2009 NFL Thread

[Immortalfire]

Oakland. Wow. :dry:

Of all the teams in recent memory that have managed to absolutely stink, the Raiders are the only one to simply refuse to show any legitimate signs of improvement. They haven't a season with more than 5 victories since that Super Bowl thrashing by Chucky & Crew. That's six full seasons. Even the damn Lions have won more games over that timeframe (27 to 25) and they had a season where they didn't win a flippin' game! Oakland has had some decent players. This really is quite the phenomenon.

Also, a little side note on everyone's favorite blimp, masquerading as a QB; 2 1/2 minutes into the second quarter, the Giants had a 28-0 lead. Practically any other team in the league would realize it's a blowout, get a sense of urgency by this point, pretty much abandon it's usual game plan and adopt a more pass-heavy offense, in hopes of somehow catching up (or showing any sign of life).

Jacksonville lost 41-0; Garrard threw 31 passes. San Fran lost 45-10; Hill threw 38 passes. St. Louis lost 38-10; Boller threw 31 times. Tampa Bay lost 33-14; Johnson threw 50 times. Tennessee lost 31-9; Collins threw 32 passes. Some of those guys didn't even play the entire game.

How many passes did Tubby, who played 4 quarters, throw in the midst of a 44-7 asskicking? 13. Just win, baby. :awesome:

Hopeless.

Who takes over when Al kicks the bucket?

[Raiden]

Hopeless.

Who takes over when Al kicks the bucket?

At this point, anyone would be an improvement, even a 5-year-old. :oldrazz:

[Mister J]

It's a moot point. Al Davis' mother lived to be 103. He's stubborn enough to surpass that. He'll run that team from a hospital bed if need be.

[BlackLantern]

Hopeless.

Who takes over when Al kicks the bucket?

Billy from the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy....Al loves that show...especially Grim

[Immortalfire]

Al is reminding me of Bill Wirtz. Wants to do things his own stubbon, idiotic way, and to hell with the team's results.

[Raiden]

Schein 9: It's ugly and crowded at bottom of NFL (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10209752/Schein-9:-It's-ugly-and-crowded-at-bottom-of-NFL?GT1=39002)

[SurfDUI]

For a team that has went nowhere... real slowly... over the past 15 years. There seems to be a lot of pilling on towards the Raiders as of late. You'd think they'd be winning games if you total the amount of posts here alone. Are not there like just 2 or 3 Raider fans here- my fandom condolonces goes out to you.

It's not like the Chiefs who at one time were really good in the AFC, and suck out loud.
It's not like Bucs, who outside of Dungy's influence would surley have the worst performing franchise in sports to date.

I guess we all love a daffy old bastard, or at least to pick on one.
Is he out of his mind? Hell, he might be. I saw that embarrassing projector press confrence last season that ousted Lane. but damn.

They're bad and JaMarcus, a portly fellow, isn't so hot. I get it.

[Dark Helmet]

I can not wait for the Jets VS the Dolphins Round #2. I hope both teams prepare for that game like ****

[Raiden]

I can not wait for the Jets VS the Dolphins Round #2. I hope both teams prepare for that game like ****

Rex Ryan said that the team won't be able to get over their loss to the Fins until the rematch, so that game will probably be Game of the Week.

[Dark Helmet]

Rex Ryan said that the team won't be able to get over their loss to the Fins until the rematch, so that game will probably be Game of the Week.

More like game of the ****ing year at this point. No doubt the Jets will be practicing stopping those Wild Cat plays while the Dolphins will need to get creative. I hope they do not take a week off the Dolphins better be practicing. Especially for the rematch

[Darthphere]

I'd laugh my ass off if the Dolphins beat them in a blowout.

[Raiden]

I'd laugh my ass off if the Dolphins beat them in a blowout.

Dolphins barely beat the Jets when they were playing at home, and Jets will have more tapes to review and prepare against the Wildcat. I don't think Fins will beat them again, but we'll see.

[Dark Helmet]

I'd laugh my ass off if the Dolphins beat them in a blowout.

The Giants game will be tough. Heck they should just give the Jets the win for the Raider game at this point & I can see the Jets beating Buffalo

[Dark Helmet]

Dolphins barely beat the Jets when they were playing at home, and Jets will have more tapes to review and prepare against the Wildcat. I don't think Fins will beat them again, but we'll see.

& that is why I am saying if the Dolphins care they better be practicing instead of a one week vacation especially since the Jets made beating the Dolphins their #1 priority

[Spider-Fan]

The Jets played the Wildcat TWICE last year also...and the Dolphins still beat them last week. This isn't the Wildcat's first season, so I don't know why people are saying the Jets will figure it out for game two. THEY HAVEN'T AFTER 3 GAMES!!!

Likely the next Phins/Jets game will be another close game won by 7 points or less that can go either way. That is how those teams play each other. The Jets won't magically figure out an offense they've seen 3 times and still get confused by.

[Darthphere]

Dolphins barely beat the Jets when they were playing at home, and Jets will have more tapes to review and prepare against the Wildcat. I don't think Fins will beat them again, but we'll see.

The Jets played the Wildcat TWICE last year also...and the Dolphins still beat them last week. This isn't the Wildcat's first season, so I don't know why people are saying the Jets will figure it out for game two. THEY HAVEN'T AFTER 3 GAMES!!!

Likely the next Phins/Jets game will be another close game won by 7 points or less that can go either way. That is how those teams play each other. The Jets won't magically figure out an offense they've seen 3 times and still get confused by.

And the Wildcat keeps evolving. The reason they were able to score on the last drive was because of all the different looks they threw at them. Henne throwing the ball. Ronnie with the direct snaps. Pat White in the shotgun. We have not even begun to see everything the Wildcat has to offer.

And defensively, the Fins outplayed the Jets. The Jets needed two fake punts and a ******** pass interference call to stay in the game.

[BlackLantern]

the Wildcat works if you have 2 good backs and an athletic QB (like Henne)....you're not fooling anyone if Favre or Chad Pennington is lining up in formation

[Spider-Fan]

And the Wildcat keeps evolving. The reason they were able to score on the last drive was because of all the different looks they threw at them. Henne throwing the ball. Ronnie with the direct snaps. Pat White in the shotgun. We have not even begun to see everything the Wildcat has to offer.

