona does not win their division :mad: :D
Hey I hear you man. I think they can win the East this year myself. Frankly I believe that they're the most talented team in the NFL, but the problems that they have don't have to do with that. Their coaching and attitude keep them from being the world beaters that they can be. I hope I'm wrong though. I'd love to eat some crow with them finally winning thebig games.:woot:

Is Andre Smith kidding with this holdout? I mean, he is supremely lucky to have been drafted as high as he was considering his lackadaisical attitude and him walking out on the combine. It's ridiculous. Crabtree has an argument, still ridiculous, but it makes sense.

He might have been lucky, but the same argument you can make for Crabtree goes double for Smith. Crabtree's argument is based on fantasy. He thinks he should've went higher, and is more talented than guys that went before him. That may be the case, but you are what you are. He's the number ten overall pick, and he should get paid like one until he shows himself to be a big time guy worth more. Smith's demands are to get paid like the number six guy. The big point with him is how much more he's going to get paid than Heyward-Bey. If they're low balling him then he has a point of holding out. The number 6 pick should get paid more than the number seven pick. If he wants an ungodly amount more than Heyward-Bey then he's going to be waiting awhile.

[Marx]

COWBOY STADIUM FLAW?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Punt-hits-video-screen-at-new-Cowboys-Stadium?urn=nfl,184487

[Dark Donnie]

He wants more then Heyward Bey and The Bengals don't want to give that to him. It was on this past weeks Hard Knocks. The President flat out told his agent that was to much money (DHB's deal).

[Caped Crusader]

Giants looked awful tonight. I know Giant fans are going to say it's preseason, but you can't be calling yourself a Superbowl contender after pummeling the Panthers in preseason by the same token. Their O-line shat it up the last month of the season last year and Manning had no time. The running game will only go so far. But that doesn't look like the same O-line for whatever reason.

Umm..

Giants who didnt play..

Offense
Guards- Chris Snee and Rich Seubert

Defense

Secondary- Kenny Phillips and Aaron Ross
Linebackers- Antonio Pierce and Michael Boley
Defensive Tackles- Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty

[rdh007]

COWBOY STADIUM FLAW?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Punt-hits-video-screen-at-new-Cowboys-Stadium?urn=nfl,184487

I hope the league tries to make him move it/change it. I'd like to see Jerry tangle with Goodell.

[Marx]

I hope the league tries to make him move it/change it. I'd like to see Jerry tangle with Goodell.

I just think it's ridiculous to have to avoid a scoreboard in a game. It's one thing to hit it in pre-game when you're trying to, it's quite another for it to become an issue during a game and have to have a 're-do'.

[CELTICPRED]

Saw that on ESPN, didn't realize it was THAT low.

[rdh007]

I just think it's ridiculous to have to avoid a scoreboard in a game. It's one thing to hit it in pre-game when you're trying to, it's quite another for it to become an issue during a game and have to have a 're-do'.

I refuse to believe that, even in a preseason game, anyone (especially the backup punter) is trying to hit it. Jones is ridiculous.

[Marx]

I think Jones realizes that it isn't high enough and is just being Jones. I do hope he is forced to moved it higher.

[KALEL114]

I hope the league tries to make him move it/change it. I'd like to see Jerry tangle with Goodell.

The NFL was involved in the planning and asked the board to be at 85 feet, the team decided to pad it with 5 extra. Again the NFL was involved in this from the beginning.

[rdh007]

The NFL was involved in the planning and asked the board to be at 85 feet, the team decided to pad it with 5 extra. Again the NFL was involved in this from the beginning.

That actually makes sense. Oh well, I was hoping for a showdown. I'll have to wait for the CBA to run out.

[Dark Donnie]

Whether Jerry likes it or not the scoreboard is getting moved. NFL said that when it moves for the U2 concert it will likely stay at that height.

[KALEL114]

It is getting moved an extra 25 feet for the concert. I'm sure it will not stay that high, especially since the league minimum is 85 feet (across the league) in the first place. Unless the league changes their rule.

[FaT_tONle]

Umm..

Giants who didnt play..

Offense
Guards- Chris Snee and Rich Seubert

Defense

Secondary- Kenny Phillips and Aaron Ross
Linebackers- Antonio Pierce and Michael Boley
Defensive Tackles- Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty

For a team that is supposedly loaded with depth... you shouldn't be getting gashed like that to an average offense. Not gonna go crazy over pre-season, but they looked awful. As did the Eagles. Cowboys first unit hasn't looked nearly as bad in two games.

[Caped Crusader]

For a team that is supposedly loaded with depth... you shouldn't be getting gashed like that to an average offense. Not gonna go crazy over pre-season, but they looked awful. As did the Eagles. Cowboys first unit hasn't looked nearly as bad in two games.

Your right.. 5 defensive starters not playing is no big deal. When week 1 comes, they'll all be on the field then you'll see how good this defense is.

[FaT_tONle]

No way they start off 2-0 against Wash/Dallas. They will split those games.

And with all this NFC East talk... I think it's time we make a separate thread so other people will have a chance to talk about their teams. NFC East thread for the win!!!

[Caped Crusader]

We'll see. The reason why they'll be one of the best, possibly the best is because they'll be rotating the defensive line, keeping everyone fresh. Obviously they were unable to do that tonight & Monday night with key members missing. People need to stop hyping Washington up too, they wont be that great, they'll be average like every other year

[E-Man]

He wants more then Heyward Bey and The Bengals don't want to give that to him. It was on this past weeks Hard Knocks. The President flat out told his agent that was to much money (DHB's deal).

Yeah I saw that on there, and I see why there is a holdout. It's alot to expect a guy to take less money than someone who was drafted lower than him. I know Al Davis messed things up, but at the same time principle is principle. At that point it's really not about money, but the principle of getting paid your concrete worth. I think rookies get paid too much now as it is, but the system follows certain unwritten rules. If the NFL ever has a rookie pool like the NBA to where all the draft picks are signed to designated contracts based on draft position, they'll play this game that they're playing now.

[enterthemadness]

I hope the Cowboys play a few games into the regular season and just let the punts hitting the scoreboard pile up before moving it. It be funny.

'And for the 5th time in three home games, a punt has hit the scoreboard.'


:o if I was a punter, I would try to punt the ball OVER the scoreboard. Just launch that ****er and watch it fly.

I just look and realized....the only way a punter could even have a shot at punting the ball over the scoreboard is if he were to either punt outta the endzones or be out of bounds punting. And then it probably be stuck on the top of it....

[Immortalfire]

COWBOY STADIUM FLAW?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Punt-hits-video-screen-at-new-Cowboys-Stadium?urn=nfl,184487

"That's not the point. How high is high if somebody just wants to sit there and kick straight up?

"If you look at how you punt the football, unless you're trying to hit the scoreboard, you punt the ball to get downfield. You certainly want to get some hangtime, but you punt the ball to get downfield, and you sure don't punt the ball down the middle. You punt it off to the side."


Wtf, Jerry? :huh:

[KALEL114]

He isn't the most talented speaker, that's for sure. He gets made fun a lot down here for some of the things he says. I think he was trying to say, that if your are kicking from your own 37 yard line, you should be kicking it in an angle with a lower arc. Punters want a lot of hang time when they are kicking it closer from their own endzone.

[Kaleb]

"That's not the point. How high is high if somebody just wants to sit there and kick straight up?

"If you look at how you punt the football, unless you're trying to hit the scoreboard, you punt the ball to get downfield. You certainly want to get some hangtime, but you punt the ball to get downfield, and you sure don't punt the ball down the middle. You punt it off to the side."


