2009 NFL Thread

[omid17]

Man remember Culpepper last season? Guy had some tig o bitties

[redfirebird2008]

Fixed

LOL. That too. They drafted these two guys completely based on the most basic measurables, fundamentals be damned (accuracy, catching, route-running). :doh:

Granted, it's still too early to tell on DHB but at the very least they could have traded down into the late first round or early second round to draft him. While I do believe you can coach certain things, I've seen living proof that sometimes a case of Butterfingers is too strong for even the best coaching to overcome it. We have a guy at Texas Tech by the name of Ed Britton. He is a burner, runs a 4.4 40 yard dash, maybe even faster than that. But he cannot catch. And we have the infamous tennis ball machine shooting tennis balls at him 70 mph and we have him constantly practicing with our QB's to work on catching the ball. He's been in the program for 4 years and still struggles to catch the ball. At some point coaching just can't overcome a natural inability or lack of coordination. Just because DHB is a freak athlete (big, fast, great leaper) doesn't mean he can be taught to catch the ball. Some people are born with it and others can be taught it while some simply can't learn it no matter how hard they try. We will see how he turns out but he is not getting much help from Fatty Russell, who overthrows every receiver on the team by 15 yards.

[BlackLantern]

some rookie on the Redskins essentially insulted washington redskins fans by telling them to not come to the field to boo the team and then further went on to say that those who work 9-5 and work at McDonalds have nothing to do with the way the redskins play

[Immortalfire]

Yeah they're just the people that buy the tickets, buy the merchandise, and all but make the players lives possible.

[BlackLantern]

and this is also a rookie that has been inactive so far this season

[Go Web Go!]

Who will likely be working at McDonald's with the fans he insulted by season's end.

[Immortalfire]

LoL

[SurfDUI]

A whole barrell of Finn/Ginn hate here...

Miami is old school AFC East, they played us like it was still a division game, in the end it should b no surprise the Colts will not always win in stats like they used to, but they will beat you...and make opposition look maddening while doing it.

I kno I spit some #18 hate some times, but he's now the top dog in Colts history. Congrats. Go Blue. 2-0

[StorminNorman]

The Raiders are such a joke. QB with a huge arm that can't hit the broad side of a barn and a big receiver with gamebreaking speed that can't catch and can't run routes. Way to go, Al! LOL.

DHB was a better route runner than either Crabtree or Maclin due to the fact he played out of a Pro style offense.

[redfirebird2008]

DHB was a better route runner than either Crabtree or Maclin due to the fact he played out of a Pro style offense.

So playing in a pro style offense automatically means being a better route runner than someone in a spread offense? I'm not buying that one at all.

[Go Web Go!]

some rookie on the Redskins essentially insulted washington redskins fans by telling them to not come to the field to boo the team and then further went on to say that those who work 9-5 and work at McDonalds have nothing to do with the way the redskins play

Here are the actual quotes:

Following the victory, Henson tweeted: “All you fake half hearted Skins fan can .. I won’t go there but I dislike you very strongly, don’t come to Fed Ex to boo dim wits!!”

He also wrote: “The question is who are you to say you know what’s best for the team and you work 9 to 5 at Mcdonalds.”

:whatever:

[Erzengel]

NEW YORK -- One-time Super Bowl hero Plaxico Burress (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=2139) was sentenced to two years in prison Tuesday for violating New York's stringent gun laws and was immediately taken into custody following his hearing.

Burress agreed to the plea deal last month and pleaded guilty to a lesser firearms charge. The charges stemmed from an incident late last fall, in which Burress accidentally shot himself in the thigh at a Manhattan nightclub.

He is expected to serve about 20 months with credit for good behavior, followed by two years of probation.
Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4493887)

[Raiden]

The Raiders are such a joke. QB with a huge arm that can't hit the broad side of a barn and a big receiver with gamebreaking speed that can't catch and can't run routes. Way to go, Al! LOL.

That's because Al Davis is old and senile, and still lives in the 70's. :doh:

[kane9321]

wtg phins..had the ball the entire game...and you lose..wtf?

[redfirebird2008]

wtg phins..had the ball the entire game...and you lose..wtf?

It was quite an impressive way to go down in flames. :doh:

[redfirebird2008]

That's because Al Davis is old and senile, and still lives in the 70's. :doh:

I can see what the Raiders are thinking, but it doesn't matter how physically gifted someone is if they can't handle the most basic aspects of the game (cough...throwing the ball accurately...cough...catching the ball...cough).

[StorminNorman]

So playing in a pro style offense automatically means being a better route runner than someone in a spread offense? I'm not buying that one at all.

It is a huge gigantic advantage. It's the sort of difference that separates QB's that played in a Pro Offense in college and the QB's that play in a Spread.

[kane9321]

I think everyone knew when the Dolphins had to kick the ball off to the Colts with 3 minutes left and only up 3 points, they were going to lose.

Peyton Manning is arguably the greatest QB of all time, but at this point it's unnecessary to even mention. Though I did love him mentioning being inspired by Eli :lmao:

wrong...greatest is joe montana get it right!!!!!!

[StorminNorman]

wrong...greatest is joe montana get it right!!!!!!

Wrong.

[redfirebird2008]

It is a huge gigantic advantage. It's the sort of difference that separates QB's that played in a Pro Offense in college and the QB's that play in a Spread.

Many of DHB's college routes were screen plays, plus he is known for not being a good route runner despite being in a pro style offense. I think the fact that he was in a pro style offense and still sucks at route running is kind of a tell-tale sign.

[kane9321]

Wrong.

right!!

[StorminNorman]

You Lie!

[redfirebird2008]

You Lie!

Nice. :hehe:

[Dr. Evil]

Ginn would had not been a Dolphin had Nick Saban not passed on Drew Brees.

And we all know how Brees has been doing since he's been in New Orleans. Not signing Brees caused a domino effect on the Dolphins.

[Excel]

Everyone knows Brady is best.

[BlackLantern]

I think that's a bit of a stretch...what if Brees never left San Diego...that's another road

[Darthphere]

Not really.

[Dark Donnie]

I think that's a bit of a stretch...what if Brees never left San Diego...that's another road

Brees had gotten hurt that year plus they had Rivers waiting so a return wasn't 100%. He tore his Labrum so their were probably some question marks.

Sounds like from articles I read that Miami could have had Brees but they dropped the ball.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, that one was on Saban 100%. Then, of course, he bailed to Alabama.

[Immortalfire]

Yeah, that one was on Saban 100%. Then, of course, he bailed to Alabama.

"I am not going to coach Alabama"

[redfirebird2008]

"I am not going to coach Alabama"

I don't know if there's a bigger snake oil salesman in football (pro or college).

[BlackLantern]

he'll be fine at Alabama....he's a much better college coach

[Alex The Great]

Wow, 3 straight Monday nightes that go right to the wire. hot damn!

[Immortalfire]

The other day, someone pointed out that Saban has never had back-to-back ten win seasons.

[Caped Crusader]

Marion Barber to miss 1-2 weeks.

[StorminNorman]

I don't know if there's a bigger snake oil salesman in football (pro or college).
Bobby Petrino

[Go Web Go!]

Bobby Petrino

I think Saban has him beat.

[Raiden]

Despite the loss, I think 'Fins' offense looked really good, and their Wildcat can still be dangerous and unpredictable. Looks like the AFC East will be very hotly contested this year.

[StorminNorman]

I think Saban has him beat.

It's really not close. Petrino went to Louisville in 2003, from 2003 to 2006 talked to LSU, Auburn and the Oakland Raiders about becoming their head coach. Signed a 10 year contract with Louisville in 2006, left in 2007 to coach Atlanta. Quit 13 games into the season (telling his players via note left in their locker) and joined Arkansas.

You can criticize Saban all you want, but he is no Petrino.

[BlackLantern]

Im with Norman....Petrino is scum...he left Atlanta in the lurch hardcore...that's why I was so supportive of them last season because I wanted them to do well in spite of the Vick issues and Petrino abandoning them

[Raiden]

Im with Norman....Petrino is scum...he left Atlanta in the lurch hardcore...that's why I was so supportive of them last season because I wanted them to do well in spite of the Vick issues and Petrino abandoning them

That's true, but I think it is because Atlanta was in such a sorry state that the owner decided to correct his mistakes and start putting the right people in the front office, and that's why they're enjoying the success that they're having now. And without the chance for that high draft pick, they won't have been able to draft Matt Ryan, and it works out in the end for them.

