2009 NFL Thread

[Caped Crusader]

I think corey smith & marquis cooper are dead.. hoping for a miracle

[Ironfan72]

:hehe:


I bet the Bungles fan don't even know the's gone. They just don't care :csad:

I'm a huge "Bengals" fan and as I said 1 post above your post, as a fan he would be missed, he was clutch for Cincy, when they needed a first down they threw to TJ, not Chad, Seattle got a very good receiver, IMO.

[Silver Knight]

Kurt Warner-QB-Cardinals Mar. 2 - 11:41 pm et

NFL Network reports that the Cardinals have increased their contract offer to free agent Kurt Warner from $20 million to $23 million over two years.
Warner's Monday trip to San Francisco has GM Rod Graves worried. The new offer isn't what Warner wants, but shows Graves is willing to budge despite ESPN's report to the contrary. The 49ers did let Warner leave, meaning the proposal didn't blow him out of the water. Warner is probably going to re-sign.

'Bout what I expected.
Dam, wanted him to sign with the 9ers.

[Excel]

I bet San Frans counter offer is absurd...they clearly went low because they thought they had no competition.

[kane9321]

I see San Fran winning it next year, Warner or no Warner. I like that guy Hill a lot.

Damned straight..I do not want warner(unless aquan bolden comes with him)..we have a QB SHAWN HILL. This whole warner to the 9ers doesnt make sense

[Dr. Evil]

Jake Grove to Fins
Jim Leonhard to Jets

[StorminNorman]

There is reportedly a "rumor" flying around that has the Browns sending Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers for Jay Cutler and a third-round pick.
Another has Cleveland swapping Braylon Edwards for Mathias Kiwanuka, which would leave the Browns with Syndric Steptoe, Donte' Stallworth, and Martin Rucker as their top three pass catchers. The Cutler-Quinn deal seems more feasible, but the Cleveland Plain Dealer says there are "no legs to either rumor."

[Go Web Go!]

Where's he going? If Mike Brown wouldn't let him walk last year he isn't going to let him go this year. Chad is a Bengal for life. There is nothing he can do about it.

I don't know how easy it's going to be to move him, so you just may be right unless they slash him from the roster somehow. The Bengals do look pretty stupid now, though, for not taking the Skins up on their offer of 2 picks of 85.

[Immortalfire]

Mike Brown's incompetence as an owner continues to amaze.

[Alex The Great]

Kurt Warner-QB-Cardinals Mar. 2 - 11:41 pm et

NFL Network reports that the Cardinals have increased their contract offer to free agent Kurt Warner from $20 million to $23 million over two years.
Warner's Monday trip to San Francisco has GM Rod Graves worried. The new offer isn't what Warner wants, but shows Graves is willing to budge despite ESPN's report to the contrary. The 49ers did let Warner leave, meaning the proposal didn't blow him out of the water. Warner is probably going to re-sign.

'Bout what I expected.
If he doesn't re-sighn, Arizona's ****ed :lips:

I'm a huge "Bengals" fan and as I said 1 post above your post, as a fan he would be missed, he was clutch for Cincy, when they needed a first down they threw to TJ, not Chad, Seattle got a very good receiver, IMO.
Good for you, sticking witht the team. You don't meet poeple like that nowadays :o

[Mister J]

Jake Grove to Fins
Jim Leonhard to Jets
It's not Jason Brown, but I'll take it. Miami needed to upgrade over Satele.

Rough offseason for Baltimore.

[Excel]

There is reportedly a "rumor" flying around that has the Browns sending Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers for Jay Cutler and a third-round pick.

I...no...just no. Cutler isnt worth 2 1st round talents, if hews throwing to the Browns wo's instead of Broncos his 3s will drop even lower. Cutler needs to stop thinking he is Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. I dont care how hard he throws the ball, McD needs to do what Belichick would do:

Sit his ass down infront of the entire team, and bark right into his face " I dont give a **** how many yards you threw for. You also threw 18 interceptions. Your qb rating has dropped every season, not only have you never made it to the playoffs, you were the biggest reason we blew our division lead last year. Your in no bloody position to demand a trade" and give him a pacifier, and then tell him to join his team when he is ready.

[Excel]

He's not a top free agent, he's just in a very thin free agent WR class. He's the typical speed guy who cant catch a cold. I'd be very afraid to have him as my #1 WR. Him and Justin Gage dont instill a world of confidence in me.

I wont deny that, but he should be able to get close to 50 recs on his mostly deep route when he isnt playing behind Holmes or Ward.

[wiegeabo]

Coast Guard calls off search at sundown

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/03/florida.missing.boaters/index.html

[Dark Donnie]

Sounds like Warner will be re-signed by the Weekend


Coast Guard calls off search at sundown

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/03/florida.missing.boaters/index.html

Damn...I had hope when they found the one guy :(

[DChero]

I wont deny that, but he should be able to get close to 50 recs on his mostly deep route when he isnt playing behind Holmes or Ward.

I'm not saying he's terrible or anything like that, I just don't see him as a go-to-guy. 50 receptions seems a little steep to me, with him at the X spot his routes may seem predictable. If he steps up his possession game then he could develop into more of a threat.

900 yards seems pretty tough as well with their running game. The biggest number I see him hitting is 8 or 9 touchdowns. I think that's realistic because of Chris Brown's end-zone presence.

I really expect Gage to take the X position though, mainly because he's been more impressive (to me) in running a variety of routes. With Collins projected to start this year, Gage seems like the strongest receiving option, outside of a certain tight end and the fastest man in the league.

[Caped Crusader]

This sucks. I hope a miracle happens within the hour

[Immortalfire]

Coast Guard calls off search at sundown

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/03/florida.missing.boaters/index.html

Man :csad:

[StorminNorman]

I...no...just no. Cutler isnt worth 2 1st round talents, if hews throwing to the Browns wo's instead of Broncos his 3s will drop even lower. Cutler needs to stop thinking he is Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. I dont care how hard he throws the ball, McD needs to do what Belichick would do:

Sit his ass down infront of the entire team, and bark right into his face " I dont give a **** how many yards you threw for. You also threw 18 interceptions. Your qb rating has dropped every season, not only have you never made it to the playoffs, you were the biggest reason we blew our division lead last year. Your in no bloody position to demand a trade" and give him a pacifier, and then tell him to join his team when he is ready.

That's not what Belicheck could do because that would be the best way to make sure your stint in Denver lasts one year. Cutler has more standing in that locker room than Josh McDaniels. You do that to Cutler and you are a terrible head football coach - its one thing to be tough, but to claim that Cutler "was the biggest reason they blew their lead" is not only inaccurate, but its destructive to a team.

Also, if I was Cleveland I would make that trade only if you are not sold on Brady Quinn. Rodgers is already a malcontent and I think Cutler is close to being an elite QB in this league.

[Dr. Evil]

Bengals re-sign Cedric Benson

[Holiday]

John Clayton just reported on Sportscenter that Jay Cutler will not be traded by the Broncos and that Cutler and McDaniels will meet next week. Denver released the news in a statement.

[Alex The Great]

There is reportedly a "rumor" flying around that has the Browns sending Brady Quinn and Shaun Rogers for Jay Cutler and a third-round pick.
Another has Cleveland swapping Braylon Edwards for Mathias Kiwanuka, which would leave the Browns with Syndric Steptoe, Donte' Stallworth, and Martin Rucker as their top three pass catchers. The Cutler-Quinn deal seems more feasible, but the Cleveland Plain Dealer says there are "no legs to either rumor."
Denver will never get rid of cutler. He's their future.

[Caped Crusader]

Thought this was pretty funny.. you'll laugh too Donnie :hehe:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_16noOQI-C9g/SWJ2lxKKIuI/AAAAAAAADIo/ft3d3zRf0-k/s400/ihop.jpg

[NewYorkSpider]

:lmao:

[Go Web Go!]

Haha

[Silver Knight]

Coast Guard calls off search at sundown

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/03/florida.missing.boaters/index.html
:csad: How can they find one man not not the other three?

[danielisthor]

The Gulf of Mexico is a large area. It's a large shark invested area. Not saying they were eaten or anything. They drifted away from the boat, the one they found was with the boat.

[Excel]

Terrible news about those players, R.I.P.

That's not what Belicheck could do because that would be the best way to make sure your stint in Denver lasts one year. Cutler has more standing in that locker room than Josh McDaniels. You do that to Cutler and you are a terrible head football coach - its one thing to be tough, but to claim that Cutler "was the biggest reason they blew their lead" is not only inaccurate, but its destructive to a team.

Tell that to Mike Singletary. Please. With these reports of Cutler demanding a trade, either before or after the incident, yet whining to the public, how do you think his team mates feel about him? Its ok for them to think about trading anybody else, but not Jay Cutler, because he is the team, right? :whatever:

He is acting a spoiled brat; somebody who thinks hes untouchable. If McDaniels is going to take control of that underpreforming team, he'll have to do with Shanahan didnt do, and thats not kiss ass.

Cutler has more standing in the locker room than the HEAD COACH? :hehe: Maybe in Brandon Marshalls mind.

Facts are facts. Cutler played like crap as they blew their division lead; Im sure there are some people in that locker room who already felt that way but probably turned the other cheek because of who he is and that happens on every team; they let it because hes the future of the organization in their eyes. The problem is, that player who stunk it up as your team blew its playoff berth is not supposed to be able to think hes untouchable, and even if he does think that, he cannto publically cry about it. Period. Theres nothing else to it. You keep it INTERNAL. When things get brought outside the organization, EVERYBODY involved loses respect for the person who does that.

You wanna talk standing in the lock room, McDaniels has accomplished a lot more than Cutler has, McD is the head coach, and Cutler is acting like a massive baby and embarassing the organization. I wont try to say who has more standing in the lr, but its not hard to fathom that peoples feelings for Cutler may have changed. He needs to take a lesson from Donovan McNabb and stfu.

McDaniels will keep his job through winning, not by catering to his immature, special needs quarterback, no matter how talented he is. And McD will win when his players figure out they arent above the team, and play like one.

That deal with them getting Cassel & #1 overall woulda been much better for the team anyway.

[Alex The Great]

Thought this was pretty funny.. you'll laugh too Donnie :hehe:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_16noOQI-C9g/SWJ2lxKKIuI/AAAAAAAADIo/ft3d3zRf0-k/s400/ihop.jpg

:lmao:

[The Incredible Hulk]

Terrible news about those players, R.I.P.



