The Marvel Heroes Battle Thread

[Genesis 1.0]

lawls

Thanos

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Thanos wins 11- zip

[The_Mighty_Thor]

WALLOP

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/299211-33298-walter-destine_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/33298-walter-destine/105-299211/)

VS

SASQUATCH

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11136/655990-sasquatch_gallery26_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/sasquatch_gallery26/105-655990/)

[Ace of Knaves]

Sasquatch

[3dman27]

saquatch

[CanaryFan]

Wallop

[WolfCypher]

Sasquatch

[Johnny Blaze]

I have no idea who the **** Wallop is, so I'm going to pass on this round.

[Silicon Surfer]

Wallop

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I have no idea who the **** Wallop is, so I'm going to pass on this round.

Powers
Being born of an immortal and a genie, Walter is extremely long-lived, and still remains in his prime today. He is also able to assume a giant, hulking, blue alter-ego capable of superhuman strength, endurance, and resistance to injury. Apparently, Walter can control (or in case of rage, cannot control) the degree of enhanced strength his form assumes-- greater strength means a bigger form (and often hair-like flames atop his head.) Walter can never fully control the extent of reversion back to his normal form-- sometimes taking days to regain human size again.

So basically he's Clandestines Hulk

3-2 Sasquatch so far.

[Johnny Blaze]

How long does it take him to increase his strength? And how good of a fighter is he?
Does he maintain his intelligence when he's all genied up?
How does his strength compare to the Hulk?

Yeah, I ask alotta questions. I know. :o

[Silicon Surfer]

IIRC most of the time he retains his intelligence. It takes a few seconds and he is a moderately skilled hth combatant who was in the military in WW2. He took out a robot that defeated the Invaders including Namor presumably. It has however been a long time since I read Clan Destine so I can't swear to anything I just said. :)

[Genesis 1.0]

Wow, a WALLOP match. It's pretty good and close.....

Wallop

[greenrage36]

Langkowski takes this one...he's overall stronger and quite a bit smarter too...Wallop is...well, walloped by better brains AND brawn...ouchie!!!

(Mr. Wallop sir, ...care to have that large orange footprint removed from you hind end?) :hehe:

[Majic Walrus]

Sasquatch. As I recall Walter's rage kept him from being able to think or control his powers and he usually ended up punching something that later crushed him.

Sasquatch wins.

[Anubis]

Big Foot

[Johnny Blaze]

I imagine they both have pretty big feet. But which one's tootsies take it? We may never know. :o

[Anubis]

Actually, Wallop has surprisingly tiny feet. Petite feet.

[Johnny Blaze]

Poor Wallop. No wonder he's pissed off. :csad:

How did he perform such amazing stunts, with such tiny feet? :o

[Anubis]

:applaudFor the Blazing Saddles reference.

[Johnny Blaze]

Only the best for you. :awesome:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Gonna go with Wallop myself. He can get stronger than Sas and he took out that robot that dropped the Invaders so he's no slouch in a fight.

Sasquatch wins 6-4.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

ROCKSLIDE

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6754/964389-senza_titolo_1_copia_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/senza_titolo_1_copia/105-964389/)

VS

THE THING

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/647907-thing_marko_djurdjevic01_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/thing_marko_djurdjevic01/105-647907/)

[Majic Walrus]

As much as I love Ben I have to go with the guy with better powers. Rockslide wins. :(

[Chunin]

Damn 'ol Blue........

Rockslide

[Genesis 1.0]

Ben's going down HARD.....if it ween't for his ridiculous experience edge. It's a toss up, Rock's got better powers and Ben's a veteran.

Rockslide

[Anubis]

Rockslide, that's that douche from the New X-Men right? Yeah, i'm gonna go with Ben. Sure his powers are pretty great, and yeah, it's nearly impossible to kill him, but, as you know, when in doubt, throw his ass as far as you can. End of Fight.

[CanaryFan]

Experience trumps flying fists and exploding body parts. How is that any different than any other strong character throwing stuff at Ben? I'll go with the guy who has gone up against every heavy hitting villain in the marvel universe and most more than once.

The ever lovin blue eyed Thing FTW!

[Genesis 1.0]

Rockslide's going to explode on him and bust his ass and not necessarily in that order.

[Silicon Surfer]

Yeah Ben has been up against most of the heavy hitters in Marvel but he lost to virtually all of them. I think that Ben has lost more fights to more different strong guys than anybody in either Marvel or DC. Rockslide ftw.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, Ben IS an epic loser.

Marvel's Big Orange Doormat.

[3dman27]

The idol of millions

[Majic Walrus]

Experience trumps flying fists and exploding body parts. How is that any different than any other strong character throwing stuff at Ben? I'll go with the guy who has gone up against every heavy hitting villain in the marvel universe and most more than once.