[Immortalfire]

The Falcons are stronger than ever, now :up:

[BlackLantern]

Petrino didn't go there to coach Atlanta, Petrino went there to coach Michael Vick

[SurfDUI]

Damn! Plex got 2 years state time...in NewYork..he's proper Effed now

[Dr. Evil]

Is Petrino still at Arkansas?

[Immortalfire]

For now.

[StorminNorman]

I think Petrino stays in Arkansas for a long time actually. No football team with higher prestige than Arkansas is going to want to hire him knowing his past, and he sure as hell won't get any sniffs from the NFL.

[redfirebird2008]

Bobby Petrino

OK, Petrino probably has Saban beat. But, no offense to Arkansas, Saban is the biggest snake oil salesman at a powerhouse school. Next would be Mack Brown. Third is Bob Stoops.

[Addendum]

Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4493887)

haha

[Bond]

Marion Barber to miss 1-2 weeks.
I've been looking for a source to this... do you have a link or something? I can't find anything.

[StorminNorman]

It was on Rotoworld.

[BlackLantern]

OK, Petrino probably has Saban beat. But, no offense to Arkansas, Saban is the biggest snake oil salesman at a powerhouse school. Next would be Mack Brown. Third is Bob Stoops.

really?? saying that in Texas will end with you hanging from a tree....im not kidding, saying bad things about Mack Brown is a capital offense down there

[redfirebird2008]

really?? saying that in Texas will end with you hanging from a tree....im not kidding, saying bad things about Mack Brown is a capital offense down there

Maybe in Austin. Out here in West Texas, we can be as candid as we want. I hate Mack Brown. He's the ultimate douche bag. Always gives backhanded compliments to my school, Texas Tech.

[BlackLantern]

well it's a rival school....what do you expect?

[redfirebird2008]

well it's a rival school....what do you expect?

I'd prefer if he would just be a straight up a-hole like Bob Stoops. Brown is a politician in every sense of the word.

[NewYorkSpider]

My god ESPN's power rankings look like ****.

[Dark Donnie]

:dry: The Ravens at 1? I'd put The Saints at 1 before them.

[Erzengel]

On the NFL site, the experts rank them at:

Giants
Ravens
Saints
Jets
Falcons

http://fanrankings.nfl.com/

[Ace of Knaves]

Gooooooooooo Falcons!!!!

[Excel]

Patriots are doing to dismantle the Falcons this weekend, it could get ugly. Randy will Moss all over that 2ndary.

[BlackLantern]

Patriots are doing to dismantle the Falcons this weekend, it could get ugly. Randy will Moss all over that 2ndary.

didn't you say that about the Jets??

[Ace of Knaves]

Patriots are doing to dismantle the Falcons this weekend, it could get ugly. Randy will Moss all over that 2ndary.

Maybe so, but last time I checked, you secondary wasn't anything to write home about either. And our offense is nothing to be scoffed at.

I think it will be a shoot out.

[Erzengel]

Wondering if the Lions can pull off the offset on the Skins who are having trouble in the red zone.

[Excel]

didn't you say that about the Jets??

No, in fact in my pickem leagues I picked the Jets to win.

Maybe so, but last time I checked, you secondary wasn't anything to write home about either. And our offense is nothing to be scoffed at.

Well 1st of all, no, your offense is nothing to be scoffed at. Ive never really bought into the Mike Turner hype, but Ryan and Roddy White are nasty, White is one of my fave players in the nfl :up:

2nd, our secondary has played very well. They owned Terrell Owens and Lee Evans with a defensive line getting little pressure. Leigh Bodden has played like an all pro through the 1st 2 weeks.

I think it will be a shoot out.

I would agree, I forsee something like 38-24 or something, with the Pats pulling ahead in the 2nd half.

[Raiden]

I would agree, I forsee something like 38-24 or something, with the Pats pulling ahead in the 2nd half.


Will Wes Walker be playing? If not then Moss will probably get doubled by the Falcons secondary.

[El_Citrus]

I was highly surprised some people are considering the Ravens as the best team in football right now, namely ESPN *Cough*. 1/8th through the season, I think the Jets, Falcons, Saints and Vikings are better than the Ravens.

I expect the Falcons offense to really expose the Pats defense due to having a MUCH more well rounded offense than the Jets that came around in the second half. I expect Atlanta to control the game with the beast known as Michael Turner, followed by toying with that New England secondary for touchdowns. NE DOES have Brady and Moss, so I expect the game to be relatively close. Falcons win by 10.

The game to watch this week could come from San Francisco and Minnesota. Two astounding running games, two 2-0 teams, two above average defenses. I hope they televise this one nationally. I'll take AP and Favre over Gore and Hill by 7.

The Sunday Night game could be either a very entertaining shootout or the exposure of the Colts who have had two very close, losable games this year and have to face a slowly awakening Arizona. I think Arizona wins a close but high scoring game because I believe the Colts have plenty of no-name talent on defense and plenty of offense to show that they, like Arizona, are just off to a slow start, even though they're 2-0.

Also, I love how the Cowboys have a MNF one week after their SNF game. I guess ESPN needs to drool over the "Palace in Dallas" as much as NBC did?

[Kane52630]

its all about the Jets and Giants this year

[Poeman]

my rankings would be

1) Saints
2) Giants
3) Jets
4) Colts
5) Ravens

[Poeman]

its all about the Jets and Giants this year

lets not get carried away...im a huge Jets fan. Do you not remember last year

Giants 10-1 & Jets 8-3

that was supposed to be a new york superbowl year.

Cant even jump to a playoffs conclusion yet. Although both teams are dynamite, injuries could eventually hamper the giants

[Franklin Richards]

So that 2 point win over the Cowboys really convinced you that the Giants are going all the way?



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Kane52630]

lets not get carried away...im a huge Jets fan. Do you not remember last year

Giants 10-1 & Jets 8-3

that was supposed to be a new york superbowl year.

Cant even jump to a playoffs conclusion yet. Although both teams are dynamite, injuries could eventually hamper the giants

well take a look, Sanchez cant be stopped and Rex Ryan is a great coach
and Giants beat the cowboys
yea i know im jumping to conclusions but i cant help myself

[BlackLantern]

So that 2 point win over the Cowboys really convinced you that the Giants are going all the way?



:doom: :doom: :doom:

that's a bit much....I'd say it's a good start...they have a trap game this week, so I will always take it one week at a time

[Franklin Richards]

I remember the Boys sweeping the Giants in the regular season once. Man, that was great... but I knew something was wrong and boy did it suck when the Giants were due.

If the Cowboys had kept running and there hadn't been a Circus in town that week --- Witten leg reflection --- 5 bounces before the touchdown catch --- 2 reflections into the hands of the Giants D --- we would be talking about how the Giants rush defense sucked and about how Jacobs couldn't get any yards.


Giants need to worry about the Red Zone and not their hotel rooms for the Super Bowl.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Go Web Go!]

disturbing: Of ted ginn jr.'s 134 receiving yards in two games (13 catches), only 1 yard has come after the catch, according to statspass.com. -- miami herald

:dry:

[Alex The Great]

Patriots are doing to dismantle the Falcons this weekend, it could get ugly. Randy will Moss all over that 2ndary.
:awesome:

So that 2 point win over the Cowboys really convinced you that the Giants are going all the way?



:doom: :doom: :doom:
I agree, Tony Choko won the game for the Giants.

[BlackLantern]

I remember the Boys sweeping the Giants in the regular season once. Man, that was great... but I knew something was wrong and boy did it suck when the Giants were due.

If the Cowboys had kept running and there hadn't been a Circus in town that week --- Witten leg reflection --- 5 bounces before the touchdown catch --- 2 reflections into the hands of the Giants D --- we would be talking about how the Giants rush defense sucked and about how Jacobs couldn't get any yards.


Giants need to worry about the Red Zone and not their hotel rooms for the Super Bowl.


:thing: :doom: :thing:

even the year the Giants won it all....they had red zone issues....it's been a consistent problem, even back when Dan Reeves coached them

[BlackLantern]

Sean Salisbury is going to take everyone down with him

http://deadspin.com/5365919/sean-salisbury-has-a-few-things-to-get-off-his-chest

[Excel]

Sean Salisbury is going to take everyone down with him

http://deadspin.com/5365919/sean-salisbury-has-a-few-things-to-get-off-his-chest

Im anxious to hear what he has to say about espn....Kenny Mayne and Stuart Scott had an affair?