Tell that to Mike Singletary. Please. With these reports of Cutler demanding a trade, either before or after the incident, yet whining to the public, how do you think his team mates feel about him? Its ok for them to think about trading anybody else, but not Jay Cutler, because he is the team, right? :whatever:

He is acting a spoiled brat; somebody who thinks hes untouchable. If McDaniels is going to take control of that underpreforming team, he'll have to do with Shanahan didnt do, and thats not kiss ass.

Cutler has more standing in the locker room than the HEAD COACH? :hehe: Maybe in Brandon Marshalls mind.

Facts are facts. Cutler played like crap as they blew their division lead; Im sure there are some people in that locker room who already felt that way but probably turned the other cheek because of who he is and that happens on every team; they let it because hes the future of the organization in their eyes. The problem is, that player who stunk it up as your team blew its playoff berth is not supposed to be able to think hes untouchable, and even if he does think that, he cannto publically cry about it. Period. Theres nothing else to it. You keep it INTERNAL. When things get brought outside the organization, EVERYBODY involved loses respect for the person who does that.

You wanna talk standing in the lock room, McDaniels has accomplished a lot more than Cutler has, McD is the head coach, and Cutler is acting like a massive baby and embarassing the organization. I wont try to say who has more standing in the lr, but its not hard to fathom that peoples feelings for Cutler may have changed. He needs to take a lesson from Donovan McNabb and stfu.

McDaniels will keep his job through winning, not by catering to his immature, special needs quarterback, no matter how talented he is. And McD will win when his players figure out they arent above the team, and play like one.

That deal with them getting Cassel & #1 overall woulda been much better for the team anyway.

McDaniels is a first year head coach who hasnt accomplished anything. He was the Patriots offensive coordinator for 1 or 2 years, big deal. Every Patriots assistant that got hired for a head coaching job has been canned within the first two years of the job. Cutler is a Pro Bowl QB, of course he's going to have more standing with the team than McDaniels. You dont come in as the first year guy and then try to trade the franchise QB under his nose. Of course Cutler is gonna be pissed off especailly since he had assurances from him earlier on and was buying into the new coaches offense. This is the NFL, stuff like this happens all the time, this is nothing new.

[Excel]

I know its not knew, my point was he could have handled it a lot better. This is a good time for McDaniels to take control of the team.

[danielisthor]

I think that Denver went through rb's like a 12pack in a dorm room had more to do with Denver failing last year than Cutler's play. He didn't play all that great, but when you're picking up a new rb every other week probably didn't help him all that well.

[Excel]

Every rb succeeded though...their running game wasnt the prob on o, it was cutler finding defenders hands instead of the end zone.

[Dr. Evil]

Bills sign CB Drayton Florence

[DChero]

Every rb succeeded though...their running game wasnt the prob on o, it was cutler finding defenders hands instead of the end zone.
Cutler honestly wasn't great, but there were more issues than just his play.

When he has to throw 616 times in a season it isn't because their defense has a handle on anything. Let's assume he's on a team with a stronger, not even the top two defense. If his offense is combined with say the Giants or Titans D, they make the playoffs and possibly win a playoff game. Eli Manning only had to throw 479 times, they still bombed out at the end of the year, but those happen to produce better field position as well as ball control.

Let's be honest, an offense with a 29th ranked D, giving up 375 yards per game, isn't going to produce much. I don't think Cutler is great, he certainly needs to mature :cwink:, but he didn't ruin their run.

McDaniels might need to examine his team a little more before he makes his premature decisions. There were some great moves made to improve not only the defense, but the running game, passing game, and special teams. This wasn't one of those, it was just a new coach getting too trigger-happy.

[Dark Donnie]

Thought this was pretty funny.. you'll laugh too Donnie :hehe:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_16noOQI-C9g/SWJ2lxKKIuI/AAAAAAAADIo/ft3d3zRf0-k/s400/ihop.jpg

Haha that is pretty good


I liked this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/ncfom.jpg

[Caped Crusader]

Haha that is pretty good


I liked this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/ncfom.jpg

:funny:

It's gonna be weird not seeing Dawk play against the Giants in Eagle green

[Silver Knight]

Any news about the players lost at sea?

[Dark Donnie]

Your boy Excel

Laurence Maroney-RB-Patriots Mar. 4 - 11:33 am et

Patriots beat writer Mike Reiss believes the Fred Taylor signing means the Patriots aren't "counting on" Laurence Maroney for a significant role in 2009.

According to Reiss, the Pats want to believe in Maroney, but after three years of injuries they're obligated to make contingency plans. Maroney will have to prove he can healthy and stop dancing at the line of scrimmage to regain a significant backfield role.
Source: Boston Globe

[BlackLantern]

Any news about the players lost at sea?

Sadly no...the Coast Guard has called off the search after searching for 3 days in a 200 plus mile area.....and even additional searching done after one of the FSU players was found clinging to the boat....the only other items found were a life preserver and a cooler

[Dr. Evil]

Denver signs Lamont Jordan

[Dr. Evil]

Your boy Excel


Source: Boston Globe

Taylor and Maroney will probably be injured again and they will go with Kevin Faulk, Benjarvis Green-Ellis and Sammy Morris.

[Dr. Evil]

In a surprising move, Tampa Bay signs K Mike Nugent

[The Incredible Hulk]

Denver signs Lamont Jordan

is the Broncos philosophy for free agency that if you throw enough crap against a wall some it is bound to stick?

[Immortalfire]

Falcons have been amazingly quiet during FA...wonder what Dimitroff has cooking.

[Go Web Go!]

Kurt Warner gets a 2 year deal from the Red Birds

[KALEL114]

Yep. $23 million, including $19 million guaranteed.

[Raiden]

Yep. $23 million, including $19 million guaranteed.

Looks like his trip to San Fran finally made Cardinals nervous enough to offer him what he wanted.

[NewYorkSpider]

Your boy Excel


Source: Boston Globe


You just had to post that didn't you? :p Now we're gonna get a mile long post from Excel saying how Maroney is gonna put up MVP numbers.

[Erzengel]

Has he said 16-0 yet? :huh:

[Mister J]

Laverneus Coles signs with Cincinnati; 4Y/28M. :dry:

I guess chasing that SB ring just isn't that important to some people. Can't really blame him. Take the money. Everything else is up for grabs.
Looks like his trip to San Fran finally made Cardinals
nervous enough to offer him what he wanted.
I think he just wanted to get a deal done. In the beginning he wanted 2 years @ 14-16M. I'm sure 19M guaranteed helps matters though.

I've heard it rumored that Kurt also offered to knock an additional 1M per year if they sign Boldin to an extension.

[Erzengel]

Looks like Jets will be gearing up for a 41 to a possible 45 year SuperBowl III Anniversary Celebration.

[Kaiser]

Laverneus Coles signs with Cincinnati; 4Y/28M. :dry:

I guess chasing that SB ring just isn't that important to some people. Can't really blame him. Take the money. Everything else is up for grabs.

I think he just wanted to get a deal done. In the beginning he wanted 2 years @ 14-16M. I'm sure 19M guaranteed helps matters though.

I've heard it rumored that Kurt also offered to knock an additional 1M per year if they sign Boldin to an extension.

So unless a dude signs with the Steelers, the Pats, or the Colts he doesn't want to contend for a Superbowl?

[Go Web Go!]

Ravens & Ray Lewis agree to deal. No terms yet.

[BlackLantern]

So unless a dude signs with the Steelers, the Pats, or the Colts he doesn't want to contend for a Superbowl?

at least in the AFC.....yes....Cincinnati isn't winning a Super Bowl within the next 10 years

[StorminNorman]

Tell that to Mike Singletary.

Completely different situation. Mike Singletary doesn't have the luxury of having a franchise QB to chew out, so he can do whatever he wants with his team. Also Mike Singletary has respect in any locker room he walks into because he is Mike Singletary: one of the best, most intense players to EVER play the game. Josh McDaniels is a new, young head coach whose known only for having success with the Patriots.

Please. With these reports of Cutler demanding a trade, either before or after the incident, yet whining to the public, how do you think his team mates feel about him? Its ok for them to think about trading anybody else, but not Jay Cutler, because he is the team, right? :whatever:

Just because Peter King says that Cutler was demanding a trade doesn't mean that Cutler ever demanded a trade. Peter King has absolutely no credibility. Also Cutler has never demanded be traded, all his AGENT has asked if that he IS being put on the trade table by McDaniels, then his Agent wanted to be able to locate his own trades.

Also yes, its okay for the Broncos to trade anyone else because Jay Cutler is a QB. You can trade anyone on the Colts...but Peyton Manning. You can trade anyone on the Falcons...but Matt Ryan. You can trade anyone on the Saints...but Drew Breese. You don't trade your only franchise QB. Period. Especially when he is 25 and went to the Pro Bowl in his second year as a starter.

He is acting a spoiled brat; somebody who thinks hes untouchable. If McDaniels is going to take control of that underpreforming team, he'll have to do with Shanahan didnt do, and thats not kiss ass.

There is a difference between kissing ass and being a counter productive dick.

Cutler has more standing in the locker room than the HEAD COACH? :hehe: Maybe in Brandon Marshalls mind.

Today? Absolutely he does. Josh McDaniels hasn't proven a damn thing to any Broncos player yet.

Facts are facts. Cutler played like crap as they blew their division lead; Im sure there are some people in that locker room who already felt that way but probably turned the other cheek because of who he is and that happens on every team; they let it because hes the future of the organization in their eyes. The problem is, that player who stunk it up as your team blew its playoff berth is not supposed to be able to think hes untouchable, and even if he does think that, he cannto publically cry about it. Period. Theres nothing else to it. You keep it INTERNAL. When things get brought outside the organization, EVERYBODY involved loses respect for the person who does that.

The Broncos lost their division not because of Cutler - but because had no defense.

He never publically cried about! He has never publically demanded to be traded! He said he was upset about being made a tradeing pawn BEHIND HIS BACK. And he has all the right in the world to be upset about it.

You wanna talk standing in the lock room, McDaniels has accomplished a lot more than Cutler has, McD is the head coach, and Cutler is acting like a massive baby and embarassing the organization. I wont try to say who has more standing in the lr, but its not hard to fathom that peoples feelings for Cutler may have changed. He needs to take a lesson from Donovan McNabb and stfu.

Name one accomplishment Josh McDaniels has had as a Head Coach?

Also bringing up McNabb as an example of how to keep things private is deliciously ironic since just this year his people leaked details to the media about his demands with the Eagles brass.

McDaniels will keep his job through winning, not by catering to his immature, special needs quarterback, no matter how talented he is. And McD will win when his players figure out they arent above the team, and play like one.

