Captain America's Costume

[lixdexia]

Maybe in Avengers, but he's in a war..... taking on soldiers....with guns. Who probably know headshots are an instant kill.
yeah! he should cover his ears like every other...wait, oh yeah, normal soldiers still had their ears exposed.

[The Squirrel]

as a devout disliker of all things Ultimate if they want to make an Ultimate movie then do it...but this isnt Ultimate Cap

It isn't 616 Cap either. It's in between. Just like Iron Man.

[Whiskey Tango]

I think people are being way too nitpicky. What the concept art doesn't show you is how this looks on screen. When you see the suit with real materials shot on screen, the textures and look are going to come off way better than a CG concept drawing.

I like the design, it's functional, has a military look and has the basic look of Cap. This is not like X-men where they just said "F the comics" and did something completely different.

:up:

[Kurosawa]

Maybe in Avengers, but he's in a war..... taking on soldiers....with guns. Who probably know headshots are an instant kill.

http://combathelmets.blogspot.com/2010/01/german-m42-steel-helmet-of-world-war.html

[Crook]

Was that supposed to disprove him? The helmet design is clearly inspired by it, and it protects the head. I don't get it.

[That person]

and it fits
Thor has a winged helmet
Cap has a winged cowl
and Tony is drunk on Red Bull and Vodka

Good one. :hehe: What about Bruce, Hank, and Jan though?

[Kurosawa]

Was that supposed to disprove him? The helmet design is clearly inspired by it, and it protects the head. I don't get it.

The point is the ears are exposed on soldiers wearing helmets.

Oh and "realism" ftl.

[Webhead2006]

to me i still say things look good for the costume. Plus we dont know how things will look on screen and the actual materials of the costume. Then of course from when ever these renders were drawn to before filming starts up in a few week their could always be some minor tweaks to the suit for all we know.

[Webhead2006]

edit

[Steve Holt]

so is it confirmed that this is the WORLD WAR 2 costume?

looks a bit modern

[Kurosawa]

to me i still say things look good for the costume. Plus we dont know how things will look on screen and the actual materials of the costume. Then of course from when ever these renders were drawn to before filming starts up in a few week their could always be some minor tweaks to the suit for all we know.

If they made changes along the lines of what Rage did a few pages back then most people would be happy.

[Webhead2006]

well its just a wait and see deal right now.

[JeetKuneDo]

Just ran across this...huge coincidence today...wasn't even looking for this type of thing. A Danish band called D.A.D. Check out the bass player (on a 2 stringed bass..hilarious).

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Maybe Cap is more well known internationally than I thought.

[Maximum Carnage]

Euro-rockers. Bleh. Those are 3 minutes I'll never get back.

[Maximum Carnage]

Webhead? Your avatar makes me sad! :.(

[Webhead2006]

why cause TSSM is over?

[Maximum Carnage]

.. Yes! :.(

[JeetKuneDo]

Euro-rockers. Bleh. Those are 3 minutes I'll never get back.

You don't gotta listen...just turn down the sound and check out what the bass player is wearing...

[Crook]

The point is the ears are exposed on soldiers wearing helmets.

You sacrifice the appearance of a mask if you strictly approach it like the WWII helmets. Looking at Rage's manip he literally just pasted an ear on top of the side straps, which logistically just does not work with that particular design.

If they made changes along the lines of what Rage did a few pages back then most people would be happy.
While he did make a few good edits, I can't possibly see how he dramatically changed the design. Comparing both, there's like a 20% difference, tops. Which would insinuate the original is not at all a sacrilege to the CA iconography.

[Maximum Carnage]

Hmm. Other countries still like the U.S.? Hmm. x_X;

[Webhead2006]

yea does suck carnage about TSSM but i dont want to derail this thread.

[LadyVader]

Hmm. Other countries still like the U.S.? Hmm. x_X;

Less so after Sex and the City 2 premiere. :P

[Maximum Carnage]

...True. :x

[Rage]

While the ear is basically just pasted on... it makes a huge difference in the appearance making him look less like a personal massage device and more like Captain America ;P

The other thing that I think really helps is changing the harness and shoulder pads to blue instead of black (straps) It gives that illusion of an entirely blue upper half of the body.

The red stripes make a huge difference too. So while the changes may only be slight and as someone pointed out maybe only 20%... they are an important 20% to capture the look and spirit of Captain America.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r450/RHINO88_album/Captain_America_costume_edits_by_Ra.jpghttp://www.internapse.com/gallery/d/76222-1/03.jpg

Which one looks more like Cap?

[Dragon]

Want a review from the GA - my 2 year Australian daughter, who plays with my plush CA every now and then just saw the images of the costume and instantly recognised and named Cap.

It might be a translation of the original costume - but clearly looks like Cap to a two year old.

It also looks like it was designed by a two year old. :D

[Dave40]

that is a cop out excuse. i doubt any one would look at a poster for the avengers a go "ok, guy in a flying robot suit, god of thunder, wait...wtf, does that guy have tiny wings on his helmet!!? i'm out!"

they're no more distracting than the stars on his shoulders

Exactly.No wings and stars on his shoulders?.Thats really stupid:doh:.They should give him the wings !!!:cmad:.Also,I hate the brown boots and gloves.
They should be red!!.They would look much better!!:cmad::cmad:.

[Dave40]

While the ear is basically just pasted on... it makes a huge difference in the appearance making him look less like a personal massage device and more like Captain America ;P

The other thing that I think really helps is changing the harness and shoulder pads to blue instead of black (straps) It gives that illusion of an entirely blue upper half of the body.

The red stripes make a huge difference too. So while the changes may only be slight and as someone pointed out maybe only 20%... they are an important 20% to capture the look and spirit of Captain America.

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r450/RHINO88_album/Captain_America_costume_edits_by_Ra.jpghttp://www.internapse.com/gallery/d/76222-1/03.jpg

Which one looks more like Cap?


Well said.I dont know why they have to do those stupid changes :wall: .The red gloves and boots make a huge improvement to this costume design !!!!:awesome:.

[Wolfman]

Cap needs more red stripes on his lower torso. I mean straps.

And maybe this has been asked but isn't that costume a bit too high tech for something made in the 40's? And even if not too high tech, I can't believe they could come up with a desing like that in the 40's, it looks way too modern.

AND GIVE 'EM TEH WINGS!!!½1!!

[chris moore]

I'm surprised how the subtle colour changes and addition of some stripes under the straps make such an improvement. Not fussed whether the ears are visible to be honest, and though I like the painted on wings you've done there, if they're absent I don't feel it makes the helmet look too plain or anything. I'm fine with the boots and gloves being brown though. Don't know why, but seeing as the boots have almost the right style to them at the top, them not being red is less of an issue for me

And to be honest, the simplification of the trousers and chest by removing the seemingly superfluous seams actually makes this look more like it could be pulled together in the 40's.

[Timstuff]

I know that with Abomination they got rid of the ears due to the obvious Mike Tyson issue (let's face it, Hulk would tear those things clean off anyway), but with Cap I'm not sure if it'd be as much of an issue. On the flipside, if his ears are covered it could make it very difficult for him to hear on the battlefield. In Batman they cicumvent this problem by explaining that Batman has high-grade, adjustable microphones in the ears anyway which can probably function similar to a hearing aid, but I'm not sure if Cap has any such thing in his helmet, and he certainly wouldn't during World War 2.

Exposed ears look more like the authentic Captain America look, and on top of that they make his head look less penis-like. I think when it comes to a character's headgear, it never hurts to stick close to the source, since the head is the first thing people will look at and if it's off people will notice.

[Dragon]

Is it accurate to say that Cap has lasted for 70 years? Didn't he get canceled a couple of times?

Yeah it is. His title was cancelled in the 50's, but he was brought back in '64 and hasn't been cancelled since. He's had re-numbering, but then, so has Spider-Man, but has run consistently. And the fact that he hasn't been re-designed as was for example The Flash or Green Lantern suggests that most are pleased with his look.

I think some parts of costumes are things we just get used to. There seems to be an unspoken inference that Kirby got the costume absolutely perfect. It's not impossible that the wings were a mistake from the beginning.

Someone could argue that about every aspect of the costume that bugged them in particular. They could say it about the A, the stripes, the buccaneer boots, what have you. The point is Cap- the total package is what's lasted, so make use of it.

I find it pretty hard to believe any fanboy would avoid this movie for any reason. Even if he was dressed in a pink outfit, any Cap fanboy would still go see it, wouldn't they? ;)

Ask the guys who made the '91 debacle.

On the other hand, little things that are perceived as "stupid" can get passed around about a movie and can grow into an "accepted fact" and keep some away. I remember the color of the Hulk's skin in the Ang Lee movie became one of those things.

Again refer to Cap '91- rubber ears and an Italian Red Skull with eczema :rolleyes:

Follow the path of Jeet Kune Do my friend- Use what works.

[not_a_victim]

yet you still knew what i was talking about.

What color is the eagle for a Colonel or Navy Captain???
What color is the eagle on the US Navy Petty Officer emblem????

and before you talk about what you dont know go look for the Kirby sketchbook(might be online) where he describes the elements of that first costume....the wings are there as a symbol of the Eagle.

No, I obviously couldn't read your mind. You were in the Navy for 10 years (thank you for your service) but you refer to the Bald Eagle as an American Eagle?

[not_a_victim]

I find it excetionally odd that some of the same people who are saying the gloves and boots are too "clunky", and the costume should be "streamlined" are some of the same ones saying they want the completely non-functional, extremely NOT streamlilned wings on the helmet/cowl...
The cognitive dissonace must be deafening....

[Rage]

I'm surprised how the subtle colour changes and addition of some stripes under the straps make such an improvement. Not fussed whether the ears are visible to be honest, and though I like the painted on wings you've done there, if they're absent I don't feel it makes the helmet look too plain or anything. I'm fine with the boots and gloves being brown though. Don't know why, but seeing as the boots have almost the right style to them at the top, them not being red is less of an issue for me

And to be honest, the simplification of the trousers and chest by removing the seemingly superfluous seams actually makes this look more like it could be pulled together in the 40's.

I can't take credit for the wings... I stole them from another manipulation. I don't think that the the painted on wings make a huge difference... but I do feel that the ears protruding from the mask do make a huge difference. I don't mind the brown gloves and boots... but this costume needs more red IMO. I don't like the piping and texturing in the costume, it does make it look way to advanced for WWII. THose slight mods make it a more believable "high tech" WWII costume.

[Doctor Jones]

The red boots and gloves just don't work. Those two things look gaudy as hell. I don't want a huge ass waving flag on the battlefield. A symbol is fine, but he also needs to do his job, not be a moving target. And it's patriotic enough.

[roach]

The red boots and gloves just don't work. Those two things look gaudy as hell. I don't want a huge ass waving flag on the battlefield. A symbol is fine, but he also needs to do his job, not be a moving target. And it's patriotic enough.

but that was the purpose of Captain America...to be a big ass waving flag on the battle field

[Mercurius]

Quick...easy edits to make it more Cap-like.

I made the A and Star bigger

Added Wings.

Took out the piping in the uniform

Added a WWII style utility belt

Made the star bigger

ADDED EARS!!

Added more vertical red striping

Added texture to the white undershirt area

Took the straps off of gloves

Made the boots and gloves red

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r450/RHINO88_album/Captain_America_costume_edits_by_Ra.jpg



Now that's something that translates decently.

Who would complain about it? It's just so very simple to make it right. :cwink:

[not_a_victim]

Now that's something that translates decently.

Who would complain about it? It's just so very simple to make it right. :cwink:

Where in the world would someone get RED PIRATE BOOTS? This stuff may look good in a picture, but put the same red boots an a actor, and have him move through various light sources, and it would just look tragic on screen...
No to red boots, and no to red gloves.
The rusty brown of teh original released artwork will work just fine...

[JeetKuneDo]

Yeah it is. His title was cancelled in the 50's, but he was brought back in '64 and hasn't been cancelled since. He's had re-numbering, but then, so has Spider-Man, but has run consistently. And the fact that he hasn't been re-designed as was for example The Flash or Green Lantern suggests that most are pleased with his look.

That's fair. I would say "most comic fans" here. I never had a huge problem with his look, but I can honestly say the little wings were kinda goofy.

Someone could argue that about every aspect of the costume that bugged them in particular. They could say it about the A, the stripes, the buccaneer boots, what have you. The point is Cap- the total package is what's lasted, so make use of it.

I just went and checked out the Thor pic last night...so I can relate to "too many changes" worry. That costume could be a disaster if that pic is accurate. But the comic Cap costume is just too "stripey" No offense to the US flag, but red, white, and blue is just hard on the eyes in real life. As iconic as Superman is, I think his costume is a big hindrance to his movies now. (The TV show has lasted because they avoid the costume.)

Ask the guys who made the '91 debacle.

I would submit the only people who saw that were Cap fanboys. :)


Follow the path of Jeet Kune Do my friend- Use what works.

:up:

Spider-Man gives me hope that a comic costume can work, but so far that's one of the rare exceptions. I'm just now getting excited for Cap, I don't want a failure that would end or diminish Marvel's plans. I'm a worrier by nature I think. Or maybe the Hulk disaster made me cautious. (Though in support of your "use what works" I still think not using the Hulk's comic personality hurt that franchise.)

[Mercurius]

Where in the world would someone get RED PIRATE BOOTS? This stuff may look good in a picture, but put the same red boots an a actor, and have him move through various light sources, and it would just look tragic on screen...
No to red boots, and no to red gloves.
The rusty brown of teh original released artwork will work just fine...

They would get those in Superhero Land, the saaaaaame place where Tony Stark's got a shiny red & golden armour, and Spidey's got his very tight red & blue costume.

Get used to it. :cwink:

Plus: red stripes are in the US flag, and, let's see... Captain America wears the flag?

I don't remember that particular flag having "rusty brown" stripes.

[not_a_victim]

They would get those in Superhero Land, the saaaaaame place where Tony Stark's got a shiny red & golden armour, and Spidey's got his very tight red & blue costume.

Get used to it. :cwink:

Plus: red stripes are in the US flag, and, let's see... Captain America wears the flag?

I don't remember that particular flag having "rusty brown" stripes.

I didn't say anything about the flag. Just the boots and gloves.
and if you will google the flag of Peurto Rico, you will see that is the flag Cap actually wears.
I realize he is supposed to "represent" something, but the more pristine and flaglike you make the costume, the more it will seem a waste when it is dirtied/bloodied/ripped up in combat...
He doesn't wear teh flag, as much as his costume implies the flag. It's already been shown the colors on the costume don't match the American Flag, and the pattern is nowhere close...
You could equally say Evel Kneivel wore the flag with his jumpsuits.

[Whiskey Tango]

http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r450/RHINO88_album/Captain_America_costume_edits_by_Ra.jpg

I'm not really fond of the extra abdomen stripes. I appreciate that he has that many in the comics, but combining the fabric ones with the straps looks more off to me than just having the two red straps.

Making the boots & gloves red turned out really well.

I'm not sold on the ears either but I think his head needs something, even if they just flare out the helmet a bit. I'm not saying he looks like Captain Penishead, but it does look a little too much like a pro-wrestler mask to me.

I have to keep reminding myself that this is just concept art. Aside form the little things I think they're on the right track.

[Mercurius]

I didn't say anything about the flag. Just the boots and gloves.
and if you will google the flag of Peurto Rico, you will see that is the flag Cap actually wears.
I realize he is supposed to "represent" something, but the more pristine and flaglike you make the costume, the more it will seem a waste when it is dirtied/bloodied/ripped up in combat...
He doesn't wear teh flag, as much as his costume implies the flag. It's already been shown the colors on the costume don't match the American Flag, and the pattern is nowhere close...
You could equally say Evel Kneivel wore the flag with his jumpsuits.

When I say he "wears the flag" I'm not implying he should have stars over his right eye and red & blue running horizontally through his body.

Am I? You like the "rusty brown" thing and now argues for literal interpretation?

So, his uniform being red, white and blue is not mere coincidence, nor his adopted name being Captain America. Thus, boots and gloves are in red, originally, for some reason.

That should be clear enough.

If, on the other hand, that's not sufficiently eloquent for you, then ok, let's put some "rusty brown" on it. Or let's just watch some old videos with Evel Knievel flying around and falling. :oldrazz:

[Lovers~Legend]

The red boots and gloves just don't work. Those two things look gaudy as hell. I don't want a huge ass waving flag on the battlefield. A symbol is fine, but he also needs to do his job, not be a moving target. And it's patriotic enough. :up:

[Mercurius]

but that was the purpose of Captain America...to be a big ass waving flag on the battle field

Exactly. He is literally the starry-eyed idealist. And that's what is interesting about him, especially considering what it means politically.

[Lovers~Legend]

They would get those in Superhero Land, the saaaaaame place where Tony Stark's got a shiny red & golden armour, and Spidey's got his very tight red & blue costume.

Get used to it. :cwink:

Plus: red stripes are in the US flag, and, let's see... Captain America wears the flag?

I don't remember that particular flag having "rusty brown" stripes. Wrong. His uniform represents the colors and spirit of the flag. He doesn't literally wear a translation of the flag. If so he'd have 13 red stripes and 51 stars printed on his chest. Get serious now. Red gloves and boots are gaudy enough to an already "gaudy" costume. I never liked the captain america costume to be honest. I love the character. always have but always wondered why out of most of the heros he had the lamest uniform =/

[captaintass]

I would like to say I have no problem with that pic. :)

I would also like to add that the probable reason why your wife knows so much about Cap's wings is due to that tattoo.


Thanks! :)

And while she is intimately familiar with my tattoo she is probably more aware of Cap's wings because she is a lifelong comic reader and geekette. :cwink:

[captaintass]

Just ran across this...huge coincidence today...wasn't even looking for this type of thing. A Danish band called D.A.D. Check out the bass player (on a 2 stringed bass..hilarious).

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Maybe Cap is more well known internationally than I thought.

I applaud the bass player's balls but he looks dumb with no WINGS ON HIS HEAD!

[Lovers~Legend]

He looks dumb in that costume period.

[Mercurius]

Wrong. His uniform represents the colors and spirit of the flag. He doesn't literally wear a translation of the flag. If so he'd have 13 red stripes and 51 stars printed on his chest. Get serious now. Red gloves and boots are gaudy enough to an already "gaudy" costume. I never liked the captain america costume to be honest. I love the character. always have but always wondered why out of most of the heros he had the lamest uniform =/

Well, if you never liked it, and confess you do not understand why that "lamest" of uniforms, you are not exactly the best judge of it, now are you?

Re./ getting literal. I wasn't being literal, I was being emphatic.

And, no, red would go well. Red was good enough for Iron Man and Spidey. No reason why it couldn't be for CA.

And Rage's manip is a clear proof that it would be great.

[not_a_victim]

When I say he "wears the flag" I'm not implying he should have stars over his right eye and red & blue running horizontally through his body.

Am I? You like the "rusty brown" thing and now argues for literal interpretation?
So, his uniform being red, white and blue is not mere coincidence, nor his adopted name being Captain America. Thus, boots and gloves are in red, originally, for some reason.

That should be clear enough.

If, on the other hand, that's not sufficiently eloquent for you, then ok, let's put some "rusty brown" on it. Or let's just watch some old videos with Evel Knievel flying around and falling. :oldrazz:

I don't want any part of the costume taken literally.
the small changes that have been made will probably make sense in the movie universe, just like the BB, TDK, and IM costumes received some exposition, this costume probably will as well.
Additionally, it's pretty obvious Marvel is not too overly worried about literal costume translations on the big screen, and even poke fun at fanboy rantings in the movies, "What did you expect? Yellow spandex?"
I'm not saying they made good decisions on the costumes in teh XM movies, but they see how futile it is trying to translate a comic costume directly to the big screen.

[not_a_victim]

Well, if you never liked it, and confess you do not understand why that "lamest" of uniforms, you are not exactly the best judge of it, now are you?

Re./ getting literal. I wasn't being literal, I was being emphatic.

And, no, red would go well. Red was good enough for Iron Man and Spidey. No reason why it couldn't be for CA.
And Rage's manip is a clear proof that it would be great.

Yes, because a weapon built by a narcissistic egomaniac and a costume created by a high-school kid are equivilant to the U.S. Gov't project to create supersoldiers...:woot:

[Mercurius]

I don't want any part of the costume taken literally.
the small changes that have been made will probably make sense in the movie universe, just like the BB, TDK, and IM costumes received some exposition, this costume probably will as well.
Additionally, it's pretty obvious Marvel is not too overly worried about literal costume translations on the big screen, and even poke fun at fanboy rantings in the movies, "What did you expect? Yellow spandex?"
I'm not saying they made good decisions on the costumes in teh XM movies, but they see how futile it is trying to translate a comic costume directly to the big screen.

No, they try to get some herd behaviour from kids with these remarks, that are not very smart humour.

It's just like school stuff: one pokes fun without being right nor particularly a bright comedian, but gets the crowd to act like a crowd.

[not_a_victim]

No, they try to get some herd behaviour from kids with these remarks, that are not very smart humour.

It's just like school stuff: one pokes fun without being right nor particularly a bright comedian, but gets the crowd to act like a crowd.

Well, of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm not the one here tearing down the costume from concept art, now am I.
If you didn't think that line was funny, maybe it was aimed at you...
And I thought that was the best line of all three movies...

[Lovers~Legend]

Well, if you never liked it, and confess you do not understand why that "lamest" of uniforms, you are not exactly the best judge of it, now are you?

Re./ getting literal. I wasn't being literal, I was being emphatic.

And, no, red would go well. Red was good enough for Iron Man and Spidey. No reason why it couldn't be for CA.

And Rage's manip is a clear proof that it would be great. As I have an understanding of symbolism and marvel's vast history I would be one of the best "judges" to pass on his thoughts on the subject. And, so you know, Cap's costume has changed several times, and currently Rogers wears something similar to the concept art. Out with the old, in with the new.

Red is a good color for super heroes.

Rogers is a super soldier.

You know whats funny? An argument that a lot of the purists use is that "This is a super hero movie in a world where belief should be suspended. They should translate the comic book world to the screen."

But you know what? Comic Book movies were made with the thought "I wonder what spider-man would look like in real-life"

The main purpose of these movies are to imagine the possibility of these characters being real, and in the real world, as in, -our- world. Fans have imagined the idea of spidey swinging through their sky line and got to see a pretty damn good representation of such. Fans have wondered "WTF would Ironman REALLY look like....is iteven possible? How could they make sense out of it". And they pulled it off.

It's not all about colors and source material being literally translated on screen. It's about keeping the spirit of the hero/character in tact, while making it believable , as much as possible, that "hey...yeah I can buy that".


So. Can I buy a soldier in WW2 wearing bright red boots and gloves? Let alone a shield? No, but IF they had a super soldier trained with an indestructible roundel to go into the heat of WAR with, would I believe that he'd do it emblazoned in bright red white and blue with his ears exposed to shrapnel and explosive sound and wings on the side of his helm for aesthetic appeal? No. No I wouldn't. I'd laugh at a man like that. A man in the concept art released though.....I'd ask what the hell then step to the side.
Roger. That.

[Lovers~Legend]

Well, of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm not the one here tearing down the costume from concept art, now am I.
If you didn't think that line was funny, maybe it was aimed at you...
And I thought that was the best line of all three movies... Thats the thing a lot of people don't realize. That line was directed at the purists that were beating their drums over the traditional x-suits.

[roach]

That is because you are looking at the costume and WW2 and not considering what was going on in the Marvel WW2.

Hitler's armies were running all over Europe unchecked because people were afraid of the Red Skull. They didnt know what he was. Was he a man in a mask..was he a demon. Rumors abound that he could kill with a glance.
At this time the US wasnt in the war....but they knew it wouldnt be long before they'd have to enter it. They figured they'd need something or someone to calm the fears of the troops in case they ran into the Red Skull. So they took the only super soldier they had and decided to make him a symbol of the US. So that when the troops would go into battle with them they'd feel as if they are running into battle with the representation of America. So they decided to costume him in this brightly color costume so he'd be easily recognized on the battle field. They gave him the costume elements of a super hero so that he would be bigger than just a man. He would be a source of inspiration...for the Allied troops and intimidation of the Axis. He would be the rally point. Watching Cap take out a German bunker or capture a patrol would embolden the troops to follow him into battle. He would also put fear into the Axis in much the same way the Red Baron did by flying his bright red plane.
For a man to run into battle dressed like that wasnt a stretch in Marvel WW2(which is what Feige said we were getting in Cap) where atlanteans and fire androids fought dragons and cyborgs and vampire nazi's

[roach]

Thats the thing a lot of people don't realize. That line was directed at the purists that were beating their drums over the traditional x-suits.

I didnt mind the Xmovie suits because they dont have an iconic costume. Every X-man has at least 5-10 different costumes they have worn.
Captain America from the time of his creation to now has only had 2 costume changes...the cowl being connected to the neck and the shield(obviously I am not counting the Bucky suit...but if I did that makes three)

[Crook]

While the ear is basically just pasted on... it makes a huge difference in the appearance making him look less like a personal massage device and more like Captain America ;P
Your manip wouldn't be totally accurate to what you want though. As I said before, the ears are pasted on top of the helmet straps. If you want the ears to be open, then the straps have to go. I don't know if that's to your ability, but once you take the straps off, you'll see how much Cap's head looks different due to the open bottom-half of his face. Imo, it would look worse.

The other thing that I think really helps is changing the harness and shoulder pads to blue instead of black (straps) It gives that illusion of an entirely blue upper half of the body.
The blue works well, but comparing both I hardly see a big difference.


The red stripes make a huge difference too. So while the changes may only be slight and as someone pointed out maybe only 20%... they are an important 20% to capture the look and spirit of Captain America.
I personally have an issue with the additional straps. The original design worked it practically and aesthetically. It's a brilliant implementation that manages to satisfy both requirements. Your manip interrupts that flow of design. And because it's of a different material and appliance of the red stripe, it doesn't match well with the other elements, rendering it superfluous.

[not_a_victim]

As I have an understanding of symbolism and marvel's vast history I would be one of the best "judges" to pass on his thoughts on the subject.

Wow, think a lot of ourselves, don't we?

And, so you know, Cap's costume has changed several times, and currently Rogers wears something similar to the concept art. Out with the old, in with the new.

Red is a good color for super heroes.

Not for Batman, The Punisher, or about a thousand others.

Rogers is a super soldier.

You know whats funny? An argument that a lot of the purists use is that "This is a super hero movie in a world where belief should be suspended. They should translate the comic book world to the screen."

But you know what? Comic Book movies were made with the thought "I wonder what spider-man would look like in real-life"

The main purpose of these movies are to imagine the possibility of these characters being real, and in the real world, as in, -our- world. Fans have imagined the idea of spidey swinging through their sky line and got to see a pretty damn good representation of such. Fans have wondered "WTF would Ironman REALLY look like....is iteven possible? How could they make sense out of it". And they pulled it off.

It's not all about colors and source material being literally translated on screen. It's about keeping the spirit of the hero/character in tact, while making it believable , as much as possible, that "hey...yeah I can buy that".


So. Can I buy a soldier in WW2 wearing bright red boots and gloves? Let alone a shield? No, but IF they had a super soldier trained with an indestructible roundel to go into the heat of WAR with, would I believe that he'd do it emblazoned in bright red white and blue with his ears exposed to shrapnel and explosive sound and wings on the side of his helm for aesthetic appeal? No. No I wouldn't. I'd laugh at a man like that. A man in the concept art released though.....I'd ask what the hell then step to the side.
Roger. That.

While I am perfectly willing to believe most in-movie explanations of things, ever since BB, I think even casual fans or the GA need something to seem to make sense, even in-movie.
That's my argument against the bright red boots. Ask yourself, "Why would any company manufacture bright red combat boots?" There's really no answer, so it shouldn't be in-movie.
Like the suits from BB and TDK. The BB suit had it's origins in a armored suit for soldiers, and like so many real-world things, it was cost prohibitive past a prototype, but it was there for Wayne use as a base for his suit.
Furthermore, some people take a simple sentence or idea, such as "Rogers cobbles together a suit", and stick to THEIR interpretations of what that means, with no further details. As far as I know, no one said Rogers was going to take clothing/gear straight and soley out of military supply, but a lot of people are assuming everything on his costume will be a piece of military equipment.
Lastly, look at the Thor concept art compared to the first released pic of Helmsworth as Thor. The costume looks so much better in the pic than the art. That is where lighting and finishing comes into play.

[Kurosawa]

The red boots and gloves just don't work. Those two things look gaudy as hell. I don't want a huge ass waving flag on the battlefield. A symbol is fine, but he also needs to do his job, not be a moving target. And it's patriotic enough.

:up:

LOL @ people who don't understand Cap at ALL. Cap is SUPPOSED to be in the Nazi's face, larger than life, symbolic and noticeable. If I wanted a realistic WWII movie I'd watch Band of Brothers or WWII in HD. Cap is NOT realistic. Screw realism. It's just more self-loathing/elitist Hollywood crap. And it's laziness. You take away the red and bright blue in the costume, the wings, everything that makes Cap look like Cap..you might as well just put him in super-realistic black ops gear. This half-assed stuff is weaksauce at it's weakest. Personally, I say design an awesome 100% accurate costume and tell the GA to deal with it and if it looked awesome they would. But I'm not ashamed of being a comics fan either.

[roach]

Ask yourself, "Why would any company manufacture bright red combat boots?" There's really no answer, so it shouldn't be in-movie.


If the United States Government went to a boot manufacturer and said we need red combat boots...I think the company would make them...especially back in 1940's America where people generally did what the government told them to.

[Lovers~Legend]

LOL @ people who don't understand Cap at ALL. We don't understand Rogers because we don't want to see the original costume brought to life? Or even more so, because we don't want him wearing red boots or gloves? Good argument. Good claim.

[Mercurius]

Well, of course, you are entitled to your opinion, but I'm not the one here tearing down the costume from concept art, now am I.
If you didn't think that line was funny, maybe it was aimed at you...
And I thought that was the best line of all three movies...

It wasn't aimed at me, victim: I haven't created Wolverine, nor painted his panels for, like, almost 40 years.

I just read.:yay:

It was funny, of course, for the crowd. Not my kind of humour, though, the high school mindless.

[Kurosawa]

We don't understand Rogers because we don't want to see the original costume brought to life? Or even more so, because we don't want him wearing red boots or gloves? Good argument. Good claim.

You don't understand Cap because you don't understand that Cap is supposed to be symbolic and noticeable. Cap is meant to be over the top.

An unarmed guy, even the greatest athlete and fighter ever jumps into 50 trained soldiers with weapons-in real life he gets the crap killed out of him. In Cap thats the first 3 pages. You make Cap realistic it's no longer Cap. And half-assing it is even worse.

Why so ashamed?

[Mercurius]

As I have an understanding of symbolism and marvel's vast history I would be one of the best "judges" to pass on his thoughts on the subject. And, so you know, Cap's costume has changed several times, and currently Rogers wears something similar to the concept art. Out with the old, in with the new.

Red is a good color for super heroes.

Rogers is a super soldier.

You know whats funny? An argument that a lot of the purists use is that "This is a super hero movie in a world where belief should be suspended. They should translate the comic book world to the screen."

But you know what? Comic Book movies were made with the thought "I wonder what spider-man would look like in real-life"

The main purpose of these movies are to imagine the possibility of these characters being real, and in the real world, as in, -our- world. Fans have imagined the idea of spidey swinging through their sky line and got to see a pretty damn good representation of such. Fans have wondered "WTF would Ironman REALLY look like....is iteven possible? How could they make sense out of it". And they pulled it off.

It's not all about colors and source material being literally translated on screen. It's about keeping the spirit of the hero/character in tact, while making it believable , as much as possible, that "hey...yeah I can buy that".


So. Can I buy a soldier in WW2 wearing bright red boots and gloves? Let alone a shield? No, but IF they had a super soldier trained with an indestructible roundel to go into the heat of WAR with, would I believe that he'd do it emblazoned in bright red white and blue with his ears exposed to shrapnel and explosive sound and wings on the side of his helm for aesthetic appeal? No. No I wouldn't. I'd laugh at a man like that. A man in the concept art released though.....I'd ask what the hell then step to the side.
Roger. That.

"Keeping the spirit" is an excuse for lack of interest in how the original material is like.

But the original source has its reasons for being the way it is, and it is a success for years because of the iconic status it has reached.

Failing to notice that is also failure in the result. The best of the adaptations are those that take the source material carefully, without destroying it.

Concerning Marvel properties, especially Spider Man and Iron Man, so far.

[Mercurius]

LOL @ people who don't understand Cap at ALL. Cap is SUPPOSED to be in the Nazi's face, larger than life, symbolic and noticeable. If I wanted a realistic WWII movie I'd watch Band of Brothers or WWII in HD. Cap is NOT realistic. Screw realism. It's just more self-loathing/elitist Hollywood crap. And it's laziness. You take away the red and bright blue in the costume, the wings, everything that makes Cap look like Cap..you might as well just put him in super-realistic black ops gear. This half-assed stuff is weaksauce at it's weakest. Personally, I say design an awesome 100% accurate costume and tell the GA to deal with it and if it looked awesome they would. But I'm not ashamed of being a comics fan either.

Now we're talking.

[not_a_victim]

"Keeping the spirit" is an excuse for lack of interest in how the original material is like.

But the original source has its reasons for being the way it is, and it is a success for years because of the iconic status it has reached.

Failing to notice that is also failure in the result. The best of the adaptations are those that take the source material carefully, without destroying it.

Concerning Marvel properties, especially Spider Man and Iron Man, so far.

Yes, but it is those who doggedly insist that inked drawings will translate directly to 24 frames a second in various lighting who don't understand "souce material" must sometimes be tinkered with to make it work on the big screen.
I would say the costume/prop department probably made a direct mock-up of a traditional Cap suit. Maybe even did photographic and screen tests with it. Then, they decostructed the suit, kept what worked, and got rid of what didn't. With the literally thousands of pages of Cap images to reference, I don't think this costume was their first choice, but probably the overall best translation of the suit to the real world.

Just a theory, though.

[Crook]

You don't understand Cap because you don't understand that Cap is supposed to be symbolic and noticeable. Cap is meant to be over the top.

An unarmed guy, even the greatest athlete and fighter ever jumps into 50 trained soldiers with weapons-in real life he gets the crap killed out of him. In Cap thats the first 3 pages. You make Cap realistic it's no longer Cap. And half-assing it is even worse.

Why so ashamed?
Are you kidding? Just because it could be *more* gaudy, doesn't make the original tamed. Can you even show me a picture that looks remotely like the concept pic? It's entirely unique and Cap-like. It's colors are already over-the-top, and 90% of the design (which is beyond abnormal) is in tact.

Give me a break.

[Kurosawa]

Yes, but it is those who doggedly insist that inked drawings will translate directly to 24 frames a second in various lighting who don't understand "souce material" must sometimes be tinkered with to make it work on the big screen.
I would say the costume/prop department probably made a direct mock-up of a traditional Cap suit. Maybe even did photographic and screen tests with it. Then, they decostructed the suit, kept what worked, and got rid of what didn't. With the literally thousands of pages of Cap images to reference, I don't think this costume was their first choice, but probably the overall best translation of the suit to the real world.

Just a theory, though.

Or maybe they're just arrogant/incompetent/cheap. After the Spider-Man costume, the Iron Man movies and Avatar, the 'ol "won't work on film: argument is no longer valid.

[DorkyFresh]

just because Caps is supposed to be a symbolic figure doesn't mean his outfit should only be limited to red, white, and blue. imo, the red gloves and boots are too much. it's fine for Spider-Man because he's supposed to be campy, but if we (and especially the general audience) are to take Caps seriously his costume DOES need to be toned down (hence them leaving the ears off and giving him brown boots and gloves). remember, the USO costume is supposed to be the uber faithful costume. it's when his costume is reformed that it's made more practical.

[Kurosawa]

Yes, but it is those who doggedly insist that inked drawings will translate directly to 24 frames a second in various lighting who don't understand "souce material" must sometimes be tinkered with to make it work on the big screen.
I would say the costume/prop department probably made a direct mock-up of a traditional Cap suit. Maybe even did photographic and screen tests with it. Then, they decostructed the suit, kept what worked, and got rid of what didn't. With the literally thousands of pages of Cap images to reference, I don't think this costume was their first choice, but probably the overall best translation of the suit to the real world.

Just a theory, though.

Or maybe they're just arrogant/incompetent/cheap. After the Spider-Man costume, the Iron Man movies and Avatar, the 'ol "won't work on film: argument is no longer valid.

[Duker Jay]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.

[Kurosawa]

just because Caps is supposed to be a symbolic figure doesn't mean his outfit should only be limited to red, white, and blue. imo, the red gloves and boots are too much. it's fine for Spider-Man because he's supposed to be campy, but if we (and especially the general audience) are to take Caps seriously his costume DOES need to be toned down (hence them leaving the ears off and giving him brown boots and gloves). remember, the USO costume is supposed to be the uber faithful costume. it's when his costume is reformed that it's made more practical.

Yes, the USO costume is supposed to be faithful..and it's also ridiculed then replaced with a more "realistic" version. The message is quite clear.

[not_a_victim]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.

Nice idea, excecution, and technical work.
I'd be all about this idea.

[not_a_victim]

Or maybe they're just arrogant/incompetent/cheap. After the Spider-Man costume, the Iron Man movies and Avatar, the 'ol "won't work on film: argument is no longer valid.

Yes, as Marvel has realized it's multi-billion dollar movie business, and turned it over to arrogant/incompetent/cheap production designers. And even in the SM movies, there were subtle jabs at teh costume. "It rides up in the crotch."
Another reason the SM costume worked is it was given a prototype phase during the wrestling match, and exposition as to it's ultimate creation by the costume sketching montage. We mightnot know how a high school kid physically manufactured such a costume, but we know some of the evolution and thought process behind it.
Same way with the Cap costume, if we see the USO costume, then the combat version of it later in the film. If nothing else, Cap may strive to be recognizable in a combat uniform as the same person who was doing the goofy stuff on stage for the USO tour...
And yes, the "It worn't work on film" argument is very valid, as that is the ultimate goal, is to get some good images ON FILM.

[DorkyFresh]

Yes, the USO costume is supposed to be faithful..and it's also ridiculed then replaced with a more "realistic" version. The message is quite clear.
it IS quite clear......a truly faithful adaptation of the Cap's classic suit would just be plain corny. if you don't think so then tough cookies.

[TruerToTheCore]

Everything about this movie screams "SUCK".

Captain America is a symbol.

[Kurosawa]

it IS quite clear......a truly faithful adaptation of the Cap's classic suit would just be plain corny. if you don't think so then tough cookies.

So why include a faithful adaptation of it then crack on it? All they could do is piss hardcore fans off and fans like you think the classic suit is stupid anyway. Why even address it?

To be honest, if there was no USO scene and the costume had red gloves and boots (not even wings), I'd be less annoyed.

Hopefully one day a director that is good (not hacks like Tim Story or Joe "I ripped off the Absorbing Dad ending" Johnston) will adapt one of Kirby's characters and do it right. I guess you could count Iron Man, but Jack wasn't really heavily involved in it-it's more Stan and Don Heck's character than anything. At least Farveau isn't ashamed of Iron Man comics.

[DorkyFresh]

An idea for the wings...
this is the best concept for physical wings i've seen so far! it's not corny and it adds that extra little "umph" to the side of his helmet. the only thing i'd say is that it looks too much like the Nike swoosh, probably because it's to curvy. there is nothing else on his suit that's curvy so it sorta looks out of place. if the design were more angular i'd be all for it! either way, major kudos!

[Kurosawa]

Everything about this movie screams "SUCK".

Captain America is a symbol.

Johnston screwed up the Wolf Man so bad that he put Del Toro to sleep during the filming. He's a hack's hack, Tim Story pt2. This is the FF movie all over again. I was right then, I'm right now.

Hate being right all the time about these sorts of things, though. :cmad:

[TruerToTheCore]

This costume (oh, I get it, it's not a costume, it's a "uniform for special forces") looks like a parody.

Seriously. It does.

[Kurosawa]

This costume (oh, I get it, it's not a costume, it's a "uniform for special forces") looks like a parody.

Seriously. It does.

His Wolf Man movie was an unintentional parody so....

[DorkyFresh]

So why include a faithful adaptation of it then crack on it? All they could do is piss hardcore fans off and fans like you think the classic suit is stupid anyway. Why even address it?
it MIGHT piss off hardcore fans, but many other Cap fans will watch that scene and get a little chuckle out of it. it's all in how you look at it. some will see the scene and think "that's so disrespectful!!! omg, my panties!" but others will watch it and think "i'm sure glad they didn't go with that suit!" sure it'll piss some hardcore fans off, but that's what happens when you become a hardcore fan. you become so idealized that you're shut off to certain ideas, even if they're logical. fortunately, this film is not being made just for the hardcore fans.

Hopefully one day a director that is good (not hacks like Tim Story or Joe "I ripped off the Absorbing Dad ending" Johnston) will adapt one of Kirby's characters and do it right. I guess you could count Iron Man, but Jack wasn't really heavily involved in it-it's more Stan and Don Heck's character than anything. At least Farveau isn't ashamed of Iron Man comics.
i'd hardly consider Joe Johnston a hack. i haven't seen Wolfman (i've seen the reviews) but his previous films are solid, especially the underrated 'Hidalgo'. as for Farveau not being ashamed of Iron Man...it's easier to make a movie about a 'cool' character like Iron Man or Spider-Man than it is to make a movie about a character who wears the colors of the American flag for his outfit. Visually speaking from a character design standpoint: Metal & Webbing > American Flag








Hate being right all the time about these sorts of things, though. :cmad:
hmmm...

Or maybe they're just ARROGANT...
pot...kettle....i think you get the picture.

[TruerToTheCore]

What would they do to Reuben Flagg's costume:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/7653/flagg01.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/flagg01.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Punitore]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.

reed richards white temples?..

[Kurosawa]

it MIGHT piss off hardcore fans, but many other Cap fans will watch that scene and get a little chuckle out of it. it's all in how you look at it. some will see the scene and think "that's so disrespectful!!! omg, my panties!" but others will watch it and think "i'm sure glad they didn't go with that suit!" sure it'll piss some hardcore fans off, but that's what happens when you become a hardcore fan. you become so idealized that you're shut off to certain ideas, even if they're logical. fortunately, this film is not being made just for the hardcore fans.


i'd hardly consider Joe Johnston a hack. i haven't seen Wolfman (i've seen the reviews) but his previous films are solid, especially the underrated 'Hidalgo'. as for Farveau not being ashamed of Iron Man...it's easier to make a movie about a 'cool' character like Iron Man or Spider-Man than it is to make a movie about a character who wears the colors of the American flag for his outfit. Visually speaking from a character design standpoint: Metal & Webbing > American Flag









hmmm...


pot...kettle....i think you get the picture.

Wanting Kirby's creations to be shown respect makes me arrogant? When I was blasting Corporate Doom and cloud Galactus people like you offered the same defenses. After two wretched FF movies, I was proven right. And the Wolf Man is just terrible. He's a hack.

And Cap IS a cool character.

[Saint]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.
Interesting idea. I'm not sure about the specific shape you used (I would prefer something I little sharper), but the idea is a good one.

[DorkyFresh]

Wanting Kirby's creations to be shown respect makes me arrogant?
no...you thinking that you're always right does.

When I was blasting Corporate Doom and cloud Galactus people like you offered the same defenses. After two wretched FF movies, I was proven right.
for someone who claims to be right all the time, you couldn't be more wrong. sans Evans, i disliked almost everything about FF...ESPECIALLY the Galactus cloud. you would do good not to assume that just because someone disagrees with you on one issue means they'll disagree on EVERY issue. quit being so narrow...

And the Wolf Man is just terrible. He's a hack.
no comment on Wolf Man, but if he's a hack then he's the best one in the industry. i don't know of any hacks that could convince Spielberg to hand them the 3rd Jurassic Park (which many consider better than the 2nd). i'll fully agree with you about Tim Story being a hack though.

And Cap IS a cool character.
i'll agree with you again, but his initial design is still pretty corny.

[Kurosawa]

no...you thinking that you're always right does.


for someone who claims to be right all the time, you couldn't be more wrong. sans Evans, i disliked almost everything about FF...ESPECIALLY the Galactus cloud. you would do good not to assume that just because someone disagrees with you on one issue means they'll disagree on EVERY issue. quit being so narrow...


no comment on Wolf Man, but if he's a hack then he's the best one in the industry. i don't know of any hacks that could convince Spielberg to hand them the 3rd Jurassic Park (which many consider better than the 2nd). i'll fully agree with you about Tim Story being a hack though.


i'll agree with you again, but his initial design is still pretty corny.

Well, we'll see and when/if the Cap movie turns out to be less than it should have been, I will certainly be forgiving of those who defended it. And if a set pic comes out and the costume has been altered to be more faithful then I will certainly be the first to say that they improved the suit. Honestly I don't care about what other fans think, I only want to see Cap done right and Kirby paid respect.

Jurassic Park III was mediocre, IMO. Wasn't awed by any of them except the first, although they all had their moments.

[Dark Raven]

What if Cap's unadorned helmet gets shat on by some pigeon, so that there are two white bird poo stains in the shape of wings? That would be a plausible way of explaining why they are on there, and he doesn't have time to remove it in battle (or doesn't want to touch it with his gloves to wipe it off).

[Rage]

You can expose the ears quite easily and still have a chin strap.

https://store.nexternal.com/armynavy/images/Mich-Helmet-Chin-Strap1.gif
http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/0/8/3/1/1/1/webimg/356608730_tp.jpg
http://www.body-armour-protection.co.uk/buy/pasgt-military-helmet-200.jpg
http://media.canada.com/a5c82e0d-1bbb-4793-b4c3-b5a9cb94d475/oilerstrangler_410.jpg

[Mr. Earle]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.I like it!

Anyway, the costume is good, but i really miss that vintage feel that we've come to associate with Cap. He looks too modern, as if he really belongs in 2010. To me Cap needs to feel a bit old school. Yeah i know, Shield will give him a modern suit, but it doesnt have to look so technical and geeky you know?

[Rage]

THe reason that Cap's costume has stayed around and basically the same for so long is that it is iconic. Look how fans responded to the debacle that was Superman Returns and the shower curtain he was wearing.

I've been drawing cap for probably 25+ years and I've tried numerous times to redesign the costume or tweek it just because... but nothing works quite like the original.

My hope is that the Kirby style Uniform in the movie is accurate and looks good and that Steve only dislikes it because it represents the USO and him not being in combat and when he goes awol he realizes that it is a valuable tool to inspire confidence in the troops and fear in the enemy... AND the only reason he moves to a newer version is that the "stage costume" is just that... not meant to hold up to the elements.

That being said... Keep the newer "tougher" costume at least close to the original. And for me... 2 red stripes is not enough. The flag is mostly red and white stripes...to downplay that aspect of the costume makes it look less like Cap to me automatically.

And to get rid of the ears... That just looks wrong. See how wrong it looks in the old Captain America Serials, that Euro-rock band's base player and even the concept art. What is the point of covering his ears? IF he is wearing a helmet anyway, why cover his ears? Did soldiers in WWII go into battle wearing ear muffs?

Making the black trim Blue helps to maintain the ratio on Blue/WHite/Blue on the costume. The only Brown should be the belt and maybe the... MAYBE the boots.

Marvel did such a good job translating Ironman and Hulk and Thor is middle of the road... I DON'T WANT CAP TO BE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD!! While I do think that a literal translation is unlikely to work well on screen... make some SLIGHT mods and keep the overall esthetic of the look... I think they missed the boat on the concept art.

With the slight mods I made, I think that thier mediocre concept is about 85% there and that is close enough for me.

[Rage]

Another point I'd like to make. Could this concept art be for the Avengers? They've been concepting Cap for a long time for his movie... why would they not take the next step and design his costume for the Avengers too? Marvel took it upon themselves to concept Cap well before they had a script or director in place and they even involved Favreau... who is an executive producer on Avengers. I pray that this is for the Avengers...because that will give us some time to see it change :D

[sabetoonth]

so you peole who hate the suit would rather see...
http://figurerealm.com/Customs/10000/9571-4.jpg
with red boots and gloves and wings?

[Kurosawa]

so you peole who hate the suit would rather see...
http://figurerealm.com/Customs/10000/9571-4.jpg
with red boots and gloves and wings?

That figure looks gross.

[sabetoonth]

its not the best looking custom ive seen

[Rage]

Hey he's got brown gloves and boots... must be cool! ;)

That figure looks like an f'n zombie

[sabetoonth]

uses the ML two pack WW2 Cap head,

but like i asked, if that had the wings red boots and gloves would that be more what you want?

[Maximum Carnage]

Make it grittier. WWII wasn't pretty.

[sabetoonth]

of course it wasnt pretty, and i hope they have it so in Cap, but without it getting too dark and gritty

[C. Lee]

To be honest, if there was no USO scene and the costume had red gloves and boots (not even wings), I'd be less annoyed.


I doubt it.....you have taken being annoyed to a whole new level lately.

[lixdexia]

I doubt it.....you have taken being annoyed to a whole new level lately.
i was really hoping this was going to be a ban on the "cap's head looks like a penis" talk...just so i could sig it

[TruerToTheCore]

It must be real horror for some "fans" to read Captain America's books. I am so glad Hollywood is fixing it.

[lixdexia]

It must be real horror for some "fans" to read Captain America's books. I am so glad Hollywood is fixing it.
well...i do cringe everytime i read theater of war. but that's mostly just because i don't like the writing:oldrazz:

[misjuevos]

im still waiting for an actual pic of evans as cap, then we can see what they went with.

[C. Lee]

im still waiting for an actual pic of evans as cap, then we can see what they went with.

Why...when everyone is having so much fun complaining and moaning without the real pics?

[terry78]

I was listening to the radio today, and a congressman, Mike Capuano, was being interviewed and said his nephew, Chris Evans, recently got the part of Captain America. Small world.

[misjuevos]

i just saw a clip of evans at a rally for capuano, evans has a boston accent, really surprised me. i only know him from his movies never knew he was from there, bet he wishes he would have been cast in the departed lol.

[Kurosawa]

I doubt it.....you have taken being annoyed to a whole new level lately.

No more than several other hardcore fans. I might be the only one that relates the USO scene to a disrespect of Kirby but that is how I take it. I don't think it's meant that way but it comes off bad.

[Timstuff]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.

Not bad. This would be an acceptable compromise IMO.

[C. Lee]

No more than several other hardcore fans. I might be the only one that relates the USO scene to a disrespect of Kirby but that is how I take it. I don't think it's meant that way but it comes off bad.

You're like a recod that's stuck...the same stuff over and over and over and over.....Do you not understand....if you continuously complain about the same thing...people will tune you out, you won't get your point accross...you become a fanatic.

[Kurosawa]

Not bad. This would be an acceptable compromise IMO.

All it needs is wings, ears, anything to make the head look better, brighter blue, red gloves and boots and a real red not a Superman Returns red. The rest I can deal with.

[Kurosawa]

You're like a recod that's stuck...the same stuff over and over and over and over.....Do you not understand....if you continuously complain about the same thing...people will tune you out, you won't get your point accross...you become a fanatic.

It's not like I'm the only person complaining in a sea of praise. Why single me out?

[louiebling$]

It's not like I'm the only person complaining in a sea of praise. Why single me out?
Wellthats cuz most of us re complaing but not nearly as bad as you, yea some of us are upset there are no wings and that the Kirby costume isn't being used but you are a Golden Age Purist so when something isn't adapted exact you like you take it personal I get it.... but thing is the rest of us complain can compromise and also except change cuz well as you know this isn't the Golden Age anymore... things will change especially in Comic Book movies..... Honestly if you compare this costume to the Xmen Costumes we got the better end of the stick.

Also you keep saying the USO is basically gonna take a **** on Kirbys Legacy when JJ has distictively said that Steve doesn't hate the costume for its looks... he hates it for what it was being used for and the was for Show... he wants to go out and fight but instead he is stuck in that costume being used for USO shows ergo why he goes AWOL and changes the suit to be more combat ready.... but honestly I think that the USO suit gets damaged so he does the add on... but that's just my pure speculation.

[Kurosawa]

Wellthats cuz most of us re complaing but not nearly as bad as you, yea some of us are upset there are no wings and that the Kirby costume isn't being used but you are a Golden Age Purist so when something isn't adapted exact you like you take it personal I get it.... but thing is the rest of us complain can compromise and also except change cuz well as you know this isn't the Golden Age anymore... things will change especially in Comic Book movies..... Honestly if you compare this costume to the Xmen Costumes we got the better end of the stick.

Also you keep saying the USO is basically gonna take a **** on Kirbys Legacy when JJ has distictively said that Steve doesn't hate the costume for its looks... he hates it for what it was being used for and the was for Show... he wants to go out and fight but instead he is stuck in that costume being used for USO shows ergo why he goes AWOL and changes the suit to be more combat ready.... but honestly I think that the USO suit gets damaged so he does the add on... but that's just my pure speculation.

I know the USO thing is really just meant as fan service, I just don't like the way it comes off. I'm probably taking it in too negative a light but considering all the disrespectful crap Marvel did to Jack I'm always paranoid towards his work and designs not being given their due.

Creators rights/proper compensation and their works being treated as art is a pet issue of mine and could easily cloud my judgments sometimes.

[louiebling$]

I know the USO thing is really just meant as fan service, I just don't like the way it comes off. I'm probably taking it in too negative a light but considering all the disrespectful crap Marvel did to Jack I'm always paranoid towards his work and designs not being given their due.

Creators rights/proper compensation and their works being treated as art is a pet issue of mine and could easily cloud my judgments sometimes.
I can understand you wanting the art to be respected because all of us are on this forum because we are fans of the Art of Comics and we are here to discuss our love for the art.... but also these movies aren't being made just for us.... its made for all audience including us.So Marvel has the tough tought task of trying to please us both.

Maybe you should try and take a step back and look at it through unfogged eyes... there are more positives in this than negatives.

[Son of Coul]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.
Totally solid idea.

[skiddyboy]

Not bad. This would be an acceptable compromise IMO.


Guys, has nobody else noticed that it looks like the hood/mask that covers his neck, looks like it follows the outline of the helmet...this could mean that there is a more traditional Cap mask/hood underneath the helmet, and the helmet is just protection....just an observation but this could please both camps (progressive fans and traditionalists)

[Superman-Prime]

Hey, this is my first time I post this thread. I'm definitely looking forward to watch Captain America next year. That got me so excited. :)

Anyway, I have a question; is this the real picture or fake?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2020/photoksq.jpg

[Kurosawa]

I can understand you wanting the art to be respected because all of us are on this forum because we are fans of the Art of Comics and we are here to discuss our love for the art.... but also these movies aren't being made just for us.... its made for all audience including us.So Marvel has the tough tought task of trying to please us both.

Maybe you should try and take a step back and look at it through unfogged eyes... there are more positives in this than negatives.

Maybe so, although I still think the costume needs some tweaking.

[BenB]

@ superman-prime - It's a manip

[BenB]

Found this while doing a bit of surfing this morning, not clear what the origin is but I thought it looked pretty cool and gives Cap a less "modern" look and what looks like a mask under the helmet, which I'm happy with.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3061/capam5largeuse.jpg

[Compi716]

I'd just like to bring something to everybody's attention.

We got our first real look at the Iron Man Mark VI at last year's Comic Con, and the artwork was very much in the same style as the Cap and Thor pictures. The images were obviously art, but it was assumed that what was shown was the final look.

WRONG.

We ended up getting a slightly different Mark VI, complete with silver biceps and knees and completely gold thighs. The original concept (which can be found on the 3 3/4 inch action figures), while similar, ended up NOT being what we finally saw on the screen.

So, for those complaining...just hold off a bit longer till we know for sure. Things could change. Granted, things could stay the exact same too, but who knows?

[Kurosawa]

I'd just like to bring something to everybody's attention.

We got our first real look at the Iron Man Mark VI at last year's Comic Con, and the artwork was very much in the same style as the Cap and Thor pictures. The images were obviously art, but it was assumed that what was shown was the final look.

WRONG.

We ended up getting a slightly different Mark VI, complete with silver biceps and knees and completely gold thighs. The original concept (which can be found on the 3 3/4 inch action figures), while similar, ended up NOT being what we finally saw on the screen.

So, for those complaining...just hold off a bit longer till we know for sure. Things could change. Granted, things could stay the exact same too, but who knows?

Yeah, hopefully they are looking at fan reaction and seeing what they should adjust.

[skiddyboy]

Hey, this is my first time I post this thread. I'm definitely looking forward to watch Captain America next year. That got me so excited. :)

Anyway, I have a question; is this the real picture or fake?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2020/photoksq.jpg


It's a fan manip, so it's fake I'm afraid.

[louiebling$]

Maybe so, although I still think the costume needs some tweaking.
O I completely agree
Hey, this is my first time I post this thread. I'm definitely looking forward to watch Captain America next year. That got me so excited. :)

Anyway, I have a question; is this the real picture or fake?

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/2020/photoksq.jpg

Actually a poster from this forum made that... it was made by DorkyFresh

[Kurosawa]

It's a fan manip, so it's fake I'm afraid.

It's similar to what they did, although actually it's much much better.

[Webhead2006]

for me i still think the overall designs are fine and it still envokes the look of captain america. Plus like its been pointed out this is only cg renders of the suit. So the real thing will probably look slightly different with real materials and on evan's body. Plus we have no clue if there will be any modifications made to the suit prior to filming or even during the course of the film itself.

Also to that manip with the close to head wings by duker. It looked pretty good. Nice style you choose there. Also the whole thing about the uso, i still doubt it will be pissing on kirby and all that. And cap hating suit, its like others have said probably steve wanting to fight and not being able to then what he is wearing. But we will see.

[Rage]

I'm still holding out hope that the final version of the costume looks a little more like they could create it during WWII. The piping and the textured fabric really says modern day and not state of the art 40s. I'm also kind of hoping that for the majority of the movie.... we get the Kirby suit until like the climax.... when they unveil the new suit...which he would use once before plunging into the North Atlantic :D

I kid. Honestly, the more I look at this art, the more I believe that it is meant for the Avengers and not for the Captain America movie.

[Webhead2006]

totally like what compi posted above this is only a concept artwork and we dont know how new or old it is, and how things could be or have changed for the real outfit. Plus we dont know how the real materials will look on screen or on evans. So hopefully if they havent locked on things fully yet their is still time for some modifications to be made or have already been made.

[ultimatefan]

Well, I´m tired of this argument and I don´t wanna get dragged into again, but remember two things: the Thor costume renderings that just got released actually look different from the first official pic of Hemsworth in the suit - notice the differences in the chest, how it looks more classic, less hi-tech - and there´s still almost a month before shooting starts, so this suit may not be 100% final, so we could be arguing this much for nothing.

Second, all modern superhero movies have their leather jackets/organic webs/perma-white kinda thing, it just something that goes when these characters are translated to a different media an different times. Even the Marvel movies have had a couple of those things ("CGI Hulk looks too cartoony! Why haven´t they used The Mandarin in Iron Man yet? Why can´t they do Demon In a Bottle?", and so on). The most important is to get a good movie that captures the essential ideas and feelings behind the character, and most fans end up getting used to those adaptations.

The Captain America from the 1990 movie had red gloves and boots and wings. Did it make it a good movie?

[Lobo]

Saw it a few days ago, I really like the look, but it does seem more Avengers than Cap 1st costume. It could be as ppl have said for when he is in modern times.

[the dmg]

i really like this design from wams
http://brohawk.deviantart.com/art/Marvel-Icon-Captain-America-56480187
give it a bit more obvious separation between the mask and the shirt and it's perfect.
i esspecially love the shape of the helmet (perfect shape imo) and the way it sits on top of and is held in place by the mask
Love it. You just mentioned something about the helmet that I don't like. I don't like that the helmet makes the mask. With the suit attempting to be practical, the helmet/mask combo isn't practical at all. Like you said, they should be separated.

[Webhead2006]

totally rage and ultimate fan for all we know there could be some minor changes/differences from the cg renders to the real deal and all that with filming not even started yet small changes could be made like painted wings for example or what not.

[roach]

June 6th, 1944 D-DAY: 150,000 Allied Expeditionary Force lands in Normandy, France...

[Dave40]

Yeah, hopefully they are looking at fan reaction and seeing what they should adjust.

I really hope you are right.What a terrible idea to make the gloves and boots brown instead of red :doh::wall::wall:.

[JeetKuneDo]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Not bad. As some others said, perhaps less "roundy".

i'd hardly consider Joe Johnston a hack. i haven't seen Wolfman (i've seen the reviews) but his previous films are solid, especially the underrated 'Hidalgo'. as for Farveau not being ashamed of Iron Man...it's easier to make a movie about a 'cool' character like Iron Man or Spider-Man than it is to make a movie about a character who wears the colors of the American flag for his outfit. Visually speaking from a character design standpoint: Metal & Webbing > American Flag

Decent point. The tone of the character probably has a lot to do with what will work onscreen. Maybe that's been my problem with Cap's costume over the years. I certainly don't mind bright colors...but they seem to clash with his personality.

All it needs is wings, ears, anything to make the head look better, brighter blue, red gloves and boots and a real red not a Superman Returns red. The rest I can deal with.

Not sure what "rest" you are talking about after that! :)

Sounds like you would change it to this:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj285/merman1967/Superheroes/CaptainAmerica2.jpg

[Kurosawa]

Not bad. As some others said, perhaps less "roundy".



Decent point. The tone of the character probably has a lot to do with what will work onscreen. Maybe that's been my problem with Cap's costume over the years. I certainly don't mind bright colors...but they seem to clash with his personality.



Not sure what "rest" you are talking about after that! :)

Sounds like you would change it to this:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj285/merman1967/Superheroes/CaptainAmerica2.jpg

Well, I could live with wings that are just painted on or slightly raised, I'm compromising on the padded armor, the harness, the straps instead of striped and the toned down gloves and boots provided they're red and not brown. So that's a lot actually. Just some adjustments to the mask/helmet and brighter colors and more red. What Rage did, which is still like 80% of the costume design.

Although I'll say if they wanted to lift the comics design and make it work...it could be done. Maybe not by these filmmakers, but if someone was talented enough and determined enough, it could be done. After Avatar I count nothing out.

This:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s232/tracygirl15/Marvel20-20Captain20America202.jpg

CAN work in live-action if there is a will and the talent to make it work.

[That person]

I found this in the manips thread. Definitely NOT mine:
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8958/cappastandpresentmovie.jpg
It could be an interesting look for the new film, although I'm not sure if they're going to alter it so drastically. It definitely feels more period appropriate, and the wings and third strap help a lot in establishing its "classic Cap" look.

[RogueDK]

Found this while doing a bit of surfing this morning, not clear what the origin is but I thought it looked pretty cool and gives Cap a less "modern" look and what looks like a mask under the helmet, which I'm happy with.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3061/capam5largeuse.jpg
:awesome::up:

[Kurosawa]

I found this in the manips thread. Definitely NOT mine:
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/8958/cappastandpresentmovie.jpg
It could be an interesting look for the new film, although I'm not sure if they're going to alter it so drastically. It definitely feels more period appropriate, and the wings and third strap help a lot in establishing its "classic Cap" look.

That's really close to what they did, but looks way more 1940's...except the skateboarder/sheetrock refinisher kneepads lol.

[Spider - Man]

so you peole who hate the suit would rather see...
http://figurerealm.com/Customs/10000/9571-4.jpg
with red boots and gloves and wings?


That is just...so wrong.

[That person]

That's really close to what they did, but looks way more 1940's...except the skateboarder/sheetrock refinisher kneepads lol.

It looks similar, but it would basically require the suit to be completely remade. I'm curious, Kuro, how would you react if that were in the film, compared to what we have from Marvel?

[S.H.I.E.L.D]

Nice find Ben, where did it come from? The texture takes the edge of the too modern looking original pic. I prefer the helmet which is slightly larger, has the wing, shows the ear and more importanly makes it look like Cap's actually wearing the traditional mask underneath. More pluses are the red stripe on the belly and the boot giving it a more traditional Cap look. I could live with this one rather then the "official" one's that surfaced.

Found this while doing a bit of surfing this morning, not clear what the origin is but I thought it looked pretty cool and gives Cap a less "modern" look and what looks like a mask under the helmet, which I'm happy with.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3061/capam5largeuse.jpg

[HUMANIMAL]

i realy gotta say this now...
im sorry.....
:make your own costume based on how your preferred character should look like and go to conventions.
they built a whole franchise for fictional characters and you think they disrespect em?
... they spend, and make a whole lot of money because of you and you are still not satisfied?
the bank always wins...
you will see the movies, if you like or not.
what?
....pants too busy...
suit too realistic,
....too .........whatever????
who cares,
the movie was entertaining and i think thats all we can expect after all....

[S.H.I.E.L.D]

Humanimal, was that directed at anyone in particular or people in general discussing what they like/dislike about the concept pictures?

[Rock Sexton]

.... This is a comment Joe Johnston made in reference to the "flag" suit

"It was never in the comics because they didn't really need it. In comics, he puts on the costume and the reader just justifies because of the nature of the medium."

"So he's up on stage doing songs and dances with chorus girls and he can't wait to get out and really fight. When he does go AWOL, he covers up the suit but then, after a few things happen, he realizes that this uniform allows him to lead. By then, he's become a star in the public mind and a symbol. The guys get behind him because he embodies something special.

"He realizes the value of the uniform symbols but he modifies his suit and adds some armor, it will be closer to the Cap costume in some of the comics in more recent years . . . this approach, it's the only way we could justify ever seeing him on a screen in tights, with the funny boots and everything. The government essentially puts him up there as a living comic-book character and he rips it off and then reclaims some of its imagery after he recognizes the value of it. We think it's the best way to keep the costume and explain it at the same time..."




He nails it perfectly IMO and I agree entirely.

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2010/06/sneak-peek-captain-america-and-thor.html

[uchiha_itachi]

I'm 100% down with that.

[louiebling$]

Edit

[louiebling$]

.... This is a comment Joe Johnston made in reference to the "flag" suit



He nails it perfectly IMO and I agree entirely.

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2010/06/sneak-peek-captain-america-and-thor.html
That is the Sole reason I'm likeing the Uso addition

[uchiha_itachi]

I'm 100% down with that.

[TheVileOne]

I didn't know a Fighting American movie was in the works:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11307/406354-21743-131166-1-agent-america_super.jpg

[Kurosawa]

It looks similar, but it would basically require the suit to be completely remade. I'm curious, Kuro, how would you react if that were in the film, compared to what we have from Marvel?

Same set of mixed feelings I already have.

And Johnston's comments and the whole USO idea really makes him come off like an arrogant snob. It's no wonder Alan Moore hates his comics being adapted when you see how filmmakers regard the medium.

[RogueDK]

Same set of mixed feelings I already have.

And Johnston's comments and the whole USO idea really makes him come off like an arrogant snob. It's no wonder Alan Moore hates his comics being adapted when you see how filmmakers regard the medium.
It also makes Johnston's comments a little hypocritical.

If memory serves me right, the same Johnston fought tooth and nail with Disney when they wanted to change The Rocketeer's look of the helmet. Either Disney wanted a different one or no helmet at all (I can't remember which one) but the director wasn't having it. Johnston won out because he wanted it to stay as faithfully to the comics as he could allow it and this little battle was just one of a list of other disagreements with the production.

Funny how time brings a change in some...

And no, this wasn't something I plucked off of the internet but in a movie mag waaay back that wrote an article on The Rocketeer prior to its theatrical release.

[JeetKuneDo]

Well, I could live with wings that are just painted on or slightly raised, I'm compromising on the padded armor, the harness, the straps instead of striped and the toned down gloves and boots provided they're red and not brown. So that's a lot actually. Just some adjustments to the mask/helmet and brighter colors and more red. What Rage did, which is still like 80% of the costume design.

Although I'll say if they wanted to lift the comics design and make it work...it could be done. Maybe not by these filmmakers, but if someone was talented enough and determined enough, it could be done. After Avatar I count nothing out.

This:

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s232/tracygirl15/Marvel20-20Captain20America202.jpg

CAN work in live-action if there is a will and the talent to make it work.

Is this you...posting and approving a pic of Cap with not only brown gloves...but also no blue?

Did you just accidentally make the case why the bright colors won't work onscreen? :cwink:

.... This is a comment Joe Johnston made in reference to the "flag" suit



He nails it perfectly IMO and I agree entirely.

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2010/06/sneak-peek-captain-america-and-thor.html

That's not bad at all.

[Kurosawa]

It also makes Johnston's comments a little hypocritical.

If memory serves me right, the same Johnston fought tooth and nail with Disney when they wanted to change The Rocketeer's look of the helmet. Either Disney wanted a different one or no helmet at all (I can't remember which one) but the director wasn't having it. Johnston won out because he wanted it to stay as faithfully to the comics as he could allow it and this little battle was just one of a list of other disagreements with the production.

Funny how time brings a change in some...

And no, this wasn't something I plucked off of the internet but in a movie mag waaay back that wrote an article on The Rocketeer prior to its theatrical release.

Yeah, it's like he sold out. It's probably some corporate decision.

Is this you...posting and approving a pic of Cap with not only brown gloves...but also no blue?

Did you just accidentally make the case why the bright colors won't work onscreen? :cwink:



That's not bad at all.

Not hardly, it's just dimly lit. It's blue and red. I just wanted to post a more serious modern picture of the classic costume since the poster I quoted used a crappy drawing of it to "make his point" that it couldn't work on screen.

[Dekard66]

file:///C:/Users/buddy1/Desktop/cap_art.jpg

[louiebling$]

file:///C:/Users/buddy1/Desktop/cap_art.jpg
If you gonna post a pic through your computer yous supposed to use the attachement feature or use a Image Hosting website like Photobucket or tinypic.com

[terry78]

Hell, Nolan gave us Scarecrow and Joker that were pretty much toned down from their comics versions, and that was welcomed. So long as Evans captures the tone, nothing else should even matter.

[Mercurius]

Hell, Nolan gave us Scarecrow and Joker that were pretty much toned down from their comics versions, and that was welcomed. So long as Evans captures the tone, nothing else should even matter.


Comparison doesn't hold: Batman has many years of a grittier version, that were emcompassed by Nolan's take.

Captain America, while having ocasionally some journey into the dark side, is pretty much a character conceived to be a decent, luminous, conscious and correct version of the so-called "American Dream".

He is Founding Fathers material, distilled to a superhero thing.

No comparison possible.

[Mr. Earle]

.... This is a comment Joe Johnston made in reference to the "flag" suit



He nails it perfectly IMO and I agree entirely.

http://www.sneakpeek.ca/2010/06/sneak-peek-captain-america-and-thor.html
I like the USO addition which imho adds some depth to his origin because he is a joke at first and he doesnt just jump into the middle of the action. I hope they give him some training btw, because if he just got the injection and then started doing the shows, i doubt that he could do any fighting.

Same set of mixed feelings I already have.

And Johnston's comments and the whole USO idea really makes him come off like an arrogant snob. It's no wonder Alan Moore hates his comics being adapted when you see how filmmakers regard the medium.Oh come on. Even if the suit was 99% like the comics you'd be angry at the producers for that 1%, calling them names, and claiming that they re ashamed of the medium and disrespecting the guy who came up with the character.

I believe that a live adaptation of the 616 suit could work and i am not very satisfied with what we're getting, but you gotta admit that the 616 suit is kinda cheesy. So i dont think they re being arrogant or ashamed, but rather they re doing some changes so that the audience wont find Cap silly.

Its the same reason they re sticking with more realistic stories and they dont start adapting time travel stories, multiple universes, etc. The general audience hasnt been exposed to all these comics and they have different standards than comic fans.

[Mercurius]

I like the USO addition which imho adds some depth to his origin because he is a joke at first and he doesnt just jump into the middle of the action. I hope they give him some training btw, because if he just got the injection and then started doing the shows, i doubt that he could do any fighting.

Oh come on. Even if the suit was 99% like the comics you'd be angry at the producers for that 1%, calling them names, and claiming that they re ashamed of the medium and disrespecting the guy who came up with the character.

I believe that a live adaptation of the 616 suit could work and i am not very satisfied with what we're getting, but you gotta admit that the 616 suit is kinda cheesy. So i dont think they re being arrogant or ashamed, but rather they re doing some changes so that the audience wont find Cap silly.

Its the same reason they re sticking with more realistic stories and they dont start adapting time travel stories, multiple universes, etc. The general audience hasnt been exposed to all these comics and they have different standards than comic fans.

I don't understand why many of you are so ready to jump on Kurosawa when he is clearly, in the worst scenario, just claiming a faithful translation.

He isn't asking, for what I've seen so far, 100% likeness. I remember him saying the design with the wings close to the helmet was good. Including all the changes.

[Kurosawa]

Yeah, as I've stated before, Rage's manip which is like 80% of the suit they designed is something I'm fine with...so no, I don't expect or demand 100% faithful or even close.

[Dekard66]

a photoshop manip I did the other day.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=foi076&s=6


http://forums.superherohype.com/http://i47.tinypic.com/foi076.jpg

[Aesop Rocks]

I like it. :up:

[Dekard66]

Thanks. I wanted to see what Cap would look like in his WW2 element, so I dirtied him up and replaced Tom Hanks with him! :)
I want to do a Avengers poster sometime with all the existing promo-shots of the characters floating around.

[Green Ghoul]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

I liked the preview pic of Cap (way more than Thor). I do agree with you though. They could have added the wings and kept it subtle. I like the visual you came up with.

[marcvader]

I don't get why they couldn't do something subtle. They don't necessarily have to be literal wings.

[Infinity9999x]

I had to go back a few pages to realize those designs weren't just good photoshops and actual designs.

Seeing them now, I'm kind of "meh" on it. They're not bad, and I'm not a purist, so the changes don't really bother me. What does bother me though, is that this suit looks like it belongs in the 21st century, not WWII. I was a big supporter of the Ultimate Cap suit, but that was because I liked the gritty design. This suit looks far too clean, too high tech. I wanted something with more grit.

[marcvader]

Well no one really knows for sure when or how this suit will be used or if it is the final product for sure. We know he cobbles a suit together after going awol and this doesn't look like something a soldier can make on the fly. So most of us think this is either a final suit possibly fabricated by the gov or SHIELD or it's what he will use in Avengers made by SHIELD or Stark industries.

[Infinity9999x]

Well no one really knows for sure when or how this suit will be used or if it is the final product for sure. We know he cobbles a suit together after going awol and this doesn't look like something a soldier can make on the fly. So most of us think this is either a final suit possibly fabricated by the gov or SHIELD or it's what he will use in Avengers made by SHIELD or Stark industries.

That makes more sense, because it definitely does not have a WWII vibe to it at all.

Even still, I'm not sure how much I like it. It has a very Ultimate feel to it, but I preferred the texture of the scale mail the Ultimate design had as opposed to the techy feeling these designs have.

I don't mind the look, but it's not amazing.

[Mr. Earle]

I don't understand why many of you are so ready to jump on Kurosawa when he is clearly, in the worst scenario, just claiming a faithful translation.

He isn't asking, for what I've seen so far, 100% likeness. I remember him saying the design with the wings close to the helmet was good. Including all the changes.Because he is overreacting. If the director changes anything, Kurosawa instantly screams "they are pissing on ____ (name of creator) grave!"

[lixdexia]

Because he is overreacting. If the director changes anything, Kurosawa instantly screams "they are pissing on ____ (name of creator) grave!"
irony.


brought to you by the hype:cwink:

[Kurosawa]

Because he is overreacting. If the director changes anything, Kurosawa instantly screams "they are pissing on ____ (name of creator) grave!"

Way to ignore that post I made where I said a version that was 80% of what they designed was acceptable to me.

[TheVileOne]

I like how no one reacted to the Fighting American/Liefeld picture ;) .

The costume does look very Liefeld-ish.

[Mr. Earle]

Way to ignore that post I made where I said a version that was 80% of what they designed was acceptable to me.My apologies! I like how no one reacted to the Fighting American/Liefeld picture ;) .

The costume does look very Liefeld-ish.
Indeed it does but the lack of 1000 pouches and muscles on the neck area tipped me off! :woot:

[Maximillian]

This suit looks far too clean, too high tech. I wanted something with more grit.
One thing you have to keep in mind is that this suit is a digital painting. It will be a lot grittier on screen.

[TheVileOne]

Eh we'll see. I'm not sure what to think of that costume yet.

Is that meant to be a modern costume or his main WWII costume post-USO tour?

Because I mean that photo looks way too modern and high tech to be around in WWII which should be more retro.

Also looks like they wanted it to look like the Nolan Batman costumes.

[Kurosawa]

I like how no one reacted to the Fighting American/Liefeld picture ;) .

The costume does look very Liefeld-ish.

I saw a cover he did recently that actually looked sorta professional.

My apologies!
Indeed it does but the lack of 1000 pouches and muscles on the neck area tipped me off! :woot:

Fair enough :yay:

[Infinity9999x]

One thing you have to keep in mind is that this suit is a digital painting. It will be a lot grittier on screen.

I'm keeping that in mind. But still, even in live action, imagining that with all the scuff, dirt, grime and battle wear, it just looks too modern. Now, I know that you could pretty easily argue that point. The whole "you can believe they make a super soldier serum and indestructible shield but not advanced battle gear?" kind of thing.

But to be honest, I was just hoping for a gritty WWII ultimate inspired look. And while this does look Ultimate inspired, it takes more from the modern ultimate Cap look, which is a design I'm not really for or against.

And I agree with Vile, it has a very TDK vibe coming from it. Again, another thing I'm not sure on. I'm more of a fan of the scale mail Cap. I don't hate it, but it's just a bit odd looking to me.

[TheVileOne]

I saw a cover he did recently that actually looked sorta professional.



Fair enough :yay:
It's not about professionalism. It's that the costume IMHO to me looks more like a Liefeld/Liefeld Fighting American drawing than a classic Cap costume/drawing.

Just think it's somewhat ironic and amusing.

[Kurosawa]

It's not about professionalism. It's that the costume IMHO to me looks more like a Liefeld/Liefeld Fighting American drawing than a classic Cap costume/drawing.

Just think it's somewhat ironic and amusing.

Well, considering Fighting American is a parody and many people feel Liefeld is also a parody....

[TheVileOne]

Fighting American was actually a serious character and he was created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby in the 50's.

[bunk]

I like how no one reacted to the Fighting American/Liefeld picture ;) .

The costume does look very Liefeld-ish.

I like how no one reacted to it as well. Maybe a useful comparison will get you more attention.

[TheVileOne]

It's a useful comparison, people just want to avoid speaking it and be in denial about it.

[lixdexia]

It's a useful comparison, people just want to avoid speaking it and be in denial about it.
no people don't talk about it because the only similarities are that they're both wearing utility belts and the color scheme.

[Rock Sexton]

It's not about professionalism. It's that the costume IMHO to me looks more like a Liefeld/Liefeld Fighting American drawing than a classic Cap costume/drawing.

Just think it's somewhat ironic and amusing.

It looks like Fighting American? Rigggggggggggght. :whatever: .... Try Ultimate Cap ....

http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/RPG_MB/Ultimate_Captain_America_by_Madurei.jpg?1275875615

[TheVileOne]

^Also looks like Liefeld's Fighting American.

[Saint]

I like how no one reacted to it as well. Maybe a useful comparison will get you more attention.

Yes, I also enjoyed how everyone ignored that completely ridiculous comparison.

[sabetoonth]

hardly if at all

[Saint]

Found this while doing a bit of surfing this morning, not clear what the origin is but I thought it looked pretty cool and gives Cap a less "modern" look and what looks like a mask under the helmet, which I'm happy with.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3061/capam5largeuse.jpg
This is pretty cool.

[TNC9852002]

I like it.

[TheVileOne]

Painted on wings and helmet = 1970's Captain America TV show.

[Kurosawa]

Fighting American was actually a serious character and he was created by Joe Simon and Jack Kirby in the 50's.

No, they wrote the first issue straight then when they realized how stupid the Red Scare was, they turned the character into a parody.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_American

Tales to Astonish by Ronin Ro also details the history of Fighting American's creation and history. Any Cap, Kirby or comics fan should read that and Kirby: King of Comics By Mark Evanier.

[Rock Sexton]

^Also looks like Liefeld's Fighting American.

No. Exaggeration can be fun .....

[TheVileOne]

It's not my fault they went the Liefeld route.

[Rock Sexton]

It's not my fault they went the Liefeld route.

Nah, it's your fault that you're making invalid, illegitimate comparisons out of your apparent deeply burning dislike for the outfit .... but hey, you're only human so I forgive you. :awesome:

[TheVileOne]

I also made the TDK comparison which you've also swept under the rug. All my comparisons are legitimate and valid.

[Infinity9999x]

I also made the TDK comparison which you've also swept under the rug. All my comparisons are legitimate and valid.

*raises hand* I acknowledged it. And I agreed.

[Sawyer]

Ahhh... gotta love attention-seekers.

[Infinity9999x]

Ahhh... gotta love attention-seekers.

Sorry, I just felt left out:csad:

[Sawyer]

Not you.

[marcvader]

Whats the point of the comparison other than showing us how much better the Cap design is than Liefeld Fighting American.

[Webhead2006]

well hopefully once we have a real photo of the costume we can see how it looks and fits into things and how it totally compares to the cg renders. Also how the heck is the cg render anything like that lifield guy's work. for me it looks to be a cross of 616 and ultimates with some differences.

[HUMANIMAL]

Humanimal, was that directed at anyone in particular or people in general discussing what they like/dislike about the concept pictures?

it was in general, i mean discussion is good but so much nitpicking at all these costume designs is really annoying sometimes...some like...others dont...thats fair enough

[Arbiter]

I love it

[Sharkboy]

I love it! Looks really really good, and im quite suprised i would like it this much, because i usually hate the captain america getup.

[ultimatefan]

I´ll admit some of the painted, more discrete wings look kinda nice, I prefer them to any standing out wings. But I don´t think their absence ruins the overall look in any significant way either.

[Chris Wallace]

@ ultimatefan: With regard to your sig, I have 3.1 kids, so I've clearly seen a naked woman and I still think the costume's atrocious.

[JAK®]

I agree with just about every poster here who thinks the suit looks better with red boots and gloves, if there were wings of some sort on the mask, if there were more stripes, etc.

Yet I don't care enough about those details to ignore the fact that what we do have is already pretty good. It works, and it could have been a LOT worse.

I like the costume, it isn't perfect, but I like it.

[roach]

I agree with just about every poster here who thinks the suit looks better with red boots and gloves, if there were wings of some sort on the mask, if there were more stripes, etc.

Yet I don't care enough about those details to ignore the fact that what we do have is already pretty good. It works, and it could have been a LOT worse.

I like the costume, it isn't perfect, but I like it.

I agree

[ultimatefan]

@ ultimatefan: With regard to your sig, I have 3.1 kids, so I've clearly seen a naked woman and I still think the costume's atrocious.

And yet you miss the difference between a serious statement and a joke.:oldrazz:

And having kids in this day and age doesn´t prove anyone has seen any naked bodies (this is also a joke).

[roach]

And yet you miss the difference between a serious statement and a joke.:oldrazz:

well to be fair there is nothing your sig to suggest its a joke

[ultimatefan]

well to be fair there is nothing your sig to suggest its a joke

The statement in itself is clearly so over-the-top it can only be a joke, unless there´s enough evidence to support its factual veracity.:oldrazz:

[Mr. Earle]

@ ultimatefan: With regard to your sig, I have 3.1 kids, so I've clearly seen a naked woman and I still think the costume's atrocious.
3.1 kids? How is that possible?

[Ryudoz]

@ ultimatefan: With regard to your sig, I have 3.1 kids, so I've clearly seen a naked woman and I still think the costume's atrocious.

Wait... you have 0.1 of a kid? Or do you have a 0.5 and a 0.6 plus 2? Bah.

I like the design they have. Sure it's not 100% comics accurate, but I can see Cap when I look at the design. I dig how they went with brown gloves/boots because I think red boots look a tad... off. Like Superman's boots in the movies, they never looked... right. I think it works though for Cap.

Only addition I would make would be stenciled on wings.

[roach]

3.1 kids? How is that possible?

maybe his girl is pregnant...or one of his kids is .1% more child than normal

[chromehorn]

I as superhero fan but not a comic book reader I think the costume is great. Looks similiar to the comic book but somewhat "real life."

[marcvader]

I think the vast majority are fine with the design but would have preferred some tweaking to it but you're always going to have a very vocal minority and that's to be expected. More annoying to me though are the people who complain about them complaining and generalize about the fanboy community.

[KangConquers]

I think the design looks great...Thor on the other hand...

[Sawyer]

I think Thor looks great... from the waist up.

[Rage]

I think Thor looks great from the waist down ;)

[roach]

Thor looks great from the hair up

[Webhead2006]

For me i still think its a fine design. Sure would have wanted either full ultimates ww2 suit or classic 616 yes. But the suit is still fine and has alot of the comic elements there and its own modifications to make it pop and all that. For me i really cant wait to we see the real thing with the real costume materials so to see how it looks on screen and on evans.

[Kurosawa]

@ ultimatefan: With regard to your sig, I have 3.1 kids, so I've clearly seen a naked woman and I still think the costume's atrocious.

You know only total losers dare question decisions made by the director of the epic Wolfman remake.:oldrazz:

[Droogoonie789]

@ ultimatefan: With regard to your sig, I have 3.1 kids, so I've clearly seen a naked woman and I still think the costume's atrocious.

:whatever: :doh:

[Infinity9999x]

I actually probably liked the Thor design more then this Cap one.

Really, for both of them, it's a bit unfair to judge. Thor is just a picture that isn't going to be edited and added SPX the costume will have in the movie. This concept of Cap is just a digital painting and not an actual costume.

Really, my main complaint with the thing is that it looks too modern. I'm a bit confused on the whole thing to be honest though. In the interview Cap was described as cobbling his costume together himself. This one is obviously not a home made outfit. And I'm a bit surprised that they would already be working on a modern day outfit (will the movie take place in the modern day at all?), and even if they were working on those designs, why we would see this design before the one that would be appearing in the movie first.

If it's Cap's modern day suit...it's all right. Has a bit of a TDK vibe, but it's not horrible. If it's the WWII suit, then I'm pretty unhappy. It looks far too modern.

[cerealkiller182]

An idea for the wings...

http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/4634/helmetwings.jpg

I don't think they should be sticking out too far like in the comics. A molded piece strategically placed would have the right effect, imo.

Perhaps this is too subtle for a lot of the pro-wingers but if the rest of the suit is the aesthetic they're going for, this might be the extent that we see the wings...

As for the reasoning, they could easily be explained as housing a communication device or some such tech.

Or perhaps, someone just puts them on:

CAP: What's with the wings?
TONY: They've got radio and other tech inside?
CAP: Don't they look a little silly?
TONY: It's alright...you're a superhero, now.

As has been said by a few people, though...I think the costume is close enough for most people that, along as they do well with the rest of the movie, the costume may end up being a footnote.

I like this

[roach]

Wow Dum Dum is gonna have the 'stache and Bowler hat

[Spider-Vader]

People wore that type of stuff back in the day, so it makes sense.

[The Infernal]

Can't wait for a pic of the actual costume. Or a trailer, though that's a bit off from now.

[Webhead2006]

yea thats another thing sure the concept work makes it look very modern looking. and once we see the real thing and real materials like take for example the gloves/belt/shoulder areas it should look a bit different and hopefully look more fitting for ww2.

[Superman]

I know someone probably already come up with this ideal but I thought I'd thow it out there to see what you thought.

I thought that a good alternative to wings on his head would be "Wings" made from stylized Captain's bars painted on the side. Something like this....

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3193/capam45.jpg

I know it's not a good manip but I'm no maniper so please bare with me.:yay:

I'm sure someone else could do a better job but you get the ideal.:o

[Chris Wallace]

You know only total losers dare question decisions made by the director of the epic Wolfman remake.:oldrazz:

Right. Perpetual virgins who live with their moms and probably look like Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons. No other type of demographic could possibly want Captain America to look like Captain America and not some brown-clad, pouch-laiden, "ultimized" grunt.

[Chris Wallace]

I know someone probably already come up with this ideal but I thought I'd thow it out there to see what you thought.

I thought that a good alternative to wings on his head would be "Wings" made from stylized Captain's bars painted on the side. Something like this....

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3193/capam45.jpg

I know it's not a good manip but I'm no maniper so please bare with me.:yay:

I'm sure someone else could do a better job but you get the ideal.:o

My problem with the captain's bars-in general-is that he's not a captain. We keep talking about wanting him to look like a realistic military soldier (:whatever:) and yet we're okay with the idea of him sporting the indicia of a rank that he hasn't earned. The military would slam you for that! He is a captain in name only.

[ultimatefan]

Of course not all dislikers of the suit fit in the comic book guy stereotype, but many of their arguments definitely sound as if written by such stereotype. One thing I learned from years here is that apparently well-adjusted employed/married citizens can be as petty and irrational on the Internet as the obvious freaks. Internet is the verbal road rage.

[JAK®]

The biggest problem with this suit is that it doesn't look like it was made in World War II. The design of the seams, the mesh on his shoulders and style of the buckles on his helmet all suggest 21st Century technology.

Now, over in the Thor forums there was a similar problem with the leaked art, in that Thor's costume looked too shiny and plastic. But someone who has seen the suit in real life has come forward and said that the art misrepresents the costume, and that is a lot more natural-looking in the film.

Hopefully the same applies to these pictures, and the costume looks more appropriate to the 1940's on screen.

[breyfogle_rules]

Howard Stark designed it, no?
Perhaps he was ahead of his time.

[Spider-Who?]

Howard Stark designed it, no?
Perhaps he was ahead of his time.

what do you think you're doing, bringing simple and reasonable ideas into this thread? And in a polite manner, no less. Who do you think you are?!

:awesome:

[Maximillian]

It's unbelievable that he won't even have painted wings on his helmet. In what way would that look bad? It's subtle enough.

[Chris Wallace]

The biggest problem with this suit is that it doesn't look like it was made in World War II. The design of the seams, the mesh on his shoulders and style of the buckles on his helmet all suggest 21st Century technology.

Now, over in the Thor forums there was a similar problem with the leaked art, in that Thor's costume looked too shiny and plastic. But someone who has seen the suit in real life has come forward and said that the art misrepresents the costume, and that is a lot more natural-looking in the film.

Hopefully the same applies to these pictures, and the costume looks more appropriate to the 1940's on screen.

Which is why I find it odd that supporters of the "ultimized" design are saying that a comic-accurate costume would be unrealistic for the time period, but the suit we're seeing isn't.
Oh, and I like Duker Jay's idea for the wings. Subtle but not disregarding the comics.

[roach]

what do you think you're doing, bringing simple and reasonable ideas into this thread? And in a polite manner, no less. Who do you think you are?!

:awesome:

conjecture is what it is...

[C. Lee]

Until actual pics of Evans in the actual costume appeare....all of this is conjecture.....

[roach]

Until actual pics of Evans in the actual costume appeare....all of this is conjecture.....

everything is conjecture...are we in...the Matrix...

[marcvader]

I'll take conjecture before jumping to conclusions any day.

[roach]

I'll take conjecture before jumping to conclusions any day.

isnt that the same thing:huh:

[The Infernal]

I know someone probably already come up with this ideal but I thought I'd thow it out there to see what you thought.

I thought that a good alternative to wings on his head would be "Wings" made from stylized Captain's bars painted on the side. Something like this....

I wouldn't want the bars. Looks to similar to S.S. insignias on... well S.S. nazis.

I can see how some people are annoyed that it isn't the most faithful to the original Cap, but at the same time I don't get why people start posting that no wings or no red boots and gloves are the lynch pin on what makes the character fail or not.

There are plenty of things about the design to argue about as it obviously isn't a cut and paste of the mainstream Cap, but in my opinion it does try to stay true to that. Though I will admit that they could easily have some understated wings on the helmet (it wouldn't hurt anything), but it's not a complete loss if the film and character are portrayed well.

everything is conjecture...are we in...the Matrix...

Red pill, Blue pill time dude. Be sure not to mix those though. That can mess you up.

[roach]

I took both pills and I am FREAKIN OUT!!!!!!!!