[BlackLantern]

if it has any truth, I might be interested in what he has to say about the goings on there

[Mister J]

There's a lot of scuttlebutt that the Worldwide Leader can be pretty grimy. Of course, there's not much substantiation behind it. Nobody wants to cross the Mouse. They're going to find Saulisbury's body, bound and gagged near the It's a Small World ride.

[BlackLantern]

There's a lot of scuttlebutt that the Worldwide Leader can be pretty grimy. Of course, there's not much substantiation behind it. Nobody wants to cross the Mouse. They're going to find Saulisbury's body, bound and gagged near the It's a Small World ride.

I have a friend that works nights there, IT support....it's a fairly office like environment by his accounts.....but he's there after most everyone has gone home

hey...if South Park has taught us anything is that Mr. Mouse does NOT like having to fly all the way to Bristol to deal with someones problems

[omid17]

if it has any truth, I might be interested in what he has to say about the goings on thereagreed

[Franklin Richards]

No. 8 on No. 9 in Dallas.



"There are some throws that you shouldn't attempt to make, when you are playing certain teams. We've seen him try and do that from time to time. When you play a team like the Giants, who match up pretty evenly talent wise, you have to be smart about those throws. Interceptions happen more in the playoffs and during bigger games in December. When the games are close, you have to be smart with the football and that has been a problem with Tony. I know the coaching staff is trying to eliminate those mistakes."

Lots of past Cowboys have been raggin' Romo. Dorsett was doing it earlier today too.


:cap: :cap: :cap:

[Ace of Knaves]

Romo has always been a bit of a gun slinger, like Favre. I don't think that will change any time soon.

[NewYorkSpider]

:dry: The Ravens at 1? I'd put The Saints at 1 before them.

The Giants should be #1. They've beat two divison rivals already to start the season.

[Spider-Fan]

The Ravens I don't think should be #1 either. The most impressive team for me this season has been the Giants. They are just solid once again in all the right places.

[Franklin Richards]

The Saints have been far more impressive. The Giants barely won. And Romo won it for them.


:cap: :cap: :cap:

[NewYorkSpider]

The Saints played the Lions and a team who's starting QB didn't play. They're not #1. They are in the top 5 though.

[Excel]

Jets are clearly #1. They've beaten 2 top teams, one in a blowout and the other a pretty solid win.

[bunk]

The Ravens, Giants, and Jets all had to play a tough team and a not so tough team. You could make the case for any of them.

[claydogg]

I'm a lions fan first and a steelers fan 2nd because the lions are out by november.

so do any of you guys like the NY Jets it seems like thier defense is very tuff,, I wish rex ryan went to detriot but the fords sat around while the jets scooped up the better coach.

[Mastodon123]

I'm a lions fan first and a steelers fan 2nd because the lions are out by november.

so do any of you guys like the NY Jets it seems like thier defense is very tuff,, I wish rex ryan went to detriot but the fords sat around while the jets scooped up the better coach.

The Jets already had a tough defense before they hired Rex. I don't think the Lions would be 2-0 right now if they had hired Rex instead of the Schwartz.

Though if we had hired Rex we would probably have gotten Bart Scott, and we would still have Cory Redding instead of trading him for Julian Peterson.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Ravens, Giants, and Jets all had to play a tough team and a not so tough team. You could make the case for any of them.


I wouldn't consider San Diego that tough. They almost lost to Oakland. Plus, Baltimore's defense has given up 50 points in two games to start the season.

[omid17]

The Giants should be #1. They've beat two divison rivals already to start the season.i thought about, Giants gave up 251 yrds on the ground against Dallas. I would have picked the Steelers but Reed missed 2 important fields goals in the 4th ,so i gotta go with the Jets

[omid17]

I wouldn't consider San Diego that tough. They almost lost to Oakland. Plus, Baltimore's defense has given up 50 points in two games to start the season.agreed

[bunk]

I wouldn't consider San Diego that tough. They almost lost to Oakland. Plus, Baltimore's defense has given up 50 points in two games to start the season.

San Diego is still one of the best teams in the AFC. Obviously the best in their division.

Also for the record it's 43 points. Special teams gave up a td.

[SurfDUI]

1 Your Indianapolis COLTS- cause they win, over and over, season after season....c'mon!

.....

2 N.O. Saints, teams that put up those kind of points will suceed, let alone their confrence and division ar junior varsity
3 New York football Giants- they need to play some AFC talent tho
4 Ravens, look good on both sides

[NewYorkSpider]

San Diego is still one of the best teams in the AFC. Obviously the best in their division.

Also for the record it's 43 points. Special teams gave up a td.

No. San Diego is not one of the best teams in the AFC. Denver has impressed me more than San Diego so far this season.

[Dr. Evil]

Sean Salisbury is going to take everyone down with him

http://deadspin.com/5365919/sean-salisbury-has-a-few-things-to-get-off-his-chest

That explains why he wasn't on this week.

[omid17]

No. San Diego is not one of the best teams in the AFC. Denver has impressed me more than San Diego so far this season.
Prater had to make field goals from the 48 and 50, and won the game by pure luck against the Bengals. Browns are garbage, ranked 29th, it's sad but hey they're 2-0. Even tho SD lost, i gotta admit that Rivers still had a great game, 436 yrds against Baltimore

[bunk]

No. San Diego is not one of the best teams in the AFC. Denver has impressed me more than San Diego so far this season.


Oh my...

[Ace of Knaves]

The Saints haven't really gone up against a top defense yet though have they?

[BigSams50]

^ They will against the JETS

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, I think that will be the true indicator of how the Saints are gonna do.

Thrashing the Lions and a under performing Eagles doesn't really mean much at this point.

But if they roll on the Jets then they are definitely bonafide contenders.

[StorminNorman]

The Ravens, Giants, and Jets all had to play a tough team and a not so tough team. You could make the case for any of them.

Unless you are counting the Patriots as a not-so-tough team (and you could make that argument given there underwhelming offense and stripped down defense), the Jets have had two tough opponents.

I'm a lions fan first and a steelers fan 2nd because the lions are out by november.

so do any of you guys like the NY Jets it seems like thier defense is very tuff,, I wish rex ryan went to detriot but the fords sat around while the jets scooped up the better coach.

Jim Schwartz is a much, much better coach for Detroit than Rex Ryan.

[BlackLantern]

Im taking the Lions this week

[FaT_tONle]

Well took me a while to get over that Cowboy loss. Guess I am ready to move on. On the topic of power rankings... it's funny how every just discounts the Pats, Chargers, and Steelers after a loss. Even the Titans, I still wouldn't rule them out even at 0-3. The only undefeated team that is legit right now is the Giants. Saints putting up 50 against mediocre defenses is hardly a suprise. Until the Ravens prove they can beat the Steelers consistently they are a wild card team at best. Ravens defense is also not the same. They gave up 24 to the Chiefs week 1, and they almost let SD drive down the field for a win. THey are not a top five defense anymore. And the Jets??? Please. Guess no one learned from 8-3. Unless they beat the Titans and Saints in the next couple of weeks pencil them in at 9-7.

[Raiden]

Well took me a while to get over that Cowboy loss. Guess I am ready to move on. On the topic of power rankings... it's funny how every just discounts the Pats, Chargers, and Steelers after a loss. Even the Titans, I still wouldn't rule them out even at 0-3. The only undefeated team that is legit right now is the Giants. Saints putting up 50 against mediocre defenses is hardly a suprise. Until the Ravens prove they can beat the Steelers consistently they are a wild card team at best. Ravens defense is also not the same. They gave up 24 to the Chiefs week 1, and they almost let SD drive down the field for a win. THey are not a top five defense anymore. And the Jets??? Please. Guess no one learned from 8-3. Unless they beat the Titans and Saints in the next couple of weeks pencil them in at 9-7.

Not saying that Jets are legit only after two games, but this isn't the exact same team as the one from last season. Jets now have a different HC (Rex Ryan), and a new QB (Sanchez), not to mention that their defense now plays more aggressively than it was during the Mangini era. Jets have a tough early schedule and it continues with Titans and Saints, and it remains to be seen if they have what it takes to beat these two powerhouse teams. But I do get a good vibe out of this new-look Jets team.

[Dark Donnie]

According to Profootballtalk.com, the Giants are "planning for the possibility" that SS Kenny Phillips could miss the entire season.