But he hasn't won yet!

That deal with them getting Cassel & #1 overall woulda been much better for the team anyway.

There was never a chance of them getting Cassel and the number one overall pick. That was never on the table in any way. :huh:

Yep. $23 million, including $19 million guaranteed.

Damn good contract for Warner.

[BlackLantern]

I think Cutler has a right to be pissed....if the Broncos were shoppping him, they should have let him know....and then to deny it after the spot has been blown just reeks of amateur hour

[KALEL114]

Edit: Never mind.

[Excel]

Your boy Excel


Source: Boston Globe

Reiss is fulla****. McDaniels viewed the running game as a committee and has publically stated he hates the idea of a feature back. They havent named the offensive coordinator yet, but Lomos lack of reps last year when he was healthy was due to that. Maroney broke his shoulder hin 1st q of week 2 so we only have 1 1/4 games to go on, but he only got 10 carries in week 2 (Morris got 10 as well, Jordan got 2). It worked fine as both averaged over 5 a carry...but people dont realize the Pats dont evaluate rbs based on #'s; they go of film and what they think the rbs should have gotten...i.e. in week 1 of this year-I only know these specific carries because thats what the article menioned them-I think it was the 3rd carry of this season when Maroney got a 9 yard gain, but he had an enormous hole down the sideline, but he got tripped up in the middle of his cuit (by Bernard Pollard of all people) and landed upside down and instead of long touchdown it was just 9 yards. The reasoning was as their outside runner, Maroney *should* have been able make him miss. Exit Maroney from the game (and, incidentally, Brady for the season). But at the same time, Maroney latter had a big run for maybe 20 yards on a play where the backfield was blown up, but he made the defender miss with a beautiful cut and got a ton of yards he wasnt supposed to be able to get.

Its weird reasoning, but basically Maroney wont ever be "the guy" in NE simply because they put guys based on the situation and evaluate them on things other than #'s. Maybe fo rhis sick he ought to gtfo in 2 years and try to be the man somewhere else where hell get the ball like hes the man.

Maroney is pretty much back to where he was as a rookie, when he had something to prove, could be the best thing for him. Besides, Fred Taylor isnt exactly the most reliable back up seeing as he hasnt gone a complete season in 5 years. One of the 3-Maroney, Morris, or Taylor-will have something bothering them at all times, so the move is fine with me. A healthy Maroney is still easily the most dynamic of the Pats backfield, so to think they arent going to use him is foolish, almost as foolish as drafting him in a fantasy league.

[StorminNorman]

I think Cutler has a right to be pissed....if the Broncos were shoppping him, they should have let him know....and then to deny it after the spot has been blown just reeks of amateur hour

I think that was his biggest problem - Cutler had been in and out of Broncos HQ and had met with McDaniels and the GM face to face and none of them said anything.

[Excel]

Completely different situation. Mike Singletary doesn't have the luxury of having a franchise QB to chew out, so he can do whatever he wants with his team. Also Mike Singletary has respect in any locker room he walks into because he is Mike Singletary: one of the best, most intense players to EVER play the game. Josh McDaniels is a new, young head coach whose known only for having success with the Patriots.



Just because Peter King says that Cutler was demanding a trade doesn't mean that Cutler ever demanded a trade. Peter King has absolutely no credibility. Also Cutler has never demanded be traded, all his AGENT has asked if that he IS being put on the trade table by McDaniels, then his Agent wanted to be able to locate his own trades.

Also yes, its okay for the Broncos to trade anyone else because Jay Cutler is a QB. You can trade anyone on the Colts...but Peyton Manning. You can trade anyone on the Falcons...but Matt Ryan. You can trade anyone on the Saints...but Drew Breese. You don't trade your only franchise QB. Period. Especially when he is 25 and went to the Pro Bowl in his second year as a starter.



There is a difference between kissing ass and being a counter productive dick.



Today? Absolutely he does. Josh McDaniels hasn't proven a damn thing to any Broncos player yet.



The Broncos lost their division not because of Cutler - but because had no defense.

He never publically cried about! He has never publically demanded to be traded! He said he was upset about being made a tradeing pawn BEHIND HIS BACK. And he has all the right in the world to be upset about it.

Name one accomplishment Josh McDaniels has had as a Head Coach?

Also bringing up McNabb as an example of how to keep things private is deliciously ironic since just this year his people leaked details to the media about his demands with the Eagles brass.

But he hasn't won yet!

There was never a chance of them getting Cassel and the number one overall pick. That was never on the table in any way.

You missed the entire point of my post, literally. No player is ever bigger than head coach, period. Thats the end of the story. For Cutler to go to the media crying about possibly being traded is a joke, he is not bigger than anybody on that team and hes been like this for a while, somebody needs to tell him whats good and give him a humbling.

[Cmill216]

So unless a dude signs with the Steelers, the Pats, or the Colts he doesn't want to contend for a Superbowl?

There's a big difference between signing with a competitive team like, say, Tampa Bay or Seattle or Jacksonville, versus signing with the Bengals.

The Bengals have shown absolutely no desire or interest in putting together a winning club. That starts with not firing a head coach who hasn't won a single playoff game in his 5-6 year stint there, and that ends with letting your best offensive weapons like Houshmanzazagagodzilla go.

[StorminNorman]

You missed the entire point of my post, literally. No player is ever bigger than head coach, period. Thats the end of the story. For Cutler to go to the media crying about possibly being traded is a joke, he is not bigger than anybody on that team and hes been like this for a while, somebody needs to tell him whats good and give him a humbling.

That's simply not true. It's much easier to replace a head coach than it is replace a franchise QB.

[Excel]

If any teams wants to go anywhere, no player can be bigger than the head coach. Noone. When that happens you get cases like the one in Dallas this past season.

[StorminNorman]

If any teams wants to go anywhere, no player can be bigger than the head coach. Noone. When that happens you get cases like the one in Dallas this past season.

Teams have more financially invested in a QB than they ever will a coach. That's never going to change. A good coach makes a strong relationship with their QB so the issue is never raised - a bad coach is one that severs that relationship. How McDaniels deals with an upset Cutler is his first test as a head coach, if he fails to reconcile he will not last. Period.

[Kaiser]

There's a big difference between signing with a competitive team like, say, Tampa Bay or Seattle or Jacksonville, versus signing with the Bengals.

The Bengals have shown absolutely no desire or interest in putting together a winning club. That starts with not firing a head coach who hasn't won a single playoff game in his 5-6 year stint there, and that ends with letting your best offensive weapons like Houshmanzazagagodzilla go.

:funny::lmao:

Stick with what you know.... before Marvin Lewis the Bengals had like 10+ years of losing.... under Marvin they won the division and went to the playoffs.... that hasn't been done since like 1990. Also, they have had 2 losing seasons. 7-9 the year before last and 4 and 12 this year (Franchise QB was out all but 4 games and Chad had shoulder problems that severely limited his play.). There is really no need to fire him.

If Carson and Chad are healthy then the Bengals have a great chance of winning the division or winning a wild card birth.

TJ is a old and broken wide receiver.... I don't think he has played a full season while in Cincy. He is always hurt.... He is up there in age. And he wanted to much money. The Bengals did the right thing by letting him go.

[Dr. Evil]

Ravens replace Jason Brown with Matt Birk from Minnesota.
JJ Arrington to Denver finalized

[Cmill216]

:funny::lmao:

I'm baffeled as to how you think Jacksonville being a competitive team is somehow a laughable matter, but I'll let that one slide.

In six seasons with the Bengals, Lewis has gone above .500 only once. Lewis was brought in to build up a defense to go with the burgeoning offense led by Palmer and Johnson. But in his time with Cincinatti, Lewis's defenses have ranked: 28th, 19th, 28th, 30th, 27th, and 12th.

He's done absolutely nothing with that team, and he's virutally wasted some magnificent years by Palmer, Johnson, and Housh. The fact he still has a job is simply stunning. And the fact that anyone would want to play for that mess is pretty telling if you ask me.

[Excel]

Lewis is a good guy but he has to go. No doubt.

[Mister J]

So unless a dude signs with the Steelers, the Pats, or the Colts he doesn't want to contend for a Superbowl?
That's not what I said at all. There are a number of teams a FA could sign with and even remotely harbor aspirations of contention. The Bengals ain't one of them. Everyone wants to win, but you need to put yourself in the proper environment, which, at times, can mean sacrifice the moolah. Some people choose to just get paid. This is a case of the latter.

Cinci has had one winning season since 1991. One. There was some promise with the 2005 season, but that was followed up with three same of the same old, same old.

Contending for a spot on the police blotter?; Maybe. A Super Bowl? Nah, not really.

[Johnny Drama]

I'm baffeled as to how you think Jacksonville being a competitive team is somehow a laughable matter, but I'll let that one slide.

In six seasons with the Bengals, Lewis has gone above .500 only once. Lewis was brought in to build up a defense to go with the burgeoning offense led by Palmer and Johnson. But in his time with Cincinatti, Lewis's defenses have ranked: 28th, 19th, 28th, 30th, 27th, and 12th.

He's done absolutely nothing with that team, and he's virutally wasted some magnificent years by Palmer, Johnson, and Housh. The fact he still has a job is simply stunning. And the fact that anyone would want to play for that mess is pretty telling if you ask me.


Jacksonville is definitley a competitive team, allthough with Taylor gone I am very concerned with there run game.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are looking very good in terms of reconstructuring.
They trimmed they fat, they are getting hot young players (good call on D. Ward and K. Winslow) and all thats left is finding an adequate QB to to take full advantage of weapons like Antonio Bryant and Michael Clayton.

[Immortalfire]

Lions get Grady Jackson. He's fat...not just a big guy, but you can see his massive gut whenever he's on the line.

[Dr. Evil]

Saints sign CB Jabari Greer.

[Kaiser]

I'm baffeled as to how you think Jacksonville being a competitive team is somehow a laughable matter, but I'll let that one slide.

In six seasons with the Bengals, Lewis has gone above .500 only once. Lewis was brought in to build up a defense to go with the burgeoning offense led by Palmer and Johnson. But in his time with Cincinatti, Lewis's defenses have ranked: 28th, 19th, 28th, 30th, 27th, and 12th.

He's done absolutely nothing with that team, and he's virutally wasted some magnificent years by Palmer, Johnson, and Housh. The fact he still has a job is simply stunning. And the fact that anyone would want to play for that mess is pretty telling if you ask me.

Jacksonville lost 11 games last season.... that's not a contender.