Wtf, Jerry? :huh:

wow he actually said that . I mean those words actually came out his mouth, he actually said that. Seriously I mean who goes and says ...urghhh

[FaT_tONle]

We'll see. The reason why they'll be one of the best, possibly the best is because they'll be rotating the defensive line, keeping everyone fresh. Obviously they were unable to do that tonight & Monday night with key members missing. People need to stop hyping Washington up too, they wont be that great, they'll be average like every other year

Not really... I mean they were pretty decent up until the last 6 weeks of the year. Couldn't field a pass rush. I think with the additions to their D they are as good as anybody else. Cambell just needs to take the next step. They get St Louis and @Det, while the rest of the division doesn't. That's two guaranteed wins right there. As long as they go 3-3 in the division this year, which they did last year, they'll be no worse than 10-6.

[StorminNorman]

Is Andre Smith kidding with this holdout? I mean, he is supremely lucky to have been drafted as high as he was considering his lackadaisical attitude and him walking out on the combine. It's ridiculous. Crabtree has an argument, still ridiculous, but it makes sense.

Crabtree has far less of a valid argument. His point is "I am better than DHB, so I should get paid like it". That's not a valid argument. Smith's argument is "I got drafted above DHB, so I deserve more money." The way the draft money system is awarded, that's sound reasoning.

He wants more then Heyward Bey and The Bengals don't want to give that to him. It was on this past weeks Hard Knocks. The President flat out told his agent that was to much money (DHB's deal).

I have read reports that the Bengals offered Andre Smith less than Vernon Gholston got at the same spot last year.

You think Detroit can win it? Let's hear it.

I think Detroit's defense is going to be very good this year. The addition of Sean Smith at NT cannot be overstated. He provides a huge man eater at a position where the Lions needed one. I like Cliff Avril at DE (he led NFL rookies in sacks last year). The Lions LB core is stacked. I really like Buchanan and Delmas, and Anthony Henry is a very solid CB/S. Plus Schwartz is a fantastic defensive mind.

The question then comes to the offense. I think the offensive line will be fine, not great but more than average. I expect Kevin Smith to have a breakout year. Calvin Johnson is a man beast and I expect fine play from Stafford at QB (in spite of the second preseason game). I wish Brandon Pettigrew hadn't sat out most of preseason, but whatever.

I don't the Detroit's the best team in the division, but neither was Miami last year. Detroits good enough to win football games, and in the NFL anything can happen.

Division winners in the AFC seem clear cut already, but you never know. The NFC is a bit trickier to gauge.

AFC east> Patriots
AFC north> Bengals
AFC south> Texans
AFC west> Chargers

NFC east> Giants
NFC north> Vikings
NFC south> Falcons
NFC west> Cardinals

[Kaleb]

Not really... I mean they were pretty decent up until the last 6 weeks of the year. Couldn't field a pass rush. I think with the additions to their D they are as good as anybody else. Cambell just needs to take the next step. They get St Louis and @Det, while the rest of the division doesn't. That's two guaranteed wins right there. As long as they go 3-3 in the division this year, which they did last year, they'll be no worse than 10-6.

Skins lost to the rams ( who were 2nd worst in the league ) last season, so I wouldnt be making guaranteed predictions just yet :cwink:

[BlackLantern]

saw an interview on SC today with Charles Rodgers, another super bust....he's trying to get back into the NFL after a second stint in rehab

[Mister J]

HE hasn't been on a roster in 3 or 4 years and he sucked then. Even the UFL wants nothing to do with this guy.

The funniest part was seeing Matt Millen criticize him. Granted, the man has a right to an opinion, but seriously, he shouldn't really be tossing around barbs ...even subtle ones. :hehe:

[Venom'sDad]

You know what I will like to see... someone in the Cowboys marketing team use this to Jerry jones advantage... by making this incident into a Southwest Commercial. They are based in Dallas, right?

Have the Titans Punter kick the ball, hit the JumboTron. Use Sfx to make it look like he hit the screen itself and burst in a few sparkles. Have the whole stadium go quiet, and start staring at the Punter. Than the voiceover says, "Want to get away". Southwest does it's advertising, afterwards, show a fuming Jerry Jones.

That would be Classic! :hehe:

[NewYorkSpider]

AFC east> Patriots
AFC north> Bengals
AFC south> Texans
AFC west> Chargers

NFC east> Giants
NFC north> Vikings
NFC south> Falcons
NFC west> Cardinals


Some of my predictions have changed


AFC East - Patriots
AFC North - Bengals
AFC South - Colts
AFC West - Chargers
WC - Steelers
WC - Titans

NFC East - Giants
NFC North - Packers
NFC South - Falcons
NFC West - Cardinals
WC - Vikings
WC - Cowboys

[E-Man]

You know what I will like to see... someone in the Cowboys marketing team use this to Jerry jones advantage... by making this incident into a Southwest Commercial. They are based in Dallas, right?

Have the Titans Punter kick the ball, hit the JumboTron. Use Sfx to make it look like he hit the screen itself and burst in a few sparkles. Have the whole stadium go quiet, and start staring at the Punter. Than the voiceover says, "Want to get away". Southwest does it's advertising, afterwards, show a fuming Jerry Jones.

That would be Classic! :hehe:

HAHAHA that would be great!:hehe:

[NotFadeAway]

The Panthers run defense made me sick for the 2nd time last night. Our defense has never looked this weak under John Fox.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Panthers run defense made me sick for the 2nd time last night. Our defense has never looked this weak under John Fox.


If they play like that with the schedule they have, they'll be 5-6 win team.

[rdh007]

HE hasn't been on a roster in 3 or 4 years and he sucked then. Even the UFL wants nothing to do with this guy.

The funniest part was seeing Matt Millen criticize him. Granted, the man has a right to an opinion, but seriously, he shouldn't really be tossing around barbs ...even subtle ones. :hehe:

Millen has lost all credibility to me. I'm not a fan.

[E-Man]

I don't think many people are fans of Matt Millen anymore. I think he gets too bad arep for Detroit stinking it up. It's not like they were good before he got there, and their best years recently have come under him. Still he was terrible, and somehow he got an ungodly amount of money to do what he did. He deserves his pariah status.

[punishermax]

I think Jenkins going out for the season hurt their pass rush. I really think he's better in a 4-3. He was becoming a Pro Bowl player before he got injured last year. Maybe the 3-4 suits them, but with that switch usually comes some learning curves. They can have a good D this year, but their inexperience with running the scheme could lead to some exploitation. Of course they can by pass that and have no major problems, but usually that's the case in the first year of a 3-4.

Usually it is the case but if you look at Capers track record in his first years as D-Coordinator his defenses usually improve exponentially.

[punishermax]

And for atleast this year and possibly next I'm going to refer to the NFC North as an arms race, with the Bears, Packers and Vikings locked in what seems to be an offensive cold war of sorts.

Packers already have a very good QB who can only improve, a healthy Grant can be explosive and Driver and Jennings one of the best tandems in the league.

Bears have Hester and Forte and now you add Jay Cutler who put up huge numbers last year...but had a down year as some called it......

Vikings have the best player in the League in AP. Every columnist and analyst in the country pretty much said they are a team one good QB away from being a Super Bowl contender, and now they have him in one of the best QBs of all time in Favre.

Lions always have a decent group of receivers and CJ is a very talented young WR, and if Stafford can become this years Matt Ryan or if Culpepper can have a rebirth, their offense could atleast be decent.

All in all, the NFC North looks to be Exciting this year as for my predictions.....

AFC
West- Chargers
North- Steelers
South- Colts
East- Pats
WC- Titans, Ravens

NFC
West- Cardinals
North- Packers
South- Panthers
East- Cowboys
WC- Giants, Vikings

AFC WC RD
Titans over Chargers
Steelers over Ravens

NFC WD RD
Vikings over Cards
Giants over Panthers

AFC Divisional
Colts over Titans
Steelers over Pats

NFC Divisional
Vikings over Cowboys
Packers over Giants

AFC Championship
Colts over Steelers

NFC Championship
Packers over Vikes

Super Bowl
Colts over Packers

I have a feeling this year is definitely a "who knows" year. I think the Pats are the odds on favorite but anything can happen in the NFL

[Mastodon123]

I don't think many people are fans of Matt Millen anymore. I think he gets too bad arep for Detroit stinking it up. It's not like they were good before he got there, and their best years recently have come under him. Still he was terrible, and somehow he got an ungodly amount of money to do what he did. He deserves his pariah status.