It would be a big blow to the Giants' secondary. Phillips could choose to have surgery on the knee to repair a cartilage problem, ending his season. Phillips didn't practice last Friday but did play Sunday night against the Cowboys. He has 13 tackles and two interceptions already this season.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com


I didn't know he was hurt..

[Dr. Evil]

I have a question:

What the hell's happened to Marc Bulger? It wasn't that long ago when he threw for over 4,000 yards and earned himself a Pro Bowl appearance. I know he was injured in 2007, but he was healthy for the most part last season (he got benched for a game) and sucked last year. He had 103 TD's and 57 Interceptions from 2002-2006 and since he was awarded that big contract, he's had 22 TD's and 28 Interceptions (not counting this season).

[Ace of Knaves]

I think you answered your question yourself. He got the big contract, let the hype get to him, lost focus.

You could also say his O Line hasn't helped him and Holt ain't the receiver he once was. Plus Bruce left.

[StorminNorman]

I have a question:

What the hell's happened to Marc Bulger? It wasn't that long ago when he threw for over 4,000 yards and earned himself a Pro Bowl appearance. I know he was injured in 2007, but he was healthy for the most part last season (he got benched for a game) and sucked last year. He had 103 TD's and 57 Interceptions from 2002-2006 and since he was awarded that big contract, he's had 22 TD's and 28 Interceptions (not counting this season).

Mike Martz isn't his coach.

[BlackLantern]

Mike Martz isn't his coach.

and Jim Haslett is underwhelming as an NFL head coach

[StorminNorman]

and Jim Haslett is underwhelming as an NFL head coach

I disagree about that. Jim Haslett went to the playoffs with Aaron Brooks as his QB. Let that sink in.

[BlackLantern]

I disagree about that. Jim Haslett went to the playoffs with Aaron Brooks as his QB. Let that sink in.

true....inconcsistent then??...I think he can be a good head coach...maybe the UFL will show that

whatever happened to Aaron Brooks?

[StorminNorman]

true....inconcsistent then??...I think he can be a good head coach...maybe the UFL will show that

whatever happened to Aaron Brooks?

Apparently he is so bad that ESPN hired Shaun King over him.

[Dr. Evil]

I've heard Brooks wants to play again.

[BlackLantern]

Ive read he got into developing land and refurbishing communities...maybe he's still got the itch

[Dr. Evil]

Peter Warrick was released from UFL, which is also where Mike McMahon ended up.

[Dark Donnie]

I have a question:

What the hell's happened to Marc Bulger? It wasn't that long ago when he threw for over 4,000 yards and earned himself a Pro Bowl appearance. I know he was injured in 2007, but he was healthy for the most part last season (he got benched for a game) and sucked last year. He had 103 TD's and 57 Interceptions from 2002-2006 and since he was awarded that big contract, he's had 22 TD's and 28 Interceptions (not counting this season).

Look no further then the surrounding cast. 2007 he had guys that could make plays around him....now he's relegated to Steven Jackson. Their O Line is also a lot worse.

[Erzengel]

Not saying that Jets are legit only after two games, but this isn't the exact same team as the one from last season. Jets now have a different HC (Rex Ryan), and a new QB (Sanchez), not to mention that their defense now plays more aggressively than it was during the Mangini era. Jets have a tough early schedule and it continues with Titans and Saints, and it remains to be seen if they have what it takes to beat these two powerhouse teams. But I do get a good vibe out of this new-look Jets team.
Even before the start of the season, a lot of analysts were saying if the Jets can win 2 out of the first four of their games, they'd be in decent shape. I think so far they have been surpassing expectations. That win against New England was a must but I have a feeling they will be playing a different team later this year.

[Addendum]

I disagree about that. Jim Haslett went to the playoffs with Aaron Brooks as his QB. Let that sink in.
What's there to sink in? He went to the playoffs in his first year as head coach, was 1-1, and never returned.

Definitely underwhelming.

[BlackLantern]

my random picks and thoughts for this week

-I'm taking Detroit to beat the Redskins, I have an itch that they are going to get that first win

-After much debate, I am taking Atlanta over the Pats.....Atlanta has everything clicking and New England doesn't....yet

-Flozell Adams....I don't like you

-The Giants are going into a trap game with TB, but they should be able to run all over TBs defense

[StorminNorman]

What's there to sink in? He went to the playoffs in his first year as head coach, was 1-1, and never returned.

Definitely underwhelming.

Considering he took a terrible team and transitioned quickly without any real change in roster - I disagree.

Haslett was a good coach.

[Addendum]

Considering he took a terrible team and transitioned quickly without any real change in roster - I disagree.

Haslett was a good coach.
Good coaches can repeat their success in subsequent years. He did not.

[StorminNorman]

But if he was so good, couldn't he have repeated his success in the following years?

Good coaches fail all the time.

[Addendum]

And they usually have a total coaching record above .500

[StorminNorman]

Well played.

[KALEL114]

The Detroit Lions (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=det) failed to sell all their tickets for Sunday's game against the Washington Redskins (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=was), meaning there will be a TV blackout in some local markets.Team spokesman Bill Keenist said Thursday the game will be blacked out in the Detroit, Lansing, Saginaw-Flint and Toledo, Ohio, markets.
More than 10,000-plus tickets were available on Wednesday.
Last week, the Lions were able to sell 1,700 tickets for the home game against Minnesota. No such luck this time.
The Lions have lost 19 games in a row, matching the second-longest skid in NFL history.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4500240

I hope they blow out the Redskins. Probably won't happen though. :(

[StorminNorman]

Blackout rules, like toilet paper, are so archaic.

[BlackLantern]

Blackout rules, like toilet paper, are so archaic.

you use a comfort wipe don't you?

[Immortalfire]

Norman's probably a big guy in real life. And as we know, being a big guy has it's advantages...and disadvantages.

[StorminNorman]

I have a confession. In real life, I am Johnny Jolly. :(

[Immortalfire]

:eek:

[BlackLantern]

the only blackout issues I had to deal with was when the Hartford Whalers were around and playing a home game, they would black out the Ranger game that night

[Franklin Richards]

As well they should.


Bring back the Whale!!!


The Wolfpack just isn't a good substitute.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[BlackLantern]

As well they should.


Bring back the Whale!!!


The Wolfpack just isn't a good substitute.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

**** the Whale....and I like the Wolfpack, you can always get pretty decent seats and they are always giving free **** away

[Franklin Richards]

I like the Wolfpack too. :D


I would buy 10 dollar cheap seats and sit behind the goalies after the first intermission.


Plus... they have a Cocktail Vendor! Go Hartford Civic Center!


:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Dude101]

The Saints haven't really gone up against a top defense yet though have they?The Eagles defense was and we destroyed them.

[Ace of Knaves]

Eagles defense isn't any good this year.

You can't really judge until you play the likes of the Jet's. If the Saints destroy the Jet's? Well, I don't even need to say what that means.

[E-Man]

I think the Saints defense will end up hurting them in the long run. Gregg Williams is a damn good defensive coordinator, but they still have holes he'll need fixed. Their corners are going to cost them big time I bet.

[CConn]

The Saints will do great in the regular season, but like every high-power offense/shaky defense team in the past, come the playoffs, they'll hit the wall pretty hard. As boring as it was, defense is what wins championships.

It's really too soon to tell how the Eagles D is. Drew Brees could do damage to any team...the dude's damn good.

[StorminNorman]

Defense doesn't win championships - great teams do. You can have a decent defense, and a killer offense and win big.

Arizona beat the best defense in the world last year...until the Steelers offense won the game.

[FaT_tONle]

If the Saints don't secure homefield then I don't see them going into the North and winning outdoors. They need homefield. I still think that dome teams that run well (Atl, Minn) match up well against them also.

[Dude101]

I think the Saints are top ten in the league and top five in the nfc now I think this team will shock alot of people this year.

[FaT_tONle]

The team that most people talk about as contenders in the NFC in week 2 are rarely ever there at the end. Someone is going to get hot in January and get to at least the Championship game. Bears/NFC west winner are two potential teams that come to mind. Anyone from the NFC East can make a run as well. Giants as a one seed is meaningless in the first round if they are looking at the Cowboys or Eagles.