I know the records dude. I'm a fan and a ticket holder. What you are failing to realize is that 8-8 in Cincinnati is as good as 9-7, 10-6 or 11-and 5. 8-8 is much better than our 2-14 season in 02 or our 6-10 season in 01. or our 4-12 season in 2000. This team has been below 500. for over a decade!!!!! Don't tell me the numbers. I know them. I lived through them. 8-8 is great! He doesn't and shouldn't be fired. He's won a division title and put them into the playoff.. something that hadn't been done sense 1990!!!! He nearly had them back in the playoff in 06 but Shayne Touching Graham missed the winning kick against the Stealers....

Lewis is fine. It's the Brown family that needs to go.

[Alex The Great]

:funny::lmao:

Stick with what you know.... before Marvin Lewis the Bengals had like 10+ years of losing.... under Marvin they won the division and went to the playoffs.... that hasn't been done since like 1990. Also, they have had 2 losing seasons. 7-9 the year before last and 4 and 12 this year (Franchise QB was out all but 4 games and Chad had shoulder problems that severely limited his play.). There is really no need to fire him.

If Carson and Chad are healthy then the Bengals have a great chance of winning the division or winning a wild card birth.

TJ is a old and broken wide receiver.... I don't think he has played a full season while in Cincy. He is always hurt.... He is up there in age. And he wanted to much money. The Bengals did the right thing by letting him go.
Did You NOT Watch the Jags 2 years ago? If it wasn't for Injuries last season they would hacve been a AFC Contender.

[Kaiser]

That's not what I said at all. There are a number of teams a FA could sign with and even remotely harbor aspirations of contention. The Bengals ain't one of them. Everyone wants to win, but you need to put yourself in the proper environment, which, at times, can mean sacrifice the moolah. Some people choose to just get paid. This is a case of the latter.

Cinci has had one winning season since 1991. One. There was some promise with the 2005 season, but that was followed up with three same of the same old, same old.

Contending for a spot on the police blotter?; Maybe. A Super Bowl? Nah, not really.

There has to be a interest from other teams.... a guy can't just pick a team and sign on.... Who else other than Cincinnati was interested? I'm guessing no one... or at least no one with a better shot of going to the SB than Cincinnati.

[Mister J]

He visited with Buffalo (allegedly had an offer extended) and was rumored to have interest in Miami. Neither will be heading up the list of favorites this year, but it's more Coles' pattern of action that puzzles me. He had his deal with the Jets restructured (leaving 6M on the table) so he could become a FA. I'm thinking he does this because he recognizes his career window is closing and wants to jump to a team better situated for a playoff push. Then, he signs with the Bengals? Other than pursuing another run at a big contract, I don't get it.

[Go Web Go!]

He'll definitely get his numbers as long as Palmer's in one piece. Maybe that had something to do with his move.

[Kaiser]

Did You NOT Watch the Jags 2 years ago? If it wasn't for Injuries last season they would hacve been a AFC Contender.


Did you not watch Cincinnati from 3 years ago... when they were a field goal away from their 2nd straight playoff birth? Cincinnati has had injuries and key losses.... probably more so than any other team in the league.

He visited with Buffalo (allegedly had an offer extended) and was rumored to have interest in Miami. Neither will be heading up the list of favorites this year, but it's more Coles' pattern of action that puzzles me. He had his deal with the Jets restructured (leaving 6M on the table) so he could become a FA. I'm thinking he does this because he recognizes his career window is closing and wants to jump to a team better situated for a playoff push. Then, he signs with the Bengals? Other than pursuing another run at a big contract, I don't get it.

Sounds to me like he didn't get offered much and he had to take what he got. Can't blame the guy or label him.

[BlackLantern]

Id prefer going to Buffalo as opposed to going to Cincinnati...easy access to Canda and can get to NYC quick-like if needed

[Kaiser]

Id prefer going to Buffalo as opposed to going to Cincinnati...easy access to Canda and can get to NYC quick-like if needed

He's done NYC. Maybe he just wants a change of scenery.

[Go Web Go!]

Id prefer going to Buffalo as opposed to going to Cincinnati...easy access to Canda and can get to NYC quick-like if needed

He could pretty much do this from where he just bolted.

[Alex The Great]

Did you not watch Cincinnati from 3 years ago... when they were a field goal away from their 2nd straight playoff birth? Cincinnati has had injuries and key losses.... probably more so than any other team in the league.

:facepalm

And what's with the sudden surge of bengals fans in this thread?

[Dr. Evil]

49ers sign Damon Huard

[Kaiser]

:facepalm

And what's with the sudden surge of bengals fans in this thread?

Some dude started banging on us.... :whatever:

Edit: scroll down to Cincinnati

http://www.covers.com/pageLoader/pageLoader.aspx?page=/data/nfl/injury/injuries.html&t=0

Injuries... Cincinnati has no stinkin' injuries :whatever:

[Dr. Evil]

Denver signs another one!

Chris Simms to backup Jay Cutler

[Alex The Great]

Some dude started banging on us.... :whatever:
:huh::dry::huh:

[Kaiser]

:huh::dry::huh:


:xmen: :xmen: :xmen:

[Dr. Evil]

How much cap room does Denver have?

[Ironfan72]

As a Bengals fan it is hard to defend the team over that last 2 decades or at least since Mike Brown took over ownership of the team after the passing of the great Paul Brown. But blaming Marvin Lewis for the teams woes is partially false, most of the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Mike Brown, who for over a decade believed he had the same ability to access talent like his father, he drafted such noteable busts like Ki- Jana Carter, Dan Wilkerson, Akili Smith, & David Klinger.
Mr. Brown refuses to hire a GM and has the smallest scouting staff in the league, instead he lets his coaching staff scout college talent, he is very cheap, but loyal, as evident by his 90's head coach's, Dave Shula (no head coaching experience), Bruce Coslet (former Bengals player & assisant coach), Dick LeBeau (former Bengal player & assisant coach).
Cincinnati was easliy the laughing stock of all of sports,not just the NFL, when coach Lewis was hired, if marked a dramatic change in Mr. Browns handling of the team, first order of business for Marvin was to change the culture of lossing, and bad business, his first draft pick was Carson Palmer, followed by Chad Johnson, TJ and Rudi Johnson all draft picks from Lewis' first year.
The team started to turn around, he again had a great draft with 2 first round picks in Odell Thurman and David Pollack, defenseman from Georgia, both were outstanding in there first year as players and it looked like the team had turned the corner, but Pollack broke his neck and his career ended, Thurman was suspended by the league and was cut.
Cincinnati's first playoff game in over a decade, started with a 40+ yard pass by Palmer to Chris Henry, on that same play Palmer suffered a near career ending injury and while the Bengals played well for 3 quarters they eventually gave in to a better team.
Will Cincinnati ever make it back to the Superbowl, I hope so, but the recent history says not anytime soon, not until Mike Brown changes alot more about the way the team operates and that begins with a good GM and Mr. Brown stepping back and letting that GM run the team.

[StorminNorman]

Jacksonville lost 11 games last season.... that's not a contender.

Jacksonville is also one year removed from the playoffs and have a talented team. Last year went horribly for them, but that happens occasionally. Especially when you start the season with one of your players getting shot so badly he had to lose his legs.

I know the records dude. I'm a fan and a ticket holder. What you are failing to realize is that 8-8 in Cincinnati is as good as 9-7, 10-6 or 11-and 5. 8-8 is much better than our 2-14 season in 02 or our 6-10 season in 01. or our 4-12 season in 2000. This team has been below 500. for over a decade!!!!! Don't tell me the numbers. I know them. I lived through them. 8-8 is great! He doesn't and shouldn't be fired. He's won a division title and put them into the playoff.. something that hadn't been done sense 1990!!!! He nearly had them back in the playoff in 06 but Shayne Touching Graham missed the winning kick against the Stealers....

Lewis is fine. It's the Brown family that needs to go.

If fans think 8-8 is as good as 11-5 then they are idiots. If they settle for 8-8 then they deserve to have a team that's not worth watching. Period.

Marvin Lewis did with a division title...in 2005. Since then he has done nothing regardless of the fact he has had great talent to work with offensively and a long enough tenure so that the defense that fails is the defense he personally is responsible for.

Marvin Lewis is a head coach that does not deserve his job. Period. The Bengals on his watch have underperformed and provided a new reason to laugh at the Bengals: their off the field hijinks.

[danielisthor]

Word is that the Dolphins never had any interest in Coles. The local and national media thought they did because of the close relationship between Coles and Pennington and the fact he was a former pick of Bill Parcell's.

The only receiver brought in so far has been DaCody F-A-G-G from FSU, who blew out his knee last year at the combine.


I can't believe tha DaCody's name was censored. IT'S HIS NAME FOR ODIN'S SAKE

[Kaiser]

As a Bengals fan it is hard to defend the team over that last 2 decades or at least since Mike Brown took over ownership of the team after the passing of the great Paul Brown. But blaming Marvin Lewis for the teams woes is partially false, most of the blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Mike Brown, who for over a decade believed he had the same ability to access talent like his father, he drafted such noteable busts like Ki- Jana Carter, Dan Wilkerson, Akili Smith, & David Klinger.
Mr. Brown refuses to hire a GM and has the smallest scouting staff in the league, instead he lets his coaching staff scout college talent, he is very cheap, but loyal, as evident by his 90's head coach's, Dave Shula (no head coaching experience), Bruce Coslet (former Bengals player & assisant coach), Dick LeBeau (former Bengal player & assisant coach).
Cincinnati was easliy the laughing stock of all of sports,not just the NFL, when coach Lewis was hired, if marked a dramatic change in Mr. Browns handling of the team, first order of business for Marvin was to change the culture of lossing, and bad business, his first draft pick was Carson Palmer, followed by Chad Johnson, TJ and Rudi Johnson all draft picks from Lewis' first year.
The team started to turn around, he again had a great draft with 2 first round picks in Odell Thurman and David Pollack, defenseman from Georgia, both were outstanding in there first year as players and it looked like the team had turned the corner, but Pollack broke his neck and his career ended, Thurman was suspended by the league and was cut.
Cincinnati's first playoff game in over a decade, started with a 40+ yard pass by Palmer to Chris Henry, on that same play Palmer suffered a near career ending injury and while the Bengals played well for 3 quarters they eventually gave in to a better team.
Will Cincinnati ever make it back to the Superbowl, I hope so, but the recent history says not anytime soon, not until Mike Brown changes alot more about the way the team operates and that begins with a good GM and Mr. Brown stepping back and letting that GM run the team.

