Captain America's Costume

[Chris Wallace]

ANybody got some good pics of Cap with his shield strapped to his back?

[Aesop Rocks]

This is how I want the Captain America costume to look like:

http://i47.tinypic.com/9gy2v9.jpg

[RogueDK]

^^^:awesome:

[Chris Wallace]

This is how I want the Captain America costume to look like:

http://i47.tinypic.com/9gy2v9.jpg

That's what I'm pushing for as well. Some characters you can compromise, some you can't. Cap is one that you simply can't, IMO.

[JackIvyGB]

Just found this on DA. I like how the mask is drawn. Looks like some sort of form fitting under-hood pulled onto the head, with a more rigid helmet/mask over top. I like that the wings are rigid and stylized, as opposed to little cartoony add-ons as they look most of the time in comics. I think if they have wings on the movie costume, rigid and stylized, very sleek is the only way to go with the wings. This is honestly the only time I've thought they looked good.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/JackIvyGB/cap.jpg

I like the idea of the suit looking like it has some protective qualities and isn't merely a costume, but I think it may be a bit to much here. It's given me some ideas though. I'll try and draw up some ideas.

[Young Superman]

WWII:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/93911-8215-captain-america_super.jpg


Modern Day:

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/93912-27226-captain-america_super.jpg

[Triad]

^ Gotta have the wings tho, IMHO. (BTW, what's that on his shoulders supposed to be?)

[JackIvyGB]

That's was early design work for his suit in Ultimates 1. The suit remained the same itself in the book, but some details changed. That symbol was replaced by stars in the final material. Don't know what those could have meant.

[Webhead2006]

jacky that other image posted was posted here not to long ago if i recall.

[That person]

Just found this on DA. I like how the mask is drawn. Looks like some sort of form fitting under-hood pulled onto the head, with a more rigid helmet/mask over top. I like that the wings are rigid and stylized, as opposed to little cartoony add-ons as they look most of the time in comics. I think if they have wings on the movie costume, rigid and stylized, very sleek is the only way to go with the wings. This is honestly the only time I've thought they looked good.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/JackIvyGB/cap.jpg

:up: I could definitely live with this, sans shield damage.
EDIT: I went to the DeviantArt profile, and the artist said that Marvel consulted him for the movie, and this was an actual piece of concept art he pitched. I'm not sure I believe him, but that does raise my hopes somewhat.

[captainrogers]

That's was early design work for his suit in Ultimates 1. The suit remained the same itself in the book, but some details changed. That symbol was replaced by stars in the final material. Don't know what those could have meant.

I believe they were meant to be stylized captain's bars (rank ensignia). For a while I toyed with the idea of replacing the A on his forehead with one of those. (as they are sorta similar in shape)

[Young Superman]

This is how I want the Captain America costume to look like:

http://i47.tinypic.com/9gy2v9.jpg
This is really cool and I'd love to see something like as the move suit?

[Aesop Rocks]

Just found this on DA. I like how the mask is drawn. Looks like some sort of form fitting under-hood pulled onto the head, with a more rigid helmet/mask over top. I like that the wings are rigid and stylized, as opposed to little cartoony add-ons as they look most of the time in comics. I think if they have wings on the movie costume, rigid and stylized, very sleek is the only way to go with the wings. This is honestly the only time I've thought they looked good.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq320/JackIvyGB/cap.jpg

I like the idea of the suit looking like it has some protective qualities and isn't merely a costume, but I think it may be a bit to much here. It's given me some ideas though. I'll try and draw up some ideas.


While I love this, I've always disliked a ruined shield.

[That person]

Agreed.

[Rage]

I'm not a fan of the padded looking chest protection...looks like hockey equipment.

[Brian Braddock]

It's a nice design, certainly, but I feel the style of it is too modern. It looks like modern day protection applied to a costume that should, at least, look like it's from the 1940's era.

I wont bother talking about the damaged shield.

[Aesop Rocks]

"I don't wear Hockey pads". :hehe:

Anyways, maybe if the padding wasn't so noticeably sticking out, say maybe he's wearing a special bullet proof vest (which he should be) that protects his back, front, and sides, I'd be fine with it. For a man that's the "super solider", he still needs protection, more than a shield. IMO. Other than that, I love the design, minus the shield.\

EDIT: This could be his Avengers Costume.

[Webhead2006]

well yea that artwork is good for a modern setting cap, though like some folks brought up before i could see them in present time using something like that dragon armor stuff. As for WW2 i dont really know, i dont think they will make cap outfit not to advance looking.

[Chris Wallace]

"I don't wear Hockey pads". :hehe:



I knew somebody was gonna say it.

[jab1118]

well yea that artwork is good for a modern setting cap, though like some folks brought up before i could see them in present time using something like that dragon armor stuff. As for WW2 i dont really know, i dont think they will make cap outfit to advance looking.

While I could see them go either way on an advanced looking suit in ww2. I dont see why it cant be, why does it have to fit the times? Its a superhero movie we are already expected to accept a super enhanced human with an indestructable shield that abbsorbs all shock, and a villain that in one form or another will have a red skull for a head. Then he will be frozen and thawed 75 years later and is good as new. Is some sort of anvanced uniform that they can only afford to give to Cap that far fetched?

[Rich Santoro]

The premise behind the shield and Cap's abilities are what makes the character special. There will be explanations and psuedo-tech / pseudo-science behind it. Having a suit that would be out of place with the "times" with no apparent reason, would actually be distracting for me. If they want to spend some time saying how and why the suit design is what it is, then I can smoothly buy-in.

Don't just have things that are out of the norm (like the SSS, and a Red Skull) appear with no hook to how they came about).

[Hyperstorm]

I want something like this:

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3866/siegeevent2009121805494.jpg

[Aesop Rocks]

:wow: so do I! :up:

[Steve Holt]

how did he get his hand through that wrist holder on the shield lol?

[That person]

I have yet to see a picture with scales that makes me think "Wow; that'd work well in a movie." A flak jacket might be nice, as somebody suggested a long while back (First or second page I believe.)

[jab1118]

The premise behind the shield and Cap's abilities are what makes the character special. There will be explanations and psuedo-tech / pseudo-science behind it. Having a suit that would be out of place with the "times" with no apparent reason, would actually be distracting for me. If they want to spend some time saying how and why the suit design is what it is, then I can smoothly buy-in.

Don't just have things that are out of the norm (like the SSS, and a Red Skull) appear with no hook to how they came about).

I completly agree. The best example being batman begins there are plenty of stuff in that movie that un realistic but a couple of quick explanations and boom we are all completly buying in. My main point was that there is no reason that his suit has to be made of materials and technology that were available in the 40s

[Chris Wallace]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we talking about a guy who, after being injected with a serum that instantly transformed him into the pinnacle of physical perfection, started carrying a completely round shield (made from TWO nonexistent metals) that's capable of curving back when he throws it? I think we can stretch the boundaries of costume construction. After all, nobody said much of anything about a teenage kid with no money being able to cobble THIS together.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh21/spidermichaelman/spider-man-1.jpg

[roach]

Exactly.

[Rich Santoro]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we talking about a guy who, after being injected with a serum that instantly transformed him into the pinnacle of physical perfection, started carrying a completely round shield (made from TWO nonexistent metals) that's capable of curving back when he throws it? I think we can stretch the boundaries of costume construction. After all, nobody said much of anything about a teenage kid with no money being able to cobble THIS together.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh21/spidermichaelman/spider-man-1.jpg

My point is, just as there will be some lip service to the pseudo-tech-science aspects behind the things you listed (SSS, made up alloys, etc)... it would be distracting to not take the same care to explain (perhaps through dialogue or some other manner) as to why the uniform would be uncharacteristic. Why does it look the way it does??? What is the meaning??? What does it do???

If they provide that, I can buy-in to most designs (I just hope that it is a good one). Maybe you weren't implying that some explanation should be absent, but I really loathe the notion often shared on this board that "Hey... it is comic books, so they can do whatever they want. There is already so much far flung fantasy going on, that we don't need to sweat the details."

I disagree with that notion... Even if it is the obvious Batman type of scene (like Jab said) that would be cool.

Personally, I prefer the Ultimate WWII uniform... then something more classic for any modern scenes, sequels and the Avengers. I would also like some Movie embellishment to make the suit made out of special material resistant to damage, with re-enforced joints to prevent injury, bullet resistant dragon-skin'esque torso piece, and an equipment belt (for very basic stuff like communicator, binoculars, some fancy sensors for landscape analysis toward strategy, first aid, etc).

[Webhead2006]

i totally agree there with you man, if they have a logical reason/story for x look/x materials i am down for them doing classic/modern suit for ww2 era rogers. But i said it before i could see them going with ultimates ww2 design with maybe a few little alterations and leave the classic suit for present times, where they can say its some fancy new materials/tech built by shield and/or stark for cap to use.

[Chris Wallace]

I'd also like to add that Cap is a symbol. Meaning that he can't look like he's ashamed or embarrassed to display the colors. He's supposed to be the poster boy for patriotism. His costume is meant to be seen.

[Rich Santoro]

i totally agree there with you man, if they have a logical reason/story for x look/x materials i am down for them doing classic/modern suit for ww2 era rogers. But i said it before i could see them going with ultimates ww2 design with maybe a few little alterations and leave the classic suit for present times, where they can say its some fancy new materials/tech built by shield and/or stark for cap to use.

:up::up::up: Yes, yes and yes...

[Rich Santoro]

I'd also like to add that Cap is a symbol. Meaning that he can't look like he's ashamed or embarrassed to display the colors. He's supposed to be the poster boy for patriotism. His costume is meant to be seen.

Agreed... I would say that the Ultimate WWII costume is that (blue fatiques, red gloves and boots, star on his breast, A on the head, a stars and stripes shield). Maybe not as much as the classic WWII look, which I would be OK with (noting the caveats that I mentioned)... but the Ultimate WWII uniform just works better for me.

[jab1118]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't we talking about a guy who, after being injected with a serum that instantly transformed him into the pinnacle of physical perfection, started carrying a completely round shield (made from TWO nonexistent metals) that's capable of curving back when he throws it? I think we can stretch the boundaries of costume construction. After all, nobody said much of anything about a teenage kid with no money being able to cobble THIS together.
http://i252.photobucket.com/albums/hh21/spidermichaelman/spider-man-1.jpg

This is exactly what I have been trying to say for a while. There have been conversations on here before where people were saying it had to be made out of materials available in the 40's because otherwise it wouldnt make sense. And I never got that. If you prefer the ultimate ww2 costume thats one thing, but to say it has to be that way because thats what would have been available to him is silly.

I'd also like to add that Cap is a symbol. Meaning that he can't look like he's ashamed or embarrassed to display the colors. He's supposed to be the poster boy for patriotism. His costume is meant to be seen.

I agree but at the same time he needs to look cool. So I dont think the colors should be real bright. I think the material they use will go a long way to help this out. I think the same red and blue tones from the spiderman pic u posted would work well. Mostly the blue take it straight from the flag. People always say red white and blue but when you look at a flag its actually red white and a pretty dark blue

[Timstuff]

IMO cap's WW2 costume should take the same approach as the Minutemen from the Watchmen movie, with his classic 616 uniform. Very direct, and using period-appropriate materials.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8222/minutemen806x453.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/minutemen806x453.jpg/)

Then of course, when in the field he'd have his more durable and functional battle fatigues.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2859/32739307.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/i/32739307.jpg/)

So that leaves us with the question of what he'd wear during modern times? Maybe something in between the Ultimate 616 versions with a bit of something new tossed in, but the question of what exactly the right balance would be is the tricky part. Basically, I want a modernized approach to the 616 uniform. It should still be recognizable, but with a more technologically sophisticated look.

[TheWatcher]

A Break down of my perfect Captain America Suit!
-His WW2 costume should be the Captain America Reborn WW2 one(No Changes)
-The Modern should be a mix between Modern 616/Modern Reborn/Ultimate
-Either Metal/Printed Wings,No Feathers
-Boots-Laced up or WW2 Reborn
-Gloves-Ultimate
-A flexable Scale like Chain-Mail,Like MUA2
-Kevlar padding under the Chain-Mail,But not busy like the TDK suit
-No underwear on top
-Gray Kevlar in the arm pit area
-Neck Separation from the "Scales"
-The Round shield in The Final battle scene(WW2) and everything that comes after that
-The Triangular one before then
-Head gear-WW2-Helmet/Modern-Mask(Kevlar padding)
Thoughts?

[TheWatcher]

A Break down of my perfect Captain America Suit!
-His WW2 costume should be the Captain America Reborn WW2 one(No Changes)
-The Modern should be a mix between Modern 616/Modern Reborn/Ultimate
-Either Metal/Printed Wings,No Feathers
-Boots-Laced up or WW2 Reborn
-Gloves-Ultimate
-A flexable Scale like Chain-Mail,Like MUA2
-Kevlar padding under the Chain-Mail,But not busy like the TDK suit
-No underwear on top
-Gray Kevlar in the arm pit area
-Neck Separation from the "Scales"
-The Round shield in The Final battle scene(WW2) and everything that comes after that
-The Triangular one before then
-Head gear-WW2-Helmet/Modern-Mask(Kevlar padding)
Thoughts?

[Young Superman]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2859/32739307.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/i/32739307.jpg/)
I'd like to see something like this as Captain America's Costume in The First Avenger: Captain America.:cap:

[jab1118]

IMO cap's WW2 costume should take the same approach as the Minutemen from the Watchmen movie, with his classic 616 uniform. Very direct, and using period-appropriate materials.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8222/minutemen806x453.jpg (http://img196.imageshack.us/i/minutemen806x453.jpg/)

Then of course, when in the field he'd have his more durable and functional battle fatigues.

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2859/32739307.jpg (http://img299.imageshack.us/i/32739307.jpg/)

So that leaves us with the question of what he'd wear during modern times? Maybe something in between the Ultimate 616 versions with a bit of something new tossed in, but the question of what exactly the right balance would be is the tricky part. Basically, I want a modernized approach to the 616 uniform. It should still be recognizable, but with a more technologically sophisticated look.

Thay should definently take the same aproach as the minutemen....... Unless they want the movie to succeed. As for the other pic a regular soldiers outfit but blue just doesnt do it for me. I guess I could see it working but to me its just so blah

[Rich Santoro]

That second Pic with the blue fatigues is it. That is exactly what I want to see in the WWII scenes. More red on the spats, but that is the look.

[That person]

After all, nobody said much of anything about a teenage kid with no money being able to cobble THIS together.
Weird Al did.

[Timstuff]

Well, if Peter Parker is a shut-in geek with lots of patience, saved up allowance/birthday money, and determination, it's not too hard to believe he'd put together something professional looking--

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/576/spiderman1e.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/spiderman1e.jpg/)

Of more concern would be his web shooters, which by no stretch of the imagination would a teenage boy would be able to fund and invent on his own. And even if he was that smart, why didn't he ever invent anything else? :p

Anyway, Cap's 616 costume should only appear during WW2 for propaganda, and as such I think it would be easy to get away with it having some Minutemen style cheesiness to it. His primary suit in the movie would be his WW2 battle fatigues with the 616 suit making cameos throughout, with his modern-day 616/Ultimate/Reborn hybrid uniform appearing after he's thawed out.

[Webhead2006]

well he did also invent spider tracers, different types of webfluids, and other things from time to time.

[roach]

why stop at dress uniform and battlefield uniform...lets give him jungle fatigues, arctic fatigues, urban warfare fatigues, desert warfare fatigues, frogman fatigues, a pilots suit, airborne fatigues, office uniform, summer dress uniform, winter dress uniform.....

[chris moore]

Roach has nailed it. Cap should wear one uniform per time period (as it were) in all situations that a normal soldier would wear their battlefield uniform. Any other uniform would be a standard Captains dress uniform. Until modern times of course, where by which time we'd be in the "Age of Superheroes", and his costume would be considered his uniform for all occasions, including briefings, meetings with the president, public appearances, training sessions, special ops etc.

[BoredGuy]

^ I think Roach was being snarky :whatever:

[Chris Wallace]

Well, if Peter Parker is a shut-in geek with lots of patience, saved up allowance/birthday money, and determination, it's not too hard to believe he'd put together something professional looking--

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/576/spiderman1e.jpg (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/spiderman1e.jpg/)

Of more concern would be his web shooters, which by no stretch of the imagination would a teenage boy would be able to fund and invent on his own. And even if he was that smart, why didn't he ever invent anything else? :p


Um, make up your mind. ^That costume & web-shooters d on to coexist in the same continuity.

[Young Superman]

This is the uniform I want Captain America to wear during WWII.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2622/4029562695_932292fb80.jpg

[roach]

^ I think Roach was being snarky :whatever:

I tend to be snarky but my snarky remarks tend to have points.

[Gamma Goliath]

This is the uniform I want Captain America to wear during WWII.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2622/4029562695_932292fb80.jpg
this is good for his primary costume, but i still like the ultimate war fatigues for on field combat.

[Rage]

I don't mind the above costume...except for the painted on wings on the helmet... just have metal wings that come off of the helmet.... or go with the ultimate WWII look.

[Kurosawa]

I want classic, real Cap, not Ultimates junk.

[Webhead2006]

well i still dont see anything really wrong with the ultimates ww2 look, with maybe just a few modifications done to it. Then the classic suit used for avengers. So sorta like military wear in a "superhero motif" for the 40s. Then classic/modern suit in present day and it could be designed from stark/shield with special fabrics/fibers and all that.

[Rich Santoro]

I loathe the Reborn costume... It tries to be both a Superhero costume and a military uniform. I would rather dispense with the schizophrenia and have two distinct costumes / uniforms.

WWII military... modern superhero.

[chris moore]

^ I think Roach was being snarky :whatever:

I meant Roach had nailed it by addressing the absurdity of multiple uniforms.

[roach]

Man 1:"Look its Captain America!!!"
Man 2:"Are you sure, thats not what the recruitment poster looked like."
Man 3:"I saw footage from the war in Europe and thats not what he had on."
Man 1:"Is that Cap over there?"
Man 3:"No thats a regular soldier."
Man 2:"Look that has to be Cap"
Man 3:"No thats a police officer."
Man 1:"Maybe the govenment came up with a costume full of space age technology that you dont know what he looks like."
Man 3:"How is he supposed to rally our boys if you cant see him?"

[Infinity9999x]

well i still dont see anything really wrong with the ultimates ww2 look, with maybe just a few modifications done to it. Then the classic suit used for avengers. So sorta like military wear in a "superhero motif" for the 40s. Then classic/modern suit in present day and it could be designed from stark/shield with special fabrics/fibers and all that.

I agree. I just like the look of the WWII Ultimates costume. And then for present day, we get the classic Cap look. That way we get both costumes.

[Chris Wallace]

We seem to be wanting to downplay the superhero aspect of Cap & emphasize the military aspect. Why? That was never his depiction until this "Ultimate" nonsense came about. Cap is more than just some decorated grunt. He's not Sergeant America, he's not the Star-Spangled Commando, he's Captain America. The sentinel of liberty, the living symbol of patriotism. He may fight alongside your run-of-the-mill grunts but he is not one of them. Nor should he be viewed as one.

[Webhead2006]

well i still think u can get that with the ultimates ww2 suit. Then we get more superheroy like in present day with shield/avengers.

[Kurosawa]

Man 1:"Look its Captain America!!!"
Man 2:"Are you sure, thats not what the recruitment poster looked like."
Man 3:"I saw footage from the war in Europe and thats not what he had on."
Man 1:"Is that Cap over there?"
Man 3:"No thats a regular soldier."
Man 2:"Look that has to be Cap"
Man 3:"No thats a police officer."
Man 1:"Maybe the govenment came up with a costume full of space age technology that you dont know what he looks like."
Man 3:"How is he supposed to rally our boys if you cant see him?"

Exactly. Cap needs to look like Cap. To hell with realism, the very idea of realism in a superhero movie or comic is absurd and insulting.

[Chris Wallace]

Exactly. Cap needs to look like Cap. To hell with realism, the very idea of realism in a superhero movie or comic is absurd and insulting.

I won't go that far-only to say that it can be a travesty if overdone.
Here's a question: Why are cap & Thor the only characters that I ever hear fanboys clamoring to see in their "Ultimate" costumes, while the general consensus is that everyone else should look as traditional as possible?

[Young Superman]

I'd be ok with Cap's classic 616 uniform, if they can make the wings work.

[jab1118]

I won't go that far-only to say that it can be a travesty if overdone.
Here's a question: Why are cap & Thor the only characters that I ever hear fanboys clamoring to see in their "Ultimate" costumes, while the general consensus is that everyone else should look as traditional as possible?

To me its because I think its more important that they look cool then exactly like they do in the comics. And those two characters in particular if translated straight off the page in there original costumes could look very silly. Tweaks need to be made things need to be different materials maybe some kind of subtle pattern just like what was done in spiderman. They made his eyes reflective the colors darker the webbing is like a patten laether there is a pattern in the material, all slight tweaks to make him look cooler. And in my opinion thats what the ultimate universe has tried to do with these characters. Now I wouldnt want a straight translation of them either but I think in Caps case the modern ultimate is closer to being what we need then classic. Maybe lose the stars on shoulders add in some kind of painted wings. In Thors case I really dont like his Ultimate costume something more like his current 616 would be better but I can see where people are coming from

[Webhead2006]

for me i said before i would love to see but the classic/modern cap and the ww2 ultimates look used. I think it could work out well for the character's look to be done that way. As for thor i have no real hate to ultimate thor only read a few things from ultimate line where he was in. But from what it seems to be going for the film they will go for a more classic/modern thor and not touch ultimate thor look.

[Infinity9999x]

We seem to be wanting to downplay the superhero aspect of Cap & emphasize the military aspect. Why? That was never his depiction until this "Ultimate" nonsense came about. Cap is more than just some decorated grunt. He's not Sergeant America, he's not the Star-Spangled Commando, he's Captain America. The sentinel of liberty, the living symbol of patriotism. He may fight alongside your run-of-the-mill grunts but he is not one of them. Nor should he be viewed as one.

I don't really want to emphasize anything. What it really comes down to is that visually, I just like the look of the Ultimate costume. I think it's visually interesting. And to be honest, as a kid I was never that into Cap's classic look.

But since we know we're going to get the classic Cap look, I don't see what would be wrong about having the WWII outifit in the first movie.

[Triad]

I don't really want to emphasize anything. What it really comes down to is that visually, I just like the look of the Ultimate costume. I think it's visually interesting. And to be honest, as a kid I was never that into Cap's classic look.

But since we know we're going to get the classic Cap look, I don't see what would be wrong about having the WWII outifit in the first movie.
:up:

[Rich Santoro]

:up::up:

[roach]

To me its because I think its more important that they look cool then exactly like they do in the comics. And those two characters in particular if translated straight off the page in there original costumes could look very silly. Tweaks need to be made things need to be different materials maybe some kind of subtle pattern just like what was done in spiderman. They made his eyes reflective the colors darker the webbing is like a patten laether there is a pattern in the material, all slight tweaks to make him look cooler. And in my opinion thats what the ultimate universe has tried to do with these characters. Now I wouldnt want a straight translation of them either but I think in Caps case the modern ultimate is closer to being what we need then classic. Maybe lose the stars on shoulders add in some kind of painted wings. In Thors case I really dont like his Ultimate costume something more like his current 616 would be better but I can see where people are coming from

there is a difference between tweeking a costume and changing it. yes the tweeks to the Spiderman costume are there but its still recognizable as Spiderman.

[Brian Braddock]

I'd be ok with Cap's classic 616 uniform, if they can make the wings work.

Not literally I take it. :hehe:

Imagine that.................

[Rich Santoro]

Not literally I take it. :hehe:

Imagine that.................

LOL... that would be absurdly fun to see (not in the actual film, but in a homemade video or something)

[Antonello Blueberry]

there is a difference between tweeking a costume and changing it. yes the tweeks to the Spiderman costume are there but its still recognizable as Spiderman.
Was Batman not recognizable in his movies? The costumes where different from the comic-book one(s).

[Aesop Rocks]

He wore black and had a cape. Pretty much did it enough for me.

[roach]

Was Batman not recognizable in his movies? The costumes where different from the comic-book one(s).

We've had six films in which Batman wore a black rubber costume...and while it still wasnt the comic costume it still was recognizable as Batman

[Triad]

Do you honestly think that anyone would not recognize a character built like a brick *****house, dressed in red, white, & blue with a large "A" on his forehead as Captain America? Even the average non-comicbook fan could make that deduction, I would think.

[captainrogers]

Do you honestly think that anyone would not recognize a character built like a brick *****house, dressed in red, white, & blue with a large "A" on his forehead as Captain America? Even the average non-comicbook fan could make that deduction, I would think.

Very eloquently put. I approve. :woot:

[Chris Wallace]

To me its because I think its more important that they look cool then exactly like they do in the comics. And those two characters in particular if translated straight off the page in there original costumes could look very silly. Tweaks need to be made things need to be different materials maybe some kind of subtle pattern just like what was done in spiderman. They made his eyes reflective the colors darker the webbing is like a patten laether there is a pattern in the material, all slight tweaks to make him look cooler. And in my opinion thats what the ultimate universe has tried to do with these characters. Now I wouldnt want a straight translation of them either but I think in Caps case the modern ultimate is closer to being what we need then classic. Maybe lose the stars on shoulders add in some kind of painted wings. In Thors case I really dont like his Ultimate costume something more like his current 616 would be better but I can see where people are coming from
Tweaking & overhauling are two different things. This
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/darth_sparrow/Movies/Spiderman/spider-man_floodlights.jpg
still looks very much like this.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/mandyherself/D1219Marvel-Spider-Man-Posters.jpg
It's just a few modifications.
Whereas this
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k149/Marvel1_2006/ult_cap.jpg
in terms of construction & design, is a radical departure from this
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f304/STABaller/Captain_America.jpg
and in my opinion, misses the point completely. And this
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa6/witchbrow/Superheros/ultimate_thor.jpg
is even further removed from and sullies the name of this.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x18/rikerdonegal/Marvel%20Comics/Thor.jpg
To me, the Ultimate look doesn't convey Cap's ideals, his nobility-it just looks like a soldier in fancy gear, designed to appeal to post-9/11 sensibilities & the leather craze brought on by the X-Men movies.

[jpmuftak]

I bet if you stand a few feet away from your computer you couldn't tell the difference between the Caps.
It just isn't that big of a difference, yet would buy a lot of credibility in the eyes of Non-Fanboys.

[Rich Santoro]

Yeah... while I prefer the Classic costume for Cap, the Ultimate costume is not that far removed. Not as close as the movie spidey to the books, but not anywhere near the Thor travesty.

But as for the classic Cap costume... the black leather belt has got to go.

[Turtles]

Oops, you forgot Men 4, 5, and 6.

Man 1:"Look its Captain America!!!"
Man 4: Hey, it's Cap! :awesome:
Man 5: Look at him throw that Nazi like a rag doll! :awesome:
Man 6: That super soldier serum sure is something. :awesome:
Man 2:"Are you sure, thats not what the recruitment poster looked like."
Man 3:"I saw footage from the war in Europe and thats not what he had on."
Man 4: Idiots! Did you actually believe he'd wear that crazy get-up from the news reels into battle?! :doh:
Man 5: That's totally impractical!
Man 6: Yeah, sending Cap into battle in that propaganda outfit of his is like sending your tanks into battle with no roof because you think they'd look more impressive as convertibles! That's totally disregarding the safety of the men in favor of making something look cooler!
Man 1:"Is that Cap over there?"
Man 3:"No thats a regular soldier."
Man 2:"Look that has to be Cap"
Man 4: He's wearing red, white, and blue, a helmet with a giant letter "A" on it, and carrying around a big ass shield......who else could he be?
Man 5: Are these guys colorblind or just dumb? :huh:
Man 6: Apparently nothing short of a name tag will help these idiots recognize him. :hehe:
Man 3:"No thats a police officer."
Man 4: Yeah, that big "A" on his head must stand for Arresting Officer. :whatever:
Man 1:"Maybe the govenment came up with a costume full of space age technology that you dont know what he looks like."
Man 5: No, somebody just informed Cap that seventeenth century footwear went out of style a long time ago so he ditched the boots for something more modern.
Man 6: Since when has sewing a white star and red and white stripes onto a blue version of our own military uniform constituted space age anything?
Man 3:"How is he supposed to rally our boys if you cant see him?"
Man 4: He's wearing red, white, and blue and charging into battle with nothing but a giant shield for god's sake! What more does he need to do to rally you idiots?! :cmad:
Man 5: Wear spandex, pirate boots, and dorky head-wings? :dry:
Man 6: No Way! Captain America is a guy that cares more about winning this war than looking pretty for the cameras! He's not like the CO's that sit back and shine their boots and iron their uniforms so they can look so much better than us grunts who're wearing tattered, bloody uniforms that haven't been cleaned in weeks.
Man 4: Yeah, he's just like us! He's not a guy in a fancy costume, he's a soldier, and soldiers don't dress like actors on a movie set!
Man 5: It's sad that they think he needs a costume. I'd rally behind any guy who did HALF the things Captain America did even if he was wearing the same thing as me.
Man 6: Yeah, it's the deeds, not the costume that makes the man a hero.



It's pretty sad to realize that some people think Cap's costume can't be changed just because the only things about him that are recognizable are the head wings, red pirate boots, scale mail, and spandex. I guess a red, white, and blue color scheme just isn't American enough for some people.....you have to have head wings and pirate boots to be recognizable as an American superhero these days.

[Chris Wallace]

Yeah... while I prefer the Classic costume for Cap, the Ultimate costume is not that far removed. Not as close as the movie spidey to the books, but not anywhere near the Thor travesty.

But as for the classic Cap costume... the black leather belt has got to go.

Why? And in favor of what? The bulky brown utility belt that he doesn't EVER take anything out of?

[roach]

Yes however to be Captain America you need the head wings, pirate boots and red white and blue color scheme. Just like on Superman you need the cape, "S" shield and undies on the outside. Marvel had a chance to get rid of all this when they designed the Bucky Cap suit and they kept all of them. They had a chance to redesign the Cap suit in Cap Reborn but they kept all of them.
Having Cap without the wings and pirate boots is like having Batman without the ears or glove scallops or Spidey without the webbing.
I guess for you the perfect Cap uniform is a shredded army uniform with a star sewn on it. I guess the government spent all that money on the shield and the serum that putting him in a decent costume was too much.

[Chris Wallace]

Yes however to be Captain America you need the head wings, pirate boots and red white and blue color scheme. Just like on Superman you need the cape, "S" shield and undies on the outside. Marvel had a chance to get rid of all this when they designed the Bucky Cap suit and they kept all of them. They had a chance to redesign the Cap suit in Cap Reborn but they kept all of them.
Having Cap without the wings and pirate boots is like having Batman without the ears or glove scallops or Spidey without the webbing.
I guess for you the perfect Cap uniform is a shredded army uniform with a star sewn on it. I guess the government spent all that money on the shield and the serum that putting him in a decent costume was too much.

Funny thing is, no matter how many times heroes get revamped, reinvented & redesigned,
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/New_x-men_114.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/i-new_supes3.gif
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm76/southsaudi/Spider-Man.jpg
they always seem to find their way back to their original look-or at least some semblance thereof.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/astonishing-x-men-1-100k.jpg
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/superman205turner.jpg
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f112/swampyjs/6_AMAZING_SPIDER_MAN_600_RO.jpg
I guess when it's all said & done, nothing beats a classic. (although I would LOVE to see Supes' trunks go away for good.)

[Rich Santoro]

Why? And in favor of what? The bulky brown utility belt that he doesn't EVER take anything out of?

I get what you mean that he does not use the equipment belt... so then get rid of the belt altogether. It just looks stupid.

He has this little eye-hole black leather belt, like he is going to church on Sunday. His pants are skin tight... what is the belt for???

[Infinity9999x]

I don't really have a problem with the 616 design. I will admit, I wasn't a big fan of it as a kid, but I'm sure the guys in the movie biz will be able to whip up something that retains the classic feel and looks good on screen.

However, I also love the look of the WWII ultimate costume. I'm not going to try and rationalize it "It's got the more REALISTICNESS!!!!!!!111!!" Because, honestly, it's still a blue costume with red and blue stripes and a big ass white star on his chest. He's still going to stick out standing next to a bunch of guys in green's and grays.

I just like the look. Stylistically, I think it looks cool. And since we already know we're going to get a 616 classic look for the Avengers movie, I see no reason why we can't have the WWII ultimate outfit in the Cap movie. Or at least have it for a while, and then maybe he upgrades to something similar to the 616 one.

[Chris Wallace]

I get what you mean that he does not use the equipment belt... so then get rid of the belt altogether. It just looks stupid.

He has this little eye-hole black leather belt, like he is going to church on Sunday. His pants are skin tight... what is the belt for???

Have you pushed for the elimination of Superman's belt? Wolverine's? Everybody else who wears one without practical purpose?

[Aesop Rocks]

Belts keep up the pants ya silly!

[Rich Santoro]

Have you pushed for the elimination of Superman's belt? Wolverine's? Everybody else who wears one without practical purpose?

I don't think that I really have had a conversation about their costumes. Are there even any threads that discuss them???

But if we were to discuss those... then yes, I would suggest dropping the belts for those guys. I have to say, with Cap, I have never liked it, as long as I have been reading Marvel. That belt serves no functional or even aesthetic purpose really. I guess from an artists stand-point, it is a contrast and line break from vertical stripes on his abdomen. Everytime I look in my closet, I think, hey... I have a Captain America belt.

With wolverine in the movies, at least a belt makes sense, since he were jeans most of the time. In the books, most of the mutants wear meaning less belts for color scheme and to add some horizontal lines to the look. In the movies, they had those leather get-ups, so belts made sense.

With Supes... again, it just looks like color scheme really... to go with his big "S". They could just as well put a stripe on there.

I guess, if I were a costume designer on a film, I would be dropping belts that did either hold up pants (those that were not spandex), or hold something (like DD and his battons)... or at least play to the ostentatiousness of their costumes. They have colorful get ups... so it they had a big belt buckle to have a logo, or give some vibrant colors, that would pass for me also I guess.

[Chris Wallace]

Gratuitous belts don't bother me. What I hate are trunks. Hate 'em, hate 'em, hate 'em.

[Rich Santoro]

I have to agree with you there. I am so glad that Cyclops wasn't wearing yellow speedos on the outside (if he wears yellow speedos, that is his own business :hehe:).

But for some reason, the GA doesn't seem to take issue with Supes. I guess that is were "iconism" takes hold.

[Spider-Vader]

During the first movie, he should have his WW2 Ultimate outfit. Then, when he gets into modern times in 'Avengers' & any sequels it should be straight-up 616.

[Webhead2006]

thats how i see it to spider-vader, for first avenger and since we know its going to be set totally in ww2(minus a closing scene/post credit scene in present day i figure). So ultimates ww2 suit for the film. Then in avengers like i said before in present day he gets classic/modern cap suit. Which could be as i said made by stark and/or shield with special purpose materials.

[marvel_freshman]

NO TIGHTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA!
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/229/6/6/I_could_have_done_more__by_Elandain.jpg

Captain America should look something like this in THE AVENGERS, just add his colors, and subtract the glasses. This is perfect.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs47/i/2009/207/8/0/Capt__America_21st_by_MisterAozame.jpg

[Infinity9999x]

Sorry dude, I may not have been the biggest fan of 616 Cap, but there's no way I'd wan to see that design for Cap in Avengers. It looks like a bad GI Joe rip off. Even Ultimate Cap didn't deviate that far from the classic look.

[roach]

I am begining to think that some people in this thread just arent fans of Cap

[Chewy]

Captain America should look something like this in THE AVENGERS, just add his colors, and subtract the glasses. This is perfect.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs47/i/2009/207/8/0/Capt__America_21st_by_MisterAozame.jpg
This makes me very sad :csad:

[Ace of Knaves]

NO TIGHTS SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN THE FIRST AVENGER: CAPTAIN AMERICA!
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/229/6/6/I_could_have_done_more__by_Elandain.jpg


This is brilliant.


Captain America should look something like this in THE AVENGERS, just add his colors, and subtract the glasses. This is perfect.

http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs47/i/2009/207/8/0/Capt__America_21st_by_MisterAozame.jpg

This is bad. Very, very bad. RoboCap :D

[marvel_freshman]

You guys I agree that the second pic that I posted looks awful for Captain America. Thats why I said, " Take away the glasses and add the Red, White, Blue.

Basically, it needs some tweaking, but you gotta admit something like that should be the direction they go with Captain America, for THE AVENGERS. DO you really want someone in red, white, and blue tights, alongside a God of Thunder, and a man in an Armored suit.

To be specific,

-I would use the army Boots, but make them Red.

-The knee, Shoulder, and thigh pads. loose whatever that is supposed to be on his arm.

-Get rid of the Glasses.

-Change the helmet a little.

-Now throw in his colors and there you Go.

[Chewy]

DO you really want someone in red, white, and blue tights, alongside a God of Thunder, and a man in an Armored suit.
Yes. Absolutely.

[Wolvieboy17]

Lol Thats what Tatum would look like if he was Cap... G.I. Craptain America.

[Nathan]

I think that picture actually makes me physically ill. I'd rather take the pirate boots and wings, than be submitted to that abomination on screen.

[roach]

[B] DO you really want someone in red, white, and blue tights, alongside a God of Thunder, and a man in an Armored suit.

yes yes yes and yes. Why not?

[Rich Santoro]

no hi-tech Cap suit... Hi-tech fabrics maybe, and some tweaks like joint support... but as close to the Classis uniform as possible.

[marvel_freshman]

If you say so. But I think that the tights only worked for Spider-Man because the character is very cartoony, and jumpy, and light.

It even kinda worked for the Fantastic 4 because the entire team wore tights. And as I look at them now, Reed & Johnny looks very wierd.
http://bruehoyt.com/superheroes/marvel/FF/ff.jpg

Captain America should be portrayed as a Heavy Duty Super Soldier. I just can not take someone in tights serious, specially next to Iron Man & Thor. And if Marvel is smart they should go a different route.

[roach]

which is why i am glad you are not making this film

[rcazzy]

If you say so. But I think that the tights only worked for Spider-Man because the character is very cartoony, and jumpy, and light.

It even kinda worked for the Fantastic 4 because the entire team wore tights. And as I look at them now, Reed & Johnny looks very wierd.


Captain America should be portrayed as a Heavy Duty Super Soldier. I just can not take someone in tights serious, specially next to Iron Man & Thor. And if Marvel is smart they should go a different route.

Recoloured your Cap pic you posted.
It doesn't look great and the Ultimates look should be used with 616 elements. Best idea. The look is way too over the top and I'm not a fan of the Shield spinning out from the gauntlet. Way too much like G.I. Joe.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/rcazzy/recolourcopy.jpg

EDIT: Also, if you have seen The Incredible Hulk, Blonsky early in the film fighting Hulk is what Cap will move like, ad with him having the perfect Super Soldier Formula and his shield, the ultimates suit would work very well with his movement styles.

[Aesop Rocks]

I'm sorry but no.

[rcazzy]

I'm sorry but no.

Read the post, I'm not a fan of the look :cwink:

[marvel_freshman]

Nice Job, but not exactly what I had in mind. Could you tone the red & blue down a little. And add his shield. And the glasses be subtracted, though I know you may not be able to do that.

[Aesop Rocks]

LOL! Whoops. I meant what I meant was, I hated the entire concept of that Cap. The Shield crap, the sunglasses...everything. He looks like a huge douchebag, IMO. Like a Ultimate Avengers Capx30

[Infinity9999x]

Agreed. I for one vote no to DoucheCap appearing in any form. Again. Ever.

However, I do still like the WWII costume. I just like the look. I do hope it's in the movie at some point. Even if it's his first costume, only used for a bit, and then later in the movie he upgrades to something more 616ish.

[roach]

Recoloured your Cap pic you posted.
It doesn't look great and the Ultimates look should be used with 616 elements. Best idea. The look is way too over the top and I'm not a fan of the Shield spinning out from the gauntlet. Way too much like G.I. Joe.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/rcazzy/recolourcopy.jpg

EDIT: Also, if you have seen The Incredible Hulk, Blonsky early in the film fighting Hulk is what Cap will move like, ad with him having the perfect Super Soldier Formula and his shield, the ultimates suit would work very well with his movement styles.

nice job but its still a crap concept...kind of like polishing a turd

[rcazzy]

Nice Job, but not exactly what I had in mind. Could you tone the red & blue down a little. And add his shield. And the glasses be subtracted, though I know you may not be able to do that.

Could do it, but the look would still be a bit ott. Needs to be very basic. Think spandex kind of look, but made with Stark tech. Extra durable and great resistance to force and projectiles. Very acceptable in the universe made in the movies. Too much armor, as Aesop said, makes Cap look like a douchebag.

[marvel_freshman]

http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/flickr/34/89/002549083489.jpg

[roach]

why cant we have this?

[marvel_freshman]

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs33/f/2008/303/1/3/Ultimate_Captain_America_by_crisbolson.jpg

[protocida]

World War II:

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/229/6/6/I_could_have_done_more__by_Elandain.jpg

But with the classic mask:

http://www.teesnthings.com/productimages/superhero/captain-america-t-shirts/captain-america-mask-t-shirt.jpg

Modern days:

http://forbiddenplanet.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/Bryan%20Hitch%20Captain%20America%20Ultimates.jpg

[rcazzy]

http://l.yimg.com/img.movies.yahoo.com/ymv/us/img/flickr/34/89/002549083489.jpg

That's a far cry from what you posted. Fabrics are much lighter and is still standard army wear. Cap, meanwhile, will be especially tailored for by Stark and SHIELD. Think of it like aerodynamics for cyclists, trying to get the perfect wear for the user's needs. If it can be lighter but still effective, then it should be.

[roach]

no wings????

[rcazzy]

no wings????

I like the idea of metal wings tight to the head.

[roach]

or this?

[rcazzy]

or this?

I'm not a fan of them being so out.

Sorry for the self advertising, but here's a manip I did with an idea for the wings and how I'd like them to be :cwink:

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r1/rcazzy/TIMECAPcopy-1.jpg

[roach]

thats fine...as long as they are there

[marvel_freshman]

Okay the actor portraying Steve Rogers will have to be muscular in the thigh area for the tights to look how you guys want them. If he were to wear tights, every little aspect of the actor's shape will be shown. And the most of the actors that some of you have suggested are skinny in the leg area. The chest area can be tight, but they should add some baggage
http://jallred.homestead.com/Soldier_copy.jpg

[Ace of Knaves]

No tights or spandex please.

[roach]

actors can and have bulked up for roles

[Webhead2006]

i still think as i said many times over for first avengers have it be ultimates WW2 suit with a few alternations to it. made of miltary wear but in the red/white/blue. Then in present day/avengers have it be the classic/modern 616 costume. And they like i said can make it be special light weight body armor/special materials made by stark industries/shield tech and all that.

[Ace of Knaves]

But not spandex or skin tight tights!

[rcazzy]

Yeah, proportion is a big factor. Age also. I'd like someone early 20's but who can also have a gritty look to them where needed. There are a fair few good suggestions made in the casting thread. I think Matt Damon, DiCaprio, Pitt and those guys should be forgotten immediately. There is something about them which doesn't fit. Kellan Lutz from Generation Kill could pull off Cap if given the chance I think. He was a more than decent actor on that show. Just make him a little less clean shaven as he's usually shown in media and it could work perfectly. His body could wear the suit and fill it as much as necessary. While he wouldn't be comic book unnecessarily large, he'd be more than big enough to give that feel.
The costume will work on whoever ends up wearing it. Marvel know how to make it work. They've already proved it in their movies.

[Dog Brother #1]

I wouldn't mind using a similar material to the Superman Returns costume. It actually looked "superhero-y" without look like some crappy fan made spandex monstrosity.

[Rich Santoro]

Okay the actor portraying Steve Rogers will have to be muscular in the thigh area for the tights to look how you guys want them. If he were to wear tights, every little aspect of the actor's shape will be shown. And the most of the actors that some of you have suggested are skinny in the leg area. The chest area can be tight, but they should add some baggage
http://jallred.homestead.com/Soldier_copy.jpg

I don't mind this look... but loose the thigh pocket, and redden the gloves and boots. Circular shield too.

[Chris Wallace]

Lose the utility belt & cargo pockets.

[Changeling]

this would be an ideal costume IMO
some minor tweaks i made...
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp318/frogboy2012/asdfsd.jpg

[darthlaney]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/Cap_42.jpg

This is exactly what I want to see -

I've raised the cowl to expose more of the nose - it should only cover the bridge of the nose

Added chainmail

Made the boots and gloves red - left the pouches on the belt, no worries with these, like the look

Round shield is a must (but would not mind a small amount of triangle shield (with a pointed tip!)

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/quick_valley.jpg

Mark Valley says Cap to me - yep he is too old, I've read all of the discussion on this, I can look past it - cgi and photoshop can fix that and the use of body doubles for skinny Steve can be done (think Benjamin Button in reverse)- a war hardened soldier on screen should look older than his true age anyway. Mark can easily be made to look 30ish.

Finally, found this image yesterday and tweaked it a little - a teaser poster along these lines would be cool

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/The_First_Avenger_by_pedroqn.jpg

[Compi716]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/quick_valley.jpg

Mark Valley says Cap to me - yep he is too old, I've read all of the discussion on this, I can look past it - cgi and photoshop can fix that and the use of body doubles for skinny Steve can be done (think Benjamin Button in reverse)- a war hardened soldier on screen should look older than his true age anyway. Mark can easily be made to look 30ish.
I am with you on this one. I don't know any of Valley's work, so I can't say anything about him as an actor, but VISUALLY he is Steve Rogers. That face looks like Steve Epting drew it.

[Shivsguy616]

Tweaking & overhauling are two different things. This
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j184/darth_sparrow/Movies/Spiderman/spider-man_floodlights.jpg
still looks very much like this.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee27/mandyherself/D1219Marvel-Spider-Man-Posters.jpg
It's just a few modifications.
Whereas this
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k149/Marvel1_2006/ult_cap.jpg
in terms of construction & design, is a radical departure from this
http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f304/STABaller/Captain_America.jpg
and in my opinion, misses the point completely. And this
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa6/witchbrow/Superheros/ultimate_thor.jpg
is even further removed from and sullies the name of this.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x18/rikerdonegal/Marvel%20Comics/Thor.jpg
To me, the Ultimate look doesn't convey Cap's ideals, his nobility-it just looks like a soldier in fancy gear, designed to appeal to post-9/11 sensibilities & the leather craze brought on by the X-Men movies.

Those pictures perfectly betray your point. :whatever:

[tamron]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/Cap_42.jpg

This is exactly what I want to see -

I've raised the cowl to expose more of the nose - it should only cover the bridge of the nose

Added chainmail

Made the boots and gloves red - left the pouches on the belt, no worries with these, like the look

Round shield is a must (but would not mind a small amount of triangle shield (with a pointed tip!)

That's exactly what I wanna see as well. Your manip is basically like the Cap costume on the cover of the Captain America: Red, White & Blue tpb. I've always loved that image, I feel it completely nails the iconic look yet looks realistic.

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/8110/captainamerica01nr0.jpg

[Gamma Goliath]

i dont like the mask and the fitted pullover hood

[Webhead2006]

i wouldnt want cap's suit to be made out of SR costume.

[Young Superman]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/Cap_42.jpg
This would be Perfect.http://www.superherohype.com/forums/images/smilies/icon14.gif

[Triad]

I haven't said it for a while so I'll go on record (again!) that I prefer the Ult WWII look for the majority of FA:CA and for modern times/Avengers I like 616 or the Ult.II helmeted uniform (plus stylized, metallic wings)

[Wolvieboy17]

^^ Agreed, minus the helmet on the modern costume

[Gamma Goliath]

idk, i would have to see the actor in certain costumes to see how well it works

[Spider-Fan83]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/2910/4034999191493868636do.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2910/4034999191493868636do.jpg)

[protocida]

The perfect modern day Captain America:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/06/icon_marvel_narrowweb__300x467,0.jpg

Classic costume, minus the wings (That I think should only be a part of the World War II costume) and the pirate boots (Which I don't think would work on film). I'd only get rid of the glove pockets.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/games/marvel_ultimate_alliance/281x211.jpg

[chris moore]

I gotta admit, the Alliance games do a helluva job making the costumes look transferable to screen

[roach]

just add wings and the pirate boots and its perfect

[Triad]

just add wings and the pirate boots and its perfect
Not a fan of the pirate boots, but yeah, I could get behind this approach. (GOTTA have the wings, though!)

[protocida]

Edit.

[roach]

the pirate boots toned down can work

[Infinity9999x]

the pirate boots toned down can work

When they looked like they were made of the durable leather material that is posted in the pic that Young Superman is quoting, they don't look that bad.

[roach]

that suit to me is perfect

[jab1118]

I dont know why I never thought of it before but every time I explain my ideal costume I am basically explaining the Ultimate alliance cap. Its everything I want im not a fan of the wings although I could live with them. No pirate boots, in fact that we even refer to them as pirate boots should let you know how silly they are, and im not a fan of the full on scales instead more like a pattern that gives some texture like he has in that costume

[Chris Wallace]

Those pictures perfectly betray your point. :whatever:

How so?:huh:

[DJ Kornphlake]

The perfect modern day Captain America:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/06/icon_marvel_narrowweb__300x467,0.jpg

Classic costume, minus the wings (That I think should only be a part of the World War II costume) and the pirate boots (Which I don't think would work on film). I'd only get rid of the glove pockets.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/games/marvel_ultimate_alliance/281x211.jpg

Slap some painted on wings like this to that and I'll be a happy camper:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Comic/Cappy.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

The perfect modern day Captain America:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2006/11/06/icon_marvel_narrowweb__300x467,0.jpg

Classic costume, minus the wings (That I think should only be a part of the World War II costume) and the pirate boots (Which I don't think would work on film). I'd only get rid of the glove pockets.

http://www.mtv.com/shared/promoimages/games/marvel_ultimate_alliance/281x211.jpg
I actually think this is too "middle of the road" here. I guess i could live with the boots, provided they were RED & not brown or burgundy. The color scheme is still a little too muted, I still don't like the pouches (ESPECIALLY on the gloves) and I don't understand the aversion to the wings. I truly think they can be tastefully done with minimal difficulty.
On a side note, the costume choices on that game were a little silly to me. Thor & Cap are in their Ultimate costumes, everyone else is basically in their 616 look, (barring the player SELECTING the ultimate look for those who have one) Spidey's Stark armor is available for play but none of the events of Civil War seem to have taken place-there was no continuity whatsoever. What the hell were they thinking?

[roach]

thats the character model for the first game....MUA2 had 616 Cap

[Webhead2006]

yea i dont see a problem with the wings myself. if they are a bit worried i would say dont make the wing stuck out to far off the head. Maybe make it more of a raised design or something. But i dont want to just see a painted on wings.

[Nathan]

That could work too. Similar to Spidey's raised webbing. I just really don't want to see small wings sticking out of his head. Just like I don't want to see him with pirate boots. With him being a soldier, why wouldn't he wear actual combat boots? Just, well, red.

[roach]

sigh... Steve Rogers stopped being a soldier the moment Dr Erkine died. They made him a symbolic counterpoint to the Red Skull

[Nathan]

Still no excuse for the pirate boots.

[jab1118]

sigh... Steve Rogers stopped being a soldier the moment Dr Erkine died. They made him a symbolic counterpoint to the Red Skull

Okay but at what point did he become a pirate

[roach]

the moment the decided to dress him in a superhero costume..Cap isnt the only hero with that style of boot

[Nathan]

Which doesn't make them any less ugly. So there are several characters running around with pirate boots. That's even worse.

[roach]

there have been several pics posted that have shown the pirate boots that dont look ugly

[roach]

Dbl post but while I am here be sure to read my X-men fan fic Final Genesis before I post its sequel Immortal Game...the second part of my X-men trilogy

[Agent 194]

I love the "pirate" boots. Always have. Don't care what anyone thinks.

[Webhead2006]

yea i wouldnt mind seeing them, but i could see them just going with standard army boots that are red.

[Ace of Knaves]

Give him some combat boots.

I've never liked the pirate boots on any character...ever. Cap, Hawkeye, Deathstroke etc. The only reason someone should wear pirate boots is if...wait for it....wait for it...they are a pirate.

[Blackman]

just give me wings and I'll be good

[afan]

Okay but at what point did he become a pirate

Or a Musketeer?
http://www.collectingfool.com/published/toth-threemusketeers.jpg

Point is they are not "pirate" boots they are however a period boot, and they are commonly associated with adventure characters, and I believe Cap certainly would qualify as that.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Is the boot thing so important? Really, will someone be really pissed off if he got them or not?

[afan]

Course not, but dismissing them because they make him a pirate is the equivalent of the "underwear on the outside" argument for the design of other heroe's costumes.

[Webhead2006]

sure as i said i would like to see pirate boots look or even standard looking boots. Its all about which end up looking better on screen. I am sure the costume desingers if they all have been selected by now are looking into this whole thing and see which work out better and all that. Though with how well pirate boots did look in the disney pirates movies i am sure the costume designers might be open to trying the look out.

[Agent 194]

Is the boot thing so important? Really, will someone be really pissed off if he got them or not?


Well, no,...not really. But there have been websites that have been created, and eventually branched out to be much more, on something as supposedly mundane as web shooters.

On a personal note I always liked the motion and line of movement that the cuff on the boot gave. Hey, it's the look I've come to love and accept.

[jab1118]

Or a Musketeer?
http://www.collectingfool.com/published/toth-threemusketeers.jpg

Point is they are not "pirate" boots they are however a period boot, and they are commonly associated with adventure characters, and I believe Cap certainly would qualify as that.

Your right I was breaking balls with the whole when did he become a pireate thing. They are period boots associated with adventure characters. However the period is the Renasisance so if you want to rename him Captain Great Britain and have him be frozen while fighting the spanish armada then by all means give him the boots.

[Chris Wallace]

Why ARE we harping so much on the boots? They're just stylized boots, which-as some have already pointed out-I would associate more with swash-buckling than pirates. And are they any less "cool" or "realistic" than, say, Superman's boots? Or Batman's? What's the problem?

[afan]

Your right I was breaking balls with the whole when did he become a pireate thing. They are period boots associated with adventure characters. However the period is the Renasisance so if you want to rename him Captain Great Britain and have him be frozen while fighting the spanish armada then by all means give him the boots.

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/JLA_5-Martian.jpg

Making this hero the Manhunter from Manchester?
Seriously, the argument that elements of super-hero costumes cement them in a historical period or geography, is facetious at best.

[jab1118]

Why ARE we harping so much on the boots? They're just stylized boots, which-as some have already pointed out-I would associate more with swash-buckling than pirates. And are they any less "cool" or "realistic" than, say, Superman's boots? Or Batman's? What's the problem?

First swash-buckling is a term that discribes pirates as well, they are pretty much the same period so they wore similar clothes. And yes they are less cool and less realistic then batman and supermans boots. The problem is that many of us find them ugly and silly looking.

By your own admission they are most notably worn by people who lived in a time around 3 to 400 years before Cap. The only reason Cap has them is that at the time he was created Characters like the muskateers, pirates, zorro were pretty popular so the artist just borrowed some things from their design. Which was fine in the 40's and still kind of works in comics today but when you adapt for a movie some things need to be changed because they just wont work

[roach]

"I will not sacrifice the pirate boots. We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They take away the wings and we fall back. They take away the chain mail and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And *I* will make them pay for what they've done. "

Nah im kidding. I just want a suit faithful to CA

[roach]

First swash-buckling is a term that discribes pirates as well, they are pretty much the same period so they wore similar clothes. And yes they are less cool and less realistic then batman and supermans boots. The problem is that many of us find them ugly and silly looking.

By your own admission they are most notably worn by people who lived in a time around 3 to 400 years before Cap. The only reason Cap has them is that at the time he was created Characters like the muskateers, pirates, zorro were pretty popular so the artist just borrowed some things from their design. Which was fine in the 40's and still kind of works in comics today but when you adapt for a movie some things need to be changed because they just wont work

The costume is being made in the 40's. Should it have velcro or made of lightweight body armor that our Army uses today???

[Triad]

On record, I would prefer Cap on film sport more of a dark red combat boot purely for aesthetic reasons.
- BUT -
to anyone complaining about the cuffed "pirate" boot just looking corny and not being functional in a realistic setting, I would have to argue that point. If I'm not mistaken, the cuff is supposed to be able to be rolled up to keep more of the pant legs and therefore, the FEET (one of the most important body parts on a soldier) dry when wading through shallow standing water such as swamps or marshes. I'm inclined to think that this aspect would actually make these an asset on the battlefield despite looking kinda silly. (IMHO, they do though!)

[protocida]

Are pirate boots the new white gloves? :hehe:

[roach]

you cant wear 'em before labor day?

[Triad]

:pal: I was wondering what protocida meant.

[protocida]

Green Lantern's white gloves. They're causing as much controversy as Cap's pirate boots back at the GL forum. :hehe:

[roach]

how could you not have his white gloves?

[protocida]

They might look corny.

[roach]

as opposed to a big green punching bag

[Blackman]

or just having lack gloves like in JLU and GL:FF

JUST GIVE ME WINGS ON CAP.

[jab1118]

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/JLA_5-Martian.jpg

Making this hero the Manhunter from Manchester?
Seriously, the argument that elements of super-hero costumes cement them in a historical period or geography, is facetious at best.

Maybe thats the style on mars they could be a few hundred years behind. Seriously though I wasnt actually saying that if Cap wheres the pirate boots he has to be from that time and place. I was just trying to make the point of why would an american in the 1940's where boots that hadnt been worn for a few hundred years in europe

The costume is being made in the 40's. Should it have velcro or made of lightweight body armor that our Army uses today???

Im all for him having more modern armor to protect himself my main point was the disign for a superhero on page with them boots was fine and looked cool in the 40's but today in live action they are not gonna cut it my main point of view towards the costume is what will look coolest and to me the boots will automatically make him look dorky

On record, I would prefer Cap on film sport more of a dark red combat boot purely for aesthetic reasons.
- BUT -
to anyone complaining about the cuffed "pirate" boot just looking corny and not being functional in a realistic setting, I would have to argue that point. If I'm not mistaken, the cuff is supposed to be able to be rolled up to keep more of the pant legs and therefore, the FEET (one of the most important body parts on a soldier) dry when wading through shallow standing water such as swamps or marshes. I'm inclined to think that this aspect would actually make these an asset on the battlefield despite looking kinda silly. (IMHO, they do though!)

Thats exactly what I want the boots to be. And as for your other point I dont care if they actually could serve some use. Like you all decisions for me are aesthetic, what will look the best.

[roach]

you missed my point...the suit has to look like it was made in the 40's because in the movie it will be made in the forties.

[Nathan]

If it takes place in the 40's, I'd want him to look like WW2 Ultimate Cap anyway.

[roach]

why would they put him in a soldiers uniform in 1940?

[Nathan]

Oh, I don't know. Maybe because of the wars he'll participate in and because of being the result of the the super soldier project?

[roach]

In 1940 America wasnt in the war and infact the President kept signing Neutrality Act which prevented America entering the war. The fact is no one knew that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked. Loss of American life was so great in WW1 that pretty much the country didnt want to enter WW2. The government had every intention of making Steve a super soldier and had Dr Erskine survived then he would have been a regular plainclothes soldier...no star spangled avenger. However Dr Erskine was killed and no more Super soldiers could be created.Making lemonade out of lemon they put him in a suit and created the first government superhero. That is why he is in a superhero suit, why they gave him a shield and a mask with wings and adventure boots

[Nathan]

Not in 1940. But in 1944 he would probably be part of the Allied Invasion. The movie doesn't need to stick 100% to the source material. I don't mind minor changes. I'd rather have him in a military uniform with the american colors, than wearing a superhero costume that really does look like it was made in the 40's.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4587/minutemen1940.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/i/minutemen1940.jpg/)

[roach]

How does Cap's 616 costume not look like it was made in 1940. Dollar Bill's costume looks like Caps with a few modifications

[marcvader]

Cap better look like a superhero by the end of the movie and not just a red white and blue g.i. Almost all the heros in most comic movies go through some sort of costume evolution so i don't see why this couldn't happen here.

[jab1118]

you missed my point...the suit has to look like it was made in the 40's because in the movie it will be made in the forties.

Oh okay I dont think it really has to though, like I said a few pages back I have no problem with them saying its made out of some experientals materials that are more advanced then anything possible in the 40's. Something they developed but was too expensive to actually mass produce The guy is superpowered with an industructabel shield that absorbs all energy that touches it. I dont think having his costume being made of some sort of tougher bullet proof material that was not available in the real 1940's is stretching any further then that stuff. Now i dont want it to look overly advanced like batman in dark knight but I dont want him basically wearing wool leather and chainmail ether

[roach]

however it should still have the sensibilities of being designed in the 40's. Sure it can have advanced fabrics but the design should look as if someone in 1940 came up with the look. Look at how the Batsuit on the 60's Batman series looks. Yes it looks campy now but it looked cool in the 60's. Compared to the Batman suit or TDK suit. Compare the suit from the George Reeve Superman series and compare it to the Christopher Reeves suit, the Lois and Clark suit and the Superman Returns suit.

[Chris Wallace]

First swash-buckling is a term that discribes pirates as well, they are pretty much the same period so they wore similar clothes. And yes they are less cool and less realistic then batman and supermans boots. The problem is that many of us find them ugly and silly looking.

By your own admission they are most notably worn by people who lived in a time around 3 to 400 years before Cap. The only reason Cap has them is that at the time he was created Characters like the muskateers, pirates, zorro were pretty popular so the artist just borrowed some things from their design. Which was fine in the 40's and still kind of works in comics today but when you adapt for a movie some things need to be changed because they just wont work

I'm sorry, this is a load of crap. Nobody had any problem with his design for decades, and nobody said anything about the boots OR the wings, the lack of military indicia or any question of practicality until the "Ultimates" version was introduced. So I am simply not buying it. Cap is SUPPOSED to stand out, his costume is SUPPOSED to look ostentatious, because he's not just a soldier, but a SUPER soldier. Emphasis on "super". He wears a costume, not a military uniform. Why do we want him to appear ordinary?

[jab1118]

I'm sorry, this is a load of crap. Nobody had any problem with his design for decades, and nobody said anything about the boots OR the wings, the lack of military indicia or any question of practicality until the "Ultimates" version was introduced. So I am simply not buying it. Cap is SUPPOSED to stand out, his costume is SUPPOSED to look ostentatious, because he's not just a soldier, but a SUPER soldier. Emphasis on "super". He wears a costume, not a military uniform. Why do we want him to appear ordinary?

Look I dont want him in the ww2 ultimate costume I think that does look oridinary. Just some sort of updated version of the 616 that takes out or changes things that will make him look silly like the boots or the wings. Although I am coming around to thinking that the wings can be done well in some way if they are tight to his head

[jab1118]

however it should still have the sensibilities of being designed in the 40's. Sure it can have advanced fabrics but the design should look as if someone in 1940 came up with the look. Look at how the Batsuit on the 60's Batman series looks. Yes it looks campy now but it looked cool in the 60's. Compared to the Batman suit or TDK suit. Compare the suit from the George Reeve Superman series and compare it to the Christopher Reeves suit, the Lois and Clark suit and the Superman Returns suit.

I agree with you to a point but I dont want him to look like a tv superhero of the 40's. Those costumes you mentioned like batman and superman were adaptations of comicbook characters in tights made by tv people with limited resources. Who never thought of the fact that hey batman might need some armor. Cap will not be. He is an actual soldier that is being equiped with a uniform that needs to be functional and protect him. Whoever came up with his costume would be thinking of that first and adding in the stars and stripes later

[Nathan]

I'm all for faithfulness. But the last thing I want to think of when watching the Captain America Movie is 60's Batman or the Minuteman from Watchmen. He can be a superhero without looking totally cheesy, with tights made in the 40's. I'd rather have him wear denim pants together with a jacket in the classic colors.

A tight jacket similar like this would look great.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1338/77106711.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/77106711.jpg/)

Now give him red boots, gloves and the mask and your first American Superhero is born.

[Jordacar]

Look I dont want him in the ww2 ultimate costume I think that does look oridinary. Just some sort of updated version of the 616 that takes out or changes things that will make him look silly like the boots or the wings. Although I am coming around to thinking that the wings can be done well in some way if they are tight to his headI can do without the boots, but they gotta have the wings. It's part of his look. Without them, it's just an uninteresting skull cap.

[Webhead2006]

not a bad jacket i would fix the Star so its on the center.

[Webhead2006]

not a bad jacket i would fix the Star so its on the center.

[Brian Braddock]

But the last thing I want to think of when watching the Captain America Movie is 60's Batman or the Minuteman from Watchmen. He can be a superhero without looking totally cheesy, with tights made in the 40's.

God, you have no idea how I echo your thinking.

One of my biggest fears is that a character as awesome as Cap ends up looking like something that people will s****** at during the film.

I could certainly do without that.

[Gamma Goliath]

that jacket reminds me of the patriots suit.

[Nathan]

You mean this one? Just googled a bit around and haven't seen it before.

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/1624/patriotoriginalshieldba.th.jpg (http://img695.imageshack.us/i/patriotoriginalshieldba.jpg/)

I wouldn't mind if Cap looks like this. Of course give him is classic mask and change the colors so that it looks like his classic costume. Just no 40's tights that make him look like a bad TV superhero reject.

[Steve Holt]

that's Patriot from the young avengers

[Gamma Goliath]

yeah didnt patriot also use the retro style shield

[Webhead2006]

Man it is going to be crazy here in a few months once filming starts for cap in june so then we waiting to see first peak at costume.

[jab1118]

God, you have no idea how I echo your thinking.

One of my biggest fears is that a character as awesome as Cap ends up looking like something that people will s****** at during the film.

I could certainly do without that.

This is exactly what I have been trying to avoid. Every opinion I have on Caps costume is trying to find the things that will make people laugh at how corny he looks and change them. I want him to be recognizable as Cap at first glance but at the same time if you translate him from the page exactly he will look silly. I want him I want him to be a red white and blue badass not have him look like a 1940's serial superhero just so we can imediately recognize the time that would be horrible


Speaking of the red white and blue what are your thoughts on how the colors should be in the costume lighter like in some of the older cap comics or more royal blue or darker. I think they should be darker the blue especially should be closer to the blue in the actual american flag. Im sure this could start some arguments with the 616 costume purists but again I think a Cap out there in plain blue will look silly and what the hell im bored

[Webhead2006]

i would go with a royal blue and a crimson red.

[Brian Braddock]

A darker shade of blue with a contrasting vibrant red would suit me.

Dark, Duke or Egyptian blue with a Rosso Corsa red.

[Nathan]

I say stick with the flag colors. After all, he's called Captain America and dressed like the flag.

[Brian Braddock]

You dont say. Now theres a revelation. ;)

What shades of red and blue are we talking here then?

EDIT: Just searched and found that they are Dark Red, White and Navy Blue. That suits me fine as Navy is a darker shade of blue and, to be honest, I've never understood why Cap was coloured in a lighter shade.

[Nathan]

Navy Blue and dark red?

[Brian Braddock]

Yup.

As I said, I could go with that.

[afan]

I say stick with the flag colors. After all, he's called Captain America and dressed like the flag.

In regards to the colors....is there any room for discussion at all.

There are color standards for the U.S. flag, and those standards should also be the colors of the costume!

[Wolvieboy17]

^^ Agreed, but I don't want him to look to blaringly like an overly patriotic symbol. I know thats what it stands for, but the character himself doesn't stand for patriotism, its more broad ideas like freedom and liberty, so it shouldnt get lost in a pro america symbol. Lets not forget this is an international movie.

All I mean is, something like darker colours, and perhaps not drawing as much attention towards the star or something (at least not for the modern one)

[roach]

Look I dont want him in the ww2 ultimate costume I think that does look oridinary. Just some sort of updated version of the 616 that takes out or changes things that will make him look silly like the boots or the wings. Although I am coming around to thinking that the wings can be done well in some way if they are tight to his head

yes they can be done without looking silly. Look at the Flash costume from the tv show

[jab1118]

In regards to the colors....is there any room for discussion at all.

There are color standards for the U.S. flag, and those standards should also be the colors of the costume!

I think the colors on the flag are perfect but the colors on the flag are very different then the colors Cap is traditionally shown wearing. As Braddock said the colors of the flag are navy and a dark red, for some reason people forget this when thinking of the flag. You say red white and blue and they imediately think of royal blue and a bright red which a very far from the flag

[Chris Wallace]

Navy Blue and dark red?

Not too dark, though; I don't want another abomination like the "Superman Returns" suit.

[Nathan]

The colors are darker and suddenly it's an abomination? Seriously? To this day I still don't understand all the whining and hate that the suit gets.

And we're talking here about a guy who is called Captain America and is dressed like the flag. It was always weird that they didn't use the exact colors.

[Chris Wallace]

The colors are darker and suddenly it's an abomination? Seriously? To this day I still don't understand all the whining and hate that the suit gets.



It's not whining; it's stating an opinion. The only thing I liked was the raised shield; I'd been hoping for that. Everything else was atrocious. The darkened, muted color scheme combined with the shrunken shield are the OPPOSITE of what Superman's supposed to project; it truthfully looks like he's embarrassed to be seen in public, & wanted to downplay the superhero motif as much as possible. (This is also how I would feel about a muted or "ultimized" Captain America.) I was also not fond of the texture of the cape, the symbol on his belt, & the boots looked like they came from Payless.

[darthlaney]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/post-3435-1217394483.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/post-2322-1217405079.jpg

WW2 Navy denim blue is the way to go

[roach]

It's not whining; it's stating an opinion. The only thing I liked was the raised shield; I'd been hoping for that. Everything else was atrocious. The darkened, muted color scheme combined with the shrunken shield are the OPPOSITE of what Superman's supposed to project; it truthfully looks like he's embarrassed to be seen in public, & wanted to downplay the superhero motif as much as possible. (This is also how I would feel about a muted or "ultimized" Captain America.) I was also not fond of the texture of the cape, the symbol on his belt, & the boots looked like they came from Payless.

Actually I like the suit and saw that it was more faithful to the original suit than what it became.
I guess since I am the 616 spokesman I do think the colors of the suit should match the colors of the flag.

[RogueDK]

It's not whining; it's stating an opinion. The only thing I liked was the raised shield; I'd been hoping for that. Everything else was atrocious. The darkened, muted color scheme combined with the shrunken shield are the OPPOSITE of what Superman's supposed to project; it truthfully looks like he's embarrassed to be seen in public, & wanted to downplay the superhero motif as much as possible. (This is also how I would feel about a muted or "ultimized" Captain America.) I was also not fond of the texture of the cape, the symbol on his belt, & the boots looked like they came from Payless.
It was a damn shower curtain. :hehe:

I gotta agree with you on all these points, Chris. The design was very underwhelming IMO but I'm a Christopher Reeve/Bronze Age disciple anyway.

If opinions equate to whining then so be it...not everyone is going to like it.

[Nathan]

But to go so far as calling it an abomination? Come on. Some of you guys act like we got the Burton suit.

[RogueDK]

But to go so far as calling it an abomination? Come on. Some of you guys act like we got the Burton suit.
Well, I wouldn't go that far but apparently that's how Chris feels. I'll call Superman Returns an abomination though because it was dreadful.

The muted attire didn't help things.

[roach]

thats the crazy thing.People get mad cause they put an "s" on SR belt but are ok with Iron-Batman. Do you realize we have not had a faithful bat suit since the 60's Batman tv show.

[RogueDK]

thats the crazy thing.People get mad cause they put an "s" on SR belt but are ok with Iron-Batman. Do you realize we have not had a faithful bat suit since the 60's Batman tv show.
I'm probably the biggest Batman fanboy on this site and everyone that knows me personally will attest to that.

That being said, I love TDK film to death....I still hate his costume. HATE IT. And Supe's saucer-sized "S" was disappointing to me.

[Raith]

Cap needs a motorcycle helmet and spandex suit like Reb Brown!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n-hm9gvEHbk/SWgoQqxt7oI/AAAAAAAACYI/6QWzHK3irGg/s400/rebbrown1.jpg

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/captainamerica1979.jpg

[marcvader]

The SR costume is the result of getting too cute and overthinking when it came to tweaking his look. I wonder what Singer and the designers think of their result in retrospect.

[Brian Braddock]

Cap needs a motorcycle helmet and spandex suit like Reb Brown!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n-hm9gvEHbk/SWgoQqxt7oI/AAAAAAAACYI/6QWzHK3irGg/s400/rebbrown1.jpg

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/captainamerica1979.jpg

In the sense of moral decency and good taste, I've made the appropriate change:-

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b64/SUPERBENITEZ/rebbrown1.jpg


This is a family site, after all.

:hehe:

[marcvader]

:pal: too funny

[Timstuff]

Not in 1940. But in 1944 he would probably be part of the Allied Invasion. The movie doesn't need to stick 100% to the source material. I don't mind minor changes. I'd rather have him in a military uniform with the american colors, than wearing a superhero costume that really does look like it was made in the 40's.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4587/minutemen1940.jpg (http://img258.imageshack.us/i/minutemen1940.jpg/)

Like I've been saying, I'd be OK with a "Minutemen" style 616 Cap suit if it's not his primary costume in the movie-- as in, it only makes a guest appearance during some kind of PR / photo op event where Cap is shaking hands with Roosevelt or something. The rest of the World War II period would be his Ultimate WW2 uniform, and then when he gets into modern times he'd get a modernized version of the 616 uniform. That'd be 3 different suits in the movie with the Ultimate WW2 suit getting most of the screen time. Hopefully that'd be enough to please fans, and I'm sure that the toy companies and collectors would love that there are 3 Cap suits for them to make merchandise based off of.

[RogueDK]

The SR costume is the result of getting too cute and overthinking when it came to tweaking his look. I wonder what Singer and the designers think of their result in retrospect.
Well I really don't think that Singer will admit that he might've made a mistake with his approach on Superman's story/costume because to me, he comes off as a little too pretentious in alot of his interviews.

I remember reading a couple of short articles, online here and there, where in so many words he never took any blame for SR underperforming at the box office when Warner Bros. was stalling to start a sequel. In retrospect, I really don't think that he's wavered very much with the angle he took. He's pretty proud of it...even though he hacked Donner's. :doh:

[Nathan]

The costume doesn't bother me, but I really don't like the story approach. It should've been a reboot instead of a Donner sequel and bringing a kid into it was just dumb.

[RogueDK]

The costume doesn't bother me, but I really don't like the story approach. It should've been a reboot instead of a Donner sequel and bringing a kid into it was just dumb.
Amen. What is the fascination with giving all of the cool heroes children?
Is that supposed to make it more endearing to a faction of audiences who don't follow comics? :huh:

But back to Cap, has anyone heard on which look Marvel might favor more? Or are we going to get an amalgam of WW2, Classic and that horrid Ultimate look?

They really are cutting this production close.

[Chris Wallace]

It was a damn shower curtain. :hehe:
So you hated the cape more than everything else I cited? Interesting.
I also loathed the movie, but that's neither here nor there.

[Timstuff]

Buger King sells hamburger patties that are bigger than the SR \S/ shield. The cape looked like a shower curtain and was tucked into the neck in a very stupid looking way, the colors sucked, the belt buckle was redundant, the belt line was too low... It was overall just plain a really sucky costume. The crummy costume is a perfect illustration of SR as a whole.

[roach]

so its a perfect example of not trying to overthink a classic costume....the same can be said for Cap's costume. No need for the ultimate costume or multiple costumes. The 616 can be done and not look silly

[Nathan]

Don't you want it to look exactly like the comics, yet have it look like it was made in the 40's? How can it not look silly?

[roach]

Yes I want it to look just like the comics, yes I want the sensabilities of the suit to look like someone designed a hero costume in 1940 and yes there is a way to do both and not look silly

[The Phantom]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/post-3435-1217394483.jpg

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk28/laney_74/post-2322-1217405079.jpg

WW2 Navy denim blue is the way to go
Screw utilities. Screw the navy period.

[Chris Wallace]

Cap needs a motorcycle helmet and spandex suit like Reb Brown!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n-hm9gvEHbk/SWgoQqxt7oI/AAAAAAAACYI/6QWzHK3irGg/s400/rebbrown1.jpg

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/c/captainamerica1979.jpg

:barf:

[Rage]

The BOOTS in SR REALLY bothered me the most...and I hate to say it... but I think that if they go with the swashbuckling boots look for cap... they will look silly. The ONLY way I would want them to use that look was IF they did use the Minutemen approach for his costume early in the film and then realized that it wasn't durable enough and moved more toward either the WWII Ultimates look...saving the updated "classic" look with the darker colours and the fancy materials for the Avengers movie.