Ozymandis good as Ozymandis looks to scrawny? [Archive]

Steelsheen

02-20-2009, 02:45 PM

i was expecting someone else other than Goode. it isnt so much about his size, but for someone whose supposed to be the world's smartest man, he doesnt strike me as "intelligent", just mediocre. the closest i was thinking for Ozymandias would be someone like Vladimir Putin-- not a very tall or large man either, but you can feel the arrogance, intensity and the fierce intelligence from him.

bunk

02-20-2009, 04:33 PM

It doesn't really bother me that much. When I think of a person in peak physical condition, Bruce Lee tends to come to mind immediately.

Figs

02-20-2009, 04:42 PM

I selected Yes on the poll but honestly, I'm going to wait 'til after I've seen the film before fully judging the performance.

Kane52630

02-20-2009, 04:45 PM

i voted yes but it doesnt bother me too much
Goode's acting ability overshadowed his appearance from what ive seen so far

Judson Caspian

02-20-2009, 05:15 PM

Ozymandias in the book looks more muscular. Wider neck for one thing. Ozymandias in the movie looks more feminine.

Drizzle

02-20-2009, 10:51 PM

His size doesn't bother me, but Goode has a freakishly long neck.

Crimson Warrior

02-20-2009, 11:08 PM

His size doesn't bother me, but Goode has a freakishly long neck.

he does! Ive noticed that as well ..

Octoberist

02-20-2009, 11:26 PM

I've noticed this: Why do people confused 'to' with 'too'? I don't want to be the Grammar/Spelling Nazi but jeez.

Crimson Warrior

02-20-2009, 11:29 PM

hmm was that referring to me? I don't remember using either to or too in my post but in response, I do not think that a lot people know how to properly use to and too.

TheBatman072

02-20-2009, 11:32 PM

No.

marcvader

02-21-2009, 12:09 AM

Looks fine to me too.

CaptainGenerica

02-21-2009, 01:21 AM

Looks fine to me. I honestly can't say his build even entered my mind before people started bringing it up.

spider-neil

02-21-2009, 03:22 AM

I listen to comic book geek and they made an excellent point that some peopke of trained their body to perform near superhuman feats of strengh and speed, bearing that in mind I not bothered about his size more about his ability to act.

It would bother me if a character who is known for his size (for example thor) were played by someone slender but not so much for a character known for his intelligence (like ozy) and before someone mentions batman he's known for both :oldrazz:

Octoberist

02-21-2009, 03:28 AM

hmm was that referring to me? I don't remember using either to or too in my post but in response, I do not think that a lot people know how to properly use to and too.

sorry, to the guy who made this trend.

Travesty

02-21-2009, 04:08 AM

Its just as bad as Magneto was in the X-men movies. So yeah, its kind of an eye sore.

craigdbfan

02-21-2009, 04:24 AM

I find it quite amusing that I once thought Ozymandias was going to be the most horribly portrayed out of all the Crimebusters. As I started watching the clips (including the latest viral on Ozymandias owned Veidt Music Network) I've gotten to really generate an amount of appreciation for the character. The review on the Watchmen Comic Movie (http://www.watchmencomicmovie.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2) by Empire actually complements the actors although he does mention some flaws (ultimately giving the film a 6.5/10). In the end I guess all of us can't fully accept someones opinion until we've seen the film for ourselves (although I find reviews useful as a device to comprehend another individual's understanding of the material also). I'm just hoping the multiple themes from the GN will remain (the essence so to speak) even in this 2 Hour and 43 minute theatrical cut.

The Sarge

02-21-2009, 04:55 AM

I think he's definitely too small.
The character is someone who has trained his body vigorously, even showing off the athletic feats he can do on TV. He's supposed to be strong enough to lift the comedian over his head and throw his out a window.
Ver much like batman, this character was known for both his intelligence, and his perfectly honed body. I feel he's someone who obsessed over it, as he did many things in order to make himself the perfect human.

That said, Mathew may still do a good job acting wise. BUT he is definitely too small.

Heisenberg

02-21-2009, 07:01 AM

He's smaller than depicted in the graphic novel, but i don't feel it takes anything away from the actual character. He doesn't look out of place in his costume, and in regular clothes looks toned but slim. I don't see a problem with it.

The Guard

02-21-2009, 10:35 AM

You people have GOT to get over this "size equals strength" stuff.

Crimson Warrior

02-21-2009, 10:37 AM

You people have GOT to get over this "size equals strength" stuff.

seriously! Veidt has a gymnast body, gymnast are slender and strong, not all buffed out. you dont have to be HHH to beat some one up

CelticPredator

02-21-2009, 10:44 AM

His size doesn't bother me, but Goode has a freakishly long neck.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/CelticPredator/Goody.jpg

Crimson Warrior

02-21-2009, 10:46 AM

LMAO (cue Britney Spears video guy) LEAVE MATTHEW ALONE!!!!

Drizzle

02-21-2009, 10:46 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/CelticPredator/Goody.jpg
:lmao:

I Am The Knight

02-21-2009, 11:10 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/CelticPredator/Goody.jpg

He IS Chris Crocker :grin:

The Sarge

02-21-2009, 01:59 PM

You people have GOT to get over this "size equals strength" stuff.
But. . . it generally does.
It's just very true that a man his size would not be able to punch through a wall like we see in the the trailer, OR lift him over his head with ease and toss him out a window.

seriously! Veidt has a gymnast body, gymnast are slender and strong, not all buffed out. you dont have to be HHH to beat some one up

Where'd you hear this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/AndronX/Gymnasts.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/AndronX/MoreGymnasts.jpg

Project862006

02-21-2009, 02:18 PM

blake punches through the wall btw people seem to think Adrian was gigantic in the novel when he was just a little bit above average in muscle mass

The Sarge

02-21-2009, 02:20 PM

Oh, yeah. Sorry that was Blake who punches through the wall.

The Guard

02-21-2009, 02:44 PM

But. . . it generally does.

It's just very true that a man his size would not be able to punch through a wall like we
see in the the trailer, OR lift him over his head with ease and toss him out a window.

Built or not, it's generally true that not many people, regardless of size, can easily lift a man over their head or toss them through a window with one attempt.

Suspend your disbelief.

The Sarge

02-21-2009, 03:03 PM

You say that like you've seen a lot of small people lift larger people over their heads and toss them through windows. . . .

The Guard

02-21-2009, 03:28 PM

Crimson Warrior

02-21-2009, 03:39 PM

But. . . it generally does.
It's just very true that a man his size would not be able to punch through a wall like we see in the the trailer, OR lift him over his head with ease and toss him out a window.

Where'd you hear this?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/AndronX/Gymnasts.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v346/AndronX/MoreGymnasts.jpg

I consider those guys to be slender built as in non HHH body, I think your misunderstanding me plus there are just as many gymanast that are about those guys size and some that are smaller.

The Guard

02-21-2009, 03:49 PM

It's a moot point. Ozymandias isn't just a gymnast. He's an EVERYTHING. :)

Crimson Warrior

02-21-2009, 03:56 PM

it is moot but the point i was just wanted to get through is that just because a guy does not fit your initial perception of "strongman" doesn't mean that he isnt. But to each his/her own.

I mean for God sakes some people were screaming the Goode doesn't have the body so they should have cast Jude Law....ermm is Goode is thin, Law must be a famine.

The Sarge

02-21-2009, 03:59 PM

I saw a girl shove another's girl's head through a plate plastic display case and throw her down the stairs once.

It's simple physics, though.

Most people can't do that. It's not just the weight, the mechanics of it are incredibly difficult to master. And generally, high rise windows are built to the point where you simply cannot throw someone through them like that. There's a great Punisher sequence at the end of THE SLAVERS where Frank Castle throws a slaver into the window again and again until FINALLY, after her organs are crushed, bones are broken, and she's near death, she goes through.

But the point is...this is a movie that requires you to suspend your disbelief, as the novel did, for a number of elements. Either you can or you can't.
Shoving someones head through a plastic case isn't the same as a thin man lifting a large man over his head and throwing him.
And comic books are not a good example of how physics work.
It WILL require me to suspend disbelief, but the reason I'll have to do it is because it's just not realistic. I'm not saying Goode will do a bad job or anything. He's just too small for Ozzy.
He's a bit bigger than me, and I can say there's now way in hell I'm lifting a guy like Blake over my head with ease. Strength and size are very much connected.

I consider those guys to be slender built as in non HHH body, I think your misunderstanding me plus there are just as many gymnast that are about those guys size and some that are smaller.
When you said HHH the first time I didn't know what that stood for.
Now that I do- no, I'm not saying Ozzy should be as large as Triple H. He sure wasn't like that in the books. In fact, in the books, he had a build pretty similar to those gymnasts. Goode does not. He does not have the build of a gymnast. He has he build of me- a guy that gets minimal exercise, while not over eating.

Crimson Warrior

02-21-2009, 04:13 PM

Shoving someones head through a plastic case isn't the same as a thin man lifting a large man over his head and throwing him.
And comic books are not a good example of how physics work.
It WILL require me to suspend disbelief, but the reason I'll have to do it is because it's just not realistic. I'm not saying Goode will do a bad job or anything. He's just too small for Ozzy.
He's a bit bigger than me, and I can say there's now way in hell I'm lifting a guy like Blake over my head with ease. Strength and size are very much connected.

When you said HHH the first time I didn't know what that stood for.
Now that I do- no, I'm not saying Ozzy should be as large as Triple H. He sure wasn't like that in the books. In fact, in the books, he had a build pretty similar to those gymnasts. Goode does not. He does not have the build of a gymnast. He has he build of me- a guy that gets minimal exercise, while not over eating.

How so? the most glaring thing that comes out at me in the graphic novel is the fact that his head is drawn wider and his legs more muscular.

I'm not Matthew Goode's number one fan or anything and Im not trying to say that yeah he is the ultimate Ozymandias, but no body really can pick someone up that way and toss him out of a window thin or buffed out. It seems that your so unhappy with him just because you don't see him a this freak bod type

Kane52630

02-21-2009, 04:25 PM

heres HHH's body for those that dont know (he should of been Thor)

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Triple%20H-7.JPG

marcvader

02-21-2009, 04:43 PM

Some of you guys have a problem suspending disbelief for Ozy's build but not for a glowing blue guy? Go figure.

JAK®

02-22-2009, 05:05 AM

Some of you guys have a problem suspending disbelief for Ozy's build but not for a glowing blue guy? Go figure.I despise arguments like this.

Hellrider

02-22-2009, 05:27 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/CelticPredator/Goody.jpg

Hmmm... I've never really notcied the long neck. Don't work, the suit hides it well. :hehe:

Doc Samson

02-22-2009, 06:29 AM

Its just as bad as Magneto was in the X-men movies. So yeah, its kind of an eye sore.

Well, for Magneto I thought it made sense. This should be someone who looks to be around Xavier's age, whose power comes from a mutation, not bench pressing. I was always baffled as to why Magneto was so muscular in the comics. Even Superman to a smaller extent, I understand the vision of the ultimate superhero because he is that, but he's Superman only because he's on Earth, it's not like he has to workout. But I do understand because...well it's Superman.

Ozy on the other hand, I do feel like he should be bigger because he has to workout for his physical abilities. Picking up a full grown man (who's a trained in combat no less) and tossing him out a window isn't something he looks capable of honestly.

CashforStash

02-22-2009, 09:40 AM

Lol when you guys said HHH I thought it standed for Hollywood Hulk Hogan, but I was wrong......

The Guard

02-22-2009, 11:48 AM

Ian McKellan's Magneto wore a padded suit, and looked fine in the movies, even though you could tell he wasn't that big. The juxtaposition of a frail looking old man and a powerful supervillain worked near perfectly on film. Comic book creators seem to agree, and have begun making Magneto less and less muscular visually.

With movie Ozymandias, they're playing up the "world's smartest man" angle more than anything, because that ends up being the crux of the conflict, what his intelligence has led to. I'm fine with that. But the man is not only smart, he's skilled, and it appears the movie presents this is a fairly believeable manner. And he was big in the comics, but he wasn't THAT big, and certainly not wrestler-sized (look at the shot where Manhattan meets him in the flashback). He was typical comic book build, which hell, even The Flash is portrayed as, a man who needs to be long and lean.

gwynplaine

02-22-2009, 12:09 PM

Michael Keaton was a great Batman imo. I'd rather have a good actor than a bodybuilder who more closely ressembles the original character (Flash Gordon comes to mind).

[A]

02-22-2009, 12:11 PM

Veidt should've look bigger--also, the size helps the aging process.. I don't know, he's just too thin

heres HHH's body for those that dont know (he should of been Thor)

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Triple%20H-7.JPG

:facepalm

people and wrestlers..

gwynplaine

02-22-2009, 12:15 PM

I see what you mean, but I think I'll reserve judgement until I see how Snyder shot him and what Goode does with the character.

Kane52630

02-22-2009, 12:17 PM

:facepalm

people and wrestlers..

dont hate on the wrestling fans :woot:

Farren

02-22-2009, 12:18 PM

Compared to the book Ozy, yes I'd say he is smaller and more "scrawny", but I voted no on the poll because I'm not holding that against him so far.

Sentinel X

02-22-2009, 12:22 PM

heres HHH's body for those that dont know (he should of been Thor)

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Triple%20H-7.JPG To be honest I doubt even he could pick up a guy of the Comedian's size and throw him that far across a room and through a window....so really people, we should be taking this size thing with a grain of salt.

Its not like Mathew Goode is like anorexic looking or like "wow, you could use a sandwich"...he is of a healthy weight. Sure he is not buff or muscular but I think peple should be able to suspend their disbeleif....Nobody seems to be complaining about Rorshach kicking all those bad guys butts (and he is smaller than Ozymandias in both the graphic novel and the movie).

I just don't see the big deal.

Rasputin911

02-22-2009, 12:30 PM

I think the big deal is that Goode sends a very different vibe than Veidt in the GN. All the other actors seem to fit their roles, but he just stands out for some reason...Ozy in the book seems to have a tall, muscular build even if he isn't buff. And his face is much more superman-esque than Goode's

Crimson Warrior

02-22-2009, 12:38 PM

Goode is very tall just thin and has a skinny face.

November Rain

02-22-2009, 12:46 PM

he should be as big as reeves was for superman

he should look like he could fill out a costume.

even like routh's size

actually routh probably would have nailed this role if he got it.

Crimson Warrior

02-22-2009, 12:54 PM

not of fan or Routh's acting all in the Superman film so I cant agree on him being ozy but he would fill out a costume better if that was the only thing that is important.

Doc Samson

02-23-2009, 02:57 AM

Even though I do feel like he should be bigger, as I stated on the previous page, I just remembered what Snyder said about using the new look of Ozy as a sort of parody of the Superhero asthetic of the mid 90's with the rubber suit, fake muscles and nipples thing. My one question about that however, is why would it be necessary when the whole story itself is already a parody of the superhero image?

November Rain

02-23-2009, 04:06 AM

because he's trying to weed himself out of a poor body frame with some artistic license bullcrap.

Katsuro

02-23-2009, 05:01 AM

Goode may be a bit thinner than Ozy was in the book, but it's not like Ozy was every humongous. People keep saying he doesn't look like he could actually throw Comedian through a window, but he didn't in the book either. If you could suspend your disbelief for the comic, why cant you suspend it just a tiny bit more for the movie?

November Rain

02-23-2009, 05:14 AM

he did look quite big, especially in a suit

there's a clear difference in build between aidrian and rorscharch (sp?) and dan. Aidrian was the biggest, dan had put on some weight around his midsection and ror was on the skinnier side.

anyway, it really doesn't matter and it depends on how much they play up him being 'perfect' physically is.

it kinda also adds to his ablity to take catch a bullet.

BUT if he is smaller then, it would say something about his ablity to beat the comedian in combat BUT it wouldn't explain how he got pissed about the comedian besting him in their first encounter which he took somewhat unexpectedly.

it's all swings and roundabouts and it depends on how much they want to include in the final part.

LexCorp

02-23-2009, 10:55 AM

Yes I know exactly what you mean here

The comic showed him to be a very large athletic man - however in some pictures from the movie he does seem on the smaller side - his new hair does not help either.

Crimson Warrior

02-23-2009, 11:06 AM

Well being smaller does not make you nonathletic or weak by any standards. It depends on the type of muscle that you are working out most frequently. If the person lifts heavy weights, they shorter stubbly muscle that aesthetically look better. However, in reality you can lift lightweights and still become just are strong or stronger depending on the number of repetitions done with the weights.

So no him being smaller does not absolutely mean he cant beat the comedian, if he is faster, appearance isn't everything in a fight. You must factor in skill level, fight preparation, hell even age (Ozy is younger).

The Guard

02-23-2009, 02:21 PM

People, he isn't "small". He's just not built like a truck.

Go look at the picture of Ozymandias meeting Dr. Manhattan in the book, and look at his relative size.

JAK®

02-23-2009, 04:18 PM

Comic Ozymandias was 'lean', while movie Ozymandias is just skinny. I would've liked him to be bigger, but it isn't bothering me too much.

Papa Burgundy

02-23-2009, 07:07 PM

Crimson Warrior

02-23-2009, 07:43 PM

That Street Fighter movie is just indescribable so bad I cant say anything on the matter right now..... I understand your points but Magneto survived the Holocaust, he is an very old man and Ian Mckellan's portrayal was top notch in my opinion.

Infinity9999x

02-23-2009, 07:49 PM

i like the look of ozy in the movie, it actually matches his personality. the way he dresses and the idea behind the parody of the old batman suit is kinda genius to me...but i hate mageneto in the x-men movies with a passion...he was a old f**k. the helmet didnt even fit his saggy head right. come to think of it, i hate most outfits in the x-men movies. the whole "releastic" excuse was pretty lame. theres a difference between releastic and lazy and cheap. for example batman begins and the dark knight were releastic...the new street fighter and dragonball movies??? CHEAP TO THE MAX!! bison is in a buisness suit and has blonde hair. LAZY.

Well, with Magneto, you have to be realistic there. If you want to keep his origin story, then you have to have him being alive during WWII....and the general audience would have been a wee bit confused if we saw the character as a adolescent in WWII and then a man who looks no older than 50, who was huge and muscular playing the role...when the war was over 60 years ago.

CaptainGenerica

02-23-2009, 09:09 PM

Papa Burgundy

02-24-2009, 01:11 AM

I understand your points but Magneto survived the Holocaust, he is an very old man and Ian Mckellan's portrayal was top notch in my opinion.

Well, with Magneto, you have to be realistic there. If you want to keep his origin story, then you have to have him being alive during WWII....and the general audience would have been a wee bit confused if we saw the character as a adolescent in WWII and then a man who looks no older than 50, who was huge and muscular playing the role...when the war was over 60 years ago.

good points guys...but maybe it just wasnt the magneto i wanted to see...he just wasnt a convincing enough threat to me in the movies...at his crappiest in 3 but so was everything else in that flaimng bag of garbage.

but i guess thats just me being selfish. kinda like some people want post crisis superman in a movie but lots prefer the classic superman. or how people say spiderman should be making jokes during battles in the movies but i argue its kinda dumb when hes caught in the intesnity of life or death battles.

though spider-man 3 was a big joke itself.

That Street Fighter movie is just indescribable so bad I cant say anything on the matter right now

whats that mean? you saw it?

The Guard

02-24-2009, 02:17 PM

good points guys...but maybe it just wasnt the magneto i wanted to see...he just wasnt a convincing enough threat to me in the movies...at his crappiest in 3 but so was everything else in that flaimng bag of garbage.

When you say he wasn't a convincing threat...exactly what are you basing this on?

I Am The Knight

02-24-2009, 02:55 PM

he should be as big as reeves was for superman

he should look like he could fill out a costume.

even like routh's size

actually routh probably would have nailed this role if he got it.

Routh? Veidt?

ronny

02-24-2009, 03:03 PM

I think that Goode looks fine for the role. It's not so much the build as the air of someone refined and laid-back. That's the core of the character. A guy with a good heart driven to desperate measures by his ideals.
His physical strength is certainly important but I can certainly suspend my disbelief. Because if he nails Ozzy's character then I'll be happy.

Raiden

02-24-2009, 03:14 PM

I wish Goode were bigger-built, like the Greek god physique Veidt had in the GN. But mostly I question whether Goode can pull of the fierce intelligence of Ozzy. I guess there's just one way to find out.

ronny

02-24-2009, 03:25 PM

nickyg641

02-24-2009, 04:49 PM

You certainly don't have to be built like a wrestler to be a gymnast, and pitching a man through a window isn't realistic. But Goode doesn't look just look "lean", or even "athletic", he looks average. As in he eats right and runs the treadmill on weekends and that's about the extent of his athletic exploits.

The first thing that struck me about Goode in costume as Ozzy was how ridiculous he looked with his long neck and thin face poking out from the sculpted body of a Greek God. It may not be realistic to toss a 200 pound man through a window, but if I'm going to suspend my disbelief to that point I may as well be able to believe Silk Spectre did it. Patrick Wilson as the flabby, washed up Nite Owl looks better built than Matthew Goode.

Ozzy is meant to give off the Christopher-Reeve-as-Superman vibe.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/ottoautopilot/reeve-superman-small.jpg

What he ends up looking like in the movie is Peter Parker with a crane neck.

LastSunrise1981

02-24-2009, 05:46 PM

heres HHH's body for those that dont know (he should of been Thor)

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Triple%20H-7.JPG

:whatever:

I'd agree with your notion if HHH could actually act. But since he can't your statement is ridiculous.

The Guard

02-24-2009, 08:15 PM

I don't think that his intelligence was really over-emphasised in the graphic novel. There was a bigger focus on his charisma and impact on other people. Like that interview they have with him, the snippet of him doing his charity gymnastics, the man is charismatic and has a profound compassion for humanity.

I feel that these traits were what Moore was trying to show us, I never felt that we were being hit over the head with some "Veidt's the smartest man on Earth" rap.

He was supposed to be the perfect man. A balance of physical and mental strength. But you don't think his intelligence took precedent in the book? Not even when he was monologuing for ten pages about his plan, Blake, and all the intricacies of that?

He even speaks in those terms at key moments.

"All it takes is a little intelligence"
"It doesn't take genius to realize that AMerica has problems that need tackling".

His very use of intelligence rather than brute force to solve the problem facing the world
illuminates this element further.

His entire realizating of Earth's plight and his response to it is borne of his intelligence.

Muscle and brute force is a part of his plan. Intelligent application is a larger part of it.

"I took a step back, and thought again".

If Moore and Gibbons wanted to show the "charming, compassionate Veidt" for the most part, they would have. They don't. The lion's share of Veidt's scenes in the novel show a very serious, almost sad, intelligent man who is out of step with those around him and very focused on personal goals. There's no compassion for the people he's killed, only a realization that someone had to take the weight of the awful, neccessary crime.

His physical and "charming" elements (even his success with business) is almost irrelevant in the book, and is played as a juxtaposed concept and relegated to the background of WATCHMEN (the TV when Dan and Laurie attempt sex, the comic ads, the background articles).

And you'd better believe Moore was making a statement about superheroes with that approach.

Raiden

02-25-2009, 10:28 AM

^ Well-said, The Guard. :up:

Papa Burgundy

02-25-2009, 08:07 PM

you guys relize routh was actually in great shape. the suit just made him look like he had no muscles...what the hell was it made of? i liked the design mostly, except the missing s on the cape and how the cape was dark red on the back but light on the inside. what the hell?

anyway he couldve got bigger, but singer did want him to get too buff. what the hell...i actually love that movie though...but please lets get a villian he can fight next time...im not all action, (in fact i love the great story in batman begins, dark knight, and spider-man 2) but JESUS ive had enough of lex luthor being the main villian!!!!

Papa Burgundy

02-25-2009, 08:08 PM

When you say he wasn't a convincing threat...exactly what are you basing this on?

a few things actually. for example, he can easily kill wolverine AT ANYTIME and even lifts him up in x1 BUT THEN JUST LEAVES HIM THERE. theres many things i hate about him in x3 but i chalk that up to ratner lol. everybody was so watered down and lame in that movie. that iceman and pyro fight was one of the worst fight scenes in the history of filmaking.

really it comes down to me not being a big fan of ians magneto. though i love the god among men line.

also about veidt, i saw a clip where he used a slight german accent, but i go to the watchmen website and hear him speaking in a american one and it sounds fine. whats going on here?

Crook

02-25-2009, 08:45 PM

He fakes an American accent when he's in public.

Papa Burgundy

02-25-2009, 08:50 PM

He fakes an American accent when he's in public.

thats what i figured...wouldnt be better the other way around? i think so anyway...oh well. im seriously hype for the last 30 or so mins right now. god im gonna read it again.

The Guard

02-25-2009, 08:54 PM

a few things actually. for example, he can easily kill wolverine AT ANYTIME and even lifts him up in x1 BUT THEN JUST LEAVES HIM THERE.

Right...he doesn't kill Wolverine because he's not pure evil. You know, just like he's not pure evil in most comic book versions? That doesn't make him "not a threat". He's clearly capable of terrible things, and great power.

He's not going to kill everyone simply because he can. The man was able to stop Wolverine with a wave of his hand...rip a train apart, hold dozens of cops hostage, and power the mutant machine (which he was willing to kill a young girl for), kill Stryker's soldiers, reconfigure Stryker's machine with a few deft motions, stop the truck convoy, rally a bunch of mutants to his cause, rip apart and transport a bridge...and you're telling me he's somehow not a threat?

Which movies were you watching?

theres many things i hate about him in x3 but i chalk that up to ratner lol.

Such as...

that iceman and pyro fight was one of the worst fight scenes in the history of filmaking.

That's not really a "fight scene", per se. It was two people unloading their powers on each other. And visually and conceptually, it was fantastic.

Papa Burgundy

02-25-2009, 09:48 PM

Right...he doesn't kill Wolverine because he's not pure evil. You know, just like he's not pure evil in most comic book versions? That doesn't make him "not a threat". He's clearly capable of terrible things, and great power.

He's not going to kill everyone simply because he can. The man was able to stop Wolverine with a wave of his hand...rip a train apart, hold dozens of cops hostage, and power the mutant machine (which he was willing to kill a young girl for), kill Stryker's soldiers, reconfigure Stryker's machine with a few deft motions, stop the truck convoy, rally a bunch of mutants to his cause, rip apart and transport a bridge...and you're telling me he's somehow not a threat?

Which movies were you watching?

Such as...

That's not really a "fight scene", per se. It was two people unloading their powers on each other. And visually and conceptually, it was fantastic.

can you just let it go? i dont like him as magneto...you say hes not pure evil but he tries to kill all humans??? or how about when hes throwing all those cars around with people driving them in x3 when he getting mystique? oh you make sense! he doesnt come across as a good threat TO ME in the movies. and if he can do all that crap hes done, why doesnt he kill wolverine when he has all those chances? anyway its really THE PERFORMANCE GIVEN (as i said before) that doesnt make it threatening to me. you see, because people can have different opinons. im sorry i cant think like you.

i hate x3. its a flaming pile of garbage and iceman and pyros fight was one of the worst parts to me. ill call it a fight seeing as they were trying to hurt each other and ended with a headbutt.

im not gonna break down everything i didnt like about x3 for you so you can tell me otherwise.

The Guard

02-25-2009, 09:53 PM

If you don't want to discuss it, don't do so. I can respect your opinion being your opinion, I was simply curious about it. I never asked you to think like me...I asked why you don't think he's threatening in the movies. Now that you've said "the performance given", while I don't particularly agree with you, I can at least see where you were coming from, whereas before you basically said "He didn't kill Wolverine when he had the chance".

Papa Burgundy

02-25-2009, 10:21 PM

i said i didnt like ians performance earlier ya know. i just say he didnt kill wolverine when he had the chance. you mustve missed it.

Crimson Warrior

02-27-2009, 08:43 PM

ok I know this is slighty off topic but I found this to be hilarious!

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/article2278955.ece

Apparently according to the sun, Mr. Goode has had it with fanboys grading him on his Ozymandias before seeing the film for themselves.

"“But if fanboys still hate the film after going and seeing it, they can all line up and s*** my d***"

Also apparently he is playing "Andrew Veidt" is possibly Adrian's long lost brother? will investigate further......

its a tabloid so take it with a grain of salt, we never know the context of the comments or what was added or taken out.

Crook

02-27-2009, 08:56 PM

Heh, well he did comment on the fanboy backlash in a recent video interview. It's in the critics thread, I think. So these statements aren't too far-out from what he said there. Basically he just wants people to see the film before judging him, but he's aware the fans have had more ideal choices for the role (particularly those that were in the running before him).

Crimson Warrior

02-27-2009, 09:05 PM

yes I've seen the vids in that thread as well, and I partly agree with him because I think the fans should give him a chance but he must tread lightly. No matter how much you don't agree with an audiences opinion their still your audience and they still put the food on your table. Just like the cringe inducing (the customer is always right phrase). They may not actually be right, but you still need them to support your business.

ronny

02-28-2009, 12:48 PM

I don't think he should have put it like that but some fans deserve it.
I mean, it's one thing to question his ability to play the role, it's another to be needlessly insulting about him as a person.
I mean, remember the numerous slurs against Heath Ledger when he was announced as The Joker?
Some people make it personal. But Goode shouldn't be so profane, composure is an important virtue.