False.... Lewis didn't draft TJ or Chad or Rudi

[Kaiser]

Jacksonville is also one year removed from the playoffs and have a talented team. Last year went horribly for them, but that happens occasionally. Especially when you start the season with one of your players getting shot so badly he had to lose his legs.



If fans think 8-8 is as good as 11-5 then they are idiots. If they settle for 8-8 then they deserve to have a team that's not worth watching. Period.

Marvin Lewis did with a division title...in 2005. Since then he has done nothing regardless of the fact he has had great talent to work with offensively and a long enough tenure so that the defense that fails is the defense he personally is responsible for.

Marvin Lewis is a head coach that does not deserve his job. Period. The Bengals on his watch have underperformed and provided a new reason to laugh at the Bengals: their off the field hijinks.

The fans aren't idiots... they've went through 12+ years of sub 500 teams... 8-8 is looking up. You don't know what it's like.... prolly because you're a bandwagon Steeler, Pats, or Colts fan :whatever:. Bottom line. You're an idiot. Period!

their off the field hijinks <---- Funny thing is.... teams like the Stealers and Chargers have had more arrest then the Bengals have had over the years.

[Alex The Great]

The fans aren't idiots... they've went through 12+ years of sub 500 teams... 8-8 is looking up. You don't know what it's like.... prolly because you're a bandwagon Steeler, Pats, or Colts fan :whatever:. Bottom line. You're an idiot. Period!

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito

[Excel]

Fran? Badger?

[Johnny Drama]

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito



I am all about The Buccaneers. I expect good things from them this year.

[BlackLantern]

wow Alex is sounding like the voice of reason in a conversation....interesting

[wiegeabo]

I am all about The Buccaneers. I expect good things from them this year.

You can put me down for 49ers and Bears. :word:

[Cmill216]

I am all about The Buccaneers. I expect good things from them this year.

As am I.

I love the direction the offense is heading in. My major concern right now is actually the defense. We haven't made a single move on that side of the ball to get the guys Jim Bates needs. I don't see any improvement, which is frustrating considering the money this team has.

[Kaiser]

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito

Where r you on that list alex?

I dont see stormin norman either.

[Johnny Drama]

As am I.

I love the direction the offense is heading in. My major concern right now is actually the defense. We haven't made a single move on that side of the ball to get the guys Jim Bates needs. I don't see any improvement, which is frustrating considering the money this team has.

True, and while I would like to say it's still early in the post-season, the best defensive players are quickly getting grabbed out of free agency. And to think, we ALMOST had Haynseworth...

[Silver Knight]

I like the Dolphins and Vikings.

[Dark Donnie]

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito

:cmad: Put me down for The Eagles

[danielisthor]

GO Web Go and I should be added to the Dolphins.

[Go Web Go!]

GO Web Go and I should be added to the Dolphins.

For realz :up:

[Holiday]

I'm a Chargers fan.

[Ironfan72]

False.... Lewis didn't draft TJ or Chad or Rudi

oops, my mistake, thanks.

[Immortalfire]

Check out my revamped PS2, dudes

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/DSC05541.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/DSC05538.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/DSC05540.jpg

[Go Web Go!]

Not too shabby. Is that a decal you can stick on there or how does that work?

[Immortalfire]

Yup, a pack of decals. Found it at GameStop earlier :cool:

[Go Web Go!]

I have the smaller PS2. I can't quite pimp it out.

[Dr. Evil]

Browns sign TE Robert Royal

[Excel]

Jabari Greer to Saints is a decent signing.

[Dark Donnie]

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b102741_fore_tom_brady_plays_golf_with_entourage.h tml

Fore! Tom Brady Plays Golf With Entourage

Today 2:45 PM PST by Breanne L. Heldman


Tom Brady may have just become a husband to Gisele Bündchen, but he's also about to become a member of an entirely different union as well.

The handsome football star is set to appear on the next season of HBO's Entourage, which will film next week in Los Angeles.

"He will be playing himself at a celebrity golf tournament," a HBO publicist tells E! News.

Presumably, Adrian Grenier's Vinnie Chase will also be participating in the tournament, but no word as to whether the New England Patriot will share screen time with Mr. Mercury Jeremy Piven's Ari Gold.

E! News has also confirmed a pair of recurring roles for when the comedy returns for season six later this year. Jami Gertz will play the wife of Gary Cole's character, while The O.C.'s Autumn Reeser will be a new junior agent at Miller/Gold.

[Dr. Evil]

Jabari Greer to Saints is a decent signing.

Yeah, hopefully this one pans out for them for once. This is the third year in a row that they have tried to upgrade at CB.

[Bond]

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito
Bond? Cowboys? Yeah?

[Mister J]

Big Game Torry Holt has asked for his release.

[Go Web Go!]

TO has been released by Dallas. Let the never-ending coverage begin.

[Mister J]

I just saw it on ESPN. :lmao:

[Go Web Go!]

Getcha popcorn ready.

[Excel]

Wow...not a good idea Jerry. So much for Rosenhaus 's "Hes not going anywhere".

Wonder he ends up?

[Dark Donnie]

Watch him end up back in Philly

[Go Web Go!]

Watch him end up back in Philly

That'd be something, huh? What would you say to that?

[Excel]

I bet he goes to either Oakland or New York.

[Mister J]

Yeah, whose sideline will be storming around on, cursing out assistant coaches, be rumored to be talking **** about teammates and dropping passes for next, all the while enduring declining productivity? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Dark Donnie]

That'd be something, huh? What would you say to that?

I'd be opposed as the guy is a malcontent. Great talent just nuts.

[Mister J]

I bet he goes to either Oakland or New York.
Oh, God, he's totally going to be a Raider.

I'm screaming right now. My neighbors are going to think I've lost it. :lmao:

[Excel]

Could sign with Cincinatti too.

[Excel]

From the sounds of it this was a dumbass move, they will take an enormous cap hit.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah, whose sideline will be storming around on, cursing out assistant coaches, be rumored to be talking **** about teammates and dropping passes for next? Inquiring minds want to know.

You can cross the Fins off the list of potential suitors. We all know the Tuna's history with "The Player." I just hope the Pats don't snag him somehow. :csad:

[Dark Donnie]

I'd expect NYG, BUF, Bal, Oak, Was, Chi to look at him

Cincy just signed Coles so I doubt there.

[Bunker]

T.O. signs with the Giants.

I'm calling it.

[Excel]

Chicago. I think he will go to Chicago. Hes the missing link for that team and could mentor a younger guy like DHB or Maclin from this seasons draft.

[Holiday]

Holy balls! Did not expect that news...

[Mister J]

From the sounds of it this was a dumbass move, they will take an enormous cap hit.
I recall it being mentioned that the cap hit would be fairly significant when this was rumored after the season. Jerry loves attention and with the Dallas Cowboys Cathedral opening next year, you figure he'd want all the star power possible. He didn't give a rat's ass about TO's reputation when he signed him (coughing up a 10M signing bonus). His antics hardly come out of left field. I'm interested in the reasoning myself.
You can cross the Fins off the list of potential suitors. We all know the Tuna's history with "The Player." I just hope the Pats don't snag him somehow. :csad:
It'd be like a new episode of Mission: Impossible; Agent Owens, you're mission, if you choose to accept it, is to wreck the Patriots locker room and team chemistry, bringing an unwelcome wave of negative publicity to the team, ultimately resulting in a crash and burn season. This popcorn bag will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

[BlackLantern]

I will not watch the Giants this year if they sign TO...he's a cancer....I think Baltimore might be a good fit for Team Obliterator...

[Go Web Go!]

I will not watch the Giants this year if they sign TO...he's a cancer....I think Baltimore might be a good fit for Team Obliterator...

Don't you remember his botched trade to Baltimore before he was moved again to Philly? I doubt anyone with the Ravens would want TO there. Especially that Ray Lewis guy that they happened to re-sign today.

[BlackLantern]

right...forgot about that whole Baltimore issue....I don't see him going to an NFC team though....he's alienated three divisions of football

[Double Down]

It's time to turn ESPN off for a while. It will be 24-hour TO coverage for the foreseeable future.

[FaT_tONle]

Wtf... WTF!!! Jerry... are you drunk???

****ing Stephen Jones... convinced Jerry to do this bull ****... Jerry doesn't know what he is doing anymore.... step down as GM... the time has come.

[BlackLantern]

Jerry has finally come to his senses and realized that having an attention whore on your team actually has negative effects....Im sure many of the Cowboys players went to Jerry on the DL and nudged him that way....

[Dark Donnie]

Stephen A. Smith mentions Indy, NYG, NE as possible teams.

[BlackLantern]

Stephen A. Smith is a joke....he's a caricature and gives black journalists a bad name....someone needs to tell him he's not in the hood anymore and just because you yell loud doesn't mean you're right or make any sense.....

[Dark Donnie]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/12398/Crybaby.gif

[FaT_tONle]

Stephen A. Smith mentions Indy, NYG, NE as possible teams.

None of these teams make sense... you think Manning wants that? If T.O takes a pay cut I could see it... and the Giants... they won't even bring Plax back. Now they are bringing in T.O? And N.E??? Please... people just want to throw out the marquee places... T.O is old news now. He wasn't in big D.

Jerry has lost his mind. Coming to the senses my ass... no way Roy Williams is filling that slot this year. If you had a speedster on the other side then maybe. They don't have that... nor can they afford to bring one in. If Crayton or Austin don't stay healthy or are simply ineffective this offense will be inept if they sustain heavy injury at RB again... like every team does.

[Dr. Evil]

It's time to turn ESPN off for a while. It will be 24-hour TO coverage for the foreseeable future.

No worries. They'll be back covering A-Roid within a day.

[BlackLantern]

my two least favorite things on the planet are in a tailspin (TO and the Dallas Cowboys)

[Dr. Evil]

Owens was wearing thin on me as a Cowboys fan. Thank god that S.O.B. is gone.

[BlackLantern]

the Dallas Cowboys roster and staff signed a petition and left it on Jerry Jones' desk

[Dr. Evil]

I've always thought of Owens as the biggest douche to ever wear a Cowboys jersey.

[FaT_tONle]

Whatever... everyone will be picking the Cowboys to finish last this year... they'll be 7-5 at the half way mark... and they'll get hot at the end and go on a run. Won't end in a Superbowl... but expectations going down is exactly what this team needed. T.O gone brings them down to just another big market team... this won't be the Cowboy team we have been accustomed to see in the media all these years... with T.O questions basically gone.