[BlackLantern]

look at the year Baltimore won the Super Bowl, they were very under the radar until winter...hell look at 2007 with the Giants...an 0-2 start with bad losses to both GB and Philly

[Caped Crusader]

Surprised it wasnt mentioned on here that Kenny Phillips is headed for the IR :(
But the Giants picked up Aaron Rouse a safety from Green Bay who has good upside.

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[Dark Donnie]

Surprised it wasnt mentioned on here that Kenny Phillips is headed for the IR :(
But the Giants picked up Aaron Rouse a safety from Green Bay who has good upside.

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Source: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com


I didn't know he was hurt..

:up: page back

[That-Guy]

Defense doesn't win championships - great teams do. You can have a decent defense, and a killer offense and win big.

Arizona beat the best defense in the world last year...until the Steelers offense won the game.

:up: Couldn't have said it better myself.

[omid17]

QB Dissed by Legend (Tony Dorsett)

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tony-Dorsett-rips-into-Tony-Romo-for-some-reason?urn=nfl,191853"I don't know why on God's earth Tony Romo has been anointed a superstar in the National Football League. Tony is very young in his career. Not to say you can't be young in your career and be a superstar because you've got one up there in Minnesota in Adrian Peterson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players?type=lastname&first=1&query=Adrian+Peterson&q=Adrian+Peterson).
"But the thing is this: You have a guy who hasn't done much, and quarterbacks in the NFL, most of them go through this growing curve. He hasn't gone through that growing curve, but he was anointed this great player all of a sudden. Now he's having to live up to that. And obviously Tony has some deficiencies.
"He's a good player who's still learning how to play in the NFL, and I think the media has given him too much credit for doing nothing. He hasn't done anything really in the NFL to deserve all the recognition and visibility he's gotten so far."

[bunk]

It's funny because it's true.

[FaT_tONle]

He's also the guy that is going to take the most heat when the team loses. He only gets that attention because he's with the Cowboys. No one would give a **** about him if he were playing in Jacksonville or St Louis or some small market like that.

[Erzengel]

There use to be what a 5 year growing curb, it's only recently people want their franchise quarterback to win almost immediately.

[Excel]

Yup. Romo will get it together at some point. He has 14 good games with a few great games mixed in every year...but then 2 HIDEOUS games. Like last weeks.

[Dark Donnie]

look at the year Baltimore won the Super Bowl, they were very under the radar until winter...hell look at 2007 with the Giants...an 0-2 start with bad losses to both GB and Philly

*Dallas

[FaT_tONle]

How many games did P. Manning start his rookie season? Let's just say 16 for the hell of it, another 16 in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002... do the multiplication. Maybe he missed a start here and there early but other than that, that's five years and an 0-4 playoff record. It's a process. That said, I'll be suprised if Dallas does not get a playoff win this year. Not that I will care that much if they lose in the next round. I just think the roles have reversed. Eli is sort of the new Brady while Romo is the new Manning when everyone expected it to be the other way around early on.

[BlackLantern]

actually Peyton Manning has 178 consecutive starts....I don't believe he has missed a start since 1998

[Erzengel]

Well Dorsett has a point, just cause it's the Cowboys he's held to a higher standard especially with his ability to play well at times. Last year the analysts and sports casters were saying 2008 Cowboys = 2007 Patriots. I mean that's some lofty expectations.

But in regards to Peyton early in his career and Romo, Manning was putting up some record numbers. If Romo was doing something along that nature, maybe he would be given more of a pass.

[Ace of Knaves]

Manning was putting up record numbers...for INTs if I remember right

[FaT_tONle]

But in regards to Peyton early in his career and Romo, Manning was putting up some record numbers. If Romo was doing something along that nature, maybe he would be given more of a pass.

Not really. Manning was butchered by the national media for "not winning the big game". He never got a pass in that regard. Romo hasn't been as prolific but he has put up good numbers for the most part. He was out for four games last year so his numbers could have been better.

[Erzengel]

Manning was putting up record numbers...for INTs if I remember right
Wasn't that just his rookie season? :huh:

[Erzengel]

Not really. Manning was butchered by the national media for "not winning the big game". He never got a pass in that regard. Romo hasn't been as prolific but he has put up good numbers for the most part. He was out for four games last year so his numbers could have been better.
Maybe it's also that Manning is more commercial friendly.

[Ace of Knaves]

Wasn't that just his rookie season? :huh:

Yea you're right actually :doh:

[FaT_tONle]

Maybe it's also that Manning is more commercial friendly.

Romo hasn't been terrible himself in that department.

[Erzengel]

I've seen him in one ESPN commercial. I'm not a Colts fan but Peyton just comes off as so likable in the stuff he advertises. I always wondered why Brady never went the route as Manning but I think I read in a few places how uncharismatic he was.

[BlackLantern]

Maybe it's also that Manning is more commercial friendly.

could be...I like the new ones he has with JT...the paparazzi and the ping pong ones

[Raiden]

could be...I like the new ones he has with JT...the paparazzi and the ping pong ones

I can see Manning doing commercials long after he retires from NFL.

[StorminNorman]

I can see Manning doing commercials long after he retires from NFL.

Manning will either coach or do analysis when he retired - and he would be great at either.

[Dark Donnie]

I can see Manning doing commercials long after he retires from NFL.

I can see that as well.

[Poeman]

I can see that as well.

I see peyton being on the panel for CBS sunday show when hes old and done

[StorminNorman]

Peyton Manning would be a competent Phil Simms.

[Mister J]

Peyton has great charisma and would be a solid addition to the booth when he's done. I thought Brady would have similar appeal ...then I caught him on SNL. As it turns out, not so much.

[Excel]

I've seen him in one ESPN commercial. I'm not a Colts fan but Peyton just comes off as so likable in the stuff he advertises. I always wondered why Brady never went the route as Manning but I think I read in a few places how uncharismatic he was.

Bradys plenty charismatic, he just doesnt like comercials. These are pretty much the only 2 hes ever done.

fY4UwcokerE

Thats ones pretty good.

And the sirius radio one with Madden, where Brady calls Sirius Radio his new favorite reciever, and Madden reports the next day "Tom Bradys got a new favoreite reciever" and we see Troy Dave and Deion like "I thought I was his favorite receiver".

That said, Brady cant do commercials like Peyton because hes too much of a good natured stud. Bradys one of the most uncoordinated athletes ever, but he has the face of a polo model and the steroeypical boy next store attitude. He comes across, though very nice, humble, and friendly, very naive and aloof, kind of like a Kennedy. Thats why the only commercials of his that work are the ones like the one above. Peytons got enough self awareness to know that he can be a ***** and is enough of a goof to do commercials like "Peytons pep talks" or the cell phone ones with mustaches because he sells it; he is a goof so him doing goofy things is funny. Brady doing commercials like that would just awkward because he isnt a really goofy guy.

Bradys a JFK while Peytons a Bill Clinton.

[Kane52630]

Weather.com predictions (http://www.weather.com/activities/events/nfl/nflpreview2009.html)

[Erzengel]

Bradys plenty charismatic, he just doesnt like comercials. These are pretty much the only 2 hes ever done.

fY4UwcokerE

Thats ones pretty good.

And the sirius radio one with Madden, where Brady calls Sirius Radio his new favorite reciever, and Madden reports the next day "Tom Bradys got a new favoreite reciever" and we see Troy Dave and Deion like "I thought I was his favorite receiver".

That said, Brady cant do commercials like Peyton because hes too much of a good natured stud. Bradys one of the most uncoordinated athletes ever, but he has the face of a polo model and the steroeypical boy next store attitude. He comes across, though very nice, humble, and friendly, very naive and aloof, kind of like a Kennedy. Thats why the only commercials of his that work are the ones like the one above. Peytons got enough self awareness to know that he can be a ***** and is enough of a goof to do commercials like "Peytons pep talks" or the cell phone ones with mustaches because he sells it; he is a goof so him doing goofy things is funny. Brady doing commercials like that would just awkward because he isnt a really goofy guy.

I have to call ********, there's so much money for an athlete to make in commercial and,saying a person "doesn't like commercials" doesn't ring true. I'd sell a brand of tampons or erectile dysfunctional medication for the right amount of money.

[BlackLantern]

the Patriots pay him a mint and he gets to bang Gisele....im sure he's fine

[Excel]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1982198

Brady does endorsements for private jets, smart water, and cologne. He doesnt do ads for stuff like hd tvs or cell phones. Hes bigger than that.