Ah no, they were good before he got there. In the 90s the Lions had 6 winning records with the best being 12-4. In 2000 they were 9-7. Then Millen took over in 2001 and the Lions went 2-14. The years with Millen can hardly be considered the Lions best.

[E-Man]

I thought Millen took over in 2002. Damn my bad. I slipped on my years there.

[BlackLantern]

Millen is a cancer....anyone who supports him likes cancer....do you like cancer??

[rdh007]

Ah no, they were good before he got there. In the 90s the Lions had 6 winning records with the best being 12-4. In 2000 they were 9-7. Then Millen took over in 2001 and the Lions went 2-14. The years with Millen can hardly be considered the Lions best.
He dumped Gary Moeller (disgraced former U-M coach) immediately just to bring in one of his guys. The story as wiki tells it:

"In 2000, Moeller was named head coach following Ross's sudden resignation nine games into the season.[5] He was given a contract for the remainder of the season and two additional years by owner William Clay Ford, Sr., a move that seemingly guaranteed a future with the team. After the team narrowly missed the playoffs (losing their final game on a last-second 54 yard field goal), ownership endorsed Moeller as the Lions head coach for the foreseeable future. However, he was eventually fired by new team president Matt Millen in early 2001 and replaced by Marty Mornhinweg.[6] Moeller finished with a 4–3 record as head coach, making him the only Lions head coach in the past 30 years to post a winning record during his tenure."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Moeller

Millen started off with fail and kept it up.

[BillyZaned]

I know it's only preseason... but, god damn do my Packers look good.... that new 3-4 defense.. John Jolly is a stud.... and Arron Rodgers, did I tell you I'm glad Favre is gone...

[StorminNorman]

The Packers were brilliant in their building of a 3-4. They understood the most important aspect of a 3-4 is the defensive line.

[BillyZaned]

plus there new defense cordinator is known for comming into a crap system, and turning into a top 5 defense in 1 year....

god, can't wait... can't wait for Raji and jolly to smack favre around...

[Erzengel]

Their first game against the Vikings is a Monday night game. I won't be surprised if they moved their game at home against the Vikings to the night game as well. That's something I would watch.

[Excel]

Raji played like a beast

[CELTICPRED]

Seeing Raji out in coverage made me wtf lol the first time I saw it, but he's fast for a big ol' boy.

Bishop and Finley have been excellent surprises as well the first 2 games.

[E-Man]

I will say this about the Pack going to a 3-4, I was really pissed when they got Capers. I really wanted him to be Dallas' D coordinator. He's always been a good one, and he'll definitely be a good pickup.

[Mastodon123]

He dumped Gary Moeller (disgraced former U-M coach) immediately just to bring in one of his guys. The story as wiki tells it:

"In 2000, Moeller was named head coach following Ross's sudden resignation nine games into the season.[5] He was given a contract for the remainder of the season and two additional years by owner William Clay Ford, Sr., a move that seemingly guaranteed a future with the team. After the team narrowly missed the playoffs (losing their final game on a last-second 54 yard field goal), ownership endorsed Moeller as the Lions head coach for the foreseeable future. However, he was eventually fired by new team president Matt Millen in early 2001 and replaced by Marty Mornhinweg.[6] Moeller finished with a 4–3 record as head coach, making him the only Lions head coach in the past 30 years to post a winning record during his tenure."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Moeller

Millen started off with fail and kept it up.

Whoever wrote that article is an obvious failure. The Lions were 12-4 in 1991 with Wayne Fontes as the coach, and lost the NFC championship game to the Redskins.

[Fresh Prince]

HAHAHA that would be great!:hehe:

That be funny, but the voice over guy get fired.

[BillyZaned]

How can anyone cheer for the Cowgirls with an owner like Jerry Jones running the show... god, will that guy just die aleady

[Kaleb]

And for atleast this year and possibly next I'm going to refer to the NFC North as an arms race, with the Bears, Packers and Vikings locked in what seems to be an offensive cold war of sorts.

Packers already have a very good QB who can only improve, a healthy Grant can be explosive and Driver and Jennings one of the best tandems in the league.

Bears have Hester and Forte and now you add Jay Cutler who put up huge numbers last year...but had a down year as some called it......

Vikings have the best player in the League in AP. Every columnist and analyst in the country pretty much said they are a team one good QB away from being a Super Bowl contender, and now they have him in one of the best QBs of all time in Favre.

Lions always have a decent group of receivers and CJ is a very talented young WR, and if Stafford can become this years Matt Ryan or if Culpepper can have a rebirth, their offense could atleast be decent.

All in all, the NFC North looks to be Exciting this year as for my predictions.....

AFC
West- Chargers
North- Steelers
South- Colts
East- Pats
WC- Titans, Ravens

NFC
West- Cardinals
North- Packers
South- Panthers
East- Cowboys
WC- Giants, Vikings

AFC WC RD
Titans over Chargers
Steelers over Ravens

NFC WD RD
Vikings over Cards
Giants over Panthers

AFC Divisional
Colts over Titans
Steelers over Pats

NFC Divisional
Vikings over Cowboys
Packers over Giants

AFC Championship
Colts over Steelers

NFC Championship
Packers over Vikes

Super Bowl
Colts over Packers

I have a feeling this year is definitely a "who knows" year. I think the Pats are the odds on favorite but anything can happen in the NFL
you know I actually could see that happening.

[rdh007]

Whoever wrote that article is an obvious failure. The Lions were 12-4 in 1991 with Wayne Fontes as the coach, and lost the NFC championship game to the Redskins.

Wayne Fontes' record during his tenure as head coach: 66-67

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/FontWa0.htm
http://www.databasefootball.com/coaches/coachpage.htm?coachid=FONTEWAY01

The fail you smell, good sir, is coming from your post. ;)

[Fresh Prince]

How can anyone cheer for the Cowgirls with an owner like Jerry Jones running the show... god, will that guy just die aleady

Cowgirls look hot.

[omid17]

All about the Pats :)

[Go Web Go!]

How can anyone cheer for the Raiders with an owner like Al Davis running the show... god, will that guy just die aleady

Fixed.

[Excel]

All about the Pats :)

:up:

[Kaleb]

Seattle have signed Edgerrin James.

[E-Man]

Yay! Edge has finally signed with someone. The dude has been one of my favorite backs to watch for years, and I'm glad he's finally got a team to play for. I know he's lost alot, but he deserves at least a little respect as a guy that can work in a rotation.

[punishermax]

you know I actually could see that happening.

Its the best I could come up with. In the AFC there are so many good teams that its a toss up, and in the NFC no team really stands out because all of the good team are just that, good, barely above average. No matter who makes it to the Super Bowl, its the AFC's game to lose.

[Excel]

Sanchez rebounded towards the end there. Like what I saw.

[Immortalfire]

Phillip Rivers has signed a 6 year, $93 million extension.

[Kane52630]

Lets GO JETS!!!!!

[Marx]

Mark Sanchez was a bit of a disappointment.

[ComicChick]

Ravens looked good tonight

[Cunning Stunts]

Isn't that **** against the rules?

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, that's kind of annoying.

[Poeman]

My Jets are still learning together...Sanchez was OK, obviously there will be growing pains

[ComicChick]

Isn't that **** against the rules?

Yeah, that's kind of annoying.

i'm sorry guys. don't hate me :(

you can blame Hunter and Powder for this

[Erzengel]

Phillip Rivers has signed a 6 year, $93 million extension.

And years of hearing about how Ben and Eli both have rings.

[Excel]

Rivers is much better than both even if hes on a worse team.