The ever lovin blue eyed Thing FTW!

That's like comparing getting hit by a frag grenade or getting hit by a baseball. They are obviously different.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Yeah, except you're talking about a rock skinned guy getting hit by pieces of rock instead of flesh getting hit by shrapnel. Other than the flying fist power that he's lost what are these great powers that Rockslide is suposed to have? I've seen him reform after being blown up but I've never seen him blow himself up as an attack. I've seen him come back as a lava creature after being blown up but that was in part due to the heat of the explosion, he can't just turn himself into a lava creature to attack. When he reforms after exploding it takes time and he's needed the help of others to do it a few times. So what am I missing? What else can he do?

[Mazrim Taim]

Rockslide

[Majic Walrus]

Yeah, except you're talking about a rock skinned guy getting hit by pieces of rock instead of flesh getting hit by shrapnel. Other than the flying fist power that he's lost what are these great powers that Rockslide is suposed to have? I've seen him reform after being blown up but I've never seen him blow himself up as an attack. I've seen him come back as a lava creature after being blown up but that was in part due to the heat of the explosion, he can't just turn himself into a lava creature to attack. When he reforms after exploding it takes time and he's needed the help of others to do it a few times. So what am I missing? What else can he do?

It's not just rock that he can use to form his outer shell and that he can explode. As I understand it he can use any mineral from the surrounding area. Including heavy metals where available.

The ability to strike from a distance is a great asset. By your own admission they're really just two rock guys beating the rock out of each other. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to hit your opponent with a fist traveling at explosive force when he was still out of range?

[Genesis 1.0]

It's not just rock that he can use to form his outer shell and that he can explode. As I understand it he can use any mineral from the surrounding area. Including heavy metals where available.

The ability to strike from a distance is a great asset. By your own admission they're really just two rock guys beating the rock out of each other. Wouldn't it be nice to be able to hit your opponent with a fist traveling at explosive force when he was still out of range?

Awesome. Just awesome.:hehe:

But seriously, Ben's mor popular and well known whereas Rockslide isn't a manstream face so in these cases, the more established character usually gets the nod. That goes double wen it's close.

In my estimation, Rockslide's simply the better fighter here and with an expanded set that gives him the edge.

[Anubis]

How in f**ks name is he a better fighter than Ben Grimm? He's an effin' teenager.

[Silicon Surfer]

Ben isn't made out of rock his skin is simply that... skin. It is compressed epidermis that looks sort of like brick. It can and has been chipped away by attacks such as ordinary gunfire in large quantities. Rockslide's form is probably the harder.

[Genesis 1.0]

How in f**ks name is he a better fighter than Ben Grimm? He's an effin' teenager.

That's like saying Jarvis is a better fighter than Echo simply because he's older.

Age has nothing to do with skill as long as you're damn good at what you do.

[Johnny Blaze]

I gotta go with the Thing on this one. He'll dress Rockslide up in a tutu, call him Suzanne, and make him his little cabana boy.

Which will be ****in' sexy, and I'm now waiting for Marvel to make that a one-shot. :o

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I'd go with Ben myself for the experience and I've never seen anything spectacular from Rockslide.


The 2 rock heads knock each other out with a 5-5 tie.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

COUNT NEFARIA

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/141400-39718-count-nefaria_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/39718-count-nefaria/105-141400/)

VS

SENTRY

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/6130/148994-75622-sentry_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/75622-sentry/105-148994/)

[Ace of Knaves]

Sentry.

[Hound55]

Sentry loses his **** and kicks... *looks up to check opponent*... Count Nefaria's arse.

[CanaryFan]

Nafaria, Sentry is a mental wuss!

[PemLam]

Sentry

[Ace of Knaves]

Nafaria, Sentry is a mental wuss!

Yea but if Sentry went full tilt and just completely lost it like he nearly did in WWH he could beat pretty much any one I reckon. Nefaria most definitely is one of em.

[Majic Walrus]

This is kind of one-sided.... Sentry.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

This is kind of one-sided.... Sentry.

:whatever:You and your one sided match ups! Nafaria Has taken on the entire Avengers before and won. He caught Mjolnir in mid swing with his bare hand. Thor could probably beat Sentry and if not it would be a hell of a fight. If Nafaria can fight Thor and others at the same time then there is no way in hell this is one sided in Sentry's favor.

[Anubis]

Nefaria

[3dman27]

the not so good count

[Silicon Surfer]

Nefaria ftw, yeah he treated Thor like a joke.

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, Sentry hate is off the chain as is evident once again.


SENTRY

Suck on those eggs.

[Anubis]

They're sour, and abnormally small. Pathetic really. You should see a doctor.

