The Bucky Thread

[tamron]

There are few different ways Bucky could be presented in a Cap movie.

Trusty sidekick, advance scout or just friend and Army photographer?

Should he die in WWII, survive to present day old or survive to present day young (Winter Soldier)?

Which route would you want to see them go? Any casting suggestions?

Personally, I would want Bucky as an advance scout and to die in WWII on screen, in front of Cap, at the hands of Red Skull. This way, in Avengers you can have Cap dealing with guilt, feeling like he wasn't that great a leader before. This would give him some real character development over the film as he conquers his past and leads the team, so that he doesn't come off as "perfect" to the uninitiated.

[sdc10]

I think he should just be portrayed as Caps friend in the Cap film but ultimately not play a role in the Avengers. So I think it would be better if they killed him off. Perhaps in the blast that freezes Cap and that would have to be something Cap deals with when he wakes back up.

[CaptainStacy]

I'd like to see the side-kick thing done, costume and all. The good thing about THAT is having Winter Soldier appear in a sequel....

On the other hand, having him as a photographer and re-uniting with Steve as an 80 something year old man in the present was such a great scene in the Ultimate Avengers toon, especially after revealing he married Steve's former girlfriend, that was just gut-wrenching, and will help the audience relate to Steve's loss.....

Either way would work for me...

[The Question]

Have him be a young soldier who serves with Steve early in the war and during the war goes through extensive training to be his partner, who handles the more delicate sides of their missions, and then have him die/go missing and become Winter Soldier.

[Aztec]

Once again I think The Ultimates did it best. He's Captain America's personal photographer. It makes sense since Cap was being used as a propaganda piece. He survives to the present day and marries Cap's former lover. What a perfect twist that is!

[bryanss3]

I think they should use 616 version of Bucky but don't call him a sidekick call him his partner. basically the way Brubaker has shown flashbacks of Bucky in his Cap run are a great way to portray the character. They are a team they are best friends and he should definitely be introduced as James Buchanan Barnes and simply as friends always have nicknames Steve can call him Bucky. and yes I would like to see Bucky wear something similar to his costume but wear some sort of goggles instead of the little mask. Also give him a helmet not as part of the costume though more of something to wear just to protect his head.

[MilkmanDan]

I prefer Bucky as a fellow soldier. Possibly as a Stars and Stripes photographer like in the Ultimates. I definitely don't want him as a fellow costumed hero. Cap should be unique in that regard.

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'd like to see the side-kick thing done, costume and all. The good thing about THAT is having Winter Soldier appear in a sequel....

On the other hand, having him as a photographer and re-uniting with Steve as an 80 something year old man in the present was such a great scene in the Ultimate Avengers toon, especially after revealing he married Steve's former girlfriend, that was just gut-wrenching, and will help the audience relate to Steve's loss.....

Either way would work for me... I agree!

[Artistsean]

Well Bucky was part of it originally, when Simon and Kirby created Cap.
then when Cap was thawed out they killed off Bucky and gave Captain America a tragedy. But since they brought Bucky back as the Winter Soldier,
do they need to include him at all?

[tamron]

Bucky is such an important part of the WWII Cap mythos that yes, I think he needs to be included, even if it is a small role.

[bryanss3]

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place. plus a scene like this would translate very well
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/bryanss3/Bucky.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/bryanss3/bucky2.jpg

[Aztec]

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place.

The problem is that it's just plain hokey and unrealistic. Why would a "supersolider" need a teenage boy in hotpants to fight along side him? It's absurd.

The Ultimates did it best with him as photographer. As I stated earlier, and others have echoed, having Steve meet an 80 year old Bucky who is married to Steve's former love is a powerful story point.

[bryanss3]

Obviously he wouldn't be wearing hotpants they can give him a more military looking outfit and they can make him a little old either way in that time there were plenty of kids under 18 in the military. look at the scene from a flashback in the winter soldier saga that could play out really well in a film.

[WillardNation]

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place. plus a scene like this would translate very well
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/bryanss3/Bucky.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/bryanss3/bucky2.jpg


I would LOVE to see this scene in the movie. I say make Bucky his partner, I think having Winter Soldier in a sequel would be awesome.

[bryanss3]

They can do Bucky and not have be campy but I wouldn't be surprised though if its like everyone said Ultimate version, or just not there at all though.

[Deaths Head II]

Either the 616 or Ultimates Bucky would be good. I just hope they use him. It's something big from the Captain mythos and it would add something to the movies for sure. I would personally prefer him as a partner of some type. They can give him a different outfit and maybe boost his age a bit.

[bryanss3]

I don't think his age is that much of a problem considering the time. there were plenty of kids who lied about their age to get into the army in the 40's, but if they made him 2 years older it wouldn't really change anything. You know they could even make him 17 and just have him in the boot camp training with all the other soldiers waiting till they day he turns 18 and can be shipped out.

[jab1118]

I would like to see Bucky as a partner in a military uniform no mask or costume maybe some kind of goggles like somebody suggested. Then have him die and return in a sequel as Winter soldier. As for his age I think it depends on the age of cap I think about a 5 to 10 year difference works if they ge a 30 year old Cap 20 year bucky works but if they go with an older Cap bucky should be in his mid 20s I want him to feel like his friend not his dad. Plus I would like him to be around same hight as Cap just much skinnier because I want him to bulk up later and be able to pull off winter soldier

[The Question]

Cap is usually depicted as being 19 when he was chosen for Project: Rebirth and about 20 when he first goes into action. Bucky was implied to be much younger in the early stories, but since then has been stated to be around 16 or 17 when he became Cap's partner, which really isn't all that unrealistic, especially if he's depicted as a combat prodigy due to his living on a military base his whole life as he was in Brubaker's run.

[jab1118]

True but I doubt were getting a Cap under 25 and if you look at the Cap thread I think the youngest choice in the poll is 29. Its easy to say Cap is 19 in comics and just draw him to look 30 in reality that cant be done. Im just saying if when they cast Cap I dont think its a must to stay with a teen Bucky.

[Artistsean]

I thought Cap in the comics was about mid 20s to early 30s?
and Bucky was about 18-early 20s. Or something, they detail their ages in the Sale/Loeb Captain America comic.

I hope they do use Bucky as Cap's partner(the nice way to say sidekick)
I don't get the problems with sidekicks like the refusal to even consider Robin from Nolan.
And it's not that far fetched for Cap to have a partner in the first place. plus a scene like this would translate very well
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/bryanss3/Bucky.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/bryanss3/bucky2.jpg

Bucky is more believable than Robin. He isn't that much younger than Cap and is in the army too so he has the training (according to these pages and the Sale/Loeb comic).
Maybe he was younger when he was introduced.
But he works and would translate better into live action films.
Robin doesn't make sense because Batman is fighting a war on crime, so why would he bring a child into the line of fire?
Originally Robin was brought in to boost sales, so that kids could relate to him and feel like they were Batman's sidekick.

Again, I am not sure about Bucky's origin, but it is reasonable to have another soldier team up with Captain America for missions.
But his costume, with minor modifications, could work too.
(In my opinion)

[bryanss3]

I thought Cap in the comics was about mid 20s to early 30s?
and Bucky was about 18-early 20s. Or something, they detail their ages in the Sale/Loeb Captain America comic.

Bucky is more believable than Robin. He isn't that much younger than Cap and is in the army too so he has the training (according to these pages and the Sale/Loeb comic).
Maybe he was younger when he was introduced.
But he works and would translate better into live action films.
Robin doesn't make sense because Batman is fighting a war on crime, so why would he bring a child into the line of fire?
Originally Robin was brought in to boost sales, so that kids could relate to him and feel like they were Batman's sidekick.

Again, I am not sure about Bucky's origin, but it is reasonable to have another soldier team up with Captain America for missions.
But his costume, with minor modifications, could work too.
(In my opinion)


Speaking of Loeb/Sale does anyone have any idea when Captain America White is actually going to come out?
Also I agree Bucky translates a lot better than Robin, but Robin is also completely adaptable. If you can believe a guy dresses up like a bat and fights crime. You can believe he'll let a child that is a mirror image of himself at that age fight crime with him.

[The Question]

True but I doubt were getting a Cap under 25 and if you look at the Cap thread I think the youngest choice in the poll is 29. Its easy to say Cap is 19 in comics and just draw him to look 30 in reality that cant be done. Im just saying if when they cast Cap I dont think its a must to stay with a teen Bucky.

I never saw them as drawing him like he was 30. Just drawing him like he was jacked out of my mind. I'm sure the actor will be older than the character, as is often the case unless you get an exceptionally talented young actor, but the fact is I don't want the difference in age to be huge and I still think Cap should be around 19 or 20 when he starts out.

I thought Cap in the comics was about mid 20s to early 30s?
and Bucky was about 18-early 20s. Or something, they detail their ages in the Sale/Loeb Captain America comic.

Nope. Cap was 19 years old when he signed up for Project Rebirth.



Bucky is more believable than Robin. He isn't that much younger than Cap and is in the army too so he has the training (according to these pages and the Sale/Loeb comic).
Maybe he was younger when he was introduced.
But he works and would translate better into live action films.
Robin doesn't make sense because Batman is fighting a war on crime, so why would he bring a child into the line of fire?
Originally Robin was brought in to boost sales, so that kids could relate to him and feel like they were Batman's sidekick.

Again, I am not sure about Bucky's origin, but it is reasonable to have another soldier team up with Captain America for missions.
But his costume, with minor modifications, could work too.
(In my opinion)

I don't think Robin's all that unbelievable. When Batman takes him under his wing he's a young teenager, and spends a considerable amount of time training the kid. By the time he's a full fledged partner he's in his mid teens, and Batman is well aware that he's better off doing this under his supervision than running off doing it on his own.

[Rage]

I like the Ultimates version. They can toughen him up a bit... the kid is in combat situations constantly. Maybe he asks to be Cap's photographer, so he can get into combat as an underage recruit...gets him into the action.

I love the idea of Bucky being old when Cap is thawed out.... but the whole guilt over his death is a great emotional weight to hang on Cap... Hmmmmmmmm

P.S. Joseph Gordon-Levitt for Bucky!!!

[Congo Jack]

I handle him exactly like Ed Brubaker's Bucky but with a standard military uniform.

How do people feel about Trevor Morgan (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0605080) for Bucky?

[Jerkofwonder]

I think Emile Hirsch is perfect for Brubaker Bucky.

[Captainhulk]

Handle Bucky the same way that Nolan handles Robin in his batman movies. Keep him the ***** out.

[Jerkofwonder]

Handle Bucky the same way that Nolan handles Robin in his batman movies. Keep him the ***** out.
Are you kidding? Robin is not an essential part of the origins of Batman. Bucky is for Cap. Don't make him a kid, go the Brubaker route.

[Rage]

While I agree that James Barnes needs to be in the movie... the costumed sidekick Bucky should NOT be in this movie. The character and his death (if they go that route and not the Ultimates route) is a huge motivator in Caps' emotional character arc.

I like a mix of stories. I like him to be a soldier (close to cap's age) who knows cap's secret. Cap needs someone to spill his guts to (he's like Cap's Alfred) As a writer's tool, he's great for getting Cap's emotions expressed verbally and he also symbolizes the average GI... so when he puts his life on the line... it means something.

What they need to avoid is the costume and the teenager angle. If Cap is 20-22... Bucky can be 18... or 16 and lied about his age.

Rage

[Congo Jack]

What they need to avoid is the costume and the teenager angle. If Cap is 20-22... Bucky can be 18... or 16 and lied about his age.
While I agree about the costume I don't think it's completely unworkable. The costume could be potentially justified as a propaganda element and just as in the image posted earlier as a symbol to inspire America's youth. He wouldn't have to wear it on the battlefield.

While I prefer sixteen year old Bucky (and actually don't see why anyone would have a problem with it...a sixteen year old angry about the death of his father that's as well-trained and ruthless as Buck was could be a hell of a fighter), a merging of the Ultimate reality where he's a kid that looks out for Steve on his block and that's how he ends up being Cap's partner works too. I hope that he doesn't end up as Cap's photographer a lá ULTIMATES though.

That great scene from ULTIMATES where youthful Steve meets his old friends in the present can still be achieved without losing the effect of Bucky dying on the plane. The Gail Richards character could be added. Best of both worlds scenario there.

[FVD]

Brubaker Bucky would be perfect. What more can I say?

[Changeling]

JGL as Bucky , and definitely go with the Ultimates. /Thread :D

[GNR]

Have Bucky be less of a colorful sidekick and more of a young soldier doing the dirty work and scouting (a la Brubaker).

Leave the door open for the Winter Soldier in future films.

[Deaths Head II]

I don't think Bucky should be a regular soldier. I think he should be given the role of Cap's partner. I would make his costume a mix between the comic costume and a soldier's uniform.

Something like this.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/Deaths_Head_II/Bucky-1.png?t=1238307463

[Jerkofwonder]

It would need even less color. No red gloves or boots in this movie, PLEASE.

[Deaths Head II]

Fine, brown gloves it is.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a283/Deaths_Head_II/Buckycopy.png?t=1238343231

[weezerspider]

I honestly never expected him to be in the film.

[kedrell]

I'd like to see the side-kick thing done, costume and all. The good thing about THAT is having Winter Soldier appear in a sequel....

On the other hand, having him as a photographer and re-uniting with Steve as an 80 something year old man in the present was such a great scene in the Ultimate Avengers toon, especially after revealing he married Steve's former girlfriend, that was just gut-wrenching, and will help the audience relate to Steve's loss.....

Either way would work for me...

Problem is that either would be fine(I prefer the latter version myself though) but they need to choose since it's virtually impossible to tweak it and incorperate them both.

[Jumpin' Jack]

How About Jamie Bell ( Billy Elliot, Defiance ) for Bucky ?

[RAMORE]

Pics of your ideal bucky?

My opinion is he has to be in the film and die at the end has too.

[Jerkofwonder]

How About Jamie Bell ( Billy Elliot, Defiance ) for Bucky ?
Jamie Bell would be a good choice. He's already shown he can do great period acting in King Kong.

[Jumpin' Jack]

Yeah and he's also kind of been in a "war" movie so I think he would be pretty good.

[Jerkofwonder]

Yeah and he's also kind of been in a "war" movie so I think he would be pretty good.
I'd still rather have Emile Hirsch.

[Silvermoth]

I still think Joseph Gordon Levitt is the best choice for Bucky. Have him disappear as a relic of Steve's past, a part of him he misses. Then bring him back as the Winter Soldier.

http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Joseph_Gordon-Levitt%20-%201%20-%20Brick.jpg

[kedrell]

I always wanted JGL for Rick Jones, but he'd be good as Bucky as well.

[Spider-Vader]

I'd go with him being a random military grunt who Cap befriends. Then, when Cap wakes up from being frozen, he thinks Bucky is dead. But Bucky returns in a Captain America sequel as Winter Soldier.

[scatterax]

Bucky should be a new recruit/rookie soldier in the beginning of the movie. cap and the red skull would be fighting 1 on 1 and bucky would go in to help cap against orders to stay put. than during the fight all 3 get frozen, and you never see bucky again the rest of the movie. he is believed dead.

than the next movie bring bucky back as winter soldier, and as a villain who hates cap. I guess cause he blames cap for leaving him frozen when the government thaws cap. and finally make him turn good @ the end of 2.



Well that's my rough idea on how to handle the character. anybody like? and what changes could be made to make it better, if any?

[Shockdingo]

Hmmm, I like the 616 Bucky idea, they just this camaraderie and Steve had someone who he could turn to who knew what it was like fighting on the battlefield in his unique way, plus he could play a nice role in the whole icon to the media. I haven't read the latest issues of Cap (waiting to have a massive read fest down the line), but from what I've seen here, coupled with his surprisingly edgy and dark attitude in Cable and Deadpool, I want him to be strong willed and ready to do what needs to be done, no hokey stuff or random soldier who dies off. I think he needs a lot of weight, also keeping the door open for Winter Soldier is a great idea. :)

[Keyser Soze]

I think including Bucky as Captain America's friend and partner in this original, WW2-set movie is a great idea. Make him apparently die, but in a way that he can be brought back as the Winter Soldier down the line. If they use the Red Skull as the villain in this first film, Winter Soldier would be a solid choice for a follow-up antagonist in a Captain America sequel set in the present.

[Anubis]

Gotta have Buck. 616 badass version.

[MilkmanDan]

than the next movie bring bucky back as winter soldier, and as a villain who hates cap. Do people really want Winter Soldier? Personally, I thought that was a bad idea well executed. Just because it worked suprisingly well in the comics doesn't mean that it would work in the movies.

[scatterax]

Do people really want Winter Soldier? Personally, I thought that was a bad idea well executed. Just because it worked suprisingly well in the comics doesn't mean that it would work in the movies.

winter soldiers kinda cool. why not put him in a sequel?

[MilkmanDan]

I didn't like the idea of bringing Bucky back. It worked better than I hoped thanks to good writing. However, I still think that the idea in itself wasn't necessarily a good one. Retcons, bringing back dead people etc tend to get annoying in comics. Killing Bucky in one movie and bringing him back as Winter Soldier in a sequel might not work as well in the movie as it did in the comics. And since Cap has plenty of other stories that could be told, I'd prefer they leave Winter Soldier alone.

[scatterax]

I didn't like the idea of bringing Bucky back. It worked better than I hoped thanks to good writing. However, I still think that the idea in itself wasn't necessarily a good one. Retcons, bringing back dead people etc tend to get annoying in comics. Killing Bucky in one movie and bringing him back as Winter Soldier in a sequel might not work as well in the movie as it did in the comics. And since Cap has plenty of other stories that could be told, I'd prefer they leave Winter Soldier alone.

but he doesn't have to die in the 1st 1. he could just get frozen w/ cap & skull

edit- plus, if he's just a soldier who gets frozen in the 1st movie, calling himself "winter soldier" will make perfect sense!!

[tamron]

Do people really want Winter Soldier? Personally, I thought that was a bad idea well executed.
:up:

[scatterax]

:up:

are you agreeing w/ him, or saying you want winter soldier?

[tamron]

are you agreeing w/ him, or saying you want winter soldier?

I agree with his point that Winter Soldier "was a bad idea well executed." I do not want Winter Soldier in a Cap/Avengers film. Were I doing the films, Bucky would die at Red Skull's hands in Captain America, and then in Avengers, working past the survivors' guilt would be part of Cap's character arc.

[scatterax]

I agree with his point that Winter Soldier "was a bad idea well executed." I do not want Winter Soldier in a Cap/Avengers film. Were I doing the films, Bucky would die at Red Skull's hands in Captain America, and then in Avengers, working past the survivors' guilt would be part of Cap's character arc.

but you'd @least make him die in the 40's? right? (i don't want bucky in "bucky form" in present day)

[S_H_F_4839]

Im a big fan of the brubaker run, my opinion is I would like to see Bucky be his partner, I could even see them explain it off as cap never calls him that initially and gets used to him. I would like to see the winter soldier featured in a sequel. Actually I would love to see the Death of Cap on screen down the road just because I think bucky is proving to be a pretty good cap now.

Another Idea I noticed is how popular spinoffs are getting talk about spinoffs here and spinoffs there, why not kill bucky off in the captain america movie, but I could see them spinning his character off into its own winter soldier movie with maybe a cap cameo in it.

[AnorexicBatman]

If the creator of this movie has the gall to include Bucky and make him work....
Then by all means all anti-Robin commentary should stop....
Seriously, they are the same and don't give me the Bucky has training BS....
Both were young teens when first introduced and had been given training by their mentors. Both are equally realistic... it's all fiction....

If you say they will make Bucky older then the same can be applied to Robin...

It's unfortunate that Nolan made you think you were watching a crime drama rather than a Batman movie because he's just that good...

[CaptainStacy]

Problem is that either would be fine(I prefer the latter version myself though) but they need to choose since it's virtually impossible to tweak it and incorperate them both.

Agreed.

[CaptainStacy]

I didn't like the idea of bringing Bucky back. It worked better than I hoped thanks to good writing. However, I still think that the idea in itself wasn't necessarily a good one. Retcons, bringing back dead people etc tend to get annoying in comics. Killing Bucky in one movie and bringing him back as Winter Soldier in a sequel might not work as well in the movie as it did in the comics. And since Cap has plenty of other stories that could be told, I'd prefer they leave Winter Soldier alone.

Well, by that logic, why do a Capatin America movie at all?

I mean, hey; just because Captain America worked in the comics "thanks to good writing" and all, doesnt mean it will work as a movie....right? :yay:

[jab1118]

If the creator of this movie has the gall to include Bucky and make him work....
Then by all means all anti-Robin commentary should stop....
Seriously, they are the same and don't give me the Bucky has training BS....
Both were young teens when first introduced and had been given training by their mentors. Both are equally realistic... it's all fiction....

If you say they will make Bucky older then the same can be applied to Robin...

It's unfortunate that Nolan made you think you were watching a crime drama rather than a Batman movie because he's just that good...

I disagree making Bucky older 18 19 doesnt really cange the character making Robin older fundementally changes him Bruce Wayne adopts Dick Grayson why would he need to adopt an adult. One of the dumbest things in Batman forever is that Bruce Wayne takes in a clearly mid 20's Chris odonnell

[Shockdingo]

Yea, I'm not against Robin in the Nolan-verse I don't think it is ridiculous or unrealistic, but I think they can wait a looooong time. I actually like Robin, but I just think Batman should go forward and grow more before he even considers taking in a ward, let alone training him to be an ally. Also no, biiiiiig no to making him older. I agree with jab about B:forever, that was just weird. Aging him would make things weird and I personally think it would make the meshing together odd.

About Winter Soldier, I said I support it, but I'd really wait for a later sequel, I don't want him brought back too early personally.

[Shockdingo]

Yea, I'm not against Robin in the Nolan-verse I don't think it is ridiculous or unrealistic, but I think they can wait a looooong time. I actually like Robin, but I just think Batman should go forward and grow more before he even considers taking in a ward, let alone training him to be an ally. Also no, biiiiiig no to making him older. I agree with jab about B:forever, that was just weird. Aging him would make things weird and I personally think it would make the meshing together odd.

About Winter Soldier, I said I support it, but I'd really wait for a later sequel, I don't want him brought back too early personally.

[MilkmanDan]

Well, by that logic, why do a Capatin America movie at all?

I mean, hey; just because Captain America worked in the comics "thanks to good writing" and all, doesnt mean it will work as a movie....right? :yay:The difference is that I don't consider Captain America in itself to be an inherently bad idea. As a basic idea "let's bring back Bucky as even though being a fondly remembered fallen comrade of Cap is the one thing that made Bucky special in the first place" doesn't sound promising. It could have easily ended up sucking. I mean, for all I know the Spider-Man issues where DocOck tries to marry Aunt May were entertaining, well-written ones, but I'm quite content without seeing that particular storyline in the movies.

[CaptainClown]

I am against Robin but for Bucky...

[jab1118]

I didn't like the idea of bringing Bucky back. It worked better than I hoped thanks to good writing. However, I still think that the idea in itself wasn't necessarily a good one. Retcons, bringing back dead people etc tend to get annoying in comics. Killing Bucky in one movie and bringing him back as Winter Soldier in a sequel might not work as well in the movie as it did in the comics. And since Cap has plenty of other stories that could be told, I'd prefer they leave Winter Soldier alone.

I sort of agree with you that bringing people back is never really a good idea. But I think it may actually work better in the movie than comics. Because in the movie you have the luxury of knowing that he is coming back when you kill him. So there are no retcons involved like in the comics, you dont have to go back and set it up that he was a bad ass, you make him a bad ass right off the bat. If winter soldier did appear in a later movie I wouldnt want it to be for a while put him in a third Cap movie that would be the fourth movie Cap appeared in by then And would be at least 6 years since we have seen Bucky. Allowing who ever plays him to get older, and allowing the impact of his death to set in thus making his return as a villain more powerful

[BDKRX]

I was thinking that they could connect Winter Soldier with Black Widow. Seeing as how WS was acquainted with her when he was brainwashed and working for the Soviets. Have a scene where you see him monitoring a mission the Avengers are on to keep an eye on Black Widow. But they never actually meet him.

Or maybe even show an after the credits scene in the Cap movie with some Soviets finding Bucky's body.

[Brian2887]

I love the emotion of Cap's reunion with aging Bucky in The Ultimates. Powerful stuff.

Young Bucky - Kyle Gallner (Veronica Mars, The Haunting In Connecticut, Danika)
http://st.blog.cz/d/dreamy-girl.blog.cz/obrazky/9447694.jpg
Old Bucky -Hal Holbrook (Into The Wild, Wall Street, Men of Honor)
http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/m/movies_for_grown_ups_awards_050208/hal_holbrook_1747184.jpg

Young Gale - Keri Russell (Waitress, Mission Impossible III, August Rush)
http://thequarterbin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/keri-russell-400ds0828.jpg
Old Gale - Vanessa Redgrave (Evening, Deep Impact, Venus)
http://www.gavinbarkerassociates.co.uk/images/actresses/vanessa-redgrave.jpg

[WillardNation]

I would really prefer they go the 616 route. I think it would be awesome to see Winter Soldier in a sequel.

[echostation]

Kyle Galanar looks like he would make a great Bucky... the real question is WHO WILL BUCKY THE KEPTIN... who will help provide the necessary Bucky support to the Captain America when he has to fight especially when fighting enemies afronting him and assaulting him.

There must be a cavalier galavant man who can play the Bucky, do the Bucky, BE the Bucky and not Buck the character into side alignment but be of necessary incredible supporting structure to the Captain's role and fighting. The Bucky is young, fresh and meant to be a pivotal cup in which the Captain can heal from should there be any necessary injuries he sustains in his fights in the film, The Bucky is always there to provide the necessary Bucked help... for if they do not bucky each other for support how will their growth revel in true glory especially when this character if in the script dies and the Captain now Keptin becomes left all alone as he is a man frozen in time... ilaanejaazebad...

My own cast to buck this role would be Peter Johnsons, James Williams jr, Monty Walsh Wellings...

[Project862006]

why not go for Anton Yelchin

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8463/antonyelchinterminatorsa.jpg

he is only 20

[Compi716]

Bucky is a very slippery slope.

One one hand, if you the Ultimate route, there is great potential there for Cap to be able to relate to someone in the modern world. He feels alone and out of place, and the elderly Bucky Barnes is the one person who Steve can just sit and relax with.

On the other hand, following the 616 route makes for GREAT storytelling. Cap watches his partner seemingly die before his eyes while he is spared, only to be woken up years later, completely alone. This also opens the gates for the Winter Soldier storyline (which I happen to LOVE) to be used in a future Cap sequel. Let's be honest, audiences love seeing a character from the past come back, or a once good man turned evil. It works every time.

So, as you can see, there are really two possible options. Personally, I'd go with the 616 version, but I would not hold it against them to go the Ultimate route.

[echostation]

one thing I don't get is why they haven't looked at some of the actors I've suggested... Hugh Billings and Parkins Masterson are also two fantastic potential candidates for the role to BUCKY THINGS UP with the CAP ala Jan Michael Vincent...

[Keyser Soze]

Anton Yelchin would make a good Bucky, though by 2011 he could be a little old. I guess he could still play a teen at 22...

[Project862006]

he is 20 now and can pass as a 17 year old i think he would be fine

[jab1118]

He is very small though and comes accross as a major pussy I am still not happy with him playing Kyle Reese, and seeing as how I am for him eventually becoming Witer Soldier i dont really like him he could never pull that off

[Keyser Soze]

He is very small though and comes accross as a major pussy I am still not happy with him playing Kyle Reese, and seeing as how I am for him eventually becoming Witer Soldier i dont really like him he could never pull that off

But Bucky is small, a scrappy underdog. He may put on some size later for Winter Soldier, but Bucky should be small.

[jab1118]

But Bucky is small, a scrappy underdog. He may put on some size later for Winter Soldier, but Bucky should be small.

I agree with you in theory, in a perfect world I would have a small bucky but im reality
that actor could never be winter soldier. Anton Yelchin is 5'9 and is 20 years old he aint getting any bigger. Im thinking for Bucky you have to get someone who is tall but keep him very skinny so he comes off as smaller. Then later he can bulk up as winter soldier. Yelchin could never be imposing enough to go toe to toe with whoever plays Cap

[Project862006]

who says they are even gonna go that far

[jab1118]

who says they are even gonna go that far
Nobody, I would sure like them to. But if they have no intent of ever doing winter soldier then by all means pick a little guy.

[Keyser Soze]

Nobody, I would sure like them to. But if they have no intent of ever doing winter soldier then by all means pick a little guy.

I don't see why Winter Soldier can't be small-framed. He's not a "super soldier", he's a normal guy. I think it would be more detrimental casting a big guy as Bucky than it would to cast a little guy who would go on to play Winter Soldier. When you think about the iconic image of Captain America and Bucky side by side, Bucky is always at least a head shorter than Cap.

[Sawyer]

why not go for Anton Yelchin

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8463/antonyelchinterminatorsa.jpg

he is only 20

I could definitely see him as either Bucky or Rick Jones.

[Dog Brother #1]

I'd like to see Bucky in the first one. He could be "killed" in the first one and the brought back as Winter Soldier in the sequels. I love Brubaker's run on this title. And I say Emile Hirsh for Winter Soldier.

[Keyser Soze]

I'd like to see Bucky in the first one. He could be "killed" in the first one and the brought back as Winter Soldier in the sequels. I love Brubaker's run on this title. And I say Emile Hirsh for Winter Soldier.

For Winter Soldier? Yeah. But for teenage Bucky in the original film? In 2011, Emile Hirsch will be 26, almost a decade older than what Bucky should be.

[Dog Brother #1]

Hirsh can play younger. Plus I'd rather see Bucky as more partner than "sidekick". You play him too young & you make him seem like a kid rather than a young man.

[Congo Jack]

If the creator of this movie has the gall to include Bucky and make him work....
Then by all means all anti-Robin commentary should stop....
Seriously, they are the same and don't give me the Bucky has training BS....
Both were young teens when first introduced and had been given training by their mentors. Both are equally realistic... it's all fiction....

If you say they will make Bucky older then the same can be applied to Robin...
Well... it's really very different.

At the beginning of WWII Bucky was about 16 - there were plenty of 16 year olds that lied about their age so they could fight in WWII. Cap and Bucky fought for five years, so Bucky's 20/21 by the time he gets blown up and is presumed dead.

He is very small though and comes accross as a major pussy I am still not happy with him playing Kyle Reese, and seeing as how I am for him eventually becoming Witer Soldier i dont really like him he could never pull that off
According to Marvel's official site, Bucky's 5'9" and 260 lbs.

I sticking with my pick of Trevor Morgan (http://forums.superherohype.com/www.imdb.com/name/nm0605080) for now.

[Keyser Soze]

Trevor Morgan was really good in Mean Creek. But I don't know how he's grown up since then.

[Congo Jack]

That IMDb link's broken... hopefully this one (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0605080/) will work.

[protocida]

Bucky should be in it, but not as Captain America's costumed sidekick. I don't know if I'd like to see him as Winter Soldier. His Ultimate version appeals to me.

[scatterax]

I say just make bucky a young soldier, who was friends w/ cap b4 he and cap got frozen.

and he should get thawed out and become winter soldier in the sequel. (maybe.)

so ya, he should only be a few years younger than cap in the movie version, imo.

[Dog Brother #1]

I say just make bucky a young soldier, who was friends w/ cap b4 he and cap got frozen.

and he should get thawed out and become winter soldier in the sequel. (maybe.)

so ya, he should only be a few years younger than cap in the movie version, imo.


:yay: :up:

[scatterax]

...i mean, i really only want him to have a minor role (as bucky) in the 1st film. and if he comes back for part 2, and like half way through the movie it's reveled that the main villain is actually his friend from the 1st film who he thought we long dead, than imagine how shock the (non-comic fan) audiance will be in the theaters.:word:

[Webhead2006]

YEa i would like to see that done.

[scatterax]

:yay: :up:

YEa i would like to see that done.

wow, 4 once people are agreeing w/ me, and liking my ideas.

cool!!!

[Compi716]

...i mean, i really only want him to have a minor role (as bucky) in the 1st film. and if he comes back for part 2, and like half way through the movie it's reveled that the main villain is actually his friend from the 1st film who he thought we long dead, than imagine how shock the (non-comic fan) audiance will be in the theaters.:word:
Oh yeah. Plus, the Winter Soldier storyline has so much emotional oomph it's just so hard to say no to!

[vanillacyke]

I'd just like to say, Anton Yelchin for Bucky! That is as perfect of casting as your gonna get. Some guy's were talking about this earlier and it's just perfect, Anton Yelchin for Bucky.

[scatterax]

I'd just like to say, Anton Yelchin for Bucky! That is as perfect of casting as your gonna get. Some guy's were talking about this earlier and it's just perfect, Anton Yelchin for Bucky.

i kinda like that idea.

[Keyser Soze]

Bucky should be in it, but not as Captain America's costumed sidekick. I don't know if I'd like to see him as Winter Soldier. His Ultimate version appeals to me.

While the Ultimate version has its strengths too, I think you could portray Bucky - character wise, at least - exactly like Ed Brubaker has in the comics, without any risk of it being silly. An orphaned teenage army brat is assigned to Captain America as his partner, ostensibly as a propaganda tool to counter the Hitler Youth, but actually to serve the role as advance scout, and do the dirty jobs Captain America must have plausible deniability of. Just alter the costume to remove the blue hotpants/red tights combo, if needs be, while keeping the character's role in the story the same.

[louiebling$]

I agree with Keyser on this one :up:

[The Ace of Knaves]

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[topdog1]

Bucky will be used for comic relief. I just hope that they pull the rug out from viewers and kill Bucky as Cap gets thrown in to suspended animation. They need that angst and guilt to add depth to the man out of time concept. It probably won't happen because I have a feeling that this movie is going the Ultimate Avengers animated DVD route.

Bucky is too much like Robin to general audiences and having any costume would simply kill the entire film. Even Stan Lee himself thought this was a silly concept and that was silly back in the 60's. That says it all. Winter Soldier works in the books but it's bad soap opera in any film. AGE Bucky (preferably kill him) and NO costume side-kick PLEASE.

[The Ace of Knaves]

I think Bucky could work seriously, he doesn't have to be just comic relief.

[Compi716]

I think Bucky could work seriously, he doesn't have to be just comic relief.
Yeah, use Bucky the way Brubaker does in the WWII flashbacks. Bucky was the espionage man. He got behind enemy lines and slit soldier's throats when no one else could.

[WillardNation]

While the Ultimate version has its strengths too, I think you could portray Bucky - character wise, at least - exactly like Ed Brubaker has in the comics, without any risk of it being silly. An orphaned teenage army brat is assigned to Captain America as his partner, ostensibly as a propaganda tool to counter the Hitler Youth, but actually to serve the role as advance scout, and do the dirty jobs Captain America must have plausible deniability of. Just alter the costume to remove the blue hotpants/red tights combo, if needs be, while keeping the character's role in the story the same.

That's exactly what I'd like to see in the movie.

[CaptainClown]

Yeah, use Bucky the way Brubaker does in the WWII flashbacks. Bucky was the espionage man. He got behind enemy lines and slit soldier's throats when no one else could.
That is how I imagined it going down. Bucky is the young face who can be skilled at placing bombs under bridges and shizzy. Cap is the one who is the face who charges full force towards the nazis. Bucky also could be the one friend who knows Cap before the transformation and understands to a degree the amount of pressure on him.

[Congo Jack]

Bucky also could be the one friend who knows Cap before the transformation and understands to a degree the amount of pressure on him.
The only problem with Bucky knowing Steve before he becomes Cap is that Buck couldn't have undergone the same amount of training since he wouldn't have been living as an army brat his whole life. The concept that they know each other before is another good idea from Ultimates, particularly that Bucky was sticking up for Steve in the tough Brooklyn streets. But he's out of place being beside Cap doing the things Brubaker has shown him doing if he hasn't got that SAS, Green Beret, whole kit and kaboodle training.

[scatterax]

While the Ultimate version has its strengths too, I think you could portray Bucky - character wise, at least - exactly like Ed Brubaker has in the comics, without any risk of it being silly. An orphaned teenage army brat is assigned to Captain America as his partner, ostensibly as a propaganda tool to counter the Hitler Youth, but actually to serve the role as advance scout, and do the dirty jobs Captain America must have plausible deniability of. Just alter the costume to remove the blue hotpants/red tights combo, if needs be, while keeping the character's role in the story the same.

honestly, i don't think i like ur idea 4 bucky. it makes him seam like some political stunt, and 1 that isn't needed. especially if they go for a younger cap.

[Keyser Soze]

Seems like Bucky is definitely going to show up in the film in one form or another:

Feige said that it's a "safe bet" that Bucky is going to show up in Captain America.

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/14350/kevin-feige-gives-marvel-film-updates

[Keyser Soze]

The only problem with Bucky knowing Steve before he becomes Cap is that Buck couldn't have undergone the same amount of training since he wouldn't have been living as an army brat his whole life. The concept that they know each other before is another good idea from Ultimates, particularly that Bucky was sticking up for Steve in the tough Brooklyn streets. But he's out of place being beside Cap doing the things Brubaker has shown him doing if he hasn't got that SAS, Green Beret, whole kit and kaboodle training.

Yeah, this is true. I think you can get a better dynamic by having Bucky be skeptical about Captain America when he's first paired with him, but his respect - and ultimately, friendship - grows when he comes to know the man behind the mask.

[scatterax]

Seems like Bucky is definitely going to show up in the film in one form or another:



http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/14350/kevin-feige-gives-marvel-film-updates

any1 have any idea on what that 2012 movie they gonna announce later is??

hoping hulk 2. but it could be a reboot of another marvel movie like DD FF or blade.

I can also see them announcing a black panther movie, or even namor.

(i really hope marvel gets a namor movie out b4 dc does aquaman so the world gets to see the original king of atlantis on film 1st.:woot:)

[Keyser Soze]

any1 have any idea on what that 2012 movie they gonna announce later is??

hoping hulk 2. but it could be a reboot of another marvel movie like DD FF or blade.

I can also see them announcing a black panther movie, or even namor.

(i really hope marvel gets a namor movie out b4 dc does aquaman so the world gets to see the original king of atlantis on film 1st.:woot:)

Unfortunately, I believe Fox still own the rights to Daredevil and Fantastic Four, so I doubt it will be them.

A Sub-Mariner film could be interesting (I still think they should roughly follow the template of awesome mini-series The Depths), and I think a Dr. Strange film could also be a possibility.

[scatterax]

Unfortunately, I believe Fox still own the rights to Daredevil and Fantastic Four, so I doubt it will be them.

A Sub-Mariner film could be interesting (I still think they should roughly follow the template of awesome mini-series The Depths), and I think a Dr. Strange film could also be a possibility.

dude w/ marvel there are so many possibilities. yet w/ dc only batman is getting (and now GL) are getting any attention. lol

i hope they can @least get movies 4 the rest of they're main 5 soon. (flash, wonder woman and a superman reboot.)

[Project862006]

i am putting money on Dr. Strange!!!

[protocida]

I bet in Dr. Strange.

And I'd use Ultimate Bucky.

[Webhead2006]

Yea i bet strange will be next after avengers. I do remember reading he was one of the few other character marvel studios has full rights on. And they were/hoping to get him along with what else antman/runaways who are also under full marvel control.

[Spider-ManHero12]

Great to know Bucky's going to be in the film. As for what Marvel film will be announced for 2012, I'm hoping for Hulk 2, but if not, I'm thinking Sub-Mariner or Dr. Strange, which, IMO, would be awesome! Here's hoping it's either one of those. :up:

[Sub-Zero]

i wouldn't mind if bucky was like cap's handler, but the other soldiers just saw him as a sidekick to cap.

[Webhead2006]

Yea that could work. Or he could just be a regular soldier in the unit that cap is with and becomes cap's number 1 fan pretty much.

[Dog Brother #1]

I like the Brubaker story for Buck. The only thing I don't want to see is the tacky red & blue uniform. It may work alright for the comics, But I have trouble seeing it tranlated well in screen. But who knows. We'll see. I 'd prefer the regular army outfit he wore in the Ultimate line.

[Webhead2006]

Yea just keep bucky/rest of the regular soliders in regular 1940s military garb.