[FaT_tONle]

Quarterbacks who HAVE TO HAVE a Superbowl from 1st to last before they retire:

1) Donovan McNabb... stop running out of gas in the Championship game and get it done.

2) Tony Romo... even with a playoff win, a Superbowl Championship is the difference between being clumped with Aikman/Staubach or Danny White.

3) Philip Rivers... the 2004 draft will always come back to haunt him if he never comes through.

4) Aaron Rogers... if he ever wants to put the Farve talk to rest, he needs to bring the Lombardi trophy back to to the Green Bay.

5) Jay Cutler... when you talk as much smack as you do and pull off the crap you pulled, you better win this or otherwise find yourself at a bar having a drink with Jeff George.

[Caped Crusader]

Rivers is much better than both even if hes on a worse team.

If Rivers is better he would have a ring. His team has had enough talent to win it.

[omid17]

^
agree

[BlackLantern]

1) Donovan McNabb... stop running out of gas in the Championship game and get it done.

He'll need to leave Philly if he wants a ring

2) Tony Romo... even with a playoff win, a Superbowl Championship is the difference between being clumped with Aikman/Staubach or Danny White.

not with Wade Phillips as head coach

3) Philip Rivers... the 2004 draft will always come back to haunt him if he never comes through.

provided LT, Shawn Merriman and the defense can stay healthy....maybe

4) Aaron Rogers... if he ever wants to put the Farve talk to rest, he needs to bring the Lombardi trophy back to to the Green Bay.

He'll have to win 2 as Favre bought 1 to Green Bay

5) Jay Cutler... when you talk as much smack as you do and pull off the crap you pulled, you better win this or otherwise find yourself at a bar having a drink with Jeff George.

He's already at the bar

[BigSams50]

If Rivers is better he would have a ring. His team has had enough talent to win it.


they have talent, but LT always gets hurt

[StorminNorman]

He'll have to win 2 as Favre bought 1 to Green Bay


If Favre was still Favre in Green Bay, I would agree. His antics post 2007, however, lowers the bar on his legacy. Aaron Rodgers wins 1 Super Bowl and streets will be named after him.

[Excel]

If Rivers is better he would have a ring. His team has had enough talent to win it.

Thats ridiculous, if "talent" was everything why did the Giants beat NE? Why didnt Dallas win?

If Rivers had the Giants d of 2007 last year...he would have won. Philip Rivers is a much better quarterback than Eli Manning and ESPECIALLY Ben Roethlisberger; his team hasnt won a Super Bowl because hsi d is never god enough.

[rdh007]

Thats ridiculous, if "talent" was everything why did the Giants beat NE? Why didnt Dallas win?

If Rivers had the Giants d of 2007 last year...he would have won. Philip Rivers is a much better quarterback than Eli Manning and ESPECIALLY Ben Roethlisberger; his team hasnt won a Super Bowl because hsi d is never god enough.

And yet, Eli and Big Ben walk around with rings on while Rivers just walks around with his mouth running.

[Dr. Evil]

After hearing Phillip Rivers getting paid........

Drew Brees needs an extension. I don't know how much he's making or how long he has left, but if he doesn't have much left, sign him to a new deal.

[Go Web Go!]

Brees is locked up through 2012. You sign him to an extension a year or so before he's eligible for free agency if he holds up. Eli and Rivers are getting signed to monster deals because they're good and they're young. Brees would be 33 at the end of his current contract.

[Excel]

And yet, Eli and Big Ben walk around with rings on while Rivers just walks around with his mouth running.

And as they walk, they thank theyre amazing defenses for getting them there.

[BlackLantern]

And as they walk, they thank theyre amazing defenses for getting them there.

and they both did that....Eli is a fairly humble guy, if you haven't noticed...that last TD in the Super Bowl, he dropped the ball in routine and the defender quit on the play for some reason and the defense held...and he has a ring....Rivers has San Diego Cheerleaders

[Immortalfire]

San Diego Cheerleaders

The only reason I'll watch the Chargers.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17231231&postcount=308

[Excel]

I wont deney that as people I perfer Eli to Ben and Rivers, but in terms of game, he is a lot better, no way around.

[Ace of Knaves]

Matt Ryan will be better than all three of them.

[Go Web Go!]

The only reason I'll watch the Chargers.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=17231231&postcount=308

What if the Falcons play the Chargers in the Super Bowl?

[Immortalfire]

I didn't say I pull for em, I meant that I'll watch em if they're on. Sunday night game, or Monday..that sort of thing. But only to see the Charger girls.

[Dr. Evil]

What if the Falcons play the Chargers in the Super Bowl?

Then Norv Turner will be the only coach ever in NFL history to have a losing record as a head coach while leading his team to the Super Bowl.

[Caped Crusader]

Matt Ryan will be better than all three of them.

He has a mountain to climb

[Caped Crusader]

Also last I checked, Chargers have a pretty good D

[Ace of Knaves]

He has a mountain to climb

Not really. Give him 3-4 full seasons and he'll be above them I think. I mean, his rookie numbers were outrageous. The only way is up for him.

[Caped Crusader]

We'll see what he does in the playoffs

[punishermax]

If Favre was still Favre in Green Bay, I would agree. His antics post 2007, however, lowers the bar on his legacy. Aaron Rodgers wins 1 Super Bowl and streets will be named after him.

As someone who lives fairly close to Green Bay, and been to countless Packers games in my life I agree with this......almost. His antics post '07 didn't get him in trouble with the fans, in fact most fans turned on Ted Thompson eventhough what Thompson did was right, people were being stubborn and sticking with "good ole Brett". But his diva issues after last season and his interviews about hating Thompson and not caring about his legacy and then his signing with the Vikes have made fans uneasy and despised in many fans hearts.

After '07: People still loved him....
After '08: Fans start to realize that Favre has an ego just like everyone else....

[CELTICPRED]

My brother's father in law had an entire basement football hangout with Favre stuff in it, he sold all of it.

:hehe:

[BlackLantern]

He should have burnt some of it...like that kid with the Cutler jersey

[Immortalfire]

My brother's father in law had an entire basement football hangout with Favre stuff in it, he sold all of it.

:hehe:

John Madden would give five of his chins to live in that room.

[Marx]

John Madden would give five of his chins to live in that room.

:hehe:

[CELTICPRED]

John Madden would give five of his chins to live in that room.

I love Frank Caliendo's Madden impression where he just goes off on a tangent about Favre.

[Go Web Go!]

My brother's father in law had an entire basement football hangout with Favre stuff in it, he sold all of it.

:hehe:

I don't understand all the hate Packer fans suddenly have for Favre. I get why they'd be annoyed by his indecision or flip-flopping (is he retiring? is he not retiring?) but once he made the decision to return last season it was the Packers front office, not Favre, that decided they didn't want him as their starting QB. If the man still wants to play who the hell are the fans to say he can't or shouldn't. I understand that now he's returning to a division rival, so fans feel betrayed or are angry about that, but seeing how he's no longer property of the Green Bay Packers he can sign with whoever the hell he wants. Get off his case. Look what he accomplished for your organization over, what, 15 years? You're going to throw that away after 2 years in which he's played for other teams. Give me a break. I'd expect better from the "best fans in the NFL".

[Excel]

Last season leaving Green Bay was pretty much all on Ted Thompson because he gave Brett a small window of time to decide if he woudl return or retire. YES-After he made the decision to retire, Brett didnt handle himself well at all, however he should have been given more time to make the decision anyway.

Favre should be able to play if he wants; his only mistakes have been announcing retirement when he shoulda just stfu and checked his opinion in 3 months.

