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venomvsspidey
02-16-2009, 12:08 AM
who thinks raimin djawadi will be back for the score? i've checked his imdb page and it doesent have him slated,but also on the complete casting list for iron man 2 it doesent appear to have a score composer.i love what he did for iron man, and if he doesn't come back i'll be a bit dissapointed. what's your input on djawadi returning,and his score to iron man?

Rac
02-16-2009, 12:54 PM
I'd like him to return, but wasn't it confirmed already that someone else is doing the score?

venomvsspidey
02-16-2009, 01:02 PM
I'd like him to return, but wasn't it confirmed already that someone else is doing the score?
\nope.not yet. imdb has nothing on the full cast and credits page for original music by _____ yet...

terry78
02-17-2009, 10:52 AM
I don't want any big names on this score...no Elfman, Zimmer, Williams, etc. Yet on the flip side I don't want it generic sounding either.

venomvsspidey
02-17-2009, 02:24 PM
as much as i love wiliams scores, and i DO LOVE his scores...i dont think he could handle iron man...

TheVileOne
02-17-2009, 05:41 PM
I think they need a new composer.

Someone who can take some of the tunes and themes from the first movie and just give it a really big, epic, score.

terry78
02-17-2009, 06:08 PM
Marco Beltrami.

kedrell
02-17-2009, 06:59 PM
I thought the 1st was fine, keep Ramin.

[A]
02-17-2009, 07:00 PM
I hope someone with actual talent handles this

venomvsspidey
02-17-2009, 09:51 PM
I hope someone with actual talent handles this

djawadi's got talent. have you heard deception,mr.brooks or the blade : trinity promo score? those are great scores by djawadi himself.

IMfan29
02-18-2009, 05:53 PM
I'd put my money on John Debney actually getting the job this time around.

TheVileOne
02-18-2009, 07:19 PM
I've seen Trinity and I wasn't impressed with the score. It wasn't very memorable, nor was Iron Man's.

Just saying, this is a big super hero movie. Give it some BIG music. Big, big, big.

rashad
02-18-2009, 08:39 PM
Crazy talk. I felt Blade Trinity's score was one of the few redeeming qualities of that film.

venomvsspidey
02-18-2009, 09:05 PM
^^

yupyup.

IMfan29
02-18-2009, 09:16 PM
Iron Man should have had a big, bombastic, orchestral score with an actual memorable theme. I'm confident that John Debney (if he does score it) will definitely deliver that. If anyone has doubts (or doesn't know who he is) listen to his Cutthroat Island score, his score for the video game LAIR (which is sadly no longer available on itunes), or Scorpion King. This guy was born to score action/adventure movies.

I would also like Zimmer to stay as far away from this as possible. We've heard enough of his repetitive, simplistic action music all over most of the blockbuster movies nowadays.

Give someone else a chance for once.

venomvsspidey
02-18-2009, 09:34 PM
Iron Man should have had a big, bombastic, orchestral score with an actual memorable theme. I'm confident that John Debney (if he does score it) will definitely deliver that. If anyone has doubts (or doesn't know who he is) listen to his Cutthroat Island score, his score for the video game LAIR (which is sadly no longer available on itunes), or Scorpion King. This guy was born to score action/adventure movies.

I would also like Zimmer to stay as far away from this as possible. We've heard enough of his repetitive, simplistic action music all over most of the blockbuster movies nowadays.

Give someone else a chance for once.


i do like debney,he's got great music scores...and i like zimmer.however i'd like to keep djawadi,or if he doesent do it and they hire debney,then at least keep his themes.and as much as i like zimmer's score,i have to agree.whilst the score was produced by djawadi/zimmer, i think zimmer should stick to bats.

tamron
02-19-2009, 01:56 AM
John Powell would be great.

Djawadi's Blade:Trinity score was cool, but he collaborated with RZA on it. Perhaps that helped him out.

His Iron Man score was disappointing, IMHO. Completely forgettable.

venomvsspidey
02-19-2009, 01:58 AM
John Powell would be great.

Djawadi's Blade:Trinity score was cool, but he collaborated with RZA on it. Perhaps that helped him out.

His Iron Man score was disappointing, IMHO. Completely forgettable.

i feel the exact opposite.but everyone's got their own opinion so..whatever ;)

IMfan29
02-19-2009, 05:07 AM
i do like debney,he's got great music scores...and i like zimmer.however i'd like to keep djawadi,or if he doesent do it and they hire debney,then at least keep his themes.and as much as i like zimmer's score,i have to agree.whilst the score was produced by djawadi/zimmer, i think zimmer should stick to bats.

Well, I thought the "theme" (or lack thereof IMHO) was one of the main problems of the score. For rock music, it wasn't too bad. Some good guitar licks in there, but as for a movie score...I don't think so.

For example, the scene when he escapes out of the cave and he emerges for the first time in the Mark I, as soon as he escapes out of the gigantic fireball, the "dun dun dun dun, dun dun dun dun, DUN DUN!" starts, I thought it was laughable. The music was completely inappropriate for the scene, it was supposed to show this heroic escape, then comes the BIG "theme," which was utterly simplistic and un-fitting.

I dunno maybe it's just me, but that's one example where the music was supposed to shine and for me it did nothing. It actually detracted me from the scene and was annoying.

The music actually sounds decent on CD, but in the movie it was very unfitting, and I'm sure as this movie is watched in years to come it will actually make the movie seem pretty dated and cartoony.

So anyways, Debney should get the job.

Chris B
02-20-2009, 03:51 PM
I loved Djawadi's IM score. So I'm hoping that he comes back for IM2.

Though I do hope that should he come back, he develops more a character-specific theme for Iron Man himself. I've always thought that the suit-up montif of 'Iron Man' from the soundtrack would serve as a good template.

Daredevil_2003
02-20-2009, 08:04 PM
I loved the metal-ish score. Who thinks Iron Man and hears classical music in the vein of Superman or whatnot? Honestly? I though the score fit the character and the film like a glove. I would like to have Djawadi back for IM2 or at least keep the same style.

Troy_Parker
02-20-2009, 09:19 PM
Keep Djawadi.

venomvsspidey
02-21-2009, 08:54 AM
i gotta agree with what daredevil 2003 said. i cant really hear something orchestral like spider-man's score in a movie like iron man. well just have to wait and see if djawadi comes back

Chris B
02-21-2009, 02:00 PM
I loved the metal-ish score. Who thinks Iron Man and hears classical music in the vein of Superman or whatnot? Honestly? I though the score fit the character and the film like a glove. I would like to have Djawadi back for IM2 or at least keep the same style.

I agree 100%.

Spider-Vader
02-22-2009, 09:19 PM
as much as i love wiliams scores, and i DO LOVE his scores...i dont think he could handle iron man...

Ditto. Though I think he'd be perfect for Cap or The Avengers.

venomvsspidey
02-22-2009, 09:53 PM
Ditto. Though I think he'd be perfect for Cap or The Avengers.


i can see that..;)

Spider-Vader
02-22-2009, 11:49 PM
I think Cap will have a tone like that of the Indy series or SW OT (sorta like a '30s serial) so Williams will fit in with that. Though, I think The Avengers will need something like 'Duel of Fates' or 'Battle of the Heroes' so he fits there too.

venomvsspidey
02-23-2009, 12:05 AM
like a more vocal score ^^ :) i would like to hear what williams would do if he scored those films, but hopefully he'll be doing HP7

mclay18
04-11-2009, 04:51 PM
I hope Favreau has enough clout to get Debney in this time -- Djawadi's score for IM was dreadful and completely generic. If Marvel insists on getting someone who's graduated from the Media Ventures/RC school of Zimmer-produced scores, then by all means get John freakin' Powell instead. The guy can do a lot more with electric guitar and synths than Djawadi's attempts -- he can by all means craft a metallic sound to the score without sacrificing any of the orchestral depth or memorable tunes.

But if Favreau gets his way this time, he should get Debney. There's no reason why he can't, Marvel should give him more leeway due to IM's huge success -- including the composer.

namaste09
04-14-2009, 06:20 PM
Beltrami FTW.

My review of the first score: http://www.scorenotes.com/soundtracks/ironMan.html

terry78
04-14-2009, 06:24 PM
I want a remix of the 1996 cartoon's theme, post-haste.

I...AM.......
I....AM......
I....AM...IRON MAN.
I...AM...IRON MAN!

Spider-ManHero12
04-14-2009, 06:31 PM
^^ Loved that theme.

anyway, I think they should bring back the theme from the first Iron Man film, but also bring new music in for the film. Still keep the theme, but bring in something else to, I guess.

Daredevil_2003
04-15-2009, 04:49 AM
Bow chicka wow wow for Black Widow!

Doctor Jones
04-15-2009, 05:44 PM
Build upon the music from the first film. Set it with Stark's journey through this film, his psyche, what he's going through. Kinda like what SM2 did perfectly.

BatJeff7786
04-18-2009, 03:52 PM
Build upon the music from the first film. Set it with Stark's journey through this film, his psyche, what he's going through. Kinda like what SM2 did perfectly.
Wasn't the main theme the first few seconds of "Fire Man"? They use it enough in the film. It's a short, memorable, and hummable tune. Could it have been better? Yes. But it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JysHr9w1JeM

Sentinel X
04-18-2009, 06:44 PM
Change composer.

His Iron man score was so....what do ya call it?....BORING. It was bland as hell, its like he was scoring a movie about paint drying.
They need someone who can give something a little more epic than that.

marcvader
04-18-2009, 07:48 PM
I agree with it not being memorable. Don't know if they should get rid of him but it does need to be improved upon for sure.

Spider-Vader
04-19-2009, 10:38 PM
I hope they keep the movie theme from the first movie atleast. It's called "Driving with the Rooftop Down". I think it's the most memorable Marvel theme. (Superman, Burton Batman & Nolan Batman's theme called "Molossus" are the top 3 most memorable themes IMO)

kedrell
04-20-2009, 11:23 AM
^I didn't find a single bit of the score in either of Nolan's Batman films memorable, but that's me. William's Superman, Elfman's Batman, and Giaccino's Incredibles theme are the 3 best, IMO.

Doctor Jones
04-20-2009, 12:13 PM
^I didn't find a single bit of the score in either of Nolan's Batman films memorable, but that's me. William's Superman, Elfman's Batman, and Giaccino's Incredibles theme are the 3 best, IMO.

Loved both of the scores in BB and TDK. I just liked they didn't go with the traditional theme songs.

kedrell
04-20-2009, 02:36 PM
Loved both of the scores in BB and TDK. I just liked they didn't go with the traditional theme songs.

Oh they were ok, don't get me wrong. But they were still forgettable, just like the Spider-Man, X-Men, FF, DD, & Hulk film scores all were. In fact the only other superhero score that I can remember other than the original Supes, Bats, & Incredibles scores is the score for Unbreakable.

Daredevil_2003
04-20-2009, 10:30 PM
Oh they were ok, don't get me wrong. But they were still forgettable, just like the Spider-Man, X-Men, FF, DD, & Hulk film scores all were. In fact the only other superhero score that I can remember other than the original Supes, Bats, & Incredibles scores is the score for Unbreakable.And that's your problem, I remember all of them. :woot:

Spider-Vader
04-20-2009, 11:53 PM
^I didn't find a single bit of the score in either of Nolan's Batman films memorable, but that's me. William's Superman, Elfman's Batman, and Giaccino's Incredibles theme are the 3 best, IMO.

I can sorta remember Incredibles theme. I forgot about that movie.

flickchick85
04-21-2009, 12:01 AM
I definitely hope they get a new composer. I liked the idea behind the IM score and the direction they chose to go, so I hope they don't change the "Iron Man Sound," but I hope they'll hire someone who can add a little more character to the score, because it was, imo, pretty bland. Serviceable, enjoyable, but nothing remotely special. My favorite current composer is James Newton Howard (and was looong before Batman Begins, for the record), but I don't think he'd be a good fit for this. I think the best replacements for this franchise would probably be John Powell or Marco Beltrami. Michael Giacchino could work, too, b/c he seems to have no problem adapting to various styles and thanks to his 5 seasons of work on Alias, he has plenty of experience with the "electronic" sound Djawadi used. I just hope they get someone who won't necessarily change the style, but build upon it and make it, as you guys have said, more memorable.

IMfan29
04-22-2009, 10:17 PM
I definitely hope they get a new composer. I liked the idea behind the IM score and the direction they chose to go, so I hope they don't change the "Iron Man Sound," but I hope they'll hire someone who can add a little more character to the score, because it was, imo, pretty bland. Serviceable, enjoyable, but nothing remotely special. My favorite current composer is James Newton Howard (and was looong before Batman Begins, for the record), but I don't think he'd be a good fit for this. I think the best replacements for this franchise would probably be John Powell or Marco Beltrami. Michael Giacchino could work, too, b/c he seems to have no problem adapting to various styles and thanks to his 5 seasons of work on Alias, he has plenty of experience with the "electronic" sound Djawadi used. I just hope they get someone who won't necessarily change the style, but build upon it and make it, as you guys have said, more memorable.

Then Debney's definitely the guy.

Check out some of his music on youtube for LAIR, Cutthroat Island, Scorpion King, etc. I would definitely put my money on him getting the job if they change composer since he has worked with Favreau twice before, and most likely would have gotten the job if they producers didn't interfere..

Doctor Jones
04-22-2009, 11:01 PM
Oh they were ok, don't get me wrong. But they were still forgettable, just like the Spider-Man, X-Men, FF, DD, & Hulk film scores all were. In fact the only other superhero score that I can remember other than the original Supes, Bats, & Incredibles scores is the score for Unbreakable.

Wow, ironically, I don't remember the Incredible score at all.

i think all of the CBM scores are pretty great. The Hulk 03 score isn't memorable but it's great. I love the opening with that horn sounds or Hulk like voice.

The SM films I find memorable. But I bet there could be more scores of it.

venomvsspidey
06-04-2009, 08:14 PM
iron man 2 composed confirmed

JOHN DEBNEY.

kedrell
06-04-2009, 08:29 PM
^Gotta source?

venomvsspidey
06-04-2009, 08:55 PM
^Gotta source?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1228705/fullcredits#cast

Original Music by (http://www.imdb.com/Glossary/C#composer)

John Debney (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002201/)

kedrell
06-04-2009, 08:58 PM
^Never trust IMDB. They had Debney down as the composer for the first film for a long, long time before we were officially informed that Djwadi was the guy.

mclay18
07-11-2009, 12:27 AM
Debney himself confirms that he's going to score Iron Man 2 (or is close to getting the deal) in an audio interview posted on Filmmusicsite.com today, check out the link here (http://www.filmmusicsite.com/titles.cgi?go=composertalk). Click play and fast-forward to 32:22, that's when Debney talks about it.

He says he'll probably compose the score from scratch, but is quick to say that he liked Djawadi's score in the first film.

TheVileOne
07-11-2009, 03:17 AM
Eh whatever. Constantly annoyed with these movies always changing hands with composers and there never being any big consistent themes.

See Hellboy and Hellboy 2.

See the X-men trilogy.

Bubastis
07-11-2009, 10:27 AM
Djawadi, just because this series needs continuity some how.

mclay18
07-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Eh whatever. Constantly annoyed with these movies always changing hands with composers and there never being any big consistent themes.

Uh, Djawadi's score wasn't great anyway -- I could not remember a theme or anything else in Iron Man. And Favreau usually collaborates with Debney on all of his other pics anyway (Zathura, Elf), so Debney's likely to score Iron Man 3 and The Avengers if Favreau directs those as well. No need to worry about the composer changing with every movie there.

And Debney's a big showy composer. There should be a nice, heroic theme for Iron Man by the time we see the movie next May. And if anyone questions how good he is, listen to the Mummy 3 clips on his website or blind-buy the 2-CD Cutthroat Island soundtrack.

Kent
07-11-2009, 01:37 PM
Uh, Djawadi's score wasn't great anyway -- I could not remember a theme or anything else in Iron Man.


Bah. Djawadi's score was just fine. Lot's of memorable bits if you actually pay attention.

Especially the bit that starts at approx. 2:45 in this:

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And Debney's a big showy composer. There should be a nice, heroic theme for Iron Man by the time we see the movie next May.


Meh. Debney just seems like another Hans Zimmer clone to me. They're taking over the world apparently. :o

mclay18
07-11-2009, 02:26 PM
Meh. Debney just seems like another Hans Zimmer clone to me. They're taking over the world apparently. :o

Debney is far more talented than you think. The Zimmer sound is what Arad and the other execs at Marvel wanted for Iron Man (and they got a poor man's version of that from Djawadi).

Zimmer does his own sound best, and Debney deserves a much bigger break. Save for some really top-notch projects, all Debney does is Gary Marshall movies, Disney movies and awful comedies. Zimmer is at the point where he can pick his own projects he can work on, since he doesn't really need the money anymore.

kedrell
07-12-2009, 01:04 PM
I'm fine w/ Debney. I'm fine w/ Djwadi coming back if that's what ends up happening as instead. I thought he did a very respectable job on the last movie. Based on the interview above, it does look like Debney is likely to get it. And I really like that he wants to create a recognizable superhero theme for Iron Man. This is win/win.

Sentinel X
07-12-2009, 05:32 PM
^I didn't find a single bit of the score in either of Nolan's Batman films memorable, but that's me. William's Superman, Elfman's Batman, and Giaccino's Incredibles theme are the 3 best, IMO. I guess I have a good memory because I remember any score that I really liked.

I get what you are saying though. The three scores you mentioned are no doubt very catchy...but I don't think catchy necessarily means they're better (although I do love all 3 of them....some of my favorites). Danny elfman's Hulk and Hans Zimmer's Batman score are not really catchy but they're some of the best comic book film scores and are pretty damn good

Debney himself confirms that he's going to score Iron Man 2 (or is close to getting the deal) in an audio interview posted on Filmmusicsite.com today, check out the link here (http://www.filmmusicsite.com/titles.cgi?go=composertalk). Click play and fast-forward to 32:22, that's when Debney talks about it.

He says he'll probably compose the score from scratch, but is quick to say that he liked Djawadi's score in the first film.Yes...he will be much better im sure

Eh whatever. Constantly annoyed with these movies always changing hands with composers and there never being any big consistent themes.

See Hellboy and Hellboy 2.

See the X-men trilogy. Dude, sometimes its for the best. I prefer Hellboy I score than II but elfman's score was very fitting for the movie since it was a lot heavier on the fantasy elements. And although I thought X-men 1's score was the best of the whole trilogy a lot of people think Ottman's score was the best and I enjoyed it myself too.
Iron man's score wasn't even much of a score...I'd prefer something a little more exciting and fun.

nogap87
07-12-2009, 05:45 PM
Count me as a fan of the first film's score. "Driving With The Top Down" and "Mark ll" get frequent play on my Zune.

venomvsspidey
07-13-2009, 01:48 AM
Count me as a fan of the first film's score. "Driving With The Top Down" and "Mark ll" get frequent play on my Zune.


:up::up::up::up::up::up::up::up::up::up:

Chris B
07-13-2009, 04:51 PM
I'll be a little disappointed if Djwadi ends up not coming back. If he gets the job, I'm hoping that Debney incorporates the suit-up motif from 'Iron Man' at least.

venomvsspidey
07-14-2009, 12:09 AM
I'll be a little disappointed if Djwadi ends up not coming back. If he gets the job, I'm hoping that Debney incorporates the suit-up motif from 'Iron Man' at least.


unfortunately, debney said he'd start from scratch. i think debney could handle IM2, but i want Djawadi first and foremost.

HappyPalooza
07-15-2009, 05:56 PM
Really hopin' he at least takes after the guitars n' **** used in the first. The rockin' soundtrack is part of made Iron Man so badass in the first place. "Fireman" and "Gulmira" were probably my favorites.

Octoberist
07-15-2009, 07:41 PM
Djawadi...i didn't like his score to be honest. very forgettable..god...lord..have mercy.

kedrell
07-15-2009, 07:52 PM
There really hasn't been a truly memorable new score to a superhero film(live action) in 20 years. Doesn't mean the one's we've got in the interim suck, many(like IM's score) are pretty good. Nolan's Batman films, Spider-Man, both Hulk movies, X2, hell even the FF films all had decent scores. But none of them were "memorable".

Edit: I'd say Hensleigh's Punisher movie had some decent music as well.

sithgoblin
07-15-2009, 10:39 PM
Bah. Djawadi's score was just fine. Lot's of memorable bits if you actually pay attention.

Especially the bit that starts at approx. 2:45 in this:

m7jrsVN4z44



Meh. Debney just seems like another Hans Zimmer clone to me. They're taking over the world apparently. :o

That is very generic. Debney will do us good. His Cutthroat Island score is amazing. I know the film is terrible, but the music was fantastic.

Sawyer
07-15-2009, 10:43 PM
Nice.

TheVileOne
07-16-2009, 01:39 PM
The thing is, I would just like if these movies started having scores that matched the scope of the movies themselves which they have generally failed to do since comic book movies have become more legitimate.

I don't think its too much to ask to get some marches or scores that are as iconic and big as Williams' Superman or Burton's Batman theme.

venomvsspidey
07-16-2009, 05:30 PM
x-men : origins score was pretty epic.

kedrell
07-16-2009, 07:11 PM
^You think so? I can't remember a damn thing about the score for that movie. And I can remember some so-so scores(IM, TDK/BB, SM, FF, Punisher, Hulk/TIH, XM2, etc.) even though they were no where near the level of Elfman's Batman or William's Superman scores.

HappyPalooza
07-16-2009, 08:36 PM
To be honest the only themes that I can remember are Star Wars and Indiana Jones because they play them constantly throughout their respective franchises. Also Iron Man and TIH because I've seen them so many times.

If I remember correctly the Superman theme is way too close to Star Wars for my liking, but like I said, I don't remember it well.

Kent
07-17-2009, 04:59 AM
x-men : origins score was pretty epic.

That was Harry Gregson-Williams though.

Mr. Earle
07-17-2009, 01:43 PM
First of all, the OST for the first movie was uninspired IMHO. Not even close to the ones of BB, TDK and Transformers. I hope its more engaging and epic this time.

Also, i'd like a nod to the following song. Maybe its heard on the radio or something... it would be really cool...
lfWPDzvWNds

kedrell
07-17-2009, 07:50 PM
I thought BB. IM, & TDK(which is just BB recycled) had decent if non-iconic scores. TF? I didn't hear anything special there. The only music I can remember from that film was the Linkin' Park song from the credits.

CELTICPRED
07-17-2009, 08:00 PM
TF? I didn't hear anything special there.

Wow. Haven't heard that from many people.



As for the first movie's score, aside from the Mark 2 track, a lot of it seemed like a missed opportunity to add that extra level of oomf that some of the scenes needed.

If Fiedel would come out of retirement he'd conjure up some awesome score.

kedrell
07-17-2009, 08:06 PM
Wow. Haven't heard that from many people.



As for the first movie's score, aside from the Mark 2 track, a lot of it seemed like a missed opportunity to add that extra level of oomf that some of the scenes needed.

If Fiedel would come out of retirement he'd conjure up some awesome score.

Are you kidding? I've talked to tons of people who felt the same way.

CELTICPRED
07-17-2009, 08:11 PM
Are you kidding? I've talked to tons of people who felt the same way.

Haven't seen the disdain for it you describe, but nbd.

kedrell
07-17-2009, 08:52 PM
Haven't seen the disdain for it you describe, but nbd.

I wasn't refering to disdain, but when I've talked to them about TF's score, they're like "Uh, do you mean that Linkin' Park song? Cause that's the only memorable music in that film". As far as regular score goes, TF didn't have anything special goin' on.

Mr. Earle
07-17-2009, 10:14 PM
Wow. Haven't heard that from many people.



As for the first movie's score, aside from the Mark 2 track, a lot of it seemed like a missed opportunity to add that extra level of oomf that some of the scenes needed.

If Fiedel would come out of retirement he'd conjure up some awesome score.Exactly! I wasn't refering to disdain, but when I've talked to them about TF's score, they're like "Uh, do you mean that Linkin' Park song? Cause that's the only memorable music in that film". As far as regular score goes, TF didn't have anything special goin' on.Oh come on, just the 30 seconds of music when the autobots first transform tramps everything in IM's OST.

Zimmer gave the new Batman his new theme. Jablonsky gave the TF their own. Both distinct and powerful. I cant remember anything from IM. He has no specific theme. The only good part was when he tested the Mk2 but it wasnt anything special really...

As for Linking Park, its easier for people to remember that hit song from that successful band than remember the movie's theme, but when you hear it, you know its TF. The same would have happened if Linking Park had a song in any movie's soundtrack.

kedrell
07-17-2009, 10:27 PM
Oh come on, just the 30 seconds of music when the autobots first transform tramps everything in IM's OST.

Not even close, I don't even remember there being music at that scene in TF.

Zimmer gave the new Batman his new theme. Jablonsky gave the TF their own. Both distinct and powerful. I cant remember anything from IM. He has no specific theme. The only good part was when he tested the Mk2 but it wasnt anything special really...

IMO, neither are distinct nor powerful. Zimmer's I can recall a bit more, but the TF score? Fuhgedaboudit!

As for Linking Park, its easier for people to remember that hit song from that successful band than remember the movie's theme, but when you hear it, you know its TF. The same would have happened if Linking Park had a song in any movie's soundtrack.

I'm not disputing that. However, I doubt most people listening to some of TF's theme w/o being told what it is would know it belonged to TF.

CELTICPRED
07-17-2009, 10:33 PM
Not even close, I don't even remember there being music at that scene in TF.

Subjective to each person, all depends on how many times you've watched the movie as well.

I'm not disputing that. However, I doubt most people listening to some of TF's theme w/o being told what it is would know it belonged to TF

I played the new soundtrack at work the other week, and my cousin who hadn't yet seen the movie asked if it was from the new Transformers movie. The Forest Battle to be specific.


Is it Star Wars grandiose? Of course not, but still memorable.

Mr. Earle
07-17-2009, 10:38 PM
Not even close, I don't even remember there being music at that scene in TF.If we re talking about ROTF, its possible that the explosions made it too loud to even notice the music. I noticed the music the second time around. But anyway, when Prime is being transported by the helicopter (dead i mean), when Sam and Bee talk about Prime's death, when Prime is revived... all great music moments. I cant remember much of it, but i know that when i was watching that movie, it made sense and it affected my emotions to the point i went "damn that is some good music". You dont need to remember it, it just needs to be there and to be effective.
IM hardly had any music and when it did, it was generic.
IMO, neither are distinct nor powerful. Zimmer's I can recall a bit more, but the TF score? Fuhgedaboudit!Its not about remembering it afterwards (though it would be nice if you could), its about working well with the film.

You do have a point though. Even though i prefer Zimmer's 21st century Batman theme to Elfman's, i still cant play it in my head with ease. The scores from B89 or Indiana Jones only take a second to start playing in my head. And i think this is down to the way scores are made these days. They are more complex and more difficult to remember. They work better during the movie, but not when you re trying to remember them afterwards or "sing" them when you re playing with your batman action figure.
IMHO, BB (and not TDK) had the best OST known to man. The music when Bruce is looking at his dad's stethoscope is amazing. And lets not forget Barbastella. Oh yeah, and the triumphant theme that was used when Batman leaped off GPD at the end of Begins and when he used the skyhook in TDK.

I'm not disputing that. However, I doubt most people listening to some of TF's theme w/o being told what it is would know it belonged to TF.You re probably right, but i think its got to do with what i am discussing right above.

Mr. Earle
07-17-2009, 10:40 PM
Subjective to each person, all depends on how many times you've watched the movie as well.
Good point.

I played the new soundtrack at work the other week, and my cousin who hadn't yet seen the movie asked if it was from the new Transformers movie. The Forest Battle to be specific.
Is it Star Wars grandiose? Of course not, but still memorable.The forest battle had some generic bad guy music at the start and at the end its that music that played when Prime "took them all on".....
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Aaaaah.... Anybody got a cigarette?

kedrell
07-17-2009, 10:42 PM
Subjective to each person, all depends on how many times you've watched the movie as well.

Well I've only seen it once, and once was enough.



I played the new soundtrack at work the other week, and my cousin who hadn't yet seen the movie asked if it was from the new Transformers movie. The Forest Battle to be specific.


Is it Star Wars grandiose? Of course not, but still memorable.

There no scientific way to find out really. This is all anecdotal stuff.

Octoberist
07-17-2009, 10:54 PM
Transformers 1 had a better score than part 2.

kedrell
07-17-2009, 11:03 PM
I was refering to the first film. I can barely remember anything from the 2nd. My brain needed to protect itself so it blocked the whole experience out.

protocida
07-18-2009, 11:22 AM
Let's not go there, Kedrell.

Transformers score was beautiful, IMHO. Especially the Autobot arrival. Outstanding.

webhead731
07-20-2009, 09:07 PM
I agree. The Transformers score is very good. I hope Iron Man gets the same score as the first Iron Man film.

venomvsspidey
07-21-2009, 08:49 PM
I agree. The Transformers score is very good. I hope Iron Man gets the same score as the first Iron Man film.


unfortunately we wont, debney is re-writing everything - themes and all - from scratch. I like debney's music, but I would rather have debney.

CELTICPRED
07-21-2009, 11:35 PM
I think it's all good news, his theme isn't nearly as triumphant as I'd like.

That's just me though.

venomvsspidey
07-22-2009, 10:59 PM
I think it's all good news, his theme isn't nearly as triumphant as I'd like.

That's just me though.

eh..i liked it.

Mr. Earle
07-22-2009, 11:10 PM
I think it's all good news, his theme isn't nearly as triumphant as I'd like.

That's just me though.I agree. It had a certain techy feel to it, which fit the character, but no triumphant tunes like those in the TDK and TF soundtracks and a superhero needs those most of all!

CELTICPRED
07-22-2009, 11:13 PM
It can keep the synthesized feel, and still be triumphant.

Look at Fiedel's work on T2.

kedrell
07-23-2009, 12:04 AM
I agree. It had a certain techy feel to it, which fit the character, but no triumphant tunes like those in the TDK and TF soundtracks and a superhero needs those most of all!

Actually it did have that triumphant tune, but they played it only twice* for about 5-10 seconds each in the movie and once more all the way toward the end of the credits.


*Once when the helicopters come in to pick Tony up in the desert and once when Iron Man gets Iron Monger to freeze up and seemingly fall to his death.

Mr. Earle
07-23-2009, 12:16 AM
Actually it did have that triumphant tune, but they played it only twice* for about 5-10 seconds each in the movie and once more all the way toward the end of the credits.


*Once when the helicopters come in to pick Tony up in the desert and once when Iron Man gets Iron Monger to freeze up and seemingly fall to his death.
Could you find the tune on youtube?

kedrell
07-23-2009, 03:10 AM
^I wish I could find it. I've looked high and low, but nada.

mclay18
08-02-2009, 11:35 AM
It's official: John Debney is scoring Iron Man 2.

SOURCE (http://www.gsamusic.com/pdf/Debney_John.pdf) (Gorfaine-Schwartz is the company that represents Debney as well as Zimmer and Williams)

kedrell
08-02-2009, 11:39 AM
Ok, I liked Djwadi's score but I'm down with this. :up:

CELTICPRED
08-02-2009, 04:17 PM
Debney hasn't had many massive films to score, but I like what I'm hearing after I've searched a few youtube vids.

UltimateJustin
08-03-2009, 12:58 AM
Yes, the score being mediocre (def. not bad) in the first Iron Man was one of its only low points. OT, the tracks "Autobot Arrival", "Optimus" and a few others from the TF score are epic and beautiful, and I bet people could recognize the score just from the suspenseful and atmospheric begining of "Downtown Battle".

Redd
08-03-2009, 01:29 AM
Is there a song by ACDC and it has in the lyrics "Shoot to kill" ??

Silverglade
08-03-2009, 08:31 AM
I am pretty sure "Shoot to Thrill", track #2 off their Back in Black album, has that lyric you mention.

CelticPredator
08-03-2009, 06:10 PM
Bah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaQBAzryy4I

ross2287
08-03-2009, 07:47 PM
^^Youtube fail.

kedrell
08-03-2009, 07:55 PM
Bah.

iaQBAzryy4I

Fixed.

IMfan29
08-03-2009, 08:13 PM
I'm SO glad!

I am a HUGE Debney fan and was so disappointed when he didn't work on the first one.


For those of you who are unfamiliar with his work check out this compilation of some of his scores:_Kobp3UUbmc



Also, if you're doubting him, take a listen to this kick ass track from his score for the video game LAIR (2007):

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AND another great action track from LAIR:

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CelticPredator
08-03-2009, 08:19 PM
Fixed.

Thanks....i'm not really sure how to do it....I tried the embeded link, but that didnt work for me....oh wellz.

Mr. Earle
08-03-2009, 08:23 PM
Thanks....i'm not really sure how to do it....I tried the embeded link, but that didnt work for me....oh wellz.
Put the link between the youtube tags like you do, but delete the link up to the "=", including the "=" itself.

In other words, you should have kept the part in bold:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaQBAzryy4I