[BlackLantern]

I think of the Dallas Cowboys as Douchebag Central and TO stood out as King of the DBags...

[Dr. Evil]

I think of the Dallas Cowboys as Douchebag Central and TO stood out as King of the DBags...

TO is the Hulk Hogan of pro football.

[Mastodon123]

He'll probably be back in SF. I'm sure Samurai Mike would keep him in line.

[Holiday]

No worries. They'll be back covering A-Roid within a day.

I dunno. I see them covering this for a few days. Alex is probably stoked.

[danielisthor]

Well ESPN will need to ask King Lebron his opinion on this move. If he approves of it and what not.

Then they'll ask A-Roid. Then Tiger Woods. Then Tom Brady.

CNN and MSNBC will ask Obama.

Fox will ask Rush.

It wont end even when TO signs with his new team.

[Dr. Evil]

I also happen to like the Texans.

Andre Johnson FTW!

[KALEL114]

I think this is great news actually. $9 million against the cap hurts, but better chemistry in the locker room helps a lot. Now if they can just get rid of Roy Williams (Safety), I'd be even happier.

[StorminNorman]

You know which team T.O. should sign with for a cut in money?

New England.

[StorminNorman]

The fans aren't idiots... they've went through 12+ years of sub 500 teams... 8-8 is looking up. You don't know what it's like.... prolly because you're a bandwagon Steeler, Pats, or Colts fan :whatever:. Bottom line. You're an idiot. Period!

their off the field hijinks <---- Funny thing is.... teams like the Stealers and Chargers have had more arrest then the Bengals have had over the years.

I have no NFL team, per say. I am a fan of football though and any fan base that defends a coach whose best year was 8-8 in 2005 simply does not deserve a winning team.

[Caped Crusader]

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito


uhh.. me = Giants. :oldrazz:


hurm.

[Caped Crusader]

T.O. signs with the Giants.

I'm calling it.

Stephen A. Smith mentions Indy, NYG, NE as possible teams.


:dry:

Dear God, Please I beg you.. NO :csad:

[Silver Knight]

I see T.O ending up in New England.

[The Game]

You know which team T.O. should sign with for a cut in money?

New England.

I see T.O ending up in New England.

Dunno about that, but we are a bit thin on good recievers now Gaffney has gone and lord knows Belly's track record of drafting good WR's is shocking

[Caped Crusader]

I cant see Moss & Owens in the same huddle

[Bond]

I love T.O., he's a great player, but he just can't stick with one team for too long. I'm proud that Jerry actually had the guts to release someone like him. Roy Williams is meant to be a number one receiver anyway.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Jabari Greer to Saints is a decent signing.

Damn, he was someone I wanted the Lions to sign. Instead we signed Phillip Buchanon. Ugh. :(

Watch him end up back in Philly

I think you have a better chance of seeing Reggie White on the Eagles next year

I'd expect NYG, BUF, Bal, Oak, Was, Chi to look at him

Cincy just signed Coles so I doubt there.

It'd have to be a team with an established QB. He'd completely screw with the head of a young QB like Russell, Edwards, etc.

T.O. signs with the Giants.

I'm calling it.

LOL Shockey made ELI almost pee himself in fear. Can you imagine what TO would do to his psyche?

the Dallas Cowboys roster and staff signed a petition and left it on Jerry Jones' desk

Thats too damn funny. It'd be even funnier if they did it on petitiononline.com

You know which team T.O. should sign with for a cut in money?

New England.

Dont Moss and TO hate each other?

[Erzengel]

With the Jets losing Coles, wouldn't be surprised if TO became a Jet. It would give Clemens a weapon, however, Clemens isn't exactly a leader, just yet.

[KALEL114]

I love T.O., he's a great player, but he just can't stick with one team for too long. I'm proud that Jerry actually had the guts to release someone like him. Roy Williams is meant to be a number one receiver anyway.

I agree. On a side note. I'm tired of people talking about the Roy trade being a bust based on his performance when he got to Dallas. Let's see what a full training camp and a ton practices with a healthy Romo does for Roy's production before we judge the trade. I think he will do quite well. If not, let's go out and get another reciever next year when we have the draft picks and money.

[FaT_tONle]

With the Jets losing Coles, wouldn't be surprised if TO became a Jet. It would give Clemens a weapon, however, Clemens isn't exactly a leader, just yet.

It's a non-factor... T.O will be there for a couple of years and sell tickets... Jets need to make a splash with Farve gone.

[Immortalfire]

Bye bye Owens..maybe he'll have a press conference and weep about it.

[RAMORE]

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito

Hello Buc fan here add me too their "official list" please:D

[ih8nyy]

You know which team T.O. should sign with for a cut in money?

New England.

I see T.O ending up in New England.

I cant see Moss & Owens in the same huddle

I can see it only because the moment TO acts up in the huddle about not getting the ball, TFB would tell him "you'll get the ball when I throw it to you and oh by the way, STFU!"

Deal would make sense for NE though only if they could get him on short money. That way if he is an issue, they just cut their loses and say bye bye.

[RAMORE]

You know which team T.O. should sign with for a cut in money?

New England.
I actually have been wishing them to play together for years the media could call them ...... The Recieva Divas!!!!!


Dont Moss and TO hate each other?

Actually TO has extreme respect for Moss he's been qouted as saying he is the most naturally gifted athlete to ever play reciever:wow:....but in true TO fashion he followed that up by saying that if he put the work in that he did he would be the best reciever in history but since he doesn't it's him:grin: In fairness this was when Moss was wasting away at the raiders.

[ih8nyy]

Jesus Christ....just....shut up.

And here's the list of Hype Members and there teams...

NFL...
49ers- The Riddler, kane9321, ROOR, Sun Down
Bears- Addendum, Crowleen, Crow
Bengals- Ironfan72, Boom
Bills- BatMatt
Broncos- cyborg ninja 14
Browns- Spider-Fan
Buccaneers- Johnny Blaze, Cmill216, dr venture
Chargers- knowsbleed, Hole Shot, fu manchu
Chiefs- Badger, bored
Colts- SurfDUI, Memphis Slim, William C
Cowboys- Mee, Kel, cookiva, EL ASESINO, Soundwave, KALEL114, Deep Thinkin
Dolphins- Mister J, E. Nygma
Eagles- Powder-Man, The Evolutionist
Falcons- Immortalfire
Giants- BlackLantern, Erzengel, Lobo, bell110
Jets- Poeman, DBella
Lions- CalebYourMaster, The Incredible Hulk
Packers- punishermax, Darren Daring
Panthers- NewYorkSpider, enterthemadness, Dog Lips
Patriots- Showtime, Superman79, Excel, Psycho Symbiote, The Mystery, ShadowBoxing, Dwarf lord, ih8nyy
Raiders- Byrd Man, jaguarr, Dodger, Masamune
Rams- Fran
Ravens- Kaleb, Genesis 1.0
Seahawks- DBella
Steelers- Matt, The Original Bamfer, vindrow, Warhammer
Texans- Malice
Titans- Ghostrider87, Advanced Dark, Whiskey Tango, Panaphobia
Vikings- rdh007, Cito

Fixed.

[Immortalfire]

I've restarted the fan list thread...check it out, and PM me with your teams :cool:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=289705

[RAMORE]

I can see it only because the moment TO acts up in the huddle about not getting the ball, TFB would tell him "you'll get the ball when I throw it to you and oh by the way, STFU!"

Deal would make sense for NE though only if they could get him on short money. That way if he is an issue, they just cut their loses and say bye bye.

If they would consider they would probably due like they did moss a base contract heavy laden with incentives.

NE would have the best Tandem WR in the game better than Arizona even.

TO and MOSS are cut from the same cloth. They are hyper competitive winners. When they aren't winning they turn into babies. When they see others not giving their all they get pissed. If you give them respect and win they are model teamates.

As a side thought if you had Moss on the right TO on the left and welker in the middle who do you cover:huh: Damn that would be rough:grin:

[Immortalfire]

Some twit fellow I know his already yelling "Bring TO to da Falcons!!!"

Ain't no way :whatever:

[RAMORE]

Source: Broncos close to deal with QB Simmsby Alex Marvez

Updated: March 4, 2009, 6:23 PM EST 23 comments Josh McDaniels has claimed that Denver quarterback Jay Cutler isn't on the trading block. But if the Broncos' first-year head coach changes his mind, McDaniels could have another viable option as Cutler's replacement.

Tennessee quarterback Chris Simms is close to finalizing a free-agent contract with the Broncos, a source told FOXSports.com.

Simms, 28, spent last season with the Titans after being cut by Tampa Bay. The release ended a bumpy five-year Buccaneers run. Simms landed in then-coach Jon Gruden's doghouse after being the team's starter for 14 games in 2005 and 2006.

Simms appeared in only one game last season while mired behind Kerry Collins and Vince Young on the Titans bench. With Tennessee re-signing Collins, Simms' best chance for playing time in 2009 was with another team. Patrick Ramsey, who was Denver's backup quarterback the past two seasons, is expected to sign elsewhere as a free agent.

Cutler's future with the Broncos is in question after McDaniels reportedly tried trading him to Tampa Bay as part of a three-way deal that would have netted New England quarterback Matt Cassel. New England instead sent Cassel to Kansas City, leaving McDaniels to deal with an irate Cutler once news of the aborted deal leaked.


That is just sad Simms is so bad.

[ih8nyy]

Some twit fellow I know his already yelling "Bring TO to da Falcons!!!"

Ain't no way :whatever:

I don't see Matt Ryan having the stones yet to tell him to shut his pie-hole in the huddle.

[Erzengel]

That is just sad Simms is so bad.
I guess that isn't rad.
But maybe Simms will be glad.
Along with his dad.

[Immortalfire]

I don't see Matt Ryan having the stones yet to tell him to shut his pie-hole in the huddle.

TO's whining, his "me me me" attitude, and his probable eventual dissing of Ryan....yup, just what Arthur Blank isn't looking for.

[Silver Knight]

Add my name to the list would you!

[Go Web Go!]

I don't see Matt Ryan having the stones yet to tell him to shut his pie-hole in the huddle.

In fairness, no one has had the stones set the guy straight.

[Caped Crusader]

Dallas safety Roy Williams (horsecollar man)

Cut :funny: :funny:

[Dr. Evil]

At least Randy Moss has learned to shut the hell up, unlike Owens.

[That-Guy]

T.O. should go to the Ravens, since Ray Lewis "loves the way he plays." Then he can crap all over their Super Bowl dreams.