[Marx]

I don't understand all the hate Packer fans suddenly have for Favre. I get why they'd be annoyed by his indecision or flip-flopping (is he retiring? is he not retiring?) but once he made the decision to return last season it was the Packers front office, not Favre, that decided they didn't want him as their starting QB. If the man still wants to play who the hell are the fans to say he can't or shouldn't. I understand that now he's returning to a division rival, so fans feel betrayed or are angry about that, but seeing how he's no longer property of the Green Bay Packers he can sign with whoever the hell he wants. Get off his case. Look what he accomplished for your organization over, what, 15 years? You're going to throw that away after 2 years in which he's played for other teams. Give me a break. I'd expect better from the "best fans in the NFL".

When Favre makes comments like 'if they were true packers fans they would understand'...it is incredibly insulting and is going to get a very negative reaction from people.

[Go Web Go!]

When Favre makes comments like 'if they were true packers fans they would understand'...it is incredibly insulting and is going to get a very negative reaction from people.

Ok, get upset for a statement the man might have made about your team or fanbase, but is that really means to disown him when he is clearly the best player that team has ever had and probably will ever see.

[Marx]

Ok, get upset for a statement the man might have made about your team or fanbase, but is that really means to disown him when he is clearly the best player that team has ever had and probably will ever see.

...when it comes to a city that loves their football as much as Green Bay does, yes.

[Go Web Go!]

If they cared as much about football as they claim then this wouldn't be such a huge issue. They would understand that Favre wanted to continue playing and not bash him on his way out because of it. There was nearly a similar scenario locally with Dan Marino at the start of the decade. Dave Wannstedt pretty much forced him to retire, though Marino wasn't 100% sure he wanted to. Teams showed interest, but he ultimately decided to stay retired. Had he gone to say, the Buffalo Bills, he would have had every right to and not expect to get bashed because he wanted to continue playing and for a division rival at that. If you're going to worship the ground a guy walks on for how ever many years in the same city I expect that they refrain from trashing the guy on his way out the door, despite a stupid comment or 2 he might have made like in Favre's case.

[E-Man]

My thing with Favre is that he gets the starting job regardless of what he's playing like now. It's not his fault I know, but it annoys me to no end. Aaron Rodgers should've started by the end of his second year, but they wouldn't bench him because of "OMG it's Brett Favre." Seriously, Brett Favre has been great, but he's no god. Just because he's done great things in the past, doesn't mean that he should automatically start. If he still loves the game and wants to play, nothing wrong with that. He can compete and win the job that way instead of his legacy winning him the job. Hell there are better players that won't get the same love as Favre when they're done, and it's maddening how QB is the only position to where you get brownie points for crap you did in years past. The same thing happened here with Troy Aikman here in 2000. If he hadn't been knocked into retirement.

[Addendum]

The unforgivable sin to the fan of any team is to play for one of your most hated rivals. The Green Bay fans were pissed last year with the brass dumping Favre, not Favre playing for the Jets.

[Bob ROARman!]

If they cared as much about football as they claim then this wouldn't be such a huge issue. They would understand that Favre wanted to continue playing and not bash him on his way out because of it. There was nearly a similar scenario locally with Dan Marino at the start of the decade. Dave Wannstedt pretty much forced him to retire, though Marino wasn't 100% sure he wanted to. Teams showed interest, but he ultimately decided to stay retired. Had he gone to say, the Buffalo Bills, he would have had every right to and not expect to get bashed because he wanted to continue playing and for a division rival at that. If you're going to worship the ground a guy walks on for how ever many years in the same city I expect that they refrain from trashing the guy on his way out the door, despite a stupid comment or 2 he might have made like in Favre's case.

I don't think it was that, it was basically Favre holding the team hostage every offseason for his last 3 years with them. Too many times they were waiting on him and what he wanted to do before they could plan for the future, and there was one too many "farewell tours". Everybody sees him for what he is now. In New York, he wouldn't practice with the team, and the most unreported story after Favre finally got traded to the Jets was how much relief the Packers locker room had after he had finally gone. They were sick of his act. It wasn't just the fans.

[punishermax]

Again living where I live and being surrounded by life long Packer fans I will say this: the majority of Packer fans don't hate Favre. I don't. I appreciate and love every thing he did for GB when he was here. He was the only QB I knew until last year. His first year was when I was 6 years old, and I don't remeber Majkowski at all. I'd agree that most fans are annoyed by him in general now, and a little more annoyed that he signed with the Vikes. But for the most part fans here will remember Brett from 1992-2007, not 2008 and 2009 to whenever he retires.

[rdh007]

Majik Man! Too bad you don't remember him, he was really okay. :dry:

[BlackLantern]

tavaris jackson is still lame...he's a lucky backup right now

[omid17]

watchin espn first take this morning, i guess half of the team wants Tavaris to start

[rdh007]

watchin espn first take this morning, i guess half of the team wants Tavaris to start

Then half of the team is brain dead. It's Favre, then Rosenfels, and Booty (possibly for the future). Though I'd probably deal Booty and keep Jackson as #3.

[punishermax]

Majik Man! Too bad you don't remember him, he was really okay. :dry:

Thats what people keep telling me. I can't complain though. Having Favre as my QB in his prime while I was growing up is better than pretty much every other NFL fan in their adolesence through adulthood.

[punishermax]

Then half of the team is brain dead. It's Favre, then Rosenfels, and Booty (possibly for the future). Though I'd probably deal Booty and keep Jackson as #3.

Keep Booty. You never know what he can mature into. If Favre does stay for both of the years on his contract, Booty could have matured into a possible starting QB in the league, rather than keep Jackson who doesn't look like his learning curve is the best.

[That-Guy]

And as they walk, they thank theyre amazing defenses for getting them there.

And in Ben's case at least, they can thank him for winning the last Super Bowl after they let Larry Fitzgerald run away from them.

[FaT_tONle]

Ben has more intangibles hence I'd probably take him over Rivers. Rivers is the most polished of the three and is better than Eli by far. Eli spare for one drive was basically a game manager. Put him up there with Dilfer and Brad Johnson until he proves he can carry an offense. That's not a knock on Eli. He is still probably a top 12 QB, but that's because the QB play has been awful around the league.

[Dr. Evil]

Conan O'Brien tonight made a joke about Favre. He said that Favre will play the first half of the game against the Texans, and then retire at halftime, only to come back and play in the second half....for the Texans.

[Marx]

Conan O'Brien tonight made a joke about Favre. He said that Favre will play the first half of the game against the Texans, and then retire at halftime, only to come back and play in the second half....for the Texans.

:hehe:

[That-Guy]

Ben has more intangibles hence I'd probably take him over Rivers. Rivers is the most polished of the three and is better than Eli by far. Eli spare for one drive was basically a game manager. Put him up there with Dilfer and Brad Johnson until he proves he can carry an offense. That's not a knock on Eli. He is still probably a top 12 QB, but that's because the QB play has been awful around the league.

All three of them are good in their own right. Do they deserve the money they're getting? Probably not, but that's only because the money that they pay all of these athletes is ludicrous. But that's a whole other debate altogether.

At the end of the day, football is a team sport, and I'll take the team that can perform the best, over a crappy team with a few good players. Look what happens to the Bengals every season. Are Palmer and "OchoCinco" talented? Sure. Does it matter? No.

[That-Guy]

Conan O'Brien tonight made a joke about Favre. He said that Favre will play the first half of the game against the Texans, and then retire at halftime, only to come back and play in the second half....for the Texans.

That's a good one. :woot:

[omid17]

Then half of the team is brain dead. It's Favre, then Rosenfels, and Booty (possibly for the future). Though I'd probably deal Booty and keep Jackson as #3.agreed

Conan O'Brien tonight made a joke about Favre. He said that Favre will play the first half of the game against the Texans, and then retire at halftime, only to come back and play in the second half....for the Texans.lmao

[That-Guy]

Keep Booty. You never know what he can mature into. If Favre does stay for both of the years on his contract, Booty could have matured into a possible starting QB in the league, rather than keep Jackson who doesn't look like his learning curve is the best.

Man, I hope Booty gets some serious playtime just because I'd like to hear all of the unintentional (or perhaps intentional) humor from the commentators:

"Booty just got slammed!"

