2009 NFL Thread

[Bond]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season?

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?

Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league?

What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with.

Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice?

How will Mangini do in Cleveland?

Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all?

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?

Dsicuss.

[Immortalfire]

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?
No

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?
If Kurt returns, look out.

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?
Owens will retire, and go into selling Amway.

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?
Do chickens have lips?

Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league?
Perhaps.

What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with.
Something better happen pretty damn quick. The calls in the playoffs were horrific.

Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice?
Felix is a beast. He stays healthy, they have a super star runner.

How will Mangini do in Cleveland?
He won't.

Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all?
Wade will be too busy planning his post game buffet to notice.

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?
I hate to see anyone get injured and miss so much time, but if it doesn't work they way they thought, NE can relax knowing Cassel is there.

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?
No. No. Depends on how much whining goes on.

[The Game]

last season was nice to see the meh teams making the playoffs but I want to see all the big dawgs back to form

[NewYorkSpider]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season? The Steelers need to work on their offensive line. If they can work on this problem, get the running game back in the offense, they'll be looking to repeat.

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses? No. Wade Phillips is not the right coach for Dallas.

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again? Super Bowl hangover?

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room? T.O will be in a Cowboys uniform.

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?
Maybe. Like John Clayton said, he could try to convince the Jets to trade him to a team of his choosing. Minnesota?

Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league? He'll remain healthy, but he'll be an average back at best.

What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with. There are some issues they need to address. The play clock in the Ravens/Titans game is an issue. My idea would be to give the referee a buzzer that would go off, or something like the NBA has when the shot clock expires.

Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice? Dallas is far more dangerous through the air. The running back's will be average.

How will Mangini do in Cleveland? He'll get the Browns to about .500. They should have a decent team in a few years.

Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all? Roy Williams should have more playing time in his first full year with the Cowboys, but he'll always be overshadowed with Owens and Witten on the team.

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there? Brady will be a little rusty to start the season, but they'll pick it up as the season progresses. They may have a season like the Colts did last season, only they will go deeper in the playoffs.

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games? Maybe. Yes. Yes.

[Raiden]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season?

I think Steelers will be in great shape in 2010. If they can address some of their glaring weaknesses, like the O-line, then I think with that potent defense they will be making another run to SB. Oh, and Mendenhall should be back healthy, giving them two backs who can take the load off Big Ben.

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?

No.

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?

If they have Warner back, him and Larry Fitzgerald will become the dangerous TD combo in the NFL.

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?

As much as I think Cowboys should let him go, I don't think Jerry Jones would, given his infatuation with egoistic players.

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?

I think it will come down to the wires, like last season.

Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league?

I think so.

What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with.

To fix this problem, first Goodell have to admit that there is a problem to begin with, and so far he hasn't indicated that he thinks the officialling needs to be fixed.

Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice?

Remains to be seen.

How will Mangini do in Cleveland?

Not as good as Rex Ryan in New York.

Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all?

I think Cowboys will become stagnate in 2010.

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?

I don't think he will become the vintage 2007 Brady right away, as he will be coming off surgery and rehab. But it doesn't matter, as long Pats still have Cassel.

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?

Nah.

[Immortalfire]

I look for a stronger, better Falcons team in '09. Everyone will be back, and with whomever we add on the offense and defensive lines via FA and the draft....watch out for Atlanta.

[NewYorkSpider]

I look for a stronger, better Falcons team in '09. Everyone will be back, and with whomever we add on the offense and defensive lines via FA and the draft....watch out for Atlanta.

The Falcons should have it easy this coming season to win the divison. The Panthers could be losing a key defensive threat in Julius Peppers as well as a key offensive lineman in Jordan Gross, the Bucs have a new coach/ older team and the Saints are just the Saints.

[StorminNorman]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season?

They will not repeat. Period. I don't know why, but something will happen.

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?

I am going to say yes.

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?

I think Warner will stay, and I think they will win their division again.

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?

The Cowboys will not let him go and he will continue doing T.O. **** and whatever.

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?

Yes.

Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league?

Barber will remain healthy, but he's an elite back.

What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with.

Something will be done, review will be tweaked and there will be a few cosmetic changes.

Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice?

Yes.

How will Mangini do in Cleveland?

I think Mangini will be a much better coach his second time around. Just like this guy I heard of...Belicheck?

Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all?

Maybe.

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?

Tom Brady will do great Tom Brady stuff and Randy Moss is still Randy Moss.

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?

I am not sure.

[Mister J]

I'm definitely noticing a theme in the questions posed in the opening post. :funny:

I'm hoping to see the Sparano/Ireland/Parcella Experiment stay strong in Miami in 2009. I know they'll draft well,but I can't wait to see how the FA makret shakes out. They're ~30M under the salary cap and there's a need for more offensive power on the end, more defensive playmakers and less punt returners.

[Dark Donnie]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season?

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?
No, I see them finishing third at best
Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?
I don't see them making the playoffs next year, just like the previous Superbowl losers. I think they caught lightning in a bottle in the playoffs and rode that.
What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?
He will be a Cowboy
Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?
Yes, it would cost The Jets to much to trade him.
Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league?
When healthy he isn't that great IMO, he's very one dimensional.
What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with.
I can see a series of rule changes from this past year.
Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice?
Perhaps
How will Mangini do in Cleveland?
8-8
Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all?
Probably not, he played out of position when he got to Dallas and pretty much sucked.
How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?
I see Cassell starting off, and Brady eventually taking over. He's not going to light it up IMO.
Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?
No....No....No
Dsicuss.

:up:

[Erzengel]

Let's go Giants!!! :up:

[cyborg ninja 14]

'09, the year the Broncos return to glory.

[Bond]

I'm definitely noticing a theme in the questions posed in the opening post. :funny:
I don't know what you're talking about. :huh::yay:

[Excel]

I do not see how the Patriots arent the favorites. Dont see it. They went 11-5 and woulda beaten anybody in the AFC not named Pittsburg. Now they are essentially adding Tom Brady and Laurence Maroney plus whoever they draft or get for Cassel.

Aye.

Is it September yet?

[Excel]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season?

Patriots over Detroit in SB 44 :o

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?

Yes, though Romo needs watch Jessicas weight 1st :o

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?

No.

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?

No, they will not him go, and yes, teams would want him.

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?

Farve? Retire? Hahahaha

Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league?

He will remain healthy, but be recognized as an overrated rb who lacks speed & agility but is an excellent goalline back.

What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with.

Hopefully we will have a new Commissioner who doesnt fine people for giving each other high 5's or smiling.

Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice?

It will be a 2 headed monster-Barber and Jones.

How will Mangini do in Cleveland?

Depends who they draft.

Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all?

Yes, Garret will get him involved. Yes, Wade will have a say.

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?

He'll be at his usual lord status, and the connection will pick up where it left off (Moss had 50 yards during Bradys 4 minutes of pt this season).

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?
Yes, yes, & yes.

Dsicuss.

there

[Double Down]

The Arizona Republic seems pretty confident Warner will return. Some highlights from the story:

But after everything that's been said, everything that's been intimated publicly and privately by everyone involved, the general perception in and around the Cardinals' organization seems crystal clear: He will be back. And he likely will sign a new, two-year contract extension - possibly in the neighborhood of $18-20 million - to try and lead this once-woebegone franchise right back into glorious history.
Give it two weeks, three weeks tops.

Both Warner and Whisenhunt said they planned to talk before Warner sits down with his family. But with all due respect to impending free-agent linebacker Karlos Dansby, the Cardinals have to deal with Warner before they deal with anyone else.
"Without Kurt, we're not in that game on Sunday," said defensive end Bertrand Berry, whose contract is also set to expire. "We definitely want him back. We need him back."
He'll be back. Count on it.
The Republic took an informal, off-the-record poll while the Cardinals cleaned out their lockers on Tuesday and of the dozens of players interviewed, none expected Warner to retire or sign elsewhere.

Warner may have even let it slip Tuesday when someone asked him if anyone in charge of the organization reached out to him to re-sign with the Cardinals.
"Yes, I've had some people in the organization definitely express to me that they want me to be a part of what we're doing here, moving forward," Warner said.
Just as he said those words, a teammate reminded Warner that it was time to leave the locker room and head to a season-ending, team meeting in the Cardinals' auditorium, where Whisenhunt would deliver his farewell talk to the club.
"It's time to go, I'm sorry," Warner told reporters.
Then, as he meandered his way through the media horde, he winked, innocently, and said, "I'll be back."
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2009/02/03/20090203spt-cardswarner.html

[NewYorkSpider]

I think he'll come back for one more year and win the division. The only team I see making a run for the NFC West is San Francisco. They might be a surprise team next season.

[Excel]

San Fran could definitely surprise, espec. if they get Cassel. Another team I see surprising is Detroit. Their win total will break the single digits for the 1st time in over a year.

[NewYorkSpider]

I think Cassel in a Vikings uniform would be a match made in heaven.

[Alex The Great]

San Fran, Minnesota, Jets (Not very likely) and....Packers are good nominees for where Cassel will be next season.

So we can we please close the Draft thread that Normy made? No on'e going to go there now :o

[vindrow]

Here is a little off-season news for Steelers fans and KC fans as well:


http://www.profootballcentral.com/20...-bruce-arians/


Chiefs Interested In Bruce Arians

February 1st, 2009 · 1 Comment

The Kansas City Chiefs are looking at an offensive cordinator that will coach at the Super Bowl but its not the one you think. The Chiefs are also looking at Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and may bring him in for an interview after the Super Bowl. Arians is a second year offensive coordinator and has done a tremendous job with the Steelers this season. The Chiefs are also looking at Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley but reports are that Haley is not interested in a head coaching spot and loves Arizona to much to leave.



I hope this is true...winning the SB and getting rid of Arians...its almost to good to be true.

[Double Down]

Arians would be an amazingly bad choice for the Chiefs.

[NewYorkSpider]

San Fran, Minnesota, Jets (Not very likely) and....Packers are good nominees for where Cassel will be next season.

So we can we please close the Draft thread that Normy made? No on'e going to go there now


49ers and Vikings, Yes. Packers and Jets, No. Why would the Patriots trade a good QB to a divison rival? Also, why would the Packers trade for Cassel when they have three QB's lower than the age of 25?

[Cunning Stunts]

Awesome question of the day: Where's Anquan Boldin gonna wind up?

I hope he winds up in either Minnesota or Atlanta... I think giving such a powerful WR to either young QB could take both teams deep into the playoffs (ESPECIALLY ATL, given Matt Ryan... But he could make Tarvaris Jackson look like Matt Ryan :p)

[Cunning Stunts]

Here is a little off-season news for Stelers fans and KC fans as well:


http://www.profootballcentral.com/20...-bruce-arians/


Chiefs Interested In Bruce Arians

February 1st, 2009 · 1 Comment

The Kansas City Chiefs are looking at an offensive cordinator that will coach at the Super Bowl but its not the one you think. The Chiefs are also looking at Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians and may bring him in for an interview after the Super Bowl. Arians is a second year offensive coordinator and has done a tremendous job with the Steelers this season. The Chiefs are also looking at Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley but reports are that Haley is not interested in a head coaching spot and loves Arizona to much to leave.



I hope this is true...winning the SB and getting rid of Arians...its almost to good to be true.

What would be awesome is if PIT could pick up Sean Payton as an Offensive Coordinator... Provided he leaves NO.

[vindrow]

What would be awesome is if PIT could pick up Sean Payton as an Offensive Coordinator... Provided he leaves NO.


Anybody they pick up would be an improvement over Arians.

[Cunning Stunts]

I agree... I also think a lot of the problem was that terrible O-Line. I'm prayin' for a make-over this year... Perhaps a huge free agent pick-up and a #1 draft pick... If they can keep that Defense together (and I think they will), and I don't think any major players from the Offense are even up for Free Agency (correct me if I'm wrong), so a major overhaul on the O-Line would make me :).

[Double Down]

Awesome question of the day: Where's Anquan Boldin gonna wind up?

I hope he winds up in either Minnesota or Atlanta... I think giving such a powerful WR to either young QB could take both teams deep into the playoffs (ESPECIALLY ATL, given Matt Ryan... But he could make Tarvaris Jackson look like Matt Ryan :p)

He is going to stay in Arizona.

[NewYorkSpider]

The Steelers will probably draft Alex Mack or Eric Wood in the upcoming draft.

[Cunning Stunts]

Are you sure? He was so adamant about not staying earlier this year.

Anyways, for anyone who wants to know, here is the full list of Free Agents this offseason...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

I hope Pittsburgh picks up Brandon Jacobs. That, IMO, would bring that Jerome Bettis angle back to Pittsburgh... Which I think would be just as good as picking up a top O-Lineman.

[Cunning Stunts]

Oh yeah, and get rid of Mitch Berger. I wanted to decapitate that guy all year. :down

[vindrow]

Oh yeah, and get rid of Mitch Berger. I wanted to decapitate that guy all year. :down


You don't to worry about Berger being back since Sepulvida will be back.

[NewYorkSpider]

He is going to stay in Arizona.

I disagree. A team like the Eagles could give up their first round draft pick(they have two) to get Boldin. The big question is weather or not the Eagles would take a risk on his health. Another team could be Miami. I don't know if they would want to give up a first round pick. Another team would be the Giants. With the Plaxico issue, they don't know if he's going to be in a Giants uniform again. Boldin would at least give them some depth.

Are you sure? He was so adamant about not staying earlier this year.

Anyways, for anyone who wants to know, here is the full list of Free Agents this offseason...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

I hope Pittsburgh picks up Brandon Jacobs. That, IMO, would bring that Jerome Bettis angle back to Pittsburgh... Which I think would be just as good as picking up a top O-Lineman.


I think Brandon Jacobs will stay in New York.

[vindrow]

The Steelers will probably draft Alex Mack or Eric Wood in the upcoming draft.


I believe they will go OL with they're 1st and 2nd pick.


1st round I think they will grab either Alex Mack or William Beatty and in the 2nd round pick up Eric Wood if he is there or Kraig Urbik.

Depending on whether or not they re-sign Bryant McFadden they will need to pick up a CB in the 3rd or 4th round..probably 3rd since we have 2 3rd round picks and pick up a couple of defensive guys with the other 3rd and the 4th.

[Cunning Stunts]

You don't to worry about Berger being back since Sepulvida will be back.

I know, but I'm just hoping they don't try to bring him back if Sepulveda gets hurt again. Sepulveda is an effin' monster.

I disagree. A team like the Eagles could give up their first round draft pick(they have two) to get Boldin. The big question is weather or not the Eagles would take a risk on his health. Another team could be Miami. I don't know if they would want to give up a first round pick. Another team would be the Giants. With the Plaxico issue, they don't know if he's going to be in a Giants uniform again. Boldin would at least give them some depth.




I think Brandon Jacobs will stay in New York.

I do too, but I would love it if the Steelers went after him to get a bigger, stronger back to help split carries with Willie Parker.

[Alex The Great]

That Pats NEED to get a LB in the draft....For god sakes are youngest LB is...what? 33?

[vindrow]

Well, the Steelers made a small move by signing Doug Legursky from the practice squad to teh roster.

http://www.herald-dispatch.com/sports/x2134008266/Legursky-signs-2-year-deal-with-Steelers




HUNTINGTON - Not bad, earning a promotion following a Super Bowl championship celebration.


Following a week’s preparation in Tampa, Doug Legursky the practice squad member looked on while his Pittsburgh Steelers dramatically rallied past Arizona for the Super Bowl XLIII trophy. Three days later, the former Marshall University football standout was rewarded with a two-year contract, cementing active roster status.


Terms of the agreement were not disclosed, but Legursky obviously was more than content Wednesday evening.


“It’s definitely a good feeling,” the 6-foot-1, 323-pound offensive lineman said. “This is a good situation. We’ve got a lot of guys up for free agency, but hopefully we’ll keep most of them.”


Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, Legursky’s former Mid-American Conference rival, connected with Santonio Holmes, a former opponent at Ohio State, for the winning touchdown, providing a signature Super Bowl moment. The thrilling victory capped Legursky’s rookie season featuring two early releases before earning a secure practice squad spot.


“It was an awesome, awesome experience,” said Legursky, a four-year Thundering Herd starter from 2003-07. “We had a great week of preparation. There was a lot of commitment and focus but we wanted to have a good time as well as prepare for the game.
“

And then to have the great game that it was with the atmosphere and great plays all over the place. It was fun to watch everyone’s hard work come together to win a Super Bowl.”


Following the equivalent of a college redshirt season in the pros, Legursky now turns attention to producing on game days. He’s lined up at center and guard and likely will serve dual duties again this season. Bottom line, the Beckley native is more than ready for NFL playing time.


“I’m just going to go in with the same mindset to get better and show that I’m capable of being a good player in any way they need me,” Legursky said. “This season was kind of tough. I got a job yes, but I want to contribute as well as I can.


“I’m definitely so glad that we got that victory. It’s a great feeling and I hope to have that feeling as a player some day.”

[Dr. Evil]

That Pats NEED to get a LB in the draft....For god sakes are youngest LB is...what? 33?

Didn't they draft a guy last year?

[Double Down]

Didn't they draft a guy last year?

Jerod Mayo - the NFL's defensive rookie of the year.

[Holiday]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season?

We'll see more NFL players partially nude.

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?

Maybe, but I'll say no.

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?

I think Kurt will come back and Arizona will at least win the division.

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?

He'll stay in Dallas I think.

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?

Yes.

Will Marion Barber remain healthy and be recognized as one of the best halfbacks in the league?

Sure.

What is the Comish going to do with the officiating? A series of problems were brought to the surface last season; problems that need to be dealt with.

He's going to viciously beat Ed Hochuli in a back alley. That's what he should do, anyways.

Will Felix Jones remain healthy as well, issuing a 3-headed running back tantrum in Dallas featuring Barber-Felix-Choice?

I don't think so.

How will Mangini do in Cleveland?

Okay. Just okay.

Will Jason Garrett find something productive for Roy Williams (WR) to do on the field? And will Wade Phillips have any say in it at all?

Yes, no.

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?

Tom Brady and Randy Moss will be good to go.

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?

It's all possible but I'll say no to all three.

:bh::brucebat::bh:

[Immortalfire]

So we can we please close the Draft thread that Normy made? No on'e going to go there now :o

No.



Tom Cable introduced as Raiders coach http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ai.MLA6zmBDUqB_ctYtT5UhDubYF?slug=ap-raiders-cable&prov=ap&type=lgns

He has one year to win them a Super Bowl.

[That-Guy]

Well, the Pittsburgh Steelers are World Champions, securing sole possession of the record for most Super Bowl wins with 6. So, what will happen this season?
If they can make improvements on the O-Line (and I believe they can… the O-Line did a much better job of protecting Ben in the post season) and find a strong runningback who can move the pile the way Bettis could, then I see no reason why the Steelers can’t repeat or at least make the playoffs. The defense is already there and so are Roethlisberger, Holmes, Ward and Miller.

Will the chemistry in Dallas actually work out and will everyone say Jerry Jones and Wade Phillips are geniuses?

Hell, no. Phillips is an idiot and Jones is a jackass who will do anything to win. I would like to see them get Ray Lewis though. I don’t think it will do anything to help the Cowboys, but it would piss off everyone in Baltimore.

Will the Cardinals have another great year, and will Kurt be the one to carry them again?

If Kurt comes back, I think they have a shot at a playoff run, and possibly further. If he retires, I’d say they’re screwed. Leinert might improve, but I doubt he’ll take them all the way. The best receivers in the game aren’t much without a strong QB.

What will happen to T.O.? Are the Cowboys going to let him go, and is anyone even going to want him in their team's locker room?

The Cowboys will probably keep him but it won’t help their problems. I don’t personally believe that most of the issues in Dallas are his fault, but I certainly don’t think his negative attitude helps the matter.

Is Brett Favre ACTUALLY going to retire this time?

I sure as hell hope so. He’s just embarrassing himself at this point. It’s not that he’s playing horribly, it’s just that it’s becoming obvious that he’s past his prime.

How will Mangini do in Cleveland?

I highly doubt he’ll be able to do anything with this team. Maybe they’ll surprise me, but I doubt it. Although they could always sign LeBron James! lol

How will Tom Brady do, coming off a full season of sitting around? Will the connection between him and Moss still be there?

This is an interesting question. The beginning of the past season was like the beginning of a sports movie… the (almost) undefeated QB from the previous season gets taken out in the first game. He might come back and be the guy he used to be… or he might fall to pieces. He’s already accomplished more than most quarterbacks do in a lifetime, but it’d be a shame to see his career get cut short.

Will the Cowboys win a playoff game? Will they make the playoffs? Will they win over 10 games?

No, because no, due to NO.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Are you sure? He was so adamant about not staying earlier this year.

Anyways, for anyone who wants to know, here is the full list of Free Agents this offseason...

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

I hope Pittsburgh picks up Brandon Jacobs. That, IMO, would bring that Jerome Bettis angle back to Pittsburgh... Which I think would be just as good as picking up a top O-Lineman.

that website is wrong. Jacobs is not a UFA this year for the Giants, that's Derrick Ward. Jacobs is an RFA and any team that signs him would have to give up 2 1st round picks.

That Pats NEED to get a LB in the draft....For god sakes are youngest LB is...what? 33?

Didn't you just draft Jerrod Mayo last year?

[Dr. Evil]

The NFL's Douche of the Year: Terrell "Me >God" Owens will be the reason the Cowboys go 5-11 next year.

And I am a Cowboys fan.

[Go Web Go!]

Already with the 2009 thread? Sheesh. Season hasn't been over a week. Anyway, when does free agency start?

The NFL's Douche of the Year: Terrell "Me >God" Owens will be the reason the Cowboys go 5-11 next year.

And I am a Cowboys fan.

No he won't. Quit hating on the guy. I'd put the blame on Wade & a tissue-soft QB before I ever pointed a finger at TO.

[Dr. Evil]

Owens is part of the problem as are Wade Phillips and Tony Romo.

It's just that Owens refuses to admit that he's part of the problem.

[Erzengel]

If they had someone who just didn't roll over like Phillips does, and had someone who actually disciplined the players, maybe there wouldn't be issues on the team.

[Go Web Go!]

If they had someone who just didn't roll over like Phillips does, and had someone who actually disciplined the players, maybe there wouldn't be issues on the team.

They had that guy...he left.

[Dark Donnie]

Free agent T.J. Houshmandzadeh says he'd be interested in playing for the Eagles next season.

"If they'll be interested in me, I'll be interested in them," he said. "McNabb is a fine quarterback. He was going to playoff games consistently with Todd Pinkston and Freddie Mitchell (at receiver)." It's worth noting that Housh rang up 149 yards and a TD on 12 grabs in last season's Bengals-Eagles tie.
Source: Philadelphia Daily News

[StorminNorman]

Since he made fun of FredEx I am now contractually obligated to root for T.J. Houshmandzadeh.

[Addendum]

Is it September yet?

I wish. Unfortunately, we have to suffer through the rest of the basketball season, and almost all of the baseball season

[Dr. Evil]

Free Agency isn't that far away, it starts in three weeks.

[Cunning Stunts]

Houshmandzadeh + McNabb = Super Bowl Run?

[The Incredible Hulk]

Already with the 2009 thread? Sheesh. Season hasn't been over a week. Anyway, when does free agency start?


February 27th

[Excel]

Source: Philadelphia Daily News

Hot damn would that be a nice pick up or what???

[Go Web Go!]

Houshmandzadeh + McNabb = Super Bowl Run?

No :o

[Cunning Stunts]

Well why not? A lack of decent receivers is (arguably) one of the most prominent things that kept them from being able to make it past the Cards, in my opinion.

[Excel]

No :o

Your right.

McNabb + Housh = Super Bowl win (unless they play NE)

[simplyshiny]

2009 will be an interesting year, I really think, I'm excited to see Caldwell in Indy, and how the Cards do...and, of course, a 7th ring for the Steelers :yay:

[NewYorkSpider]

Houshmandzadeh + McNabb = Super Bowl Run?

It certainly make them a threat. If the Giants get Plaxico back, they'd probably be two of the best teams in the NFC.

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:

The Patriots have assigned the franchise tag to QB Matt Cassel, as expected.

The franchise number for Cassel is $14.65 million, which is similar to Tom Brady's salary. If the Pats are comfortable with Brady's rehab and the development of last year's third-rounder Kevin O'Connell, they can dangle Cassel for an early round pick. Their other option is to work out a deal with Cassel to act as insurance against a possible Brady setback later this summer.

[Excel]

From Rotoworld.com:

The Patriots have assigned the franchise tag to QB Matt Cassel, as expected.

Damn, already? They really must want offers; theres no bloody way they keep to players who play the situation who will eat 30 million in cap room.

[Double Down]

Sports Illustrated on Matt Cassel


Is Matt Cassel a one-year wonder or the next great quarterback?
That's what NFL front office executives are wondering as the Patriots officially placed the franchise tag on Cassel on Thursday.
The fourth-year pro is coming off an outstanding 15-game stint in which he completed over 63 percent of his passes for 3,693 yards, 21 touchdowns and 11 interceptions after taking over for injured starter Tom Brady. His 89.4 passer rating ranked 10th best, ahead of Jay Cutler, Eli Manning and Brett Favre, among others.
"He looks like he has the tools to be a franchise-caliber quarterback," said a high-ranking AFC official. "He has the accuracy and athleticism to be a special player."
"When you watch how he progressed over the course of the season, you come away with the impression that he could be a special player," said an AFC personnel director.
Cassel spent his collegiate career backing up two Heisman Trophy winners (Carson Palmer and Matt Leinart) at the University of Southern California. He played in only 25 games as a collegian (completed 20 of 33 pass attempts for 192 yards), but was drafted by the Patriots in the seventh round of the 2005 NFL Draft on the heels of a dazzling workout in front of pro scouts and a strong recommendation from Pete Carroll.
After spending three years as Brady's backup in New England, Cassel stepped in for the former league MVP to lead the Patriots to an 11-5 record. He entered the season with only 14 game appearances under his belt but finished with three games over 300 passing yards, including back-to-back games with 400 yards through the air.
While some would argue that Cassel was simply a byproduct of playing in a wide-open system that featured some of the league's best weapons at receiver (Randy Moss and Wes Welker), the argument doesn't undermine the fact he played well in place of Brady.
Cassel's terrific year created an interesting situation for the Patriots when deciding what to do with him prior to free agency. As an unrestricted free agent, Cassel would be one of the most sought after players on the market, and the Patriots wouldn't receive any compensation if he signed elsewhere. By using the franchise tag on him, it cost the Patriots $14.65 million in 2009. Combined with Brady's $15 million cap number for 2009, New England now has $29 million (or 23 percent of the estimated $123 million cap) committed to the quarterback position.
Franchising Cassel provides the Patriots with insurance against a Brady setback in rehab and also gives the Patriots the opportunity to leverage Cassel's great year into a nice trade. (Teams that sign franchise players are forced to surrender two first-round picks to the free agent's former club, so most opt to use a sign-and-trade that often results in the former team receiving multiple high draft picks.)
Derek Anderson and Tony Romo are recent examples of young quarterbacks who turned a handful of solid performances into big pay days and starting jobs. Anderson, who entered the 2007 season as a backup to former Browns starter Charlie Frye, wound up as the league's ninth-ranked passer after taking over the job in the second week of the 2007 season. Anderson's impressive play (3,787 passing yards with 29 touchdowns and 19 interceptions in 15 starts) not only earned him a Pro Bowl nomination, but also landed him a three-year, $27 million contract. Unfortunately for the Browns, Anderson didn't sustain his performance last season and found himself on the bench after a handful of uneven performances.
Romo may be the best example of a "one-year wonder" developing into a franchise quarterback. After supplanting Drew Bledsoe as the Cowboys starting quarterback midway through the 2006 season, Romo passed for 2,903 yards in 10 games with 19 touchdowns and 13 interceptions on the way to his first Pro Bowl berth. He followed that surprising season by earning his second straight Pro Bowl bid in 2007 after completing over 64 percent of his passes for 4,211 yards with 36 touchdowns and 19 interceptions. Though his numbers fell off the mark last season (61.3 completion percent, 3,448 yards, 26 touchdowns and 14 interceptions), he has clearly proven he has franchise-caliber ability.
For any team that eventually settles on Cassel, there could be a bit of trepidation when it comes to depending on him to carry the hopes of the franchise.
"That's the trap when taking a chance on him," said an NFC personnel director. "You don't have an extensive history to study. He didn't play much in college, and this year is the only time that he has really been on the field. So you're making your judgments solely off one year of production. That's fine, but you don't know how he will respond to the different looks that he will face next year after defensive coordinators have spent an offseason breaking down his strengths and weaknesses. He may turn out to be a good one, but there is no guarantee that he will ever duplicate this season's production."

[Raiden]

Damn, already? They really must want offers; theres no bloody way they keep to players who play the situation who will eat 30 million in cap room.

Do Pats really have that much room under the cap?

[Excel]

Appearently, most of their starers are dirt cheap. Cassel is gonna be about twice the cap his Brady will be (Brady doesnt all of his money this year, instead it comes in the form of a bonus which wont count); Morris and Jordan make twice as much as Maroney, Oneil made 3x what Meriweather made, ect. Plus Harrison is gone.

[Cunning Stunts]

I think they're either trying to draw higher interest in Cassel, or they're trying to draw some quiet offers for Brady.

[Excel]

they're trying to draw some quiet offers for Brady.

No ****ing way man...sorry, but just no ****ing way :hehe:

[Cunning Stunts]

I don't see them going through with it either, unless they ultimately decide to stick with a younger QB who they've got faith in. The amount of pick/good player trade offers they could get for Brady would be INSANE.

I honestly don't see it happening, but I also don't see it as "Not An Option" in the Patriots' books... Just a less preferred one.

[Immortalfire]

Falcons' Todd Weiner announces retirement http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2009/02/05/falcons_weiner.html?cxntlid=homepage_tab_newstab

Falcons offensive tackle Todd Weiner announced his retirement Thursday.

Weiner competed in the NFL for 11 seasons with the Falcons (2002-08) and Seattle (1998-2001).

“I want to thank (Owner & CEO) Arthur Blank, (General Manager) Thomas Dimitroff and Coach (Mike) Smith for the opportunities they gave me to play here,” Weiner said in a statement released by the team. “The Falcons are a first-class organization and due to the positive experiences my family and I have had here in Atlanta, we will continue to live and be active members of this community.”

Weiner started in 118 of 152 career games.

[Raiden]

No ****ing way man...sorry, but just no ****ing way :hehe:

No way Pats will trade Brady, for anyone.

[Excel]

I don't see them going through with it either, unless they ultimately decide to stick with a younger QB who they've got faith in. The amount of pick/good player trade offers they could get for Brady would be INSANE.

I honestly don't see it happening, but I also don't see it as "Not An Option" in the Patriots' books... Just a less preferred one.

Do you trade Michael Jordan in his prime? (yes, I just compared Brady to MJ and its legit). The guy already 3 super bowls (2 mvps, suck on that Big Ben :p), and in his last season was the MVP, threw 50 touchdowns, and lead the best offensive scoring machine there ever was. He will have literally 1 year to recover from an injury that took Palmer 6 months and McNabb 8. Hes walked without crutches or a limp for the past 7 weeks and has been running and throwing passes the past 2.

There is NO. WAY. Brady goes anywhere. Cassel did progress well, but Bradys numbers as a rookie were him throwing to TROY BROWN and DAVID PATTEN. The concern is if Moss or Welker went down, Cassels numbers would likely plummit from the decent that they; Brady would still be great even if not as high as they were, and thats the difference.

Matt Cassel on the other hand...look, everybody in New England owes this guy a HUGE thank you. When Tom Brady went down just 7 minutes into the season (it still seems like just yesterday doesn't it?) the entire season was written off by just about everybody, maybe in wins as so much in enjoyment, simply because we though Cassel would suck and be hideous like he was in the preseason. Many Patriots fans wanted Oconnell in over him. People expected Maroney, Morris, and Jordan to combine for 3,000 something yards and 35 touchdowns together with the occassional screen to Welker or bomb to Moss. Before you know it, all of the running backs are also out for significant time, and we have to lean on our passing game. Needless to say, Cassel manned up. I know it VERY likely he will be somewhere else next season, but I think I can speak for almost all New Englanders when I say I wish him all the success in the world unless he's playing us. The guy never deserves to be a called "back up" again, and has proven how much of an idiot Pete Carroll was for starting Leinart over Cassel (ok, that was a joke).

Basically...just gotta tell the guy thanks and even though he cant throw the deep ball...I do think he'll find a lot of success if he goes to the right place (word, San Fran) :up:

[Double Down]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/steelers_6-Pack.jpg

[Cunning Stunts]

Do you trade Michael Jordan in his prime? (yes, I just compared Brady to MJ and its legit). The guy already 3 super bowls (2 mvps, suck on that Big Ben :p), and in his last season was the MVP, threw 50 touchdowns, and lead the best offensive scoring machine there ever was. He will have literally 1 year to recover from an injury that took Palmer 6 months and McNabb 8. Hes walked without crutches or a limp for the past 7 weeks and has been running and throwing passes the past 2.

There is NO. WAY. Brady goes anywhere. Cassel did progress well, but Bradys numbers as a rookie were him throwing to TROY BROWN and DAVID PATTEN. The concern is if Moss or Welker went down, Cassels numbers would likely plummit from the decent that they; Brady would still be great even if not as high as they were, and thats the difference.

Matt Cassel on the other hand...look, everybody in New England owes this guy a HUGE thank you. When Tom Brady went down just 7 minutes into the season (it still seems like just yesterday doesn't it?) the entire season was written off by just about everybody, maybe in wins as so much in enjoyment, simply because we though Cassel would suck and be hideous like he was in the preseason. Many Patriots fans wanted Oconnell in over him. People expected Maroney, Morris, and Jordan to combine for 3,000 something yards and 35 touchdowns together with the occassional screen to Welker or bomb to Moss. Before you know it, all of the running backs are also out for significant time, and we have to lean on our passing game. Needless to say, Cassel manned up. I know it VERY likely he will be somewhere else next season, but I think I can speak for almost all New Englanders when I say I wish him all the success in the world unless he's playing us. The guy never deserves to be a called "back up" again, and has proven how much of an idiot Pete Carroll was for starting Leinart over Cassel (ok, that was a joke).

Basically...just gotta tell the guy thanks and even though he cant throw the deep ball...I do think he'll find a lot of success if he goes to the right place (word, San Fran) :up:

I'm too lazy to read all that, but I'm just going to say that I have no doubt in my mind Brady will be there until the last years of his career, and that Cassel will be the primary bait for picks or players. The only QB I find better than Brady is Peyton Manning (although I agree that he didn't deserve MVP this year), but even then, as a Patriots higher-up, I dunno that I'd give up Brady. That said, it's a business, and I have no doubt that if Cassel sticks around, they'll begin weighing the options in a few years.

Then again, by that time, Cassel will probably be gone, and Brady will have his own protoge´.

I'm still hoping to hear big news about a top-teir WR going to either Minnesota or Atlanta.

[NewYorkSpider]

Like I said in the first page of the thread. Cassel in a Vikings uniform is a match made in heaven.

[Cunning Stunts]

^^I agree. I don't see Tarvaris Jackson doing jack.

Anyways, I'm an avid Steelers fan, so the wiki for "Steeler Nation" (which I didn't know they had up until now) just a minute ago... I'm surprised this hasn't been flagged:

"Reputation for low-class behavior

Bonded by a sports team based in the heart of Appalachia, Steelers fans have perhaps unsurprisingly gained a reputation for hillbilly behavior and earned the contempt of many across the country.[10][11]

Independent – though unscientific – research on their fans has found them to be poor,[10] reckless,[10] sloppy,[11] grubby,[11] bad drivers[11] with undiscerning taste in music, food[11] and fashion,[11] as well as a poor grasp of their team's history.[12]"

I think it's effin' hilarious, but having lived in the D.C. area for a couple years now, I find this to be more true for Redskins fans than any other fans.

[SurfDUI]

last season was nice to see the meh teams making the playoffs but I want to see all the big dawgs back to form


WUF WUF-Goes YOUR Indianapolis COLTS

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld:
FoxSports' Jay Glazer reports the Chiefs have offered their head coaching position to Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley and he has accepted.

It's not official yet as the sides are still working on contract terms, but an announcement should be forthcoming on Friday. Haley solidified his reputation as a master playcaller during the Cardinals' surprising playoff run, and he will be a significant loss for Arizona. His history with Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin bodes very well for the similarly talented Dwayne Bowe.

[Dr. Evil]

From Rotoworld:
FoxSports' Jay Glazer reports the Chiefs have offered their head coaching position to Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley and he has accepted.

It's not official yet as the sides are still working on contract terms, but an announcement should be forthcoming on Friday. Haley solidified his reputation as a master playcaller during the Cardinals' surprising playoff run, and he will be a significant loss for Arizona. His history with Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin bodes very well for the similarly talented Dwayne Bowe.

Whisenhunt will probably take over the playcalling.

[ih8nyy]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/steelers_6-Pack.jpg

Even I have to admit that is pretty cool. F'in Steelers.

[ih8nyy]

Peyton Manning threw Jay Cutler's diabetes monitor in the pool

And then, for extra laughs, Peyton drove around to various nursing homes in the Honolulu area, unplugging oxygen machines and slathering canes and walkers in Crisco.

I kid, I kid. Peyton doesn't have any hatred of the elderly or disease-ridden. As it turns out, he destroyed Jay Cutler's blood sugar monitor (Cutler's a type 1 diabetic) by mistake. As part of all the zany Pro Bowl hijinx, Peyton and friends were going to toss Cutler in the pool, and while they did protect his cell phone, they forgot one other thing.

Here's how it went down, courtesy of the Denver Post:

The gang of Pro Bowl football players had been gathered around the tables, swapping stories, when suddenly the Broncos' quarterback had 300-pound Nick Mangold pushing from one side, 310-pound Kris Dielman holding the other and his cell phone swindled into the hands of a coy Peyton Manning.

Cutler's radar had gone up, but he never had a chance.

Splash!

"We gave him a Pro Bowl baptism," said Dielman, the star offensive guard of the rival San Diego Chargers.

Great fun. Big laughs. There was just one problem. Cutler is a Type 1 diabetic, and in his pocket was his blood-sugar monitor.

"That was a prank where I thought we were smart enough to get the cellphone out of his pocket," Dielman said. "But then, 'Oops.' "

Oops indeed. In their defense, though, some blood sugar monitors do look slightly cell-phone-esque.

Fortunately, Cutler took it all in stride and was able to make a few calls and get a new monitor quickly. If I was him, I would have started faking stomach cramps and pretending to lose my eyesight, while screaming that I could die without my monitor. But that's just me, and I like to teach people lessons that will stick for a lifetime.

yahoo.com

I think Peyton is closer to the guy we saw on the SNL United Way Skit.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Cassell getting franchised should tell you that Brady isn't healthy and wont be in shape to start next season. No way they play a $14 million game of chicken hoping someone will jump up and give them two first rounders for Cassell.

[Immortalfire]

Another team will shout "Trade him to us!"...and the Patriots will whisper, "No."

[ih8nyy]

Cassell getting franchised should tell you that Brady isn't healthy and wont be in shape to start next season. No way they play a $14 million game of chicken hoping someone will jump up and give them two first rounders for Cassell.

My guess is they end up trading him. They franchised him early to let his agent talk to interested teams in hopes of working out a long term deal.

[That-Guy]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/steelers_6-Pack.jpg

THAT... IS... AWESOME!!! I think I've just found my new avatar. :woot:

[Dark Donnie]

Anquan Boldin-WR- Cardinals Feb. 6 - 9:33 am et


Anquan Boldin reiterated in an interview with ESPN's Rachel Nichols that he thinks he's unlikely to stay with the Cardinals.
Boldin told Nichols that his chances of return are "very slim" after saying earlier in the day that his rift with team brass is irreparable. Boldin clearly wants out of Arizona and says it's no longer a money matter. Agent Drew Rosenhaus is likely already working to expedite his client's trade.

[Erzengel]

I wouldn't mind Boldin on the Giants but they wouldn't settle for that high of a #1 draft pick.

[The Game]

Tony G and Larry Johnson both want out where will they end up?

[That-Guy]

^^I agree. I don't see Tarvaris Jackson doing jack.

Anyways, I'm an avid Steelers fan, so the wiki for "Steeler Nation" (which I didn't know they had up until now) just a minute ago... I'm surprised this hasn't been flagged:

"Reputation for low-class behavior

Bonded by a sports team based in the heart of Appalachia, Steelers fans have perhaps unsurprisingly gained a reputation for hillbilly behavior and earned the contempt of many across the country.[10][11]

Independent – though unscientific – research on their fans has found them to be poor,[10] reckless,[10] sloppy,[11] grubby,[11] bad drivers[11] with undiscerning taste in music, food[11] and fashion,[11] as well as a poor grasp of their team's history.[12]"

I think it's effin' hilarious, but having lived in the D.C. area for a couple years now, I find this to be more true for Redskins fans than any other fans.

Man, people can be such ass holes. EVERY team in America has its share of low-class fans. Yeah, the Steelers have fans that act that way. But like you said, so do the Redskins fans (I live in DC myself) the Ravens fans (used to work in Baltimore) the Eagles fans, Cowboys fans, etc. People just love to hate on the Steelers because they have such a massive fanbase and because now, they're the franchise with the best Super Bowl record.

[That-Guy]

Anquan Boldin-WR- Cardinals Feb. 6 - 9:33 am et


Anquan Boldin reiterated in an interview with ESPN's Rachel Nichols that he thinks he's unlikely to stay with the Cardinals.
Boldin told Nichols that his chances of return are "very slim" after saying earlier in the day that his rift with team brass is irreparable. Boldin clearly wants out of Arizona and says it's no longer a money matter. Agent Drew Rosenhaus is likely already working to expedite his client's trade.

Man... if Warner retires and Boldin leaves, I don't see the Cards getting very far next year at all. I'd still say Fitz is the top talent on that team, but I don't think he's going to be all that effective without two of their other key weapons. Plus, they just lost their offensive coordinator. Whisenhunt can probably make up for that on his own, but it only makes his job harder.

[Erzengel]

My brother in law went to the Steelers vs. Giants game and said how unruly the NY fans were.

:heart:

But then again, I think he hates everything NY. :down

[RAMORE]

No.



Tom Cable introduced as Raiders coach http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ai.MLA6zmBDUqB_ctYtT5UhDubYF?slug=ap-raiders-cable&prov=ap&type=lgns

He has one year to win them a Super Bowl.

:woot:hahahaha....seriously though cable you better:hehe:

[Double Down]

THAT... IS... AWESOME!!! I think I've just found my new avatar. :woot:

Cool.
That's the second time in the past 12 hours someone has taken a pic I posted and made it their avatar, which is weird because the only other time it has happened in the time I have been here was when Surf used a pic I made for him.

[Mister J]

Anquan Boldin-WR- Cardinals Feb. 6 - 9:33 am et


Anquan Boldin reiterated in an interview with ESPN's Rachel Nichols that he thinks he's unlikely to stay with the Cardinals.
Boldin told Nichols that his chances of return are "very slim" after saying earlier in the day that his rift with team brass is irreparable. Boldin clearly wants out of Arizona and says it's no longer a money matter. Agent Drew Rosenhaus is likely already working to expedite his client's trade.
Not that I don't hope Boldin is moved, as long as to it's to the southernmost part of his home state, but didn't he make similar claims last year? He's got two years left on his contract and Fitz even offered to restructure to get him a little more $$$. I'm not sensing anything imminent.

[StorminNorman]

I have to ask...why would Arizona really WANT Anquan Boldin at this point? The Cardinals were undefeated without Anquan and Sean Breaston is a beast. I understand he is a fantastic player and you always hate to lose a fantastic player, but Boldin can be replaced very easily by the Cardinals.

Trade him.

[RAMORE]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/doubledown44/steelers_6-Pack.jpg

:woot::oldrazz::grin:

[RAMORE]

I'm too lazy to read all that, but I'm just going to say that I have no doubt in my mind Brady will be there until the last years of his career, and that Cassel will be the primary bait for picks or players. The only QB I find better than Brady is Peyton Manning (although I agree that he didn't deserve MVP this year), but even then, as a Patriots higher-up, I dunno that I'd give up Brady. That said, it's a business, and I have no doubt that if Cassel sticks around, they'll begin weighing the options in a few years.

Then again, by that time, Cassel will probably be gone, and Brady will have his own protoge´.

I'm still hoping to hear big news about a top-teir WR going to either Minnesota or Atlanta.


What your forgetting here is that the patriots are not the steelers they will trade away anyone period. Now Ben is going to be old and grey before he leaves PA.

[RAMORE]

Boldin is not going anywhere. I'll believe the cardinals coach leaving when I see it.

[vindrow]

Bye-bye Haley:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/02/06/haley.ap/index.html?eref=si_topstories



KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) -- Todd Haley has been hired as coach of the Kansas City Chiefs after helping the Arizona Cardinals reach the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs announced the hiring in a statement Friday before a news conference.

Haley was the offensive coordinator of the Cardinals. He joins a team that went a franchise-worst 2-14 under coach Herm Edwards, who was fired Jan. 23. Edwards lost all but two of his last 25 games and launched a rebuilding project that made the Chiefs the league's youngest team this season.

The Chiefs haven't won a postseason game since an aging Joe Montana was their quarterback in the 1993 season.

[RAMORE]

Suck oh well it was nice for Arizona Fans:csad: Would have been nicer for them had the game not been stolen:mad:

[Cunning Stunts]

... I'm praying for your sake that you mean because of the Steelers' impressive drive instead of "bad officiating."

[Cunning Stunts]

What your forgetting here is that the patriots are not the steelers they will trade away anyone period. Now Ben is going to be old and grey before he leaves PA.

... I'm the one who said the Pats are likely willing to take really good offers quietly for Brady... :huh:

[That-Guy]

Suck oh well it was nice for Arizona Fans:csad: Would have been nicer for them had the game not been stolen:mad:

I'd like to know how you steal a game when you have your first touchdown taken away, you get nailed for a safety after completing a pass and you get pushed back 20 yards on 2nd down when you're 2 minutes away from losing the game.

Just because your team didn't win didn't mean that the game was fixed. Get over it.

[Erzengel]

That was an obvious hold when that safety was called. That's in the rules. :huh: If you want to talk bogus calls, find me the section in the NFL rule book where it's illegal to run into the holder during a field goal which gave them a whole new set of downs. :huh:

I'm not begrudging the Steelers their win but the officiating during that game was awful.

[That-Guy]

That was an obvious hold when that safety was called. That's in the rules. :huh: If you want to talk bogus calls, find me the section in the NFL rule book where it's illegal to run into the holder during a field goal which gave them a whole new set of downs. :huh:

I'm not begrudging the Steelers their win but the officiating during that game was awful.

Sorry if I wasn't being clear... I'm not saying that it wasn't the right call, I'm saying that if the game was "stolen" as he was implying, then I highly doubt that the call would have been made at all.

[StorminNorman]

I'd like to know how you steal a game when you have your first touchdown taken away, you get nailed for a safety after completing a pass and you get pushed back 20 yards on 2nd down when you're 2 minutes away from losing the game.

Just because your team didn't win didn't mean that the game was fixed. Get over it.

How about because Roethlisberger didn't score on the first touchdown, your offensive tackle really did commit holding on both instances.

No one is saying that the refs were completely wrong the entire game, I won't even go as far to say that the refs wanted Pittsburgh to win - but there are two calls in favor of the Steelers that were huge. Namely the fake roughing the passer/non intentional grounding call which was a thirty plus yard penalty and the lack of review for the non-fumble at the end.

[Double Down]

I don't know what's worse -- that in seemingly every close game any more, the fans of the losing team say they were robbed of the win by the refs, or the fact that the refs are doing such a poor job that a lot of the claims have merit. I really hope they clean up the officiating in some way. I'm all for making them full-time employees.

[That-Guy]

How about because Roethlisberger didn't score on the first touchdown, your offensive tackle really did commit holding on both instances.

No one is saying that the refs were completely wrong the entire game, I won't even go as far to say that the refs wanted Pittsburgh to win - but there are two calls in favor of the Steelers that were huge. Namely the fake roughing the passer/non intentional grounding call which was a thirty plus yard penalty and the lack of review for the non-fumble at the end.

Hmmm, okay... in the Roethlisberger-run-for-a-touchdown, it certainly looked to me like his knee never hit the ground because he twisted away before it happened. I think someone even said that this was proven in a close-up, but that might be wrong.

In the "fake" roughing the passer call, he was hit after throwing the ball. You can argue that the hit couldn't be avoided, but you could also argue that it could have, the same way you could argue that the holding in the endzone couldn't have been avoided because Hartwig was blocking and simply got run over. Would either argument be right?

It was a fumble at the end of the game. They went through it extensively on NFL network.

[StorminNorman]

Hmmm, okay... in the Roethlisberger-run-for-a-touchdown, it certainly looked to me like his knee never hit the ground because he twisted away before it happened. I think someone even said that this was proven in a close-up, but that might be wrong.

There were several replays showing definitively that Roethlisberger never made it across.

In the "fake" roughing the passer call, he was hit after throwing the ball. You can argue that the hit couldn't be avoided, but you could also argue that it could have, the same way you could argue that the holding in the endzone couldn't have been avoided because Hartwig was blocking and simply got run over. Would either argument be right?

The fake roughing the passer call is the one bad call that almost everyone (and their brother) agrees was a horrible call. It simply was not roughing the passer. The QB can be hit after the pass is thrown if the player is in motion, as was the case here. It was an inarguably bad call.

Holding can ALWAYS been avoided and there is no clause stating that being run over and grabbing onto the defensive guy is a defense. So no, this argument has no validity - at least according to the rules of the NFL.

It was a fumble at the end of the game. They went through it extensively on NFL network.

The NFL Network (a network...run by the NFL) went out of their way to prove that the refs (employed by the NFL) didn't in fact blow the call? So the NFL network (a network...run by the NFL) didn't question the legitimacy of the NFL World Champion? Sorry, I'm not buying it. Regardless of whether it was a fumble or not, choosing to not review that play, in that situation is an absolutely unprofessional and stupid decision by everyone involved.

What really makes a bad smell revolting, however, is the fact that the NFL had all the reason in the world to want Pittsburgh to win. Pittsburgh winning gives the NFL far more revenue in merchandise than Arizona - and the fact that the last Pittsburgh Super Bowl was under equal cloud of ref/league abuse doesn't help either.

[That-Guy]

And here come the conspiracy theories. If the NFL was trying to let Pittsburgh win, then why the hell would they take a touchdown away, regardless of whether he made it across the line or not? Why would they call for holding in the endzone and award the safety? Why would they put them 20 yards back at the start of their last minute effort? Why would they only call for roughing the passer and "not review" the fumble at the end?

This is what I love about your argument: you're saying the calls were bad, but only the ones that would have benefited Arizona. There were other questionable calls, like the incomplete pass call the first time Warner got sacked, because he pumped his arm. Who the hell was he throwing to? No one... he knew they were going to get him so at the last minute he faked like he was going to throw. Not that I blame him, it was a smart move, but there was no intended receiver there. But they called it incomplete, so fine, move on.

I'm not saying that the officiating in this game was spot on. There were questionable calls and there were missed things too. But when you start playing the "evil NFL conspiracy" card, you just sound like another sore loser.

[Dark Donnie]

That was an obvious hold when that safety was called. That's in the rules. :huh: If you want to talk bogus calls, find me the section in the NFL rule book where it's illegal to run into the holder during a field goal which gave them a whole new set of downs. :huh:

I'm not begrudging the Steelers their win but the officiating during that game was awful.

It is a rule. A holder is called a "defenseless player". Defenseless players are Kickers, Holders, Snappers, passers when in vulnerable positions, the resulting call is usually Unnecessary Roughness which was called.

[That-Guy]

It is a rule. A holder is called a "defenseless player". Defenseless players are Kickers, Holders, Snappers, passers when in vulnerable positions, the resulting call is usually Unnecessary Roughness which was called.

Yup.:up:

The guy is on his knees; more than any other player in the game, the holder is the most defenseless player.

[Erzengel]

It is a rule. A holder is called a "defenseless player". Defenseless players are Kickers, Holders, Snappers, passers when in vulnerable positions, the resulting call is usually Unnecessary Roughness which was called.

The call on the field was running into the holder.

However, the official log I think it was called it unnecessary roughness. :huh: Roughing the kicker is a 15 yard penalty and a first down. Running into a kicker is only 5 yard penalty. So how does running into into a holder give someone a new set of downs?

[StorminNorman]

They took out running into the kicker this year.

[StorminNorman]

And here come the conspiracy theories. If the NFL was trying to let Pittsburgh win, then why the hell would they take a touchdown away, regardless of whether he made it across the line or not? Why would they call for holding in the endzone and award the safety? Why would they put them 20 yards back at the start of their last minute effort? Why would they only call for roughing the passer and "not review" the fumble at the end?

This is what I love about your argument: you're saying the calls were bad, but only the ones that would have benefited Arizona. There were other questionable calls, like the incomplete pass call the first time Warner got sacked, because he pumped his arm. Who the hell was he throwing to? No one... he knew they were going to get him so at the last minute he faked like he was going to throw. Not that I blame him, it was a smart move, but there was no intended receiver there. But they called it incomplete, so fine, move on.

I'm not saying that the officiating in this game was spot on. There were questionable calls and there were missed things too. But when you start playing the "evil NFL conspiracy" card, you just sound like another sore loser.

If the ref's did their job properly, there would be no basis for an evil NFL conspiracy card. But the two most controversially officiated games in the past decade have just happened to be two Super Bowls the Steelers were in, and in favor of those same Steelers.

[vindrow]

I don't know what's worse -- that in seemingly every close game any more, the fans of the losing team say they were robbed of the win by the refs, or the fact that the refs are doing such a poor job that a lot of the claims have merit. I really hope they clean up the officiating in some way. I'm all for making them full-time employees.


Ding, ding, ding..we have a winner.

[SurfDUI]

Cool.
That's the second time in the past 12 hours someone has taken a pic I posted and made it their avatar, which is weird because the only other time it has happened in the time I have been here was when Surf used a pic I made for him.

And I thank ya friend http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Mister J]

According to the ESPNews ticker, the Cardinals have agreed to part ways with their Defensive Coordinator.

Yeesh.

[StorminNorman]

Very interesting...

[Mister J]

I had a crack ready about the usual necessity of a team actually winning a Super Bowl before this kind of exodus is effectuated, but it's a bit overstated at this point. Eh.

[Mastodon123]

Maybe he'll end up in Kansas City with Haley. Boldin doesn't want to be in Arizona anymore. Maybe he'll get traded to the Chiefs.

[Dark Donnie]

Cardinals Defense-TM-Cardinals Feb. 6 - 7:07 pm et

NFL.com's Steve Wyche believes Steelers linebackers coach Keith Butler is a candidate to replace Clancy Pendergast as Cardinals defensive coordinators.
The Cardinals tried to interview Butler in 2007 but were denied by the Steelers. Whisenhunt apparently wants to get back to a more traditional 3-4 scheme after using Pendergast's hybrid defense for the past few seasons.
Source: NFL.com

[Go Web Go!]

Maybe he'll end up in Kansas City with Haley. Boldin doesn't want to be in Arizona anymore. Maybe he'll get traded to the Chiefs.

So that they can yell at eachother some more?

[Immortalfire]

So that they can yell at eachother some more?

LoL

[Mee]

Go Cowboys!



Jessica Simpson is training to fill in on the O-line. :up:

[Cunning Stunts]

How about because Roethlisberger didn't score on the first touchdown, your offensive tackle really did commit holding on both instances.

No one is saying that the refs were completely wrong the entire game, I won't even go as far to say that the refs wanted Pittsburgh to win - but there are two calls in favor of the Steelers that were huge. Namely the fake roughing the passer/non intentional grounding call which was a thirty plus yard penalty and the lack of review for the non-fumble at the end.

Both of which Mike Pereira cleared up. He said he hadn't seen a call for Running Into The Holder (or whatever was called) in years, but it's definitely in the rule book.

The Kurt Warner fumble WAS in fact reviewed, but it was reviewed by the booth almost immediately (and such, no reason to make the announcement, as it was such an obvious fumble to them apparently), and Pereira ALSO came on the NFL Channel stating that this WAS a fumble.

It's pretty annoying to see how people cannot accept that Pittsburgh won a record-breaking sixth Super Bowl LEGITIMATELY... By legit, I mean WITHOUT help from officials, WITHOUT cheating, and WITHOUT any other bogus call you guys might make.

The same thing happens any time a certain player, team, or whatever else gets on top. There's going to be that group of people who won't accept actual evidence that they are in fact wrong and that the win was legitimate. Get over it people, the Steelers won!

[Cunning Stunts]

Maybe he'll end up in Kansas City with Haley. Boldin doesn't want to be in Arizona anymore. Maybe he'll get traded to the Chiefs.

And then next year, the Chiefs will take down the Cards in the Super Bowl. :hehe:

I think I would **** myself laughing if that happened.

[Alex The Great]

:cmad::up: DA PATS! :cmad::up:

Ahhh.....been A While since i've said that :yay:

[Dr. Evil]

The Raiders are expected to cut S Michael Huff this offseason.
Huff has been a disaster since being selected No. 7 overall in 2006. Not only has he tackled poorly, he's also been consistently beaten in coverage for the past two seasons. Rashad Baker is likely to be brought back as Hiram Eugene's backup.
Source: Sacramento Bee


Since when has there been an NFL player named Hiram?

[NewYorkSpider]

How Gross can help the Panthers.

Jordan Gross is viewed by most Carolina Panthers fans as a team player.
And that’s a valid and warranted reputation he’s earned through six seasons with the team. After all, he’s played through injuries and missed only one start since coming to the Panthers in 2003, all the while doing so at a high level. And he's never been a problem off the field.
But Gross can take his reputation a step further in the next two weeks and do the Panthers organization a tremendous favor and earn even more admiration from fans by signing a contract extension with the Panthers.
Heck, it doesn’t even have to be long-term – it can be for a one year.
But simply by signing his name to a contract Gross will help the Panthers out tremendously.
If Gross re-signs, it allows the Panthers to put the franchise tag on defensive end Julius Peppers. At that point, the Panthers can trade Peppers and get some draft picks (probably at least a first- and third-round pick) in return, which obviously would improve the team.
On the other hand, if Gross wants to play hardball and resist signing as long as he can, then he could ultimately weaken the Panthers.



You can read the full article here. (http://carolinagrowl.com/Read.aspx?Story=1022)

[Double Down]

That's not Gross' responsibility. I've seen too many teams screw over players. Gross shouldn't take less just so the Panthers can restrict what Peppers can do. If Gross signed a lesser deal, would that prevent the Panthers from cutting him if his play declines? No, it would actually make it easier to cut him, cap-wise. If Gross signs early, it will to be avoid getting tagged himself, not so that it can be saved for Peppers.

[danielisthor]

That's not Gross' responsibility. I've seen too many teams screw over players. Gross shouldn't take less just so the Panthers can restrict what Peppers can do. If Gross signed a lesser deal, would that prevent the Panthers from cutting him if his play declines? No, it would actually make it easier to cut him, cap-wise. If Gross signs early, it will to be avoid getting tagged himself, not so that it can be saved for Peppers.


I agree. Players need to do what's best for them and their family first, team second. They have a limited time to make as much money as they can before their careers end and they're back to being a normal citizen. The team always thinks of it's self first before it's individual players. How many times have we seen players get cut because of a minor injury or getting cut because of a roster bonus after years of service, so the team can save a couple hundred thousand dollars and sign a particular free agent. Veterans are constantly replaced by younger and in some cases not as good players so teams can save on the almighty salary cap. Yet in turn give that player a signing bonus that exceeds what that roster bonus would of been.

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:
A veteran NFL scout told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the Rams were shopping Orlando Pace and Torry Holt for a third-round pick at last month's Senior Bowl.
St. Louis reportedly could've gotten a first-rounder for Holt at last October's trade deadline from an NFL team "believed to be" the Titans. The Rams balked at the offer, as interim coach Jim Haslett was trying to win games and keep the full-time head job. Pace is coming off a better season and is more valuable property than Holt now. However, St. Louis can double its salary cap space from $14M to $28M by moving both players by June 1.

[Matt]

God, the Pro-Bowl sucks :csad:

[NewYorkSpider]

Does Andy Reid hold the record for most Pro Bowl's coached?


LARRY FITZGERALD! WHAT A CATCH!

[The Game]

God, the Pro-Bowl sucks :csad:

Yep

[wiegeabo]

Hell of a catch by Fitz.

[wiegeabo]

God, the Pro-Bowl sucks :csad:

That's the problem with All-Star games. They sound good in theory, but there's no real incentive. At least, there doesn't seem to be anymore.

It seemed when I was a kid, players would give their all during all-star games because it was their chance to go all out without worries about screwing stuff up. Although, maybe that's just the way I remember it.

That's the one thing I do like about the MLB All-Star game. They have an incentive now. The winning side gets home field advantage during the World Series. They could do something like that in the NBA and NHL. But what can they do in Football? Winning Pro-Bowl team gets to elect to kick/receive in the Superbowl (essentially automatically winning the coin toss)?

[Kelly]

Let me just say, this Pro Bowl half time.......SUCKS.....

[Dr. Evil]

The girl singing the halftime is hot. Granted she's not Beyonce, Ashanti or Jordin Sparks, but she's hot.

How come the NFL hasn't gotten rid of this game yet? What the hell do these guys play for? Why not have an Awards Show, shown on NFL Network?

[FaT_tONle]

Is the game going on now? Is anyone actually watching??? Man the Pro Bowl is the worst thing in the NFL as far as games go... the only thing that is worse are the final week of pre-season games. Hopefully the switch to two weeks prior generates more buzz... but the NFL needs to encourage the players and coaches to start taking it more seriously.

[Dr. Evil]

At least the Hall of Fame game has some meaning.

Especially the 2009 game, Tennessee vs. Buffalo. The 60th Anniversary of the American Football League. Both teams still have their original owners.

[wiegeabo]

Wait, what switch to two weeks prior?

[Matt]

That's the problem with All-Star games. They sound good in theory, but there's no real incentive. At least, there doesn't seem to be anymore.

It seemed when I was a kid, players would give their all during all-star games because it was their chance to go all out without worries about screwing stuff up. Although, maybe that's just the way I remember it.

That's the one thing I do like about the MLB All-Star game. They have an incentive now. The winning side gets home field advantage during the World Series. They could do something like that in the NBA and NHL. But what can they do in Football? Winning Pro-Bowl team gets to elect to kick/receive in the Superbowl (essentially automatically winning the coin toss)?

Cash is the only incentive you can really give.

[Dr. Evil]

That's the problem with All-Star games. They sound good in theory, but there's no real incentive. At least, there doesn't seem to be anymore.

It seemed when I was a kid, players would give their all during all-star games because it was their chance to go all out without worries about screwing stuff up. Although, maybe that's just the way I remember it.

That's the one thing I do like about the MLB All-Star game. They have an incentive now. The winning side gets home field advantage during the World Series. They could do something like that in the NBA and NHL. But what can they do in Football? Winning Pro-Bowl team gets to elect to kick/receive in the Superbowl (essentially automatically winning the coin toss)?

The incentive was only put in to prevent a tie. We all remember how bad baseball was embarrassed due to an All Star game tie.

[wiegeabo]

The incentive was only put in to prevent a tie. We all remember how bad baseball was embarrassed due to an All Star game tie.

I don't care why they put it in there (I do remember that), but I like the idea. It gives the All-Star games some meaning.

[wiegeabo]

Cash is the only incentive you can really give.

And with what most of these guys probably make, it's a drop in the bucket.

[Cunning Stunts]

Cash is the only incentive you can really give.

An extra lower-round draft pick (maybe fourth or fifth, or maybe depending on the scores?) for each team involved in the winning conference (I think all teams should get it, since the Pro Bowl's fan-based selections tend to make it more of a "Popularity" Bowl rather than a "Skill" Bowl) would be an excellent incentive.

[Dr. Evil]

I don't care why they put it in there (I do remember that), but I like the idea. It gives the All-Star games some meaning.

Yep. It makes the Major Leaguers who are selected have a reason to be at the game and give the people at home a valid reason to watch.

[Cunning Stunts]

Does Andy Reid hold the record for most Pro Bowl's coached?


LARRY FITZGERALD! WHAT A CATCH!

John Madden and Tom Landry hold that record (with 5 each).

[wiegeabo]

The Pro-Bowl also suffers from another issue that no type of incentive can overcome. It has to be played after the season ends.

There's no real way to sneak it in the middle of the season. Players need time to recover and if there's an injury, there's no offseason to recover in. Unlike other sports where if you're injured in the all-star game and miss a couple of games because of it, it's not a big deal. So the Pro-Bowl has to take place after the Superbowl when all they hype dies away.

It's like that game is set up to fail. :(

[Dr. Evil]

Just get rid of the Pro Bowl and do an Awards Show at the end of the year.

To be broadcast on NFL Network. Rich Eisen hosting, with Kara Henderson doing interviews with the winners. Could award:

- Offensive Rookie of the Year
- Defensive Rookie of the Year
- Offensive Player of the Year
- Defensive Player of the Year
- Coach of the Year
- Walter Payton Man of the Year Award
- Comeback Player of the Year
- NFL Most Valuable Player

Also, could name the All Pro Teams during the show.

[Cunning Stunts]

The Pro-Bowl also suffers from another issue that no type of incentive can overcome. It has to be played after the season ends.

There's no real way to sneak it in the middle of the season. Players need time to recover and if there's an injury, there's no offseason to recover in. Unlike other sports where if you're injured in the all-star game and miss a couple of games because of it, it's not a big deal. So the Pro-Bowl has to take place after the Superbowl when all they hype dies away.

It's like that game is set up to fail. :(

That's probably why next year the Pro Bowl is being moved to the Super Bowl's site in Miami, and is being played one week before. Stupid decision, in my opinion. A part of me feels glad for the non-Super Bowl players that'll replace the Super Bowl players (I have no doubt that both teams will tell their players they're not allowed to play in the Pro Bowl), but at the same time... Why? I don't see any legit justification for it.

[FaT_tONle]

Wait, what switch to two weeks prior?

Week before the Superbowl next year. I like the switch... play it at the same site as the game and maybe a Superbowl participating player would play a series, especially those players who have never played in the Pro Bowl. No one cares about anything done after the Superbowl.

[wiegeabo]

That does sound stupid. No way in hell I'm letting my Superbowl quarterback play in the Pro-Bowl when the opposing Superbowl players will try to destroy him so he can't play in the big game.

What they should do is not pick the Pro-Bowl teams until the playoffs.

[wiegeabo]

Just get rid of the Pro Bowl and do an Awards Show at the end of the year.

To be broadcast on NFL Network. Rich Eisen hosting, with Kara Henderson doing interviews with the winners. Could award:

- Offensive Rookie of the Year
- Defensive Rookie of the Year
- Offensive Player of the Year
- Defensive Player of the Year
- Coach of the Year
- Walter Payton Man of the Year Award
- Comeback Player of the Year
- NFL Most Valuable Player

Also, could name the All Pro Teams during the show.


No reason they can't have an awards show right now.

I'd also add the categories Best Offensive Play of the Year and Best Defensive Play of the Year. Throughout the show, they can show the plays and then announce the winners near the end. Of course, they'd have to figure out a way to determine what a 'best play' is.

[Cunning Stunts]

That does sound stupid. No way in hell I'm letting my Superbowl quarterback play in the Pro-Bowl when the opposing Superbowl players will try to destroy him so he can't play in the big game.

What they should do is not pick the Pro-Bowl teams until the playoffs.

Or have the top players at each position make the Pro Bowl... Either that or have an unbiased (I know, impossible) committee vote on it. Ben Roethlisberger is my case in point, he didn't perform statistically soundly this year, but he was still an amazing leader that did what counted- came back when his team needed it most and MADE his team win, whether that was through his play or his leadership.

[wiegeabo]

Crazy ideas to give the Pro-Bowl some meaning:

-Winning conference gets home field advantage during the pre-season. Imagine the advantage rookies would get from always being at home. And the advantage teams would get not having to travel. (Of course, I'd also shorten the pre-season to four games, max, but that's another argument.)

or

-Winning conference gets home field advantage during the first week of the next season. They could make a whole thing about the first week by pitting teams against their same-ranked counter parts. NFC #1 vs AFC #1 (Superbowl rematch), NFC #2 vs AFC #2 (Championship game losers), on down to the bottom ranked teams. Hell, it would give the bottom ranked teams a chance to start the season on a positive note.

[Cunning Stunts]

Crazy ideas to give the Pro-Bowl some meaning:

-Winning conference gets home field advantage during the pre-season. Imagine the advantage rookies would get from always being at home. And the advantage teams would get not having to travel. (Of course, I'd also shorten the pre-season to four games, max, but that's another argument.)

or

-Winning conference gets home field advantage during the first week of the next season. They could make a whole thing about the first week by pitting teams against their same-ranked counter parts. NFC #1 vs AFC #1 (Superbowl rematch), NFC #2 vs AFC #2 (Championship game losers), on down to the bottom ranked teams. Hell, it would give the bottom ranked teams a chance to start the season on a positive note.

The schedule is made a certain rotating way, though, and #2 would interfere greatly with it. Just so you know, this is how they do it:

6 Games from your own division, (3 home, 3 away, 3 teams twice)
4 Games from one division in your own conference
4 Games from one division in the opposing conference
2 Games in your own conference determined based on your previous season's record compared to other teams' records (If you're ranked #1, you'll play #2 and #3).

[wiegeabo]

Well, if they're already playing 4 games in the opposing conference, this first week would be one of them.

But they are just crazy ideas I threw out there knowing there'd be a number of issues.


Here's another crazy idea. No bonus for losing Pro-Bowl teams. (Just saw them talking about this.) This season, winners get $90,000 each, losers $45,000 each. What about $135,000 for each winner, nothing for the loser?

[Cunning Stunts]

Well, if they're already playing 4 games in the opposing conference, this first week would be one of them.

But they are just crazy ideas I threw out there knowing there'd be a number of issues.


Here's another crazy idea. No bonus for losing Pro-Bowl teams. (Just saw them talking about this.) This season, winners get $90,000 each, losers $45,000 each. What about $135,000 for each winner, nothing for the loser?

What I'm trying to get at though, is that the division is already determined. Over a course of four years, you play the North, South, East, and West divisions in both conferences. For example, next year, the Steelers will not be playing the Cardinals, as they played the NFC West during the 2007 season, and thus will not play them again until 2011 season.

I do agree with that last one, though.

I think the winning team getting draft picks might be an even bigger reason to play with more effort though.

[wiegeabo]

Ah, that wasn't clear.

[Dr. Evil]

That was a weird play.

[Double Down]

The Pro Bowl is entirely worthless. Warner was the starter and he threw two passes. What was the point of practicing all week? But if I was him, I wouldn't even have played a single down. He's an unrestricted free agent. Same with other unrestricted free agents. What if Albert Haynesworth or Julius Peppers got hurt during this game? How much would that cost them? Just end this charade.

[FaT_tONle]

How about this:

1) Play the game week after Thanksgiving before the stretch run... winning conference gets homefield... period. Make it your London game or overseas game since the NFL needs one of those every year. It would probably draw more ratings than a playoff game if that were the case. Extend the entire season about a week or two without even playing an extra regular season game or cutting short the preseason... and split the voting between coaches, media, and fans 1/3 each so it would be slightly more fair.

2) Play it in the spring (right before the draft) or final week of pre-season. Winning conference hosts an extra inter-conference game.

3) Play it week before the Superbowl as they will do or leave it as is.

[Immortalfire]

Yay NFC :up:


I didn't know the damn thing was even on

[wiegeabo]

Yay NFC :up:


I didn't know the damn thing was even on

Don't worry. I think we're the only half-dozen that did.

[Immortalfire]

Roddy White, 1 catch for 26 yards..cool.

[Go Web Go!]

Talk about dirty bird...

Former Atlanta Falcons running back Jamal Anderson was arrested and booked into an Atlanta-area jail late Saturday night on a felony possession-of-cocaine charge and possession-of-marijuana charge, a misdemeanor.

Anderson, an NFL analyst for ESPN's First Take this past season, was booked into the Fulton County jail in Georgia and denied bond.

His first hearing was set for Monday morning, the Fulton County sheriff's office said Sunday.

According to a police spokesman, a nightclub patron at the Peachtree Tavern alerted an off-duty police officer who was working security to possible drug use in the club's restroom, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

"The patron had heard what he thought was sniffing from inside the stall and told the off-duty officer," police spokesman Otis Redmond said, according to the newspaper. "The officer went into the restroom, heard the same sniffing and peered over the stall door. He saw Jamal Anderson and Mark Hudson sniffing two lines of powdered cocaine off the back of the toilet."

Hudson, 20, was also arrested at the bar in the Buckhead area of Atlanta, the report said.

Police found a 1-inch square bag of cocaine and a suspected marijuana cigarette in Anderson's pocket, according to the paper. Police said both men were in possession of cocaine, according to other local reports.

"We just learned of this situation, and it is not appropriate for us to comment until we have more information," said George McNeilly, senior director of communications at ESPN, in a statement Sunday morning.

Anderson, 36, last played in 2001. He helped lead the Falcons to their first NFC title in 1998, when he rushed for 1,846 yards and set an NFL record for carries in a season with 410. It was his only Pro Bowl season.

The Falcons lost to the Denver Broncos in the Super Bowl that season.

Anderson rushed for 5,336 yards in eight NFL seasons, all with the Falcons. He retired after tearing the ACL in his left knee. He tore the ACL in his right knee during the 1999 season.

He was drafted out of Utah by the Falcons in the seventh round of the 1994 NFL draft,
No. 201 overall.

[Immortalfire]

Wonderful.

[Mister J]

How junky do you have to be in order to do lines off a toilet basin in a public establishment ...in a bathroom stall with another dude? :dry:

[RAMORE]

How about this:

1) Play the game week after Thanksgiving before the stretch run... winning conference gets homefield... period. Make it your London game or overseas game since the NFL needs one of those every year. It would probably draw more ratings than a playoff game if that were the case. Extend the entire season about a week or two without even playing an extra regular season game or cutting short the preseason... and split the voting between coaches, media, and fans 1/3 each so it would be slightly more fair.


I love this idea:up: Make it the London/overseas game so no team get's shafted a homefield game. The fans there will love to see more stars. The players get to go to an international locale not just hawaii every year. I would also only play the winners.

[Erzengel]

Hahahaha. I forgot the Pro Bowl was yesterday. The only sport where their "all star" most people don't take seriously.

[The Incredible Hulk]

Just get rid of the Pro Bowl and do an Awards Show at the end of the year.

To be broadcast on NFL Network. Rich Eisen hosting, with Kara Henderson doing interviews with the winners. Could award:

- Offensive Rookie of the Year
- Defensive Rookie of the Year
- Offensive Player of the Year
- Defensive Player of the Year
- Coach of the Year
- Walter Payton Man of the Year Award
- Comeback Player of the Year
- NFL Most Valuable Player

Also, could name the All Pro Teams during the show.

that sound like something lame the NHL would do. The ESPY's are brutal enough as is, I dont think I could take another sports awards show.

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:

http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gifEdgerrin James, expected to be released by the Cardinals, reportedly wants to finish his career in Florida.
The Tampa Tribune reports a "piping hot" rumor about Edge joining the Bucs, but it turns out to be simply an ESPN analyst suggesting Tampa as a sensible landing spot. The Bucs should be rebuilding on offense instead of throwing money at aging mediocrities.


and


http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gifSI's Peter King bets that Terrell Owens will be cut free from the Cowboys within in the next six weeks.
King joins NFL Network's Adam Schefter and FOXSports' Jay Glazer, who have previously predicted that T.O.'s days in Dallas are numbered. Considering Schefter's track record on predictions, it's probably safe to add T.O.'s name to free agent lists.

[Erzengel]

He's not worth the headache. He drops too many passes for every 1 pass that he is able to bring down.

[Dr. Evil]

Cards could be interested in Mike "I Hate Running Plays" Martz:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/08/cards-eyeing-martz/

[Raiden]

Cards could be interested in Mike "I Hate Running Plays" Martz:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/08/cards-eyeing-martz/

I guess Cardinals wanted to resurrect Rams' "Greatest Show on Turf" offense with Martz and Warner.

[StorminNorman]

Cards could be interested in Mike "I Hate Running Plays" Martz:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/02/08/cards-eyeing-martz/

I actually discussed this possibility with a friend the other day, he was convinced there was no way Wisenhunt would hire him.

[Immortalfire]

Big Ben played the Super Bowl hurt. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txsteelersroethlisberger&prov=st&type=lgns

The Super Bowl game-winning drive orchestrated by quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will go down as one of the best in history.

It’s even more impressive in the wake of learning that Roethlisberger played the game with at least two small rib fractures.

SI.com reported that Roethlisberger’s injury was discovered following an MRI exam on the Thursday after Super Bowl XLIII.

“Luckily, in the game, I didn’t take any big hits to make ‘em hurt,” Roethlisberger told the web site. “But I knew all along there was something wrong. There wouldn’t have been anything they could have done about fractured ribs anyway. It was just suck it up and play.”

Roethlisberger drove the Steelers 78 yards for the winning touchdown, connecting with Santonio Holmes on a 6-yard scoring pass with 35 seconds left in the Steelers’ 27-23 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

Prior to the Super Bowl, Roethlisberger underwent X-rays of the rib area, which were negative. He had absorbed a crunching hit to the back early in the AFC championship game against the Baltimore Ravens.

Ben being hurt is not news.

[Raiden]

Big Ben played the Super Bowl hurt. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txsteelersroethlisberger&prov=st&type=lgns



Ben being hurt is not news.

With that O-Line of theirs, I'd be more surprised if Big Ben doesn't have injuries.

[Erzengel]

But according to Ben, their o-line was great. :huh:

[Cunning Stunts]

But according to Ben, their o-line was great. :huh:

Do you really think a guy like Ben is going to throw his O-Line under the bus? That's all PR, dude (or dudette, whichever you are :p).

[Erzengel]

Yeah but Ben could have just not said anything but he had to keep bringing it up. :huh:

[Cunning Stunts]

Yeah but Ben could have just not said anything but he had to keep bringing it up. :huh:

He was asked about it though, I'm sure. Plus, you gotta protect the guys that protect you. Those are the five guys that are there every play to make sure your face doesn't hit the dirt (although they didn't do it every play by any stretch of the word). Being a nice guy, he probably decided he wanted to stick up for those guys when everyone was slamming them all season.

They deserved the slamming, but I'd have probably stuck up for the guys too.

[gogetter0587]

I think Packers make a jump up and take the weak NFC north,

( mostly just a subscription)

[Cunning Stunts]

I think it'll be Vikes, provided they can get a better WR and QB.

[Erzengel]

He was asked about it though, I'm sure. Plus, you gotta protect the guys that protect you. Those are the five guys that are there every play to make sure your face doesn't hit the dirt (although they didn't do it every play by any stretch of the word). Being a nice guy, he probably decided he wanted to stick up for those guys when everyone was slamming them all season.

They deserved the slamming, but I'd have probably stuck up for the guys too.
He wasn't. I think he was just given the trophy and he just said it. Then in an interview later then he might have been asked OR he could have brought it up again. I don't remember. The former though was all him.

[Cunning Stunts]

He wasn't. I think he was just given the trophy and he just said it. Then in an interview later then he might have been asked OR he could have brought it up again. I don't remember. The former though was all him.

In my opinion, even more props to him then. :up:

[Raiden]

He was asked about it though, I'm sure. Plus, you gotta protect the guys that protect you. Those are the five guys that are there every play to make sure your face doesn't hit the dirt (although they didn't do it every play by any stretch of the word). Being a nice guy, he probably decided he wanted to stick up for those guys when everyone was slamming them all season.

They deserved the slamming, but I'd have probably stuck up for the guys too.

I don't think it'd be wise for a quarterback to slam his offensive linemen publicly, unless he wants to get sacked more often due to their retaliation.

[The Incredible Hulk]

I actually discussed this possibility with a friend the other day, he was convinced there was no way Wisenhunt would hire him.

well that and Martz and Warner had a big time falling out which led to Warner leaving St. Louis in the first place.

[StorminNorman]

I believe Warner and Martz made up, though, for the most part. I believe Martz wanted Warner during his time in Detroit.

[Double Down]

I think this story may show why Warner wouldn't want to work with Martz:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/116507-kurt-warner-silences-mike-martz-and-his-media-lapdog-bernie-miklasz

I agree that they have mended fences somewhat, but I don't necessarily think that means Warner would like to work with Martz again. I also think that Warner is too classy to say that out loud, though.

[Mastodon123]

Apparently the Lions might try and get Haynesworth.

[Caped Crusader]

Giants resign Carr, Cut Madison, Droughns & Knight

[Excel]

Apparently the Lions might try and get Haynesworth.

No surprise. Also no surprise, he wont got there. Though this may be a sign they will be more defensive minded than offensivly...maybe Curry at #1 wouldnt be so bad.

[Mastodon123]

No surprise. Also no surprise, he wont got there. Though this may be a sign they will be more defensive minded than offensivly...maybe Curry at #1 wouldnt be so bad.

The reason I could see him going there is because of Schwartz, but I can't see the Lions signing him making him highest paid player in the NFL. Signing him would be a risk too, he ends up missing games every season.

[Double Down]

The reason I could see him going there is because of Schwartz, but I can't see the Lions signing him making him highest paid player in the NFL. Signing him would be a risk too, he ends up missing games every season.

Over the last three seasons, Tennessee is 28-10 with Haynesworth in the lineup and 3-7 without him. He is worth the money.

[Cunning Stunts]

No surprise. Also no surprise, he wont got there. Though this may be a sign they will be more defensive minded than offensivly...maybe Curry at #1 wouldnt be so bad.

They NEED to be Defensive minded. They've been Offensive minded the past few years (drafting a receiver at #1 SEVERAL times over the past decade), and need to get what they NEED now, rather than what's available.

The reason I could see him going there is because of Schwartz, but I can't see the Lions signing him making him highest paid player in the NFL. Signing him would be a risk too, he ends up missing games every season.

He's also one of the most dominant defensive lineman/players in the league right now. He's WELL worth the money for a team in such dire need of wins.

[NewYorkSpider]

They NEED to be Defensive minded. They've been Offensive minded the past few years (drafting a receiver at #1 SEVERAL times over the past decade), and need to get what they NEED now, rather than what's available.

Drafting defensive players over a period of time doesn't ensure you're defense is going to be great. And the reason they drafted a WR all the time is because Matt Millen is retard. The Rams have drafted defense in the first round over the past 4 few years. Where has that gotten them? They haven't drafted a QB in a LONG time. There's not one leader on that team that has stood up. Mark Bulger's time is gone, Trent Green is injury prone and who the hell is Brock Berlin? :huh: IMO, drafting defense can be just as risky as drafting a QB. The Lions need a leader to step up and take control of this team. Stafford is that guy.

[Cunning Stunts]

Drafting defensive players over a period of time doesn't ensure you're defense is going to be great. And the reason they drafted a WR all the time is because Matt Millen is retard. The Rams have drafted defense in the first round over the past 4 few years. Where has that gotten them? They haven't drafted a QB in a LONG time. There's not one leader on that team that has stood up. Mark Bulger's time is gone, Trent Green is injury prone and who the hell is Brock Berlin? :huh: IMO, drafting defense can be just as risky as drafting a QB. The Lions need a leader to step up and take control of this team. Stafford is that guy.

My point is that they've been working on the offense over the past few years, and not the defense at all. Many of their games came within three points of a loss over the past few years (many of which were higher-scoring games, if I recall correctly). This tells me they need a defense that can shut down the opponents, leaving the offense more free to cut time off the clock.

I'm not saying they need to draft a ton of defensive players to get successful. I made a note of how they've drafted WR after WR with their #1 picks in recent years, which is a trend that points toward their more offensive-minded philosophy. They've got a decent offense that could use a QB, and probably a better RB. What they need to do now is power-up that defense, because it's been terrible.

[StorminNorman]

Apparently the Lions might try and get Haynesworth.

They can try all they want. They won't get him.

No surprise. Also no surprise, he wont got there. Though this may be a sign they will be more defensive minded than offensivly...maybe Curry at #1 wouldnt be so bad.

If they sign a good defensive free agent they would have to go Stafford at 1.

The reason I could see him going there is because of Schwartz, but I can't see the Lions signing him making him highest paid player in the NFL. Signing him would be a risk too, he ends up missing games every season.

Its not going to happen. Detroit is not a team that is going to invest millions into a player that will only play at an elite level for a few more years.

They NEED to be Defensive minded. They've been Offensive minded the past few years (drafting a receiver at #1 SEVERAL times over the past decade), and need to get what they NEED now, rather than what's available.

But they still...NEED Offensive players. They lack a QB - they do not have a single QB that should remain on their roster.

He's also one of the most dominant defensive lineman/players in the league right now. He's WELL worth the money for a team in such dire need of wins.

No he's not. Haynesworth would be one of the worst free agents Detroit can sign. He would cost outrageous amounts of money that Detroit needs to invest in YOUNG players.

[Cunning Stunts]

But they still...NEED Offensive players. They lack a QB - they do not have a single QB that should remain on their roster.

No he's not. Haynesworth would be one of the worst free agents Detroit can sign. He would cost outrageous amounts of money that Detroit needs to invest in YOUNG players.

I agree in that they need to draft Stafford. I'm not implying that they need to drop draft pick after draft pick on the defense, as I've stated before. Please read my posts. I think they need to haul ass and sign some experienced defensive players, because a younger team will need leadership as well. One or two older guys wouldn't harm the team at all (they'd do a lot of good, I think), especially a guy as dominant as Haynesworth. I agree 100% that they need to shell out money for some younger guys, but I can almost guarantee that they're going to drop even more trying to get some vets to help carry the younger guys through the season.

Look at Kansas City... That's almost all younger guys, but look who the offense is lead by ultimately- Tony Gonzalez, who's even said he'll likely only be around for about two more years.

[NewYorkSpider]

My point is that they've been working on the offense over the past few years, and not the defense at all.

They have only been working on thier WR. :huh: They haven't done anything to help the offensive line. No offensive line means no running game. No running game means A LOT of passing plays. When you pass the ball as much as Detroit, New Orleans and Denver, you're putting your defense out there more than it should be. It just makes them more tired. Look at some of the games that Denver and New Orleans have had. And yes, Denver and New Orleans do have better defenses than Detroit, but they have a better QB and offensive line.

Many of their games came within three points of a loss over the past few years (many of which were higher-scoring games, if I recall correctly). This tells me they need a defense that can shut down the opponents, leaving the offense more free to cut time off the clock.

Their offense has been declining over the years. Plus, they have a new defensive coordinator in Gunther Cunningham who's probably one of the best defensive coach in the last ten years. Now you have Jim Schwartz(another defensive coach) calling the shots. That defense is going to get better regardless of what they do in the draft. Is Detroit going to light it up next year and be one of the best teams in the NFC? Probably not. Establishing Stafford as the leader of that team and helping the offensive line establish the running game will get the offense going into the right direction. Then you can draft defense from round 2 and so on. Look at what the Falcons did in last years draft, then look at what they might do in this years draft.

I'm not saying they need to draft a ton of defensive players to get successful. I made a note of how they've drafted WR after WR with their #1 picks in recent years, which is a trend that points toward their more offensive-minded philosophy. They've got a decent offense that could use a QB, and probably a better RB. What they need to do now is power-up that defense, because it's been terrible.


QB, Yes. RB, No. They might sign a RB in free agency or use what they got. Kevin Smith is just waiting to be unleashed. He can't do that when there's no offensive line. The Lions can still grab a great defensive player at the beginning of round 2. There's DE Robert Ayers, LB Clint Sintim or if they're luck, DE Michael Johnson will be waiting for them.

[StorminNorman]

I agree in that they need to draft Stafford. I'm not implying that they need to drop draft pick after draft pick on the defense, as I've stated before. Please read my posts. I think they need to haul ass and sign some experienced defensive players, because a younger team will need leadership as well. One or two older guys wouldn't harm the team at all (they'd do a lot of good, I think), especially a guy as dominant as Haynesworth. I agree 100% that they need to shell out money for some younger guys, but I can almost guarantee that they're going to drop even more trying to get some vets to help carry the younger guys through the season.

Look at Kansas City... That's almost all younger guys, but look who the offense is lead by ultimately- Tony Gonzalez, who's even said he'll likely only be around for about two more years.

But Haynesworth isn't Tony Gonzalez. For one, the idea that Haynesworth would volunteer to go be a team leader in Detroit is one based strongly in fantasy. It will not happen. Period.

Tony Gonzalez is staying in Kansas City not for the chance to mold talent, but because he has history in KC. He IS the Chiefs. Now if Tony Gonzalez entered the free agency, would he choose to Detroit and help mold a young offense there OR...would he go to Philadelphia? Or New York? Or a place that can win now?

The answer is obvious.

[Shemtov]

my vital questions:

Will the Eagles let McNabb go? Reid?

What will happen in Detriot?

Will the cowboys return too there old state of donomince in the nfc east?

Will John Madden host the pro-bowl now that its not in hawa'ii?

[danielisthor]

my vital questions:

[quote]Will the Eagles let McNabb go? Reid?

Doing either would be like shooting yourself in both legs. If Reid was going to be replaced it would of happened already. Reid is safe for now. McNabb is interesting. Is there a team willing to trade for him, take on his salary and give up fair draft compensation and/or players for him. I can't image Philly just letting him walk for free.

What will happen in Detriot?

Positive way to look at it is "it can't get any worse". I agree with whoever said they need to start with their o-line.

Will the cowboys return too there old state of donomince in the nfc east?

Not as long as Jones tries to be owner/gm/and part time coach.

Will John Madden host the pro-bowl now that its not in hawa'ii?

Not unless he gets out of his CBS contract and works for ABC/ESPN

[gogetter0587]

Detroit signing AL Haynesworth would be like the Clippers signing Dennis Rodman of old. You do not want to sign a guy who has no leadership ability and cannot do anything by himself. He is not a creator he is a very very talented dude who helps his D, but you cannot help that D with one aging DT who would hate it because of the losing that takes place. Haynesworth fits with a winning team but would flop with a losing squad like the lions.

Cowboys are doomed as long as JJ owns them.

I say cut TO and get some competition for ROMO.

Packers should be much better next season. Also i think the AFC will continue to be a much better conference with teams like Bal, Pitt, IND, NE, SD, Den. NFC is fading fast with such teams as Det, San Fran, Seattle, St louis,

[Ultimate_Superman]

Well heres to hoping my Raiders and Skins have a better year.

I wish Al Davis would die already then we would be free :(


I know Raider fans will dance in the street once he leaves the team like when the Wicked Witch died.

[The Incredible Hulk]

The whole "Haynesworth to the Lions" is pure speculation that was started by that dummy "Killer Kowalski" over at Mlive.com. The Lions basically already had Albert Haynesworth in Shaun Rogers and traded him away (BTW we just cut the guy we acquired in that deal, Bodden, yesterday. Nice job, Millen). Boy was that ever a mistake. Schwartz would've loved to have had him on the D-line.

[Immortalfire]

I see where Dallas has released Pacman. 5 bucks says the Patriots pick him up.

[Go Web Go!]

...and he turns into a perennial Pro Bowler

[The Incredible Hulk]

I see where Dallas has released Pacman. 5 bucks says the Patriots pick him up.

paging Al Davis....

[Excel]

...and he turns into a perennial Pro Bowler

Haha...maybe. Bill did calm down Brandon Meriweather.

[Ultimate_Superman]

paging Al Davis....We don't want Pacman we're waiting for Vick to get of jail this year.

[Go Web Go!]

Haha...maybe. Bill did calm down Brandon Meriweather.

Don't forget about that " locker room cancer" Randy Moss

[Double Down]

From Rotoworld.com:

The National Football Post's Mike Lombardi believes that it's only become a matter time of before Terrell Owens is an ex-Cowboy.

The list of reporters who don't believe T.O. will be back: Lombardi, SI's Peter King, FOXSports' Jay Glazer, NFL Network's Adam Schefter, and ESPN's Ed Werder. Lombardi doesn't necessarily expect Owens to be cut, however, and suggests a trade to Oakland. T.O. probably wouldn't cost Al Davis more than a third-round pick and the Raiders are desperate for wideouts.

[Mister J]

From Rotoworld.com:

The National Football Post's Mike Lombardi believes that it's only become a matter time of before Terrell Owens is an ex-Cowboy.

The list of reporters who don't believe T.O. will be back: Lombardi, SI's Peter King, FOXSports' Jay Glazer, NFL Network's Adam Schefter, and ESPN's Ed Werder. Lombardi doesn't necessarily expect Owens to be cut, however, and suggests a trade to Oakland. T.O. probably wouldn't cost Al Davis more than a third-round pick and the Raiders are desperate for wideouts.
If it goes down, is there really a more likely option? :woot:

[Ultimate_Superman]

From Rotoworld.com:

The National Football Post's Mike Lombardi believes that it's only become a matter time of before Terrell Owens is an ex-Cowboy.

The list of reporters who don't believe T.O. will be back: Lombardi, SI's Peter King, FOXSports' Jay Glazer, NFL Network's Adam Schefter, and ESPN's Ed Werder. Lombardi doesn't necessarily expect Owens to be cut, however, and suggests a trade to Oakland. T.O. probably wouldn't cost Al Davis more than a third-round pick and the Raiders are desperate for wideouts. You know I really do not care for TO that much but if we get Vick this off season like how we are suppose to I think TO could work. But man do I really dislike that guy and I know he will drag down our team.

[wiegeabo]

Vick's coming back? Boy, I haven't been keeping up with that guy at all.

[Immortalfire]

Vick's coming back? Boy, I haven't been keeping up with that guy at all.

No one has.

He ain't coming back.

[Ultimate_Superman]

No one has.

He ain't coming back.He is suppose to.

[Mastodon123]

If Dallas does get rid of TO, and if Roy Williams and Romo work at it they would probably a great combo. Williams is a great WR.

[Excel]

Don't forget about that " locker room cancer" Randy Moss

He never shot at anybody the way those 2 did.

[gogetter0587]

CUT TO Please.

The guy is talented but is a complete disruption and has never been worth it.

Roy needs to improve but he will , he had exactly zero time to work with the cowboys last year. It would be beneficial to the boys to get a solid number two receiver i am not big on crayton or austin.

[Go Web Go!]

He never shot at anybody the way those 2 did.

No, but he drove his car off with an officer as his hood ornament.

[wiegeabo]

He is suppose to.

Hmm... Well, there would be a sort of symmetry there. The Raiders are the bad boys of football. Vick is a bad guy who can be one hell of a quarterback. TO acts like a bad guy who can be one hell of a receiver when he's not ****ing things up and keeps his head in the game rather than his ego.

It would either be a dream match up or a disastrous move. Although Vick could only help the Raiders if he can still play half as well as he was for the Falcons.

[Excel]

Owens isnt going anywhere. People think it will come down to Owens or Garrett and Jones will pick Garret, but I doubt it gets there.

The Cowboys are a team that was the 2nd best in the NFL in 2007 for the vast majority of the year. Romo got hurt early this season and that ****ed up everything.

[FaT_tONle]

Jerry will have a hard time giving Garret the job in 2010 if Shannahan is still sitting out there. I just think it depends what happens this year. If it is another early playoff exit they may want to start rebuilding with Garret. If they make a run but lose late I could see them going after Shannahan.

As for T.O... the cap hit is the same if they cut or trade him. Obviously we need mid-round draft picks for the OL, LB, and safety positions so it would make sense. But I don't think Crayton or Austin can step up and be that number two guy. I don't see them moving T.O this year.

[The Game]

If Dallas does get rid of TO, and if Roy Williams and Romo work at it they would probably a great combo. Williams is a great WR.

No way should Dallas get rid of TO the guy can ball, Wiliams antics have shown he could be the new 'TO' if anything

[StorminNorman]

The Cowboys should get rid of Terrell Owens (who would look great in Oakland) and then try for either a Housh in the free agency or pick up a WR like Mohammad Massaquoi in the third round to compliment Roy.

[Excel]

Roy Williams is fine. No problems there. The deal is, how do you Romo will do without Owens? Witten will not get as open as usual. Williams, though a fine possession wide reciever, is not Terrell Owens. He will be a great #1 at some point, but he does not have Owens big ability. The people saying T.O. isnt what he sued to be obviously missed this season:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80b68153

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80cb56db

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80ad9f9d

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80aa1f9f

Owens has game, theres no doubt. The team got rattled when Romo got hurt, than Jones did, then Barber got hurt/ was ineffective.

Its Jason Garretts job to get all these guys involved. I don't think it should be that. Owens your big play guy, William is the possession guy, Witten is another option. Barber is your pounder who takes the bulk of the carries, Jones comes in and is a spark plug in the 2nd half.

Its not hard, yet evidently it is for Garrett. Its easy to pin it all on Owens because for all of his carreer its been the case, but right now the teams struggle have very little to do with him.

[Excel]

I'm personally hoping Houshmandzadeh winds up in MIN.

No way. Berrien was a big play machine, and Sydney Rice was fantastic last year and is only 22 with enormous upside. Plus they have anasty line and running game anyway. Only thing theyll look to improve on offense is QB, and unless its McNabb or Cassel, it wouldn't even be worth it.

[FaT_tONle]

The Cowboys should get rid of Terrell Owens (who would look great in Oakland) and then try for either a Housh in the free agency or pick up a WR like Mohammad Massaquoi in the third round to compliment Roy.

We don't have the cap for those guys. We will be losing money canning T.O.

[Dark Donnie]

Report: Eagles, Jints favorites to get Boldin
ESPN's John Clayton calls the Eagles and the Giants the front-runners to acquire Anquan Boldin via offseason trade.
Philadelphia is reportedly the current favorite. Clayton believes Boldin's trade demand will be met, which would be big news for Steve Breaston dynasty owners. The compensation is expected to be a first- and third-round pick. Philly has two first-rounders (Nos. 21, 28). New York drafts 29th overall.

-Rotoworld

[Excel]

Boldin would be a great fit, they would be better off with Housh. Boldin is run after catch; he isn't a go to guy down the field.

[danielisthor]

-Rotoworld



I wouldn't trust anything John Clayton says.

But it would be a great pickup for Philly or the Giants.

We would love to have in Miami

[Go Web Go!]

We would love to have in Miami

I don't know if Miami's interested in gaving him, but word has been flying around for quite some time that he'd like to be a Dolphin. I'd welcome him. :woot:

[NewYorkSpider]

I disagree. A team like the Eagles could give up their first round draft pick(they have two) to get Boldin. The big question is weather or not the Eagles would take a risk on his health. Another team could be Miami. I don't know if they would want to give up a first round pick. Another team would be the Giants. With the Plaxico issue, they don't know if he's going to be in a Giants uniform again. Boldin would at least give them some depth.


I said this a week ago about Boldin.

[Hush]

I hope the rams do something this seasonl, im sick of there lame ass ball playing!

[Go Web Go!]

I hope the rams do something this seasonl, im sick of there lame ass ball playing!

Hey. You won a Super Bowl less than a decade ago. Quit *****ing. My team is still running on fumes of something that happened 36 years ago. :cmad:

[Mister J]

Boldin, Houshmanzadeh. I don't care. Just get one of them in Miami.
Hey. You won a Super Bowl less than a decade ago. Quit *****ing. My team is still running on fumes of something that happened 36 years ago. :cmad:
It's been so long. :(

[danielisthor]

I don't think the Fins will give Arizona a 1st rounder for Boldin, let alone a 1st and 3rd. Especially with the depth in this draft and having 3 of the first 57 picks, the Trifecta will be looking for more guys in the trenches and youth all around.

[Hush]

Hey. You won a Super Bowl less than a decade ago. Quit *****ing. My team is still running on fumes of something that happened 36 years ago. :cmad:

Yeah and ever since i have had to deal with ******** for ball playing! They have only been in the city for 13 years or so, we can still boot them out.

[Kelly]

Kudos to Aikman for finishing his education.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-aikman-collegegraduate&prov=ap&type=lgns

[The Game]

Hey. You won a Super Bowl less than a decade ago. Quit *****ing. My team is still running on fumes of something that happened 36 years ago. :cmad:

And when we take the AFC East back you will have nothing again :p

[The Incredible Hulk]

No way. Berrien was a big play machine, and Sydney Rice was fantastic last year and is only 22 with enormous upside.

:confused:

Rice only had 15 catches for 141 yards last season . What's "fantastic" about that?

[Immortalfire]

SportsCenter is saying this morning that Brett Favre is retiring "for good".



Only way I'll believe that is if the season starts, and he's not in uniform. :whatever:

[Erzengel]

So the Jets future is put on the shoulder of Clemens? :huh:

[Double Down]

Michael Vick. :o



:hehe:

[Erzengel]

Who's going to be available?

Cassel? Pats aren't going to allow him to go to the Jets.
Leftwitch? He's a back up quarterback and too prone to being injured.
Stafford? Jets are too high up on the draft and would have to give up quite a bit to score that.
Garcia? I think his QB rating was better than Favre did this year.