[Raiden]

the Patriots pay him a mint and he gets to bang Gisele....im sure he's fine

Between his paycheck and his wife's, he's an extremely wealthy man. I'm sure he doesn't really care about doing that many commercials.

[Kane52630]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1982198

Brady does endorsements for private jets, smart water, and cologne. He doesnt do ads for stuff like hd tvs or cell phones. Hes bigger than that.

yea with Eli Unstoppable Watch commercials we beat brady's winning streak :woot:

[Cunning Stunts]

For those that don't live in the D.C. area (but like the Redskins), you won't believe what hysteria the Redskins and the media covering them are in right now. Between the 'Skins barely beating the Rams, multiple players acting like jackasses in the media (especially Robert Henson), talk that Detroit is looking at Washington like, "This is our best chance to break the streak", and Zorn being a big ball of suck... I'm loving the chaos. I personally hope and think the Lions will beat the Redskins, and as much as I hate the team, I'm curious to see who the new coach will be for week 4.

[StorminNorman]

I like Zorn, but it does look like he wasn't ready to be a HC.

[Erzengel]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1982198

Brady does endorsements for private jets, smart water, and cologne. He doesnt do ads for stuff like hd tvs or cell phones. Hes bigger than that.

Or maybe he can't act or and he doesn't come off as marketable.

[BlackLantern]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs04/news/story?id=1982198

Brady does endorsements for private jets, smart water, and cologne. He doesnt do ads for stuff like hd tvs or cell phones. Hes bigger than that.

well most of Bradys ads are print ads in magazines...looking all rugged with a hat and stuff...he doesn't do many tv ads

[Erzengel]

Yeah and saying he's bigger than "that"? What peddling smart water and cologne is acceptable and tvs and cell phones are not? Advertising is advertising. :huh:

[Cunning Stunts]

I like Zorn, but it does look like he wasn't ready to be a HC.

After threatening to hypothetically bench Sonny Jurgensen, it really doesn't look like Zorn was ready for any kind of national spotlight.

[Raiden]

I like Zorn, but it does look like he wasn't ready to be a HC.

I don't think Zorn paid his dues before becoming HC of the 'Skins. Wasn't he a QB coach before then?

[Erzengel]

How many years have the Skin's been like, this is the year? 10?

[Dark Donnie]

I like Zorn, but it does look like he wasn't ready to be a HC.
Yah think?

I don't think Zorn paid his dues before becoming HC of the 'Skins. Wasn't he a QB coach before then?
He was the Seahawks QB Coach.....he was hired by The Skins to be the OC, and later became the HC after Spagnuolo decided to stay with The Giants.

[Cunning Stunts]

How many years have the Skin's been like, this is the year? 10?

Yeah, all four years that I've lived in this area, I've constantly heard, "We're the best team in the NFL," "We should be blowing out all the other teams," "We've got amazing talent that other teams can't match."

I beg to ****ing differ, buddies. The fans here massively overrate the Redskins.

[Erzengel]

2007 they made the Playoffs as a wildcard. Last year, they just crumbled at the end. This year with their remaining schedule if they finish 7 - 9, they are lucky.

[Cunning Stunts]

2007 they made the Playoffs as a wildcard. Last year, they just crumbled at the end. This year with their remaining schedule if they finish 7 - 9, they are lucky.

Yeah, that's the consensus here. Everyone was saying at the lowest 7-9, and at the highest 9-7, with a few zealots claiming 10-6. Nobody goes higher than 7-9 after the Rams game... I'd give 'em 5-11.

[BlackLantern]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4503739

Rex Ryan has class.....Im not a Jets fan, but I appreciate this

[That-Guy]

Yeah, all four years that I've lived in this area, I've constantly heard, "We're the best team in the NFL," "We should be blowing out all the other teams," "We've got amazing talent that other teams can't match."

I beg to ****ing differ, buddies. The fans here massively overrate the Redskins.

It's true, dude. I've lived down here for about 2 years now and it just makes me scratch my head. All through the season last year, this one guy I work with spent about half the day on his cell phone talking with his buddies about the upcoming Skins game as if they were a shoe-in for the playoffs.

I guess you get that in any city though. I worked in Baltimore during the 2007 season (when the Ravens were a suckfest and Billick ended up getting fired) and their fans still acted like they were the sh**. I'm all for supporting your team - even in the rough years - but sometimes you have to face reality and admit when they're not very good.

[Immortalfire]

Indeed. Part of being a fan is admitting when your team is bad.

But you still support em :up:

[Erzengel]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4503739

Rex Ryan has class.....Im not a Jets fan, but I appreciate this
Nice. We went to a Jets game last year. He was a stone's throw away and was really pumping up the crowd.

[That-Guy]

Indeed. Part of being a fan is admitting when your team is bad.

But you still support em :up:

Oh, absolutely. The Steelers could go 0-16 and I'd still root for them. (Though I hope that never happens, my God). But regardless, I'd be the first to admit that they had a lot to work on.

Hell, they're the reigning Super Bowl champions and I have a list of things that the need to do better.

[Erzengel]

I dunno, if the Nets go to Brooklyn, I may have to start cheering for them over the Knicks. LOL

[BlackLantern]

Oh, absolutely. The Steelers could go 0-16 and I'd still root for them. (Though I hope that never happens, my God). But regardless, I'd be the first to admit that they had a lot to work on.

Hell, they're the reigning Super Bowl champions and I have a list of things that the need to do better.

being a fan means never really being totally happy with what's going on:hehe:

[Raiden]

Indeed. Part of being a fan is admitting when your team is bad.

But you still support em :up:

Indeed, but nowadays too many fans prefer to drink the Kool-Aid instead of seeing just how bad their team really is.

[Immortalfire]

I love a cold glass of Kool Aid :up:

Oh YEAHHHH!!!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/kool-aid-man.png

[omid17]

NFL Fines Sheldon Brown $10K for Wearing Jason Mask

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2009/09/25/nfl-fines-sheldon-brown-10k-for-wearing-jason-mask/

[Fresh Prince]

Lol finally he gets fined.

[CConn]

"This article is saying what WE knew from day one. Oh btw, we Giant fans wish we could play the Skins a few more times a yr. (and so do most of the other teams in the NFL)...Looks like ANOTHER LAST PLACE finish for the Skins..It's great to see the Cowboys and the Redskins BOTH have QB's that suck...Hype does NOT win championships. leadership and talent DO. Did ya happen to see Eli's last drive against the Cowboys?? NOW that's what LEADERSHIP & TALENT CAN DO... Hail to the Redskins & How bout them Cowboys..."

I really don't think people should be allowed to voice their opinion.

Anywhere.

[SurfDUI]

Both those QB's don't suck, they just be average. And for the NFC that's pretty good, unless your in the NFC East which is the tightest division. The weapons around both them make them look better than they are.

[CConn]

Everyone's being stupid with Romo. First they praised him foolishly. Now they're bashing him foolishly. Truth is, he's a good quarterback, without question. He can lead and team, put up good stats and win in the regular season. Is he clutch? Does he win the big games? It certainly doesn't seem like it. But then neither does Donovan McNabb, Matt Ryan hasn't done it either (yet, at least), so why Romo should get round into the mud while those quarterbacks are praised is beyond me.

For all the bashing Jerry Jones gets for being a media whore, the media certainly does a good job in their own right to turn the Cowboys into a circus year in and year now...no matter how obnoxious and infantile the reason may be.

[BlackLantern]

well being the starting QB for the Dallas Cowboys is certainly in the top 5 of highest pressure jobs in sports...I think Romo is good, but is having issues under the magnifying glass that is his team

[enterthemadness]

NFL Fines Sheldon Brown $10K for Wearing Jason Mask

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2009/09/25/nfl-fines-sheldon-brown-10k-for-wearing-jason-mask/


:dry: the No Fun League strikes again.

[Addendum]

I can't wear a goalie mask at my workplace, so meh.

[Immortalfire]

NFL Fines Sheldon Brown $10K for Wearing Jason Mask

http://backporch.fanhouse.com/2009/09/25/nfl-fines-sheldon-brown-10k-for-wearing-jason-mask/


I wish these people would be dumbasses on their own time.

[omid17]

Saints were so terrified that they ended up only scoring 48 :hehe:

[BlackLantern]

I do remember Browns hit on Reggie Bush during the playoffs a couple years back

[CConn]

Some of that stuff is stupid, and some very, very valid. Honoring a former team mate isn't being a dumbass, being jovial when you score a touchdown (a shocking occurrence, I know) isn't being a dumbass. However bringing props onto the field and disrespecting other players and teams is.

