2009 NFL Thread

[Mastodon123]

I can see them making the move to Los Angeles. They're about to approve the building of a stadium there, and the Bills have been on their list of teams to make a move there.

[BlackLantern]

If you told me I had a choice between visiting Buffalo, NY and getting kicked in the nuts....I'd have to really think about that

[Johnny Drama]

listen biotch. We also have chickie wings :cmad:

but the city has been going down hill and is slowly dying :(.

Which is why i had to leave.

There was never anything great about Buffalo to begin with... :o

[XpunkRocker]

I can see them making the move to Los Angeles. They're about to approve the building of a stadium there, and the Bills have been on their list of teams to make a move there.

Yeah, the most possible ones on that list have always been the Chargers to move. And then the Vikes are in 2nd. And buffalo is usaually like 5th.

[Immortalfire]

Toronto actually doesn't want them. If they move anywhere, it is going to be somwhere closer to niagra falls so it can be buffalo and NY.


The Buffalo Bills of Toronto.

[XpunkRocker]

yeah, something like that.... toronto would make the most sense. but there is just too many issues there. The CFL and even the cfl players made a big deal out of it. there was a lot of contraversy when the games were played up there. A lot of people who went to the game were wills fans or people from out of town. i don't see it being much of a home when there are so many protesters.

As for the LA team, it makes sense to me it would be one of the cali teams. Oakland is like walking distance from it (sort of).

And every time LA gets a football team, it flounders. I don't see an owner really want to move a team there. it just isn't a football town.

[Mastodon123]

Yeah, the most possible ones on that list have always been the Chargers to move. And then the Vikes are in 2nd. And buffalo is usaually like 5th.

I can't really see the Vikings move. If Bullalo moved to LA though, I doubt they still would be called the Bills.

[XpunkRocker]

I can't really see the Vikings move. If Bullalo moved to LA though, I doubt they still would be called the Bills.

yeah, the name would have to change. If anyone is going to move anywhere first, it is going to be the vikings i am thinking.

[XpunkRocker]

also, for anyone interested, about a week before the superbowl on profootballtalk.com by Mike Florio. Says eight different times have interest to relocate to LA (Vikings, 49ers, Rams, Raiders, Saints, Jaguars Chargers and one more team) due to various issues like old out dated stadiums.

Vikings are the most interested.

Maybe the bills are that one team that isn't mentioned. maybe not. but i really cant see them moving to LA.

[Immortalfire]

yeah, the name would have to change

the Los Angeles Traffic

[Excel]

I'd take Taylor over Maroney or Morris.....although Morris filled in nicely at points last year.

At this point lomo is most talented...and injury prone. Taylors never been exactly reliable either.

[Johnny Drama]

If The 49ers relocate it will RUIN the prestige of The NFL and it will flush footballs greatest bit of history down the toilet.

[Mister J]

Facebook Post Gets Eagles' Worker Fired
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3965039)
A Facebook post criticizing his employer, the Philadelphia Eagles, cost a stadium operations worker his job, according to a story in Monday's Philadelphia Inquirer.

Dan Leone, who the Inquirer said worked as a west gate chief, was unhappy the team let Brian Dawkins sign with the Denver Broncos in free agency. According to the newspaper, Leone posted the following on his Facebook page: "Dan is [expletive] devastated about Dawkins signing with Denver ... Dam Eagles R Retarted!!"

Despite deleting the comment, Leone told the Inquirer the Eagles fired him by phone days later.

"I shouldn't have put it up there," Leone said, according to the Inquirer. "I was ticked off, and I let my emotions go, but I didn't offend any one person or target a specific individual. I was just upset that we lost such a great guy. Dawkins was one of my favorite players. I made a mistake."

Leone said he was shocked to lose his job of six years.

"I apologized for it," Leone said, according to the paper. "I apologized 20 million times. I never bad-mouthed the organization before. I made one mistake and they terminate me? And they couldn't even bring me into the office to talk to me? They had to do it over the phone? At least look me in the eye. To get done dirty like this, I can't believe it. I'm devastated."

The Eagles confirmed that Leone was a part-time staff member, but didn't comment further.
:lmao:

[XpunkRocker]

the Los Angeles Traffic


super bowl :up:

[Dark Donnie]

At this point lomo is most talented...and injury prone. Taylors never been exactly reliable either.

Does anyone actually call him lomo?:cwink:

[Immortalfire]

Does anyone actually call him lomo?:cwink:

These nicknames are ridiculous. Someone actually called Stephen Jackson, S-Jax :whatever:

[Colossal Spoons]

I thought the Bills getting TO was bad news, but I just found out about Ward going to Tampa Bay. :(:down:

[Excel]

Does anyone actually call him lomo?:cwink:

Thats been his nickname since his days at Minnesota...heres a link referencing him as that:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/69179-what-exactly-are-laurence-maroneys-issues

[Dr. Evil]

Atlanta signs OL Brett Romberg

[RAMORE]

Facebook Post Gets Eagles' Worker Fired
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3965039)

:lmao:

Man the eagles suck more than I thought. Not to mention the person who ratted him out to management.:cmad:

[Marx]

If you told me I had a choice between visiting Buffalo, NY and getting kicked in the nuts....I'd have to really think about that

:lmao:

[DChero]

We really should start a new thread on how long it will take the T.O. to ruin the Bills. A lot of people don't think he can do it in a year, but I have faith. :cwink:

[Excel]

Adolf Hitler on Terrell Owens signing with the Bills

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:lmao: great ending.

[DChero]

:pal:
Some of the dialog actually sounded in sync with the subtitles. Good times...

[FaT_tONle]

Watchmen Ending is the best of that Hitler clip I have seen... couple of other good ones somewhere on youtube.

[FaT_tONle]

Facebook Post Gets Eagles' Worker Fired (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3965039)
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3965039)

:lmao:

Just confirms the trash organization that they are... :cwink:

[wiegeabo]

:lmao:

That Hitler clip was the best!

[Holiday]

We really should start a new thread on how long it will take the T.O. to ruin the Bills. A lot of people don't think he can do it in a year, but I have faith. :cwink:

I really don't think Owens will "ruin" The Bills.

Owens is going to be looking for a new contract after the season so I think he'll be on his best behavior. Even if his new team is bad this season, if he plays well enough and keeps from being a big distraction in the locker room he'll get that new contract.

That's why I like this signing by Buffalo, because T.O. has a big reason to perform a high level this year.

[Alex The Great]

Adolf Hitler on Terrell Owens signing with the Bills

okhiJjuefPw&feature=channel_page

:lmao: great ending.
Hitler: I'm considering becoming a Dolphins Fan!!!
Women: :csad:
Other Woman: Don't worry, he's not that desperate.

[BlackLantern]

Just confirms the trash organization that they are... :cwink:

yea....but it also goes to show that **** like MySpace and Facebook have no inherent value and further contribute to our growing social regression

[Alex The Great]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2m816c4.gif [/Bills Fan]

[Silver Knight]

You're obsessed with team uniforms. Get some help.
Was this flame necessary? Considering your a mod you really should be leading by example.
Who's getting new uniforms? :huh:
Browns, 49'ers and Jags. Lions will be for 2010 season.

[Mastodon123]

I think the Lions might be getting a new logo too sometime in the future.

[XpunkRocker]

I really don't think Owens will "ruin" The Bills.


kinda hard to ruin a team that sucks :o

my poor fellas :(

[Cunning Stunts]

Hmm... I wonder how long it will be before LeBron is on an NFL team.

Just a thought. :p

[The Game]

Hmm... I wonder how long it will be before LeBron is on an NFL team.

Just a thought. :p

What?

[Dark Donnie]

Adolf Hitler on Terrell Owens signing with the Bills

okhiJjuefPw&feature=channel_page

:lmao: great ending.

That was fantastic...best part was the James Hardy jersey

[The Incredible Hulk]

yea....but it also goes to show that **** like MySpace and Facebook have no inherent value and further contribute to our growing social regression


The funny thing is I think if you use those sites to reconnect with people from your past, it's a great tool for increasing your social interactions. Over the past 3 months my wife and I have gone out with numerous people we havent seen in 10-15 years thanks to reconnecting on FB. However I think a lot of people, especailly teens, use those sites as their only form of social interaction with the outside world, which is sort of depressing.

Those sites are also in effect a public forum, and ripping your employer on them, especially if you're some low-level, easily replaceable employee, is probably not advisable.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Was this flame necessary?

He's Immortalfire. The flame is always necessary

Browns, 49'ers and Jags. Lions will be for 2010 season.

Just for you buddy... :)

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/03/new_lions_uniforms_and_logo_co.html


New Lions uniforms -- and logo -- could be revealed soon

by Tom Kowalski Tuesday March 10, 2009, 9:00 AM


The Detroit Lions have been very secretive about their plans for the draft and free agency, but they're being just as coy about their plans to change the team uniforms and logo. However, veteran defensive tackle Grady Jackson, during a radio interview Monday night, let something out of the bag.

Jackson, who recently signed as a free agent and probably didn't realize the Lions wanted to keep their new uniforms and logo a secret for awhile, made a comment about how he liked the Lions' new look, including a remark that he liked the "new colors.'' This morning, I contacted a Lions official who wouldn't say a word about the possibility of new uniforms or logo but it appears unlikely the team would change its colors.
Meanwhile, the Lions' official online store is having a blowout sale to clear out all of their remaining gear with the old logo. Some items are marked down 80 percent. With the old stuff gone, the Lions are going to need to stock those empty shelves with new merchandise. The question now is: How soon will they unveil it?
The Lions have a press conference scheduled for this afternoon with head coach Jim Schwartz, but I was told it has nothing to do with the uniforms and logo.





Let it be said that if we do away with our signature Honolulu Blue, I'll be sick to my stomach. Then again if we can be a winning franchise I dont care if we have pink Hello Kitty uniforms.

[Dr. Evil]

Atlanta signs LB Mike Peterson

[Silver Knight]

He's Immortalfire. The flame is always necessary



Just for you buddy... :)

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/03/new_lions_uniforms_and_logo_co.html



Let it be said that if we do away with our signature Honolulu Blue, I'll be sick to my stomach. Then again if we can be a winning franchise I dont care if we have pink Hello Kitty uniforms.
Cheers, great post.

This is why I ask for updates. Once again thank you.

[Go Web Go!]

You're obsessed with team uniforms. Get some help.

Nothing wrong with being a uniform aficionado, sir. :o

Adolf Hitler on Terrell Owens signing with the Bills

okhiJjuefPw&feature=channel_page

:lmao: great ending.

"He's not THAT desperate." :hehe:

[FaT_tONle]

yea....but it also goes to show that **** like MySpace and Facebook have no inherent value and further contribute to our growing social regression

Never bothered using those sites anyhow.

[RAMORE]

Adolf Hitler on Terrell Owens signing with the Bills

okhiJjuefPw&feature=channel_page

:lmao: great ending.

wow:wow:
What's even crazier is some people did flip out like that:hehe:

[RAMORE]

Just for Silver Knight here is an interesting website on NFL helmet designs and teams that were proposed and never picked up like the Raider were supposed to be the Senors and the Memphis Hound dogs:confused: There is however a Dolphins helmet I love on there.http://www.misterhabs.com/nfl-proto_files/Dolphins_alt_2.gif

http://www.misterhabs.com/nfl-proto.htm

[Immortalfire]

What the hell :huh:

[Go Web Go!]

Just for Silver Knight here is an interesting website on NFL helmet designs and teams that were proposed and never picked up like the Raider were supposed to be the Senors and the Memphis Hound dogs:confused: There is however a Dolphins helmet I love on there.http://www.misterhabs.com/nfl-proto_files/Dolphins_alt_2.gif

http://www.misterhabs.com/nfl-proto.htm

Fug. :csad:

[RAMORE]

One last link to fill your UNI love:

http://www.ssur.org/research/CK_NFLUniforms/NFLUnis.htm

This website is no joke SSUR.org The Society for Sports Uniform Research and I for one think Silver Knight should join:grin:

[Johnny Drama]

Was this flame necessary? Considering your a mod you really should be leading by example.

Browns, 49'ers and Jags. Lions will be for 2010 season.


He wasn't flaming you, he was haveing harmless fun with you. There was no malicious intent in his post, stop over-reacting.

[Silver Knight]

He wasn't flaming you, he was haveing harmless fun with you. There was no malicious intent in his post, stop over-reacting.
Do not get involved in other peoples business.

[Johnny Drama]

Do not get involved in other peoples business.

Oh, I am sorry for reading you PM's and responding. Oh wait, this is a public forum? :whatever:

[Silver Knight]

Look whos over-reacting now.

Back on topic, where do you guys think Garcia will end up?

[Johnny Drama]

in a retirement home...

[Silver Knight]

You think his done? Some team will sign him as a back up at least. Maybe New England?

[RAMORE]

Silver Knight was this you on Wiki answers?

Q: What NFL teams will be wearing new uniforms in 2009 season?

49ers in 2010 is all I've heard
____

The 2009 season will see a few new (or old) looks. The 49ers and Browns are both rumored to get new looks (the 49ers reverting back to the classic Joe Montana era uniforms and the Browns changing their uniforms but keeping the helmet the same).

The Rams will be adding the classic yellow/blue uniform for the LA Rams era as their alternate uniform. The Buccaneers are adding the classic "orange cream" uniforms with the classic Bucco Bruce helmet as thier alternate uniform to pay tribute to their anniversary season in conjunction with their themed "Ring of Honor". The Patriots and Titans will be adding their throwbacks (Patriots' minuteman uniform and Titans' classic Oilers uniforms) as alternate uniforms to pay respect for the anniversary of the old AFL.

I believe that's it.

[Johnny Drama]

You think his done? Some team will sign him as a back up at least. Maybe New England?


Thats what I said yesterday, he is too good to be 2nd banana but too old to start anywhere and Bradys back-up seems like the most viable choice for him.

[RAMORE]

What the hell :huh:what? The weird teams that didn't make it or the Dolphin Helmet.

Fug. :csad:What way better than what you got now.

[Silver Knight]

Silver Knight was this you on Wiki answers?

Q: What NFL teams will be wearing new uniforms in 2009 season?

49ers in 2010 is all I've heard
____

The 2009 season will see a few new (or old) looks. The 49ers and Browns are both rumored to get new looks (the 49ers reverting back to the classic Joe Montana era uniforms and the Browns changing their uniforms but keeping the helmet the same).

The Rams will be adding the classic yellow/blue uniform for the LA Rams era as their alternate uniform. The Buccaneers are adding the classic "orange cream" uniforms with the classic Bucco Bruce helmet as thier alternate uniform to pay tribute to their anniversary season in conjunction with their themed "Ring of Honor". The Patriots and Titans will be adding their throwbacks (Patriots' minuteman uniform and Titans' classic Oilers uniforms) as alternate uniforms to pay respect for the anniversary of the old AFL.

I believe that's it.
49ers are getting new unis this season, not in 2010 and no it was not me.
Thats what I said yesterday, he is too good to be 2nd banana but too old to start anywhere and Bradys back-up seems like the most viable choice for him.
Time will tell I guess.

[Silver Knight]

Wow that looks good! Too bad its just fan art.

[Go Web Go!]

What way better than what you got now.

Negative.

[Immortalfire]

Don't hotlink images, kids.

[Showtime]

Was this flame necessary? Considering your a mod you really should be leading by example.

That wasn't really flaming, you are obsessed with uniforms? :huh:

Browns, 49'ers and Jags. Lions will be for 2010 season.

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/3/10/788163/jackson-who-recently-signe


Jackson, who recently signed as a free agent and probably didn't realize the Lions wanted to keep their new uniforms and logo a secret for awhile, made a comment about how he liked the Lions' new look, including a remark that he liked the "new colors.'' This morning, I contacted a Lions official who wouldn't say a word about the possibility of new uniforms or logo but it appears unlikely the team would change its colors.


I never heard Cleveland or Jacksonville was confirmed as changing uniforms?

[Silver Knight]

Don't hotlink images, kids.
Can I ask why? Just curious thats all.

[Immortalfire]

Can I ask why? Just curious thats all.

There's always the possibility that a hotlinked image can turn into something quite inappropriate. We strongly urge users not to take that risk, but rather host pics on Photobucket or a similar site.

[Silver Knight]

That wasn't really flaming, you are obsessed with uniforms? :huh:



http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/3/10/788163/jackson-who-recently-signe



I never heard Cleveland or Jacksonville was confirmed as changing uniforms?
Someone in this thread said Jags were changing.

[Silver Knight]

There's always the possibility that a hotlinked image can turn into something quite inappropriate. We strongly urge users not to take that risk, but rather host pics on Photobucket or a similar site.
I see. Thanks for clearing that up. :yay:

[RAMORE]

Don't hotlink images, kids.

Damn sorry forgot I've been really good about it too since the rule change:csad:

[Go Web Go!]

Someone in this thread said Jags were changing.

They shall. You just watch! :cmad:

[Erzengel]

Wait the Jags are getting new uniforms? :huh:

[Go Web Go!]

That's the word. Should be unveiled in time for the draft (same for the Niners & Lions). Logo stays the same.

[Silver Knight]

They shall. You just watch! :cmad:
Care to share more info?

[Go Web Go!]

It'll cost ya, ;)

[Silver Knight]

Im willing to pay top doller.

[Showtime]

Wait the Jags are getting new uniforms? :huh:

I've only heard Lions and 49ers.

[Go Web Go!]

Someone open a Uni discussion, pronto!

[Silver Knight]

GWG im waiting with cash in hand.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Wait the Jags are getting new uniforms? :huh:

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/77051/sptpromo_uglyjags1_815.jpg

[Go Web Go!]

Yikes. Would've worked in the 90's though.

[Go Web Go!]

Someone open a Uni discussion, pronto!

I took the liberty of making one myself.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16575258#post16575258

[Raiden]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/77051/sptpromo_uglyjags1_815.jpg

Is this for real? It looks fugly. :hehe:

[Go Web Go!]

Na. Everything you see on here is fan-made.

[Holiday]

I like the guy sometimes, but it had to be done;

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/03/06/say-goodbye-to-frank-tv/

[Go Web Go!]

Thank God we no longer have to worry about TBS shoving the damn show down our throats.

[Cmill216]

Thank God. That show was beyond awful.

[XpunkRocker]

and it ruined post season baseball

[FaT_tONle]

Other than the helmet I like the Jags uniform... I prefer the black on teal. Cut down on the gold and change the helmet and you may have something.

[Double Down]

The Rams have released Orlando Pace.

[Cunning Stunts]

Apparently, the Bucs will be wearing their fugly-ass throwbacks a few times this year as tribute to their anniversary.

[Excel]

The Pats signed Leigh Bodden He is a nasty CB :up: :up:

[The Game]

The Pats signed Leigh Bodden He is a nasty CB :up: :up:

Just not when he is in Cover 2, but he is a very good man to man corner

[Cunning Stunts]

Just not when he is in Cover 2, but he is a very good man to man corner

I might be misinterpreting what you're saying, so forgive me if I am...

But Cover 2 doesn't mean two men covering one receiver (which is called double coverage). Cover 2 is a formation that involves dropping two defensive players (usually the safeties) back into the deep portion of the field, basically splitting the Free Safety's usual duties. Usually in Cover 2, the corners ARE in man-to-man coverage (unless it's a Cover 2 Zone scheme).

[The Game]

I might be misinterpreting what you're saying, so forgive me if I am...

But Cover 2 doesn't mean two men covering one receiver (which is called double coverage). Cover 2 is a formation that involves dropping two defensive players (usually the safeties) back into the deep portion of the field, basically splitting the Free Safety's usual duties. Usually in Cover 2, the corners ARE in man-to-man coverage (unless it's a Cover 2 Zone scheme).

You are on the right track, I should have explained it by saying. In Cleveland he was asked to play on an island break up passes he was good, but in Detroit he had to cover an area of the field and have greater tackling responsibilities, he failed...hard

[Immortalfire]

Apparently, the Bucs will be wearing their fugly-ass throwbacks a few times this year as tribute to their anniversary.

In the past I've said those were the worst uniforms in history. But, after seeing the Eagles' powder blue outfits...hmmm

[The Game]

In the past I've said those were the worst uniforms in history. But, after seeing the Eagles' powder blue outfits...hmmm

http://images.bleedinggreennation.com/images/admin/WestyThrowback.jpg

How can you hate on this http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/disqo/whistle.gif

[Cunning Stunts]

In the past I've said those were the worst uniforms in history. But, after seeing the Eagles' powder blue outfits...hmmm

The Eagles' throwbacks are easily #2 in my eyes, but what sells it for the Bucs' throwbacks is that hideous color, and even uglier helmet decal.

[Alex The Great]

http://images.bleedinggreennation.com/images/admin/WestyThrowback.jpg

How can you hate on this http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/disqo/whistle.gif
The Flaming Thumbtacks!

[Silver Knight]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/77051/sptpromo_uglyjags1_815.jpg
Fantastic!

[Immortalfire]

http://images.bleedinggreennation.com/images/admin/WestyThrowback.jpg

How can you hate on this http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/disqo/whistle.gif

The Philadelphia Pac-Men

[Go Web Go!]

http://images.bleedinggreennation.com/images/admin/WestyThrowback.jpg

How can you hate on this http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/disqo/whistle.gif

These are probably the worst throwbacks in the history of throwbacks.

[Cmill216]

The Philadelphia Pac-Men

And at half time, the players come out and punch the cheerleaders.

[wiegeabo]

And at half time, the players come out and punch the cheerleaders.

I'd actually watch that Superbowl half-time show.

[Alex The Great]

The Philadelphia Pac-Men
I don't think they punch strippers.

[Immortalfire]

You guys totally didn't get it. Do I have to explain everything? :cmad:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/eagles-throwback.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/pacman.jpg

[Johnny Drama]

Apparently, the Bucs will be wearing their fugly-ass throwbacks a few times this year as tribute to their anniversary.


LMAO, I happen to miss those uniforms...

[Cunning Stunts]

LMAO, I happen to miss those uniforms...

Hahaha... SINNER!

[The Incredible Hulk]

I like the Bucs orange cremesicle uni's with the umm "festive" pirate on the helmet...

[Excel]

With the additions of Leigh Bodden, Shawn Springs, Greg Lewis, and Fred Taylor, along with 3 tops 50 picks in the top 50...it might be early, but New England headed to its 2nd title in 3 years for "Best offseason".

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ every player you mentioned is past his prime or some other teams garbage. Each one of them was released by their respective clubs last year. I think the Giants have had a FAR better offseason than the Patriots.

[Cunning Stunts]

Well, L.T. is staying in San Diego...

[Excel]

^ every player you mentioned is past his prime or some other teams garbage. Each one of them was released by their respective clubs last year. I think the Giants have had a FAR better offseason than the Patriots.

I dont see how the Giants have gotten any better, though I havent been following them that much.

Springs and Taylor are def. past their prime, but thats not saying much. However, Leigh Bodden had a pro bowl caliber year in 2007 under Romeo Crennel. Back in the same system defense in 2009, he should be back to near shut down form. That and he is only 27 and signed for 750,000. Bodden and Hobbs are to fine starters, which allow the Patriots to focus on adding a 1.) starting linebacker, 2) wide reciever depth/future #1 with their 4 picks in the 1st rounds of the draft.

Lets be serious.

1). Having Jerod Mayo paired with Brian Cushing/Clay Matthews/Aaron Maybin/James Laurenatis (its about 99% likely the Patriots will get one of them) for the next 5+ years is unfair.

2. Having Hakeem Nicks/Kenny Britt/Percy Harvin/Brian Robiskie (its about 99% likely the Pats will draft one of them) playing opposite Moss & Welker and hauling in passes from Tom Brady sounds too good to be true.

3. Getting them all in late 1st/early 2nd means their dirt cheap so Pats can resign Vince Wilfork and Logan Mankins while letting Seymour bounce next season...

4. Getting a cheap, future replacement for Richard Seymour in either Tyson Jackson (possibly at 23) or Conor Barwin or Michael Johnson (possibly at 47).

Ideally it goes for NE:

23: Brian Cushing-linebacker problem solved
34: Hakeem Nicks-wide reciever problem solved
47: Conor Barwin- can devleop under Seymour in 2009 before taking over in 2010.

Yes, that would be a dream made in heaven.

The 2009 off season not only looks to be setting the Patriots up for the upcoming season with tons of fresh and underpaid talent to provide instant impact & success, its setting them up at a lot of skill positions for the future.

[Mastodon123]

Poor Cutler
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3968896

[Cmill216]

LMAO, I happen to miss those uniforms...

I was convinced they'd never wear them because the damn things were synonymous with the team's historic futility.

But the Lombardi Trophy has seemingly washed away past offenses to the game of football.

[Cunning Stunts]

You know what sucks? This year is the last year of the salary cap... That could open up the possibility for perennial undefeated teams (i.e., the Patriots), and it could also make the league more competitive, but at the same time, it could make drastic separation in teams' records. Teams will also be able to franchise two players instead of one.

That's going to be weird... I don't yet know how I feel about it.

[Cunning Stunts]

You know what sucks? This year is the last year of the salary cap... That could open up the possibility for perennial undefeated teams (i.e., the Patriots), and it could also make the league more competitive, but at the same time, it could make drastic separation in teams' records. Teams will also be able to franchise two players instead of one.

That's going to be weird... I don't yet know how I feel about it.

[Excel]

Teams wont be able to afford many huge contracts; they only get 8 games a season. Everybody already knows the Haynesworth deal will come back to haunt Washington at some point.

Poor Cutler

Are you serious? The situation "worsens" because they tell him he is like everybody else on the team? Who does this guy think he is?

[Cmill216]

Poor Cutlerhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3968896

While I compliment McDaniels and crew for their zero tolerance "anyone can be traded" stance, you can't say that about your freaking starting quarterback, who happens to to be the best damn player on your team, and who just happens to be coming off a Pro Bowl season.

No wonder Cutler's pissed off.

[Cunning Stunts]

I wonder who would try to pick him up, should Cutler and the Broncos decide to part ways. My bets are on the Bills, Vikes, Seahawks, or Bucs.

[Alex The Great]

You guys totally didn't get it. Do I have to explain everything? :cmad:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/eagles-throwback.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/pacman.jpg
I was trying to make an Adam Jones joke :csad:

[Excel]

While I compliment McDaniels and crew for their zero tolerance "anyone can be traded" stance, you can't say that about your freaking starting quarterback, who happens to to be the best damn player on your team, and who just happens to be coming off a Pro Bowl season.

No wonder Cutler's pissed off.

Well seeing as they told him point blank that he would not be traded, he shouldnt be upset. Their point is obviously:

1) He has no right to be upset should he hear trade rumors because he is not the owner. McDaniels offense works with any QB, so Cutler is not as important as he may like to think he is.

2. THAT SAID...he is not being traded. Period. Thats straight from the owner and head coach.

Cutlers in the wrong here, any head coach would tell you that.

[Cunning Stunts]

Teams wont be able to afford many huge contracts; they only get 8 games a season. Everybody already knows the Haynesworth deal will come back to haunt Washington at some point.


That won't stop the big-market teams (like Dallas) from overhauling and pulling in massively high-powered teams.

[Mastodon123]

I wonder who would try to pick him up, should Cutler and the Broncos decide to part ways. My bets are on the Bills, Vikes, Seahawks, or Bucs.

The Bills and the Seahawks don't need a QB though. Maybe the Jets and the Lions.

[Excel]

Football teams win, not players. High powered teams make their own stars for the most part, not bring them in. It will all even out.

[Cunning Stunts]

The Bills and the Seahawks don't need a QB though. Maybe the Jets and the Lions.

The Bills don't exactly have a great QB, and why not pick up an established, young Pro Bowl QB with a rocket for an arm immediately after pulling in T.O.? Secondly, while I don't follow the Seahawks much, they also just scored T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and the mock drafts I've seen on NFL.Com have predominantly had the Seahawks taking a QB in the first round. Hasslebeck's getting old.

[Dr. Evil]

I wonder who would try to pick him up, should Cutler and the Broncos decide to part ways. My bets are on the Bills, Vikes, Seahawks, or Bucs.

I'd throw the Jets up there as well. No way in hell are they going into the regular season with Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Eric Ainge. Tampa still has Brian Griese, Seattle still has Seneca Wallace and Minnesota has Sage Rosenfels. All have started multiple games in the league. The Jets current Quarterbacks have a combined 6 regular season starts (all by Clemens). They need a veteran QB with multiple starts. It's going to be a very long season if they don't land a veteran QB. I am surprised that they haven't gone after Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich or JP Losman. If I had to rank the QB units right now, I would rank the Jets at either 31 or 32.

[Cunning Stunts]

I'd throw the Jets up there as well. No way in hell are they going into the regular season with Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Eric Ainge. Tampa still has Brian Griese, Seattle still has Seneca Wallace and Minnesota has Sage Rosenfels. All have started multiple games in the league. The Jets current Quarterbacks have a combined 6 regular season starts (all by Clemens). They need a veteran QB with multiple starts. It's going to be a very long season if they don't land a veteran QB. I am surprised that they haven't gone after Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich or JP Losman. If I had to rank the QB units right now, I would rank the Jets at either 31 or 32.

Eh, I'd honestly take Cutler over just about every one of those QBs...

Actually, no. I'd take him over ALL of them.

[Mastodon123]

The Bills don't exactly have a great QB, and why not pick up an established, young Pro Bowl QB with a rocket for an arm immediately after pulling in T.O.? Secondly, while I don't follow the Seahawks much, they also just scored T.J. Houshmandzadeh, and the mock drafts I've seen on NFL.Com have predominantly had the Seahawks taking a QB in the first round. Hasslebeck's getting old.

Trent Edwards showed promise last year, and he'll be in his 3rd year. Next season he'll have TO and Evans to throw to. I don't think they would bring Cutler and have Edwards on the sidelines. The Seahawks then probably will take QB, but they'll probably have him on the sidelines for a few years.

[NewYorkSpider]

Jeff Garcia to the Jets. I think it's going to happen.

[Mastodon123]

Apparently the Broncos think the conversation with Cutler went well. I say if Cutler doesn't show up to offseason workouts on Monday, hes gone.

[Excel]

He isn't going anywhere unless Detroit gives up both 1st round picks which would be beyond dumb.

[NewYorkSpider]

They might as well get rid of him if he's going to be a problem.

[Mastodon123]

He isn't going anywhere unless Detroit gives up both 1st round picks which would be beyond dumb.

The thing with that is the Broncos can't afford to sign a 1st overall pick.

[Excel]

If they get rid of Cutlers contract they probably could.

[NewYorkSpider]

Jay Cutler for Julius Peppers? It's not a bad trade. Both teams get what they want and both players are happy. Peppers gets on the 3-4 defense that he wants to be on and Cutler is out of Denver.

[Excel]

Denver would have to be sure they got Staff ro Sanchez then.

[Silver Knight]

Jeff Garcia to the Jets. I think it's going to happen.
That would be a good fit.

[The Incredible Hulk]

He isn't going anywhere unless Detroit gives up both 1st round picks which would be beyond dumb.

Cutler isnt worth 2 first rounders. The Lions could likely get him for the first overall or the 20th and later round pick, according to the draft valuation chart.

[Franklin Richards]

Did I miss something or did the Cowboys just pick up a safety that's been in jail 3 times?



:doom: :doom: :doom:

[Dark Donnie]

Did you expect better judgement from The Cowboys FO?

[Raiden]

I'd throw the Jets up there as well. No way in hell are they going into the regular season with Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Eric Ainge. Tampa still has Brian Griese, Seattle still has Seneca Wallace and Minnesota has Sage Rosenfels. All have started multiple games in the league. The Jets current Quarterbacks have a combined 6 regular season starts (all by Clemens). They need a veteran QB with multiple starts. It's going to be a very long season if they don't land a veteran QB. I am surprised that they haven't gone after Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich or JP Losman. If I had to rank the QB units right now, I would rank the Jets at either 31 or 32.

I agree. I found it mind-boggling that they are trying to upgrade their defense in the off-season, but it won't help them win games unless they have a good QB. QB should be their #1 priority, and so far it seems like they are just waiting to pick up a new QB off the draft, and that won't help them this upcoming season at all. Not every QB off the draft will become Matt Ryan.

[FaT_tONle]

I'd throw the Jets up there as well. No way in hell are they going into the regular season with Kellen Clemens, Brett Ratliff and Eric Ainge. Tampa still has Brian Griese, Seattle still has Seneca Wallace and Minnesota has Sage Rosenfels. All have started multiple games in the league. The Jets current Quarterbacks have a combined 6 regular season starts (all by Clemens). They need a veteran QB with multiple starts. It's going to be a very long season if they don't land a veteran QB. I am surprised that they haven't gone after Rex Grossman, Kyle Boller, Jeff Garcia, Byron Leftwich or JP Losman. If I had to rank the QB units right now, I would rank the Jets at either 31 or 32.

Jets don't have the chips for Cutler unless they give up their draft.

I agree. I found it mind-boggling that they are trying to upgrade their defense in the off-season, but it won't help them win games unless they have a good QB. QB should be their #1 priority, and so far it seems like they are just waiting to pick up a new QB off the draft, and that won't help them this upcoming season at all. Not every QB off the draft will become Matt Ryan.

I think the number one priority should be wideout for the draft. I don't know how they let Chris Baker go to the Pats... TERRIBLE job by Mr. T. So they'll need another TE. And Sheppard is overrated so I think they need another corner. More RB depth as well. Also we don't know what Gholston is going to be so they may need pass rushers and D-line. They need just about everything... I wouldn't draft QB in the first round.

[DChero]

I really believe Leftwich may be just as good a fit for the Jets as Garcia would be. Both are certainly great, Garcia adds a secondary threat in his legs, but Leftwich's cannon would be great to open up the field for Jones' running game. I guess the Giants would be a good example to use here, their running game was such a threat that it allowed Manning the opportunities to go over the top.

Just an idea.

[FaT_tONle]

I don't think Garcia can throw up here... plus Shottenheimer wants a guy that can stretch the field. Leftwich is a better guy. I don't think the Jets O-line is good enough where they can keep a pocket passer like Byron upright... but not everyone has legs. Leftwich would be a good fit though... but they need to make a decision quick... I am in no hurry if I am either of those guys to sign with a team. I think T.O should have waited after the draft as well.

[Erzengel]

I don't think Leftwich is a full time quarterback anymore, he's good at being a back up only.

[StorminNorman]

I don't think Leftwich is a full time quarterback anymore, he's good at being a back up only.

I'm not so sure. Leftwich never had a receiver to throw to, and I think he showed enough last year to have a chance to earn a starting position. He shouldn't be signed on the assumption he can be the franchise QB, but I think he could still become one.

[Erzengel]

I was impressed with the 2-3 games I saw him play last year but the question of if he can stay healthy all year is the question teams should ask.

[DChero]

I do agree with Norm, he deserves the chance to compete and shouldn't be assumed the franchise QB the Jets need. If Clemens is as good as they believe then they should have nothing to worry about. If he doesn't produce in preseason then he can be a great backup.

[Dr. Evil]

I agree. I found it mind-boggling that they are trying to upgrade their defense in the off-season, but it won't help them win games unless they have a good QB. QB should be their #1 priority, and so far it seems like they are just waiting to pick up a new QB off the draft, and that won't help them this upcoming season at all. Not every QB off the draft will become Matt Ryan.

Nope. They need a veteran QB with more then six starts. It's going to be a long season for the Jets.

[Mastodon123]

I think if the Lions some how end up getting Jay Cutler in a trade, the curse of Bobby Layne would be over.

[Alex The Great]

ah jesus, so the bronocs ARE shopping Cutler?

Idiots. Cutler is a great young QB.

[Mister J]

Granted I don't have personal knowledge of the situation, and can only go off the speculated chatter that the media reports, but I'm firmly of the opinion that Cutler is behaving like a whiny little *****.

[Immortalfire]

Stuck up Vanderbilt grad :cmad:

[Alex The Great]

Yes he is.....But I would too.
You do a good job during the season and now your been shopped. eh, that's my opinion anyways.

[Johnny Drama]

Well, L.T. is staying in San Diego...


It's like when the gorgeous woman who can do better won't leave her abusive husband...

[NewYorkSpider]

I don't think Garcia can throw up here... plus Shottenheimer wants a guy that can stretch the field. Leftwich is a better guy. I don't think the Jets O-line is good enough where they can keep a pocket passer like Byron upright... but not everyone has legs. Leftwich would be a good fit though... but they need to make a decision quick... I am in no hurry if I am either of those guys to sign with a team. I think T.O should have waited after the draft as well.


I think Garcia or Leftwich would be a good fit for the Jets. They need someone with QB expierence on that team. Garcia is my choice because he has that. And I agree with you about T.O. He should have waited after the draft.


Edit: CB Ken Lucas is released by Panthers.

[FaT_tONle]

Jets already brought in a veteran last year... why rehash when they are a wild card team at best? Leftwich is still young so maybe... but Garcia is a backup at best at this point. He's not a 16 game QB anymore. I just think with Rex Ryan in there it's time to build a defense. Jets didn't lose games because of Farve... their defense could not step up against the likes of Denver, SF, Seattle... defense basically quit on the team.

[DChero]

Jets already brought in a veteran last year... why rehash when they are a wild card team at best? Leftwich is still young so maybe... but Garcia is a backup at best at this point. He's not a 16 game QB anymore. I just think with Rex Ryan in there it's time to build a defense. Jets didn't lose games because of Farve... their defense could not step up against the likes of Denver, SF, Seattle... defense basically quit on the team.
Yes, their defense needed serious rejuvenation, but playing Brady twice a year isn't just a defensive struggle. They have the talent, and supposedly the coaching, but they need a quarterback with the chops.

I'm certainly not an expert on the Jets quarterback situation, but I did watch Brett Favre, and he wasn't the biggest problem. Hell, he only was a problem when the defense couldn't keep up.

From what I understand, Clemens isn't exactly an NFL starter. Matt Cassel had the same problem last year, but he had a great receiving core. Is Clemens really expected to have the same luck?

[Excel]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2itfzgj.jpg

[NewYorkSpider]

Jets already brought in a veteran last year... why rehash when they are a wild card team at best? Leftwich is still young so maybe... but Garcia is a backup at best at this point. He's not a 16 game QB anymore. I just think with Rex Ryan in there it's time to build a defense. Jets didn't lose games because of Farve... their defense could not step up against the likes of Denver, SF, Seattle... defense basically quit on the team.

Leftwich is injury prone. I don't know how many times he's been out with an ankle injury. Garcia hasn't been injured that much and has possibly not been injured at all during his NFL career. Rex Ryan is already working on the defense. They signed Bart Scott to a deal and I'm sure they'll go defense with their first pick. I don't think they should draft Sanchez. IMO, he's gonna be a bust.

[Cmill216]

their defense could not step up against the likes of Denver, SF, Seattle... defense basically quit on the team.

The defense gave up 13 points to Seattle.

And it's hard not to give up points to some of those other teams when Favre keeps giving it back to their offenses. Brett was the MAIN reason the Jets failed to reach the playoffs.

[FaT_tONle]

The defense gave up 13 points to Seattle.

And it's hard not to give up points to some of those other teams when Favre keeps giving it back to their offenses. Brett was the MAIN reason the Jets failed to reach the playoffs.

No he wasn't... the defense was dog ****... you live in TB and look at the box score. I saw what happened... that was a O-line off the streets... and the Jets needed 20 seconds to put a finger on the QB. The defense collapsed... made Mike Martz 49ers look like his old Ram teams that game as well... Made Losman look like Marino. That's why they aren't thinking QB. Collapses like that don't happen unless your defense flat out sticks.

[NewYorkSpider]

Losman looked like Marino? :huh: Losman only threw for 148 yds in that game during the Jets. He aslo threw 3 INT.

Brett Favre in the final 5 games.

TD - 2
INT - 9

I agree with Cmill, the Jets failed to reach the playoffs because of Favre.

[danielisthor]

Brett Favre

Wk 13 vs - Denver (L) 23-43 247yds 0td - 1int. sacked 2x for 6yds. 7pts off his pick

Wk 14 at - San Fran (L) 20-31 137yds 0td - 1int. sacked 3x for 14yds. The last 2 drives, Favre was picked to end a drive and was sacked on consecutive plays to end the game

wk 15 vs - Buffalo (W) 17 -30 207yds. 1td - 2ints. 0 sackes. 13pts off his 2picks.

wk 16 at - Seattle (L) 18 - 31 187yds. 0td - 2ints. 4x sacked for 37yds. 2nd pick ended the game for the Jets.

wk 17 -vs- Miami (L) 20-40 233yds. 1td - 3int. 0 sacks. Pick 6 to a rookie defensive lineman.

I think Brett can take a good share of the credit for the Jets collapse.

[LegendaryCaleb]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2itfzgj.jpg
lol...good luck buffalo!

[Dark Donnie]

Losman looked like Marino? :huh: Losman only threw for 148 yds in that game during the Jets. He aslo threw 3 INT.

Brett Favre in the final 5 games.

TD - 2
INT - 9

I agree with Cmill, the Jets failed to reach the playoffs because of Favre.

Yeah, there's no doubt the defense was the reason for there crumble.

[Immortalfire]

Do not say the BF words! :csad:

[Johnny Drama]

Do not say the BF words! :csad:


Immortalfire, what part of Tampa do you live in? I'm in the Town & Country area...

[Immortalfire]

I don't, bro. I'm in Georgia :cool:

[Johnny Drama]

I thought someone said you were in Tampa. What part of Georgia?

I've stayed in Augusta, Atlanta and Savannah

[Immortalfire]

Athens

I am going to get the freakin liar that said that :cmad: :oldrazz:

[Johnny Drama]

Athens

I am going to get the freakin liar that said that :cmad: :oldrazz:


It was actually my fault, I misread FaT_tONle's post...

****... you live in TB and look at the box score.

[Cmill216]

you live in TB and look at the box score. I saw what happened...

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

My god....

[The Incredible Hulk]

No he wasn't... the defense was dog ****... you live in TB and look at the box score. I saw what happened... .

ah the Ny sense of superiority reaers its ugly head....Now if only there were some way where people in other markets could watch games of all the teams each Sunday. If only the rest of us out in the boonies had those new fangled TV's with them thar satellite dishes like you fancy pants NYers.... :rolleyes:

http://i40.tinypic.com/2itfzgj.jpg

As James Hardy says "WTF?"

[BlackLantern]

It's like when the gorgeous woman who can do better won't leave her abusive husband...

that's because San Diego is so nice.....for the exception of a couple weeks in December when it rains, its between low 70's and high 80's most of the year....and if you're a sports team there who doesn't make the post season you just go back to SD and hit the beach....it's not like if you play for Cincinnati or something, you lose a playoff game and you have to go back to Ohio....

[Go Web Go!]

http://i40.tinypic.com/2itfzgj.jpg

Hitler's going to be pissed.

[FaT_tONle]

Blame those Farve numbers on Shotty's horrible play calling as well. Jets have no play makers on the outside. But everyone wants to look at the QB first and foremost. I mean what did Denver, TB, Jets have in common? Defenses absolutely collapsed... Jenkins did not show up the last month of the season. Seneca Wallace basically was knocked down once in that game behind an O-line where FOUR guys had less than a combined 20 starts. That's what you call a defensive collapse. And I know for a FACT they did not bring in Rex Ryan to straighten out the QB situation or the offense. There is a reason why they have been bringing in defensive players left and right. I am not saying they do not need a QB... I am saying there isn't one out there right now that is worth getting.

[StorminNorman]

You can't blame Farve's interceptions on anyone but number 4.

[Immortalfire]

You can't blame Farve's interceptions on anyone but number 4.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/immortalfire/madden.jpg

[DChero]

You can't blame Farve's interceptions on anyone but number 4.
No you can't, but you can spread some blame to the defense leaving him in situations that make him have to throw.

It's no secret that Favre has lost a step, but don't forget how well he was in the first 3/4 of the season. There was a collapse at the end of the season, but he did get them to the top of the division at one point.

[danielisthor]

No you can't, but you can spread some blame to the defense leaving him in situations that make him have to throw.

It's no secret that Favre has lost a step, but don't forget how well he was in the first 3/4 of the season. There was a collapse at the end of the season, but he did get them to the top of the division at one point.

What about blaming him and his 9picks over those 5 games that put the defense back on the field?!?!

And to toss more on BF, maybe if he had learned something called game management in his 15yrs in the league and dropped his superman persona everytime he dropped back to pass and hit the underneath pattern instead of pushing his luck over the top or down the middle, the Jets might of made the postseason instead of choking like the Jets do.

J-E-T-S SUCKS SUCKS CHOKES.

[Mastodon123]

You can't really blame Favre for hurting his arm and playing the way he did those last five games. Its the coaches fault for not pulling him out of those games. I think Favre even admitted he should have been pulled.

[danielisthor]

You can't really blame Favre for hurting his arm and playing the way he did those last five games. Its the coaches fault for not pulling him out of those games. I think Favre even admitted he should have been pulled.


Favre would never admit to that, it would damage his ego and deflate his persona of being a football God.

I think it was Jones who said he should of been yanked.

[Mastodon123]

Favre would never admit to that, it would damage his ego and deflate his persona of being a football God.

I think it was Jones who said he should of been yanked.

Either way it was Mangini's fault.

[danielisthor]

Either way it was Mangini's fault.

that's why he's now in cleveland

[DChero]

Eh, I'm really not a huge Favre fan after the whole "retirement" last year, so I consider my view fairly objective. His game management certainly is in question, I'm just not sold on him taking as much blame as he did, the same way I don't award 100% credit to him when they win. The only way we could have really made a comparison is to have seen what Clemens can do, and we won't really see that until (possibly) this season.

[Mastodon123]

that's why he's now in cleveland

Yup, and I smell fail on the horizon.

[FaT_tONle]

Either way it was Mangini's fault.

Absolutely... the team quit on him... he did not get through to the players... I felt bad for him... but he deserved the axe... as did Shannahan/Gruden. You can't blow leads like that... Farve was a reason... the MAIN reason??? Please...

[Dr. Evil]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/12/albert-haynesworth-indicted-for-car-accident/

Goddell may want to speak to him.

[Raiden]

Absolutely... the team quit on him... he did not get through to the players... I felt bad for him... but he deserved the axe... as did Shannahan/Gruden. You can't blow leads like that... Farve was a reason... the MAIN reason??? Please...

I agree. Mangini had lost the locker room, and thus the players had tone him out in the final stretch of the season. Losing to 'Fins (esp. against Pennington, who was a Jet for 8 seasons) was inexcusable. Maybe Mangini will improve his coaching skill in Cleveland, but I don't think he'll be able to make Browns that much better.

[StorminNorman]

Apparently the Panthers payed the most attention to Pat White today at his Pro Bow.

I have them taking him in the second. :)

[danielisthor]

Yup, and I smell fail on the horizon.

For Cleveland, New York Jets or both? I'm betting both. But of course being a Dolfan, I always root for the Jets to fail.

[Dr. Evil]

Apparently the Panthers payed the most attention to Pat White today at his Pro Bow.

I have them taking him in the second. :)

As what?

[Mastodon123]

For Cleveland, New York Jets or both? I'm betting both. But of course being a Dolfan, I always root for the Jets to fail.

Cleveland. I've read Mangini has already pissed some people off there.

[vindrow]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/12/albert-haynesworth-indicted-for-car-accident/

Goddell may want to speak to him.



Welp, there goes Haynesworth's signing bonus.

[Excel]

As what?


A Qb...

[Darthphere]

...ish.

[RAMORE]

Absolutely... the team quit on him... he did not get through to the players... I felt bad for him... but he deserved the axe... as did Shannahan/Gruden. You can't blow leads like that... Farve was a reason... the MAIN reason??? Please...

Exactly a collapse like that falls to the head coach.

[The Game]

As what?

A hybrid

[StorminNorman]

The Panthers were looking at Pat White as a QB first.

[vindrow]

They sold the farm to pay for RayRay.

KFFL - Ravens | Rolle to be released
Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:12:20 -0700
Patrick Brougham, of JOCKlife.com, reports the Baltimore Ravens will release CB Samari Rolle, according to a league source.

[StorminNorman]

Rolle asked to be released.

[danielisthor]

Not that we were actually that involved in Free Agency, Omar Kelly of the Ft. Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel was told by the Fins that they are finished with Free Agency and are working solely on the draft. We re-signed 3 of our own starters, Carey, Crowder and Bell, signed a new center in Grove, and a backup c/g and cb. We also signed a new FS in Wilson. Not a bad start to the offseason.

[Darthphere]

All we need now is an actual receiver and we can actually do something.

[KALEL114]

No surprise here, but Holt just got released by the Rams.

[KALEL114]

On the move? Cutler puts his house up for sale.

He still has a downtown penthouse though.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11906852

[Alex The Great]

Damn it Denver, don't do this....:csad:

[BlackLantern]

Denver shouldn't have lied then.....He was ticked because he was told Denver wasn't shopping him when they were, and then when they were caught out, they still wouldn't admit they were shopping him....that's ********

[Alex The Great]

So....who's going to replace Cutler? hm?

[BlackLantern]

So....who's going to replace Cutler? hm?

that kid in your avy.....he works for donuts....and pie

[StorminNorman]

Mathew Stafford would have to be the leading contender right now. Detroit shouldn't think twice about a deal offering Cutler for their first pick.

Of course Sanchez would be available at 12...so they could trade Cutler for multiple picks.

Either way, I would expect a trade to happen near or on draft day.

[Excel]

I dont think he is going anywhere; he is becoming the terrell owens of qbs but much younger.

[The Incredible Hulk]

On the move? Cutler puts his house up for sale.

He still has a downtown penthouse though.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11906852

yesss...everything is coming along nicely. [/Emperor]

So....who's going to replace Cutler? hm?

Hopefully one of the first round rookies after the Lions trade them the 20th overall for him.

Mathew Stafford would have to be the leading contender right now. Detroit shouldn't think twice about a deal offering Cutler for their first pick.

Of course Sanchez would be available at 12...so they could trade Cutler for multiple picks.

Either way, I would expect a trade to happen near or on draft day.

I don't see the Lions dealing #1 for Cutler. I don't think Denver would even ask for that much. Plus, the more he wants out and the more that situation deteriorates, they'll lose bargaining power unless they can strum up a bidding war. However nobody else has the ammo the Lions have. The only other team with 2 1st rounders (Philly) doesnt need a QB.

That being said, I could see them dealing him to the Lions for #20 overall, and then Denver packaging # 19 and #20 to a team like the Jags, Packers, or 49ers to move up into the top 10 to take Sanchez (provided Stafford isnt still out there at those picks).

[Mastodon123]

The Broncos don't have the cash to sign a #1 overall pick anyways, so they're not getting the Lions #1 pick.

Now this is interesting.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/11/794217/jay-cutler-bus-cook-and-th

[Dr. Evil]

Jets sign DE Marques Douglas

[Cunning Stunts]

yesss...everything is coming along nicely. [/Emperor]



Hopefully one of the first round rookies after the Lions trade them the 20th overall for him.



I don't see the Lions dealing #1 for Cutler. I don't think Denver would even ask for that much. Plus, the more he wants out and the more that situation deteriorates, they'll lose bargaining power unless they can strum up a bidding war. However nobody else has the ammo the Lions have. The only other team with 2 1st rounders (Philly) doesnt need a QB.

That being said, I could see them dealing him to the Lions for #20 overall, and then Denver packaging # 19 and #20 to a team like the Jags, Packers, or 49ers to move up into the top 10 to take Sanchez (provided Stafford isnt still out there at those picks).

It's not necessarily about what they ask for, it's about what he's worth given a certain scale.

I personally don't know how that scale works, but from what I've heard, Cutler would be worth the Number 1 pick (Denver might have to throw in one of their own picks or something).

[NewYorkSpider]

The Broncos need to do one of two things in the coming days. One, tell Jay Culter he will be traded before the draft or during it. This will tell teams he's on the trading block and the right deal could get in place. Two, tell Cutler to STFU, you're playing in week one.

[danielisthor]

IMO, Cutler, Denvers 1st and 3rd rounders would be fair compensation for the #1.

[Mastodon123]

IMO, Cutler, Denvers 1st and 3rd rounders would be fair compensation for the #1.

Denver doesn't have the cap space to sign a player drafted at #1 though. The #1 pick usually gets a big contract, and look of the all the signings they've made this offseason. I don't see it happening.

Theres rumors the Lions would be willing to trade Calvin Johnson and a draft pick for Cutler. Bad move imo.

[danielisthor]

Remember that this is the last "cap" year unless the owners and players get moving on a new contract.

[Dr. Evil]

Rumored Trade:

Lions DT Cory Redding to Seattle for LB Julian Peterson and a draft pick.

Only rumored right now.

[Silver Knight]

Theres rumors the Lions would be willing to trade Calvin Johnson and a draft pick for Cutler. Bad move imo.
Will never happen. Ever.

[Dark Donnie]

Julian Peterson-LB-Lions Mar. 14 - 1:25 pm et

According to FoxSports.com's Alex Marvez, the Seahawks have traded LB Julian Peterson to the Lions for DT Cory Redding. SI's Peter King is confirming.
PFT first reported the rumor, with MLive.com confirming that the talks were ongoing. Marvez and King are reporting that the deal has been completed. It's believed that Seattle will receive a fifth-round pick as well. Redding is expected to restructure his original seven-year, $49 million deal as part of the agreement. Peterson, 30, returns home to Michigan after refusing to take a pay cut in Seattle. The Lions are now set to draft a quarterback or offensive tackle with the No. 1 overall pick.
Source: FoxSports.com

[FaT_tONle]

Jets sign DE Marques Douglas

They already release S. Ellis no? Good pickup.

And I don't think a 1st and 3rd will be enough for Cutler... maybe a top ten pick. That's why I don't think a team will pull the trigger unless they package another chip in there. Certainly won't be the Lions unless they trade down.

[Johnny Drama]

The Broncos need to do one of two things in the coming days. One, tell Jay Culter he will be traded before the draft or during it. This will tell teams he's on the trading block and the right deal could get in place. Two, tell Cutler to STFU, you're playing in week one.


Co-sign...

[Go Web Go!]

Miami Beach Police were questioning NFL wide-receiver Donte Stallworth in connection with the death of a pedestrian hit and killed on the McArthur Causeway Saturday morning.

Traffic on the McArthur, Venetian and Julia Tuttle causeways was backed up to the mainland for hours Saturday because of the accident, which happened near the stoplight at Terminal Island near Fisher Island.

Stallworth was headed eastbound when the accident happened at 7:17 a.m., according to Det. Juan Sanchez, a police spokesman. Police had not released the name of the pedestrian.

Sanchez said Stallworth is cooperating with the police investigation. Officers drew blood from Stallworth at the scene, a way to determine if he was drinking. It is routine for officers to draw blood after fatal accidents.

Stallworth, 28, has not been charged. A police source said he was driving a black Bentley.

A Bentley with heavy front-end damage and without its passenger side mirror was towed into the police parking lot about 1 p.m.

Stallworth has played for four different teams in the past four years and is coming off the least productive of his seven NFL seasons. Stallworth signed a seven-year, $35 million contract with the Cleveland Browns last March but missed five of the Browns' 16 games last season with a quadriceps injury. He finished with career lows in receptions (17) and yards (170).



Knowing the NFL, Stallworth will be on the field come September because the only players that get suspensions are those that punch strippers and kill dogs.

[danielisthor]

And I don't think a 1st and 3rd will be enough for Cutler... maybe a top ten pick. That's why I don't think a team will pull the trigger unless they package another chip in there. Certainly won't be the Lions unless they trade down.

If you're referring back to my post, I think for Detriot's #1overall, it would take Cutler and Denver's 1st and 3rd round picks. Maybe Detriot would give back one of the 2nd day picks Dallas gave them. Teams covet draft picks and are generally percieved to be worth more than established veterans.

[danielisthor]

Knowing the NFL, Stallworth will be on the field come September because the only players that get suspensions are those that punch strippers and kill dogs.

true. Goddell might take some green though. Joey Porter did get fined for punching that lineman in Vegas. It's only when you get busted for cocaine that nothing happens to you ahem Matt Jones ahem.

[Go Web Go!]

Yeah. Matt Jones, twice.

[Mister J]

Matt Jones was suspended for three games, following his appeal of the initial ruling.

[Alex The Great]

Matt Jones was suspended for three games, following his appeal of the initial ruling.
ho' snapz.

I wonder what the Mammal Fish are up to...

[StorminNorman]

It looks like the Lions are really positioning themselves to get Stafford.

They have added depth to the tackle spot, they have received a Pro-Bowl linebacker in Peterson. This move makes Raji a possible target by Detroit, but I find it hard to look at him as the first pick taken in this draft. Plus with all the changes made to the franchise as a whole: new coach, new management, new logo/uniforms a new QB is exactly the sort of image they would want.

If Detroit does not make a trade for Cutler, I think Detroit #7 jerseys are going to be a big hit.

[StorminNorman]

Yeah. Matt Jones, twice.

You can't say nothing happened to Matt Jones for his two incidents because he WAS suspended for his first problem and his second arrest was made like a week ago. :huh:

[Dr. Evil]

Joey Galloway signs with New England

[FaT_tONle]

If you're referring back to my post, I think for Detriot's #1overall, it would take Cutler and Denver's 1st and 3rd round picks. Maybe Detriot would give back one of the 2nd day picks Dallas gave them. Teams covet draft picks and are generally percieved to be worth more than established veterans.

That is a HORRIBLE trade for Denver.

[Excel]

Joey Galloway signs with New England

Chyea! :up:

[FaT_tONle]

New England and their receivers... maybe they forgot the concept that defense wins championships... who has been there biggest defensive signing? S. Springs??? It's a good thing they have some extra draft picks.

[StorminNorman]

How does New England signing a WR hurt their defense in anyway? How does signing multiple receivers hurt their defense in anyway? They have no problems at all with cap space, and there is at least one more wave of notable free agents.

[danielisthor]

That is a HORRIBLE trade for Denver.

The number one pick isn't cheap. Neither in compensation for acquiring that pick or signing that pick.

You can probably count on 1 hand the number of veterans that are worth the first overall pick in the draft and Cutler isn't even close.

[danielisthor]

I think this will be a heavily defense loading draft for the Patriots. They have like 4 or 5 picks in the first couple of rounds. I can see them drafting a few lb's, a safety, nt and just reload that d.

[danielisthor]

You can't say nothing happened to Matt Jones for his two incidents because he WAS suspended for his first problem and his second arrest was made like a week ago. :huh:

Well I would say 3 games wasn't enough, especially for being busted for coke. If I remember correctly, he was suspended for the last 3 games of the season, when the team was already out of it.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Denver doesn't have the cap space to sign a player drafted at #1 though. The #1 pick usually gets a big contract, and look of the all the signings they've made this offseason. I don't see it happening.

I was under the impression that each team got a separate "rookie cap" and based on where they drafted and how many picks they have that number varies from team to team. I was alos under the impression that this is separate from the regular roster cap.


Theres rumors the Lions would be willing to trade Calvin Johnson and a draft pick for Cutler. Bad move imo.

That would be like the guy in the fable who sold his pocket watch to buy his wife hairbursh and found out she sold her hair to buy him a watch chain.

Rumored Trade:

Lions DT Cory Redding to Seattle for LB Julian Peterson and a draft pick.

Only rumored right now.

this was pretty much a dump of Redding's ridiculous salary for Peterson's expiring contract.

It looks like the Lions are really positioning themselves to get Stafford.

They have added depth to the tackle spot,

we have? :confused:

they have received a Pro-Bowl linebacker in Peterson. This move makes Raji a possible target by Detroit, but I find it hard to look at him as the first pick taken in this draft. Plus with all the changes made to the franchise as a whole: new coach, new management, new logo/uniforms a new QB is exactly the sort of image they would want.

If Detroit does not make a trade for Cutler, I think Detroit #7 jerseys are going to be a big hit.

I think a lot of people still have #3 jerseys balled up in their closets.

[Silver Knight]

Who are the best WR's and RB's in this years draft?

[StorminNorman]

The number one pick isn't cheap. Neither in compensation for acquiring that pick or signing that pick.

Actually the value chart for draft picks is completely out of date. Because of contract, the number one pick isn't very valuable any more. If Detroit can get Cutler with the first pick, its a good deal - you are essentially drafting a Pro Bowl QB at number one, thats always a good move.

You can probably count on 1 hand the number of veterans that are worth the first overall pick in the draft and Cutler isn't even close.

Cutler's a damn good QB, he is well worth it.

Well I would say 3 games wasn't enough, especially for being busted for coke. If I remember correctly, he was suspended for the last 3 games of the season, when the team was already out of it.

Coke isn't really such a big deal compared to assault, dog violence, etc. Drugs are not physical abuse of an innocent.

That would be like the guy in the fable who sold his pocket watch to buy his wife hairbursh and found out she sold her hair to buy him a watch chain.

Its obvious that if Denver ever tried to trade for Cutler, they would be trading Brandon Marshall with him. Cutler, Marshall for Johnson and number 1. Good trade.

this was pretty much a dump of Redding's ridiculous salary for Peterson's expiring contract.

And in doing so they made WLB no longer an issue.

we have? :confused:

Picked up Loper, that combined with Bachus and last years draft pick gives a serviceable set of tackles. Especially when you may have a chance at Andre Smith or Michael Oher at 20.

[Excel]

There is a fine line between having excellent talent and making good decisions. Cutler has the talent, its obvious, but the decision making is not quite there yet. It is for Cassel.

[Go Web Go!]

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Jay Cutler finally met face-to-face with Josh McDaniels over the weekend, but nothing was resolved, leading to doubt that the quarterback will show up for the new coach's first team meeting Monday.

Team spokesman Patrick Smyth told The Associated Press on Sunday that the coach and quarterback involved in a simmering feud over trade talks met Saturday at the team's training facility and both sides agreed to regroup and continue conversations.

Denver station KCNC-TV reported that the meeting didn't go well, and The Denver Post reported that words were exchanged between Cutler and McDaniels.

The Broncos insist they're not going to trade Cutler.

- The 4 letter network

[SurfDUI]

Cutler's a damn good QB, he is well worth it.

I'm still stunned Denver is willing to roll the dice so hard on this,
Keep Cutler

Coke isn't really such a big deal compared to assault, dog violence, etc. Drugs are not physical abuse of an innocent.

Well don't discount the hardship, and serious evasion of the law in gettin that Coke to dude's nose-let a bundle be short and best beilive there will be physical abuse. In the eyes of the law, and Surfer a felon is a felon. Good thing them dudes are the league...try to land another gig w/ either felony assult, felony dog ring fighting or felony assult floating over your head in the 'real'world.

[Alex The Great]

Joey Galloway signs with New England
yayz.
But please, get some ****ing Defense :facepalm

[StorminNorman]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Cutler ends up in Cleveland.

[Excel]

Cutler for Quinn and a 3rd rounder would be fair.

[FaT_tONle]

The number one pick isn't cheap. Neither in compensation for acquiring that pick or signing that pick.

You can probably count on 1 hand the number of veterans that are worth the first overall pick in the draft and Cutler isn't even close.

I still think it's too much... I was thinking along the lines of:

Broncos: Browns' 1st round pick (5th overall), Browns 2nd round pick (50th overall from TB), Quinn.
Browns: Cutler, Denvers 1st round pick (12th overall).

Or for a bigger blockbuster... get a three way deal going:

Edit:

Browns: Cutler, Brandon Marshall, 65th overall (from Detroit)
Denver: 1st overall pick, 20th overall (Detroit from Dallas), 50th overall (from Clevland)
Detroit: Quinn, Braylon Edwards, 5th overall (from Clevland), 12th overall (from Denver)

Made A LOT of changes to that three way deal. Had a hard time figuring how to work Detroit in the deal... not that it will ever happen.

[danielisthor]

yayz.
But please, get some ****ing Defense :facepalm

It's coming in the draft.