"...and Booty gets plowed in the pocket."

"Booty starts to run..."

"Booty gets stuffed an inch from the end zone."

[Addendum]

And with the replays "Look at Booty"

[Excel]

GB fans should love Favre for what he did for them and the joy he brought them for his 15 years there. Now, however, they have Aaron Rodgers, who is a better quarterback than Brett Favre currently. Favre is somewhere else. I dont see why they would take any of Favres actions personally; hes an old QB with a busted arm who is looking to win...a team with an excellent defense and footballs best running game and a few weapons at reciever whose only prob. is QB is an IDEAL place for him to go...

[rdh007]

Keep Booty. You never know what he can mature into.

This is exactly why he's the only one of the two you'd get any value for. People wouldn't give up anything for T-Jack.

[BlackLantern]

keep JDB, keep Rosenfels, deal Jackson for another WR, TE, or draft pick

[Cunning Stunts]

I totally didn't know this until last night, but a dude I knew in High School signed with the Kansas City Chiefs this offseason.

[rdh007]

Man, I hope Booty gets some serious playtime just because I'd like to hear all of the unintentional (or perhaps intentional) humor from the commentators:

"Booty just got slammed!"

"...and Booty gets plowed in the pocket."

"Booty starts to run..."

"Booty gets stuffed an inch from the end zone."

I guess what I'm saying is, the Vikings should go to the rest of the league and say:

"What are you willing to give us for our Booty?"

keep JDB, keep Rosenfels, deal Jackson for another WR, TE, or draft pick

Ideally, yes. But who's going to give up a player of value for Jackson? I'm thinking someone might take a flyer on JDB and give up someone of value.

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe Jags would take him. Who is backing Garrard? Or Carolina unless they still like Greinke or whomever is back there. A lot of teams need backups. Even the Pats... I mean who the **** is Kevin O'Connel???

[Immortalfire]

Man, I hope Booty gets some serious playtime just because I'd like to hear all of the unintentional (or perhaps intentional) humor from the commentators:

"Booty just got slammed!"

"...and Booty gets plowed in the pocket."

"Booty starts to run..."

"Booty gets stuffed an inch from the end zone."

You should have seen the game a couple years back when USC played Arkansas...John David Booty, and ARK's quarterback Casey Dick

[FaT_tONle]

You should have seen the game a couple years back when USC played Arkansas...John David Booty, and ARK's quarterback Casey Dick

Only you remember stuff like that... :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

You should have seen the game a couple years back when USC played Arkansas...John David Booty, and ARK's quarterback Casey Dick

Imagine if Chris Smelley was on either team as well

[Immortalfire]

Imagine if Chris Smelley was on either team as well

Well he was on the Gamec*cks :hehe:

[NotFadeAway]

Matt Ryan will be better than all three of them.

I agree with this statement. Matt Ryan is the next big thing in the NFL. And as a Carolina Panther fan, that pains me to say that. With our defensive struggles, that really pains me to say that. Quarterbacks like Ryan carve up the finesse cover 2.

[Kane52630]

i cant wait until the season starts, it seems like forever

[BlackLantern]

as a football fan...Atlanta frightens me, as a Giants fan....it's going to be a great game when the Giants play the Falcons this season

[NotFadeAway]

If they play like that with the schedule they have, they'll be 5-6 win team.

5-6 wins is being nice with our schedule. All of my worst fears are coming true. We are going to need that 1st round pick we gave up for Everette Brown. It's not as bad as the Sean Gilbert trade, but it will piss me off come next years draft. I really don't wan't to experience the Geroge Seifert era again with our defense getting smoked every week.

Now, on a positive note, I'm not freaking out about the injuries to Jon Beason and Charles Godfrey. Jon Beason is irreplaceable yes, but he will return rather soon and I have full confidence in Dan Connor. I love Connor as a player and I would love for him to show Fox that he needs to be on the field with Beason this season. And as far as Charles Godfrey goes, he was solid last season, which says something considering he was a rookie, but unlike Beason he is not irreplaceable. I like Quinton Teal alot and I think he can atleast match Godfrey's play. And James Anderson has finally started to come on as well, in his contract year of course. I say that if Anderson's steady play continues, we lock him up with a new deal soon because it's also Thomas Davis contract year and I would rather not over pay to keep him.

I would really like us to look into switching to the 3-4 next season, regardless of what happens this season. Hopefully, Peppers has a good enough season to warrant a team trading a 1st round pick for him, and we can use that on a big NT. Daminoe Lewis and Tyler Brayton can be the Ends. Beason and Connor would be in the middle, with Everette Brown and Charles Johnson/Hilee Taylor wrecking havoc on the outside.

[NotFadeAway]

as a football fan...Atlanta frightens me, as a Giants fan....it's going to be a great game when the Giants play the Falcons this season

Right now, Atlanta is the team of the future in the NFC. They have made all the right moves during the last two years, and Matt Ryan is going to have a great career barring injury. Again, it pains me to say this because there in the same division as my team, but I can't deny the truth.

[omid17]

You should have seen the game a couple years back when USC played Arkansas...John David Booty, and ARK's quarterback Casey Dicklmao

[Immortalfire]

Only you remember stuff like that... :hehe:

It's a gift :word:

[StorminNorman]

as a football fan...Atlanta frightens me, as a Giants fan....it's going to be a great game when the Giants play the Falcons this season

This is suppose to be reversed, right? :hehe:

Matt Ryan will be better than all three of them.

And Matthew Stafford will be better still. :o

[Mastodon123]

Atlanta has a questionable defense. I wouldn't be surprised if they missed the playoffs. Yet I wouldn't be surprised if they made the playoffs because of the improved offense.

[Dr. Evil]

NEW LOOK FOR NBC'S "FOOTBALL NIGHT IN AMERICA"

Costas to Host Show from "Sunday Night Football" Game Site as Part of Increased Emphasis on Premier Primetime Game

NEW YORK -- August 26, 2009 -- NBC Sports today announced a new look for its Emmy Award-nominated NFL studio show "Football Night in America." The show, which will still offer the most complete highlights and analysis from the day's NFL action, will increase its emphasis on that night's "Sunday Night Football" matchup, highlighted by Bob Costas moving from the studio to hosting the show from the game site.

Costas, the most honored studio host of all time with 19 Emmy Awards, will host the show from a set at the "Sunday Night Football" game site. He will be joined by the new SNF broadcast team of Al Michaels, a six-time Emmy Award-winner whom the Associated Press has called "TV's best play-by-play announcer," and Cris Collinsworth, the most honored studio analyst in sports television history, winning the award in nine of the 12 years of its existence and winning two additional Emmys for game analyst. Collinsworth moves from the studio to the broadcast booth alongside Michaels to replace the recently-retired John Madden.

"At our best we aspire to give the viewer the best seat in the house -- not the hype around the event, but the story of the event itself," said Ebersol. "Bob has proven time and again that he is unmatched in his ability to appropriately set the scene and tell the story of an event. Having the two premier broadcasters of their generation in Bob and Al on site and appearing together alongside Cris, the best analyst in the business, adds an immediacy that makes 'Sunday Night Football' an even bigger event."

Costas said: "Hosting from the site of the game, being in the stadium surrounded by the fans and the energy and atmosphere of the event, creates an urgency and a sense of place that can't be duplicated in the studio. And of course, this allows me to keep working with Cris, while at the same time building on the special chemistry I developed with Al Michaels in BASEketball."

Michaels said: "When you look at the Sunday Night Football schedule, it's clear that a good percentage of the time, our game will be the glamour matchup of the weekend. Having Bob on site will help boost the profile of the event and make sure everything worth knowing before the game will be covered by the best host in sports television history.

"On another level, getting him out of the studio 'green room' on Sundays and into the trenches will save 20-25% of the catering budget and should provide an immediate boost for GE stock."

