2009 NFL Thread

[Ace of Knaves]

But I suppose you could counter that and say he is playing WITH second stringers as well.

But 4 picks in 4 games isn't very good.

[NewYorkSpider]

HUGE mistaje. Its an extremely risky move....this is a terrible idea to be honest. 4 interceptions to 1 touchdowns while playing against 2nd teamers speaks for itself. Hes not ready.


I agree. I think Stafford is going to be an outstanding QB, I just don't think it's a smart move for Lions at this point.

[Excel]

This is kind of how Moss's arrival meant every big rookie reciever was supposed to be sick. Now that Matt Ryan and (appearently) Joe Flacco found early success, its like these rookies are just being handed jobs. Atleast Sanchez has looked impressive against 1st teamers this season; Matt Staffords looked laughable.

If the kid can handle the tough sledding early on and not go into a funk of self-doubt and confidence loss, throw him in there and get the process underway.

Whose the last person to do that and actually succeed??? :huh:

Culpepper is a better fit because, while they sort out their defensive and offensive issues, Stafford can grow. Stafford shouldnt be brought in until those issues are cleared. Culpepper had nothing to lose while Stafford has everything.

Honestly, I think Culpepper will be starting by week 4. Maybe even week 2.

[BlackLantern]

they were 0-15 last year....it can't get much worse...why not take the risk?

[Ace of Knaves]

Whose the last person to do that and actually succeed??? :huh:

Matt Ryan?

[Excel]

Matt Ryan?

Yeah, Matt Ryan had a real tough sledding early, with his all pro running back, good defense, and great offensive line. Maybe Stafford will find similar success to Ryan since he has those as well...

Oh wait, their defense is terrible, line needs all the help it can get, and they have an unproven but talented back.

Better comparisons to Stafford would be Joey Harrington or David Carr. We all know how theyre careers turned out. When the team sucks and Stafford struggles, the "bust" calls will be unavoidable even if theyre unfair.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea fair point. Carr got hammered in his rookie season.

[Mastodon123]

2 of the picks Stafford threw weren't his fault though. The receiver didn't go after the ball. Stafford would of had another touchdown in the Buffalo game if it wasn't for a holding call.

[BlackLantern]

I don't get why people have an issue with this....the team sucked last year, they are going to suck this year regardless of who starts at QB?? do we even have any Lions fans in this thread??

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't get why people have an issue with this....the team sucked last year, they are going to suck this year regardless of who starts at QB?? do we even have any Lions fans in this thread??

It is an issue. It's all about what's in the best interest for the Lions organazation and Matt Stafford's future.

[BlackLantern]

It is an issue. It's all about what's in the best interest for the Lions organazation and Matt Stafford's future.

well Stafford was better off staying at Georgia for another year...and he had to know that the Lions were going to draft him

as for the Lions organization....I wasn't aware I was supposed to care what they did....let's be honest...Michigan, in general, isn't doing all that great these days

[NewYorkSpider]

well Stafford was better off staying at Georgia for another year...and he had to know that the Lions were going to draft him

That's not true. The Lions had discussed drafting Jason Smith, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Curry and Andre Smith. Stafford wasn't a lock for Detroit.

as for the Lions organization....I wasn't aware I was supposed to care what they did....let's be honest...Michigan, in general, isn't doing all that great these days

I never said you had to care about the Lions. After all, this is a place to discuss any NFL related material.

[StorminNorman]

HUGE mistake. Its an extremely risky move....this is a terrible idea to be honest. 4 interceptions to 1 touchdowns while playing against 2nd teamers speaks for itself.

Hes not ready. Yeah, hell have the usual touchdown to Calvin, but the turnovers are gonna be a killer to the team and his to his confidence.

You obviously didn't actually watch the Lions games. The stats of 4 INT's to 1 TD doesn't speak for itself when two of the TD's weren't Stafford's fault. Stafford was also playing with 4th and 5th string WR's because the Lions top 3 wideouts missed all but the last pre-season game.

But I suppose you could counter that and say he is playing WITH second stringers as well.

But 4 picks in 4 games isn't very good.

You could counter that with the fact that Stafford had an 8.0 yards per pass stat for 3 of his 4 games. Stafford was penalized statically by being aggressive while playing with receivers that were of below NFL quality.

I agree. I think Stafford is going to be an outstanding QB, I just don't think it's a smart move for Lions at this point.

If Stafford had demonstrated anything short of gun slinger type confidence, it's possible this decision could be bad. But Stafford doesn't have any history of injury, he is incredibly well built for a QB and he certainly isn't mentally fragile - he risks nothing by playing now.

Eli and Peyton both agree that you learn more playing than you do sitting.

This is kind of how Moss's arrival meant every big rookie reciever was supposed to be sick. Now that Matt Ryan and (appearently) Joe Flacco found early success, its like these rookies are just being handed jobs. Atleast Sanchez has looked impressive against 1st teamers this season; Matt Staffords looked laughable.

Again, you haven't actually watched Stafford play.

Culpepper is a better fit because, while they sort out their defensive and offensive issues, Stafford can grow. Stafford shouldnt be brought in until those issues are cleared. Culpepper had nothing to lose while Stafford has everything.

Honestly, I think Culpepper will be starting by week 4. Maybe even week 2.

Stafford can grow better while playing than he can watching. There is no way Culpepper plays unless Stafford looked truly awful - and even that pull wouldn't be made until late in the season.

Yeah, Matt Ryan had a real tough sledding early, with his all pro running back, good defense, and great offensive line. Maybe Stafford will find similar success to Ryan since he has those as well...

Oh wait, their defense is terrible, line needs all the help it can get, and they have an unproven but talented back.

Better comparisons to Stafford would be Joey Harrington or David Carr. We all know how theyre careers turned out. When the team sucks and Stafford struggles, the "bust" calls will be unavoidable even if theyre unfair.

But the Falcons DON'T have a great offensive line, and they Falcons DON'T have a great defense.

Did they have an all pro running back? Yes. Was Michael Turner an all pro running back when Matt Ryan was named a starter? No.

I expect Kevin Smith to have a break out year - if that's the case then the situations are very comparable:

A smart, poised, experienced rookie QB, with a running back going into a break out year, with an elite WR, combined with a mediocre - but well coached defense and a serviceable offensive line.

Yea fair point. Carr got hammered in his rookie season.

Carr was also going from the WAC into the NFL, had a delivery that needed to be worked on and wasn't as mentally gifted as Stafford. Carr was also playing on an expansion team. The Matt Ryan comparison is by far the best to be made.

I don't get why people have an issue with this....the team sucked last year, they are going to suck this year regardless of who starts at QB?? do we even have any Lions fans in this thread??

Me, Mastodon, and Hulk.

That's not true. The Lions had discussed drafting Jason Smith, Mark Sanchez, Aaron Curry and Andre Smith. Stafford wasn't a lock for Detroit.

No, Stafford was a lock for Detroit. Yes, the Lions vetted Jason Smith and Curry - and they had lunch with Sanchez, (Andre Smith was never in the discussion) but the Lions had no alternative to Stafford.

You can tell that by the contract. Aaron Curry had said he would have been willing to be signed for less than Jake Thomas's deal last year...and yet the Lions still went with the most expensive QB contract ever?

Stafford has been Detroit's pick for quite a while.

[Kaleb]

Broncos waived WR Chad Jackson.

The move creates room for Brandon Marshall to return from suspension. It's a bad sign for Jackson's career that he got the heave-ho instead of Brandon Lloyd, not that the former Patriots second-round pick needs anymore of those.


source : rotoworld.com



lolz

[FaT_tONle]

Pencil in a loss for the G-Men week 1 against the Skins:


Coughlin suspects Redskins' motives after signing ex-Giants QB Woodson

Associated Press

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- There's nothing like adding a little intrigue, secrecy, and skullduggery to a season-opening contest between two longtime NFC East rivals, the New York Giants (http://forums.superherohype.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) and Washington Redskins (http://forums.superherohype.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS).
The Redskins' signing of former Giants quarterback Andre' Woodson to their practice squad on Sunday has New York coach Tom Coughlin and players thinking the move is as sinister as a twist in a Tom Clancy novel. Or some plot hatched by the Skins' northern Virginia neighbor, the CIA.
Woodson spent all of last season on the Giants' practice squad and was among New York's final cuts this weekend. He knows all the plays and, even worse, all the audible calls.


Coughlin was blunt in saying it was obvious why Woodson was signed.
"I have been a part of it," Coughlin said Monday when asked whether he has ever signed a player released by a team he was about to play. "I have seen it done. A guy doesn't get in the door two seconds, and he is in a classroom being grilled."
The cloak and dagger decision will force the Giants to change some audible calls for Eli Manning (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/elimanning/profile?id=MAN473170), Coughlin said.
Redskins coach Jim Zorn insisted Woodson wasn't signed just for this week.
"Oh, yeah. Yeah," Zorn said. "And that's something that I would be frustrated with, too, and I do understand that, that it makes it look like we're jumping on that, but that wasn't the major issue with the find."
Zorn said the Redskins scouted Woodson coming out of college and decided to take a chance on him after New York let him go.
"He might be able to help us a little bit," Zorn said. "He knows their stuff. He certainly knew their snap count and just the obvious things, but we're not trying to glean every little (detail), we're not going to put him under the microscope."
Giants backup quarterback David Carr (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/davidcarr/profile?id=CAR358385) smiled when asked about the signing, and acknowledged he sent a text message to Woodson early Monday.
"Don't give out our secrets, Wood," Carr said. "That's what I told him. I haven't got a message back. I'm sure he is in meetings. I'm sure I'll hit him up this afternoon."
Carr then quipped he told Woodson that he didn't know any of the Giants' plays, anyway.
"We'll see how Woody handles it," Carr said. "I'm sure he'll handle it the right way. We'll find out early on if they know what is going on. I'm sure we'll have a plan. We're not going in there without having an answer for them knowing any of our checks, because we do do a lot of that stuff."
Standing in front of a locker that did not have his nameplate on Monday, Woodson said that he didn't hesitate to sign with the 'Skins after they called.
Washington's move, however, was suspicious.
When Chase Daniel (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/chasedaniel/profile?id=DAN230354) was cut on Saturday, he said he was told he would get the quarterback spot on the practice squad if he cleared waivers. Instead, the Redskins went with Woodson. Daniel was signed to the Saints' practice squad.
While disappointed and frustrated, Woodson said he had no hard feelings toward the Giants. He also said he knows the Giants' playbook and realizes who is paying him now.
"I'm definitely a little bit familiar with it," he said. "Right now, anything to help the Redskins out, I'm willing to do."
Giants offensive tackle David Diehl (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/daviddiehl/profile?id=DIE145930) said the move was part of the game.
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"We're going to have to change a few things verbiage-wise, like we do each and every week," Diehl said. "We play this team two times a year and every time we play them we come up with little different things, a little different terminology to keep them on edge."
Defensive end [URL="http://forums.superherohype.com/players/justintuck/profile?id=TUC056287"]Justin Tuck (http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/free?icampaign=story_fantasy) was coy at first when asked if he knew what the Giants' offense was going to run in training camp after hearing Manning bark out the same audible calls day after day.
Then he got serious.
"Think about it with our offense. We know what some words mean, but we don't know when it's a live word," Tuck said. "He can say (something) and tell everyone in the huddle to disregard it when he says it."
Manning downplayed the signing. He said the Redskins don't know what plays the Giants are running and that the audible calls -- which can change a play entirely or the direction it is being run -- might be hard to decipher.
"I don't know if they will be able to hear everything we're doing, and we're at home, so I'm not real concerned about it," Manning said.
The mystery will play out Sunday.

[NewYorkSpider]

If Stafford had demonstrated anything short of gun slinger type confidence, it's possible this decision could be bad. But Stafford doesn't have any history of injury, he is incredibly well built for a QB and he certainly isn't mentally fragile - he risks nothing by playing now.

I think Culpepper was being conservative in the pre-season. He knew that one slip could cost him the job. Stafford has demonstrated his ablitiy in the pre-season, but I think playing in a aggresive divison could cause him to lose confidence. I think it's important he learns more on the sideline than actually being on the field, especially with this team that's unproven.

Eli and Peyton both agree that you learn more playing than you do sitting.

Some QB's would disagree.



No, Stafford was a lock for Detroit. Yes, the Lions vetted Jason Smith and Curry - and they had lunch with Sanchez, (Andre Smith was never in the discussion) but the Lions had no alternative to Stafford.

I could've sworn Andre was being discussed there. His horrible offseason cost him a higher pick. So you're telling me that they had Stafford locked in during January?


You can tell that by the contract. Aaron Curry had said he would have been willing to be signed for less than Jake Thomas's deal last year...and yet the Lions still went with the most expensive QB contract ever?

Stafford has been Detroit's pick for quite a while.

Why would they take Curry because he said he was willing to take less money? They choose Stafford becuase they felt it was the best decison for the franchise. I really don't think money is an issue here. And I assume you mean Jake Long?

[Mastodon123]

I think the Lions actually had Aaron Curry signed to a contract incase they couldn't get Stafford signed the day before the draft.

[NewYorkSpider]

The arguement here from BlackLantern is if Stafford knew the Lions were gonna sign him when he declared for the draft. That is completely false. You don't know who you are gonna draft untill at least after the combine. I'm sure the Lions knew afterwards that they were gonna sign Stafford.

[Mister J]

Whose the last person to do that and actually succeed??? :huh:

Culpepper is a better fit because, while they sort out their defensive and offensive issues, Stafford can grow. Stafford shouldnt be brought in until those issues are cleared. Culpepper had nothing to lose while Stafford has everything.

Honestly, I think Culpepper will be starting by week 4. Maybe even week 2.
Then let Stafford get yanked after he proves it's too early for him to hack it. There's no guarantee of anything either way and I'd rather give him a taste and see how he responds. If his confidence and development are irreparably damaged by 2-4 bad outings, then he wasn't **** to begin with.

If he's overwhelmed, so be it and reign him back in. There's an opportunity for growth there as well, if he can endure the mistakes and still take steps forward. However, outside of simply sparing him the inevitable rookie screwups, I don't really see a huge advantage by making it a default decision to hold a clipboard behind Fat Ass. I'm sure Stafford can already manage to hold onto the ball too long, be oblivious to pocket pressure, have lousy accuracy and simply heave passes blindly downfield, while hoping for the best.

[BlackLantern]

he was probably at the top of their list when Stafford declared for the draft....every 1st round team throws out other names to throw other teams off and Stafford had to have known he was going in the first 3 picks....

[NewYorkSpider]

Even if Stafford stayed for his senior season, there was a good chance the Lions would've had a top pick again.

[Kaleb]

Pencil in a loss for the G-Men week 1 against the Skins:


Coughlin suspects Redskins' motives after signing ex-Giants QB Woodson

Associated Press

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- There's nothing like adding a little intrigue, secrecy, and skullduggery to a season-opening contest between two longtime NFC East rivals, the New York Giants (http://forums.superherohype.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) and Washington Redskins (http://forums.superherohype.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS).
The Redskins' signing of former Giants quarterback Andre' Woodson to their practice squad on Sunday has New York coach Tom Coughlin and players thinking the move is as sinister as a twist in a Tom Clancy novel. Or some plot hatched by the Skins' northern Virginia neighbor, the CIA.
Woodson spent all of last season on the Giants' practice squad and was among New York's final cuts this weekend. He knows all the plays and, even worse, all the audible calls.