And defensively, the Fins outplayed the Jets. The Jets needed two fake punts and a ******** pass interference call to stay in the game.

Yep. The Dolphins outthought the Jets in many ways, and one of the smartest things they did was the times they moved the pocket to one side of the field many times in the game in order to neutralize the outside blitzers of the Jets.

The Dolphins knew how to attack the agressive defense of the Jets, and like you said, the Wildcat keeps evolving. I don't see the Jets just all of a sudden shutting the Dolphins down. No one has found a way to shut this "gimmick" offense down for the long haul yet, and it has been around over a year. Do I think the Dolphins are gonna steam roll the Jets? No, cause these teams play close games against each other, and I expect round 2 to be close.

[Darthphere]

the Wildcat works if you have 2 good backs and an athletic QB (like Henne)....you're not fooling anyone if Favre or Chad Pennington is lining up in formation

I think Chad Pennington actually had a reception out of the Wildcat formation.:huh:

[BlackLantern]

maybe he did....but if Oakland were to try it and I see JaTubby lining up in the slot, I know whats coming

[Darthphere]

maybe he did....but if Oakland were to try it and I see JaTubby lining up in the slot, I know whats coming

A 50 yard bomb for a touchdown?:huh:

[Raiden]

Yep. The Dolphins outthought the Jets in many ways, and one of the smartest things they did was the times they moved the pocket to one side of the field many times in the game in order to neutralize the outside blitzers of the Jets.

The Dolphins knew how to attack the agressive defense of the Jets, and like you said, the Wildcat keeps evolving. I don't see the Jets just all of a sudden shutting the Dolphins down. No one has found a way to shut this "gimmick" offense down for the long haul yet, and it has been around over a year. Do I think the Dolphins are gonna steam roll the Jets? No, cause these teams play close games against each other, and I expect round 2 to be close.

Rex Ryan and the Jets players are all quite upset over their loss to the Fins, and I do believe that they will be extra motivated in their rematch, and Jets will be playing at home so the intangibles might be on Jets' side. However, I think it's fascinating to see Dolphins modifying their Wildcat schemes, and Jets (under Ryan) trying to do likewise to their defensive schemes as well. We'll see which team make the proper adjustment and bring their 'A' game in that rematch.

[Erzengel]

I'm guessing if Henne impresses, Pennington will be looking for a new team next year. Honestly I'm surprised he stayed healthy the whole of last year. :o

[Darthphere]

I'm guessing if Henne impresses, Pennington will be looking for a new team next year. Honestly I'm surprised he stayed healthy the whole of last year. :o

Pennington wasn't coming back next season anyway.

[Erzengel]

I thought they might extend it past the 2 years until I saw Henne play.

[Darthphere]

I thought they might extend it past the 2 years until I saw Henne play.

No, they had pretty much said this was Henne's team next year. The only way Chad would have gotten an extension was if they won the Super Bowl or something.

[Excel]

OffdaMarcus Russel has been screwed by having to learn new offenses every single season and having nobody to throw to this. Year hes looked bad, but last year espec. the last month he was shredding defenses.

You guys understand how good a qb has to be in order average 200 passing yards, 2 tds, and a 60% completition % per game (which he did over the last few games last year) when his starting wide receivers (johnny lee higgins and Ronald Curry) would fail to make most other NFL rosters.

Accuracy has been a problem for him this year and abit last year, as has fumbles. However, when has Russel ever failed to make proper read consistently? Last year he averaged 1 pick every 46 pass attempts. Thats better than

-Peyton Manning
-Drew Brees
-Phillip Rivers
-Kurt Warner
-Aaron Rodgers

The starters in the NFL with over 350 attempts and a better average were Chad Pennington, Jason Campbell, and Jeff Garcia. Decision making has not been JaMarcus Russels problem for the most part. Last year he was hittin guys who couldnt catch, this year he is just missing them all together.

[Spider-Fan]

Rex Ryan and the Jets players are all quite upset over their loss to the Fins, and I do believe that they will be extra motivated in their rematch, and Jets will be playing at home so the intangibles might be on Jets' side. However, I think it's fascinating to see Dolphins modifying their Wildcat schemes, and Jets (under Ryan) trying to do likewise to their defensive schemes as well. We'll see which team make the proper adjustment and bring their 'A' game in that rematch.

The Jets definately need motivation in that game, cause if Miami beats them again, then the Jets have no shot at the division, and their playoff hopes take a major blow. Game 2 against Miami is a must win for the Jets, cause I don't see Miami going away this season, and if the Jets have 2 losses to the Dolphins, then the Dolphins will just have to finsh the season with the same record as the Jets.

Miami knows this, and the Jets know this. Both teams are going to be prepping hard for that game.

[Darthphere]

Accuracy has been a problem for him this year and abit last year, as has fumbles. However, when has Russel ever failed to make proper read consistently? Last year he averaged 1 pick every 46 pass attempts. Thats better than

-Peyton Manning
-Drew Brees
-Phillip Rivers
-Kurt Warner
-Aaron Rodgers

The starters in the NFL with over 350 attempts and a better average were Chad Pennington, Jason Campbell, and Jeff Garcia. Decision making has not been JaMarcus Russels problem for the most part. Last year he was hittin guys who couldnt catch, this year he is just missing them all together.

This is a misleading stat. So he had less INT than those guys per average. Ok, now show me the stat for missing wide open receivers by 10 yards. I would wager he leads the league in that.

[Erzengel]

No, they had pretty much said this was Henne's team next year. The only way Chad would have gotten an extension was if they won the Super Bowl or something.
I never liked Pennington anyways, even when he was a Jet. :o

[Erzengel]

This is a misleading stat. So he had less INT than those guys per average. Ok, now shoe me the stat for missing wide open receivers by 10 yards. I would wager he leads the league in that.
Also, last week against the Giants when you are down by 28 points, two minutes into the 2nd quarter, that should light a fire underneath you and kinda prompt you to actually throw the ball.

[Darthphere]

I never liked Pennington anyways, even when he was a Jet. :o

Pennington just got too injured too fast. He has like no arm strength anymore and passes like the Henne-Ted Ginn Jr TD would never have happened with him.

[Immortalfire]

Excel is missing out on the fun around here. Instead of engaging in some futile attempt to make Russell look like a star, join the rest of us in fat jokes and dismal head shaking at how horrid the Raiders organization has become.