Collinsworth: "We finally showed Bob how much fun it was to get out of the studio during the Olympics last summer and he loved it. It's going to be great to be able to work with both Al and Bob, and to still be a part of the studio show and talk about the big events of the day."

Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann, who together redefined sports highlights during their time at ESPN, successfully reunited last year on "Football Night" and will continue their partnership. They are joined at NBC's 30 Rockefeller Plaza studios by Tony Dungy, the historic Super Bowl coach whose teams made the playoffs each of the last 10 seasons, unprecedented in this era, the outspoken two-time Super Bowl winner Rodney Harrison and Sports Illustrated's Peter King. "Football Night's" Tiki Barber will report from the site of one of the NFL's big games as he did towards the end of last season.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090826nbc01

[FaT_tONle]

Meh, sounds like a whole lot of nothing. They better not move back inside during the December/January weekends. At least they did something to spice things up. They do have the best broadcasters in the business which doesn't hurt.

[Venom'sDad]

I wish they would have drop Keith O

[rdh007]

I wish they would have drop Keith O

Olbermann's sports credits, particularly when paired with Patrick, are unquestioned and as a pair, the two may be unparalleled in sports reporting. (Not announcing a game)

Your post reeks of politics. And politics has no place in the sacred temple of sports. Bo Schembechler was wrong about politics, but I will fight anyone who has something other than praise for that great man.

[Venom'sDad]

:confused: WTF are you talking about??? I simply think he's blah. Sound like it's more about politics to you. :whatever:

[rdh007]

My bad, then. I apologize.

[BlackLantern]

love Costas' nod to BASEketball....I love that movie and Al Michaels and Costas were so great....my second favorite movie sports commentator being Jim Lampley in Blades of Glory

[SurfDUI]

Anybody know if there's a .mp3 for the Football night in America theme, or the CBS pregame show. I hear either of them and I start to grin

[That-Guy]

:confused: WTF are you talking about??? I simply think he's blah. Sound like it's more about politics to you. :whatever:

Thou shalt not speak ill of the great Olbermann. :cmad: And yes, my post wreaks of politics and I'm proud to say it.

[That-Guy]

You should have seen the game a couple years back when USC played Arkansas...John David Booty, and ARK's quarterback Casey Dick

LOL that is funny. What's his number? He should wear No. 2. I remember reading that Green Bay fans petitioned to get Najeh "I took a crap in some girl's trashcan" Davenport to wear jersey No. 2.

[Silver Knight]

How long until the Jags Eagles game starts?

[Immortalfire]

Go look on Yahoo sports and find out. You can do it :up:

[Go Web Go!]

Mike Singletary on Shaun Hill:

“There’s nothing pretty about Shaun. Everything’s ugly: His drop … his release … all these things. But what’s beautiful about him is his heart. I want to go down with a guy like that.”

Get your tickets now, Niner fans!

love Costas' nod to BASEketball....I love that movie and Al Michaels and Costas were so great

I saw BASEketball for the first time in a decade a few weekends ago. I'm still trying to figure out how they convinced guys like Costas and Michaels to play themselves in that movie.

"You're excited? Feel these nipples!"

[Immortalfire]

Mike Singletary on Shaun Hill:



Get your tickets now, Niner fans!


I wonder if you can play with him, win with him and coach with him.

[Silver Knight]

Go look on Yahoo sports and find out. You can do it :up:
LOL. 1. I dont live in America thats why I asked and 2. my net is capped.

[Go Web Go!]

I wonder if you can play with him, win with him and coach with him.

Can't do it.

[Silver Knight]

A litle help wont go astray guys.

[BlackLantern]

I saw BASEketball for the first time in a decade a few weekends ago. I'm still trying to figure out how they convinced guys like Costas and Michaels to play themselves in that movie.

"You're excited? Feel these nipples!"

because it's a nice departure from the routine and you get to say things you could never say in the booth...especially Al Michaels

"Daddy...don't touch me there"

Costas - "Just 5 years ago this was a sport played in garages and backyards"

Michaels - "And just 5 years ago...those girls were still in grade school "(referring to the Beers cheerleaders)

[Dark Donnie]

A litle help wont go astray guys.

About 6 1/2 Hours

[Immortalfire]

because it's a nice departure from the routine and you get to say things you could never say in the booth...especially Al Michaels

"Daddy...don't touch me there"

Costas - "Just 5 years ago this was a sport played in garages and backyards"

Michaels - "And just 5 years ago...those girls were still in grade school "(referring to the Beers cheerleaders)

On a similar note, I recall Verne Lundquist in Happy Gilmore

"What a shot by, Happy Gilmore! (leans away from the mic) Who the hell is Happy Gilmore?"

[Silver Knight]

About 6 1/2 Hours
Cheers. Now that wasnt so hard was it?

[Ace of Knaves]

On a similar note, I recall Verne Lundquist in Happy Gilmore

"What a shot by, Happy Gilmore! (leans away from the mic) Who the hell is Happy Gilmore?"

Who was the guy in the Longest Yard who kept making those funny sounds when they were doing that play where they kept pitching the ball?

[Immortalfire]

Cheers. Now that wasnt so hard was it?

You need to learn to do these things yourself, SK. Before we send you off into the real world :woot:

[Silver Knight]

You need to learn to do these things yourself, SK. Before we send you off into the real world :woot:
LOL dude, why do you treat me like a little kid for?

[BlackLantern]

On a similar note, I recall Verne Lundquist in Happy Gilmore

"What a shot by, Happy Gilmore! (leans away from the mic) Who the hell is Happy Gilmore?"

or Jim Lampley in Blades of Glory referring to Chazz Michael Michaels as an "Ice devouring sex tornado"

[Fresh Prince]

How long until the Jags Eagles game starts?

Game stars at 7 o clock.

[That-Guy]

Wait a minute... I just checked the TV schedule... so the earliest I'm going to be able to see the Philly/Jax game is when it re-airs on NFL Network at 11 tonight? WTF?

[Fresh Prince]

Because That-Guy only people in Philly and Jacksonville can see the game at 7. But ESPNEWS will show highlights and keep people updated.

And lol Brett Favre created a division in the lockeroom. Half people want Tavaris JAckson as QB, others want that other QB. No one wants Favre lol.

[Marx]

If the games aren't sold out, networks cannot air them live. The Rams/Bengals game is also going to be delayed until 11:35pm.

[Dark Donnie]

Eagles game is sold out. The only preseason game aired nationally tonight is the Bucs game I believe.


BTW Hard Knocks is the funniest show on TV. The continuous ripping of Andre Smith is hilarious.

[Go Web Go!]

I wonder what the over/under is on how many times FOX breaks into the Dolphins/Buccaneers game to give a Vick update.

[Venom'sDad]

^ 3.5

[Dark Donnie]

I say 5. Vick and McNabb are gonna be on the field for the first play so that's one right their.

[Fresh Prince]

I'm glad I can watch the game. So excited, hope Vick plays good and not bad like Favre did.

[Go Web Go!]

5 sounds about right, though I wouldn't be surprised if they push 10.

[Dr. Evil]

because it's a nice departure from the routine and you get to say things you could never say in the booth...especially Al Michaels

"Daddy...don't touch me there"

Costas - "Just 5 years ago this was a sport played in garages and backyards"

Michaels - "And just 5 years ago...those girls were still in grade school "(referring to the Beers cheerleaders)

Don't forget Brent Musberger and Dan Fouts in the Waterboy:

Dan Fouts: The waterboy just needed some water!
Brent Musburger: Wow Dan, did you come up with that all by yourself?
Dan Fouts: Shut up, Brent.

[Fresh Prince]

Vick was put in.

[CELTICPRED]

Don't forget Brent Musberger and Dan Fouts in the Waterboy:

Dan Fouts: The waterboy just needed some water!
Brent Musburger: Wow Dan, did you come up with that all by yourself?
Dan Fouts: Shut up, Brent.