Coughlin was blunt in saying it was obvious why Woodson was signed.
"I have been a part of it," Coughlin said Monday when asked whether he has ever signed a player released by a team he was about to play. "I have seen it done. A guy doesn't get in the door two seconds, and he is in a classroom being grilled."
The cloak and dagger decision will force the Giants to change some audible calls for Eli Manning (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/elimanning/profile?id=MAN473170), Coughlin said.
Redskins coach Jim Zorn insisted Woodson wasn't signed just for this week.
"Oh, yeah. Yeah," Zorn said. "And that's something that I would be frustrated with, too, and I do understand that, that it makes it look like we're jumping on that, but that wasn't the major issue with the find."
Zorn said the Redskins scouted Woodson coming out of college and decided to take a chance on him after New York let him go.
"He might be able to help us a little bit," Zorn said. "He knows their stuff. He certainly knew their snap count and just the obvious things, but we're not trying to glean every little (detail), we're not going to put him under the microscope."
Giants backup quarterback David Carr (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/davidcarr/profile?id=CAR358385) smiled when asked about the signing, and acknowledged he sent a text message to Woodson early Monday.
"Don't give out our secrets, Wood," Carr said. "That's what I told him. I haven't got a message back. I'm sure he is in meetings. I'm sure I'll hit him up this afternoon."
Carr then quipped he told Woodson that he didn't know any of the Giants' plays, anyway.
"We'll see how Woody handles it," Carr said. "I'm sure he'll handle it the right way. We'll find out early on if they know what is going on. I'm sure we'll have a plan. We're not going in there without having an answer for them knowing any of our checks, because we do do a lot of that stuff."
Standing in front of a locker that did not have his nameplate on Monday, Woodson said that he didn't hesitate to sign with the 'Skins after they called.
Washington's move, however, was suspicious.
When Chase Daniel (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/chasedaniel/profile?id=DAN230354) was cut on Saturday, he said he was told he would get the quarterback spot on the practice squad if he cleared waivers. Instead, the Redskins went with Woodson. Daniel was signed to the Saints' practice squad.
While disappointed and frustrated, Woodson said he had no hard feelings toward the Giants. He also said he knows the Giants' playbook and realizes who is paying him now.
"I'm definitely a little bit familiar with it," he said. "Right now, anything to help the Redskins out, I'm willing to do."
Giants offensive tackle David Diehl (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/daviddiehl/profile?id=DIE145930) said the move was part of the game.
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"We're going to have to change a few things verbiage-wise, like we do each and every week," Diehl said. "We play this team two times a year and every time we play them we come up with little different things, a little different terminology to keep them on edge."
Defensive end [URL="http://forums.superherohype.com/players/justintuck/profile?id=TUC056287"]Justin Tuck (http://www.nfl.com/fantasy/free?icampaign=story_fantasy) was coy at first when asked if he knew what the Giants' offense was going to run in training camp after hearing Manning bark out the same audible calls day after day.
Then he got serious.
"Think about it with our offense. We know what some words mean, but we don't know when it's a live word," Tuck said. "He can say (something) and tell everyone in the huddle to disregard it when he says it."
Manning downplayed the signing. He said the Redskins don't know what plays the Giants are running and that the audible calls -- which can change a play entirely or the direction it is being run -- might be hard to decipher.
"I don't know if they will be able to hear everything we're doing, and we're at home, so I'm not real concerned about it," Manning said.
The mystery will play out Sunday.


Is kind of like how the Lions signed Kevin o connell from the Pats , then the Jets traded for him, from what I heard 4 teams were trying to pick up Kevin O connell , I suspect it may have something to do with him knowing the playbook for the patriots.

[FaT_tONle]

No wonder defense wins Championships... these playbooks keep leaking to the rest of the league.

[StorminNorman]

I think Culpepper was being conservative in the pre-season. He knew that one slip could cost him the job. Stafford has demonstrated his ablitiy in the pre-season, but I think playing in a aggresive divison could cause him to lose confidence. I think it's important he learns more on the sideline than actually being on the field, especially with this team that's unproven.

Stafford's last problem is going to be a lack of confidence. That's just not his personality.

Did Culpepper play more conservatively than he probably would in the regular season? Of course. But that's a problem. This is a man who has done nothing in 5 years. He needed to show he could make plays - he didn't try. I don't like that in a QB.

Some QB's would disagree.Yea. QB's like Harrington and Carr. Of course they are going to blame being pushed in too early and not entertain the possibility that maybe they just weren't that good.

I could've sworn Andre was being discussed there. His horrible offseason cost him a higher pick. So you're telling me that they had Stafford locked in during January?In January? No, you don't make any serious draft decisions in January.. By his first pro day? Almost certainly.

Why would they take Curry because he said he was willing to take less money? They choose Stafford becuase they felt it was the best decison for the franchise. I really don't think money is an issue here. And I assume you mean Jake Long?Yea Jake Long. I misunderstood the point of contention.

I think the Lions actually had Aaron Curry signed to a contract incase they couldn't get Stafford signed the day before the draft.

They did - but both the Lions and Stafford's people knew there was no way they wouldn't get a deal done.

The arguement here from BlackLantern is if Stafford knew the Lions were gonna sign him when he declared for the draft. That is completely false. You don't know who you are gonna draft untill at least after the combine. I'm sure the Lions knew afterwards that they were gonna sign Stafford.

he was probably at the top of their list when Stafford declared for the draft....every 1st round team throws out other names to throw other teams off and Stafford had to have known he was going in the first 3 picks....

NYS is right. No serious draft decisions are made until after the combine. They don't even have players ranked.

[StorminNorman]

Is kind of like how the Lions signed Kevin o connell from the Pats , then the Jets traded for him, from what I heard 4 teams were trying to pick up Kevin O connell , I suspect it may have something to do with him knowing the playbook for the patriots.

That was a brilliant move by the Lions.

The Lions had no interest in O'Connell, but knew that either the Jets, Broncos and Chiefs would be interested. They got a draft pick for nothing.

Martin Mayhew is good.

[Caped Crusader]

Pencil in a loss for the G-Men week 1 against the Skins:


Coughlin suspects Redskins' motives after signing ex-Giants QB Woodson

Associated Press

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- There's nothing like adding a little intrigue, secrecy, and skullduggery to a season-opening contest between two longtime NFC East rivals, the New York Giants (http://forums.superherohype.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) and Washington Redskins (http://forums.superherohype.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS).
The Redskins' signing of former Giants quarterback Andre' Woodson to their practice squad on Sunday has New York coach Tom Coughlin and players thinking the move is as sinister as a twist in a Tom Clancy novel. Or some plot hatched by the Skins' northern Virginia neighbor, the CIA.
Woodson spent all of last season on the Giants' practice squad and was among New York's final cuts this weekend. He knows all the plays and, even worse, all the audible calls.


Coughlin was blunt in saying it was obvious why Woodson was signed.
"I have been a part of it," Coughlin said Monday when asked whether he has ever signed a player released by a team he was about to play. "I have seen it done. A guy doesn't get in the door two seconds, and he is in a classroom being grilled."
The cloak and dagger decision will force the Giants to change some audible calls for Eli Manning (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/elimanning/profile?id=MAN473170), Coughlin said.
Redskins coach Jim Zorn insisted Woodson wasn't signed just for this week.
"Oh, yeah. Yeah," Zorn said. "And that's something that I would be frustrated with, too, and I do understand that, that it makes it look like we're jumping on that, but that wasn't the major issue with the find."
Zorn said the Redskins scouted Woodson coming out of college and decided to take a chance on him after New York let him go.
"He might be able to help us a little bit," Zorn said. "He knows their stuff. He certainly knew their snap count and just the obvious things, but we're not trying to glean every little (detail), we're not going to put him under the microscope."
Giants backup quarterback David Carr (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/davidcarr/profile?id=CAR358385) smiled when asked about the signing, and acknowledged he sent a text message to Woodson early Monday.
"Don't give out our secrets, Wood," Carr said. "That's what I told him. I haven't got a message back. I'm sure he is in meetings. I'm sure I'll hit him up this afternoon."
Carr then quipped he told Woodson that he didn't know any of the Giants' plays, anyway.
"We'll see how Woody handles it," Carr said. "I'm sure he'll handle it the right way. We'll find out early on if they know what is going on. I'm sure we'll have a plan. We're not going in there without having an answer for them knowing any of our checks, because we do do a lot of that stuff."
Standing in front of a locker that did not have his nameplate on Monday, Woodson said that he didn't hesitate to sign with the 'Skins after they called.
Washington's move, however, was suspicious.
When Chase Daniel (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/chasedaniel/profile?id=DAN230354) was cut on Saturday, he said he was told he would get the quarterback spot on the practice squad if he cleared waivers. Instead, the Redskins went with Woodson. Daniel was signed to the Saints' practice squad.
While disappointed and frustrated, Woodson said he had no hard feelings toward the Giants. He also said he knows the Giants' playbook and realizes who is paying him now.
"I'm definitely a little bit familiar with it," he said. "Right now, anything to help the Redskins out, I'm willing to do."
Giants offensive tackle David Diehl (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/daviddiehl/profile?id=DIE145930) said the move was part of the game.


"We're going to have to change a few things verbiage-wise, like we do each and every week," Diehl said. "We play this team two times a year and every time we play them we come up with little different things, a little different terminology to keep them on edge."
Defensive end Justin Tuck (http://forums.superherohype.com/players/justintuck/profile?id=TUC056287) was coy at first when asked if he knew what the Giants' offense was going to run in training camp after hearing Manning bark out the same audible calls day after day.
Then he got serious.
"Think about it with our offense. We know what some words mean, but we don't know when it's a live word," Tuck said. "He can say (something) and tell everyone in the huddle to disregard it when he says it."
Manning downplayed the signing. He said the Redskins don't know what plays the Giants are running and that the audible calls -- which can change a play entirely or the direction it is being run -- might be hard to decipher.
"I don't know if they will be able to hear everything we're doing, and we're at home, so I'm not real concerned about it," Manning said.
The mystery will play out Sunday.

Woodson sucked. He had so much trouble calling the plays during pre-season, he wont help them one bit. Also were a run first, pass second team, Landry is still shook up from the Jacobs hit.

[vindrow]

Don't you know Stafford is the second coming? He's the damned messiah, ****s gold, pisses wine and can throw touchdowns with his feet


No, that would be Tim Tebow...c'mon now get your messiah's straight....Stafford is only a jr. messiah:woot:

[Excel]

Is kind of like how the Lions signed Kevin o connell from the Pats , then the Jets traded for him, from what I heard 4 teams were trying to pick up Kevin O connell , I suspect it may have something to do with him knowing the playbook for the patriots.

Once a Patriot, always a Patriot.


Rex Ryan: Ok Kevin, tell us about the Patriots playbook.
Kevin OC: :huh:
Rex: You know, the plays the Patriots run
OC: :huh:
Rex: What did you guys do during 11 on 11 on offense?
OC: Well, the QB, #12 (*points him out on whiteboard*) drops back to pass, wile the reciever #81, streaks up field faster than everybody else (*draws line really fast*) and the QB hurls it over everybody and hits him in stride in the endzone.
Rex: ...ok, we know Moss likes to go deep, what about the other recievers?
OC: :huh:
Rex: welker?
OC: Oh, he always goes underneath where Moss just was.
Rex: Ok, well that helps.
OC: Well either a lineback will come up to cover him, thus leaving Moss with man (the safety) between him and the end zone, or the LB drops back to discourage Moss from continuing. Its virtually impossible to over both.
Rex: Ok, well him give the short pass every time. That should take care of Moss.
OC: Well sometimes Brady just throws it to him anyway.
Rex: What, why? When somebody else is wide open?
OC: Randys always open.
Rex: Not in triple coverage.
OC: Triple coverage on the ground. Nobody can get as himas him.
Rex: Well what about when they run the ball, tell us about the backs.
OC: Which one?
Rex: Any of them.
OC: Well with Faulk it will be a pass, with Maroney it will be a run, with Taylor and Morris it could be both.
Rex: Ok, well what type of running plays do they do?
OC: Running plays?
Rex: You know, when they run the football?
OC: Outside of clock killing and goalline...they dont run the ball.
Rex: What?
OC: They will once in a while, but dont back off, because all of them are beasts. But at the same time, be careful of the play action bomb or check down to Wes.
Rex: Well than how do we cover Moss AND Welker while stacking the box to stop the run?
OC: You cant.
Rex: Well than....how do we stop them?
OC::huh:

[Venom'sDad]

No, that would be Tim Tebow...c'mon now get your messiah's straight....Stafford is only a jr. messiah:woot:

I think you need to get your facts straight... Stafford is the "John the Baptist" to the coming "Messiah" Tebow. ;)

[omid17]

Broncos rookie faces domestic violence charge


Denver Broncos rookie tight end Richard Quinn has been arrested on harassment and domestic violence charges.
The Arapahoe County Sheriff's Department says Quinn was arrested early Monday afternoon after a woman called 911. The woman told deputies her live-in boyfriend, Quinn, grabbed and shook her to the ground during an argument and grabbed the phone from her while she was trying to dial 911.
The 22-year-old woman told deputies that Quinn also grabbed her cell phone. She says she ran to another house in the suburban Denver neighborhood to call police.
Deputies say Quinn told them he grabbed the woman only after she started hitting him in the face, but he had no visible marks.
Quinn was being held in jail

[Ace of Knaves]

So the woman punches him in the face, he grabs and shakes her, and he gets arrested? Since when is shaking someone considered violence?

[omid17]

So the woman punches him in the face, he grabs and shakes her, and he gets arrested? Since when is shaking someone considered violence?well that's what Quinn said, and he had no marks, which doesn't help out.

[cyborg ninja 14]

I somehow blame Shawne Merriman.

I really hate that guy. I should post more here about I hate Shawne Merriman.

Dude does roids and no one gives a **** cause in football it's not as penalized. Whatever. *******s.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea fair point. But who is to say she hit him in the face? You wouldn't have visible marks if you got hit on the actual head, your hair would cover them.

But whatever.

[Ace of Knaves]

I somehow blame Shawne Merriman.

I really hate that guy. I should post more here about I hate Shawne Merriman.

Dude does roids and no one gives a **** cause in football it's not as penalized. Whatever. *******s.

Wait...so the organization actually knows he does roids? And he is still playing?

[cyborg ninja 14]

Wait...so the organization actually knows he does roids? And he is still playing?

Did roids. Whatever. He did them but wasn't nailed to a cross like say a high profile professional baseball player. He also plays for the Chargers who I hate, and everything I know about the guy I just can't like him. And the fact that he did steriods but is still praised by the kiss ass national media.

He also chokes *****es lol

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny: What a disgrace. I'm sure roids give more advantages to a gridiron player than a baseball player. So compared to those baseball players he is far worse a cheat.

[omid17]

Yea fair point. But who is to say she hit him in the face? You wouldn't have visible marks if you got hit on the actual head, your hair would cover them.

But whatever.yea, it's pretty much a citizens arrest, and she was the one who called

[cyborg ninja 14]

:funny: What a disgrace. I'm sure roids give more advantages to a gridiron player than a baseball player. So compared to those baseball players he is far worse a cheat.

I just hate how the roid standards are held differently within the sports. baseball is like a scarlett letter and football people easily forget about it.

[Ace of Knaves]

Probably because there is A LOT of players who do them, it is more accepted. That's wrong but not everything in life is right.

[omid17]

Did roids. Whatever. He did them but wasn't nailed to a cross like say a high profile professional baseball player. He also plays for the Chargers who I hate, and everything I know about the guy I just can't like him. And the fact that he did steriods but is still praised by the kiss ass national media.

He also chokes *****es lol
he was suspendend for 4 games

[cyborg ninja 14]

Probably because there is A LOT of players who do them, it is more accepted. That's wrong but not everything in life is right.

he was suspendend for 4 games

I know. I still and will forever despite him.

[Ace of Knaves]

See doing roids is actual cheating. It's giving the player a unfair advantage. So it should of been a more severe punishment than that.

[omid17]

I know. I still and will forever despite him.love the Pats

After the Chargers were eliminated in the playoffs by the New England Patriots (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Patriots) that season, members of the Patriots began performing Merriman's "Lights Out" dance on the field in celebration. Merriman's Chargers teammate LaDainian Tomlinson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaDainian_Tomlinson), referred to the act as showing no class and being disrespectful

[omid17]

See doing roids is actual cheating. It's giving the player a unfair advantage. So it should of been a more severe punishment than that.yea but the thing is that there's only 16 games in the nfl, so he pretty much missed 1/4th of the season

[BlackLantern]

So the woman punches him in the face, he grabs and shakes her, and he gets arrested? Since when is shaking someone considered violence?

shaking someone violently is still considered assault

[Darthphere]

Shake it...like a polaroid picture.

[Bob ROARman!]

I just hate how the roid standards are held differently within the sports. baseball is like a scarlett letter and football people easily forget about it.

Because individual stats in baseball are held in much, much higher regard than in just about any other sport. Which to me is dumb, because baseball has gone through many changes throughout the decades just as football has. But that's the way it is.

[StorminNorman]

I just hate how the roid standards are held differently within the sports. baseball is like a scarlett letter and football people easily forget about it.

Baseball's higher value on individual records and their own failures as a league to address it (because it made them a tone of money) are why it's such a bigger scandal for MLB than NFL.

Probably because there is A LOT of players who do them, it is more accepted. That's wrong but not everything in life is right.

The NFL has actually been very proactive with their steroids policy for a while, so there really isn't a great pandemic.

[Dark Donnie]

I just hate how the roid standards are held differently within the sports. baseball is like a scarlett letter and football people easily forget about it.

Baseball is different because of all the sports I would say baseball records are held in the highest regard.

[Dr. Evil]

Umm...I don't know what to make of these comments from Carson Palmer:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/peter_king/09/06/mmqb/3.html

[Darthphere]

Well it's not really that far fetched.

[Dr. Evil]

Goddell may have gone mad:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/danpatrick/blog/76661/index.html?eref=fromSI#ixzz0QWzLhIPT

I don't see how that works. It would be a nightmare for the AFC West and NFC West teams to fly to London unless they are playing on the East Coast or have a bye week before they play in London. Even then that would cause problems.

[Immortalfire]

:facepalm

:facepalm

[Mister J]

The Hammer needs to get over this international ****.