[FaT_tONle]

Cowboys are sort of the Yankees of the NFL. No team is close in terms of generating revenue and marketing ability. Pretty much the envy of the league in that regard. That's probably where the hate for Jerry stems from. If there is anyone to blame, blame Steinbrenner. He was that first archetype owner that strived to acheive that celebrity status and imprint an indelible image on the country's most popular team. The bottom line is not only winning but dollars and obviously the two go hand in hand at least the one way, but not so much the other way recently with both clubs. Those kinds of owners have been flops of late when you look at the Jerry's, Cuban's, Sneider's of the world, but the bottom line is winning and Jerry/George have certainly done that. Maybe it's a thing of the past, but I definitely think those types of owners will be successful once again if the revenue sharing is ever lifted.

[enterthemadness]

Some of that stuff is stupid, and some very, very valid. Honoring a former team mate isn't being a dumbass, being jovial when you score a touchdown (a shocking occurrence, I know) isn't being a dumbass. However bringing props onto the field and disrespecting other players and teams is.

There's nothing wrong with bringing out the robot or moonwalk after scoring a TD.

[CConn]

It's not so much that I blame Jerry, or any of those owners. I blame all the hypocritical journalists and media personalities who make these dudes more famous while lamenting about their level of fame.

[CConn]

There's nothing wrong with bringing out the robot or moonwalk after scoring a TD.
Or even *gasp* a dreaded snow angel!

[BlackLantern]

There's nothing wrong with bringing out the robot or moonwalk after scoring a TD.

but there is a line

[E-Man]

Everyone's being stupid with Romo. First they praised him foolishly. Now they're bashing him foolishly. Truth is, he's a good quarterback, without question. He can lead and team, put up good stats and win in the regular season. Is he clutch? Does he win the big games? It certainly doesn't seem like it. But then neither does Donovan McNabb, Matt Ryan hasn't done it either (yet, at least), so why Romo should get round into the mud while those quarterbacks are praised is beyond me.

For all the bashing Jerry Jones gets for being a media whore, the media certainly does a good job in their own right to turn the Cowboys into a circus year in and year now...no matter how obnoxious and infantile the reason may be.

It's just media trends. They knee jerk to everything. All these people acting like he's a garbage were the same ones acting like he's the messiah after the Tampa Bay game.

[CConn]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Addendum]

There's nothing wrong with bringing out the robot or moonwalk after scoring a TD.

Hey, we saw you score a touchdown in the previous quarter. Big whoop.

[FaT_tONle]

It's not so much that I blame Jerry, or any of those owners. I blame all the hypocritical journalists and media personalities who make these dudes more famous while lamenting about their level of fame.

The media just needs to leech on the most compelling story of the time. Romo and the Cowboys were clearly the story in the league the back half of 2006 so Romo's placement on the pedestal was well warranted up until the collapse shortly thereafter. Of course the media just overdid it in 2007 with Farve and Romo and the Pats because no other stories developed through the course of the year. Now the Pats warranted the coverage, but it was overdone with the other two because there was nothing else to talk about. Guys like Matty Ice and Kurt Warner (another guy that gets no attention) are nice stories but they are not compelling enough. Not yet at least. The story in 2008 was again, the Cowboy meltdowns. McNabb was also compelling as well with the benching, but I agree the guy gets lamented over 90% of the time while getting the praise maybe 10% of the time if he's lucky.

This year I guess it will be the Pats and the Eagles that are the most interesting. Like always, the media is going to overblow this Vick thing and I think the drama is just going to kill the Eagles this year and McNabb will be the one who has to suffer... again. Pats will get their fair share of scrutiny but the media is already in bed with Belicheck/Brady, but I guarantee the Eagles will be front and center in the national media this year.

[Addendum]

If the games were won by yakking on ESPN...

[omid17]

Pretty much the whole New England team :(

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-patriotsinjuries&prov=ap&type=lgns
Welker had limited participation in Thursday’s practice and was present for the start of practice Friday for stretching and kickoff return drills. He didn’t take part in team drills.
Moss also was present for the start of practice Friday, but didn’t participate in team drills due to a back injury. He was added to the Patriots’ injury report Friday.
Rookie Julian Edelman (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9496/;_ylt=AlRzDz2seaQGRv97C6YnYvEdsLYF), a former quarterback at Kent State, filled in for Welker and caught eight balls for 98 yards against the Jets, but he is also listed as questionable with an ankle injury.
Also questionable for Sunday’s game are tight end Chris Baker (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players;_ylt=AmjUckEpillkMe0VDpra2dgdsLYF?type=las tname&first=1&query=Chris+Baker&q=Chris+Baker), cornerback Darius Butler (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9305/;_ylt=At.Hflod1GgeODz0NySFBc4dsLYF), center Dan Connolly (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/7482/;_ylt=AlDEgmcWQ_KusYu.WqcMXRYdsLYF), safety Brandon Meriweather (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8278/;_ylt=Aq6Z0ubKzxhoUcSSivFxX6IdsLYF), defensive lineman Myron Pryor (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/9471/;_ylt=AvjiJYeHcP5GzDPZjpz_gVIdsLYF), wide receiver Matthew Slater (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8930/;_ylt=Ah_hE3osQN.g9pClpkj6nFAdsLYF), defensive back Shawn Springs (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3952/;_ylt=Al0bd.Ikl8kTnpKnnfJVUnUdsLYF) and cornerback Terrence Wheatley (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8839/;_ylt=AuApU3uqnLnVIjU8asbQkFIdsLYF). All saw limited participation in practice Friday.

[BlackLantern]

that's why Im taking Atlanta this week, along with Detroit over Washington

[Ace of Knaves]

Everyone's being stupid with Romo. First they praised him foolishly. Now they're bashing him foolishly. Truth is, he's a good quarterback, without question. He can lead and team, put up good stats and win in the regular season. Is he clutch? Does he win the big games? It certainly doesn't seem like it. But then neither does Donovan McNabb, Matt Ryan hasn't done it either (yet, at least), so why Romo should get round into the mud while those quarterbacks are praised is beyond me.

For all the bashing Jerry Jones gets for being a media whore, the media certainly does a good job in their own right to turn the Cowboys into a circus year in and year now...no matter how obnoxious and infantile the reason may be.

Matt Ryan has only played 1 play off game, against the eventual finalists.

And Ryan has the ability to pull out big plays in the clutch.

I remember that game against the Bears last season. Think we was drawing or one point behind with like, 10 seconds to go. Snaps the ball, flings it to Jenkins in perfect position for him to get out of bounds. We then score the winning field goal.

[Dark Donnie]

The media just needs to leech on the most compelling story of the time. Romo and the Cowboys were clearly the story in the league the back half of 2006 so Romo's placement on the pedestal was well warranted up until the collapse shortly thereafter. Of course the media just overdid it in 2007 with Farve and Romo and the Pats because no other stories developed through the course of the year. Now the Pats warranted the coverage, but it was overdone with the other two because there was nothing else to talk about. Guys like Matty Ice and Kurt Warner (another guy that gets no attention) are nice stories but they are not compelling enough. Not yet at least. The story in 2008 was again, the Cowboy meltdowns. McNabb was also compelling as well with the benching, but I agree the guy gets lamented over 90% of the time while getting the praise maybe 10% of the time if he's lucky.

This year I guess it will be the Pats and the Eagles that are the most interesting. Like always, the media is going to overblow this Vick thing and I think the drama is just going to kill the Eagles this year and McNabb will be the one who has to suffer... again. Pats will get their fair share of scrutiny but the media is already in bed with Belicheck/Brady, but I guarantee the Eagles will be front and center in the national media this year.
Yeah it's a bit ridiculous. He made a comment about how he thought he would be a starting QB when he returned (when he signed with a team not necessarily The Eagles) and that turned into a QB controversy now between him and McNabb:dry:.

[BlackLantern]

well Im guessing him signing with the Eagles was due to a lack of interest from any other teams...he should have gone to the UFL, he would have started there

[Dark Donnie]

well Im guessing him signing with the Eagles was due to a lack of interest from any other teams...he should have gone to the UFL, he would have started there

Exactly...their wasn't much interest which I think was what he was trying to say. He was surprised he was relegated to a gimmick player for the time being. I don't think he wsa saying I should be the QB of The Eagles which is what the article seem to try and suggest.