[Genesis 1.0]

How would you know what Sentry's eggs are like?:dry:

[Ace of Knaves]

:whatever:You and your one sided match ups! Nafaria Has taken on the entire Avengers before and won. He caught Mjolnir in mid swing with his bare hand. Thor could probably beat Sentry and if not it would be a hell of a fight. If Nafaria can fight Thor and others at the same time then there is no way in hell this is one sided in Sentry's favor.

Ehh if Sentry went all out he could beat Thor.

[Genesis 1.0]

A hell of a fight but yeah, he'd drop him.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Sentry leads 5-4

[Steel Thunder]

sentry

[Anubis]

How would you know what Sentry's eggs are like?:dry:

Eggy Sense.

[Majic Walrus]

:doh:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Well I guess I would expect Sentry to be the last one standing here but only after a long and brutal battle.

Sentry wins 7-4

[The_Mighty_Thor]

THE AVENGERS
(Thor, Wonder Man, Iron Man, Vision, Firestar
Marvel Boy, Hawkeye, Captain America, Scarlet witch and Ms Marvel)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/15776/732468-avengers2_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/avengers2/105-732468/)

VS

THE X-MEN
(Rogue, Jean Grey, Iceman, Cyclops, Archangel, Storm
Bishop, Beast, Colossus and Wolverine)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/85088-152673-x-men_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/152673-x-men/105-85088/)

[Anubis]

Avengers

[Silicon Surfer]

X-Men

[Genesis 1.0]

There's no real answer for Thor OR Wonder Man in the X-Men's roster and THAT swings it for me. That X-Men lineup is tough but that Avengers group is just overwhelming power.


Avengers

[Sparta*]

tough.....

Avengers

Thor and Wonderman seal it for me

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, the X-Men lost to the Imperial Guard and that version of he Guard is weaker than the set of Avengers present.

[Silicon Surfer]

In her first appearance Rogue alone took out most of the Avengers including Thor. I believe Iron Man, Captain America and Wonder Man were also there.

[Genesis 1.0]

1st appearance. Seems key to your statement.

You're pointing out the exception and not the rule, the majority of her history says she gets anal invasion by Thor.

[Sparta*]

Plus now the Avengers would be prepared for her absorbing powers

[Anubis]

Plus, shut the f**k up SS. :o

[Silicon Surfer]

1st appearance. Seems key to your statement.

You're pointing out the exception and not the rule, the majority of her history says she gets anal invasion by Thor.

That was also before her X-Men combat training.

[Anubis]

I'd have to say having Captain f**king America know what you're capable of trumps X-Men Combat training.

[CanaryFan]

No amount of combat training she will receive in her lifetime can match what Thor has and I don't think she can absorb anything from Iron Man through his suit.

Based on how Simon usually fights or at least leads off I think he and Bishop would make an interesting match. If the X-men pair off wisely with the Avengers they could make this interesting but in the end the Avengers will take it.

[Silicon Surfer]

As I understand it Rogue can now access all the abilities of anyone she has absorbed. One of the first was Captain America whose full knowledge and ability set she should now have. She would also have the full combat skills of Thor since he was also absorbed.

[Anubis]

She can't do that. Particularly since she....what's the best way to put this....flushed out her Brain. She'd have to touch either of them again to get all that again.

At least she can bang Gambit finally. Though how long that s**t lasts who knows.

[Genesis 1.0]

Where's the beef here? No way in hell Rouge matches up with Thor.

But yeah, Wonderan / Bishop is damn interesting.

[Mazrim Taim]

X-Men

[Johnny Blaze]

The Avengers bend the X-Men over like the dirty little ****s they are, and...well, you can use your imagination. :o

[Silicon Surfer]

How about Jean simply mind locks the Avengers so that they stand still and unaware. Then they call the press and leave the Avengers standing still and frozen without a stitch among them while they stroll away unobserved.

[Anubis]

Cuz Jean has never done that and therefore wouldn't. Besides, Stark Probably has psi blockers.

[Silicon Surfer]

Cuz Jean has never done that and therefore wouldn't. Besides, Stark Probably has psi blockers.

As to whether Jean would or wouldn't, it seems to me that there was some ...minor... storyline that hinted at Jean having a dark side to her personality. Something about casually killing a few billion people.

Stark has indeed used his suit for many years to block psi powers and I believe that he does have a dedicated psi shield now but it's effectiveness against high level psi talents AFAIK has yet to be proven. Even if it is effective that would still leave the rest of the Avengers mind locked and Stark alone against the rest of the X-Men.

[Anubis]

Dark phoenix Jean doesn't happen often enough for that to do relevant.

Stark Alone, but smart enough to take Jean, who wouldn't do a psi lock in the first place, out.

[PemLam]

Are the Scarlet Witch's powers still reality warping as opposed to "chaos magic"? If so, wouldnt' that crazy ***** just turn all the X-Men into gibberish spouting vegetables or something?

Avengers win.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

She was just regular Scarlet Witch in that line up but you know with some of the ridiculous theoretical strategies people throw around in these threads I could easily say she would just wave her hand in the air and make Scott's visor malfunction and take out his own team.

[Majic Walrus]

The Avengers win this. They have more skills, more training, and more experience. As for the "heavy hitters" on the X-Men side? They'll be taken out quick by long rangers like Hawkeye and Iron Man.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hawkeye taking out 'heavy hitters'?

That's some funny s***.

And I voted for the Avengers already.

[Anubis]

People with a lot of power but physically are soft and squishy. Like Storm, or Jean Grey.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Avengers win 7-3

[The_Mighty_Thor]

BEAST

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3133/113155-152040-beast_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/152040-beast/105-113155/)

VS

SPIDER-MAN

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/83126-48614-spider-man_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/48614-spider-man/105-83126/)

[PemLam]

Spidey! :spidey:

[SurfDUI]

Spider-Man

[Majic Walrus]

Spider-Man. He does WHATEVER a spider can.

[Ace of Knaves]

And Spiders can beat cats?

[Anubis]

If they're poisonous and managed to bite their ass they can.

[Ace of Knaves]

B-But that's cheating!

[Johnny Blaze]

Spider-Man turns Beast into a nice fur coat Christmas present for Aunt May.

[3dman27]

this match won compliments of your friendly neighborhood SPIDER-MAN

[Silicon Surfer]

Spidey.

[Sparta*]

Spider-man, with not too much effort

[Genesis 1.0]

Man, I love being Devil's advocate but this is too much.

Spider-Man

[WolfCypher]

Spidey.

[Hound55]

Spidey.

[Genesis 1.0]

There's just no reason for Hank to win. He's outclassed in Inteligence, Strength, Speed, Agility, and Powerset.

[Anubis]

Intelligence? I don't know about that. Parker is after all the worlds smartest dumbass.

[Hound55]

There's just no reason for Hank to win. He's outclassed in Inteligence, Strength, Speed, Agility, and Powerset.
Well, yeah.

Normally I'd give a reason but in a bout like this one I thought one word would suffice.

[Genesis 1.0]

Intelligence? I don't know about that. Parker is after all the worlds smartest dumbass.

Heh, you always call him that because he hasn't used his intellect to get rich or make any sort of profit off it but in a battle, he usually uses his superior intelligence to it's fullest.

Maybe he likes being broke or living in 2nd class apartments.

[Hound55]

Heh, you always call him that because he hasn't used his intellect to get rich or make any sort of profit off it but in a battle, he usually uses his superior intelligence to it's fullest.

Maybe he likes being broke or living in 2nd class apartments.
He's an Epicurian superhero... a loaf of bread, a jug of water...

[Genesis 1.0]

The Mandela of Marvel.

The Patriarch of Poverty.

[Hound55]

There's some more titles to go with his Arachnid of Angst title... which is clearly undisputed.

[Genesis 1.0]

Clearly undisputed.

We could sub in for Don King.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Spidey wins 11-0

[The_Mighty_Thor]

SKAAR

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39876/896130-skaar1variant_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/skaar1variant/105-896130/)

VS

BETA RAY BILL

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/27967/671188-beta_ray_bill_returns_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/beta_ray_bill_returns/105-671188/)

[Ace of Knaves]

Good match. This will be a planet destroyer.

I'm going for my boy Bill!

[PemLam]

Beta Ray

[Anubis]

Bill

[3dman27]

brb

[Sparta*]

gotta go with BRB

[Silicon Surfer]

Bill

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Poor Skaar's getting his ass whooped 6-0

[Genesis 1.0]

Skaar

[Chunin]

Beta Ray Bill

[Wilderbeast]

Skaar is the main product of everything wrong with the Hulk so i choose Bill.

[CanaryFan]

Skaar

[Anubis]

Skaar is the main product of everything wrong with the Hulk so i choose Bill.


I think you have Skaar confused with Rulk. Skaar's actually good people.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

8-2 BRB so far

[Ace of Knaves]

Skaar is the main product of everything wrong with the Hulk so i choose Bill.

You're confused, friend. That's Rulk.

[3dman27]

You're confused, friend. That's Rulk.

you realize that by saying "rulk"you sound like scooby doo

[Ace of Knaves]

Rrrraaggy?

[Genesis 1.0]

Skaar is the main product of everything wrong with the Hulk so i choose Bill.

Damn, and I actually like Skaar, then again I don't really mind Red Hulik.:cmad:

[Majic Walrus]

Skaar

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Gotta go with Bill myself. That brings the total to 9-3 in favor of Beta Ray Bill.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

MOON KNIGHT

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/844622-1245401598_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/1245401598/105-844622/)

VS

BLACK PANTHER
(Kasper Cole)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/981/86737-47911-black-panther_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/47911-black-panther/105-86737/)

[Anubis]

T'Challa or the one in the pic, Kasper Cole?

[Johnny Blaze]

T'Challa takes him down hard. He's a better tactician, better fighter, is better equipped, and has access to waaay better resources than Moon Knight does.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

T'Challa or the one in the pic, Kasper Cole?

Kasper

[Anubis]

Oh, well, Moon Knight then.

I do miss Kasper though.

[Steel Thunder]

Black panther

[Johnny Blaze]

Well, It's a toss up for me, but I'll take Moon Knight over Kasper Cole.

What the **** happened to T'Challa if he's got both his sister and Cole running around as Black Panthers now?

[Anubis]

You sure about that? That's not T'Challa. That's Kasper Cole. At the time he didn't have any of BP's gifts. He's nowhere near as smart. Doesn't have the money. The peak human strength. In fact, all he had was the Panther's Vibranium weave suit, and some of Punisher's 45's with Mercy Bullets.

Well, It's a toss up for me, but I'll take Moon Knight over Kasper Cole.

What the **** happened to T'Challa if he's got both his sister and Cole running around as Black Panthers now?

Kasper happend awhile ago. Before Priest's run got canceled. BP was on the run. Killmonger was back from his coma, and this NYC detective found BP's costume in a garbage can all "Spider-Man no more" like. He ran around trying to stop this all powerful street gang, before Killmonger got in touch with him and tried to get him to be a White Tiger.

[Johnny Blaze]

Thanks for info. :up:


But I'm Johnny Blaze, God dammit! Not ****ing Johnny Drama. :cmad::o:csad:

[Anubis]

...oops. I'm soooo sorry. :(

[Johnny Blaze]

It's cool, homie. You am forgiven. :heart:

[Genesis 1.0]

Moon Knight

[WolfCypher]

Casper gets ghosted by Moon Knight.

[Hound55]

Thanks for info. :up:


But I'm Johnny Blaze, God dammit! Not ****ing Johnny Drama. :cmad::o:csad:
Whatever... just hurry up and drop another Ultima post... :oldrazz:

And Moon Knight with things how THIS specific MK/BP match up is.

[PemLam]

Moon Knight

[Ace of Knaves]

Moony the loony!!! :awesome: The guy feeds off pain. The more hurt he gets, the more bat **** crazy and brutal he gets. I think he'd literally peel Kasper's skin off his bones.

[Majic Walrus]

I think there was a rule about this....

MOON KNIGHT!

[Anubis]

Well, you gotta take into account that if Kasper is able to get him with a few rounds of those Mercy Bullets, he's either gonna slow down, or fall the f**k out. Moony is crazy enough to stand there and try and take a few bullets.

[Ace of Knaves]

That would be hilarious to see.

[Johnny Blaze]

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[Genesis 1.0]

Scrape up another 3 and might be able to afford the comic it'd be in.

[Hound55]

Well, you gotta take into account that if Kasper is able to get him with a few rounds of those Mercy Bullets, he's either gonna slow down, or fall the f**k out. Moony is crazy enough to stand there and try and take a few bullets.
Bulls###.

Moony wouldn't STAND there and take that...

Moony would be trying to run THROUGH the f***ers...

[Harlekin]

I love me the Kaps, but Moon Knight takes it. He's better trained and certifiably insane.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Moon Knight takes it 9-1

[The_Mighty_Thor]

GREEN GOBLIN

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35895/923458-byrne_green_goblin_1_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/byrne_green_goblin_1/105-923458/)

VS

DOCTOR OCTOPUS

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/1772/91344-38868-doctor-octopus_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/38868-doctor-octopus/105-91344/)

[Ace of Knaves]

Ooooooo good one!

Contemplation required.

[PemLam]

Have to give it to Goblin because of his range based attacks. If Doc Ock can get ahold of him, it's game over, but I don't think GG would let that happen.

[Genesis 1.0]

We talking Norman Goblin here?

[Majic Walrus]

My first instinct is to go with the Gob, but I think Ock is just smarter. The only thing that Gob has going for him is the ranged attacks which are rendered all but useless when you're fighting a guy with four giant mechanical arms. Ock could easily catch exploding pumpkins and keep them at a safe distance or even toss them back at Goblin.

Doctor Octavius wins.

[3dman27]

doc ock

[Genesis 1.0]

My first instinct is to go with the Gob, but I think Ock is just smarter. The only thing that Gob has going for him is the ranged attacks which are rendered all but useless when you're fighting a guy with four giant mechanical arms. Ock could easily catch exploding pumpkins and keep them at a safe distance or even toss them back at Goblin.

Doctor Octavius wins.


I agree in essence but Ock's arms have been blown up, trashed, confused, and rendered useless before so I'm not sold on them just taking ____ amount of bombs and emerging A OK.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Goblin's thrown a bag full of bombs all at once before and I doubt doc would catch them all pluss the glider gives him a huge speed advantage and Doc may not be able to keep up with al the angles they are coming from which is why my vote goes to double G!

And yes, we are talking about the bad man himself. Norman Osbourne.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, then I agree.

GG

[Johnny Blaze]

If it was Harry, be a different story. But Norman is smart enough, ruthless enough, and has the tools and talent to take Ock down.

[CanaryFan]

Octavious

[SuperFerret]

Norman.

[Silicon Surfer]

Gobby easily. There's nothing that Ock's arms can do to protect him. The instant he makes contact with a pumpkin bomb it will explode. There is no way that his arms can block the blast wave. In addition, some of Gobby's pumpkins are gas.

[Genesis 1.0]

In addition, Ock's body is just human. One bomb, fragment, shrapnel, or as Surfer said, good blast wave and he's injured to knocked out.

[Anubis]

Gg.

[Sparta*]

Definatley Doc Ock, you guys are underestimating him big time. I've seen times where he's taken on 4 other Spidey villains at once, one of them was Electro and he defeated them all with ease (im trying to find the tpb I saw it in) hell, I just read return of the sinister six, and in that book alone he utterly rocks Hobgoblin, had no problem dealing with pumpkin bombs, finger blasts and even Hobgoblins hellfire. I really don't think Green Goblin has the range advantage either, Doc Ocks tentacles could reach Goblin just as fast as pumpkin bombs could reach Ock, difference is Ock could deflect pumpkin bombs from a distance but once Norman is in his admantium grasps he is not getting out, not even the hellfire could burn through that, Hobgoblin tried. As far as the gas goes, Gobbie would never get close enough to Ock to even try that stunt

[Johnny Blaze]

One of the key things in all that is the adamantium tentacles. When he had those, he was a beast. Even took on the Professor Hulk and came out on top.

But he doesn't have those anymore. Hasn't for a while. Well, unless he got them back in the past two years of comics.

That's a major advantage for Ock as those things could stand up to the Goblin's arsenal (like they did against Hobby) without taking damage. His normal arms won't be so lucky. With the amount of stuff Osborn can throw at him, Ock wouldn't be able to defend himself for long.
And, with Ock being an out-of-shape middle-aged man, one good shot and it's game over.

[WolfCypher]

Incoclusive. A lightning bolt from the skies knocks them both out.

[Genesis 1.0]

One of the key things in all that is the adamantium tentacles. When he had those, he was a beast. Even took on the Professor Hulk and came out on top.

But he doesn't have those anymore. Hasn't for a while. Well, unless he got them back in the past two years of comics.

That's a major advantage for Ock as those things could stand up to the Goblin's arsenal (like they did against Hobby) without taking damage. His normal arms won't be so lucky. With the amount of stuff Osborn can throw at him, Ock wouldn't be able to defend himself for long.
And, with Ock being an out-of-shape middle-aged man, one good shot and it's game over.

^ This.

In addition, Norman > Hobgoblin

Ock's tentacles have never shown the range, speed, or deadly value of Norman's glider. Even when he's off it, the thing's damn lethal.

[Wilderbeast]

Norman Osbourne

[Silicon Surfer]

Any electrical attack whether from Electro or Gobby's finger blasts should not be blockable since both steel and adamantium are conductors. If a tentacle gets hit it is conducted straight back to Ock frying the circuitry that works the tentacles on the way.

[Genesis 1.0]

I assumed the same thing, but it seems like a plot hol no jutsu, so I won't question that portion of it. I can see him outsmarting Hobgoblin seeing the vast gulf in intelligence there. Electro's a total idiot but he's got enough power that he should have fried Ock and his hideous outfit.

[Ace of Knaves]

I'm going for Gobby too. He has a much more varied arsenal. Ock isn't immune to knock out gas or anything like that is he? So yea Gobby :up:

[Genesis 1.0]

Norman's also superhuman in most areas, he can take a shot or two from those tentacles on the way to punching Ock in the mush.

[bkhedr]

I gotta go with Dock Ock on this one. The way I figure it Spidey's strength never gets him very far against Octavious and his agility is the only thing that keeps him from getting squished.

Well Norman's got all the strength and none of the agility. A glider, a few pumpkin bombs, and some psychosis don't make up for it.

[Silicon Surfer]

Norman has superhuman speed and agility a bit less than Spiderman and way above Ock.

[Ace of Knaves]

Plus Gobby would have no qualms in killing Ock. Spidey must hold back to a degree so he doesn't actually kill him. Osborne doesn't have this problem.

[Majic Walrus]

Plus Gobby would have no qualms in killing Ock. Spidey must hold back to a degree so he doesn't actually kill him. Osborne doesn't have this problem.

Like Ock would have a problem killing Goblin?

I agree in essence but Ock's arms have been blown up, trashed, confused, and rendered useless before so I'm not sold on them just taking ____ amount of bombs and emerging A OK.

I can see your point, but if you remove the usage of one of his arms he still has three extra ones.

[Ace of Knaves]

No Ock wouldn't have a problem killing Gobby. But I just think with Gobby's more varied arsenal and enhanced strength, speed and agility, PLUS his murderous ways, he takes this.

[Genesis 1.0]

Like Ock would have a problem killing Goblin?



I can see your point, but if you remove the usage of one of his arms he still has three extra ones.

With all the bombs Norman carries around AND the amount of missles the glider carries, it's going to be ALOT more than 1 arm.

[[A]]

I love them both :O But I'll vote for Green Goblin.

[Majic Walrus]

With all the bombs Norman carries around AND the amount of missles the glider carries, it's going to be ALOT more than 1 arm.

You presume he'd get the chance to use another one.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Goblin wins 10-5

[The_Mighty_Thor]

DIAMONDBACK
(Racheal Lieghton)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/77470-174509-diamondback_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/174509-diamondback/105-77470/)

VS

BLACK CAT

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/3848/560125-black_cat_by_diablo2003_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/black_cat_by_diablo2003/105-560125/)

[Silicon Surfer]

The few times I ever saw Diamondback she wasn't very effective so Black Cat ftw.

[3dman27]

diamondback

[Genesis 1.0]

Close........

Black Cat

[Majic Walrus]

Hubba...

Black Cat.

[CanaryFan]

Diamondback

[Anubis]

diamondback

[[A]]

Black Cat.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

4-3 Black Cat so far

[bkhedr]

Diamondback

[bkhedr]

double post

[The_Mighty_Thor]

4-4 tie

[PemLam]

Black Cat

[Ace of Knaves]

They both die in an improbable nuclear explosion.

Good riddance is what i say.

[Hound55]

They both die in an improbable nuclear explosion.

Good riddance is what i say.
Damn... Black Cat's bad luck power must've had an unfortunate massive upgrade of Scarlet Witch proportions...

[Johnny Blaze]

Diamondback

[The_Mighty_Thor]

5-5

[Genesis 1.0]

Diamondback's just so mundane to me most of the time, at least Black Cat comes across with passion and a lively determination.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

yeah but this isn't a who do you like better thread. I'm gonna throw my vote to Diamond back cause of her awesomeness with throwing weapons gives her a advantage at long range.

That makes it 6-5 Diamondback.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

BLACK NIGHT

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35895/923455-black_knight_color_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/black_knight_color/105-923455/)

VS

DARE DEVIL

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/39326/801795-daredevil___cover_sample_by_rodgallery_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/daredevil___cover_sample_by_rodgallery/105-801795/)

[Johnny Blaze]

I'm going to go against what will probably be the majority of votes and go with the extremely underrated Dane Whitman.

[[A]]

Daredevil!

[Silicon Surfer]

Armor and a virtually invincible magic sword vs fists and a billy club. Damn, that's a hard one. Black Knight ftw.

[Anubis]

Black Knight

[bkhedr]

Dane

[3dman27]

hornhead

[Majic Walrus]

Where is the fight located?

[Ace of Knaves]

Black Knight

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Where is the fight located?

Where ever you like.

5-2 Dane so far.

[PemLam]

Daredevil

[Sparta*]

BK for me

[Johnny Blaze]

BK for me

Right on. If you're going, pick me up a double whopper with cheese and some onion rings. Oh, and a diet coke to wash it all down. I have to watch my figure. :o

[SuperFerret]

You're gonna want to go half Coke, half diet Coke.

[Johnny Blaze]

You're gonna want to go half Coke, half diet Coke.

That's right! I forgot that at BK you can have it your way. :woot:

[SurfDUI]

Black Knight...who isn't a villian...or and African American on the strength of that alone.

DD only wins in the civil suit w/ Murdock as atty. for B.K.

[Genesis 1.0]

Curb stomp from Hell.

Black Knight

[Harlekin]

Black Knight

[[A]]

..but the post said Black Night :o

[The_Mighty_Thor]

9-3 Dane

[Majic Walrus]

Where ever you like.

5-2 Dane so far.

Black Knight wins. If this were in Hell's Kitchen DD would own. Being blind also makes him better able to remember familiar surroundings. Anywhere else and BK wins.

[Silicon Surfer]

Dane is in armor. Daredevil doesn't have an attack that would even make Dane take him seriously. Dane simply cannot be hurt by DD.

[Genesis 1.0]

They'd write it so he would give him a tough fight.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Dane is in armor. Daredevil doesn't have an attack that would even make Dane take him seriously. Dane simply cannot be hurt by DD.

Unless he punches him in the mouth.

Seriously though armor protects him from blunt trama to a degree, not completely, but it wouldn't protect him from take downs, throws or joint locks and DD is a master of several fighting styles. Also armor slows you down and Daredevil is as quick and agile as they come. This wouldn't be a one sided fight either way.

[Silicon Surfer]

Dane can simply turn his head and take the blow on his helm. It would probably break DD's fist. Also Dane usually carries a shield although it isn't in the picture. Since the joints in armor only move so far, joint locks and the like are of diminished effectiveness. DD might be able to hold him incapacitated but could not disable him. The sword, however, takes care of that since DD would not be able to come within range and thus could not attack.

[Genesis 1.0]

...............

Because DD's never dodged anything being swung at him?

Your weapon's only as effective as the person wielding it and if it connects.

I voted Black Knight but let's be real here.

[Hound55]

Murdock... He's far more agile and his radar sense would pick up the unprotected spot on his jaw as it did against Gladiator.

[Genesis 1.0]

*Shudder*

Never mention that again.

[Hound55]

What? Gladiator?

And his spinning wrist shields of death..?

[Genesis 1.0]

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth.

[Hound55]

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/gladiator-mini-bust-or.jpg

[Genesis 1.0]

You really hate me that much.

[Hound55]

Just citing precedent... sure, he doesn't have as long a range weapon as the sword, but Gladiator's more protected than the Black Knight and I would imagine more mobile in it as well...

The sword's a pretty heavy weapon too, if Daredevil can draw a heavy swing and slip it he'll have an age to unload on the Black Knight.

I'll go with Daredevil... To me the Black Knight surely wouldn't be able to catch DD... too agile, too quick and has a fairly noticeable opening right on the chin in terms of his armour...

[Harlekin]

Gladiator's more protected? Black Knight's wearing a complete (but still lite) suit of magical armour.

[Hound55]

Gladiator's more protected? Black Knight's wearing a complete (but still lite) suit of magical armour.
Not overall.

The jaw. Which is where he focused on Gladiator.

The opening on the jaw of Black Knight is more prominent than that of Gladiator and he picked up that opening in Gladiator's helmet... which makes me think he would be more than capable of doing the same with Black Knight's.

[Silicon Surfer]

DD could never get close enough. Keeping opponents at bay is part of a knights basic training. They routinely fought unarmored and more maneuverable peasants several at a time. In the crusades he would have seen very heavy combat against highly trained warriors who were also unarmored and more agile. Dane has most likely faced more opponents in a single battle in the Crusades than DD has faced in his entire superhero career. It is simply the nature of war. Since Dane survived this sort of battle he must have learned to defend himself.

[Hound55]

DD could never get close enough. Keeping opponents at bay is part of a knights basic training. They routinely fought unarmored and more maneuverable peasants several at a time. In the crusades he would have seen very heavy combat against highly trained warriors who were also unarmored and more agile. Dane has most likely faced more opponents in a single battle in the Crusades than DD has faced in his entire superhero career. It is simply the nature of war. Since Dane survived this sort of battle he must have learned to defend himself.
But in those situations the peasants and folk generally aren't afforded as much space to use their greater agility in as a mano a mano circumstance would yield...

Its also a scenario which favours Daredevil in general.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Dane can simply turn his head and take the blow on his helm. It would probably break DD's fist.

And DD could simply pull that bucket off of his head.

Since the joints in armor only move so far, joint locks and the like are of diminished effectiveness. DD might be able to hold him incapacitated but could not disable him.

His armor has always come of as chain mail to me so it wouldn't prevent DD from doing joint locks on him at all.

The sword, however, takes care of that since DD would not be able to come within range and thus could not attack.

So now a guy who hears tendons tightening and knows exactly when his opponant is going to make his move, a guy who has used this to dodge every type of weapon in the past including gun shots, that guy can't avoid a few sword swings?

[Ace of Knaves]

Well Black Knight isn't you standard, run of the mill, sword swinger.

[Genesis 1.0]

Regardless, DD is very capable of dodging nearly any strike.