Subject him to about 20 hours of World League play video. That should do it.

[Immortalfire]

Seriously. He and the NBA both need to ditch this Euro-love.

[Mastodon123]

Theres no way a team overseas can have success in the NFL. Goodell is just looking at the $$$.

[FaT_tONle]

If teams ever go to Europe they have to add a four team division over there just to ease the travel. It's never going to happen. The NBA is fifty years closer to adding teams in Europe than the NFL, and the NBA is probably light years away from that. Goodell is talking out of his ass like he normally does with this overseas stuff. The more and more I see it, Goodell is more of a business/politician than he is a football guy. NFL will need a new face sooner than later.

[omid17]

Seriously. He and the NBA both need to ditch this Euro-love.word

[Addendum]

I could see an NHL team from Europe before the NBA or NFL.

However, I don't mind the international games.

[That-Guy]

Well, let's see. The season is about to start, and boy has it been crazy since the the last Lombardi Trophy was raised. Let's commemorate by listing the Things We (Probably) Learned in the 2009 Off-Season.

- Brett Favre will play football until his arm literally gets ripped off.

- When you're a rookie head coach, don't even have "conversations" with anyone about the possibility of trading your pro-bowl QB.

- Future Hall of Famer or not, T.O. will never wear a Super Bowl ring.

- The invention of Twitter has caused Chad Ochocinco to defy reality by becoming even more annoying.

- The only job crappier than playing for the Raiders is apparently being on of their coaching staff. At least as a player, you get to wear a facemask to block oncoming blows.

- A woman who calls herself Tila Tequila is "allergic" to alcohol. Uh, yeah.

- Watching Jon Buzzeo on TV is the equivalent of getting a colonoscopy with a rusty sewer pipe.

- Keeping your starting QB a secret until the opening game gives you a huge advantage. In fact, you should have him wear a mask and a cape on opening weekend, just to add to the mystique.

- schism: [skiz-uhm]

–noun 1. division or disunion, esp. into mutually opposed parties.
2. the parties so formed.
3. Ecclesiastical.
a. a formal division within, or separation from, a church or religious body over some doctrinal difference.
b. the state of a sect or body formed by such division.
c. the offense of causing or seeking to cause such a division.



More?

[BlackLantern]

Richard Seymour has not reported to Oakland

[That-Guy]

Richard Seymour has not reported to Oakland

Can you blame him?

[Immortalfire]

Richard Seymour has not reported to Oakland

He's been delayed. He was just trying to get a quick bite to eat, but unfortunately JaMarcus Russell had already been to each place he went and cleaned 'em out.

[Darthphere]

Richard Seymour has not reported to Oakland

John Clayton says he's trying to figure out the logistics of moving his family from coast to coast.

[Dr. Evil]

ESPN has hired their 1 millionth and first NFL Analyst:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4454594

[Mister J]

Cripes. They should just make a ESPN Analyst position part of the NFL Pension Plan and get it over with.

[BlackLantern]

Can you blame him?

not in the least

John Clayton says he's trying to figure out the logistics of moving his family from coast to coast.

which still doesn't explain the reports that Oakland has had ZERO contact with him....nary a phone call, e-mail, or text message

[CConn]

What the **** does Michael Vick's skin color have to do with Donovan McNabb "accepting" him back into the League?

[omid17]

which still doesn't explain the reports that Oakland has had ZERO contact with him....nary a phone call, e-mail, or text message

don't know if it's true but was on yahoo

Cable said he spoke with Seymour earlier this week and that the defensive lineman told him he wants to play in Oakland.

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe Raiders will have the cap room to bring in Merriman next year and actually field a half decent defense. I wonder where they get all that cap room with some of those contracts, Al Davis can still work those numbers I guess. Numbers in the losing column.

[Mastodon123]

Maybe Raiders will have the cap room to bring in Merriman next year and actually field a half decent defense. I wonder where they get all that cap room with some of those contracts, Al Davis can still work those numbers I guess. Numbers in the losing column.

Next year is a uncapped year.

The Chargers would be stupid to let Merriman become a free agent and risk him signing with a team within the division instead of trading him. If its true they don't plan on resigning him, they better trade him and get some value for him.

[SurfDUI]

For those that lurk... were almost ready for Kickoff-take a deap cleansing breath before the storm hits. For those that post, more of the same. bark, bark.:word:

For those who are fans of the hood teams...Eagles, Falcons, Ravens I wish you luck- scratch the damned Ravens! In your endeavors to the playoffs GOOD luck to you all, may nobody get seriously hurt.

Having said that, this is the year for YOUR Indianapolis COLTS to bounce back to the top of the AFC South heap, then to the AFC, then to another Superbowl appearace. Were healthy, hungry, and have no regard for your safety when hosting in faboolos Lucas Oil Staduim.

Just like the quote in the movie Gladiator- "..You who are about to die, I salute you"

I'm Readyforsomefootball dammitt:cmad: Lets gititown

[bunk]

Looks like the Ravens are going to be picking up David Tyree.

[Alex The Great]

Can't wait for the season to begin! yahoo!

[Kaleb]

Im dying of laughter here

tByP3Q-zTUw

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Immortalfire]

OMG :lmao:

[bunk]

"he marches right up to Kyle Boller and asks him for an autograph.." LOL!

[Mister J]

That's hilarious. :woot:

[Kaleb]

Looks like the Ravens are going to be picking up David Tyree.
I like the move.

[Immortalfire]

Matt Ryan's new Air Tran commercial

fN58wEUcRZQ

[ComicChick]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7110/foxpropicks300top.jpg
NFL U Pick Em Game

I thought I'd post this here. Played this last season and had a good time. This is open to any hype members. Just like the Yahoo U Pick Em, so this is great for those who weren't able to get in that, and for those who want to play elsewhere too. This is put on by a local radio station here but it's also national.

One of the features of 106.9 The Fox's Pro Picks Contest is that you can compare your scores with that of your friends on a private page.

To join your friends' group, first sign up for the contest at http://1069thefox.profootball.upickem.net, which enables you to win prizes for each week or a grand prize overall. Then, after you log in, click on the "My Groups" tab, and then click on "Join a Private Group," and submit the following:

Contest URL: http://1069thefox.profootball.upickem.net
Group Name: SHH!
Group Password: hyper

They offer real prizes and it's lots of fun. Thought others might be interested.

[bunk]

I like the move.

Yeah, we can always use more experience and depth there. He doesn't really excite me though. I guess they'll wait until next week to sign him.

[StorminNorman]

My Week 1 Picks:

Pit over Ten
Atl over Mia
Phi over Car
Bal over KC
Cin over Den
Min over Cle
Hou over NYJ
Jax over Ind
NO over Det
Dal over TB
Ari over SF
Was over NYG
STL over Sea
GB over Chi
NE over Buf
SD over Oak

[StorminNorman]

I like the move.

Unless you are palying in the Super Bowl, Tyree won't help much. :o

[Caped Crusader]

hahahaha that video was great! :lmao:

[Kaleb]

My Week 1 Picks:

Pit over Ten
Atl over Mia
Phi over Car
Bal over KC
Cin over Den
Min over Cle
Hou over NYJ
Ind over Jax
NO over Det
Dal over TB
Ari over SF
NyG over Was
STL over Sea
GB over Chi
NE over Buf
SD over Oak

[Caped Crusader]

My Week 1 Picks:

Ten over Pitt
Mia over Atl
Phi over Car
Bal over KC
Cin over Den
Min over Cle
Hou over NYJ
Ind over Jax
Det over NO
TB over Dal
Ari over SF
NYG over Was
STL over Sea
GB over Chi
NE over Buf
Oak over SD


Picked a few minor upsets

[Immortalfire]

It's at this time of year I really begin to miss GR87 :csad:

[Franklin Richards]

They better work hard or they might end up like Drew Henson.

Bwahahahaha!