Everyone's being stupid with Romo. First they praised him foolishly. Now they're bashing him foolishly. Truth is, he's a good quarterback, without question. He can lead and team, put up good stats and win in the regular season. Is he clutch? Does he win the big games? It certainly doesn't seem like it. But then neither does Donovan McNabb, Matt Ryan hasn't done it either (yet, at least), so why Romo should get round into the mud while those quarterbacks are praised is beyond me.

For all the bashing Jerry Jones gets for being a media whore, the media certainly does a good job in their own right to turn the Cowboys into a circus year in and year now...no matter how obnoxious and infantile the reason may be.
Mcnabb has at least gotten them to The Superbowl.

With Romo, he's a good QB but he comes up short in the worst times, mainly December where his QB rating is in like the 50's....not to mention that botched hold in the playoffs. He definitely doesn't deserve all the constant bashing he gets though....he's put up some ridiculous numbers thus far in his career.

[CConn]

Matt Ryan has only played 1 play off game, against the eventual finalists.

And Ryan has the ability to pull out big plays in the clutch.

I remember that game against the Bears last season. Think we was drawing or one point behind with like, 10 seconds to go. Snaps the ball, flings it to Jenkins in perfect position for him to get out of bounds. We then score the winning field goal.But that's my point, Ryan has only played 1 playoff game. He's totally untested. I'm not saying he won't perform well in the future, but to say Romo's overrated because he's a young quarterback, but start praising guys who have only had one season to learn the game and prove themselves as clutch players, is ridiculous. Matt Ryan will probably be one of the best QBs around in a few years, but I wouldn't make the mistake everyone else made with Tony Romo and declare him the next Roger Staubach without him actually doing anything to earn it.

[FaT_tONle]

Exactly...their wasn't much interest which I think was what he was trying to say. He was surprised he was relegated to a gimmick player for the time being. I don't think he wsa saying I should be the QB of The Eagles which is what the article seem to try and suggest.

Vick can't be making bonehead comments like that to the media I'm sorry. He was probably being as candid and forthright as one can be, but when that's your role, you just have to pay the lip service to coaches and fans for at least getting an opportunity rather than compaining about how you need to be a starter. He hasn't embraced his new role. Frankly, I think we will see less and less of him down the stretch barring injury.


Mcnabb has at least gotten them to The Superbowl.

With Romo, he's a good QB but he comes up short in the worst times, mainly December where his QB rating is in like the 50's....not to mention that botched hold in the playoffs. He definitely doesn't deserve all the constant bashing he gets though....he's put up some ridiculous numbers thus far in his career.

The 2006 season was lost on the Sunday Night stinker against the Saints. Bill didn't have that team ready mentally for the stretch run. I take solace in the fact that there was no way the Cowboys were beating the Colts/Pats in the Superbowl in 2006/7 respectively. 2008 was just an injury plagued, chemistry meltdown of a season. You can't expect legit results until year 4-5.

[CConn]

Mcnabb has at least gotten them to The Superbowl.Yeah, after four tries at winning the conference game.

And after picking up one of the best wide receivers in football to help him.

And then when he had a chance to actually win the Super Bowl, he began vomiting profusely.

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah, after four tries at winning the conference game.

And after picking up one of the best wide receivers in football to help him.

And then when he had a chance to actually win the Super Bowl, he began vomiting profusely.
He still got them to the NFC Championship. He's done a lot more with less...

They got to the SB that year without Owens in the playoffs so...

Overreaction much? He did throw up in a TB game but the only person that said McNabb actually threw up in the SB was T.O.

[Excel]

Pretty much the whole New England team :(

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-patriotsinjuries&prov=ap&type=lgns

Thats the biggest piece of bs I have ever seen. Thats lie half of their starters getting hurt in practice the same week.

[FaT_tONle]

Yeah, after four tries at winning the conference game.

And after picking up one of the best wide receivers in football to help him.

And then when he had a chance to actually win the Super Bowl, he began vomiting profusely.

The Superbowl was a terrible performance but when has McNabb ever received a break from his defense? They are probably the most underacheiving big game defense we have seen the past few years. Instead Eagle fans just continue to praise those overhyped, overrated veterans on that defense, from the Jermiah Trotter's, Troy Vincent's, Brian Dawkins', and Hugh Douglases', and Jevon Kearse's of the world. All I remember was that defense getting shredded by the Panthers and Bucs and Cardinals of all teams. Their defense is as much to blame for 2002/2003 and last year. Had they won the Superbowl in 2002, we would have been talking about a team of the decade matchup in 03 or 04. Instead they come away with absolutely nothing.

[CConn]

He still got them to the NFC Championship. He's done a lot more with less...

They got to the SB that year without Owens in the playoffs so...

Overreaction much? He did throw up in a TB game but the only person that said McNabb actually threw up in the SB was T.O....you could see him heaving on TV.

McNabb has always been little more than an average performer - especially in pressure situations.

It's not even really a matter of debate. The Eagles offensive is extremely clunky and haphazard when he's running the offense. His completion percentage for a west coast QB is surprisingly low, his quartback rating for an all star QB is also quite low, and he routinely overthrows wide receivers two yards away from him. He's not a great QB. Good...sure. But not great.

[Dude101]

Vick pretty just said he imagine it different where he would start like every other player. I dont think he means he will be starting over kolb it was just his dream.

[Kelly]

Vick needs to not talk to the media....AT ALL, and the team front office needs to help out and keep the media away from him. He needs to just play football, and let that speak for him.

If I were Vick, every time a reporter puts a mic in front of him, he should just say...."give to your local SPCA....that's all I have to say, watch me play this Sunday."

[Dark Donnie]

The Superbowl was a terrible performance but when has McNabb ever received a break from his defense? They are probably the most underacheiving big game defense we have seen the past few years. Instead Eagle fans just continue to praise those overhyped, overrated veterans on that defense, from the Jermiah Trotter's, Troy Vincent's, Brian Dawkins', and Hugh Douglases', and Jevon Kearse's of the world. All I remember was that defense getting shredded by the Panthers and Bucs and Cardinals of all teams. Their defense is as much to blame for 2002/2003 and last year. Had they won the Superbowl in 2002, we would have been talking about a team of the decade matchup in 03 or 04. Instead they come away with absolutely nothing.
Well I agree with most of what your saying, I wouldn't call Dawkins overhyped or overrated as he will likely be in the Hall one day. Also, the McNabb hate in Philly really isn't what a lot of people think. While he does receive criticism, most people realize he never got a fair shake in terms of a top WR (Owens of one year).

But yes for every time McNabb "choked" on a last drive the defense gave up a TD the previous series (Arizona for example).

...you could see him heaving on TV.

McNabb has always been little more than an average performer - especially in pressure situations.

It's not even really a matter of debate. The Eagles offensive is extremely clunky and haphazard when he's running the offense. His completion percentage for a west coast QB is surprisingly low, his quartback rating for an all star QB is also quite low, and he routinely overthrows wide receivers two yards away from him. He's not a great QB. Good...sure. But not great.

If you show me a clip of that then I will stand corrected.

McNabb is a sure fire Hall of Famer if he wins a ring. He'll retire with better numbers then guys like Namath and Aikman just to name a few.

[Kelly]

Plain and simple, Romo played horrible Sunday. He was the 12th player for the Giants. The Giants did not beat the Cowboys, Romo did. He needs to step it up, he doesn't have Jessica to blame anymore.

[Dude101]

I never agreed with how Vick went to Jail anyway, That law is so hypocritical.

[Kelly]

If you show me a clip of that then I will stand corrected.


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[Belvedere]

I really hope Jay Cutler lights the Seahawks up this weekend.

[Darthphere]

Plain and simple, Romo played horrible Sunday. He was the 13th player for the Giants. The Giants did not beat the Cowboys, Romo did. He needs to step it up, he doesn't have Jessica to blame anymore.

Who was the 12th?:huh:

[BlackLantern]

Jesus??

[Addendum]

Jesus??

If she was american...

[Dark Donnie]

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I said Superbowl

[Kelly]

:dry: I said Superbowl

Well, not exactly, but I'll give it to you anyway....

[Fresh Prince]

I prefer Micheal Vick next year as starting GB then Mcnabb.

[Kelly]

Who was the 12th?:huh:


lmao....you are correct.....lol ooops....Romo was the 12th man.

Chalk it off to no sleep.:doh: