Contest Of Marvels (Season 3) - Thread 4

[Phaedrus45]

My Votes:

Amadeus Cho

Agent X

Starlord

Shathra

[POWdER-man]

Shathra
Agent X
Starlord
...
Cho The kid hacked into SHIELD, he can find some information on Washout.

[wiegeabo]

WashoutI kept going back and forth on this one. But a couple of things gives Washout the slight edge for me. First, they're on an island surrounded by water, which would also be in the building's pipes. Second, Cho is going to need some amount of time to control the base's systems. It's not much, but it was enough for me.

Agent X

StarlordAnother tough one. I think Starlord has the edge in weapons and experience.

ShathraAs good as Asgardians are, the do fall. And Shathra's got the agility and abilities to bring Hogun down.

[JewishHobbit]

Agent X
Penance
Shathra
Amadeus Cho
I loved Washout in Weapon X, but I really do think Cho can think his way out of this one. Everything from deyhdration, to flushing him down a drain, to spreading him out into the ocean. I just think Cho can actually pull this one off.

[Ahura Mazda]

Washout

Agent X

Penance - no debate to show Starlord would survive the first attack

Hogun

[Harlekin]

Amadeus Cho
Whirlwind
Starlord (Peter Quill)
Shathra

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Amadeus Cho defeats Washout 6-2

Agent X defeats Whirlwind 7-1

Starlord defeats Penance 5-2

Shathra defeats Hogun 7-1

[Phaedrus45]

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Bracket 7

Match 1:

Annihilus (AHURAMAZDA) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilus)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/annihilus-1.jpg

vs.

Goblin Queen (PHAEDRUS45) link (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/gq.html)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/goblinqueen.jpg

Match 2:

Sage (MIDNIGHTICE) link (http://www.mutanthigh.com/tessa.html)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/sage.jpg

vs.

Spider-Man 2099 (WIEGEABO) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man_2099)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/spidey2099.jpg

[Phaedrus45]

Bracket 8

Match 1:

Magneto (PHAEDRUS45) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto_(comics))

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/magneto-1.jpg

vs.

Proctor (WIEGEABO) link (http://marvel.com/universe/Proctor)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/proctor.jpg

Match 2:

The Master (PHAEDRUS45) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_the_World_(comics))

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vs.

Storm (MIDNIGHTICE) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storm_(Marvel_Comics))

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/storm.jpg

[Phaedrus45]

Debates May Begin!

Next Location = Attilan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attilan

So, this location is on the Blue Area of the Moon. No inhabitants, and obviously day or nighttime does not effect it.

[Phaedrus45]

Opening Debate: Magneto vs. Proctor

Everyone knows Magneto; but, not too many would be that familiar with Proctor. He's an awesome powerhouse; but, he simply got the bad luck of the draw, in many regards.

Let's look at Proctor's Bio:

*Proctor possessed superhuman strength, speed, stamina, reflexes and agility. He was also able to project destructive energy beams from his eyes. He was a formidable hand-to-hand combatant.

*Proctor was an expert in the use of highly advanced technology of unknown origin. Proctor was a telepath as well, mastering the skills of telepathy, psionic ability to manipulate the chemical composition of the human brain.


Pretty cool, huh? Except, the most threatening of abilities to most of the competition in this contest is rendered null and void by Magneto's helmet. The voters can just scratch out the second part of his power listing, because it has no effect on Magneto. That just leaves his energy beams and hand-to-hand combat...which, Magneto has faced many times, and often in great numbers against him.

Now, there is one other factor that totally screws Proctor in this battle: Location, location, location! Just read the following quote:

"Some time later, Magneto returned to Wundagore, searching for his past, and casually learned, from the lips of Bova herself, the truth about Wanda and Pietro. Excited to finally know the truth, Magneto traveled to Attilan, home of the Inhumans in Earth's Moon, where Wanda had traveled to in order to meet her newborn niece, Luna. Magneto told the pair the news, and held his granddaughter in his arms. "

This doesn't even bring in the fact that Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch have both joined with their father on a few occassions, and he'd have further information about Attilan. Scarlet Witch was involved in the Proctor situation during Avengers, and afterwards at some time, joined up with her father. I conclude that daddy would have a fair idea of who Proctor is.

To me, there isn't much else to say. Proctor had a great chance of advancing in this contest; but, meeting up with Magneto has totally screwed up his chances of getting beyond Round 1.

Winner = Magneto

[Phaedrus45]

Opening Debate: The Master vs. Storm

I got screwed! No, it's not because I have to face Storm in this match-up, it's because I really believe the luck of the draw has made me choose between two of my top-rated characters next round, Magneto and The Master. I truly don't know who to pick, because while Magneto is so awesome, The Master is equally powerful. Let's look at The Master's Bio:

*The Master of the World is approximately 40,000 years old. After he was experimented on by the Plodex ship, he underwent the reconstruction of his entire body (except for his brain) by Plodex technology, granting him superhuman powers.

*The master has the agility beyond that of a normal human, which he gained after he altered his body. He has enhanced reflexes, that were fast enough to slice Warbird with a sword. His speed can reach 61- 65 mph (105 km/h). His stamina is so high that he can sustain peak physical extertion for several hours before fatigue impairs performance. Also, his strength is enhanced, and he was able to break Sasquatch's arm by, after dodging Sasquatch's attack, grabbing it with both hands and breaking it.

*He is also a master of hand to hand combat, as he learned the techniques 40,000 years ago, retaining his knowledge of hand-to-hand combat from his days as a tribal warrior. He knows all human pressure points, which was shown when he knocked out Namor the Sub-Mariner with a single punch.

*His suit also has many benefits, allowing him teleportation and flight. His helmet and battlesuit are composed of an unknown metal, including cybernetic mesh enabling the Master to control Plodex technology through mental commands. Devices within the Master’s helmet and battlesuit enable him to cast illusions disguising his appearance. He is able to create a force field that can ward off attacks. Also, he is able to shoot energy blasts with his suit, and it enables him to disperse electromagnetism, which was shown when he was able to control Guardian I's suit. The Master designed this battlesuit using his knowledge of Plodex technology. He is self-educated in all recorded knowledge of Earth humanity up to the present, and of the alien Plodex (as of forty thousand years ago) through mental linkage with computers in the starship base.


It's kind of useless, but I'll present Storm's Bio:

*AbilitiesWeather manipulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comic_book_superpowers#Weather_manipulatio n),
Flight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight),
Energy perception,
Ecological empathy,
Resistance to the effects of the weather and extreme heat and cold,
Latent natural magic abilities

Pretty neat, but Storm's clearly screwed here. Not only is The Master going to be extremely knowledgable about his opponent, but Storm will be severly limited in her abilities by being on Earth's Moon.

Winner = The Master

[Phaedrus45]

Opening Debate: Annihilus vs. Goblin Queen

While it's difficult to locate some good information on Goblin Queen, the link provided really gives a clue into her power levels.

Here are some things I'd like to point out from Goblin Queen's bio:

*during Inferno, Maddie was apparently forced to deal with S'ym and N'astrih in order to save Scotty, whom they had kidnapped. As a result, she saved her son and the entire planet, and also activated a heretofore unknown power of telekinesis.

*Maddie acted as co-leader of the Six, but has been corrupted into the Goblin Queen by an unknown evil force. She controlled The Fallen (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/fallen.html), and killed the Green Goblin and a clone of Man-Spider (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/manspider.html), framing it on her teammate, Brute. Then she restored the Brute's intellect and forced him to request his own execution. After his death, Maddie somehow resurrected the Brute, who was now completely under her control. Finally, she attacked and possessed the remainder of the Six, even curing Ice-Man of his hyper-frozen state. She then attacked the Fantastic Four, put Johnny Storm and Susan Richards under her thrall, and convinced Reed Richards to join her. When Ben Grimm tried to stop her, she blasted him out the window.

Just these two passages shows the extent of Maddie's powers. She's basically an ultra-evil version of Jean Grey. Her ability to control the mind of others is really shown in the extent of her taking over the minds of her teammates, The Fallen. Also, she's powerful enough to kill the Green Goblin, The Brute, and Man-Spider. It was only after the combined might of Dr. Strange, Havoc, and the Defenders that she was stopped from her evil plans.

Now, I've read Annihilus' abilities, and there is nothing that I see that can stop Maddie's powers from taking him over. He is extremely powerful; but, there is one weakness, and that's what Maddie's powers are able to exploit.

Winner = Goblin Queen

[Midnight Ice]

Sage VS Spider-Man 2099

Wow, what a cool matchup. Lets look at each's powers:

Sage
-Sage's main mutant power is the ability to sense the mutant potential in others, activate it under the proper circumstances, and to advance existing mutants into the next level of their power.

-Her mutation also grants a computer mind—in addition to possessing a perfect memory, she can process data much faster than even the fastest of computers—whatever she sees, she remembers. Whatever she remembers, can be recalled in an instant, with perfect clarity, and analyzed with greater speed and accuracy than computers. She uses these "computer-like" abilities in order to analyze and catalogue a latent mutant's or mutant's DNA, necessary for concluding the proper modifications before she jumpstarts them. She also uses this ability to analyze combat situations, her general environment and the behavior of others

-Sage multitasks on a superhuman level and it is implied she is constantly tackling many mental obstacles at once. In X-Men Unlimited vol. 2 #1 (April 2004), Sage battles an opponent, reviews previous battle footage from memory, and plays an Internet game of chess simultaneously, with little or no effort at all.

-Due to her power, as well as her experiences growing up in wartime, Sage is a formidable fighter. In-comic narration has explicitly established that her combat skills and experience are as deadly as Wolverine's.[8]. Sage observes all the elements of her adversary's fighting style (physical cues, ability, etc.), she analyzes his/her/their fighting style, and predicts probabilities of attack and angles of motion. At the same time she can control her own body completely, allowing her to adapt her movements virtually instantaneously and appropriately to the data.

Spider-Man 2099
-Much like the current Spider-Man, 2099 has the proportionate agility and strength of a spider.

-Spinnerets in his forearms enable him to fire an organic spider-webbing-like substance from the top of his wrists

-pronounced, pointed canine teeth, which allows him to paralyze his foes should he choose to bite them

-No spider sense, but advanced hearing and vision

-Cape that allows him to glide

All of SM2009's powers are nice, but Sage can easily defeat him. Sage may not have ever met SM2009, but there is PLENTY of footage and data of the 616 Spider-Man for Sage to study. She could analyze enough data to win this match within minutes of her 24 hours of her prep time.

Sage would easily be able to predict all of SM2009's moves and tactics and dodge or counter them. With him not being able to land a hit, and Sage's fighting being as deadly as Wolverine, the match wouldn't last long. At first I thought that the main obstacle for Sage would be getting around SM2009's spider sense, but then I remembered that he doesn't have that, just enhanced vision and hearing. Those two enhancements wont help in a hand to hand fight.

Winner: Sage

[Ahura Mazda]

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Bracket 7

Match 1:

Annihilus (AHURAMAZDA) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilus)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/annihilus-1.jpg

vs.

Goblin Queen (PHAEDRUS45) link (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/gq.html)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/goblinqueen.jpg


I have been looking at this battle and really I do not see how the current Goblin Queen can win.

For memory's sake this is the same Annihlus who led the Annighlation wave from the negative zone which threatenned to conquer the known universe.

Here are his powers:

Annihilus is capable of self-propelled flight and can withstand the vacuum of space. He wears "armor"—actually an insectoid exoskeleton with some armored components—that grants him resistance to most forms of injury (extreme temperatures, ballistic force, bullets, etc.)

He is also superhumanly strong.

Annihilus wields the Cosmic Control Rod, a weapon of great power. It allows him to manipulate cosmic energy in order to manipulate the molecular structure of matter. The rod is capable of projecting vast amounts of destructive energy and concussive force. Continuous exposure to the cosmic energies of the rod has also retarded the aging process of its wielder, making Annihilus virtually immortal. Though not always engaging himself in direct combat, Annihilus has proved to be a formidable opponent, and was able to easily defeat the Thing and Blastaar in individual fights. Annihilus also sometimes wields energy pistols based on Tyannan technology that he has modified.

In Annihilation: Nova, Annihilus killed Quasar, and gained his Quantum Bands, adding to Annihilus' power. By using these in combination with most of his stores power reserves Annihilus was able to withstand a massive blast from Galactus in the Annihilation series. While the blast decimated his entire army, along with several solar systems, Annihilus was able to survive.

He also leads an elite personal guard, the Centurions, 100 superpowered aliens, each from a different Negative Zone world. They are extremely loyal to him and form a devastatingly effective army.

He was able to withstand a simultaneous assault by Nova (now the sole recipient of the energies once dispersed throughout the entire Nova Corps and hundreds if not thousands of times more powerful than ever before), and Quasar, who has been an even match in combat with the Silver Surfer. In fact, as was previously mentioned, he overpowered and killed Quasar with very little apparent effort. This may be due to Annihilus seizing control of the "Opposing Force" described as being the Negative Zone's version of the Power Cosmic, part of which he bestowed upon Ravenous and other Seekers (beings empowered with the Opposing Force with the intention of hunting down powered individuals and harvesting their energies for Annihilus' use).

Though Annihilus has knowledge and mastery of technology centuries beyond what is known on Earth, his intelligence is only above average compared to normal humans; his sole motivation is to conquer and he is not an original thinker.

Madelyne Pryor is a telepath with telekinetics.

There is one power that Madelaine Pryor will find unuseful and that is telepathy. The main reason I state this is that Moondragon and others who were all telepaths could do nothing to stop Annihlus. Therefore Maddie will also be unable to stop Annihlus especially by attempting to control his insect like mind formed in the Negative Zone.

The battle which will not involve that much preparation given the total lack of knowledge of their opponents. However, there should be some limited knowledge of the battlefield.

This will be telekinesis versus the negative zone's version of the power cosmic. One thing to note whereas Pryor is a fine human athlete, Annihlus is a super strong (stronger then the Thing or Blastaar), super resistant creature that can fly.

Both can use their powers from afar and I would suggest that best, Madelaine could cancel out Annihlus' powers using her own leading to a stalemate but only one can defeat the other up close and that is Annihlus. Also note that Annihlus has no qualms about hurting anyone.

Winner = Annihlus

[Ahura Mazda]

Rebuttal: Annihilus vs. Goblin Queen



While it's difficult to locate some good information on Goblin Queen, the link provided really gives a clue into her power levels.

Here are some things I'd like to point out from Goblin Queen's bio:

*during Inferno, Maddie was apparently forced to deal with S'ym and N'astrih in order to save Scotty, whom they had kidnapped. As a result, she saved her son and the entire planet, and also activated a heretofore unknown power of telekinesis.

*Maddie acted as co-leader of the Six, but has been corrupted into the Goblin Queen by an unknown evil force. She controlled The Fallen (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/fallen.html), and killed the Green Goblin and a clone of Man-Spider (http://www.mutanthigh.com/alternatex/mutantx/manspider.html), framing it on her teammate, Brute. Then she restored the Brute's intellect and forced him to request his own execution. After his death, Maddie somehow resurrected the Brute, who was now completely under her control. Finally, she attacked and possessed the remainder of the Six, even curing Ice-Man of his hyper-frozen state. She then attacked the Fantastic Four, put Johnny Storm and Susan Richards under her thrall, and convinced Reed Richards to join her. When Ben Grimm tried to stop her, she blasted him out the window.

Just these two passages shows the extent of Maddie's powers. She's basically an ultra-evil version of Jean Grey. Her ability to control the mind of others is really shown in the extent of her taking over the minds of her teammates, The Fallen. Also, she's powerful enough to kill the Green Goblin, The Brute, and Man-Spider. It was only after the combined might of Dr. Strange, Havoc, and the Defenders that she was stopped from her evil plans.

Now, I've read Annihilus' abilities, and there is nothing that I see that can stop Maddie's powers from taking him over. He is extremely powerful; but, there is one weakness, and that's what Maddie's powers are able to exploit.


There is no indication her telepathy would do anything against a creature that greater telepaths (Moondragon) were unable to defeat or even affect. The Man-Spider and the fallen do not come close to Annihlus. First off he is a creature from the negatiove zone and second he has an insect like mind. Last, no telepath has ever affected him.

Annihlation would not have happenned if telepathy could have defeated him. It simply cannot.

Which leaves telekinesis and as I indicate above it will at best (which I do not think she can do) only force Annihlus to physically beat her down which he would be very apt to do.

Winner = Annihlus

[Phaedrus45]

Ahura, this is not Madelyne Pryor, it's Goblin Queen from Mutant X. (Yes, that's Madelyne, but an alternate Earth version. Plus, I'm not using the most recent appearance of that version, as it would be too uber...the most recent has powers of the Beyonder.)

Feel free to change your opening debate if you need, and we can start over.

[wiegeabo]

Proctor vs Magneto

Holy crap is this going to be a kick ass battle of titans.

Everyone is pretty familiar with Magneto's powers. Which means Proctor will be as well (or at least will have little trouble learning about him if he didn't already know about him).

But the same can't be said for Magneto. Because even if he knew about Proctor, he wouldn't know of all of Proctor's tricks. What are these tricks?

Proctor can fire energy from his eyes. Not a big deal for Magneto since he routinely blocks Cyclops' beams, but will let Proctor start probing Magneto's abilities.

Telepathy. Proctor doesn't have the normal telepathy that Magneto is used to fighting off. In fact, Proctor's telepathy is a little more like telekinesis. He can screw with the chemicals in the brain, causing a variety of effects (especially pain). Now, Magneto's helmet protects him from telepathy, and despite the different way Proctor's works, may protect him here. If so, Proctor will just stop trying it (it's not like he has to stop fighting to use this power). If the helmet doesn't provide protection, or Proctor gets it off Magneto, Erik is in for a world of hurt (remember, tk does work on the helmet).

Teleportation. Not only can Proctor jump around, keeping Magneto guessing, if things start going badly, he can jump to a safe location, buying himself a some precious time to heal and plot. Most importantly, Proctor can jump inside Magneto's forcefield. And when that happens, Mags is essentially at his mercy (remember, Proctor is an expert at hand to hand combat).

Superhuman durability, strength, speed. Proctor can take out a lot of what Magneto can dish, and has accelerated healing to boot. Buying Proctor essential fighting time.

Then there's the big equalizer. The Ebony Blade. This provides Proctor with two distinct advantages. First, immortality. As long as Proctor maintains possession of the Blade, he cannot die. Second, the Blade can cut through anything. Even energy. And that means Magneto's forcefield.

But wait, you may say, Magneto can pull the Blade to him and control it. But remember, not everything is magnetic. The Blade is made from alien material and is highly enchanted.


When it boils down to it, Proctor has dedicated his life to killing all versions of Sersi. So, while like Magneto he is accustomed to fighting all types of opponents, Proctor can face down a very powerful mystic like Sersi and survive to kill her in another dimension. Easy fight, no. Fight Proctor can win, yes.


Proctor wins

[wiegeabo]

Spider-Man 2099 vs Sage

If this was another Spider-Man like Pete, his ever loving Spidey-sense would go a long way to keeping him safe from Sage's attacks. Unfortunately, Miguel doesn't have a spider-sense.

But he does have the next best thing.

Not only can Miguel hear far better than a human (meaning he'll hear Sage coming long before she hears him), his vision is well beyond human sight. It's so good, he can see in complete darkness, and has no problem seeing object moving so fast they'd be a blue to anyone else. Combine that with agility and acrobatic skills that can rival Spidey himself, and Miguel has his own version of a spidey-sense. One in which he can see and react to Sage's fastest attacks. Couple that with a unique fighting style that Sage won't have a ready defense/counter against.

Now, while Spidey can track Sage from a nice safe distance using his ears and eyes (his improved vision includes telescopic abilities). And from a distance he can wrap her up in webbing, and swing away to safety if she gets in close and the fight goes badly.

Miguel's best tactic, assuming a direct confrontation doesn't work, is to hide out in a (completely) dark location and wait his prey like the arachnid he derives his powers from. Not being a mutant, Sage can't track him, while Miguel can hear her coming. When the time is right, some webbing, and a nice fang bite puts Sage down for the count.

But Miguel also has a good chance in a more direct fight. Despite Sage's ability to analyze their fight and adapt, because Miguel has no formal fighting style, pinning down his attacks and defenses will be incredibly hard. And in the mean time, his got his webbing for long range attacks, and if the two grapple, all he needs is a quick spider bite to paralyze her body and make sure he gets the victory.


Spider-Man 2099 wins

[Ahura Mazda]

Ahura, this is not Madelyne Pryor, it's Goblin Queen from Mutant X. (Yes, that's Madelyne, but an alternate Earth version. Plus, I'm not using the most recent appearance of that version, as it would be too uber...the most recent has powers of the Beyonder.)

Feel free to change your opening debate if you need, and we can start over.

I am going to amend only slightly given it just means her telepathy is greater in this instance. Her telekineteic powers are no different.

I apologise for my error.

[Phaedrus45]

Madelyne Pryor is a telepath with telekinetics.

There is one power that Madelaine Pryor will find unuseful and that is telepathy. The main reason I state this is that Moonstone and others who were all telepaths could do nothing to stop Annihlus. Therefore Maddie will also be unable to stop Annihlus especially by attempting to control his insect like mind formed in the Negative Zone.

The only reference I can see to Annihilus facing someone with somewhat like powers is Moondragon, AND, Moondragon was able to use her powers on him. Moondragon read Annihilus' mind, and found out his true plans to turn Galactus into a bomb to destroy the negative zone as well as the marvel universe. This shows that Annihilus is prone to these types of powers. (As to not being defeated, voters need to remember that Annihilation was more than just Annihilus...He had a huge army at his disposal. This match is one on one.)

Simply put, there is nothing in the bios I read that show Annihilus is able to withstand someone of the Goblin Queen's powers. As for his insect-like mind, the only factor that Annihilus is not prone to is emotional manipulation, like when Psycho Man tried to use his powers against him. That is because they are emotionless creatures, as the bio explains.

The battle which will not involve that much preparation given the total lack of knowledge of their opponents. However, there should be some limited knowledge of the battlefield.

Yes, Annihilation won't know anything about Goblin Queen, which works even more in Maddie's favor. But, Goblin Queen has been involved with the Fantastic Four of her world, and Annihilus is pretty well known to them. (She had the Fantastic Four taken over with her own powers, remember.) To me, there is a very good chance she knows who Annihilus is.

This will be telekinesis versus the negative zone's version of the power cosmic. One thing to note whereas Pryor is a fine human athlete, Annihlus is a super strong (stronger then the Thing or Blastaar), super resistant creature that can fly.

Both can use their powers from afar and I would suggest that best, Madelaine could cancel out Annihlus' powers using her own leading to a stalemate but only one can defeat the other up close and that is Annihlus. Also note that Annihlus has no qualms about hurting anyone.

To me, I reiterate that there is nothing that shows Annihilus is not prone to Goblin Queen's powers. As I noted, the one example used, Moondragon, was able to use her powers on him and find out his plans with Galactus.

Winner = Goblin Queen

[Phaedrus45]

Proctor vs Magneto

Everyone is pretty familiar with Magneto's powers. Which means Proctor will be as well (or at least will have little trouble learning about him if he didn't already know about him).

Actually, Proctor's world never intersected with Magneto's; and, while Magneto might be well known to humans, he would be beneath the notice of someone like Proctor. To note, he's originally from Earth-374. So, to say "everyone is pretty familiar" wouldn't really hold up in this argument.

But the same can't be said for Magneto. Because even if he knew about Proctor, he wouldn't know of all of Proctor's tricks. What are these tricks?

Proctor can fire energy from his eyes. Not a big deal for Magneto since he routinely blocks Cyclops' beams, but will let Proctor start probing Magneto's abilities.

Telepathy. Proctor doesn't have the normal telepathy that Magneto is used to fighting off. In fact, Proctor's telepathy is a little more like telekinesis. He can screw with the chemicals in the brain, causing a variety of effects (especially pain). Now, Magneto's helmet protects him from telepathy, and despite the different way Proctor's works, may protect him here. If so, Proctor will just stop trying it (it's not like he has to stop fighting to use this power). If the helmet doesn't provide protection, or Proctor gets it off Magneto, Erik is in for a world of hurt (remember, tk does work on the helmet).

Teleportation. Not only can Proctor jump around, keeping Magneto guessing, if things start going badly, he can jump to a safe location, buying himself a some precious time to heal and plot. Most importantly, Proctor can jump inside Magneto's forcefield. And when that happens, Mags is essentially at his mercy (remember, Proctor is an expert at hand to hand combat).

Superhuman durability, strength, speed. Proctor can take out a lot of what Magneto can dish, and has accelerated healing to boot. Buying Proctor essential fighting time.

All of these powers are things that he's faced against the X-Men. As noted, the energy from his eyes is like Cyclops; the telepathy would be Jean Grey or Professor X; the teleportation would be Nightcrawler; the strength would be Colossus...although, as noted, his strength is only Class 10.

Then there's the big equalizer. The Ebony Blade. This provides Proctor with two distinct advantages. First, immortality. As long as Proctor maintains possession of the Blade, he cannot die. Second, the Blade can cut through anything. Even energy. And that means Magneto's forcefield.

But wait, you may say, Magneto can pull the Blade to him and control it. But remember, not everything is magnetic. The Blade is made from alien material and is highly enchanted.

Why would Magento need to pull the blade to him, when Proctor will simply be screwed by being around so much metal? As I stated, there is nothing in Proctor's past that shows he'd be the least familiar with Magneto; he will be completely unaware that this is a being of such vast power, and really won't know that his best power will be rendered null and void.

Winner = Magneto

[Ahura Mazda]

The only reference I can see to Annihilus facing someone with somewhat like powers is Moondragon, AND, Moondragon was able to use her powers on him. Moondragon read Annihilus' mind, and found out his true plans to turn Galactus into a bomb to destroy the negative zone as well as the marvel universe. This shows that Annihilus is prone to these types of powers. (As to not being defeated, voters need to remember that Annihilation was more than just Annihilus...He had a huge army at his disposal. This match is one on one.)

So you are suggesting that Moondragon decided not to shut down Annihlus or force him to retreat or take over......but instead all she could do was tell Thanos that Annihlus planned to betray him. This suggests to me that she was very limited to what she could do and that the goblin queen most certainly does not have any more telepathic ability then Moondragon has.

I leave it to the voters but note that Moondragon was ONLY able to read his thoughts of destruction and nothing more.

Simply put, there is nothing in the bios I read that show Annihilus is able to withstand someone of the Goblin Queen's powers. As for his insect-like mind, the only factor that Annihilus is not prone to is emotional manipulation, like when Psycho Man tried to use his powers against him. That is because they are emotionless creatures, as the bio explains.

I am suggesting it because he was only defeated one on one when Phyla Vell, Quill and Nova all ganged up on him once to defeat him with Moondragon in the background. And in no way was he beaten telepathically.



Yes, Annihilation won't know anything about Goblin Queen, which works even more in Maddie's favor. But, Goblin Queen has been involved with the Fantastic Four of her world, and Annihilus is pretty well known to them. (She had the Fantastic Four taken over with her own powers, remember.) To me, there is a very good chance she knows who Annihilus is.

That was an alternate Earth where none of the 616 charcaters were the same. The Mutant X universe reimagined Mr. Fantastic, Nick Fury and Professor X as villains and Doctor Doom and Apocalypse as heroes.

Who knows who Annihlus was in the mutant x universe (given he never appeared) or if he even existed there. So really that good chance is absolutely nill and I think quite ballsy of you to suggest it.

To me, I reiterate that there is nothing that shows Annihilus is not prone to Goblin Queen's powers. As I noted, the one example used, Moondragon, was able to use her powers on him and find out his plans with Galactus.

She was only able to read his thoughts and was never able to use it to any effect on him. In fact, even when his army was gone it took three major cosmic players to team up to defeat him and telepathy played no part in it.

Winner = Annihlus

[wiegeabo]

Assuming neither will have information on the other...and Magneto's name doesn't give away anything about what Proctor is facing, Proctor can still learn all he needs very quickly. Magneto throws stuff at him, teleportation takes care of that. Telepathy doesn't work on Magneto, Proctor will figure that out in a second or two and not have to stop fighting while trying it. Magneto's forcefield? Proctor will find it's boundary with eyebeams.



All of these powers are things that he's faced against the X-Men. As noted, the energy from his eyes is like Cyclops; the telepathy would be Jean Grey or Professor X; the teleportation would be Nightcrawler; the strength would be Colossus...although, as noted, his strength is only Class 10.


But the Ebony Blade changes things dramatically. Despite similarities with the X powers, the Blade is a wildcard Erik won't be expecting and can't plan for. Not only can Proctor use it to cut through Erik's forcefields (since it can cut through any energy), it also grants Prroctor immortality. So even if Magneto were to pull a building down on top of Proctor, he could still teleport away (assuming he didn't teleport before hand upon seeing the building falling).


Why would Magento need to pull the blade to him, when Proctor will simply be screwed by being around so much metal? As I stated, there is nothing in Proctor's past that shows he'd be the least familiar with Magneto; he will be completely unaware that this is a being of such vast power, and really won't know that his best power will be rendered null and void.


Hey, if Magneto doesn't want to try and grab the Blade, that's just fine. Proctor can either teleport inside Magneto's forcefield and, snicker-snack, the mutant's head falls off, or just cut through the field and use either his eyebeams for Blade on Erik.


Proctor wins

[Phaedrus45]

So you are suggesting that Moondragon decided not to shut down Annihlus or force him to retreat or take over......but instead all she could do was tell Thanos that Annihlus planned to betray him. This suggests to me that she was very limited to what she could do and that the goblin queen most certainly does not have any more telepathic ability then Moondragon has.

I leave it to the voters but note that Moondragon was ONLY able to read his thoughts of destruction and nothing more.

All I can say is this shows that Moondragon's abilities worked no Annihilus. Why did she only do this, and not anything more? Bad writing?? There was more going on than we're given, maybe because Annihilus was dealing with a huge armada and such??? All I can do is present the facts that there is nothing in any bio that states Annihilus cannot be controlled in this way. All I could discover is a) Moondragon was able to know his plans for Galactus, and b) emotional manipulation doesn't work on him, because these creatures are considered emotionless.

That was an alternate Earth where none of the 616 charcaters were the same. The Mutant X universe reimagined Mr. Fantastic, Nick Fury and Professor X as villains and Doctor Doom and Apocalypse as heroes.

Who knows who Annihlus was in the mutant x universe (given he never appeared) or if he even existed there. So really that good chance is absolutely nill and I think quite ballsy of you to suggest it.

With the Mutant X world, we do know that many of the heroes and villians from that world is in this world. As such, Reed Richards would still have done research into the Negative Zone, and I don't find it ballsy at all. I think it's a logical assumption.

Winner = Goblin Queen

[Ahura Mazda]

All I can say is this shows that Moondragon's abilities worked no Annihilus. Why did she only do this, and not anything more? Bad writing?? There was more going on than we're given, maybe because Annihilus was dealing with a huge armada and such??? All I can do is present the facts that there is nothing in any bio that states Annihilus cannot be controlled in this way. All I could discover is a) Moondragon was able to know his plans for Galactus, and b) emotional manipulation doesn't work on him, because these creatures are considered emotionless.

There is nothing at all that suggests he could and the evidnce suggests he could not because he was on an all out war with the cosmic universe not one creature could control him telepathically. These include Moondragon who is one of the most powerful telepaths in the 616 universe plus other cosmic beings such as heralds. It is very far fetched that suddenly in this instance he could be affected telepathically.

In addition, it could just be bad writing that had Moondragon hear some of his thoughts as a plot device to advance the story, something maybe she should not have been able to do so the argument works both ways.

Alll the evidence points to that he cannopt be controlled telepathically because not one of the many actors of Annihlation was able to.



With the Mutant X world, we do know that many of the heroes and villians from that world is in this world. As such, Reed Richards would still have done research into the Negative Zone, and I don't find it ballsy at all. I think it's a logical assumption.

But given Annihlus, who never appeared in the series, could have been a hero in this universe and the negative zone could have been the positive zone. The whole thing was re-imagined so any supposition of relevant knowledge I find to be far fetched. Plus as a vilain, why would Reed research into the negative zone given he did it in his extra time while not saving the world in the 616 universe and as a villain maybe he would always be planning how to conquer the world or counter Doom, the hero? It is just very far fetched to assume that in an alternate universe where heroes are villains and villains heroes, Reed, a villain will get useful accurate information on a character that never was even mentionned in the Mutant X series.

Winner = Annihlus

[Phaedrus45]

There is nothing at all that suggests he could and the evidnce suggests he could not because he was on an all out war with the cosmic universe not one creature could control him telepathically. These include Moondragon who is one of the most powerful telepaths in the 616 universe plus other cosmic beings such as heralds. It is very far fetched that suddenly in this instance he could be affected telepathically.

Just repeating that there is nothing in his bio that states he cannot be controlled this way, especially with someone as powerful as Goblin Queen. Just because the writer of Annihilation only had Moondragon read his mind ... successfully, I might add ... does not indicate that his powers are such that he cannot be controlled by another. As I noted, there is a lot going on in Annihilation, and those who were trying to rescue Galactus and the Silver Surfer were facing more than just Annihilus.

In addition, it could just be bad writing that had Moondragon hear some of his thoughts as a plot device to advance the story, something maybe she should not have been able to do so the argument works both ways.

This isn't bad writing, because nothing in Annihilus' bio states he is immune to someone who can read or control minds. The bad writing would be more like Claremont, who's character representations of the Exile characters would constantly change, despite evidence to the contrary in their bios.

Well, at this point, we're going back and forth, and I'll leave it all up to the voters. Good debate!

Oh, and

Winner = Goblin Queen

[Phaedrus45]

Debates Are Over!

Voting May Begin!!!

[Ahura Mazda]

Proctor - if he is also telekinetic I do not see why he could not take off the helmet which I am always surprised the X-Men never do

Annihlus

Spider Man 2099

The Master

[random_havoc]

proctor
annihilus
spidey 2099
the master

[Phaedrus45]

My Votes:

*Goblin Queen

*Sage

*Magneto

*The Master

[JewishHobbit]

Proctor
Great match. I think W did great, and I expected it since I know he thinks so highly of Proctor (as do I, being that was the only run of Avengers I could get into prior to disassembled). I was 50/50 going into the match but W's debate pulled me to his side.

Master

Annihilus
Great debate, but I remained undecided in the end. Phaed provided proof that telepathy can work but Ahura also was convincing on the reasonings behind why it may not work to the extent that Phaed needs it to. I went back and forth 50/50 on that point until finally deciding to look beyond the telepathy and seeing what else the two have to offer. In this, I think Annihilus pulls off the win, so I went with him.

Spider-Man 2099

[wiegeabo]

Goblin QueenDamn good match. Almost a toss up and I switched back and forth. So close, I even had Annihilus as my vote. But if Moonstone can affect Annihilus's mind, so can the Queen. Especially since Annihilus wouldn't know who the Queen, or know to prepare for telepathic attack. But that still only gave her the slightest of edges.

Spider-Man 2099

Proctor

The MasterDamn. I think Storm could have done a great job against him too.

[POWdER-man]

The Master
Sage
Magneto GREAT matchup! W almost had me with his debate but in the end Magneto has gone up against TK's so why should this be any different
Annihilus Another great matchup but in the end Ahura showed enough to make me believe GK's telepathy won't affect annihilus.

[Midnight Ice]

Goblin Queen
Sage
Magneto
The Master

[Harlekin]

Annihilus
Spider-Man 2099
Proctor
The Master

[Phaedrus45]

Final Results:

Annihilus defeats Goblin Queen 5-3

Spider-Man 2099 defeats Sage 5-3

Proctor defeats Magneto 5-3

Master defeats Storm 8-0

[Phaedrus45]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg


Bracket 7

Match 1:

Hercules (WIEGEABO) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hercules_(Marvel_Comics))

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/hercules-1.jpg

vs.

Radioactive Man (HARLEKIN) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_Man_(comics))

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/radioactiveman-1.jpg

Match 2:

Abomination (POWDERMAN) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abomination_(comics))

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/abomination-1.jpg

vs.

U.S. Agent (JEWISHHOBBIT) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Agent)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/usagent.jpg

[Phaedrus45]

Bracket 8

Match 1:

Titan (JEWISHHOBBIT) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_(Imperial_Guard))

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/titan.jpg

vs.

Punisher (HELLSTORMER) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punisher)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/punisher-1.jpg

Match 2:

Harrier (PHAEDRUS45) link (http://marvel.com/universe/Harrier)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/harrier.jpg

vs.

Pagan (POWDER-MAN) link (http://marvel.com/universe/Pagan)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/pagan-1.jpg

[Phaedrus45]

Debates May Begin!!!

Location: The Raft

http://marvel.com/universe/Raft

This should be nighttime, and the location is unoccupied.

[JewishHobbit]

Titan vs. Punisher

We all know Punisher... so now for Titan.

Titan is a soldier of the Imperial Guard. He also comes accross as one of the more ruthless ones in his appearances. He has the ability to grow, similar to Giant Man and the rest, and he can also fly with a device that all non-flying members of the Imperial Guard uses. So basically, he's a flying Giant Man without the scientific mind but with a more warrior instinct and training.

Battle

Titan, as with all members of the Imperial Guard, are quick 'get the job done' type of people. They are all willing to kill and do whatever it takes to win.

The location, I think, helps Titan out because he will see that it is an island and that there is nowhere to run. He will not know the Punisher or what he is capable of and so he will know that he needs to end this quickly. And so, even without seeing the Punisher, he will grow to humungous size (bios say there's no known limit). If he can stand in the water, great, if not he can fly. And then with one swift stomp.... down goes the Raft and everything inside goes crush, splat, dead. Having started on location he'll see that there isn't anyone else there so there's no concern for the loss of innoscent life (not that he would have cared as much anyhow, but just in case it's a doubt in voters minds).

Punisher, as a normal human, has no defense for this and splatting things is perfectly within Titan's character. One crushed prison later and Titan moves on to the next round.

Winner - Titan

[JewishHobbit]

U.S. Agent vs Abomination

Yeah, I just got U.S.Agent and I just don't care enough about him to fight this losing battle. I can't think of a way for him to win and have way too many other matches this week to focus on than one I doubt I can win anyway.

Conceded. Congrats Powder... my second conceding to you. Feel free to return the favor any time ;)

Winner - Abomination

[Hellstormer]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31499/614886-punisher_00_super.jpg
Punisher VS. Titan

The combatants wouldn't know eachother, but Frank might be able to gather some info given the name (big and strong). Frank benefits the most from the prep time cause that's how he works. He'll bring along explosives and long range weapons. He'll know that if its someone who's super strong he'll have the advantage of distance. He might also bring something he can use as an effective trip wire. When Titan augments his size Frank can lay down the trip wire around his location and pick him off when he hits the ground. It's just a matter of intelligence and long range attacks and Frank will win this no problem.

Winner=Punisher

[JewishHobbit]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31499/614886-punisher_00_super.jpg
Punisher VS. Titan

The combatants wouldn't know eachother, but Frank might be able to gather some info given the name (big and strong). Frank benefits the most from the prep time cause that's how he works. He'll bring along explosives and long range weapons. He'll know that if its someone who's super strong he'll have the advantage of distance. He might also bring something he can use as an effective trip wire. When Titan augments his size Frank can lay down the trip wire around his location and pick him off when he hits the ground. It's just a matter of intelligence and long range attacks and Frank will win this no problem.


I really do think Punisher has a shot here, but the thing with Titan is that he is always huge. He never goes into a battle regular size. So as soon as it begins he'll grow larger than the prison (as he's always been shown as absolutely humungous).

With no obvious target out to fight him, I can see him just crushing the prison with his foot, as per my write up. Punisher can probably get some firepower off but with Titan's size comes superhuman durability so he should be able to hold up fairly well to it, at least long enough to flatten the last of the prison.

Winner - Titan

[Hellstormer]

Rebuttal: Punisher VS. Titan
I really do think Punisher has a shot here, but the thing with Titan is that he is always huge. He never goes into a battle regular size. So as soon as it begins he'll grow larger than the prison (as he's always been shown as absolutely humungous). Frank will take advantage of this. Because of his larger size it will be harder for him to notice a tiny moving dot. The prison is way too strong for Titan to smash it and even if it was buildings have fallen on top of Frank before.


With no obvious target out to fight him, I can see him just crushing the prison with his foot, as per my write up. Punisher can probably get some firepower off but with Titan's size comes superhuman durability so he should be able to hold up fairly well to it, at least long enough to flatten the last of the prison.
Explosives, trip wires, and armor piercing rounds will take care of Titan. Punisher is always fighting at a disadvantage but he's always tactical, smart, and confident. He won't lose to cosmic fodder.

Winner=Punisher

[Phaedrus45]

Opening Debate: Harrier vs. Pagan

Pagan's Bio:

*Pagan had superhuman strength (Class 100) and durability, able to withstand superhumanly strong punches and even magical hexes. He was powered by energies transferred to him by Jonathan Tremont, allowing him to grow in proportion to the amount of energy his form housed.

There are some important factors that need pointing out about Pagan. One, he's described as "mindlessly enraged." Also, as in his bio, you'll notice that his energies are powered by his brother, Jonathan Tremont. Without Jonathan nearby, the voters have to wonder how useful this character is alone in battle.

Harrier's Bio:

*Clendenon is an accomplished soldier, tactitian, and pilot.

*Among his armor's offensive capabilities were blasts of electricity, a titanium net, and "tar pellets" ensnaring projectiles.

*As both Cardinal and Harrier, he used winged body armor which granted him the cabability of jet-powered flight, capablity to travel underwater, and enhanced strength.


Now, Pagan did fight the Avengers a couple times. But, just looking at his picture, Harrier will know that he's not going to get anywhere in a physical battle. Where Harrier does have the advantage is flight and smarts. (For flight, he just has to get out of The Raft to the outside of the island. If he does this, Pagan cannot reach him.) As noted, Pagan is also mindless. If he gets to the wrong location in The Raft, he's screwed. He's been defeated twice by being drained of his power. And, without his brother to back him up, once his power is drained, he's done for.

Winner = Harrier

[JewishHobbit]

Rebuttal: Punisher VS. Titan
Frank will take advantage of this. Because of his larger size it will be harder for him to notice a tiny moving dot. The prison is way too strong for Titan to smash it and even if it was buildings have fallen on top of Frank before.

I don't actually plan on Titan seeing Frank at all. He's a soldier of the Shi'ar Empire and they've always been shown to act quickly and get the job done, so I figure the best way is to trash the place. And what makes you think Titan couldn't crush the place? If a wrecking ball can break a wall of a prison then surely Titan's huge size should. As far as I know, Titan's hight limit is unknown but he's always been shown to be absolutely huge. It shouldn't be much for him to step on the prison. Or maybe flying up and doing a cannonball onto the prison, crushing it and Frank with it :)

Explosives, trip wires, and armor piercing rounds will take care of Titan. Punisher is always fighting at a disadvantage but he's always tactical, smart, and confident. He won't lose to cosmic fodder.

The Explosives and trip wires would only work if Titan went in to look for Frank, which due to his powerset, would be stupid. He'd be eliminating any advantage he'd have by doing that and that's not how a soldier would enter a batte, eliminating his chances of winning.

The armor piercing rounds should do some damage but with Titan at the size he'll be it'll just be needle pricks. Nothing that'll stop him before he crushes ol' Frank.

Winner - Titan

[Harlekin]

OPENING ARGUMENT: RADIOACTIVE MAN VS. HERCULES

I'm keeping this short and sweet since I'm so late. In strength, the Radioactive Man should be able to match Hercules considering he can take on the likes of Thor. Add in all the other fun ways Radioactive Man can apply his powers, he should be able to take down Hercules without too much trouble.

Normally, Herc's powers are enough, but in this match, they're just too limited.

WINNER=RADIOACTIVE MAN

[wiegeabo]

Hercules vs Radioactive Man

Tough matchup. Radioactive Man has a distinct long range attack advantage. But Hercules is a god on par with Thor, and Thor has effectively fought R-Man before. And Hercules has battled Thor to a standstill, and uses his Golden Mace (which is just as durable as Mjolnir).

As for Radioactive Man's blasts, Hercules has been struck by energy attacks before and shrugged them off. It took the energy of the power cosmic to seriously injure Hercules, and Radioactive Man doesn't have that kind of power. And it's not like R-Man can hide, emitting radiation in the hope of making Hercules sick. This fight is taking place on the raft, and it's walls would be protected from radiation (meaning that only direct exposure is possible, and R-Man couldn't hide a floor above Hercules, trying to make him sick).

Radioactive Man can make a forcefield strong enough to deflect Mjolnir. So he can hold off Hercules for at least a while. But Herc has godly stamina, and can keep fighting for who knows how long. Plus, even R-Man needs solid ground to stand on, and a strike to the floor can bring R-Man to his knees, or possibly even bury him under rubble (forcing him to waste energy on his forcefield rather than be crushed).

R-Man seems to have a clear advantage, but one must use more than radiation if one wishes to stop a god.

Hercules wins

[POWdER-man]

Pagan vs Harrier

Harrier
Abilities
Clendenon is an accomplished soldier, tactitian, and pilot.

Weapons
Among his armor's offensive capabilities were blasts of electricity, a titanium net, and "tar pellets" ensnaring projectiles.

Paraphernalia
As both Cardinal and Harrier, he used winged body armor which granted him the cabability of jet-powered flight, capablity to travel underwater, and enhanced strength.

Pagan
Powers
Pagan had superhuman strength (Class 100) and durability, able to withstand superhumanly strong punches and even magical hexes. He was powered by energies transferred to him by Jonathan Tremont, allowing him to grow in proportion to the amount of energy his form housed.

Prep-time

This would serve no character any help, not would the location.

Match

As the match begins Harrier can throw everything he has at Pagan and the kitchen sink and all it is going to is make him even madder. Pagan has fought the whole Avengers, while Harrier is a C-list villain.

The location is quite limited despite Harrier's ability to fly. All this would do is to delay the inevitable, as he would have to eventually come down to fight Pagan.

Pagan has taken Thor's hammer to face (twice), as well as fought him directly and took him out, Vision's eye beams as well as his solidified fist without slowing down (atually threw Vision away with a backlash), Scarlet Witch's hex blast, Iron Man's blast, combined hits by Wonder Man and Vision, as well as many other impressive feats. Harrier has no way of defeating Pagan, and he has no knowledge or resources to find out about Pagan to try to find a way to defeat him. This match will eventually turn out one way, with Harrier's lifeless body laying on the ground besides Pagan who is ready for more destruction.

WINNER PAGAN

[POWdER-man]

U.S. Agent vs Abomination

Yeah, I just got U.S.Agent and I just don't care enough about him to fight this losing battle. I can't think of a way for him to win and have way too many other matches this week to focus on than one I doubt I can win anyway.

Conceded. Congrats Powder... my second conceding to you. Feel free to return the favor any time ;)

Winner - Abomination

Heh, awesome! I was happy to get my opening debates in and then I realized I picked up Abomination from someone so I thought I had to put in an opening debate for him too.

I will see what I can do but I make no promises. :)

WINNER Abomination

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!!!

[JewishHobbit]

Titan
Abomination
Hercules
Though I really feel Radioactive Man could potentially pull an upset.
Pagan
Honestly, I can actually see Harrier pulling this off maybe 1 out of 10, potentially in a rematch, but that's it. He's smart and I think he'd go in with a plan. Maybe something about getting Pagan in the water, which lessons the impact of a physical fight, and electrocuting him while wet and all that. We know Harrier's suit is built to survive the water and electricity. I don't know if it'd take out Pagan though, and it's such a small chance that I didn't feel right voting on the idea... but I at least wanted to mention it.

[JewishHobbit]

If all four of my votes advance.... there's going to be some slobber knockers in round 2! Those are some massively heavy hitters!

[random_havoc]

pagan
abomination
titan
herc

[Ahura Mazda]

Pagan

Abomination

Titan

Hercules

[Phaedrus45]

My Votes:

*Radioactive Man

*Abomination

*Punisher - I just kept thinking, "the bigger you are, the bigger the target on you is." Frank will have no trouble seeing where Titan is...and, both characters do start out in The Raft; so, Titan needs to get out before he can smash it with his foot.

*Harrier

[POWdER-man]

Hercules
Pagan
Abomination
Titan

[wiegeabo]

Hercules

Abomination

TitanAlmost went with Frank. If he could set up the battleground ahead of time, I think he'd have this one hands down. Even so, this will be a close match

PaganSome decent arguments for Harrier, though

[Harlekin]

Radioactive Man
Abomination
Titan
Pagan

[JewishHobbit]

Final Results:

Hercules defeats Radioactive Man = 5-2

Abomination defeats U.S. Agent = 7-0

Titan defeats Punisher = 6-1

Pagan defeats Harrier = 6-1

[JewishHobbit]

And now that that's done. I have to say that all I saw in my head was Punisher sending a rocket via rocket launcher through Titan's abdomen. I assumed I'd lose with, as W said, the bigger they are the bigger target they present. I'm stoked I pulled that one off. Not expecting a win next round though.

[CoMarvels]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/CoM.jpg


Bracket 7
Round 2

Match 1:

Fat Cobra (JEWISHHOBBIT) link (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Fat_Cobra)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/wiegeabo/marvel/FatCobra.jpg

vs.

Lockdown (MIDNIGHTICE) link (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/lockdown.htm)
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a11/wiegeabo/marvel/Lockdown.jpg


Match 2:

Fantomex (WIEGEABO) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantomex)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/fantomex-1.jpg

vs.

Talisman (JEWISHHOBBIT)link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talisman_(comics))
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/talisman.jpg

[CoMarvels]

Bracket 8
Round 2

Match 1:

Justice-John Roger Tensen (PHAEDRUS45) link (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/John_Tensen_(Earth-148611))
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/Justice-John.jpg

vs.

Human Torch (POWdER-man) link (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Human_Torch)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/humantorch1.jpg


Match 2:

Madman (PHAEDRUS45) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_(Marvel_Comics))
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/madman-1.jpg

vs.

Sleepwalker (VANGUARD07) link (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Sleepwalker)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a169/Phaedrus45/sleep.jpg

[CoMarvels]

Debates May Begin!!!

Location: The Vault

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Vault

This should be nighttime, and the location is unoccupied.

[JewishHobbit]

Talisman Vs Fantomex

I think Fantomex was my favorite thing to come out of Morrison's run on the X-Men. Sad I gotta take him out! But I am glad about one thing. While reading his Wiki I learned he’s due to show back up soon in the Wolverine One-Shot coming out of the Dark Reign: List event. Cool!

Powers:

Talisman


* She has the ability to tap into mystical forces and to manipulate them for a variety of effects, including levitation, astral projection, exorcism, matter manipulation, the ability to see prophetic visions, telepathy, teleportation over vast distances, opening inter-dimensional portals, animating the undead, generating wind blasts and lightning, summoning air spirits, calling forth spirit animals, creating magical shields of light, and generating blasts of magical energy.

* In addition to her own powers she also has her father's medicine bag (Shaman from Alpha Flight) which contains a pocket dimension known as the Void. From this she can pull anything she needs (according to wiki).



Fantomex


* Fantomex has an external nervous system referred to as E.V.A.

* If E.V.A. experiences pain when she is not within Fantomex, he will feel it as well. When E.V.A. is separated from his body, Fantomex feels no pain and seems able to ignore most injuries.

* Fantomex is linked to E.V.A. via telepathy. He can see through E.V.A.'s point of view and can take control of her movement. However, this requires concentration on the part of Fantomex.

* He can expertly read the body language of others and is a master at misdirection. This also allows him to create telepathic illusions that can fool some of the most powerful telepaths, including Professor X and Jean Grey.

* His mask incorporates telepathy-blocking ceramics.

* He possesses enhanced strength, speed, agility, reflexes, endurance, durability, and healing abilities. NOTE He has to go into a trance to heal quickly. He’s no Wolverine.

No blowing smoke here. Fantomex is by no means a pushover, but neither is Talisman. Fortunately, I think Talisman has more going for her and has enough of an edge to pull off the win.

Prep time will do nothing for either combatant. They won’t know anything about one another.

Location won’t do much either, though Talisman will more likely be able to find info on it, but I still don’t think it’ll help her much.

So comes the battle. How does Talisman handle Fantomex’s array of abilities:

Illusions

I think Fantomex’s biggest weapon here are his illusions. They’re powerful and telepathy can’t break them, however, there’s no mention of Magic. Also, I’m not sure what Fantomex’s illusions are made of but most are alterations of light, and Talisman can alter light as well, meaning she should be able to undo the illusions with relative ease. I doubt they’re mental since Xavier couldn’t penetrate them and Fantomex isn’t anywhere near Xavier level… not to mention Jean on the verge of Phoenix level telepathy.

Guns

Magical shields should do just fine against these, his most commonly used offensive maneuver.

E.V.A.

Eh, hard to really specify this one, it really depends on how the battle plays out. However, it’s pretty much just another character that can be hurt like anyone else. I think her lightening abilities should be enough to do a lot of damage to a nervous system.

So she can handle what Fantomex has to offer. When he first showed up in X-Men he had a lot of bullet holes in him, so he can’t dodge those… which puts a limit on his quickness and agility and all that. Lightning is much quicker than bullets so Talisman’s lightening should be able to tag him fairly easily and take him out.

Add this to magical bursts of energy, creating wind spirits, animating matter (such as the adamantium walls) and such should be enough to put Fantomex down.

Winner – Talisman

[JewishHobbit]

Fat Cobra vs Lockdown

Okay, Lockdown has a very impressive array of powers thanks to his mechanical suit, but without the suit he’s just a normal human. I’ll give in that Cobra is facing an uphill battle, but he definitely had a good shot at winning. Here’s the thing, Fat Cobra has control of lightning and he uses it regularly. He’s very experienced, stealthy, and is a great strategist. When he and Lockdown meet he will snare Lockdown with an electrical lasso, and that really is all that’s needed for Cobra to win. Reason being is that Lockdown’s suit is mechanical in nature and large surges of electricity fries circuits and such. Fat Cobra’s lightening should basically break Lockdown’s suit with his first assault before the fight really even begins. Once that’s done it’s the highly experience martial arts expert with lightning slinging powers vs a normal joe with some good hand to hand experience. So yes, while Lockdown can hold his own in a physical fight… I doubt he can do it against someone as skilled as Fat Cobra. His speed is quicker than Iron Fist, he’s strong, he’s tactical, he’s way too much for Lockdown in a physical fight.

So once Cobra’s lightning short circuits Lockdown’s suit, it’s all downhill for Lockdown.

Winner – Fat Cobra

[Phaedrus45]

Opening Argument: John Tensen vs. Human Torch

Justice:

*John has the psionic ability to form energy in two distinct types. One hand is apparently "better" than the other at using one form-blasts from the right or "sword" hand, forcefields from the left "shield" hand.

*John's energy blasts are heat and light-based. He can cause blinding flashes, disintegrate objects etc.

*John can form forcefields of varying shapes and sizes. He has considerable control of them, including creating platforms to walk across, as a battering ram, reflecting attacks, and even sending a shield into the throat of an adversary to choke them.

Human Torch:

*Johnny can cover his body in fire, fly at supersonic speeds, project fireballs or other fire objects, manipulate existing flame, and absorb heat with some mental strain. He can generate a nova-level burst of flame, one million degrees Fahrenheit, although this usually exhausts his powers for some time. Under normal usage, he is able to maintain his flame form for up to 17 hours.


Well, neither character knows about the other; but, Torch would probably be able to find out about the location. Tensen will have an idea of what Johnny Storm is about by looking at his photo. (Mainly, flame and flight.)

Johnny doesn't know Tensen, which is the one benefit for John. If it Johnny did, I probably wouldn't give John much of a chance with this match. Why is that? It's kind of the Spider-Man syndrome...when Johnny faces a foe for the first time, he often doesn't fare very well. (Also, with Johnny being a good guy, he's just not going to go super nova, risking his foe's death.)

The key of the match up will be Tensen's force field powers. Now, Johnny does have some experience with these, as he knows Sue Storm pretty well. But, if he won't be expecting it with a first time match up, Tensen can get the surprise on Johnny, knocking him unconscious before he has a chance to learn too much.

Winner = John Tensen

[Phaedrus45]

Opening Argument: Madman vs. Sleepwalker

Madman:

*Like the Hulk, Madman has vast superhuman strength. Unlike the Hulk, Madman is unable to become stronger as he becomes angrier, but he is capable of creating significant boosts in his size, density and power, making him greatly exceed the Hulk's calm state for brief periods of time. Allegedly being at least twice as strong as the base level of the 'merged'/'professor' incarnation in this mode, and once knocked out the latter with a single punch to the head through the advantage of surprise.

Sleepwalker:

*Sleepwalker possesses super-strength and flotation-like flight. Sleepwalker's only offensive power is his warp gaze. With this vision-based power, Sleepwalker can alter the shape of physical objects and twist them to his purposes. Sleepwalker initially demonstrated this power by using it to distort a sidewalk to capture a criminal. He also used this ability once on air molecules to create a wind tunnel for faster aerial travel.


I don't think either character will know anything about the other or the location. Madman actually is merged with his intelligent professor persona; so, he's able to do research before a match...but, I'm not sure how effective it would be with Sleepwalker.

The good thing about this match for Madman is that Sleepwalker's usual style of villian is very D-list....and, those matches that were of significance was with the help of super class heroes, like Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four. (If you look at his Wiki profile, it really shows how often he was teaming up with other characters...which, as we know translate into Marvel trying to garner interest in a character...but, for me shows he might not fare very well with such a super powered character, like Madman, on his own.)

Winner = Madman

[POWdER-man]

Human Torch vs Justice

An interesting matchup but one that should favor the long-time member of the Fantastic Four.

Introduction

Everyone should know the Human Torch but I will bring up a few key points.

Thermokinesis: The Human Torch has the ability to mentally control the ambient heat energy within his immediate environment, even when he himself is not aflame. He can reduce objects' temperatures (if they are in a normal range for existing on Earth's surface) to about 30 F, raise them to several hundred degrees, or extinguish open flames. His radius of influence is about 80 feet. The heat energy he takes from the environment is absorbed into his own body. If he takes in a critical amount while he is not aflame, he will become aflame. There are unknown limits to the amount of flame he can absorb into his own body harmlessly while he is himself aflame.

Immunity to Fire & Heat: The Human Torch is unaffected by heat and flames, including his own, even when part of him is aflame and the rest of him is not. His flesh cannot be scalded or burned by any heat source whose level is below that of his maximum output.

Justice

John has the psionic ability to form energy in two distinct types. One hand is apparently "better" than the other at using one form-blasts from the right or "sword" hand, forcefields from the left "shield" hand.

John's energy blasts are heat and light-based. He can cause blinding flashes, disintegrate objects etc.

John can form forcefields of varying shapes and sizes

John is apparently unable to use both blasts and forcefields simultaneously.

It requires great energy and concentration to use these shields, and it is thus difficult for him to maintain them for an extended amount of time, or to use them over a large area

Prep-Time

This would not help either character greatly as they come from different dimensions. However, the location is where Johnny will get his advantage. from the F4's database he can learn all the information he needs about the location and possibly using it to his advantage in this matchup.

Match

Now it's important to notice that Justice's energy blasts are heat blasts which can be absorbed, manipulated and leave the Human Torch unharmed.
This can allow him to fire back with Justice's own blasts.

Another thing to note that, yes Justice has shields but it takes him great concentration and energy to form these shields and he can not hold them forever. He also has to drop his shields when he fire his blasts which gives the Human Torch the perfect opportunity to blast him back or use Justice's own blast against himself.

In the end Justice has no way of harming Human Torch while Human Torch has many options. Including pushing Justice to go into a cell and activating a power dampner, destroying walls ceilings or equipment and knocking it into Justice, or even bringing a power dampning or other weapon with him from the F4 facilities. Johnny has decades of experience facing powerful and a wide range of different types of villains. Everything from Cosmic entities, energy manipulators, tech geniuses, powerhouses, etc. He can figure out a way or trick (as he has done in so many cases) to win this match.

WINNER HUMAN TORCH

[Phaedrus45]

As I said before, Powder, I'll let our opening arguments stand as our debate, if that's good with you.

Good luck, buddy!

[Phaedrus45]

Voting May Begin!

[Ahura Mazda]

Talisman

Madman

Human Torch

Fat Cobra

[Phaedrus45]

My Votes:

*Lockdown

*Talisman

*Justice

*Madman

[JewishHobbit]

Fat Cobra
Talisman
Human Torch
Sleepwalker
For the third time this week I'm voting for an undebated character. Madman's tough but I just get the feeling that Sleepwalker would win. Phaed's debate didn't swing me toward him and the more I tried to type Madman the more I doubted. I just see Sleepwalker's abilities winning this for him. It's a shame it wasn't debated.

[random_havoc]

madman
human torch
talisman
Fat Cobra

*fixed :)

[JewishHobbit]

Havoc, you voted for Human Torch and Justice, who are facing each other. You need to fix that and cast a vote in the Fat Cobra/ Lockdown match.

[POWdER-man]

Fat Cobra
Talisman
Human Torch
Madman

[wiegeabo]

Fat Cobra

Fantomex

JusticeI had my vote for Torch first thinking he could raise the temp around Justice to the point where he collapses. But Justice's shield could protect him from that, at least long enough to fight Johnny. And the pictures help Justice in prep-time far more than it helps Johnny.

MadmanI just don't think Sleepwalker can do enough with his warp vision on various things in the prison to harm Madman. And with no debate saying he could use his vision on Madman directly, I had to vote the other way

[Hellstormer]

Fat Cobra

Sleepwalker

Justice

Talisman

[JewishHobbit]

Final Vote

Fat Cobra defeats Lockdown = 6-1

Talisman defeats Fantomex = 6-1

Human Torch defeats Justice = 4-3

Madman defeats Sleepwalker = 5-2

[JewishHobbit]

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Bracket 7
Round 2

Match 3:

Mr. Sinister (WIEGEABO)link (http://marvel.com/universe/Mister_Sinister)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Contest%20of%20Marvels%20Pics/Sinistercom.jpg

vs.

Zzzax (PHAEDRUS45)link (http://marvel.com/universe/Zzzax)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Contest%20of%20Marvels%20Pics/zzzaxcom.jpg


Match 4:

Maximus The Mad (MIDNIGHTICE) link (http://marvel.com/universe/Maximus)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Contest%20of%20Marvels%20Pics/MaximustheMadCOM.jpg

vs.

Rom (WIEGEABO)link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rom_(comics))
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Contest%20of%20Marvels%20Pics/RomCOM.jpg

[JewishHobbit]

Bracket 8
Round 2

Match 3:

Sersi (AHURAMAZDA) link (http://marvel.com/universe/Sersi)
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vs.

Sandman (WIEGEABO) link (http://marvel.com/universe/Sandman)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Contest%20of%20Marvels%20Pics/sandmancom.jpg


Match 4:

Speedfreak (AHURAMAZDA) link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedfreek)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/JewishHobbit/Contest%20of%20Marvels%20Pics/SpeedfreakCOM.jpg

vs.

Skullfire (JEWISHHOBBIT) link (http://marvel.com/universe/Skullfire_(2099))
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[JewishHobbit]

LOCATION:

Madripoor (http://marvel.com/universe/Madripoor)

This will be a populated location at night.

[Ahura Mazda]

Sersi shows up and turns Sandman into water and then freezes him and then goes back to rest and get a drink.

Speedfreak shows up and notices he is by hisself and so waits it out, eventually gets bored and then finds a cute girl who he asks for a drink.

[JewishHobbit]

Skullfire enters the room, late due to traffic, and sees that Speedfreak has left the building, leaving he alone... and victorious.

[Ahura Mazda]

Speedfreak strikes out with the girl and then heads back to the building noticing that skullfire was there but left and decides to stick it out making him the winner.........but still wonders why that girl did not give in to his charming proposal....its not like anyone else was going to show her a good time while still running around at extremely fast speeds....

[JewishHobbit]

Skullfire lies naked (and glowing) in a motel bed with naked (and exhausted) previously mentioned girl.

Job well done.

[wiegeabo]

This is the most interesting match in a while.