[Raiden]

Pennington just got too injured too fast. He has like no arm strength anymore and passes like the Henne-Ted Ginn Jr TD would never have happened with him.

Pennington is just way too injury-prone, and I'm surprised that he could extend his career even though he has had two rotator-cup surgeries. And despite his passing accuracy, he has the reputation of not being able to make long passes. However, he's a classy guy and good leader on the field, so I'm happy that he was able to find success in Miami (before the injury).

[Darthphere]

Pennington is just way too injury-prone, and I'm surprised that he could extend his career even though he has had two rotator-cup surgeries. And despite his passing accuracy, he has the reputation of not being able to make long passes. However, he's a classy guy and good leader on the field, so I'm happy that he was able to find success in Miami (before the injury).

He'll be a real good coach one day.

[Spider-Fan]

The day he announced he was going to the NFL, I said Russell would be a bust, and from his hold out, to his horrendous play, he has not let me down :up:

People saw that big arm when he was leaving college. I saw a guy who threw into triple coverage all the time, and routinely got bailed out by receivers. He never had the intangibles, nor the the control to have NFL success. All he had was a big arm that got him the attention of coaches who felt that perhaps if we tame the arm, he'll be unstoppable. Problem is, his hold out shows he has a poor mindset for a player who needs the kind of work he does. He'll never have success in the NFL, and he'll end up being a journey man that coaches keep trying to help, but never can. You don't draft guys with big arms and no talent elsewhere #1, unless you're an idiot. And Russell is lucky the Raiders are idiots.

[BlackLantern]

The day he announced he was going to the NFL, I said Russell would be a bust, and from his hold out, to his horrendous play, he has not let me down :up:

People saw that big arm when he was leaving college. I saw a guy who threw into triple coverage all the time, and routinely got bailed out by receivers. He never had the intangibles, nor the the control to have NFL success. All he had was a big arm that got him the attention of coaches who felt that perhaps if we tame the arm, he'll be unstoppable. Problem is, his hold out shows he has a poor mindset for a player who needs the kind of work he does. He'll never have success in the NFL, and he'll end up being a journey man that coaches keep trying to help, but never can. You don't draft guys with big arms and no talent elsewhere #1, unless you're an idiot. And Russell is lucky the Raiders are idiots.

what this guy said

[Mister J]

maybe he did....but if Oakland were to try it and I see JaTubby lining up in the slot, I know whats coming

A 50 yard bomb for a touchdown?:huh:
Do you know how supremely well that offensive line would have to block in order for Russell to lumber his hefty ass downfield for this?

On the other hand, I could see him scaring the hell out of a 5'9, 180 lb. CB, who moves out of the way simply to avoid being trampled. Maybe even a Juggernaut-like scenario if Russell gets a head of steam going and gets hit in stride with the pass.

Actually, I want to see this. Litter the end zone with cheeseburgers if necessary, but get it done.

[BlackLantern]

Do you know how supremely well that offensive line would have to block in order for Russell to lumber his hefty ass downfield for this?

On the other hand, I could see him scaring the hell out of a 5'9, 180 lb. CB, who moves out of the way simply to avoid being trampled. Maybe even a Juggernaut-like scenario if Russell gets a head of steam going and gets hit in stride with the pass.

Actually, I want to see this. Litter the end zone with cheeseburgers if necessary, but get it done.

haha....

[Raiden]

The day he announced he was going to the NFL, I said Russell would be a bust, and from his hold out, to his horrendous play, he has not let me down :up:

People saw that big arm when he was leaving college. I saw a guy who threw into triple coverage all the time, and routinely got bailed out by receivers. He never had the intangibles, nor the the control to have NFL success. All he had was a big arm that got him the attention of coaches who felt that perhaps if we tame the arm, he'll be unstoppable. Problem is, his hold out shows he has a poor mindset for a player who needs the kind of work he does. He'll never have success in the NFL, and he'll end up being a journey man that coaches keep trying to help, but never can. You don't draft guys with big arms and no talent elsewhere #1, unless you're an idiot. And Russell is lucky the Raiders are idiots.

I don't understand why anyone would vouch for Russell; he may have the big arm, but he lacks in every other dept, such as the ability to read defense, make good, accurate passes, and good work ethnics. QB is the hardest position in NFL, because you not only need the talent, you also need the intellect to make it work. Unfortunately, Russell is all fat and no brains. He's fortunate that he got drafted by the Raiders, who has a crazy owner who'd not only pay him the big bucks, but also subbornly keep him as the starter. He won't have been able to make it as the third-stringer in every other NFL team. I'd start Brady Quinn over him in a heartbeat.

[BlackLantern]

a big part of it does seem to be mental with him....sources from the team cite that he is constantly late for meetings and practices, falls asleep in film study or just doesn't attend, and his refusal to even acknowledge that his weight is an issue

[Mister J]

Jeff Garcia had noted criticism of Tubby and Raiders after his time there. I still don't know why the Raiders signed him, but I imagine Garcia went there with the intention of passing along some knowledge to a younger guy or possibly eventually starting (because Russell ...is a work in progress, to be polite :o). After getting a look at what the Raiders were about, he asked to be released ...in part, because he viewed Russell's work ethic to wholly suck.

Garcia's a guy who's worked his ass off to make it in the NFL. It's not surprising he would rather face the prospect of sitting at home (with his hot ass wife :awesome:) than essentially co-signing of the Raiders' endorsement of the Russell Bubble.

[That-Guy]

Yeah, I hope some team picks up Garcia before all is said and done. His career is nearing its end but I still think he has another season or two in him. It's no surprise he didn't want to taint his legacy by rotting away in Oakland, though.

[JaD]

Holy s*** you guys, I have to tell something that came up in my dream last night. It's a little out there though, hope it's not some kind of premonition type of a deal. But in my dream something came up of me reading about an upset by the Detroit Lions on the NY Giants and that they handed them their first loss of the season 101-1...... Hahaha, I don't think you can score just one point in football, but damn.

[Mister J]

You sure they weren't playing a continuing game of Spades that got way out of hand? :hehe:
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Bills Fans Rent Billboard to Rip Team (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10219740/Bills-fans-rent-billboard-to-rip-team)
In a little more than a week, Abshagen, an unemployed 18-year-old from New Freedom, Pa., raised enough money — $1,402 and counting as of Wednesday — through an Internet campaign to rent a billboard and advertise a message of discontent for everyone in Buffalo to see.

"I honestly never thought it would ever be this big," Abshagen said. "Fans are disgruntled. It's out there. It's big. People are going to hear about it."

Starting early Monday and running for a week, the message will be flashed up to 3,000 times a day on a digital billboard overlooking Interstate 190 on the south side of the city, said Abshagen after signing a contract with an advertising company.

The display will feature a message that reads, "It's time to clean house, RALPH," referring to Wilson. Next to that will be a checklist of three names: Jauron; the team's chief college scout Tom Modrak; and vice president of pro personnel John Guy.So, if there's to be any correlation, someone in St. Louis should be looking into securing airtime for a commercial, no?

[Raiden]

Bills fans >>> Raiders fans

Seriously, why hasn't anyone in Oakland come up with the same idea? I mean, Raiders have had worst record than even Lions in the years after they went to the SB, and Lions had a winless season!

[That-Guy]

Because it would be pointless. The billboard would read: "It's time to clean house, AL," and just feature a picture of Davis. And unless he's going to fire himself, well, fans of the silver and black are stuck with mediocrity until the bastard dies.

[Cmill216]

Russell's awfulness is also a product of instability within the organization. They're a mess from the very top, and it's not going to change until Davis is booted. That Jon Gruden deal was the beginning of the end.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well yea he can't exactly develop as a player if he has a different coach every single year.

[That-Guy]

Yeah, as bad as Russell is, I can't help but wonder if he might have turned out to be a relatively decent QB if another team had taken him. But regardless, no one is forcing him the play like a lazyass.

[StorminNorman]

OffdaMarcus Russel has been screwed by having to learn new offenses every single season and having nobody to throw to this. Year hes looked bad, but last year espec. the last month he was shredding defenses.


I will agree that Russel finished the season looking very good, but you can't place the blame outside of Russel himself for his regression. Yes, instability at OC is rarely a good thing for a young QB, and the organization is the worst in football, and his receivers are young or untalented - but Russel simply isn't a victim of a sinking ship, he is the captain of it.

Russel has the skills to be an NFL QB, he doesn't have the mind. The guy came into camp overweight and was wondering why people cared. The guy simply isn't self motivated to be the best at what he does, and that means instant fail in this league. The guy is very much Leaf like - the mental problems are different, but equally damning.

Schein 9: It's ugly and crowded at bottom of NFL (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10209752/Schein-9:-It%27s-ugly-and-crowded-at-bottom-of-NFL?GT1=39002)

Putting the Lions on that list, even at 6, is simply lazy. The Lions are playing fine football. Considering the opponents they have lost to (a combined 3 losses, most of which coming from Pittsburgh), their performance thus far has been very good.

[Raiden]

Putting the Lions on that list, even at 6, is simply lazy. The Lions are playing fine football. Considering the opponents they have lost to (a combined 3 losses, most of which coming from Pittsburgh), their performance thus far has been very good.

I think Lions look the best next to all those 1-win or winless teams, but their record still put them at the bottom of the league. At least they have alot of positives for a team that had zero wins last season.

[Dr. Evil]

Raiders blacked out again:

http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009/10/15/raiders-eagles-a-blackout/

[Excel]

Jeff Garcia had noted criticism of Tubby and Raiders after his time there. I still don't know why the Raiders signed him, but I imagine Garcia went there with the intention of passing along some knowledge to a younger guy or possibly eventually starting (because Russell ...is a work in progress, to be polite :o). After getting a look at what the Raiders were about, he asked to be released ...in part, because he viewed Russell's work ethic to wholly suck.

Garcia's a guy who's worked his ass off to make it in the NFL. It's not surprising he would rather face the prospect of sitting at home (with his hot ass wife :awesome:) than essentially co-signing of the Raiders' endorsement of the Russell Bubble.

Garcias comments were that the Raiders are a joke and its absurd fo them to think Russel can handle what theyre asking him. He didnt rip Russel; he rips big Al.

[Mister J]

Saying that a guy doesn't have any real leadership quality about him and that he lacks the ability to step up and get things done during the game, as opposed to just being a practice all-star who looks good in drills, is plenty criticism to me.

[Darthphere]

When a guy eats a bag of chips after every practice, there's a problem.

[BlackLantern]

or when a guy refuses to acknowledge he has weight issues....and hes put on a good 30 lbs since he joined the Raiderrs

[Dark Donnie]

Yeah Garcia basically said Russell was a lazy ****.

[Excel]

And Randy was lazy there too. Perhaps Offthemarcus just needs a change fo scenery like everybody out there.

[Darthphere]

You can't even compare the two. Randy Moss was an elite WR before going to Oakland.

[Poeman]

I think the Jets will be better prepared against the dolphins in 3 weeks. A revenge game would make this sweeter

[omid17]

Vanden Bosch fined for hit on Manning

The NFL has fined Tennessee defensive end Kyle Vanden Bosch (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5481/) $5,000 for his hit on Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/4256/;_ylt=AluJ.SfpByFMx_Kf5xUjRpwdsLYF)

[StorminNorman]

Did the NFL fine Meriweather for his hit on Kyle Orton which was essentially the same hit Suggs put on Brady?

[Mister J]

Apparently, Ray Lewis was fined 25K for the hit on Esteban ...who later hit up Goodell on Twiiter, asking him not to fine Lewis.

...


There should just be a weekly memo posted at the NFL's website that lists all the fines.
Why the **** is The Hammer on Twitter?! :cmad:

[Spider-Fan]

And Randy was lazy there too. Perhaps Offthemarcus just needs a change fo scenery like everybody out there.

Randy Moss was one of the NFL's best WR before he went to Oakland, and we all knew as a Viking he took plays off at times. Russell is a rook who got paid and doesn't have the motivation to do anything more. He got his paycheck and he is their future already. That is how he sees it. That is the mentality of a BAD quarterback. How did he thank the Raiders when he was drafted? He held out and showed up with more poundage on his gut. That should have been a red flag to the Raiders to give up on him. Players like that have no hope in the NFL. I don't care if he was sent to the great Bellichick at this point. Russell will NEVER amount to anything in the NFL.

[Excel]

What do you mean by "Randy Moss was one of the NFL's best WR"?

[Cmill216]

What do you mean by "Randy Moss was one of the NFL's best WR"?

......

Randy Moss was one of the NFL's best WR before he went to Oakland

[Excel]

Just erase "one of" and its accurate.

[Kaleb]

@ Bunk

Hey do you know any more info about Baltimore trading for Dwayne Bowe ?. I havnt heard much news so I searched his name via twitter and just about every topic with his name mentions him possibly been traded to the Ravens.

http://twitter.com/#search?q=Dwayne%20Bowe%20

[bunk]

@ Bunk

Hey do you know any more info about Baltimore trading for Dwayne Bowe ?. I havnt heard much news so I searched his name via twitter and just about every topic with his name mentions him possibly been traded to the Ravens.

http://twitter.com/#search?q=Dwayne%20Bowe%20

Yeah, I just heard about that rumor. I guess it hasn't been denied yet that the Ravens are considering trading a draft pick or two for him.

[Fresh Prince]

What do you mean by "Randy Moss was one of the NFL's best WR"?

Back in 99/00 they said he would be the best wide out ever.

[Dr. Evil]

Tampa trades Gaines Adams to Da Bears for 2010 2nd rounder

[Spider-Fan]

What do you mean by "Randy Moss was one of the NFL's best WR"?

I won't edit that part out, cause it doesn't matter. I'd say his "Randy being Randy" antics in Minnesota kept him from being the absolute best as a Viking. Had he not admitted to taking plays off, I'd say he was the best prior to the Oakland trade, but that attitude issue prevents me from saying that.

You may disagree with me, but attitude as a player is factored into how good I feel that player is. Like, when I get into Marino vs Montana debates with people, I easily rank Montana higher not just for Championships, but for overall composure and a tougher attitude on the field than Marino. Despite the fact his stats are not as impressive.

[Boom]

Chad Johnson and Motorola bought the rest of the Bengals tickets to sell out the game.

[Kaleb]

Chad Johnson and Motorola bought the rest of the Bengals tickets to sell out the game.

Thats pretty swell of them, however the fact that they almost had a blackout even though they are doing very well tells me a lot.

[BlackLantern]

people just can't afford to go to games right now

[Ace of Knaves]

Exactly.

How much is a ticket to the games? 50-60 dollars? Plus travel, plus some food and drinks. Going to a game is an expensive day out.

When I go to football matches over here I do at least a ton.

[Immortalfire]

I got 2 Falcons tickets for Nov 8th, at $85 each (via eBay)

[Ace of Knaves]

Damn that is expensive. So you're looking at spending like 150 bucks on a day out to a game?

[Immortalfire]

Combined, I guess so. Train fare into the city is $1.75, and as for concessions..I usually only get a Coke. I eat elsewhere after the game.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ahh I see. Cool.

[StorminNorman]

Chad Johnson and Motorola bought the rest of the Bengals tickets to sell out the game.

Chad Ochocinco: the greatest player in the NFL :up:

[Dude101]

The thing is they have had sellouts since 2001 but the economy added with the bad match up made it a less attractive game.

[Mister J]

Combined, I guess so. Train fare into the city is $1.75, and as for concessions..I usually only get a Coke. I eat elsewhere after the game.
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/732/hooters3.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/i/hooters3.jpg/)

:awesome::awesome::awesome:

[Dude101]

http://www.allfootball247.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/jamarcus2.png

Man I didn't know it was this bad with JaBust " fatty" Russell.

[Ace of Knaves]

Please, PLEASE tell me that's photoshopped?

[Addendum]

Dude looks like he ate the Fridge.

[Ace of Knaves]

Dude looks like a Fridge.

fixed

[BlackLantern]

as far as the blackout rule, I don't like it but I understand its about business and attendance and all that...I figure a team has 8 home games...take 2 or 3 and work some agreement where those 2 or 3 games aren't blacked out

[Dude101]

Please, PLEASE tell me that's photoshopped?The truth is only a little bit.

[Darthphere]

Please, PLEASE tell me that's photoshopped?

Very badly so.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, I knew he was fat but not THAT fat. Guy looks about 400 pounds there.

[Addendum]

fixed
The Fridge.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2126/large2williamperry422.jpg

[Immortalfire]

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/732/hooters3.jpg (http://img240.imageshack.us/i/hooters3.jpg/)

:awesome::awesome::awesome:

:awesome:


I've actually never been to Hooters

[BlackLantern]

I recommend the Smothered Chicken Sandwich if you ever find yourself at Hooters

[Go Web Go!]

:awesome:


I've actually never been to Hooters

:wow:

You don't know what you're missin'!

[StorminNorman]

Subpar food and fairly attractive women with large breasts?

[Go Web Go!]

That's exactly it.

[BlackLantern]

thats why I go for that smothered chicken sandwich...not a fan of the wings, but the one closest to me carries a beer that i like...im not there a lot but its not the worst place to eat

[Immortalfire]

Everyone I know that's been says the hot chicks are good, but the food is bad.

[Go Web Go!]

It's not 5-star material, but I wouldn't say it's bad at all.

[Addendum]

Everyone I know that's been says the hot chicks are good, but the food is bad.

So Hooters is Image Comics as a restaurant: eye candy but nothing of substance.

[BlackLantern]

its ok food...there is worse out there....Dennys...and usually the waitstaff there looks like they are just working there because their parole dictates they must have a job

[Darthphere]

its ok food...there is worse out there....Dennys...and usually the waitstaff there looks like they are just working there because their parole dictates they must have a job

Denny's food is good for being pretty cheap.

[Dr. Evil]

Fatty would put both Denny's and Hooters out of business.

[Immortalfire]

This conversation is making me miss GR87 all the more.

[LegendaryCaleb]

Everyone I know that's been says the hot chicks are good, but the food is bad.
ehh...all the chicks at the one i go to are ugly as heck...so i just order take out (i love the hot wings...they are one of my favorite things ever)
but when im chillin in dallas...heck yes im sittin down

[Dark Helmet]

So is anyone actually watching the Raiders game tomorrow. The Eagles look good this year but jeez lol

[Fresh Prince]

People go to Hooters for the hot women.....Food is second.