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[omid17]

The Chargers are hungry and Larry English is buying (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/The-Chargers-are-hungry-and-Larry-English-is-buy?urn=nfl,188313)


It's a San Diego Chargers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sdg/) (and perhaps NFL) tradition. The team's rookie first-rounder is obligated to take the rest of the team out to dinner, and without fail, at this dinner, every monstrous defensive tackle on the team gorges themselves on lobster tails like they haven't eaten in a month. No one's really shy about running up the bill.
This year, Larry English (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9280/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9280/news) was the lucky rookie. Shaun Phillips tweeted the damage (http://twitter.com/ShaunPhillips95/status/3833606581):


Immediate reaction: Yikes.
Upon further review, though, Larry English got off light. Shawne Merriman (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7188/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7188/news) says that after he was drafted, his rookie dinner cost him $32,000. Maybe Merriman took everyone out to a fine steakhouse, and Larry English insisted on TGI Friday's. Five dollars to make a couple of deserts a la mode doesn't seem unreasonable.
The other famous Chargers rookie dinner came back in 1998 (http://www.sdnn.com/sandiego/2009-06-02/sports/hacksaw-end-of-the-road-for-ryan-leaf), when a young man named Ryan Leaf was expected to take everyone out to dinner. Leaf was, um, reluctant, we'll say ... so Junior Seau (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1548/)(notes) (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1548/news) stole his credit card and made it happen anyway. Leaf had a fit, and his bill was only $3,000. I hope everyone enjoyed their Extra Value Meals that night.
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z277/venomwithin/ept_sports_nfl_experts-893434219-12.jpg

[Excel]

Hahahaha

[That-Guy]

My Week 1 Picks:

Pit over Ten
Atl over Mia
Car over Phi
KC over Bal
Den over Cin
Min over Cle
NYJ over Hou
Ind over Jax
NO over Det
TB over Dal
Ari over SF
NyG over Was
Sea over STL
Chi over GB
NE over Buf
SD over Oak

Admittedly, a few of those picks are just wishful thinking, but hey, anything can happen.

[FaT_tONle]

Hahahaha

Figures why Eli wanted out of San Diego... :wow:

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

And Michael Crabtree isn't signing with the 49ers this year :(

[BlackLantern]

And Michael Crabtree isn't signing with the 49ers this year :(

everyone that bought a Crabtree jersey now feels stupid....well if he goes back into the draft next year he's probably going to drop into the 5th or 6th round...maybe more because of all the bad press

[cyborg ninja 14]

My Week 1 Picks:

Pit over Ten
Atl over Mia
Phi over Car
Bal over KC
Cin over Den
Min over Cle
Hou over NYJ
Jax over Ind
NO over Det
Dal over TB
Ari over SF
Was over NYG
STL over Sea
GB over Chi
NE over Buf
SD over Oak

I disagree with the Cincy pick:o

[StorminNorman]

everyone that bought a Crabtree jersey now feels stupid....well if he goes back into the draft next year he's probably going to drop into the 5th or 6th round...maybe more because of all the bad press

Maurice Clarett was drafted in the 3rd round, there is no way Crabtree falls out of the first two rounds.

[omid17]

Crabtrees overrated imo, he's lucky he even made top 10

[That-Guy]

Anyone catch America's Game tonight? Great stuff. IMO, it can't get any better than the awesome team-up of the Steelers and Don Draper. :D

[SurfDUI]

season is about to start, and boy has it been crazy since the the last Lombardi Trophy was raised.

- Brett Favre will play football until his arm literally gets ripped off.

U Go Bret



- A woman who calls herself Tila Tequila is "allergic" to alcohol. Uh, yeah.


:doh:I'm kinda dissapointed in Merriman's taste in whores- Dude your in the NFL, why are you chasing reality T.V. leftovers...You deserve whatever you get.



- Keeping your starting QB a secret until the opening game gives you a huge advantage. In fact, you should have him wear a mask and a cape on opening weekend, just to add to the mystique.

He ought to come out of the Dog Pound and rip off the cape and come on to the field, like a WWF star

[Trainwreck2100]

:doh:I'm kinda dissapointed in Merriman's taste in whores- Dude your in the NFL, why are you chasing reality T.V. leftovers...You deserve whatever you get.


The world would be a better place without all these crap myspace celebrities

back on topic yay 8 hours

[That-Guy]

He ought to come out of the Dog Pound and rip off the cape and come on to the field, like a WWF star

LOL, yeah. So they finally went with Quinn. Whoop dee s**t. Maybe he'll be the guy that so many Cleveland fans want him to be, but it seems doubtful. I don't understand how guys like Quinn get so much fan support when they haven't proven anything yet. I know Derek Anderson didn't play well last season, but he was awesome in 07, so logically you would think that people would back the guy who has proven that he can get it done at least one time, versus the guy who played well in college. It's like people who wanted Sage Rosenfails to start for the Vikings. That dude is lucky he's even a backup.

[Immortalfire]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuvzLUc9V1WVtbTd8usgneY5nYcB?slug=ap-madden-specialadviser&prov=ap&type=lgns

Hall of Fame coach John Madden will serve as a special adviser to NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

The league said Thursday that as part of his unpaid position Madden will chair the coaches group in the competition committee. Madden will also participate in meetings of a general managers committee and be part of a weekly call with Goodell or another NFL official to discuss issues from the previous week’s games.

Madden retired from broadcasting in April. He says the new role allows him to stay active in football. Goodell says that when Madden suggested helping out, “it was an offer we couldn’t refuse.” This ought to be good

:facepalm:

[Alex The Great]

''Boom! I'm back baby!''

[Silver Knight]

Lets go Jags!

[BillyZaned]

anyone else think Crabtree is the dumbest SOB in a long time...

[BillyZaned]

My Week 1 Picks:

Pit over Ten
Atl over Mia
Phi over Car
Bal over KC
Cin over Den
Min over Cle
Hou over NYJ
Jax over Ind
NO over Det
Dal over TB
Ari over SF
NYG over Was
Sea over STL
GB over Chi
NE over Buf
SD over Oak

[CELTICPRED]

Should definitely be a good game tonight.

Thank God football is back. :up:

[That-Guy]

anyone else think Crabtree is the dumbest SOB in a long time...

I don't know about dumb, but arrogant certainly comes to mind.

However, if he does end up sitting out the season and then doesn't end up as a high pick next year... yeah, then he'll look like a moron. Right now I just think he's coming off like a money-hungry douchebag. Granted, I understand that his might be the only point in his career where he "has the power" so to speak... but he also has never played in an NFL game. He could, very possibly, run out onto the field and break his leg in the season opener.

Not that I'd ever want something like that to happen; I'm just trying to put it in perspective here. These first round draft picks need to understand that they haven't proven anything yet, and oftentimes, they're not worth the money they receive.

[Bob ROARman!]

LOL, yeah. So they finally went with Quinn. Whoop dee s**t. Maybe he'll be the guy that so many Cleveland fans want him to be, but it seems doubtful. I don't understand how guys like Quinn get so much fan support when they haven't proven anything yet. I know Derek Anderson didn't play well last season, but he was awesome in 07, so logically you would think that people would back the guy who has proven that he can get it done at least one time, versus the guy who played well in college. It's like people who wanted Sage Rosenfails to start for the Vikings. That dude is lucky he's even a backup.

Quinn played for Notre Dame and Notre Dame has a huge following, especially in the mid west around Illinois, Indiana, Ohio etc. So yeah he's going to get a lot of fan support. Shouldn't be too hard to understand.

[BillyZaned]

I don't know about dumb, but arrogant certainly comes to mind.

However, if he does end up sitting out the season and then doesn't end up as a high pick next year... yeah, then he'll look like a moron. Right now I just think he's coming off like a money-hungry douchebag. Granted, I understand that his might be the only point in his career where he "has the power" so to speak... but he also has never played in an NFL game. He could, very possibly, run out onto the field and break his leg in the season opener.

Not that I'd ever want something like that to happen; I'm just trying to put it in perspective here. These first round draft picks need to understand that they haven't proven anything yet, and oftentimes, they're not worth the money they receive.

Justin Harrel and AJ Hawk come to mind

[Mastodon123]

Crabtree should join the UFL so you can prove hes worth the big bucks, and enter the draft again in 2010.

[Darthphere]

Crabtree should join the UFL so you can prove hes worth the big bucks, and enter the draft again in 2010.

He can't, unless he wants to be sued.

[Dark Donnie]

I'm pretty sure he could do that....

[Mastodon123]

He can't, unless he wants to be sued.

Hes not under contract. 49ers just own his rights.

Jim Kelly was drafted by the Bills in 1983, but didn't join until the team until 1986 because he decided to join the USFL instead. I'm not sure if things are different, but Crabs could probably do the same thing.

It would make him look less stupid if he joined UFL instead of staying out of football for a year and letting his draft stock fall.

[ComicChick]

im posting this in case anyone wants to sign up and play: NFL U Pick Em Game

I created a group solely for Hype Members to play. Ive played this the last couple of years with friends so now i wanna invite some of you to play too.
It's a U Pick Em game, so all you have to do is pick the winners of each NFL football game.

We've got a few players so far, and I think it'd be cool to get a bunch more. You can compare how you're doing with other hype members and other members across the nation. There's already 110,000+ people playing nationwide.

Contest URL: http://1069thefox.profootball.upickem.net
Group Name: SHH!
Group Password: hyper

if you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask :)
If you want to invite friends of yours to play with us, i'm ok with that too. the more the merrier

and no its not for survivor. i have a group set up to play with my friends and i thought itd be fun to set up a group for my internet friends and hype members too.

[That-Guy]

Quinn played for Notre Dame and Notre Dame has a huge following, especially in the mid west around Illinois, Indiana, Ohio etc. So yeah he's going to get a lot of fan support. Shouldn't be too hard to understand.

It is when he's still getting the "lets not start him too early" treatment after two years in the league. I know Mangini named him as the starter, but look how long it took.

[Immortalfire]

Quinn played for Notre Dame and Notre Dame has a huge following, especially in the mid west around Illinois, Indiana, Ohio etc. So yeah he's going to get a lot of fan support. Shouldn't be too hard to understand.

That's exactly why they took him.

[cyborg ninja 14]

NFL failed it up by starting the pre-game to the first game of the season with the black eyed peas. Dumbasses:rolleyes:

[Excel]

Well the nfl has a feeling that tonights gonna be a good night, that tonights gonna be a good good night.

[SuperJediHero]

Faith Hill is still singing the Intro?

[Kane52630]

hey i like the BEP, however i dont like that chick hosting, from those gossip shows
how is she relevant to football?

[SuperJediHero]

Madden NFL 10 do look GREAT!!!

I was just really disappointed they didn't do a Collector's Edition!

[SuperJediHero]

Alright 9/11 Memorial that's right!

[Dark Helmet]

Go Titan's

[Dr. Evil]

Sigh...new season, same damn techno music

[Trainwreck2100]

i find the lack of Faith Hill disturbing

[Dr. Evil]

the Steelers have a WR named Mike Wallace. I wonder if his agent is named Morley Safer?

[Matt]

1) Mike Wallace actually has some good legs on him. He burnt those Titans defenders, Ben just under threw him. But that kid is quick.

2) Polamalu just tore Johnson a new ass hole.

3) How about Logan on the returns? He's not lookin' too shabby.

4) What is it with the Steelers and these screen passes? Three already.

5) GO STEELERS! THE AVATAR IS COMING!

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r62/stref2001/SteelersIKYN.gif

[bunk]

Ben is a real moron sometimes. It's okay to throw the ball away.

[SuperJediHero]

They don't have the Intro w/ Faith Hill anymore? Or, it's officially on Sunday?

[Matt]

Polamalu is playing like a beast tonight. And that unneccessary roughness call was B.S.

[SuperJediHero]

Polamalu is playing like a beast tonight. And that unneccessary roughness call was B.S.

What's the point in having such long hair? :huh: It looks good on women, but not men!

[Trainwreck2100]

Polamalu is playing like a beast tonight. And that unneccessary roughness call was B.S.

the guy was out of bounds

[Trainwreck2100]

somebody want to tell Tennessee's punt returner there's a thing called the fair catch

[Matt]

the guy was out of bounds

Troy was in midtackle. Sepulvada is having a great start to the season. He's looking really good.

[Matt]

somebody want to tell Tennessee's punt returner there's a thing called the fair catch

I'm suprised Fisher would allow that to happen twice, yet alone three times.

[CELTICPRED]

What's the point in having such long hair? :huh: It looks good on women, but not men!

Why do people shave their heads? Looks good on men, but not women.

:oldrazz:

[Immortalfire]

What's the point in having such long hair? :huh: It looks good on women, but not men!

There is no Troy. There is only the hair.

[Trainwreck2100]

What's the point in having such long hair? :huh: It looks good on women, but not men!

that's why i like it when he gets tackled by his hair, you don't like it, cut it off

[Immortalfire]

Whoooaaaaa Troy...that was incredible :eek:

[CELTICPRED]

Troy is man.

[Bunker]

Polamalu is playing filthy tonight.

Wow.

His hair is feathered AND lethal.

[Kane52630]

Polamalu with the steal!

[Matt]

Collins is looking damn good. For a quarterback whose career has been all around mediocre, save a couple seasons, he's certainly found a niche with the Titans.

INTERCEPTION TROY! God, he looks amazing tonight. He is single handedly keeping the Steelers in this game.

[enterthemadness]

That ball may have been a bit underthrown, but that was a hell of a play. One handed INT.

[Matt]

What!?! Polamalu gets unnecessary roughness when he was in mid-tackle and there was no roughing the passer for that play!?! The first quarter isn't even over and the refs already suck! :cmad:

Sigh...lookin' good Ben. :dry:

[Kane52630]

i guess Troy is going to the Pro Bowl with that play alone lol

[Dark Helmet]

Get that ball back Titan's suck it Steeler's

[bunk]

Same old Ben I see.

[Matt]

Get that ball back Titan's suck it Steeler's

Nice super bowl ring Tennessee Titans...oh...wait. :o

[Trainwreck2100]

Same old Ben I see.
that was a really nice pass though`

[Kane52630]

Nice super bowl ring Tennessee Titans...oh...wait. :o

Oh Snap!

[Dark Helmet]

Nice super bowl ring Tennessee Titans...oh...wait. :o

That game was paid off last year

[Immortalfire]

Sack that quarterback

[Addendum]

That game was paid off last year

Waaa That game was rigged because I lost a bet

[Matt]

That game was paid off last year

Such a poor sport. And what of the other 5, compared to your zero?

Also, its about time the other members of the Steeler defense start stepping up!

[Dark Helmet]

Sack that quarterback


The Titan's already has a blitz on the Steeler's so pfft

[Trainwreck2100]

nice to see somebody knows what a fair catch is

[Matt]

These refs are ****. They are calling any and everything against the Steelers and nothing on the Titans. That last hold against Stark was BS, and the hit against Ward was a good 5 seconds after he was on the ground and they call nothing! Clearly the NFL isn't fixing their crappy ref problem this season.

[Trainwreck2100]

These refs are ****. They are calling any and everything against the Steelers and nothing on the Titans. That last hold against Stark was BS, and the hit against Ward was a good 5 seconds after he was on the ground and they call nothing! Clearly the NFL isn't fixing their crappy ref problem this season.
and it hurt the steelers how?

[Dark Helmet]

These refs are ****. They are calling any and everything against the Steelers and nothing on the Titans. That last hold against Stark was BS, and the hit against Ward was a good 5 seconds after he was on the ground and they call nothing! Clearly the NFL isn't fixing their crappy ref problem this season.

The Steeler's had it coming eventually

[NewYorkSpider]

Great defensive game tonight.

[Hunter Rider]

Big Troy is a human highlight reel!

[Matt]

and it hurt the steelers how?

That's because a great team like the Steelers can overcome penalties. After last season you'd think Goodell would do something about the refs though.

The Steeler's had it coming eventually

:whatever: Childish much?

[Trainwreck2100]

please tell me that AP commercial wasn't Nike's big football commercial this year, cause their were so many things wrong with it

[Matt]

Great defensive game tonight.

Yep. A lot of people prefer offensive games, but I love a good down and dirty defensive game. This is pure football. :up:

[Dark Helmet]

That's because a great team like the Steelers can overcome penalties. After last season you'd think Goodell would do something about the refs though.



:whatever: Childish much?

Say's the guy whining about almost every call against the Steeler's

[Matt]

Says the guy who claims the Super Bowl refs were bribed.

[Matt]

WHAT!?! THAT WAS OFFENSIVE PASS INTERFERENCE! God, when Chris Collinsworth of all people is defending the Steelers you know something is wrong. These refs are horrid.

[Dark Helmet]

Well we both agree that the ref's suck so thats something

[Dr. Evil]

There will be at least 20 penalties per game each week of the NFL season

[Matt]

Okay, that one was legit.

[NewYorkSpider]

I'm glad I picked up the Steelers D in our SHH league. :yay:

[Matt]

Daaaaaayumn!

[Dark Helmet]

Got to give prop's to both teams. Hell of a game to start the season to

[Trainwreck2100]

why do they have to give credence to that ugly blonde by announcing Ben's legal trouble, this isn't access hollywood

[Matt]

The amazing thing, despite this woman's settlement offer which takes away the little credibility she has left, Collinsworth still doesn't defend Ben. He implies Ben is lying, in fact. What is Collinsworth's problem with the Steelers? Any time he announces a Steelers game he is incredibly biased against them.

[Kane52630]

About time!

[Trainwreck2100]

damn the secondary got torched two straight times

[Matt]

Despite the best effort of the refs, we have the first TD of the 2009 NFL season!

[bunk]

What's Troy's problem?

[Matt]

Oi, leave it to the Steelers to give it right back. :dry:

[Matt]

What's Troy's problem?

Leg by the looks of it.

[Trainwreck2100]

What's Troy's problem?
he's done for the night that's for sure

[Addendum]

What's Troy's problem?

He's still hurting after doing the splits

[Kane52630]

Its Tied

[bunk]

I'm guessing he feels even worse about now.

[Kane52630]

Playboy models playing Guitar Hero = FAIL.

[Matt]

Y'know, Logan is looking damn good as a returner. He could break a few this year.

[Matt]

Heath Miller = most underrated tight end in NFL.

Also, move over Brady and Manning...Big Ben is the new king of the two minute drill.

[Kane52630]

I'm liking that the new Guitar Hero commercial isn't super gay like the Guitar Hero 4 one

i did like the heidi klum commercial

[Dark Helmet]

That was terrible Ben

[Matt]

Oi, these refs and their illegal formations. :cmad:

[Dark Helmet]

Nice run

[Excel]

1. The Refs are calling too many penalties

2. Ben Roethlisbeger is playing well but these random iditic interceptions are killing my fantasy stats :cmad: And psh, nobody is better than two minutes than Brady.

3. How tall is that Logan guy, like, 5'0?

4. Anybody else surprised how ineffective Pittsburgs been at running the ball?

[vindrow]

The refs in this game are utterly horrible.

[vindrow]

With their terrible offensive line and Arians as OC the running game will be bad again this year.

[CELTICPRED]

This lawsuit with Ben is still being dragged on?

[Trainwreck2100]

i hope troy got his knee down fast enough and the mri's negative, but that did not look good

[Matt]

1. The Refs are calling too many penalties

2. Ben Roethlisbeger is playing well but these random iditic interceptions are killing my fantasy stats :cmad: And psh, nobody is better than two minutes than Brady.

3. How tall is that Logan guy, like, 5'0?

4. Anybody else surprised how ineffective Pittsburgs been at running the ball?

Not really. Pittsburgh still needs its big rusher. Someone like the Bus. They still don't have that. Speed can only take you so far as an NFL running back, especially with a team like the Steelers. You need power, and Willie doesn't have that. Plus the O-line blows.

[vindrow]

This lawsuit with Ben is still being dragged on?

Unfortunatly, but her case is on very shaky ground right now.

[Matt]

With their terrible offensive line and Arians as OC the running game will be bad again this year.

Arians needs to be fired. He is the most predictable OC in the NFL. Fire Arians and bring back Mike Mularky. :cmad:

[vindrow]

Arians needs to be fired. He is the most predictable OC in the NFL. Fire Arians and bring back Mike Mularky. :cmad:


Hell, jsut about any OC would be better than Arians.

[Excel]

How hard coudl it be to be the OC of the Steelers, I would run the no huddle 24/7.

Id like to see some more Mendenhall.

[CELTICPRED]

Ditka Coors commercial!!!

:up:

[Matt]

This lawsuit with Ben is still being dragged on?

They shouldn't even be humoring it with coverage. This woman has been proven entirely uncredible.

Also, you hate to see a fumble get recovered like that.

[vindrow]

How hard coudl it be to be the OC of the Steelers, I would run the no huddle 24/7.

Id like to see some more Mendenhall.


Running the no huddle is about the only time they score.

[Matt]

How hard coudl it be to be the OC of the Steelers, I would run the no huddle 24/7.


Yet Arians finds a way to make it hard. He's so f'n predictable.

Run, run, pass, repeat. And every now and then he'll do something entirely predictable and stupid like that. Willie is not a 3rd and short back. There is a reason the Steelers have an abysmal 3rd and 1 percentage and its because of Arians doing stupid **** like trying to send Willie up the middle.

[vindrow]

Yet Arians finds a way to make it hard. He's so f'n predictable.

Run, run, pass, repeat.


Yup, or 3 straight runs up the middle for no gain.

[Trainwreck2100]

That punt returner is having a real bad game

[Matt]

Yup, or 3 straight runs up the middle for no gain.

The funny thing is, Willie isn't the type of RB you should even be sending up the middle.

[vindrow]

The funny thing is, Willie isn't the type of RB you should even be sending up the middle.



Exactly, to me thats why they should have kept Redman on teh roster, he would have been perfect for 3rd and short.

[Matt]

Yep, or get an offensive coordinator who can do something other than an up the middle run on third and one.

[vindrow]

Yep, or get an offensive coordinator who can do something other than an up the middle run on third and one.


Only thing we can hope for is to win another SB, and hope some idiotic team out there gives Arians a HC job.

[Matt]

Ugh, they'd have to be pretty desperate.

Hmm, Cincinatti?

[Dr. Evil]

Ditka Coors commercial!!!

:up:

Another one with Ditka and Brian Billick.

[Matt]

Oh man, Finnigan is just embarrassing himself on the punt return. He needs to take one to the house or he is going to be a laughing stock on the Sunday shows.

[CELTICPRED]

another one with ditka and brian billick.

michael!!!!!

[Matt]

Oh man, Fisher looks pissed. 3 illegal formations. Win or lose I'd hate to be the Titans offense in the locker room after this game.

[bunk]

Oh man, Finnigan is just embarrassing himself on the punt return. He needs to take one to the house or he is going to be a laughing stock on the Sunday shows.

He's an idiot. Doing idiotic things is basically his mo. Still, I don't think anyone will be spending much time talking about him after the game.

[Matt]

He's an idiot. Doing idiotic things is basically his mo. Still, I don't think anyone will be spending much time talking about him after the game.

No, but I could see them spending a few seconds making fun of him on Sports Center tomorrow.

[Dark Helmet]

& now it should hopefully get interesting

[Dr. Evil]

Snoop Dogg's in the Heezy in Pittsburgh

[bunk]

Titans are getting out played on special teams all night.

[Mastodon123]

i hope troy got his knee down fast enough and the mri's negative, but that did not look good

Madden does it again. Fitz better watch the **** out.

[Dr. Evil]

:facepalm: at Sears commercial

[Matt]

:lmao: I thought the Brett Favre Sears commercial was hillarious.

[CELTICPRED]

Another great Coors commercial though.

[Dr. Evil]

I'm tired of Favre.

[CELTICPRED]

Jerome Kearse?

:hehe:

Damn nice hit.

[Trainwreck2100]

I'm tired of Favre.

me too....wait no i'm not......actually i kinda am........and yet

[Dark Helmet]

Jerome Kearse?

:hehe:

Damn nice hit.

All it takes is one team to get ahead for the good stuff to happen & I see the Titan's are getting full of themselves

[Matt]

****in' Arians. Worst. OC. Ever.

Your O-Line is getting blown out on 3rd and short when you go up the middle all night. So what do you do when the game is on the line? Run it up the middle...yet again. This is the most predictable OC in the game. He has no variety. Ben's short passes were working, but nope, he sticks with the run up the middle after it fails on the previous play. He needs to be fired.

[Dark Helmet]

The Titan's needs a new Field Goal kicker

[bunk]

The Titan's needs a new Field Goal kicker

Ha ha, let's not go overboard.

[Matt]

I wouldn't say that. Bironas is one of the best in the game. Heinz field is just a remarkably hard field to kick on.

[Dark Helmet]

Ha ha, let's not go overboard.

How do you miss two field goals in the first game of the season ?

[Trainwreck2100]

wow, they lost the two minute warning

[Matt]

Dick LeBeau is finally starting to get this defense alive and bring some pressure! Now lets see Ben win this game!

[Addendum]

Damn good game

[Matt]

Bad timing for a short punt.

[Trainwreck2100]

:dry:

[Dark Helmet]

Damn good game

Aside from the ****** refs indeed good game & how do the Steelers always seem to find themsleves in this type of position near the end of games ? :cmad:

[Matt]

Damn good game

Yep, despite the crappy reffing in the first half, this has turned into a great start to the NFL season!

[Trainwreck2100]

well that's game

[Dark Helmet]

well that's game

Fumble

[Trainwreck2100]

well that's game
i stand corrected

[Matt]

Aside from the ****** refs indeed good game & how do the Steelers always seem to find themsleves in this type of position near the end of games ? :cmad:

Good clock management and a team that performs best under pressure. The Steelers thrive when they are under dogs.

****IN HINES WARD!!!! Argh...that is the kind of mistake Hines will make once a season but it happened at the most inopportune time. :cmad: