Captain America's Costume

[COAL TIGER]

Which would be better suited for the movie?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9945/xcaptainamericacc11jq9.jpg
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2233/ultimateorigins21as6.jpg

[Triad]

I like them both.
The original costume is iconic and I know that a lot of people will be voting for it on that alone, but I feel that the Ultimates version would better suit a motion picture somewhat grounded in reality. Besides, the 1990 movie showed me that the original costume just doesn't look quite right on film. Time to change things up. I even like the WWII Ultimates version that I've seen around. A good way to start and evolve to the final product, maybe?
I know I'm gonna get slammed by the purists, but this is just my humble opinion.

[RAMORE]

An amalgam of the two for Avengers but in his solo movie WWII get up.

[COAL TIGER]

Is there a way I can edit and make a voting poll? I didn't know how to do that.

[Triad]

So ArcBlade, what's your preference between the two?

[marcvader]

I've always liked the denim WWII look for the first flick. I can't make up my mind for the present day Cap. I will always love the classic suit but I just can't picture a direct translation of it to film. It works on the page but I just cant picture those vibrant colors boots and wings on the big screen. It would have to be an amalgam of Classic and Ultimate for it work for me. There's still plenty of time to think it over as we probably won't see the modern look till Avengers.

[Rich Santoro]

I like the Ultimate version for the WWII scenes... here is a slightly different layour of that (with a flack jacket rather than the double breasted jacket):

http://www.evilspacerobot.com/1001101/sketchblog/20070401/captainamerica.gif

For modern scenes... I like the modern gloves and boots in the Ultimate uniform, rather than the gauntlets and classic boots. But I like the head wings and consistent color scheme (sans shoulder stars) of the classic uniform (the Ultimate has that lighter color on his armpit area). But I do like the look of that torso padding in the Ultimate uniform, rather than the scales in the classic. So an amalgam is the way to go.

[chiefchirpa]

Like 616 better. The real Cap.

[COAL TIGER]

So ArcBlade, what's your preference between the two?

The ultimate costume would make a lot more sense. I can actually see him wearing that in war.

[ironman29758]

I actually think he should wear an anagralam of the two durning moderen day Ultimate Cap's milliatary helemet, gloves and boots and 616 cap's wings, and costume. During War Would 2 the 616 version

[MattBearPig]

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/9004_press01-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/90041_press01-001.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

Combo.

[Brian Braddock]

The ultimate costume would make a lot more sense. I can actually see him wearing that in war.

I agree.

I always saw the Ultimates costumes as being deliberately styled to be more 'movie-friendly' than their 616 counterparts. I think I posted comparisons between the x-men movie costumes and Ultimate Giant-Mans/Quicksilver costumes on the 'How Thor Should look' thread to show how Hitch must have took his design cues from the X movies.

Personally, for Cap's costume - I'd go along with most of the folks ideas on here - I'd like to see an amalgam between the two.

[RAMORE]

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/9004_press01-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/90041_press01-001.jpg

:up: I love both of these:up:

The red skull for cap 1 and the cap for the avengers not for his first movie.

[Chris Wallace]

I want a cowl, no chin strap. The wings can probably be painted on. I'm cool w/the basic construction of "Ultimate", but I want the colors to be bright & bold, not muted like they are in "Ultimate".

[tamron]

616.

[Hectorminator]

During WWII (His solo movie) this:

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4929/074kr.jpg


In modern times (The Avengers) this:

http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/219/937/07/CaptainAmerica_Head3.jpg

[cerealkiller182]

Classic 616. Its the icon.

I wouldnt mind the use of the Ult. chinstrap and belt,

[odiin]

An amalgam of the two for Avengers but in his solo movie WWII get up.

Yup.

That said though, this has already been debated to death in pretty much every Captain America thread ever.

[louiebling$]

Odins right... I've gotten into some really bad arguements b4 about this.... but I for one am all about the 616 costume

[Peyton Westlake]

I think as Cap evolves in the time line so should his costume..

[Chris Wallace]

He doesn't really evolve. He sleeps through the years. So on that basis I can see two outfits.

[TheVileOne]

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/9004_press01-001.jpg

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/90041_press01-001.jpg
Hope they go with something like this, even for the first movie.

I'm sorry. He should not wear that stupid outfit in the world war II solo movie. Just eh-eh.

Look at Iron Man. They generally stuck with the looks of the 616 comics, though Iron Man's mark III is more like his most recent stuff. The Mark I looks very similar to the first suit of armor he wore.

Thank God they didn't use the ultimate stuff for Iron Man. That would've sucked. I think Hitch is a great artist, but I hate that Iron Man design. HATE. I hate the Cap WWII outfit as well. I don't care how practical or realistic it is.

This is important, it needs to be Cap. When you look at it, everyone needs to be able to identify it as Cap. You can't cut corners with it.

[November Rain]

I wouldn't actually mind him wearing his ww2 getup through the entire avengers film. I think his ultimate avengers cartoon costume worked very well whatever that was

[Kable24]

During WWII (His solo movie) this:

http://img348.imageshack.us/img348/4929/074kr.jpg


In modern times (The Avengers) this:

http://i1.iofferphoto.com/img/item/219/937/07/CaptainAmerica_Head3.jpg

That's my opinion of it as well. The modern one will need some tweaking though. Mostly the boots and gloves.

[November Rain]

with regard to his modern day costume, i could see cap in a short sleeve attire with his army gloves on from the 40s instead of the white band and long pirate gloves

[Chris Wallace]

Uh-uh. I don't see that at all.

[marcvader]

Yeah I agree also, don't like that idea. That would give him Robin arms.

[November Rain]

not with really short gloves? i understand with pirate gloves but proper tiny gloves?

[Rich Santoro]

All I know is that he MUST have the wings in the modern version of his uniform.

[KangConquers]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i46/d3mon86/4986a3e5.jpg

This with Wings.

I can sacrifice the pirate boots, but not the wings. That makes the cowl as much as the A.

[Chris Wallace]

not with really short gloves? i understand with pirate gloves but proper tiny gloves?

I don't get why you'd want him sleeveless at all. He'd look like a wrestler. Especially with short gloves.

[Brian Braddock]

Totally, Kang. You gotta have the wings.

I wouldnt be exactly crying into a beer if that costume was chosen either.

I would say remove the stars from the shoulders though, as well as the pouch on the top of the gauntlets and we've a winnah.

[Chris Wallace]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i46/d3mon86/4986a3e5.jpg

This with Wings.

I can sacrifice the pirate boots, but not the wings. That makes the cowl as much as the A.

Can't see it.

[RAMORE]

I'd take that as is with Printed wings on the head gear ala secret wars outfit. Actual wings serve what purpose? Oh and this is his avengers gear to me the WWII has to look different.

[Peyton Westlake]

He doesn't really evolve. He sleeps through the years. So on that basis I can see two outfits.


Poor choice of words for me. I meant more as time passes by, he upgrades or changes his costume to fit the times.

[KangConquers]

I'd take that as is with Printed wings on the head gear ala secret wars outfit. Actual wings serve what purpose? Oh and this is his avengers gear to me the WWII has to look different.

I disagree.. I want him to look like a superhero in WW2. That's what he was; a superhero propaganda machine to get young people to join the army. He becomes much less enticing if he's wearing a blue version of your typical army outfit.

[Rich Santoro]

^ I don't agree with the Superhero propaganda line about recruitment... I think he was an walking emblem of American virtue at war. Meant to inspire troops, downtrodden European citizenry, and to counter the terrifying persona of the Red Skull. But he was most definately a soldier in WWII.

And the wings serve the same purpose as Batman's bat ears, and Superman's big S... and Spiderman's web print on the red posrtion of his costume. Just an icon of what the character is. Must... have ... wings...

[KangConquers]

^ I don't agree with the Superhero propaganda line about recruitment... I think he was an walking emblem of American virtue at war. Meant to inspire troops, downtrodden European citizenry, and to counter the terrifying persona of the Red Skull. But he was most definately a soldier in WWII.

And the wings serve the same purpose as Batman's bat ears, and Superman's big S... and Spiderman's web print on the red posrtion of his costume. Just an icon of what the character is. Must... have ... wings...

Cap has also been shown plastered on posters in golden age revisionings like Mythos saying "I Want YOU..." Like Uncle Sam.

Yes exactly...People are acting like this is something that can be changed, when it really isn't. Unlike say, The X-Men, who have had 90 different outfits, Cap's whole career has been built around this one outfit, save for a few issues. His costume is as important to him as Spider-Man's is to Spider-Man;.

[louiebling$]

yea that ultimate with the wings i will definitly take

[[A]]

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/mas_assets/jpg/9004_press01-001.jpg
I...must...own...this

[COAL TIGER]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i46/d3mon86/4986a3e5.jpg

This with Wings.

I can sacrifice the pirate boots, but not the wings. That makes the cowl as much as the A.

This is what I want to see him wear in the movie. The original costume would look silly. I wouldn't care if they used the wings or not.

[MattBearPig]

I disagree.. I want him to look like a superhero in WW2. That's what he was; a superhero propaganda machine to get young people to join the army. He becomes much less enticing if he's wearing a blue version of your typical army outfit.

They could have him in his GA costume for promotion purposes (I.E.-Public appearances, posters, commercials, etc.) and his Ult. WWII outfit when he's on an actual mission. Also, I think the Ult. modern costume w/wing would work rather nicely as long as there isn't any gray on it.

[Rich Santoro]

Yes exactly...People are acting like this is something that can be changed, when it really isn't. Unlike say, The X-Men, who have had 90 different outfits, Cap's whole career has been built around this one outfit, save for a few issues. His costume is as important to him as Spider-Man's is to Spider-Man;.


EXACTLY... The X-Men's uniforms are not really part of their individual persona's. They were always just a random collection of colors schemes to give a "cool" look... Storm's white outfit with the cape, Gambit's pink vestment and trenchcoat, Rogue's greem and yellow, Wolverine's brown and yellow, Jean Grey's orange and blue, Colossus and Nightcrawler and red and blue wrestling singlets... their costumes were all over the map.

Cap, Spider-Man, Ironman (his outfit is what makes him a hero at all), Thor all have an attire that represents their persona and identity as a hero. That is why I hate the Bucky Captain America uniform.

[Triad]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i46/d3mon86/4986a3e5.jpg

This with Wings.

I can sacrifice the pirate boots, but not the wings. That makes the cowl as much as the A.
I'm all for this as well! I'm not a huge fan of the wings, but I have to admit that many fans would be disappointed if they were missing. Could we live with them printed on the cowl/helmet? Don't really care for the shoulder stars either.

[Chris Wallace]

I'm all for this as well! I'm not a huge fan of the wings, but I have to admit that many fans would be disappointed if they were missing. Could we live with them printed on the cowl/helmet? Don't really care for the shoulder stars either.

I'm fine with painted-on wings.

[Spider-Vader]

So what do you guys think Captain America's costume should look like in his movie. I'm pretty sure we'll get something that looks like his iconic outfit in the Avengers. But I'm not sure about his own movie.

I think the WWII style costume would make more sense & would look better in a WWII setting.


I tried posting pictures from Photo Bucket. I copied & pasted but noting showed up, any help?

EDIT: I forgot to add a poll. Can a mod please add a poll? Thanks.

[Iceburgeruk]

So what do you guys think Captain America's costume should look like in his movie. I'm pretty sure we'll get something that looks like his iconic outfit in the Avengers. But I'm not sure about his own movie.

I think the WWII style costume would make more sense & would look better in a WWII setting.


I tried posting pictures from Photo Bucket. I copied & pasted but noting showed up, any help?

EDIT: I forgot to add a poll. Can a mod please add a poll? Thanks.

I believe the standard version of his world war 2 costume would work and I would prefer at least a short period of the film to feature his first shield.

Many versions ahve had cap running around with guns but i`d prefer if he didn`t. Many say having him fire off a machine gun is more realistic, but is it? If he had guns then operating them while wielding the shield would be immensely cumbersome. He would find it difficult to aim and fire a gun properly and would find it irksome to throw the shield accuratly while clutching a firearm in one of his hands. Hew would thereby probably have abandoned using a shield and just gone at the nazis punisher style.

I don`t mind him having a pistol and holster but he should be well trained enough that he doesn`t need to ever unholster it. Many note the need for heavy firearms based oin the idea that cap would be leading the charage on the first landing craft at d-day. He wouldn`t. No military commander in american history would think that putting their greatest hero garbed in the u.s flag in the first wave woudl be a good idea. No general would even think of it because they would guess he would get mown down in seconds and his gory death would be an immense morale defeat both for the troops on the ground and civilians back home once news filtered through. Cap would be used in his most effective role covert attacks and quick strikes against specific targets. If cap was at d-day he would be allowed to leave to go ashore once a beach head had been established no matter how desperate cap would be to fight in the first wave.

[TheVileOne]

Classic.

You can't do a whole movie with him wearing that Ultimate outfit. I'm sorry.

This is not the Ultimate movie-verse.

[Iceburgeruk]

Classic.

You can't do a whole movie with him wearing that Ultimate outfit. I'm sorry.

This is not the Ultimate movie-verse.

Shown by the fact Iron Man looked like Iron Man and not like a droid from star wars.

[kedrell]

True, but only after they'd changed his look in the 616 already. Cause IM's classic look would never have worked. He'd have ended up looking like a big CGI goof-ball. As for Cap, some changes have to be made, but do it for reasons that make sense.

[TheVileOne]

Yes, but in Iron Man they still gave him a modern design from the 616 verse instead of the Ultimate design.

[Hypestyle]

the Ultimates outfit is more practical looking.. not that the classic outfit is dumb.. the Hitch outfit is just retro-modernized...

[Artistsean]

I know a lot of people will want the more realistic Ultimates WWII Cap costume, and yes its more realistic than the original designed by Kirby
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/2862065188_396276ef96.jpg http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/hawkeye2.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/WWII_Capt_america_main.jpg
But if they use the Ultimates, for one thing there is too much Ultimates stuff in the Marvel movies, but another thing and the main thing
is that I would seriously miss Kirby's original design and I like that old costume.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/1941yjoe-simon-jack-kirby.jpg

Why not combine them together somehow. Merge the two so that we could use a more realistic looking (like the Ultimates version) take on the old Jack Kirby version. I don't know. But I do see how the old one is unreal for a movie, it would just be a shame to loose it completely.

[TheVileOne]

I don't think it will be either of those costumes.

I don't think it will be the triangular shield either, at least not through most of the movie.

[Jordacar]

I've got a way to incorporate all 3 costumes into the movie; the classic kirby, the modern duds, and the Utimates WWII getup:

When Steve officially becomes Cap, he is given this suit to wear for the press and the newsreels. It's designed mostly to photograph well, so of course he hates this suit (he's especially not crazy about the wings), but it becomes his primary look in the eyes of the public. He wouldn't wear this one for long.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5693/stevegacapfront.jpg
When he goes to war, he wears something more akin to his Ultimates gear, some of which he would personalize as he becomes more seasoned. He would wear this for the remainder of his movie, and be frozen in it, along with his round shield.
*(Gotta have the red boots on this one too.)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7735/ultimateww2cap.jpg
When he is revived and joins the Avengers, he is given something like his modern suit. It has all the latest infantry suit tech you'd expect Cap's suit to have, while incorporating the popular elements from his older PR suit.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1065/stevecaptainafront.jpg
In MY version, I would have Wasp incorporate the classic elements (she is the fashion maven in the comics after all). When Cap inquires about the wings on the cowl, she explains that it's part of his look. (He's a symbol. As a symbol, he's incorruptable, everlasting. :cwink:)

[Spider-Vader]

I think it'd be weird that the iconic outfit would be seen in the '40s. I'm all for it in the Avengers & any solo adventures Cap has after being frozen.

[Wally West]

I'm O.K. with him wearing the retro ultimate gear in the Captain America film, but I would definately prefer the classic costume for Avengers.

I love how Marvel stayed true to the look of both Iron Man and the Hulk. Granted, a monterous body, and robotic suit of armor can be designed more creatively perhaps than a human in costume, but I'm sure if they try they can come up with a suitable explaination for Cap to wear the classic costume. I also hope Thor's costume will resemble his classic look,(If nothing else they should keep the cape)

[Spider-Vader]

I have a feeling Marvel will have Cap have something similar to his classic look in Avengers. Not sure about Thor, I'd be fine with his Ultimate design minus the beard.

[hippie_hunter]

Considering that the Captain America movie will be set in World War II, they should use the Ultimate WWII design for his costume. Then in Avengers, have him use his classic 616 outfit.

Best of both worlds IMO.

[RogueDK]

http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1065/stevecaptainafront.jpg

To me, this is classic. I've never cared for the Ultimate look so if Marvel can stay in this neighborhood somewhat, I'll be happy. :yay:


Not sure about Thor, I'd be fine with his Ultimate design minus the beard.

Ugh, I hope not. 616 only please...

[sabetoonth]

i prefer ult over 616 thor, and add the cape you got somethin nice,cap should havemultiple costumes, like any marketed individual.

[GNR]

I'm a fan of the classic look as well as the current BuckCap and Ultimate designs.

I think the classic look will translate horribly to screen,the 1991 film made that pretty clear.

Considering the tone they've already set with Iron Man and IH,some type of variation on the Ultimate and current look would look best.

[Nivek]

One of the few things I liked about the Ultimate Universe was redesigning Cap's modern uniform to eliminate the sillier elements (the head wings, design of the mask, and giving him non-pirate boots). I even like the WW2 costume to an extent, and I think it seems more realistic given Cap was supposed to be both a propaganda tool, and a working soldier in the same costume.

[RogueDK]

One of the few things I liked about the Ultimate Universe was redesigning Cap's modern uniform to eliminate the sillier elements (the head wings, design of the mask, and giving him non-pirate boots).
See, I guess I'm a tradionalist to a degree, or just a dinosaur to that regard, about the things you consider silly about Cap's classic attire.

I love the wings on the head and the pirate boots. Although I'd be willing to live with the more combat look of the Ultimate boot-style if only Marvel would retain the wings on that mask and the "A". There has to be a happy medium reached if old and new fans of the character are going to see this movie.

With my luck, I probably won't get what I want. :csad:

And yes, the 1990 movie might look cheap, poorly schemed and cheesy...but dammit I love it because of Cap's old school look.

[DJ Kornphlake]

I think doing the wings like this for the modern suit would be a happy medium:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Comic/Cappy.jpg

[Wally West]

I'm a fan of the classic look as well as the current BuckCap and Ultimate designs.

I think the classic look will translate horribly to screen,the 1991 film made that pretty clear.

Considering the tone they've already set with Iron Man and IH,some type of variation on the Ultimate and current look would look best.


Don't be so sure the classic look would look bad on film just because it did in the 90's film. The fabric/material and shades of the colors make all the difference in the world. Don't believe me? Find a pic of Spiderman from his 70's apearances on the PBS show the electric company, or the god awful 70's film spidey was in, they were both classic Spidey suits, but they look a hell of lot different than the current Spiderman costume which is essentially the same classic design.

[RogueDK]

I think doing the wings like this for the modern suit would be a happy medium:

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f24/dj_kornphlake/Comic/Cappy.jpg
Hell yeah! I could live with this design; just put the A back on the forehead and the rest is liveable enough for me. :yay:

[Spider-Vader]

I'm a fan of the classic look as well as the current BuckCap and Ultimate designs.


I think BuckCap should be saved just incase Bucky ever gets on-screen in this current Marvel movie franchise.

[sabetoonth]

i like that peice from secret wars

[Chris Wallace]

How many threads are we gonna see on this?

[Compi716]

I've got a way to incorporate all 3 costumes into the movie; the classic kirby, the modern duds, and the Utimates WWII getup:

When Steve officially becomes Cap, he is given this suit to wear for the press and the newsreels. It's designed mostly to photograph well, so of course he hates this suit (he's especially not crazy about the wings), but it becomes his primary look in the eyes of the public. He wouldn't wear this one for long.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5693/stevegacapfront.jpg
When he goes to war, he wears something more akin to his Ultimates gear, some of which he would personalize as he becomes more seasoned. He would wear this for the remainder of his movie, and be frozen in it, along with his round shield.
*(Gotta have the red boots on this one too.)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7735/ultimateww2cap.jpg
When he is revived and joins the Avengers, he is given something like his modern suit. It has all the latest infantry suit tech you'd expect Cap's suit to have, while incorporating the popular elements from his older PR suit.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1065/stevecaptainafront.jpg
In MY version, I would have Wasp incorporate the classic elements (she is the fashion maven in the comics after all). When Cap inquires about the wings on the cowl, she explains that it's part of his look. (He's a symbol. As a symbol, he's incorruptable, everlasting. :cwink:)
:up::up:

[Chris Wallace]

I've got a way to incorporate all 3 costumes into the movie; the classic kirby, the modern duds, and the Utimates WWII getup:

When Steve officially becomes Cap, he is given this suit to wear for the press and the newsreels. It's designed mostly to photograph well, so of course he hates this suit (he's especially not crazy about the wings), but it becomes his primary look in the eyes of the public. He wouldn't wear this one for long.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5693/stevegacapfront.jpg
When he goes to war, he wears something more akin to his Ultimates gear, some of which he would personalize as he becomes more seasoned. He would wear this for the remainder of his movie, and be frozen in it, along with his round shield.
*(Gotta have the red boots on this one too.)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7735/ultimateww2cap.jpg
When he is revived and joins the Avengers, he is given something like his modern suit. It has all the latest infantry suit tech you'd expect Cap's suit to have, while incorporating the popular elements from his older PR suit.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1065/stevecaptainafront.jpg
In MY version, I would have Wasp incorporate the classic elements (she is the fashion maven in the comics after all). When Cap inquires about the wings on the cowl, she explains that it's part of his look. (He's a symbol. As a symbol, he's incorruptable, everlasting. :cwink:)

I like.

[photofinish]

I'm brand new to SHH and would like to post a pic I made of cap but I do not know how. could someone please help. Thanks

[kedrell]

^I don't think you can until you get at least 300 posts or something like that. Or you could have someone else post it for you.

[photofinish]

Thanks I was hoping I could show everyone a captain america costume I made in photoshop but I guess I'll have to wait until I get 300 post.

[Kokomo29]

What should Captain America's costume look like in the upcoming movie? Should it resemble his classic red, white and blue threads or be something more modern? Captain America has had a wide variety of costumes in his long and rich career, so what should his costume look like for his big screen debut?

Let the brainstorming begin!

[xwolverine2]

has this movie even gotten any writers or crew on board yet?

[Kokomo29]

I don't believe so. I believe that the only confirmed member of the crew is the director.

[Kable24]

Just spotted this board. Now I am happy again since they got rid of my beloved Punisher board.

Since the movie is taking place in WW2 era, I would like to see his Ultimate version for WW2 and if he comes to the present then a combo of the Ultimate and classic with more of a lean to the classic.

[Kokomo29]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/162/ue070801.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ue070801.jpg)

I would really like to see something that is modern and militaristic, but definitely honors, respects and pays homage to Cap's "classic" look. His costume needs to be functional and be able to withstand the traumas of war.

[Kable24]

Plus it has to be believable in a real world environment.

[Chris B]

616. With just a few small tweaks for the sake of practicability.

[kedrell]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/162/ue070801.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ue070801.jpg)


I would really like to see something that is modern and militaristic, but definitely honors, respects and pays homage to Cap's "classic" look. His costume needs to be functional and be able to withstand the traumas of war.

Close enough for me. :up:

[louiebling$]

Plus it has to be believable in a real world environment.
:up:

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Jordacar http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16516915#post16516915)
I've got a way to incorporate all 3 costumes into the movie; the classic kirby, the modern duds, and the Utimates WWII getup:

When Steve officially becomes Cap, he is given this suit to wear for the press and the newsreels. It's designed mostly to photograph well, so of course he hates this suit (he's especially not crazy about the wings), but it becomes his primary look in the eyes of the public. He wouldn't wear this one for long.
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5693/stevegacapfront.jpg
When he goes to war, he wears something more akin to his Ultimates gear, some of which he would personalize as he becomes more seasoned. He would wear this for the remainder of his movie, and be frozen in it, along with his round shield.
*(Gotta have the red boots on this one too.)
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/7735/ultimateww2cap.jpg
When he is revived and joins the Avengers, he is given something like his modern suit. It has all the latest infantry suit tech you'd expect Cap's suit to have, while incorporating the popular elements from his older PR suit.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/1065/stevecaptainafront.jpg Looks great! :up:

[[A]]

I really really really like the Ultimate suit. I'm probably in the minority, though :o

[Showtime]

I would imagine they would show multiple versions of the suit just as Iron Man did.

[[A]]

no little wings, please

[TheVileOne]

Little wings = yes.

This isn't the Ultimate Captain America movie folks. This is THE Captain America movie.

[tamron]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2669/captainamericabyjprartlo2.jpg

I believe the 616 suit can be used without looking stupid, and should be used.

[TheVileOne]

I don't believe so. I believe that the only confirmed member of the crew is the director.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0458339/fullcredits#writers

IMDB says Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, though who knows how legit or up to date that is.

Both guys were previously on both Narnia movies and also the Life and Death of Peter Sellers. The Sellers flick was a good little character piece, made for HBO biopic.

[louiebling$]

The Wings are Iconic and Part of Cap.... the Wings are a must.

[louiebling$]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2669/captainamericabyjprartlo2.jpg

I believe the 616 suit can be used without looking stupid, and should be used.
Man i love this pic...... its exactly why the suit needs to be 616.

[TheVileOne]

Taking the wings off is like taking the lightning bolts off the Flash mask.

[jab1118]

I didn't used to be a fan of the wings but they have kind of grown on me. However I am now starting to think that the A on his forehead must go.

[louiebling$]

I didn't used to be a fan of the wings but they have kind of grown on me. However I am now starting to think that the A on his forehead must go.
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::dry:

[GNR]

I'm all for a hybrid of the classic,current and Ultimate versions.Little bit of everything without looking silly.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2669/captainamericabyjprartlo2.jpg

I believe the 616 suit can be used without looking stupid, and should be used. That's just...wow! That image is just fantastic. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/162/ue070801.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ue070801.jpg)

I would really like to see something that is modern and militaristic, but definitely honors, respects and pays homage to Cap's "classic" look. His costume needs to be functional and be able to withstand the traumas of war.

1-I don't want his colors muted. He's the symbol of American patriotism & ideals. Plus I still haven't gotten the taste of Brandon Riuth's suit out of my mouth.
2-the "Ultimate" look works for me on some levels but not all.
3-Cap is defined by his costume, so we can't make it a non-costume for the sake of "realism".

[captainrogers]

I didn't used to be a fan of the wings but they have kind of grown on me. However I am now starting to think that the A on his forehead must go.


I think the A should stay....I've been trying to sketch a version of cap where the A is actually a stylized Captain's insignia(two connected silver bars). I got the idea a couple of years back when I saw Chris Bachalo's take on Ultimate Cap during 'Ultimate War'. If you look at Cap's Shoulders, you see his (a stylized version)rank on them. It wasn't too far off from looking like an A.

[C. Lee]

The A needs to stay.

As to the wings....I have seen drawings where instead of them standing out from the side of his head, they are like the A, material flat on the side of the cowl.

[TheVileOne]

I can kind of deal with that if they look good. But again, it's like taking the bolts off the Flash mask.

Also, war to Tamron's awesome picture.

My hope is it will be pleasantly surprising like Iron Man where they at least picked the more modern, 616 design.

You would think that they would want to do with the Ultimate design for WWII . . . though I don't really care for it since I guess it's the most "realistic".

[Mr. Todd]

I like the Ultimate version for the WWII scenes... here is a slightly different layour of that (with a flack jacket rather than the double breasted jacket):

http://www.evilspacerobot.com/1001101/sketchblog/20070401/captainamerica.gif

For modern scenes... I like the modern gloves and boots in the Ultimate uniform, rather than the gauntlets and classic boots. But I like the head wings and consistent color scheme (sans shoulder stars) of the classic uniform (the Ultimate has that lighter color on his armpit area). But I do like the look of that torso padding in the Ultimate uniform, rather than the scales in the classic. So an amalgam is the way to go.


http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/162/ue070801.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ue070801.jpg)


I would really like to see something that is modern and militaristic, but definitely honors, respects and pays homage to Cap's "classic" look. His costume needs to be functional and be able to withstand the traumas of war.

The A needs to stay.

As to the wings....I have seen drawings where instead of them standing out from the side of his head, they are like the A, material flat on the side of the cowl.

I like all 3 of these ideas. :up: Except in the stand-alone he should have the pointed shield and NO CHINSTRAP for the Avengers movie.

edit: and the design in RAMORES avatar could work really, really well in the Avengers movie too imo:

http://forums.superherohype.com/image.php?u=1248&dateline=1232563760

Anyone got the full pic of this?

[RogueDK]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/162/ue070801.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ue070801.jpg)


I would really like to see something that is modern and militaristic, but definitely honors, respects and pays homage to Cap's "classic" look. His costume needs to be functional and be able to withstand the traumas of war.
That's damn near perfect to me...but I've got to have the wings; really not feeling that mask helmet. I really wish that they'd take the wings into consideration. :csad:

[jab1118]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::dry:

Hey im not married to the idea I just dont think certain costumes work well in comics and if not changed will look sort of dorky on screen. But im sure they will probably test 10 different versions of the mask/helmet one with no wings, A, with chin strap etc. And I trust them to pick the coolest lookig one

[louiebling$]

I absolutely HATE the chin strap.. make it the normal cowl.

[RogueDK]

I absolutely HATE the chin strap.. make it the normal cowl.
:up:

[Jordacar]

I absolutely HATE the chin strap.. make it the normal cowl.:up::up::up::up:

[marcvader]

I think you can get away with alot, costume wise, if the movie is well made and the actor they cast can really make you respect and believe in Cap.

[lixdexia]

i think the costume depends on the dirrection they go with the film.

if it's more of a standard superhero flick i'd like to see them go with the traditional head wings and scales suit (though with red combat style boots, the cavaliers have got to go)

if it's a more dramatic ww2 piece (i hope it is...) i'd prefer to see the ultimates ww2 costume.

either way there's only so many directions they can go with it and it still look like captain america

[TheVileOne]

Just really don't like the chinstrap. It sticks out way too much. I like the idea of a mask rather than a helmet.

[afan]

So far the film costumes of Marvel heroes have been fairly consistent in maintaining a "classic" look, without adhering to "real world"(read Batman) considerations. That being said I eagerly expect Captain America's costume to follow suit(pun intended).

[November Rain]

i like the helmet, it also tallies up with ironman and thor also having helmets

they should all have them sitting on a table while having a discussion, like M.A.S.K

[afan]

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2669/captainamericabyjprartlo2.jpg

I believe the 616 suit can be used without looking stupid, and should be used.

Tone down "scales" a bit, lose the compartments on the belt(unless he carries a gun what are they for?), and this is perfect.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Tone down "scales" a bit, lose the compartments on the belt(unless he carries a gun what are they for?), and this is perfect.
A radio, vitamin pills, spare change? He doesn't seem to have pockets in those pants.

[Nivek]

I actually like the Helmet, it's a throw back to the Rex Brown Cap from the 70's (take that all you people who keep bringing up Lou in regards to any Hulk project).

[afan]

I actually like the Helmet, it's a throw back to the Rex Brown Cap from the 70's (take that all you people who keep bringing up Lou in regards to any Hulk project).

Off topic, but this includes some scenes w/ Reb and Lou together..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df9EAyI_M2o

[Doctor Doom]

I like all 3 of these ideas. :up: Except in the stand-alone he should have the pointed shield and NO CHINSTRAP for the Avengers movie.

edit: and the design in RAMORES avatar could work really, really well in the Avengers movie too imo:

http://forums.superherohype.com/image.php?u=1248&dateline=1232563760

Anyone got the full pic of this?

It came from the Marvel Redesign Thread. Though RAMORES made it, I saved a copy for myself, because it was so awesome;

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3867/2dj8fmr.jpg

[photofinish]

I've got a really cool design for cap I made in photoshop, I just signed up on SHH can anyone help me on uploading the picture to this post. thanks

[Kable24]

save it to photobucket and then post the img tag here.

[marcvader]

That's a cool looking design for Cap but feel it's way too busy for my taste along with being tired of the Batman body armor look everyone and their mother is using these days.

[RogueDK]

It came from the Marvel Redesign Thread. Though RAMORES made it, I saved a copy for myself, because it was so awesome;

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3867/2dj8fmr.jpg
Well at least he's got the wings.:woot:

[Jordacar]

It came from the Marvel Redesign Thread. Though RAMORES made it, I saved a copy for myself, because it was so awesome;

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3867/2dj8fmr.jpgI like! Goin all TDK with the modern duds, that's what I'm talking about!

[Mister J]

That's a cool looking design for Cap but feel it's way too busy for my taste along with being tired of the Batman body armor look everyone and their mother is using these days.
Agreed. I'd prefer something more organic, utilizing the 'chain mail' look (prevalent in the neckpiece) on the torso.

Thw wings and A are a must.
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2669/captainamericabyjprartlo2.jpg

I believe the 616 suit can be used without looking stupid, and should be used.
God, yes!

[Brian Braddock]

I'd take chain-mail over scales definately.

Agreed on the wings and the 'A'.

[Doctor Doom]

I've got a really cool design for cap I made in photoshop, I just signed up on SHH can anyone help me on uploading the picture to this post. thanks

Just go to a site like Image Shack (http://www.imageshack.us/) or Photo Bucket (http://photobucket.com/) and put on your pictures. Image Shack doesn't need an account, but you can't have an album like Photo Bucket.

Upload your picture, then click on Copy Image Location.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/7536/copyimagelocationbr1.png

Then when posting a picture on a Super Hero Hype Board, click on the Pictures Icon.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/1636/clickinsertpicfd4.png

Insert the copied page location, under Paste.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5390/pasteimagelocationaj5.png

Then you are done.

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7990/donehw6.png

[ironman29758]

mabye a combo of to make a good captain america costume:
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/162/ue070801.jpg (http://img25.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ue070801.jpg)
and
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2669/captainamericabyjprartlo2.jpg
to make a perfect realistic, modern costume/ uniform. can someone draw/photo shop this with the straps, boots, pants gloves of the ultimate version and the scales/chainmails, wings of 616 version and war world 2 costume a mixture of ultimate war world 2 and the clasic Jack Kirby costme

[jab1118]

So far the film costumes of Marvel heroes have been fairly consistent in maintaining a "classic" look, without adhering to "real world"(read Batman) considerations. That being said I eagerly expect Captain America's costume to follow suit(pun intended).

So far the only costume marvel adapted was Ironman which is probably the easiest costume to adapt in all of comics its already semi-realistic and the whole tone of the movie feels like the ''real world'' I dont see why Cap would be much different

[kedrell]

^Are you serious? I'd have said IM had the hardest look to do on screen. I mean they basically had to wait until Granov came along and reinterpreted IM's classic look. Because all of his earlier looks just weren't going to cut it.

[Spider-ManHero12]

^^ Very true! Tbh, even before that, I had thought Iron Man's costume was going to be very hard to adapt.

[kedrell]

^Well, his original grey suit wouldn't have been too difficult but after that the molded metal look just wouldn't work. And before Granov came along, my favorite IM armor was:

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x9/vandar_photo/bestarmor.jpg

Even though it never would have worked.

[jab1118]

I dont get whats so hard its basically a robot. Its almost exactly the same from comics its barely adapted. Once the technology was there they basically pointed to a comic and said make it look like that

[kedrell]

Until the Granov design came along only the Mark 1 and 2 looked like robots. The rest looked like some guy in pajamas, ala Spider-Man and we were just supposed to accept that it was metal armor; and that would never work well in a live action movie.

[Mr. Todd]

It came from the Marvel Redesign Thread. Though RAMORES made it, I saved a copy for myself, because it was so awesome;

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3867/2dj8fmr.jpg

Yeah, I think this is pretty much perfect for the Avengers movie. Practical, fits in with the other characters and tone, and is still, for the most part, true to the comic.

Oh, and no stupid chinstrap. Always a plus. :up:

[WillardNation]

I'd be ok with that ^^

[photofinish]

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss221/doobienjara/capamerica.jpg?t=1236180276thanks Dr. Doom for the info I have more I'm working on and will upload soon.

[Brian Braddock]

The use or Randy Orton >cough< wrestler >cough< aside, if they could realise something like that costume (I like the texture of the chain-mail) in real life and have it look convincing, I'd be happy.

I'd like to see be able to see Cap's eyes though as well as there being a bigger belt.

[photofinish]

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss221/doobienjara/largercap.jpg?t=1236181147

[photofinish]

I wouldn't use randy orton as the actor he just served my purpose for creating the costume. I'm totally against using wrestlers for actors. To me I always liked how batmans eyes were shaded under the mask so I went for the same look on cap. Thaks for the input.

[storyteller]

If spiderman taught us anything. Its not the comic book designs that are the issue. The issue is the material and detail. If it looks like a Halloween costume it will suck. Get the right material and texture and it could look bad ass. Ultimate Captain America though has the texture. They just need to combine that with the classic design.

[SWAT]

http://i578.photobucket.com/albums/ss221/doobienjara/largercap.jpg?t=1236181147

Captain douche?:csad:

[jab1118]

I have never wanted to punch Captain America so much

[echostation]

he looks like a complete jackass there... total tool

[kedrell]

I can only imagine him saying "wassup?"

[louiebling$]

yea cuz thats what randy orton would say :dry:

[kedrell]

^I don't know who that is.

[Daredevil_2003]

Ultimates all the way, for me, particularly the WWII one. :up:

[Gamma Goliath]

http://www.geektyrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/capwwiiqj8.jpghttp://www.toymania.com/columns/rtmisc/images/dstww2ultcapbusttitle.jpg
WWII based movie so WWII based costume.

[TheVileOne]

Listen though, and think carefully about this.

This for all intents and purposes is supposed to be the first legitimate Captain America movie. And it's not an Ultimate Captain America movie.

Is that really the image that should be marketed for the costume in the movie? Shouldn't Cap be sporting something more iconic and classic for this version/

[kedrell]

^I see no reason why he can't get his more traditional look once he wakes up in the present. As for the WWII scenes, a more militaristic infantry outfit suits me just fine, like the pic above your post.

[Daredevil_2003]

Vile One, Ultimate Cap isn't still Captain America?

Putting aside my personal dislike for the 616 visuals (character wise, I think they're pretty similar and like 'em both tremendously), the Ultimate one just makes more sense and would be better received by the masses, especially if they go the route I believe they'll go.

If they make it much more 'superhero-ey' , for lack of a better term, as it's going to be a superhero film regardless as this is Captain America we're talking about, then a slightly more classic look for the WWII Cap would be fine. By 'superhero-ey' I mean more Spider-Man or Superman style than Batman or Iron Man. More fantasy adventure than sci-fi super soldier WWII movie. There's nothing wrong with either approach but I prefer and believe they'll head in the latter and Ultimate inspired direction for this film and Avengers. There may be a healthy chunk of 616 influence in the film, but like their other properties it will be updated and retooled ala said Ultimate universe.

[TheVileOne]

Vile One, Ultimate Cap isn't still Captain America?

No he's not. Just like Ultimate Iron Man isn't Iron Man, and that's not the Iron Man they adapted for the movie.

Putting aside my personal dislike for the 616 visuals (character wise, I think they're pretty similar and like 'em both tremendously), the Ultimate one just makes more sense and would be better received by the masses, especially if they go the route I believe they'll go.

Based on what?

Character wise, they are really nothing alike.

[Daredevil_2003]

No he's not. Just like Ultimate Iron Man isn't Iron Man, and that's not the Iron Man they adapted for the movie.You've got to be kidding me, the only difference with IM is the origin and the look of the armor, he acts just like his original counterpart, shares the same virtues and vices, etc.

Cap is still the selfless patriot, fearless leader, and fearsome warrior. His character's a bit edgier, but at heart I see the same guy in both incarnations.


Based on what?Que?

Character wise, they are really nothing alike.Again, disagree completely.

[TheVileOne]

You've got to be kidding me, the only difference with IM is the origin and the look of the armor, he acts just like his original counterpart, shares the same virtues and vices, etc.

-Brain tumor

-the Orson Scott Card business

-Nope, nothing alike.

Cap is still the selfless patriot, fearless leader, and fearsome warrior. His character's a bit edgier, but at heart I see the same guy in both incarnations.

"Does this look like an F on my forehead?!"

Kicking Bruce Banner.

[Daredevil_2003]

-Brain tumor

-the Orson Scott Card business

-Nope, nothing alike.I said the origin, which is what 'the Orson Scott Card busness' is, was different. I'm not arguing that, but you conveniently ignore that in the present (The Ultimates) he's still a billionaire industrialist, probably the smartest man in the world, flies around in a hi-tech sut of armor with all sorts of amazing derring do, and in his spare time for kicks is a boozing, womanizing, playboy who can be a bit of ass at times but is when all's said and done a good man who wants to make the world a better place and is doing the best he can to achieve that goal. That's nothing alike? Cuz liek, last time I checked, that's totally Tony Stark/Iron Man.

"Does this look like an F on my forehead?!"

Kicking Bruce Banner.Exactly, edgier. Still has the same virtues, they just made him less of an unbelievable boy scout. He's still the big hero, just a meaner one. More of a badass. The man was basically a Delta Force Operator on steroids in WWII (literally :hehe:). I like that they gave him a more realistic soldier's personality while maintaining his heart and what makes him the big hero.

[lixdexia]

my idea for the costume
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h56/themancalledbat/capcopy-1.png
the dark blue and the gloves would a leathery texture to them, everything else neoprene so it's form fitting and give a traditional superhero suit look.
the leather part of the mask is a helmet that's attached to the light blue under mask, so we can have the helmet without the chin strap.
the wings are a metal/hard plastic instead of actual feathers

[Doctor Doom]

The ultimate WW2 Cap was very iconic for me, and I would love to see it incorporated into the film.

[Artistsean]

Here are a few ideas I had for the Captain America costume, a way to keep it as traditional as possible while still making it acceptable for a live action 3D movie, and incorporating the Ultimate version too.

The Wings on his mask could be painted on like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Cappy.jpg

The "A" on his mask should be about this size:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/9f125888d297bd7e93b87f4ec4e71c5bima.jpg

His "mask" should be a harder material, a helmet really. With the neck part being made of a thinner, softer, material, while the chest part is made of harder material as well. But the helmet, neck, and chest are all the same color blue:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/545698-secinv006c_cov_col_large_sup.jpg

His forehead/eyebrow ridge area should be molded like so:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/CAPTAIN_AMERICA_10.jpg

The neckline of his costume should go to his clavicle like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/82956-86681-captain-america_super.jpg

The chain male on his costume 3D bullet proof scales, not necessarily this big but not so small that they are unnoticeable:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/014.jpg

His armpit area, however, should be lighter material like his neck and have no scales on it (for comfort and mobility). It should be the same blue as his costume though:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/captain_america2.jpg

The striped material on his waist should be a lighter material too, and should not be skin tight:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/CaptainAmerica.jpg

I liked when they were drawing his costume with the brown belt like this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/171336-captain-america_400-1.jpg

His pants shouldn't be spandex or skin tight, but not very baggy either. It shouldn't have pockets or pouches on it, but seems and patterns like this are OK:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/030707cap_1.jpg

[Artistsean]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/ultimates11.jpg
His gloves would probably need to be like the Ultimate versions, otherwise it might not stay on. But maybe do away with the pouches on the gloves.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Toon__Ultimate_Captain_America_by_r.jpg
His boots could look like this

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Colbert.jpg
His shield should cover his torso.

This is sort of a rough sketch of what it might look like:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/moviecostumeidearough.jpg

[louiebling$]

Artisan... that really what the perfect suit would be :o......... :up: to you compiling that

[Sentinel X]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/ultimates11.jpg
His gloves would probably need to be like the Ultimate versions, otherwise it might not stay on. But maybe do away with the pouches on the gloves.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Toon__Ultimate_Captain_America_by_r.jpg
His boots could look like this

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Colbert.jpg
His shield should cover his torso.

This is sort of a rough sketch of what it might look like:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/moviecostumeidearough.jpg

I hate you [/jealousy].....I wish I could draw :csad:

but yeah, that looks really cool, I wouldn't mind something like that at all :up:

[Kal-El 8]

Classic 616 Cap
http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1442/190213-captain-america_400.jpg

[afan]

Classic 616 Cap
http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1442/190213-captain-america_400.jpg

If it ain't broke.....why fix it?

[SWAT]

But, will it translate to film?

[Artistsean]

Well some parts of his costume seem like they wont transfer, like the bright colors, the wings on his mask, his boots,
But I think that the comic book audience has gotten into the mindset that
"they are going to change the costume, so might as well present my idea"
sort of like this is how far I am willing to let it be changed, try to keep it close enough.
Everyone is already in the mindset that they have to change it.

Even during Spider-Man, Alex Ross was asked to design a look. (Not sure what they told him besides the Goblin would mutate physically) but his concepts where way different,
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spiderman1024.jpg

I was thinking the same thing so I designed what I thought would be a fare compramise:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Spider-manredesign.jpg
Make his eye parts solid black, alter the torso part a little, and make the blue parts black, (thinking that the bright blue and red would be too goofy for a movie and since they always change the costume...)

But then the costume they used was this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/1-1.jpg




So, to make a long story short, they may not change a thing on Captain America's costume because they don't need to.
But what they are doing now in Superman, Batman, and Spider-man, even in Transformers
is making the costume more detailed, such as Spider-man's webbing, Batman's armored costume, and so on. Instead of just solid fabric they add some details for the big screen.

Maybe we will get an almost exact translation of Caps classic costume.
Then again, they may try to make it different just to differentiate from the first Captain America movie, the one the general audience probably doesn't remember:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/moviewallpaper.jpg
If the costume looked mostly like this ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ But with a better plot and better effects, and better acting,
would you like it?

[Spider-ManHero12]

Originally Posted by Artistsean http://forums.superherohype.com/images/Drakon/SHHClassic/smallbuttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?p=16551852#post16551852)
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/ultimates11.jpg
His gloves would probably need to be like the Ultimate versions, otherwise it might not stay on. But maybe do away with the pouches on the gloves.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Toon__Ultimate_Captain_America_by_r.jpg
His boots could look like this

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Colbert.jpg
His shield should cover his torso.

This is sort of a rough sketch of what it might look like:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/moviecostumeidearough.jpg
That looks awesome, I must say. :up:

[Daredevil_2003]

I've always dug that Alex Ross design. Still prefer the classic, but I would not have been upset at all if they went with Ross'.

If the new Cap movie has a much :P better plot and effects, that costume wouldn't bother me too much. In the end it's the story and the characterization that matters most to me, if the costume tickles my fancy in just the right way, as well, that's only icing on the cake.

[Chris Wallace]

Well some parts of his costume seem like they wont transfer, like the bright colors, the wings on his mask, his boots,
But I think that the comic book audience has gotten into the mindset that
"they are going to change the costume, so might as well present my idea"
sort of like this is how far I am willing to let it be changed, try to keep it close enough.
Everyone is already in the mindset that they have to change it.

Even during Spider-Man, Alex Ross was asked to design a look. (Not sure what they told him besides the Goblin would mutate physically) but his concepts where way different,
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/spiderman1024.jpg

I was thinking the same thing so I designed what I thought would be a fare compramise:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/Spider-manredesign.jpg
Make his eye parts solid black, alter the torso part a little, and make the blue parts black, (thinking that the bright blue and red would be too goofy for a movie and since they always change the costume...)

But then the costume they used was this:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/1-1.jpg




So, to make a long story short, they may not change a thing on Captain America's costume because they don't need to.
But what they are doing now in Superman, Batman, and Spider-man, even in Transformers
is making the costume more detailed, such as Spider-man's webbing, Batman's armored costume, and so on. Instead of just solid fabric they add some details for the big screen.

Maybe we will get an almost exact translation of Caps classic costume.
Then again, they may try to make it different just to differentiate from the first Captain America movie, the one the general audience probably doesn't remember:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/moviewallpaper.jpg
If the costume looked mostly like this ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ But with a better plot and better effects, and better acting,
would you like it?

I thought Ross' design was terrible. The black eyes looked sinister, the symbol was all wrong, too much black, not enough red & it was remniscent of the 70's TV show. And yours (no offense) looks kinda like he found a Green Lantern ring.
http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp228/messiahsjedi/DC%20Comics%20Masterpieces/161594-61962-hal-jordan_super.jpg
I am perfectly happy with the direction they went, retaining all the basics with some minor tweaking.
And I think they can capture the essence of Cap's traditional look without it looking ANYTHING like the eyesore from that terrible movie. The fact that they were able to do so with Spidey tells me it can be done.

[marcvader]

It's all in the storytelling and characterization. If those are top notch quality then you can take more chances costume wise. My two cents.

[sdc10]

I personally think they should go with a more WWII era kinda look, then in the Avengers (which is supposed to be a direct sequel) equip him with a more up to date suit.

[aka Kal el]

It's all in the storytelling and characterization. If those are top notch quality then you can take more chances costume wise. My two cents.

I could not have said it better myself friend the only thing I would add is you also need :word: to have the right ACTORS to fit the characters. There are many movie that had great scripts but were totally miscast or vice versa.

[BlackLantern]

It needs to look like something that can take a beating.....for the WW2 outfit, Cap would probably have gear that was "state of the art" or "cutting edge" for that time period....quality of the film aside, Daredevil had one of the best costumes yet

[batsone]

a work in progress, inspired by this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/batsone/2dj8fmr.jpg

i am working on this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/batsone/capt.jpg

[RogueDK]

But, will it translate to film?
Of course it can.

[BlackLantern]

dude....he looks like he needs to poop

[mjbull23]

Classic 616 Cap
http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1442/190213-captain-america_400.jpg

Classic. Iconic. Cap all the way. This is the look I want for the film

[Daredevil_2003]

It needs to look like something that can take a beating.....for the WW2 outfit, Cap would probably have gear that was "state of the art" or "cutting edge" for that time period....quality of the film aside, Daredevil had one of the best costumes yetGlad someone else liked the DD costume. I thought I was all alone. :hehe:

http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1442/190213-captain-america_400.jpg
I actually dont mind this sans one thing: those freakin' pirate boots have to go. They've always looked very silly. I prefer the ultimate's but I can live with the 616 costume as long as those boots go away. They just irritate me. He's Captain America not Captain Jack Sparrow. :oldrazz:

[Doctor Doom]

I hate the pirate boots too. The boots should be a red colour though.

[Daredevil_2003]

Oh most definitely, they were brown in the Ultimates right? It's been about a year since I last read them so I don't recall. They were red in the game Ultimate Alliance, though. Same design boot but the proper color. That's what I'd like.

[BlackLantern]

Oh most definitely, they were brown in the Ultimates right? It's been about a year since I last read them so I don't recall. They were red in the game Ultimate Alliance, though. Same design boot but the proper color. That's what I'd like.

The boots were red, they were just red combat boots with some plating on them....not those floppy pirate things....

[Daredevil_2003]

hmm...don't know where that came from then.

[BlackLantern]

hmm...don't know where that came from then.

at the end of Ultimates Vol 2....the bad guys sneak attack and Cap is on the run just wearing the Cap top and some fatigues and regular boots because he was chilling at home and got caught unawares.....

[Daredevil_2003]

Ah. I remember now. I really need to pick up those up. Part of the reason I haven't read them in so long, more like 2 years now that I think about it, is because I borrowed them from a friend.

[batsone]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/batsone/capA.jpg

[Chris Wallace]

a work in progress, inspired by this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/batsone/2dj8fmr.jpg

i am working on this:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/batsone/capt.jpg

:down

[Daredevil_2003]

I really don't like either lol. Way too much going on and too 'hi-tech' for Cap.

[sabetoonth]

yeah, i like the look for modern costume but in the 40's? more cloth, maybe kevlar

[Daredevil_2003]

Kevlar didn't exist until 1965. Besides, I don't think Cap should wear armor. He never has to the best of my knowledge and it doesn't sit well with me anyhow.

[lixdexia]

Kevlar didn't exist until 1965. Besides, I don't think Cap should wear armor. He never has to the best of my knowledge and it doesn't sit well with me anyhow.
clearly you forgot the nfl super pro armor...

[Chris Wallace]

Kevlar didn't exist until 1965. Besides, I don't think Cap should wear armor. He never has to the best of my knowledge and it doesn't sit well with me anyhow.
Incorrect.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/captain_america_armor.jpg
I'm concerned. I don't want him looking like the Dark kNight & I don't want him looking like the Matt Salinger Cap & I DO NOT want him looking anything like this.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r299/SLM1965/sky-high-commander-stronghold.jpg

[Daredevil_2003]

Uhhh...wut? lol

[sabetoonth]

hes saying he does not want to have captain ameica look like any of the above pics or the new batman

[Chris Wallace]

hes saying he does not want to have captain ameica look like any of the above pics or the new batman

That's what I thought I said.

[Spider-ManHero12]

http://image.comicvine.com:8000/item/2000/1442/190213-captain-america_400.jpg
Simply fantastic. If they dcided ot go with this, the thing I think they will change is the boots. The boots are cool, but I don't think they would work on screen. :up:

[Chris Wallace]

Any belt preferences?

[batsone]

classic Cap.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/batsone/Copyofcaptclassic.jpg

[darthlaney]

nice batsone - my only comment is the the look is top heavy. While I agree the rolled over boot tops probably don't go, it still needs something to 'fill up' the leg area - how about combat pouches around the top of the boot? I remember Batman having something like this in one of Superman elseworld annuals around '93 - they looked cool and thickened the legs

[Brian Braddock]

Does anybody still have that manip that someone made of Cap using Affleck's Daredevil that was posted about a year ago?

The person who did the manip had used the movie poster; I've searched and searched but I cant find it.

Damn, it was an excellent manip too........

[Daredevil_2003]

hes saying he does not want to have captain ameica look like any of the above pics or the new batman

That's what I thought I said.I know, that was my response to how hideous those pics were.

IE: I see them, my head goes "Uhhh...wut?" As in, "What the **** is that ugly ****? Who honestly thought those were good ideas?"

[bryanss3]

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/ultimates11.jpg
His gloves would probably need to be like the Ultimate versions, otherwise it might not stay on. But maybe do away with the pouches on the gloves.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Toon__Ultimate_Captain_America_by_r.jpg
His boots could look like this

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/Colbert.jpg
His shield should cover his torso.

This is sort of a rough sketch of what it might look like:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f358/seanstarrunner/cap%20costume/moviecostumeidearough.jpg

that is definitely what they should do keep in classic but update the boots and gloves. and just be sure to use a the right shade of blue. cause if they use the wrong shade like this. it'll look silly. no matter how well done the costume is.
http://costumzee.com/view/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/captain_america.jpg

[Mr. Todd]

:down

Are you disliking the manip or the origanal drawing more? Just curious.

Incorrect.
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/ghostofjealousy/panther2/captain_america_armor.jpg
I'm concerned. I don't want him looking like the Dark kNight & I don't want him looking like the Matt Salinger Cap & I DO NOT want him looking anything like this.
http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r299/SLM1965/sky-high-commander-stronghold.jpg

You see though, Sky High just had Power Rangers-level production values andI think it would work better than THAT in The Avengers. I still stand by my opinion about the armored design.

that is definitely what they should do keep in classic but update the boots and gloves. and just be sure to use a the right shade of blue. cause if they use the wrong shade like this. it'll look silly. no matter how well done the costume is.
http://costumzee.com/view/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/captain_america.jpg

Annnd this is another great example of "this isn't very good all around regardless of _____". I definitely do agree, though, about bright colors on the suit. Just tone it down a la the SM films and we're in bussiness.

[sabetoonth]

if that is used the new cap will do a heath

[Chris Wallace]

Are you disliking the manip or the origanal drawing more? Just curious.
Both. I just don't like it. At all.


You see though, Sky High just had Power Rangers-level production values andI think it would work better than THAT in The Avengers. I still stand by my opinion about the armored design.

I meant I don't want something on par with that. And again, I don't want a more colorful Batman design.


Annnd this is another great example of "this isn't very good all around regardless of _____". I definitely do agree, though, about bright colors on the suit. Just tone it down a la the SM films and we're in bussiness.Spider-Man proved you can do red & blue without looking absurd.
http://i410.photobucket.com/albums/pp190/FindStuff2/Best%20Images/Movies/Adjusted%20Movies/BESTSpiderMan1.jpg
At the same time, Superman Returns proved that muting the colors can just wreck it.
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t87/illusionreign/superman/Returns.jpg

[boog_spin]

i dont get why there is such hatred for the superman returns costume...i liked the colors..made it look cool i thought...and i really dug the cape, a little heavier and not just a cheap curtain draped over him...and while i agree the costume could have been cut or designed better, i liked the colors a lot...but thats apparently just me haha

[Chris Wallace]

SUperman's supposed to be a bright beacon of hope. The red was entirely too dark, the blue too light, which made a bad contrast. The boots didn't even look red & the symbol was needlessly too small.

[boog_spin]

Simply fantastic. If they dcided ot go with this, the thing I think they will change is the boots. The boots are cool, but I don't think they would work on screen. :up:

i love this look too...i really think it all comes down to the materials used...but this is awesome, love it

[boog_spin]

SUperman's supposed to be a bright beacon of hope. The red was entirely too dark, the blue too light, which made a bad contrast. The boots didn't even look red & the symbol was needlessly too small.

i understand that...but i think the reeve costume was entirely too bright...i see what you're saying...i have seen some amazing manips on the superman boards that make it a little brighter while tweaking a few things...maybe i just liked a more modern appraoch to the materials and colors that made it less "comic bookie" if ya know what i mean :yay:

[chris moore]

No plating, no armoured segments. Not a direct copy of the Ultimate uniform as the boots and gloves could do without excessive pockets (just one small one per boot/glove to conceal a watch/compass/plastic explosive/detonator or something). But please for his modern era one do not give him the helmet with chin strap Volume 2 of Ultimates went with.

The ultimate uniform can work well on screen and maintains enough of the iconic elements that the greyish under arms and more military style boots and gloves can stay without detracting too much from the original 616 design.

There is no point going the Batman or Night Owl style suit and trying to explain it onscreen as to why its rubberised or plated. Captain America needs to have a similar degree of flexibility as Spider-Man even if he's not going to be pulling off quite the same moves. His agility, speed etc are far greater than the on screen heroes who get away with moulded (to whatever degree) suits. The material should be more like the FF on screen suits, but a slightly thicker, less spandexy texture and look. The areas that require less flexibility and are likely to take more hits/be a target for gunfire should be more durable than most of it (ie) the majority of the torso.

Because he's the one and only supersoldier, even in the modern age when he's reawoken (if anything past his WW2 days are shown in the movie) it should be determined by the government that his suit should be composed of any and all R&D tri-weave nanotube carbon fiber.kevlar combo materials they'ev developed but decided were too explensive to put into production. If one G.I suit is gonna be made from the best of the best materials engineering tech, it should be Cap's. This will allow for a non-leather looking, 4mm thick(ish) fairly tight suit that can withstand small calibre weapons while retaining flexibility and breathability.

For the WW2? Hitch pretty much nailed it - no problems there.

[Daredevil_2003]

I've got my heart set on the Ultimate Captain America costume for Avengers, but I wouldn't mind something like the Secret War Cap, either. Actually, I'm growing to love the idea. Awesome costume.

http://savetheocean.net/photos/images/Cappy.jpg

[RogueDK]

if that is used the new cap will do a heath
:hehe::hehe::hehe:

[tamron]

http://savetheocean.net/photos/images/Cappy.jpg

That looks more like a speed skating suit than Captain America.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7137/shani47393.jpg

[Daredevil_2003]

lol and the original costume doesn't? They're both "spandex" my friend...the classic just has far more in your face American flag get up.

[CrimsonMist]

I dont want to sound like a jerk or anything, as i'm not the world's biggest Captain America fan(i've only read Brubaker's stuff and a bunch of my dad's Golden Age & Atlas era reprints and whatever else my dad had when he bought comics in the day), but are people really serious in that they want to see Captain America running around in his Ultimates WW2 costume for an ENTIRE movie? Personally, i hate the hell out of that costume. It's ugly. Practical or not in the "real world", the original 616 costume is what should, and in all probability, will be used. Show the Ultimates costume to Joe Schmoe and he'll have no idea who it is. Show him the 616 costume, he'll know it's Captain America.

Give him the 616 costume for his film. In The Avengers, give him something similar to the modern Ultimates costume, but get rid of the stars on his shoulders, get rid of the helmet and chin straps. Give him a cowl. And keep the wings. Modern Ultimate Cap looks naked without them. It really looks like he's missing something. Make the costume technologically modern in some aspects, but keep it classic.

[Hobodeluxe]

I'd personally prefer this sans the "A" on the forehead (always hated that)

http://www.geektyrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/capwwiiqj8.jpg

and stay with this style, maybe updating a slight bit,round shield,for the Avengers. No 616 plz.

[jab1118]

I dont want to sound like a jerk or anything, as i'm not the world's biggest Captain America fan(i've only read Brubaker's stuff and a bunch of my dad's Golden Age & Atlas era reprints and whatever else my dad had when he bought comics in the day), but are people really serious in that they want to see Captain America running around in his Ultimates WW2 costume for an ENTIRE movie? Personally, i hate the hell out of that costume. It's ugly. Practical or not in the "real world", the original 616 costume is what should, and in all probability, will be used. Show the Ultimates costume to Joe Schmoe and he'll have no idea who it is. Show him the 616 costume, he'll know it's Captain America.

I had the same thought even though Caps ww2 costume is more realistic its not recognizable as Cap. Maybe for a portion of the movie then they upgrade. Also were talking about a genetically inhanced super soldier with a shield made out of a fictional metal I dont think its a stretch to say here is a uniform made out of top secret technology. And as to the muted color stuff I am for taking the colors straight from the flag which is a very dark blue just like what that speed skater has on

[chris moore]

I wouldnt really want the WWII costume for a whole movie either. But one of the major problems with the 90's movie (other than most of it ;) ) is that they spent so little time in the war that you felt like he had no right being the beacon he was supposed to be. The war years are integral to the character, and his displacement in time feeds into who he is and what he strives for in modern times. So the war will have to be covered. But if he's Cap for five minutes before getting iced, then he'll never become a legend or the greatest fighter and therefore will have no place in the Avengers. So they'll probably have to spend a lot of time in the 40's in this first movie to establish his legend (unless they do the first act in the 40's with the latter half of it being a semi-montage of training and victory over the Nazis). If thats the case, then the uniform will have to be more of a uniform than a costume, but with the flags colours and vague design emblazoned on there to inspire the troops around him.

[Antonello Blueberry]

Captain America should wear denim. What's more American than Blue jeans?
Even if denim trousers were invented here in Italy...

[jab1118]

I wouldnt really want the WWII costume for a whole movie either. But one of the major problems with the 90's movie (other than most of it ;) ) is that they spent so little time in the war that you felt like he had no right being the beacon he was supposed to be. The war years are integral to the character, and his displacement in time feeds into who he is and what he strives for in modern times. So the war will have to be covered. But if he's Cap for five minutes before getting iced, then he'll never become a legend or the greatest fighter and therefore will have no place in the Avengers. So they'll probably have to spend a lot of time in the 40's in this first movie to establish his legend (unless they do the first act in the 40's with the latter half of it being a semi-montage of training and victory over the Nazis). If thats the case, then the uniform will have to be more of a uniform than a costume, but with the flags colours and vague design emblazoned on there to inspire the troops around him.

Oh I want the whole movie to take place in WW2 and I believe its been confirmed it will I just dont want him in the ultimate WW2 costume the whole flick have him upgrade to something more traditional during the war. And Ihave a feeling the movie will cover the whole war so they can freeze him at the end. Your right he cant be frozen right away so show a montage of his missions maybe wearing the WW2 costume toshow he has been a hero for years

[Rage]

I think that they need to show an evolution in his costume. I also think that they have to keep in mind the textures and fabrics of the time. That is why I really like something very similar to the Ultimates WWII version of the suit. While I am a really big 616 version of Cap... the Ultimate version seems to be "truer" to the time period. I think that he can have his public appearance costume and his "fatigues" like any other soldier.

Rage

[FVD]

Captain America should wear denim. What's more American than Blue jeans?
Even if denim trousers were invented here in Italy...

:up:

The wings and the A needs to stay. I don't mind Cap's Ultimate attire in WWII but for the general audience the 616 costume would probably be more recognisable. As for the Pirate Boots they can easily be toned down to military standards. I think Steve Epting's illustrations in the Brubaker run shows that Cap's classic attire can stand up to today's standards.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/geekspeak/archives/CaptainAmericaBrubakerOmnibusCover1-thumb.jpg

I also hope the movie will utilise the title font as well.

[afan]

As for the Pirate Boots they can easily be toned down to military standards.


I really don't think the boots should be altered. After all Captain America is a "swashbuckler" in that he carries a shield (buckle) on his fore arm, and the boot style is consistent with that theme.

[Daredevil_2003]

N. O. lol I hate those boots, Cap's 616 costume does look badass even today (still prefer Ultimate :D), but the pirate boots are an eyesore no matter how they're drawn.

[BlackLantern]

The pirate boots are stupid....any soldier will tell you that boots with that extra material flapping out there are hazardous

[Michellemabelle]

I think I'd like to see a costume similar to the one in the WWII scened of The Ultimates, and the modern Ultimates costume in The Avengers.

[Daredevil_2003]

The pirate boots are stupid....any soldier will tell you that boots with that extra material flapping out there are hazardousExactly...and Cap may have some swashbuckler in him, but he's still a soldier. Maybe a super soldier that fights supervillains with nothing but his fists and shield,but a soldier nevertheless.

[afan]

Exactly...and Cap may have some swashbuckler in him, but he's still a soldier. Maybe a super soldier that fights supervillains with nothing but his fists and shield,but a soldier nevertheless.

....and all soldiers have little birdie wings on their helmets.

Point being one may not prefer the aesthetics of the "pirate boots", but to base an argument that they don't belong on the costume because soldiers don't wear them is a bit absurd.

Another tie to the swashbuckler influence.....
Why is he a "captain"? It's not his rank, so why not arbitrarily call him Sargeant or Leuitenant or Major America. It's because Captain has the pirate connection, i.e. Captain Hook, Captain Blood, Captain Kidd, etc. It's intentional to follow the swashbuckling adventure theme, which the boots are part of.

[Daredevil_2003]

The wings are stupid, too, but I can deal with those. And as far as I'm aware Cap was bestowed the rank of Captain. I know for sure he was in The Ultimates. But regardless of that, he was made into a propaganda symbol and super soldier who engaged in intelligence gathering, counter-intelligence, and direct action raids against the Nazis. That sounds much more like a commando/war bonds spokesperson than a swashbuckling rogue in the vein of pirates.

I've never once heard this 'connection' brought out till now. A pair of silly boots in this case are just that. If you have something from the creators stating they intended this parallel, by all means, I will stand corrected.

PS: Did I mention they're just plain goofy? Even for a guy in an American flag costume? Because, that's the primary argument against them....

[afan]

Steve Rogers the "soldier" had a rank of private. Captain America was the super-hero code name given to his alter ego. I don't belive that it had any connection to a military ranking.

Unfortunately I cannot locate any documentation re. a swashbuckler influence in the character's development by Simon and Kirby, it's purely my conjecture, but the evidence (boots and shield) is clearly there.

[Chris Wallace]

"Captain" is in this case just a name, just like Captain Marvel or Captain Boomerang.

[chris moore]

Rehardless of the reason for the comic books naming him "Captain", in terms of Captain America, a product of military research and funding; his title of Captain makes sense because a Captain in the military generally commands a company of soldiers, and this would have been the sort of number of men Cap and Bucky led into battle against specific threats. Even his Ultimate Cap debut has him the lead of an operation consisting of several planes worth of infantry soldiers - probably the 200 or so a company comprises.

This makes Captain and valid title for the character within the "realism" of the movie. The reason for the boots back then were because before the introduction of costumed or super heroes there were only the pictorialised adventures of Sinbad, Robin Hood, and other men whose exploits took them to the far reaches of the modern world in order to perfectly capture the escapism of industrial revolution, economic crisis, war and turmoil throughout the world. Even before then, the only people who wore anything vaguely skintight outside of the circus acrobats and strongmen (the superhumans of the 19th and early 20thC) were the pirates, naval men and buccaneers.

So from the writers and artists point of view, yeah they chose those boots because it was the only examples of "costumes" in fiction they had. But for this movie, the more military style would make more sense, particularly because we KNOW that he will be frozen and waken in the modern era where he'll have a more traditional superhero outfit.

[Chris Wallace]

I don't like all the suggestions that his colors be muted or that his suit be stealthy; that's not his style at all. He wants the enemy to see him coming.

[Daredevil_2003]

I don't think the general consensus is that they should be muted so much as darkened. I don't want colors toned down at all. They need to be strong, but more like the actual shades on the flag. That deep royal blue and scarlet red. That's my take on the colors, at least. Maybe some folks do want it desaturated. :hehe: But they be crazy.

[BlackLantern]

I don't think the general consensus is that they should be muted so much as darkened. I don't want colors toned down at all. They need to be strong, but more like the actual shades on the flag. That deep royal blue and scarlet red. That's my take on the colors, at least. Maybe some folks do want it desaturated. :hehe: But they be crazy.

I agree...I just don't like the pirate boots and think the wings should be smaller or running along the helmet....keep those colors popping tho

[afrayedknot]

I was just wondering . . . could they make Cap's wings some sort of receiver, like in Batman Begins? Or would it suffer from comparison?

[chris moore]

That'd be a secondary usefulness of them being there really. I have no problem with them having that function. But they can already be there as the wings of liberty just like Batman's as a prt of the overall giant bat look. Having them as receivers is more "you know, while we've got these external thingies wouldnt it be useful to incorporate your radio into them Cap?"

[maninthechair]

Normally I go with the traditional aspects, but have to say for Cap I prefer the Ultimate version personally. Very loyal to the traditional costume with some minor tweaks. I think its great

[Agent 194]

It's up to the film makers to make it work but I have to say, especially for this character, they've got to go with the classic costume. They do that for Superman. Why not Cap? He doesn't need a utility belt and a sex shop gimp chin strap. I know.... I'm old school but this is as classic a character as Superman. You can't mess with that. I would be fine if the word "Ultimates" were in no way associated with this movie. Then again I'm of the opinion that it need not exist at all.

[Agent 194]

Also, as someone who's old enough to have seen the couple of awful TV movies (I think it was CBS) I'd like to see them do the costume right. Not make his mask a motorcycle helmet with wings painted on the side.

[WillardNation]

It's up to the film makers to make it work but I have to say, especially for this character, they've got to go with the classic costume. They do that for Superman. Why not Cap? He doesn't need a utility belt and a sex shop gimp chin strap. I know.... I'm old school but this is as classic a character as Superman. You can't mess with that. I would be fine if the word "Ultimates" were in no way associated with this movie. Then again I'm of the opinion that it need not exist at all.

^^^^completely agreed

[chris moore]

I think they have to be very careful. Even with using the classic costume. Because we've seen what some "minor modern tweaks" can do by what the Superman Returns costume came out like. Its still the classic. But the chest emblem was too small, they shrunk his pants and muted the colours too much. Like "We added the chest harness because it just made sense to have something for his to attach his shield to when he isnt carrying it. In the comics its always shown slung over like a backpack, but we didnt think the long straps would be sensible to hold when he's carrying it on his arm"

Cassaday's overall design could work. He draws realistically enough to get a good idea. The mask has a certain rigidity to it and doesnt look like stretched rubber like the 90's movie.

[Chris Wallace]

I was just wondering . . . could they make Cap's wings some sort of receiver, like in Batman Begins? Or would it suffer from comparison?

I'd rather they didn't. I put that suggestion right up there with the idea of Spider-Man using his armpit webbing as glider wings.

[Chris Wallace]

I think they have to be very careful. Even with using the classic costume. Because we've seen what some "minor modern tweaks" can do by what the Superman Returns costume came out like. Its still the classic. But the chest emblem was too small, they shrunk his pants and muted the colours too much. Like "We added the chest harness because it just made sense to have something for his to attach his shield to when he isnt carrying it. In the comics its always shown slung over like a backpack, but we didnt think the long straps would be sensible to hold when he's carrying it on his arm"

Cassaday's overall design could work. He draws realistically enough to get a good idea. The mask has a certain rigidity to it and doesnt look like stretched rubber like the 90's movie.
I agree that muting the color scheme would be a horrible idea. I would like to think Superman Returns definitively & profoundly taught us that lesson. And any similarity between the new suit & that abomination Salinger wore should be almost coincidental.
As for the shield straps, who says they have to obey the rules?
Keaton wore at least 3 different capes in the movies, & nobody seemed to notice or care that in some scenes the cape was folded over the edges of the cowl,
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/realtimewithchrispark/batman_1989_9.jpg
while in others it clearly wasn't.
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww218/MJB01333333/Batman1989.jpg
They just adapted it to the needs of the shot. They could do the same for Cap's shiled; long, shoulder-accomodating straps for when that particular device is needed, smaller, more modest handles for when it's not.

[sdc10]

I agree that muting the color scheme would be a horrible idea. I would like to think Superman Returns definitively & profoundly taught us that lesson. And any similarity between the new suit & that abomination Salinger wore should be almost coincidental.
As for the shield straps, who says they have to obey the rules?
Keaton wore at least 3 different capes in the movies, & nobody seemed to notice or care that in some scenes the cape was folded over the edges of the cowl,
http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t347/realtimewithchrispark/batman_1989_9.jpg
while in others it clearly wasn't.
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww218/MJB01333333/Batman1989.jpg
They just adapted it to the needs of the shot. They could do the same for Cap's shiled; long, shoulder-accomodating straps for when that particular device is needed, smaller, more modest handles for when it's not.

I think that would just end up annoying me especially if its noticeable, one thing about DD that just annoyed the hell out of me was that I had no idea how the hell his billy clubs functioned in doing all the things they were shown to do.

[chris moore]

Well, I suppose they can't really have two sets of straps; one longer, slightly stretchy pair rim to rim for across the back carrying and one shorter pair in the centre and rim for combat holding. It'd throw off all the aerodynamics and would just look plain funny on screen if they ever showed the underside as it flew through the air

[Agent 194]

They just adapted it to the needs of the shot. They could do the same for Cap's sheild; long, shoulder-accomodating straps for when that particular device is needed, smaller, more modest handles for when it's not.


Exactly!! That's the key Chris. It's a movie. They need to do some movie type things and trick us. William Shatner had the regular Beatles type boots with heels he wore as Captain Kirk most of the time. Yet when he's running or doing some sort of action scen they are clearly black shoes without the heels. It serves the purpose of making the story, the actor, the action. . .everything run smoother without being distracting. Gene Colan would make Iron Man's eyes look angry, sad, surprised, ...whatever...to fit the mood of the moment. This is all within the confines of an immovable mask. It's called artistic liscence. I remember a time when artists, movie makers....did this without trying to make it so realistic.

Oh.....and please...don't make it some fish net weave pattern material like Spider-Man did, like Superman copied and like they are now doing evidently, since I mentioned it above, with Star Trek. I've hated it with every iteration it's been used.

[chris moore]

I really don't like the idea of them silk screening the main material with a tiny little pattern to "give it texture".

The straps thing could work by making them one centre strap to go over the forearm, and two rim straps so he can hold it on his arm in at least two places. Each of those rim straps have their ends about eight inches apart and when snapped a certain way become more stretchable to put his arms through like backpack straps (like those cool old wristband things that were straight until you slapped them on your wrist - but way more techy and scientific without being miniature copies of "memory cloth")

[Chris Wallace]

Well, I suppose they can't really have two sets of straps; one longer, slightly stretchy pair rim to rim for across the back carrying and one shorter pair in the centre and rim for combat holding. It'd throw off all the aerodynamics and would just look plain funny on screen if they ever showed the underside as it flew through the air

The point is, you'd never see the underside. Your post seems a little contradictory.

[sabetoonth]

Well, I suppose they can't really have two sets of straps; one longer, slightly stretchy pair rim to rim for across the back carrying and one shorter pair in the centre and rim for combat holding. It'd throw off all the aerodynamics and would just look plain funny on screen if they ever showed the underside as it flew through the air
they most likely could put 4 straps on it, longer ones for backpacking it and shorter ones for weilding it, or adjustable strpas

[Agent 194]

I will say this.....with the economy as it is, the world matters as they are....doesn't it just make sense to do his suit and it's colors as they've always been? No dumbed down, toned down, darkened or muted colors. If ever there was a time to do it....USA! USA! USA!... ... ...