[Fresh Prince]

So is anyone actually watching the Raiders game tomorrow. The Eagles look good this year but jeez lol

Thats a win for us.....4-1.....We will kill Redskins the following week aswell.

[Spider-Fan]

This conversation is making me miss GR87 all the more.

LOL! This conversation definately needs more GR87 :woot:

[Immortalfire]

I wonder what he'd have to say about his team's (Titans) current state of affairs.

[Silver Knight]

Are you ready for NFL football!

[Genesis 1.0]

Minesota's D should prove to be a damn good test against Flaaco but I hope we can bounce back, 3-3 ain't pretty.

[SurfDUI]

I been patronizing the Hooters for years. And have neva had anything past the wings...on the menu at least. Damn good wings.

Bye week, High week, let's go Giants, Eagles, and Redskins- even tho I picked gainst them.

Feelin kinda Sundaaay!!

[Dr. Evil]

On Fox.....Frank Caliendo as Charles Barkley and Aires Spears as Shaq picking games.

[Kane52630]

totally forgot its sunday

[Kane52630]

On Fox.....Frank Caliendo as Charles Barkley and Aires Spears as Shaq picking games.

i saw that :hehe:
Aires Spears is awesome

[Dr. Evil]

Strahan on Fox says that he would love to trade Terrell Owens to the Toronto Argonauts of the CFL so that he can torment another nation.

[Kelly]

People go to Hooters for the hot women.....Food is second.

Um, not everyone......the Hooters near me has the best raw oysters around. Hot Wings, raw oysters, Michelob Ultra, football.......its the best.:fhm:

[SurfDUI]

On Fox.....Frank Caliendo as Charles Barkley and Aires Spears as Shaq picking games.

I miss switching btween the Sunday pregames. CBS always won out. Frank still cracks me up.

Elija Nelson Manning
Didn't know his full name, cool

[Dr. Evil]

i saw that :hehe:
Aires Spears is awesome

Barkley wasn't too thrilled with Frank impersonating him, but Sir Charles did love his impersonation of Bill Walton.

[Dude101]

i saw that :hehe:
Aires Spears is awesomeI saw it. yes he is.

Also any Giants fan be ready to get your asses handed to you today.

[Kane52630]

well see Cenafan

[Dr. Evil]

well see Cenafan

Wait, did he say in the pro wrestling thread that he liked John Cena? If so, hell hath frozen over.

[SurfDUI]

Barkley wasn't too thrilled with Frank impersonating him, but Sir Charles did love his impersonation of Bill Walton.

Charles jus mad a white dude is more entertaining being him, than he is being himself

[Dr. Evil]

I saw it. yes he is.

Also any Giants fan be ready to get your asses handed to you today.

I got the Giants winning, but barely.

[Kane52630]

Wait, did he say in the pro wrestling thread that he liked John Cena? If so, hell hath frozen over.

yep :hehe:
dont be hard on him, he got bashed everyday in the PWR forum

[-Arya-]

It'll be a good game between the Giants and Saints, but my Giants will come through in the end.

[Kane52630]

It'll be a good game between the Giants and Saints, but my Giants will come through in the end.

:up:

[Dr. Evil]

TD by Minnesota. God throws to Shiancoe.

[Kane52630]

i used to be a big fan of Shockey but when i heard he was messing with eli in the 07-08 season i turned on him

[Dude101]

The Giants are trying to blitz like crazy.

[Dr. Evil]

i used to be a big fan of Shockey but when i heard he was messing with eli in the 07-08 season i turned on him

Shockey is not even a top five tight end....anymore. He's been bumped by Dallas Clark

[Dr. Evil]

I am a Cowboys fan (waits to be hated and thrown out of this thread, haha), but I am also partial to the Vikings, because my dad's a Vikings fan.

[Kane52630]

I am a Cowboys fan (waits to be hated and thrown out of this thread, haha), but I am also partial to the Vikings, because my dad's a Vikings fan.

:argh:


..........

jk :hehe:

[Dude101]

That Giants D isn't so bad after all.

[Dr. Evil]

:argh:


..........

jk :hehe:

At least I am not a Yankees fan as well. I would be the most hated person in this forum if I rooted for the Cowboys, Yankees, Lakers and Red Wings.

:hehe:

But I root for the sorry ass Texas Rangers in baseball.....so that balances out.

[BlackLantern]

even if the Giants lose...they're still leading the NFC east

[Dr. Evil]

Interesting...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/18/childress-extension-could-be-tied-to-stadium-deal/

[Dr. Evil]

Minny 14
Balt 0

Sir Brett of Favre with 2 TD passes

[Ace of Knaves]

C'mon Giants stuff those Saints!!!

And...GOOOO FALCONS!!!

[Mister J]

I didn't think New Orleans would be able to move the ball this easily.

[Kane52630]

come on G-MEN!!!!!

[Dude101]

Saints stomping the Giants right now.

[Dr. Evil]

I'm surprised at the fact that the refs have yet to cost a team a win this season. They did it last year.

[Fresh Prince]

Saints pounding G-Men so far.

[Fresh Prince]

even if the Giants lose...they're still leading the NFC east

For now...We will beat Oakland and Washington.....Then G-Men in week 8!

[Franklin Richards]

Maybe the Saints will get some respect now. As far as power rankings go. I thought they were ahead of all the undefeated teams.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Mister J]

Damn, Saints.

[Kelly]

I'm loving it.......

[Fresh Prince]

Hope Saints beat Giants.

[Kane52630]

:doh:

[Fresh Prince]

21-3 Saints!!!!!

[Fresh Prince]

Man are the Ginats #1 defense overrated....Or the Saints this damn good?

[Dude101]

The Giant are getting beat like the teams they been beating so far.

[Fresh Prince]

Yeah Dude101 I love it.

[Dude101]

The Saints that good baby.

[Dude101]

Yeah Dude101 I love it.Feels good to the best team in the NFC(yeah I said).

[Franklin Richards]

The Giant are getting beat like the teams they been beating so far.

They beat the Cowboys by 2 points in the last minute of the game.



The Saints are beating the Giants alot worse than that.



:cap: :cap: :cap:

[Fresh Prince]

I know Saints that good.

[Dr. Evil]

Feels good to the best team in the NFC(yeah I said).

I don't know....Minnesota may have something to say about that.

[Fresh Prince]

Feels good to the best team in the NFC(yeah I said).

As an Eagles fan I'm just loving the beatdown.

[Fresh Prince]

I don't know....Minnesota may have something to say about that.

Gonna be a war zone this year in NFC between NY, Philly, NO and Minn.

[Darthphere]

Wow Dude101, first the Yankees now the Saints? Wow, frontrunner much?

[Kelly]

I am a Cowboys fan (waits to be hated and thrown out of this thread, haha), but I am also partial to the Vikings, because my dad's a Vikings fan.


I can assure you, you will not be thrown out of this thread........:yay:

[Dude101]

I so do not wanna play Minnesota in the playoffs they look damn good.

[Dr. Evil]

Gonna be a war zone this year in NFC between NY, Philly, NO and Minn.

ESPN knows who they are rooting for.

[Fresh Prince]

Lol ESPN rotting for Minnestoa Favres.

[Fresh Prince]

I so do not wanna play Minnesota in the playoffs they look damn good.

Who is your team?

[Kane52630]

oh thank god that was close

[Dude101]

Wow Dude101, first the Yankees now the Saints? Wow, frontrunner much?haha hey dumbass I''v been here the whole time rooting for the Saints. Next time do a history lesson.

[Dr. Evil]

Well, good news so far for Carolina:

Jake Delhomme has yet to throw an interception

Derek Anderson is 2 of 9 for 14 yards. He's going up against Big Ben who is 9 of 13 for 159 and 1 TD pass.

[BlackLantern]

TD bradshaw...one series at a time

[Darthphere]

haha hey dumbass I''v been here the whole time rooting for the Saints. Next time do a history lesson.

Hahaha, your history speaks for itself actually. Frontrunning at it's finest.

[Dr. Evil]

Eric Mangini should have taken a year off from coaching after he was let go from the Jets.....Browns are awful.

Cleveland fans are saying "Thank goodness we have LeBron and Shaq."

[Dude101]

Are you listening to yourself I'v here since the start rooting for the Saints, I mean I live in New Orleans, who am I front running for seriously. Just go somewhere seriously.

[Darthphere]

Are you listening to yourself I'v here since the start rooting for the Saints, I mean I live in New Orleans, who am I front running for seriously. Just go somewhere seriously.

I was here first.:o

[Dr. Evil]

At least the Saints won't be moving to Los Angeles anytime soon, especially since the Superdome was renovated.

[Dude101]

I was here first.:oSaving ground are we.

Anyway that flag was uncalled for.

[BlackLantern]

Im still trying to work out how an NFL head coach can be fired, and less than 6 months later, get the exact same job elsewhere

[BlackLantern]

Saving ground are we.

Anyway that flag was uncalled for.

actually no...that was a legit PI call...you have to play the ball, not the receiver

[Kane52630]

the saints are Fn up now with the flags lol

[Ace of Knaves]

Giving "sepcial" favours to the GM?

[Dr. Evil]

Im still trying to work out how an NFL head coach can be fired, and less than 6 months later, get the exact same job elsewhere

I know the reason:

Total control of all Football related matters.

[Ace of Knaves]

the saints are Fn up now with the flags lol

Ahh I'd love it if the Saints just imploded this season. They is so smug, they are like Manchester United fans.

[Dude101]

Td by mister Velcro.

[Dr. Evil]

TD Saints!

Brees has 12 TD passes, 3 today.

[Mister J]

Jeebus, Breesus.

[Dr. Evil]

Ahh I'd love it if the Cowboys just imploded this season. They is so smug, they are like Manchester United fans.


Fixed.

[Mastodon123]

Eric Mangini should have taken a year off from coaching after he was let go from the Jets.....Browns are awful.

Cleveland fans are saying "Thank goodness we have LeBron and Shaq."

They won't have LeBron and Shaq after this season is over.

[Dude101]

actually no...that was a legit PI call...you have to play the ball, not the receiverHe was playing the ball his feet just trip with the wr.

Look at me trying to defend the opposing players.

[Dr. Evil]

They won't have LeBron and Shaq after this season is over.

The season starts in two weeks.

[Ace of Knaves]

Fixed.

Heh, the Boyz haven't done anything impressive anyway, so it wouldn't really be an implosion :D

[Dude101]

Fixed.

Ahh I'd love it if the Falcons just imploded this season. They is so smug, they are like Manchester United fans.Fixed

[Kane52630]

Thank you Hixon!!!!

[Dr. Evil]

Well, Troy Aikman is telling the truth.....he just said that Brees isn't Cassell or Fatty.

Holy crap.....15 of 17 for Brees.

[BlackLantern]

He was playing the ball his feet just trip with the wr.

Look at me trying to defend the opposing players.

doesn't matter if the contact was incidental or not...he impeded the receivers route...that's pass interference...

[Dr. Evil]

Well, Troy Aikman is telling the truth.....he just said that Brees isn't Cassell or Fatty.

Holy crap.....15 of 17 for Brees.

[Ace of Knaves]

Fixed

:D The Falcons will only get better. For the Saints now, the only way is down. If Brees gets injured your kaput.

But as a neutral, I wouldn't want Brees to get hurt, he's a joy to watch.

[Dude101]

Hixon and Bradshaw keeping the Giants in this game right now.

[Fresh Prince]

At least the Saints won't be moving to Los Angeles anytime soon, especially since the Superdome was renovated.

Saints were moving to LA?.....Would of been nice for LA fans to have a Super Bowl contending team.

[Dude101]

:D The Falcons will only get better. For the Saints now, the only way is down. If Brees gets injured your kaput.Actually were still pretty good team without him but we ain't going nowhere without him.

Damn these guys just wont stay down.

[BlackLantern]

LA has had 2 chances with the NFL...**** 'em....

TD Manningham...yay

[Franklin Richards]

I liked the idea of them moving to San Antonio better.



:thing: :doom: :thing:

[Kane52630]

Manning to Manning TD

[Dude101]

Saints were moving to LA?.....Would of been nice for LA fans to have a Super Bowl contending team.
They were never gonna move to la maybe San Antonio.

[Mastodon123]

The season starts in two weeks.

I know

Shaq will probably retire, and LeBron will probably sign with another team when the seasons is over.

[Dr. Evil]

Saints were moving to LA?.....Would of been nice for LA fans to have a Super Bowl contending team.

They were like one of 8 teams rumored. Along with Raiders, Chargers, Rams, Vikings, Bills, Jags, 49ers. As soon as the Dome was renovated though, they were no longer under consideration. The other teams remain as legit contenders to move to Los Angeles.

[Ace of Knaves]

Actually were still pretty good team without him but we ain't going nowhere without him.

Damn these guys just wont stay down.

But even as a Falcon fan I wouldn't want Brees to get injured, you want the best players playing in the league, Brees is one of those.

[Immortalfire]

I never want to see anyone get hurt.

[Dude101]

I liked the idea of them moving to San Antonio better.



:thing: :doom: :thing:The Saints couldn't have moved after Katrina, to much mess. Lucky we gave them what they wanted and now they here till at least 2020.

[Ace of Knaves]

Well I wouldn't mind seeing Ray Lewis getting smashed, he's a **** I think.

[Dr. Evil]

:wow: at Drew Brees

[Immortalfire]

LA has had 2 chances with the NFL

3. The Chargers were once there.

[Dr. Evil]

3. The Chargers were once there.

Yep. Back when they were owned by the Grandfather of Paris Hilton.

[Fresh Prince]

They were like one of 8 teams rumored. Along with Raiders, Chargers, Rams, Vikings, Bills, Jags, 49ers. As soon as the Dome was renovated though, they were no longer under consideration. The other teams remain as legit contenders to move to Los Angeles.

49ers have to much history in San Fran so they have to stay their......Chargers and Raiders could move back their....But do LA fans want the Raiders lol....Nobody wants the Rams either and Minnestoa be nice for LA fans they get a SB contender....Bills and Jags I doubt they want them too.

[Immortalfire]

They were like one of 8 teams rumored. Along with Raiders, Chargers, Rams, Vikings, Bills, Jags, 49ers. As soon as the Dome was renovated though, they were no longer under consideration. The other teams remain as legit contenders to move to Los Angeles.

There's gotta be a stadium there, first.

[Fresh Prince]

Yep. Back when they were owned by the Grandfather of Paris Hilton.

Seriously....

[Ace of Knaves]

****ing hell Brees should go for the record. 250 yards in the first half?!?! What the hell is the Giants D doing?

[Dude101]

Well I wouldn't mind seeing Ray Lewis getting smashed, he's a **** I think.
And a murderer.

[Dr. Evil]

Holy crap....Fox just showed a graphic.....15 straight completions for Brees.

[Fresh Prince]

There's gotta be a stadium there, first.

Why can't they use the Coliseuim?(spelling).

[NewYorkSpider]

Has anyone told Jacksonville they're playing St. Louis?

[BlackLantern]

the Giants being 5-1 isnt bad...still in first place in the division and this is one of the better teams the Giants will play this year till the Falcons game

[Dr. Evil]

Why can't they use the Coliseuim?(spelling).

Too old.

There are plans for a stadium in the City of Industry, a Los Angeles suburb.

[Ace of Knaves]

And a murderer.

Exactly.

[BlackLantern]

Why can't they use the Coliseuim?(spelling).

because its a hunk of **** right near the ghetto

[Dr. Evil]

Has anyone told Jacksonville they're playing St. Louis?

No they have not. They did not get the memo.

And if they did get a memo, it probably has something to do with putting a cover letter on all TPS reports.

[Immortalfire]

Why can't they use the Coliseuim?(spelling).

Because it's an ancient piece of junk.

[Kane52630]

damn that was scary

[Ace of Knaves]

Did you keep them out?

[Immortalfire]

Green Bay is whoopin Detroit

[Fresh Prince]

the Giants being 5-1 isnt bad...still in first place in the division and this is one of the better teams the Giants will play this year till the Falcons game

Eagles says hi......Also after we beat Oakland and Washington we will be 5-1...And if we beat you guys then 6-1...And we might be in first place then.

[Fresh Prince]

because its a hunk of **** right near the ghetto

Its near South Central?

[BlackLantern]

Exactly.

***** the same *******s who like to crap on ray lewis are the same *******s who support Vick...but they forget that one was acquitted in a court of law (Lewis) and one was convicted in a federal court (Vick)

[Dude101]

Its near South Central?
Yes

The Giants are getting killed the score doesn't even reflect the game right now I mean they cant stop this offense.

[SuperJediHero]

OMG the Dolphins to face this ALMIGHTY Saints team next week!!!

[Ace of Knaves]

Doesn't mean he didn't do it. A key witness pulled out at the 11th hour. To think that isn't fishy is being EXTREMELY naive.

OJ Simpson got acquitted. Need I say any more?

[Immortalfire]

Please don't get into a big chat on legal matters in here.

[Ace of Knaves]

Na Fire, I ain't. I just find it silly when people blindly believe the law or the establishment.

[Dr. Evil]

Skins bench Jason Campbell...103 year old Todd Collins takes over

[SuperJediHero]

^ I agree (DON'T discuss Legal crap in a NFL thread!)

Hopefully Dolphins's Wildcat Offense will Dominate the Saints! :D

[Poeman]

Lets beat us some Bills today Jets. We need to go 5-2 for that rematch against the dolphins in 3 weeks.
Only positive thing for the Jets right now is they are still in 1st place

[Immortalfire]

Na Fire, I ain't. I just find it silly when people blindly believe the law or the establishment.

No harm done. I just said that to avoid any problems :yay:

[Fresh Prince]

^ I agree (DON'T discuss Legal crap in a NFL thread!)

Hopefully Dolphins's Wildcat Offense will Dominate the Saints! :D

Sike! Looks like Saints will win that game aswell and go 6-0.

[StorminNorman]

Green Bay is whoopin Detroit

Lions aren't yet good enough to compete without their two best players.

[Dr. Evil]

Lets beat us some Bills today Jets. We need to go 5-2 for that rematch against the dolphins in 3 weeks.
Only positive thing for the Jets right now is they are still in 1st place

Surprised that Mount Owens hasn't erupted yet

[Kane52630]

COME ON GIANTS!!!
This game needs one of these (the tv part)

FzNh0O0GMxw

[Fresh Prince]

Surprised that Mount Owens hasn't erupted yet

No need too. He has 2 more months left in his season with only a 1 year contract.....He playing it safe to leave Bills to go to a contender next season....Smart on his behalf.