[Dr. Evil]

T.O. should go to the Ravens, since Ray Lewis "loves the way he plays." Then he can crap all over their Super Bowl dreams.

They would get into a huge locker room brawl if they were ever teammates together.

[KALEL114]

Dallas safety Roy Williams (horsecollar man)

Cut :funny: :funny:

It's about time.:woot:

[That-Guy]

They would get into a huge locker room brawl if they were ever teammates together.

That would be funny to watch. But my guess is they'd probably just press-conference-spar for most of the season.

[Mister J]

I woke up late this morning and missed my usual ESPN run; Did Skip Bayless appear to have a smile surgically grafted onto his face about the TO news?

[Raiden]

I think without TO, Cowboys will get better this year, much like Giants did when they lost Shockley.

[Go Web Go!]

I don't know about all hat. Shockey wasn't the top receiving threat with the Giants the way TO was in Dallas.

[StorminNorman]

Dallas safety Roy Williams (horsecollar man)

Cut :funny: :funny:

Now there is a player that should go to New England.

At least Randy Moss has learned to shut the hell up, unlike Owens.

To be fair though, Moss only learned to shut up because he was in New England. Terrel Owens was in Dallas where they WANTED him to talk.

[kane9321]

Stephen A. Smith is a joke....he's a caricature and gives black journalists a bad name....someone needs to tell him he's not in the hood anymore and just because you yell loud doesn't mean you're right or make any sense.....


100% agreed..he makes me sick

[Dr. Evil]

To be fair though, Moss only learned to shut up because he was in New England. Terrel Owens was in Dallas where they WANTED him to talk.

And therefore, Moss will have a few more good seasons left in him. Going to New England is so far the best thing to happen to his career.

[StorminNorman]

And therefore, Moss will have a few more good seasons left in him. Going to New England is so far the best thing to happen to his career.

Which is why T.O. needs to join him.

[BlackLantern]

Id like for the NFL to pull a 'Barry' and just let him sit home, but the chances of that are slim

[Immortalfire]

TO will go to the Bengals...he and Chad can be jackasses united.

[Dr. Evil]

Which is why T.O. needs to join him.

I don't think he and Moss will get along at all. The moment he starts whining and complaining about lack of catches, he'll end up getting into a heated shouting match with Belichick.

He's an ass, plain and simple.

[Raiden]

I don't think he and Moss will get along at all. The moment he starts whining and complaining about lack of catches, he'll end up getting into a heated shouting match with Belichick.

He's an ass, plain and simple.

Yeah, if an owner like Jerry Jones who loves problematic and prima donna players would release TO, then you know he is really a cancer in the locker room. I don't see any team picking TO up except Raiders, because Al Davis is probably more clueless than even Jones.

[Immortalfire]

Either the Lions or Raiders...neither one knows what the hell they're doing.

[Excel]

I have no doubt that if Owens recieves an offer from the Patriots, hell take. Yeah, it might be awkward next season when Moss passes him to become the all time touchdown leader among active players, but...

Owens is essentially the NFL version of Manny Ramirez (without the championships). Like Manram in L.A., Owens needs to find a team where he can still be the guy but that has the emotional maturity and coaching style for his distractions to not be dealt with.

Obviously, places like New England, Pittsburg, the Giants, Tennesse that come to mind likely will not go after him. The places that instantly spring to mind as good fits for both him and the team are:

Chicago and San Diego come to mind. Chicago in particular would be a superb fit for Owens. Orton played well last season, they just lacked a real go to wide reciever. He coudl be the missing part of that team being a super bowl contender again.

[That-Guy]

Hmmm... yeah, Chicago might be a good fit for him. I like the Bears, and I'd like to see them become a real contender again.

Of course, part of me wants to see him go to Oakland or Detroit, two places "where good players go to die."

[Mister J]

Owens is worse than Ramirez. Manny is just a big kid; likes to goof off, give half-assed efforts occasionally and seems to annually whine about being traded. I've never heard about Manny throwing teammates under the bus, trying to show up managers/coaches or reaching that level of internal divisiveness (at least, until the very end with Boston).

Owens' main problem is that he simply doesn't know when to shut the **** up. Seeing what type of market there is for this characters will be very interesting.

[Raiden]

I have no doubt that if Owens recieves an offer from the Patriots, hell take. Yeah, it might be awkward next season when Moss passes him to become the all time touchdown leader among active players, but...

Owens is essentially the NFL version of Manny Ramirez (without the championships). Like Manram in L.A., Owens needs to find a team where he can still be the guy but that has the emotional maturity and coaching style for his distractions to not be dealt with.

Obviously, places like New England, Pittsburg, the Giants, Tennesse that come to mind likely will not go after him. The places that instantly spring to mind as good fits for both him and the team are:

Chicago and San Diego come to mind. Chicago in particular would be a superb fit for Owens. Orton played well last season, they just lacked a real go to wide reciever. He coudl be the missing part of that team being a super bowl contender again.

I don't think Manny is like Owens. Except for his shticks that he did to get out of Boston last year, Manny is actually a very professional and productive player, and helped Red Sox win 2 WS. Owens has been in 3 teams already, and each team had to kick him out for being a disruptive force in the clubhouse.

[Excel]

What did you guys hear about Owens during 2007 other than he was the 2nd best wr in the NFL.

When Owens get the ball, his team wins. When his team wins, Owens shuts up. Those are facts. Chicago is the best fit for him imo, he wont **** with Lovie Smith.

[Go Web Go!]

Chicago is the best fit for him imo, he wont **** with Lovie Smith.

So you say.

[Excel]

Unlike Phily, this is gonna be a total shock for him. Hes not dumb, he'll figure out whats up. Smith is tough, and Chicago is a hard nosed town and team. If he behaves and performs he will be a savior there. Smith strikes me as the kind of coach Owens could have respect for.

[The Incredible Hulk]

When Owens get the ball, his team wins. When his team wins, Owens shuts up. Those are facts.

It's also a fact that Owens has never won a championship and the one year that his team got to the Super Bowl, they made their playoff run without him to get there. Another fact is that his nuisance overrides his talent, which has happened with 3 different organizations now.


Chicago is the best fit for him imo, he wont **** with Lovie Smith.

Lovie Smith is on the hot seat going into this season. He has almost no leverage on anyone at this point b/c if the Bears play poorly this year he'll be fired. And somehow I dont see Kyle Orton and T.O. being a great combination. T.O. has wigged on far better QB's than that.

[Dark Donnie]

Owens will never learn....most guys would learn after being the outcast on 2 teams, this guy raised the bar to 3 teams. No one will offer him a lucrative deal.

[Mister J]

What did you guys hear about Owens during 2007 other than he was the 2nd best wr in the NFL.

When Owens get the ball, his team wins. When his team wins, Owens shuts up. Those are facts. Chicago is the best fit for him imo, he wont **** with Lovie Smith.
He wasn't getting the ball last year?

Before he went over the deep end in Philly, they started the season 3-1 and 4-2, but that didn't stop him from *****ing about a new contract, talking smack about McNabb and eventually getting exiled.

He's taken shots at Garcia, McNabb and Romo, all Pro Bowl QBs. How do you think he's going to respond when the likes of Kyle Orton doesn't throw him the ball 20 times or has a few picks?

[Go Web Go!]

Unlike Phily, this is gonna be a total shock for him. Hes not dumb, he'll figure out whats up. Smith is tough, and Chicago is a hard nosed town and team. If he behaves and performs he will be a savior there. Smith strikes me as the kind of coach Owens could have respect for.

Would you not have thought the same when Owens arrived in Dallas to play for Mr. Anti-BS himself, Bill Parcells? How'd that work out?

[KALEL114]

Here is a quick stat for you. In the last 20 games (dating back to after GB game when things seemed to start to fall apart) TO only had one 7 catch game against San Fran. The other 19 games, he averaged 4 rec. and 54 yards a game. He has lost a step and CB's know how to play him now. Get in his face and jam him. Not to mention the dropped balls as well. As far as him causing grief in the locker room, it will never stop. He will never change period.

[Excel]

Smith isnt going anywhere; he went 9-7 while losing 3 games by 3 points or less.

He wasn't getting the ball last year?

Before he went over the deep end in Philly, they started the season 3-1 and 4-2, but that didn't stop him from *****ing about a new contract, talking smack about McNabb and eventually getting exiled.

He's taken shots at Garcia, McNabb and Romo, all Pro Bowl QBs. How do you think he's going to respond when the likes of Kyle Orton doesn't throw him the ball 20 times or has a few picks?

Depends. Owens is the oppo of Moss. Moss couldnt ever be the guy on the team; couldnt handle it, thats why Oakland was a failure. Owens HAS to be the guy. If T.O. truly believes hes better than Kyle Orton hed almost give him a pass if he plays bad. Owens cries about McNabb and Romo because people treat them like their guy and not him. Hes immature but to think it couldnt work is foolish.

[Mister J]

He only had two game over 100 yards last season and willl be 36 come December. Nobody beats Father Time.

When the on-field production was there, dealing with his nonsense was one thing. Now, with his effectiveness lessening, it's something entirely different.

[Mister J]

If T.O. truly believes hes better than Kyle Orton hed almost give him a pass if he plays bad.
Yeah, because TO has always been such a big team guy. It's totally within him to console Orton and be supportive if he hits a rough patch and the team goes into a little funk. He won't overreact at all because of the disparity in star power. :lmao:

Owens cries about McNabb and Romo because people treat them like their guy and not him. Hes immature but to think it couldnt work is foolish.
Funny. I actually think it's foolish to believe a 35-year old prima donna, who's worn out his welcome with three different teams, is all of a sudden going to change his behavior.

[Excel]

Why does everybody think T.O. has lost a step? His film says otherwise.

Still got speed to burn:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80adc020

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b68153

Still hard as hell to bring down:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cb56db


He might not be Owens of 2004 but hes still top 5 talent.

[Excel]

Yeah, because TO has always been such a big team guy. It's totally within him to console Orton and be supportive if he hits a rough patch and the team goes into a little funk. He won't overreact at all because of the disparity in star power. :lmao:

Funny. I actually think it's foolish to believe a 35-year old prima donna, who's worn out his welcome with three different teams, is all of a sudden going to change his behavior.

If you listen to the facts of last years incidents in Dallas, Owens wasnt the one out of line, infact according to ESPN had the majority of the locker rooms support. The problem is not that Owens isnt a bad team player, the problem is hes a ditraction because of his past. Theres a big difference. Outside of Romo or Witten you wont hear a Cowboys team mate of his say he was a bad teammate.