Last game of the year, Brent, can't hold anything back now.

[Dark Donnie]

Nice pass by Vick

[Darthphere]

Vick has still got an arm.

[Dark Donnie]

sure enough Trent Cole returns and The Eagles have a pass rush again

[Fresh Prince]

Yeah Eagles defense so far is better then the last 2 weeks.

And yes Vick was good for when he was in tonight.

[Venom'sDad]

5 sounds about right, though I wouldn't be surprised if they push 10.
Come on... that's way to much.

[Dark Donnie]

Well The Bus game is one at 8 so that will hurt the number.

[Go Web Go!]

Come on... that's way to much.

You're right. It is FOX and not ESPN after all.

[Dark Donnie]

Maclin looking good tonight....McNabb running around a little :up:

[Dark Donnie]

Jinxed :(

[Bond]

Wow, Leftwich is terrible.

[SuperJediHero]

Go Dolphins!!!

[Go Web Go!]

Good God. Leftwich can't throw the ball worth a damn. His passes look clean, but they're not hitting anyone.

[Venom'sDad]

Good God. Leftwich can't throw the ball worth a damn. His passes look clean, but they're not hitting anyone.
His asses are sailing on him; over shooting everyone. I smell a pick coming.

[Go Web Go!]

His asses are sailing on him; over shooting everyone. I smell a pick coming.

It may not be a pick that you smell. :cwink:

[Venom'sDad]

:clown:k, I see what you did. LOL! :pal:

[SuperJediHero]

Rain Delayed LOL !!! COOL! :D

[Marx]

Since when is a football gained rain delayed!?!?!

[NewYorkSpider]

Since when is a football gained rain delayed!?!?!


If there's lightning in the area, they'll stop the game.

[Marx]

If there's lightning in the area, they'll stop the game.

I didn't realize that there was lightning, I just flipped the game on.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm not sure if there was lightning in the area. They will most likely stop play if it's close. They may even stop play just because it's preseason. They don't want anyone getting hurt before the season starts.

[Go Web Go!]

This is not fun to watch. The preseason needs a damn flex schedule.

[BlackLantern]

This is not fun to watch. The preseason needs a damn flex schedule.

how about you not flex your mouth??:oldrazz:

[Go Web Go!]

Technically I'm not. ;)

[Fresh Prince]

This is not fun to watch. The preseason needs a damn flex schedule.

Not many pre season games are.

[Go Web Go!]

No. Even less so when it's raining.

[Dark Donnie]

Roy Williams hurts shoulder in practice

Roy E. Williams left Thursday's practice with a shoulder injury after a goal-line collision with CB Orlando Scandrick.
Williams stayed down for awhile and was examined by trainers before "shouting out in anger" on his way to the locker room. The severity of the injury isn't known, though Williams was being sent for X-rays Thursday night. Aug. 27 - 9:48 pm et
Source: Associated Press

[Immortalfire]

I can't get into preseason at all. Gimme the real thing or nothing.

[rdh007]

I can't get into preseason at all. Gimme the real thing or nothing.

This year, I am. Most years, I'd agree. But I think it's being a Viking fan and having the drama they've had this year.

[Fresh Prince]

Eagles have more drama then Vikings. I mean they just showed on the local news, fans getting happy and upset about Vick.

One black fan argued with a white fan. Black guy said this is a black/white issue. And you had african people out their defending Vick, and dog protesters.

Come on man Vick drama is more then Favre.

[Dr. Evil]

The Wildcat Offense is a fad. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Dark Donnie]

The Wildcat Offense is a fad. Nothing more, nothing less.

A guy like Vick has never run it. I think it could be a great weapon.

[bunk]

The Wildcat Offense is a fad. Nothing more, nothing less.

How long does it have to go on before it stops being a fad?

[rdh007]

Eagles have more drama then Vikings. I mean they just showed on the local news, fans getting happy and upset about Vick.

One black fan argued with a white fan. Black guy said this is a black/white issue. And you had african people out their defending Vick, and dog protesters.

Come on man Vick drama is more then Favre.

I didn't say it was. :confused:

I was speaking as a fan of the Vikings, not in general. I thought that was clear.

[That-Guy]

Watching the Eagles/Jags game on NFL Network right now... it's pretty boring, honestly. Ugh, I hate the preseason.

[CELTICPRED]

Watching the Eagles/Jags game on NFL Network right now... it's pretty boring, honestly. Ugh, I hate the preseason.

Better than no season, right?

[FaT_tONle]

Eagles gave you a glimpse of what you can expect from their Vick/offense.... 2 yard dump offs. Really scary ****. Even though it's the first game, I just get the feeling Reid will out think himself with the playcalling when Vick is in there. He has already found numerous ways to botch the play calling long before Vick.

[Dark Donnie]

Eagles gave you a glimpse of what you can expect from their Vick/offense.... 2 yard dump offs. Really scary ****. Even though it's the first game, I just get the feeling Reid will out think himself with the playcalling when Vick is in there. He has already found numerous ways to botch the play calling long before Vick.

Why would they show everything they have planned?

Anyway Vick looked good moving in the pocket and had a nice completion. Can't wait to see how they use him in the red zone.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't see what Vick gives you that Mcnabb doesn't. He has clearly lost a step. Maybe they will score on a lateral or reverse to Mcnabb for a TD pass. That's about the only time I see it working with the both of them on the field. Other than that he is just a glorified backup/Mcnabb clone.

[Go Web Go!]

The Wildcat Offense is a fad. Nothing more, nothing less.

If it were just a fad it would have disappeared a few games after Miami stared using it. Other teams have adopted it and now guys like Pat White and Mike Vick are being drafted/signed specifically for the Wildcat.

[cyborg ninja 14]

The Vikings obviously don't listen to Tool. All these reports about a schism in their locker room Favre said "I don't know what that word means." What the ****, are you retarded? Jared Allen's quote is even better "I don't think anybody actually knows what 'schism' is." Haha I like how these sports guys always pretend to not understand the english language. Either that or they really don't know. Sad really.

[Darthphere]

"They speak English in England?"

[Addendum]

The Vikings obviously don't listen to Tool. All these reports about a schism in their locker room Favre said "I don't know what that word means." What the ****, are you retarded? Jared Allen's quote is even better "I don't think anybody actually knows what 'schism' is." Haha I like how these sports guys always pretend to not understand the english language. Either that or they really don't know. Sad really.

Well they didn't get academic scholarships to go to college

[cyborg ninja 14]

There was that joke quote from that one Dolphins player who claimed to not know where London was.

[Excel]

Word is Roy Williams of Dallas broke his collarbone today.

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't see what Vick gives you that Mcnabb doesn't. He has clearly lost a step. Maybe they will score on a lateral or reverse to Mcnabb for a TD pass. That's about the only time I see it working with the both of them on the field. Other than that he is just a glorified backup/Mcnabb clone.

Vick is about 100x more elusive than McNabb. Hell, I'd say he is on the same level, if not higher, than Westbrook in terms of agility. With moves like he has, he could make a negative yardage play into a positive yardage play.

Word is Roy Williams of Dallas broke his collarbone today.

Well the Boyz are ****ed then.

[FaT_tONle]

Vick is about 100x more elusive than McNabb. Hell, I'd say he is on the same level, if not higher, than Westbrook in terms of agility. With moves like he has, he could make a negative yardage play into a positive yardage play.

Then just use Westbrook or Jackson in those packages. It's just going to get their offense out of sync if they keep interchanging QB's.

[KALEL114]

Word is Roy Williams of Dallas broke his collarbone today.

That is false.
X-rays were negative, but Williams will ice his shoulder and be re-examined Friday morning, a source told ESPN's NFL Insider Adam Schefter.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp09/news/story?id=4427772

In other news. Brandon Marshall got suspended indefinitely by the Broncos. He was just asking for it with his actions.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4428598

And the League will not make Jerry move the scoreboard.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4428556