[Raiden]

If T.O. goes to play for the Bears, he'll stunt the growth of Ken Orton because Orton will have to give up the leadership to T.O., and he'll be forced to keep throwing to him or risk being screwed out like Romo did. And after playing with 3 pro-bowl QBs, I doubt T.O. would be happy to receive passes from the likes of Orton.

[Mister J]

If you listen to the facts of last years incidents in Dallas, Owens wasnt the one out of line, infact according to ESPN had the majority of the locker rooms support. The problem is not that Owens isnt a bad team player, the problem is hes a ditraction because of his past. Theres a big difference. Outside of Romo or Witten you wont hear a Cowboys team mate of his say he was a bad teammate.
Unfortunately, those are two of the most important voices to have in your corner. There's no reason other than petty bull**** by #81 at the cause of it. More than likely, that was a huge determinant in Jerry Jones deciding it was worth a 9M cap hit in trying to salvage the team. He's had his supporters in numerous locker rooms, but the other side is certainly present as well. Someone just told me that Bobby Carpenter was on First Take this morning, citing that if you polled the team, it's probably be 80/20 in favor of Owens' release.

The guy is a disruptive force and it follows him everywhere. He's not necessarily as bad as he's made out to be by the media, but he's more than deserving of criticism, past and present.

[Excel]

Newman was just interviewed on SC saying he felt the vast majority liked him. Plus, the cap hit is only 1 million as 8 of that 9 woulda been paid to T.O. this June.

The reason thats believeable is because, as the idiot Stephan A Smith correctly pointed out, of everything Owens has said hes never been wrong and has always spoken the truth.

Like it or not, what T.O. reportedly said about Romo behind closed doors was probably what 90% of the teams was thinking after he that interception. For a lot of people Owens was the voice of their concerns, which is why people can get so defensive over him. People interpret him as a "me me me" player when he complains but in reality hes speaking for a majority. I wont get into the specific details because I dont know them, it just sounds from listening to teammates that Owens is getting a bum rap when it comes to being a "bad team player". I always see him downfield blocking, ect.

BUT of course, its T.O. so he cant get away with it, thats his fault is he somehow isnt aware of that yet.

I dont think it was Owens antics that got him pushed out; it was Jones wanting to simpll forget this season and usher in a new era of cowboys with the opening of the new stadium. Tony Romo, Roy Williams, MB3 and Witten are the future of that Offense and weve known it for a while, T.O. was always the odd man out.

[Darthphere]

Why does Excel insist of defending ******* and crappy football players like TO and McNabb? :huh:

[Excel]

Why does Excel insist of defending ******* and crappy football players like TO and McNabb? :huh:

Because theyre would-be hall of famers who are getting labeled by some of you as "crappy" :huh:

[Darthphere]

I don't think either one gets into the Hall IMHO. They haven't done ****.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Smith isnt going anywhere; he went 9-7 while losing 3 games by 3 points or less.


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-24-haugh-onbears-chicagofeb24,0,985641.column

[The Incredible Hulk]

Why does Excel insist of defending ******* and crappy football players like TO and McNabb? :huh:

Not sure, although after his defenses of Superman Returns, I'm starting to think he just likes playing devil's advocate.

Because theyre would-be hall of famers who are getting labeled by some of you as "crappy" :huh:

LOL McNabb aint getting into the Hall unless he buys an admission ticket.

[Excel]

Whenever McNabb leaves Phily and wins a championship, hell be a lock.

I don't think either one gets into the Hall IMHO. They haven't done ****.

Than you have clue what your talking about. Terrell Owens is going to retire 3rd all time in recieving touchdowns, top 5 in receptions, top 3 recieving yards, hes lead the NFL in touchdowns what...5-6 times?

ESPN had him as the 7th greatest wide reciever ever last year, and his carreer isnt over.

[Showtime]

Whenever McNabb leaves Phily and wins a championship, hell be a lock.

Than you have clue what your talking about. Terrell Owens is going to retire 3rd all time in recieving touchdowns, top in receptions, recieving yards, hes lead the NFL in touchdowns what...5-6 times?

ESPN had him as the 7th greatest wide reciever ever last year, and his carreer isnt over.

Not sure about McNabb, but I would say definately on Owens. That being said its not that you are defending their stats, it is that you are defending their actions as human beings, and Owens is just a complete *******. There is no way to defend it. He isn't a model teamate. Neither his Manny.

[Darthphere]

McNabb does have the record for most ankles hit.

[Darthphere]

Whenever McNabb leaves Phily and wins a championship, hell be a lock.



Than you have clue what your talking about. Terrell Owens is going to retire 3rd all time in recieving touchdowns, top 5 in receptions, top 3 recieving yards, hes lead the NFL in touchdowns what...5-6 times?

ESPN had him as the 7th greatest wide reciever ever last year, and his carreer isnt over.

Yeah, maybe, but I'll guarantee he doesn't make it on the 1st ballot.

[RAMORE]

What did you guys hear about Owens during 2007 other than he was the 2nd best wr in the NFL.
When Owens get the ball, his team wins. When his team wins, Owens shuts up. Those are facts. Chicago is the best fit for him imo, he wont **** with Lovie Smith.Exactly!

It's also a fact that Owens has never won a championship and the one year that his team got to the Super Bowl, they made their playoff run without him to get there.Your kidding me right he played well enough to get them a great seed for the playoffs, and then rehabed like crazy and against doctors orders came back for the superbowl and would have been named MVP had they won. He was doing what he said he would. And oh let's not forget he didn't get tired in the final minutes of the game that was someone else and i'm still bitter about that superbowl they could have won it in the last 35 seconds.:cmad:

Why does everybody think T.O. has lost a step? His film says otherwise.
He might not be Owens of 2004 but hes still top 5 talent.
Exactly and if you get him on a team with some other talented recievers and he'll be allstar again.

Someone just told me that Bobby Carpenter was on First Take this morning, citing that if you polled the team, it's probably be 80/20 in favor of Owens' release..
Yeah and the media has never lied to make a story more sensational right.

Wake up guys this just like when people said Moss was washed up and that was all hogwash.

[Excel]

Im not defending Owens actions as much as Im saying his **** gets blown out of proportion. He ought to know what will happen by now and stop doing it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-24-haugh-onbears-chicagofeb24,0,985641.column

All the more reason to get T.O. :up:

[Excel]

Wake up guys this just like when people said Moss was washed up and that was all hogwash.

The part about being washed up is similar to Moss as theyre a similar state physically (thats says something given Owens is 3 years older)...but Moss was a lot more mature than T.O. was. Not saying Owens is immature, but Moss figured out **** he would say/do would get taken out of context and learned to shut up...Owens realizes it but uses it to spite them instead of just s hutting up.

[Mister J]

Yeah and the media has never lied to make a story more sensational right.

Wake up guys this just like when people said Moss was washed up and that was all hogwash.
Bobby Carpenter plays linebacker for the Cowboys, hoss. He has nothing to do with the media.

[KALEL114]

Wake up guys this just like when people said Moss was washed up and that was all hogwash.

Difference is Moss was 30 and TO is about to be 36. T.O is too set in his ways to change. Moss fell into the right atmosphere at the right time of his career.

[Excel]

Difference is Moss was 30 and TO is about to be 36.

Which is why its a good thing he has the body of a 30 year old.

Still got speed to burn:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80adc020

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b68153

Still hard as hell to bring down:
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cb56db

[Mister J]

Difference is Moss was 30 and TO is about to be 36.
Another difference is that Moss' problems in Oakland were related to him simply not wanting to be there and consequently, dragging ass. Put him on a quality team and he was happy to start giving effort once again. He had some previous flareups, like with the meter maid in Minneapolis or the "Straight cash, homie." (which was hysterical), but he was never the locker room ass that TO is.

You can't really question Owens' effort on the field. He runs routes hard, goes over the middle, block downfield, hustles in practice and stays in great shape. He just has no clue when to shut up. As a result, ****storms inevitably result. Some like him, but he also alienates other players and coaches alike.

[Showtime]

Anyway...

Lets talk about the Cowboy who was released today who actually matters, Roy Williams. Where do you guys thing he will end up.

[The Game]

Why does Excel insist of defending ******* and crappy football players like TO and McNabb? :huh:

T.O and McNabb are crappy? are you insane

[Dr. Evil]

Anyway...

Lets talk about the Cowboy who was released today who actually matters, Roy Williams. Where do you guys thing he will end up.

New Orleans.

[Dark Donnie]

Because theyre would-be hall of famers who are getting labeled by some of you as "crappy" :huh:

Agreed...McNabb and Owens are FAR from crappy. McNabb is one of the better QB's of hsi generation, and Owens is one of the best WR's ever. Owens just happens to be nuts

[StorminNorman]

Because theyre would-be hall of famers who are getting labeled by some of you as "crappy" :huh:

McNabb is not a Hall of Fame QB, but I agree with what you are saying about T.O. 100%.

T.O. is out of Dallas not because of what he did on the Cowboys, but because of what happened to the Eagles years ago and the fact the team needs a scapegoat because Jones doesn't address the real issue - the leadership at the head coach position.

T.O. did not hurt the Cowboys, he was not the reason they underperformed. The guy is a great football player, an amazing entertainer and one of the best players to ever play the game at his position.

I hope he goes play with Randy Moss.

[StorminNorman]

Anyway...

Lets talk about the Cowboy who was released today who actually matters, Roy Williams. Where do you guys thing he will end up.

How does Roy Williams actually matter? He has been irrelevant for years.

[Excel]

The Patriots have reportedly ruled themselves out.

[Dr. Evil]

Patriots acquired WR Greg Lewis from the Eagles in exchange for undisclosed compensation, according to NFL Network's Adam Schefter.
Lewis, 29, only has 56 catches over the last three years, but has always been a Patriot killer and carries a cheap contract through 2011. Mostly a special teamer in Philly, he'll be a candidate for a bigger role now. He could replace Jabar Gaffney as a third receiver behind Randy Moss and Wes Welker. Lewis' kickoff coverage value probably assures him of a roster spot.

[RAMORE]

How old is Williams the Bucs might give him a shot if he's got something left in the tank.


As for TO if he's not First ballot then it's the media holding him back for the circus that was because he is stellar.

[RAMORE]

That's actually a great signing for the pats:up: Not as good as TO would have been. I'll take TO on my bucs in a second.

[Excel]

Shawn Springs signs with NE

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/03/05/patriots-reach-agreement-with-free-agent-springs/

:up: :up: