The Marvel Heroes Battle Thread

[Johnny Blaze]

Not overall.

The jaw. Which is where he focused on Gladiator.

The opening on the jaw of Black Knight is more prominent than that of Gladiator and he picked up that opening in Gladiator's helmet... which makes me think he would be more than capable of doing the same with Black Knight's.

I don't see a shot from Daredevil flooring Dane. Even if it's a square blow to the jaw. He's taken shots from some major, team-busting villains and gotten right back up. Dane's better equipped, and is a highly skilled melee combatant. Sure, Daredevil would give him some fits due to his agility, but it wouldn't be enough to keep Dane from getting the 'W'.

And you can't compare the Black Knight to the Gladiator. Dane's a much better fighter, and defender, than Gladiator is.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah but he doesn't shine like Gladiator.

Look at all that shine, all that bling on his wrists, it's why all his dates are blind dates.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Black Knight Takes it 10-5

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Crossbones

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/494217-cb2_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/cb2/105-494217/)

VS

BUSHMAN

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/176111-69610-bushman_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/69610-bushman/105-176111/)

[Genesis 1.0]

Two underused underrated guys.

Crossbones

[Anubis]

Seriously, a Lefield pick? Find a new one!

[Anubis]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel%20II/Crossbones_Head.jpg

[Johnny Blaze]

Seriously, a Lefield pick? Find a new one!

Not a fan of overly-muscled people with tiny heads? :o

[Majic Walrus]

Crossbones

[Hound55]

Very much depends on the terrain.

You put this in a jungle or put them out in the open and Bushman's guerrilla tactics more than close the gap, to the extent that I'd say he'd likely get the drop on Crossbones and win.

But you put this in an arena and I'd think the guy who's frequently gone toe-to-toe with Captain America would get the win.

Since I've been voting based on arena for these if I'm not told anything different I guess that means I'll go with Crossbones...

Which pisses me off because I love all things Moon Knight...

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea it does depend on if Crossbones is actually hunting Bushman. Because if that's the case, I vote Bushman. He's called BUSHman for a reason.(and no it isn't because he enjoys muff diving) :awesome:

But in a stand up fight Crossbones.

[Nathan]

Bushman? What kind of lame villain name is that?

[Ace of Knaves]

He's a spec ops guerilla. You know like those trackers. He's always out in the "bush" geddit? :D

[Hound55]

Bushman? What kind of lame villain name is that?
Arch-nemesis of Captain Cracker: Honkey Avenger...

[Nathan]

He's a spec ops guerilla. You know like those trackers. He's always out in the "bush" geddit? :D

Or it could be, "That his bush is the biggest."

[Ace of Knaves]

:funny:

[CanaryFan]

Bushman

[[A]]

Bushman.

[bkhedr]

Crossbones

[The_Mighty_Thor]

5-2 Crossbones so far!

[Majic Walrus]

Very much depends on the terrain.

You put this in a jungle or put them out in the open and Bushman's guerrilla tactics more than close the gap, to the extent that I'd say he'd likely get the drop on Crossbones and win.

But you put this in an arena and I'd think the guy who's frequently gone toe-to-toe with Captain America would get the win.

Since I've been voting based on arena for these if I'm not told anything different I guess that means I'll go with Crossbones...

Which pisses me off because I love all things Moon Knight...

:up: ^This

[Genesis 1.0]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/494217-cb2_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/cb2/105-494217/)> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel%20II/Crossbones_Head.jpg

Leifield owns

[WolfCypher]

Great matchup! One's truly ruthless, the other just plain psychotic. Very close. I'll say Crossbones. Experience fighting against Captain America > Experience fighting against Moon Knight.

[PemLam]

Crossbones

[Anubis]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/5586/494217-cb2_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/cb2/105-494217/)> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v485/AnubisGOD/Marvel%20II/Crossbones_Head.jpg

Leifield owns


Well, your opinion is officially s**t.

[Sparta*]

Crossbones

[Genesis 1.0]

Anubis, it's officially different.

In any case, all I need to do is bash Hal, Sentry, Rulk, and Gambit and you'll be fine.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I don't know, Bushman is more of a sneaky tactician I think and Crossbones would win head to head. Not sure what would have to happen to make a fight like this go down but I doubt it would start off head to head. I'll vote Bushman.

Crossbones wins 8-3

[The_Mighty_Thor]

LOKI

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/244/76749-60062-loki_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/60062-loki/105-76749/)

VS

DR. DOOM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/378/125745-119006-doctor-doom_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/119006-doctor-doom/105-125745/)

[PemLam]

I love Doom, but Loki is just as devious and intelligent and more powerful, both physically and magically. Unfortunately, without prep time, I can't see Doom taking this.

Loki

[CanaryFan]

Loki

[Majic Walrus]

Loki

[[A]]

Dr Doom.

[Johnny Blaze]

Loki

[Sparta*]

prep-time??

[The_Mighty_Thor]

For who? I don't think either of these guys starts a fight with out being prepared and I'm not sure who prep time would help more but sure give them each a days prep time.

[Sparta*]

dr.doom benefits greatly from preptime, it would help Loki too but I think it would be moreso to Dooms advantage

[Hound55]

Loki would be more likely to spend prep-time coming up with an elaborate cerebral plan to undermine, whereas Doom would be more likely to spend it coming up with a device to weaken his opponent and/or take advantage of his opponents weaknesses and designing a method to implement said device...

[Silicon Surfer]

Loki, with or without prep time.

[Genesis 1.0]

Loki delivers an ungodly beating.

[Sparta*]

With prep-time I think ill go with the guy who took out the Beyonder

Doom FTW

[Sparta*]

-edit- double post

[[A]]

So it took you 4 posts to say what you could've said with just 1 :oldrazz:

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Watch it boy, THIS IS SPARTA!!!

[[A]]

haha yes :hehe: with an asterisk!

[Genesis 1.0]

He DID manage to screw the Beyonder in SW.

Good point Sparta.


D-O-O-M

[Silicon Surfer]

He did it with power and tech belonging to Galactus. He didn't come up with it on his own.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I'll be going with Loki myself. 6-3 Loki

[[A]]

Few votes.. What's going on..?

[Sparta*]

;17637071']So it took you 4 posts to say what you could've said with just 1 :oldrazz:

if it doesn't take 4 posts its not worth saying....:awesome:

Watch it boy, THIS IS SPARTA!!!

;17637185']haha yes :hehe: with an asterisk!

its all about the asterisk ;)

He DID manage to screw the Beyonder in SW.

Good point Sparta.


D-O-O-M

the way I look at it, with prep-time doesn't matter if your a god or the beyonder, Doom will find a way to take you out

[The_Mighty_Thor]

THE AMERICAN DREAM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/14592/292649-79994-american-dream_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/79994-american-dream/105-292649/)

VS

THE RED SKULL
(John Maxon)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/20224/899353-ultavg001_cov_villain_02_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/ultavg001_cov_villain_02/105-899353/)

[Chunin]

Red Skull

[Anubis]

F**k face.

[Genesis 1.0]

HEY! The Dream doesn't deserve that abuse.

[Johnny Blaze]

I thought the American Dream was two chicks at the same time? :huh:

[Anubis]

Maybe back in the 50's. It's three chicks and a tranny these days.

[Johnny Blaze]

No midgets? :csad:

[Anubis]

Midgets go without saying. :o

[Johnny Blaze]

Okay, you had me worried there for a second. :awesome:

[3dman27]

;17649182']Few votes.. What's going on..?

lack of interest i'd say

[CanaryFan]

This is only Maxon, Dream takes him out!

[[A]]

American Dream.

[PemLam]

Dream

[3dman27]

american dream

[Sparta*]

A/d

[Anubis]

Wait a minute, who the f**k is John Maxon?

[The_Mighty_Thor]

He was the original Red Skull in the comics but later it turned out that he was only an agent of Johann Schmidt, the true Red Skull. Maxon is a skilled sabotuer, hand to hand combatant, and marksman but he doesn't have a cloned super soldier body.

[Majic Walrus]

American Dream

[Anubis]

He was the original Red Skull in the comics but later it turned out that he was only an agent of Johann Schmidt, the true Red Skull. Maxon is a skilled sabotuer, hand to hand combatant, and marksman but he doesn't have a cloned super soldier body.


I voted under the impression that that was Ultimate Red Skull, you know, super strength, speed, and stamina and fifty years of neo nazi terrorism under his belt.

American Dream

[Genesis 1.0]

So it's NOT Ultimate Skull?

American Dream

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I'll go with Dream as well in a tuff battle, after all he did give Captain America some trouble.

The American Dream turns out to be the Red Skulls worst nightmare in this 9-1 beatdown!

[The_Mighty_Thor]

CAPTAIN AMERICA AND THE FALCON

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26454/839151-cap_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/cap/105-839151/)http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11352/457860-falcon550_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/falcon550/105-457860/)

VS

GAMBIT AND ANGEL

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/742782-xorgambit001_cov_col_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/xorgambit001_cov_col/105-742782/)http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31499/648323-angel_01_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/angel_01/105-648323/)

[Anubis]

Cap and Falcon. They've worked together far longer and on a more consistent basis. I'm not sure Gambit and Angel were ever on the same team at the same time....of course I could be wrong. I don't really like the X-Men.

[CanaryFan]

Cap and Falcon

[Genesis 1.0]

Gambit & Angel.

1.) I like Gambit as much as I like Cap, if not a bit more.

2.) Anubis hates Gambit and mutants.

[Anubis]

I didn't say I hate them, I just wish for them not to be alive.

[Silicon Surfer]

Gambit and Angel easily.

[Anubis]

Bulls**t.

[Piz]

I would say Cap & Falcon would win

[Hound55]

What do you guys think would be the effect of Gambit charging a Vibranium shield, out of interest?

[3dman27]

captain america and the falcon

[PemLam]

Cap and Falcon

[[A]]

Captain America and The Falcon http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/7753/thumbup7469707.gif (http://img109.imageshack.us/i/thumbup7469707.gif/)

[Silicon Surfer]

What do you guys think would be the effect of Gambit charging a Vibranium shield, out of interest?

It should explode with all the force it has ever absorbed. Which in the case of Cap's shield would probably wipe out the eastern half of the continent.

[Majic Walrus]

Cap and Falcon. They've worked together far longer and on a more consistent basis. I'm not sure Gambit and Angel were ever on the same team at the same time....of course I could be wrong. I don't really like the X-Men.

^This

I really like Gambit and Angel and I think that they'd make a powerful and awesome team... but they have no experience working with each other and neither of them are as smart or tough as the Cap or Falcon.

Gambit & Angel.

1.) I like Gambit as much as I like Cap, if not a bit more.

2.) Anubis hates Gambit and mutants.

Oh I thought this was the BATTLE thread not the popularity contest thread!

/gen

[katie_girl09]

Gambit is plenty smart, alright?!
*Fades back into the shadows*

[Ace of Knaves]

I gotta go with the theory that team work and team chemistry wins through. Remy and Angel have none of either of those things so...

Cap and Falcon.

[Genesis 1.0]

^This

I really like Gambit and Angel and I think that they'd make a powerful and awesome team... but they have no experience working with each other and neither of them are as smart or tough as the Cap or Falcon.



Oh I thought this was the BATTLE thread not the popularity contest thread!

/gen

Ah, back to the learning tree.

That post was specifically designed to draw a response from Anubis on his hate of Gambit, which it did.

If I waned to highlight my vote, I'd have said Gambit takes a shot from Cap's shield intentionally and charges it with contact, eliminating the shield and everyone for miles. I'd also point out that Warren can shift from Angel to Archangel at will currently.

/explainage:o

[Silicon Surfer]

The X-Men have the best teamwork in the MU. They are all trained intensively in the fighting tactics of all X-Men current and past as well as villains. Either one of them could solo Cap and Falcon.

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea but Gambit and Angel have never thought alongside each other. I'd imagine Gambit being a bit cock sure and doing something unpredictable and stupid that hampers himself and his team mate just as much as Cap and Falcon.

[Anubis]

The X-Men have the best teamwork in the MU. They are all trained intensively in the fighting tactics of all X-Men current and past as well as villains. Either one of them could solo Cap and Falcon.


That's also a buncha bulls**t.

[Genesis 1.0]

The X-Men have some of the best teamwork in he MU, not THE best but I agree with the rest of his point to an extent. Jubilee, Beast, or some of the other lower tier X-Me wouldn't stand a chance against Cap.

Cyclops, Woverine, Gambit, Havok, ect. would do well 1 on 1.

[Blacklight]

Cap/Falcon

[CanaryFan]

Gambit catching Cap's shield? That would be a true hail Mary play! More Likely he'd get KTFO!

[Genesis 1.0]

Doesn't need to catch it, he needs to simply be hit within arm's reach. Gambit's agility matches Cap's if not slightly better. He can manuever himself into that position and all he needs is a touch.

[Ace of Knaves]

He can't charge things instantly though can he? I thought he had to be in contact with it for a certain amount of time to charge it? Depending on how dense the object is?

[Silicon Surfer]

The X-Men have some of the best teamwork in he MU, not THE best but I agree with the rest of his point to an extent. Jubilee, Beast, or some of the other lower tier X-Me wouldn't stand a chance against Cap.

Cyclops, Woverine, Gambit, Havok, ect. would do well 1 on 1.

Beast is far superior to Cap. In an issue of Avengers, I believe although I can't recall the details, Beast casually slaps Cap across a room in Avengers mansion. Cap was trying to stop Beast from doing something and was prepared. Beast slapped him into unconsciousness without even really paying much attention to him. Beast has also k.o.ed Wolverine without even taking the fight seriously. Beast is an intensively trained martial artist in addition to being superhumanly strong and several times as fast as a human.

[Wilderbeast]

Angel and Remy

[Hound55]

My thought is that Gambit charges the shield (not knowing what the result would be), blows the **** out of everyone as Angel changes into Archangel attempting to shield himself from the blast with his metal wings, gets blown clear and barely survives... which makes him the last man standing and Gambit/Angel winners by default.

[WolfCypher]

Cap and Falc.

[Genesis 1.0]

Beast is far superior to Cap. In an issue of Avengers, I believe although I can't recall the details, Beast casually slaps Cap across a room in Avengers mansion. Cap was trying to stop Beast from doing something and was prepared. Beast slapped him into unconsciousness without even really paying much attention to him. Beast has also k.o.ed Wolverine without even taking the fight seriously. Beast is an intensively trained martial artist in addition to being superhumanly strong and several times as fast as a human.

Dunno, when thinking of a short list of street level guys that can beat Cap, Hank just doesn't leap to mind considering the much stronger opponents he's beaten.

Ah well, you learn something new everyday.:o

[Majic Walrus]

Ah, back to the learning tree.

That post was specifically designed to draw a response from Anubis on his hate of Gambit, which it did.

If I waned to highlight my vote, I'd have said Gambit takes a shot from Cap's shield intentionally and charges it with contact, eliminating the shield and everyone for miles. I'd also point out that Warren can shift from Angel to Archangel at will currently.

/explainage:o

Yeah you do realize my post was just to draw a response from you. :awesome:

[Genesis 1.0]

Imitation is the highest form of flattery.

For the record, explainage cannot be drawn, only earned.

[Harlekin]

Captain America and the Falcon.

Angel hates Gambit's guts.

[Genesis 1.0]

So does Cyclops to Logan over a large portion of their interaction and they've beat some major ass together and I ain't talking about Jean.:o

[Anubis]

Cyke and Logan kinda like each other. They got a love/hate relationship going.

[Genesis 1.0]

And alot of those times, it's been pure hate over Jean or Logan's lone wolf mentality and yet they win together.

[Anubis]

Yeah, but that's them. Gambit and Angel on the otherhand are not them.

[Johnny Blaze]

Cap and Falcon

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah, but that's them. Gambit and Angel on the otherhand are not them.

:wow:

You mean Remy doesn't have adamantium claws and Angel doesn't have optic blasts?

Really?

:o

[WolfCypher]

Cap and Falcon

Am I really the only one not seeing Captain Falcon?

[Johnny Blaze]

No. I'm not seeing it either. :awesome:

[Anubis]

:wow:

You mean Remy doesn't have adamantium claws and Angel doesn't have optic blasts?

Really?

:o


I know. I was just as shocked as you are. You know, all those mutie's look alike.

[Genesis 1.0]

Just like all those Asgardians.

[Harlekin]

Angel and Gambit's problems go a little deeper than one wanting the other's girl. They might work reasonably well together in a real team, but I don't see them being very good as a duo.

[Genesis 1.0]

This isn't like fighting alongside the Hulk where your ally might attempt to murder you, Warren is smart enough and has shown himself quite capable of swallowing his pride and his personal bias in order to survive and Remy is always willing to save his own skin at any cost.

Not only will they work, as they have on those X-Men squads, they'll work well and when it's over, they'll pick up right where they left off.

As to Cyke and Logan, way before Jean, love, which I might add makes men as bitter and dangerous as nearly anything else, butted heads because Logan doesn't like taking orders and Scott hates disorder. There was boderline hatred there when Scott felt Logan was endangering the entire team and mutant cause, which he lives for, for his own selfish reasons.

It's been alot more than a quibble.

[Anubis]

And yet, after all these years, and Jean being "dead" they've managed to stay civil. Plus, Wolverine not liking to take orders is soooo been there done that. I mean, the guys on 60 different teams. He's like the homophobe who realized he loves getting Prostate exams.

[Genesis 1.0]

And it's simmered down becaue Logan and Cyke have changed, and as you said, Jean's no longer in he picture. But the still butt heads as we saw in X-Force with the two very different methods.

[Anubis]

What could they possibly disagree about? Wolvie leads a team of killers and they kill people. Cyke told them to kill people, sounds like taking ordersto me.

[Harlekin]

Yeah, at least Angel actually left the X-Men when he got sick of Wolvie (and beat him down later too).

Either way you put it, Angel and Gambit won't be working together on any level similar to Cap and Falc.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Captain America and Falcon win 12-4

[The_Mighty_Thor]

NEXT MATCH BY REQUEST

VENOM
(Mac GARGAN)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/4/40644/963341-venom_by_graphic_muscle_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/venom_by_graphic_muscle/105-963341/)

VS

CARNAGE

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/229/85451-156005-carnage_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/156005-carnage/105-85451/)

[[A]]

Carnage.

[Silicon Surfer]

I think that the fight already happened and Carnage won. Carnage again.

[[A]]

Anything over Venom.

[Piz]

I'm gonna go with Carnage

[CanaryFan]

The question here is who cares? Hopefully they kill each other and never show up in another comic.

Venom I guess.

[Genesis 1.0]

Ah, two of my favorite Marvel characters, minus the Gargan portion. It'll be close, but one of these creatures is more ruthless AND versatile.

Carnage

[The_Mighty_Thor]

4-1 Carnage

[[A]]

Venom fanboys would care. They would weep for weeks if he died and never resurrected------

[Genesis 1.0]

Like the Jean Grey fanboys? Or Cap's?

[Majic Walrus]

I think that the fight already happened and Carnage won. Carnage again.

^This

Carnage

[Anubis]

I don't care.

[Ace of Knaves]

Carnage. Pretty easily to be fair. He's quicker, stronger, even more ruthless. And his symbiote can create all sorts of ****, even projectiles.

The only way I see Venom winning is if Carnage is distracted by some tasty looking women and children he just can't pass up.

[Hound55]

Carnage, comfortably.

[[A]]

Like the Jean Grey fanboys? Or Cap's?There are Jean Grey fanboys? Honest question :o

[Genesis 1.0]

OOoOO, if you only knew.

[WolfCypher]

I think that the fight already happened and Carnage won. Carnage again.

Carnage and the current Venom have never met.

;17670070']Anything over Venom.

You are the 1st person i know to prefer Carnage over Venom. Most people who hate Venom (the Venom haters) hate Carnage way more. Awkward...

Anyway, I'll say Carnage. Gargan-Venom has been written as a whiny psycho far more than as a badass Venom. Carnage would win.

[Hound55]

Carnage and the current Venom have never met.



You are the 1st person i know to prefer Carnage over Venom. Most people who hate Venom (the Venom haters) hate Carnage way more. Awkward...

Anyway, I'll say Carnage. Gargan-Venom has been written as a whiny psycho far more than as a badass Venom. Carnage would win.
Yup.

Brock Venom > Gargan Venom and I'd back Carnage over Brock Venom.

Which is what makes this Carnage comfortably.

It took Carnage getting completely and utterly mentally destroyed in Maximum Carnage for him to get beat down...

[WolfCypher]

Always trust in me about anything Symbiotes.

[PemLam]

Carnage

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Carnage wins 9-1

[The_Mighty_Thor]

KRAVEN THE HUNTER

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/77/108057-149182-kraven-the-hunter_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/149182-kraven-the-hunter/105-108057/)

VS

THE LIZARD

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/26948/525374-sensational_spider_man_200602_large.png (http://www.comicvine.com/sensational_spider_man_200602/105-525374/)

[Genesis 1.0]

Kraven's smarter and a better tactican, but he's weaker against a ruthless and vicious foe.

Lizard

[Silicon Surfer]

Lizzie

[[A]]

The Lizard-ssss-sss.

[Anubis]

Pfft, he caught that Giant Rat guy, and he beat Spider-Man, I think Kraven can take him.

[Hound55]

Dammit... must have lost the post earlier.

Enhanced Kraven via potion takes this pretty easily.

Kraven+potion > Lizard > regular Kraven

And regular Kraven vs Lizard is closer than Kraven enhanced by potion... (actually... I'm not entirely convinced regualr Kraven couldn't take the Lizard...)

Let's not forget... the guy took out Vermin...

Kraven's biggest issue is his ego might lead him to try and take out the Lizard "au naturale" and the Lizard, unlike Spidey, isn't going to give him any second chances...

[WolfCypher]

Once again, if Kraven could take down Vermin by himself, something that Spidey had to do with Captain America's help, Lizard will not prove too much a hassle.

Kraven.

[Silicon Surfer]

Vermin's strength is only at the 1,000 pound level. Lizard is at the 12 ton level. Vermin is not in the Lizard's class in any category.

[Genesis 1.0]

Lizard would eviscerate Kraven, any damage he manges to deal will be rapidly healing while he's mapping out his next move. Nevermind Connors is far faster than him.

[Johnny Blaze]

This is a close match up far as I'm concerned. But, I'm going to go with Kraven. I think he'd be able to take the Lizard out of the fight.

[CanaryFan]

If there was prep Time I could see kraven taking it but since that wasn't given Lizard has a light snack before bedtime!

[PemLam]

Lizard

[Majic Walrus]

Kraven is the MASTER Hunter for a reason and the Lizard is strong PREY. The Lizard is basically a big dumb lizard and as I recall Kraven has taken on big dumb animals that are far stronger than he is.

Kraven wins this.

[CanaryFan]

Kraven is the MASTER Hunter for a reason and the Lizard is strong PREY. The Lizard is basically a big dumb lizard and as I recall Kraven has taken on big dumb animals that are far stronger than he is.

Kraven wins this.

Actually lizards are predators (hunters) themselves so Kraven could just as easily be his prey. This isn't a hunting match though, it's a straight up fight!

[Genesis 1.0]

^ THIS.

And Spidey's worlds more intelligent than Kraven and the 'big dumb' Lizard's reptillian cunning has left him with a beatings even in a win that would have killed Kraven.

[greenrage36]

mmmm...I think this could go either way..I think I'll give a slight edge to the Hunter. For some reason I can just see him improvising some kind of trap or something that would KO Conners...

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Dammit... must have lost the post earlier.

Enhanced Kraven via potion takes this pretty easily.

Kraven+potion > Lizard > regular Kraven

And regular Kraven vs Lizard is closer than Kraven enhanced by potion... (actually... I'm not entirely convinced regualr Kraven couldn't take the Lizard...)

Let's not forget... the guy took out Vermin...

Kraven's biggest issue is his ego might lead him to try and take out the Lizard "au naturale" and the Lizard, unlike Spidey, isn't going to give him any second chances...

Ummm, so this is a vote for who????

I'm going with Lizard cause he's faster and stroger than Kraven and totaly vicious. Kraven has no prep time but he is a big game hunter by trade so he's always ready for a tough fight. He'd make this a real battle but he'd lose in the end.

6-5 Lizard.

[Sparta*]

I think Kraven could win this, it would be a very tough fight though

[3dman27]

Kraven

[Genesis 1.0]

It's ironic.

Kraven would end up hanging on someone else's wall.

[Wilderbeast]

Lizard

[Hound55]

Ummm, so this is a vote for who????

Kraven, on the assumption that he has access to his potion...

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Kraven pulls a win out of his ass. 8-7

[The_Mighty_Thor]

FIN FANG FOOM

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/2542/196637-14476-fin-fang-foom_large.JPG (http://www.comicvine.com/14476-fin-fang-foom/105-196637/)

VS

THOR

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35895/1012796-thor_throne_color_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/thor_throne_color/105-1012796/)

[Johnny Blaze]

Thor pulls out the "W" against the over-sized, alien iguana.

[greenrage36]

Thor has battled more than his share of big ol' monster/dragon type creatures and came out the victor..I don't see much of a difference in this encounter.

Thor ftw

[[A]]

Thor.

[Genesis 1.0]

FFF is vastly skilled in other areas aside from brute strength and he can take some of the punishment Thor can deal. Thor has been overwhelmed before, beaten before he can properly understand his opponent, it's the best route to surprise him and take advantage of that lofty Asgardian pride.

Question is can he end this before Thor can ground himself and figure things out?

Dunno right now.

[Silicon Surfer]

Fff

[Harlekin]

Thor

[Genesis 1.0]

I'll roll the dice.

Fing Fang BOOM baby

[WolfCypher]

I'll roll the die, too.

Hey! Thor gets a +7!

Thor.

[Ace of Knaves]

I think Thor is durable enough to take the punishment dished out long enough to figure out a plan of action or weakness in Fing Fang.

Thor.

[[A]]

Thor would recite a lot of shakespearean poems and bore FFF to death.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hell, Foom better be glad this isn't the younger, more brash Thor that simply beats anything to death.

[Majic Walrus]

This is a good battle. I'd like to say Thor wins, but realistically Foom's quickness and martial arts skills are enough to defeat Thor before Thor gets a chance to get in a good hit.

[Silicon Surfer]

FFF could also use his telepathy to read his mind and anticipate his actions like Mr. X or use his telepathy to transfer himself into Thor's body and evict Thor's consciousness.

[greenrage36]

FFF could also use his telepathy to read his mind and anticipate his actions like Mr. X or use his telepathy to transfer himself into Thor's body and evict Thor's consciousness.

ahhhh...good one...I didn't think about that! Triple-F has got some tricks up his sleeves that I forgot about... (not that I'm gonna change my vote or anything!) :oldrazz:

[Anubis]

Pfft, get the f**k outta here. Thor beats his big green ass.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I'll go with Thor as well.

9-3 in favor of the thunder god!

[The_Mighty_Thor]

CRAWLER

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/462/305551-134674-crawler_large.png (http://www.comicvine.com/134674-crawler/105-305551/)

VS

SPIDER-MAN

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35895/890531-spider_manlim_color_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/spider_manlim_color/105-890531/)

[Silicon Surfer]

Spidey

[PemLam]

Spider-Man

[CanaryFan]

Crawler

[Majic Walrus]

This is regular Nightcrawler right?

'Crawler wins. Better fighter in the long run and the ability to teleport trumps anything Spidey has.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

No it's Crawler. If it were Nightcrawler I would have said Nightcrawler.

[[A]]

Peter Whiner.. Spider-Man

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, so who the f____ is Crawler?

[Johnny Blaze]

A character from Morrison's X-Men run, combining the powers of Cyclops with Nightcrawler. I think he had the power(s) of one more mutant, but I can't remember off hand. And I don't feel like looking for the issues at the moment, so...yeah. :o :csad:


And I'm voting for Petey-O.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hmmm, if it were simply Nightcrawler I'd say he put up a good fight but with Cyke's powers as well?

Crawler

[3dman27]

your freindly neghborhod SPIDER-MAN

[Ace of Knaves]

So he has the powers of Cyclops and Nightcrawler? Err...how are you guys voting for Spidey then? Against a 'porter with optic blasts he has no chance.

[Johnny Blaze]

So he has the powers of Cyclops and Nightcrawler? Err...how are you guys voting for Spidey then? Against a 'porter with optic blasts he has no chance.
The Crawlers were pretty much mindless soldiers under Beast's command. Even an older Beak was taking them down IIRC.
And Spider-Man has shown countless times before that he's more than capable of taking on and beating opponents who, by a show of power(s), out class him.

With his experience, Spider-Sense, agility and strength advantage, and the ability to out think this opponent, I don't see the a Crawler being able to take Pete down.

[Ace of Knaves]

Ah so they are basically just like robots?

Well then Spidey wins with his smarts and his ability to adapt to situations, which a mindless soldier can't do.

[Genesis 1.0]

Yeah if it was Nightcrawler with Cyke's powers with intelligence, I'd go Crawler 100% but a mindless drone?

Spider-Man

[Johnny Blaze]

They weren't really mindless, but they weren't that savvy either. They were genetic creations by the Beast using DNA from Kurt and Scott, and also the powers of Multiple Man.
That was the other mutant I couldn't remember earlier. :o

I'm still not changing my vote, though I can see the Crawler pulling it off as well if it's allowed to create a legion faster then Spidey can put them down.

[greenrage36]

I dunno...multi-mutant abilities or not, Crawler still sounds like a stooge to me ...and Spidey eats those for breakfast..

Spiderman

[Anubis]

Spidey.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Crawler is an alternate reality character from the future after Magneto practically destroys the world. Beast makes an army of crawlers with Nightcrawlers speed, agility, prehensile tail and teleportation, Cyclops's optic blast, Angels wings, Multiple mans replication and the limited telepathic ability to control weak minds around him.

Spidey is still faster, more agile, stronger and smarter and the spidey sense borders on precognitive ability.

[Johnny Blaze]

Crawler is an alternate reality character from the future after Magneto practically destroys the world. Beast makes an army of crawlers with Nightcrawlers speed, agility, prehensile tail and teleportation, Cyclops's optic blast, Angels wings, Multiple mans replication and the limited telepathic ability to control weak minds around him.

Spidey is still faster, more agile, stronger and smarter and the spidey sense borders on precognitive ability.

That's right, I forgot they were flying when during the base attack when they stole the Phoenix Egg.
All this talk about it has me wanting to read Here Comes Tomorrow again. :o

[Genesis 1.0]

Intelligence is the key here for me and Petey takes it.

[Hound55]

Bear in mind the only knowledge of the Crawlers comes from this topic but I'll go with that one for the win for one of two reasons...

Either the Crawler jams Spidey's precognition and teleports in thundering combinations

or

Crawler becomes his own one man army and they all overwhelm Spidey with said teleporting combinations.

Unless... two Crawlers try to teleport to the same location and it disrupts him enough for Spidey to get the drop on him... on the assumption that they can't occupy the same space (which as I'm writing it seems a little daft, since they would occupy the same space at least temporarily when replicating - but I could see a writer saying something like that).

I'll go Crawler.

[Genesis 1.0]

I don't know, Spidey has a long history of dropping guys that are better than him.

[Hound55]

I don't know, Spidey has a long history of dropping guys that are better than him.
But does he have a right to..?

In a situation where he's not getting nerfed by writers who have to find a way to get him to win, would he likely get the win over a guy who's an amalgam of a teleporter who should keep him busy enough and completely dependant on his Spidey sense, psi abilities which should be able to jam that Spidey-sense, replication abilities just in cae those two aren't enough and then we'll just throw in Cyke's optical blasts for overkill.

Even with writers trying to get him the win, they'd have their work cut out for them and probably have to rely on something kind of implausible like I suggested above to steal a win.

[Genesis 1.0]

Hey, I agree with you completely, which I was I voted for Crawler until I was told they were basically mindless. So then Crawler, like Rhino, Electro, Lizard and alot of other guys, fail because of a lack of intelligence.

Give any one of them real intelligence and they crush Spidey. Without?

Pffft.

[Majic Walrus]

Crawler is an alternate reality character from the future after Magneto practically destroys the world. Beast makes an army of crawlers with Nightcrawlers speed, agility, prehensile tail and teleportation, Cyclops's optic blast, Angels wings, Multiple mans replication and the limited telepathic ability to control weak minds around him.

Spidey is still faster, more agile, stronger and smarter and the spidey sense borders on precognitive ability.

Holy ****. It's like the ending of Wolverine.

I want to keep my vote for Crawler and talk about how bat**** insane it is for anyone to think that Spidey could take Nightcrawler, much less Nightcrawler with the powers of Angel, Cyclops, Multiple Man and some telepathy!

10 out of 10 times Crawler wins.

[Silicon Surfer]

Spider Man's Spider Sense is precognitive. This means that teleportation isn't a factor since Spidey will know where Crawler will appear before he does it and sometimes before Crawler even decides on the location. Optic blasts are of minimal importance also because of the Spidey Sense. Crawler will miss just like Cyke does. Spidey has faced high powered psis so a minor one will be an annoyance if it has any effect at all. Crawler is far slower so any attacks will be in effect in slo-mo. Multiple Man's replication is the only really relevant power and that can be remedied by slamming the replicants back together and webbing up what's left.

[3dman27]

I don't know, Spidey has a long history of dropping guys that are better than him.

thats what spidey does best,at least it;s SUPPOSED to be hat he does best

[Majic Walrus]

I dare say that precognative or not four of cyclops' optic blasts coming from four different directions every second coupled with the random people that Crawler can telepathically move into the battle... Precog or not there's little hope.

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Funny, I never pictured Spidey standing in the street where telepathically controlled regular people could become a factor. I guess you think Spidey's a moron.

[Anubis]

He is.

[[A]]

So he likes Twilight? Wait, I read mormon :doh:

[Sparta*]

Spidey I guess??

[GlasgowBat]

well, seeing as the spidey-sense is irritatingly unrelaible and inconsistent, i'd say that it's not as large an advantage in practice.

crawler has too much power.

crawler

[Genesis 1.0]

Spidey's sense IS faulty and it's failed him in very mundane ways before during battle. Hell, Doc Ock, Sandman, Rhino, Goblin, and even Kraven have nailed him before and Spidey Sense be dammed.

Crawler

[The_Mighty_Thor]

Damn man, make up your mind!

[Genesis 1.0]

Heh, unlike some people I can listen to a plausible argument and be open enough to change my mind.

Open > Rigid

[Hound55]

Spidey's sense IS faulty and it's failed him in very mundane ways before during battle. Hell, Doc Ock, Sandman, Rhino, Goblin, and even Kraven have nailed him before and Spidey Sense be dammed.

Crawler
...and Mysterio.

His Spidey sense has been jammed quite a few times... its often how they try to write things interesting.

What stuns me is that folk will come out and back Aquaman to beat Spidey with his psi to jam his Spidey sense but won't extend the same thought process here... to me I think its clearer here.)

[Genesis 1.0]

It's simle, Aquaman has more fans, more importantly, more vocal followers with more product to draw from.

Is it right? No.

[Anubis]

Aquaman does NOT have more fans than Spider-Man. LOL

[Johnny Blaze]

I think he was meaning Aquaman's got more fans than the Crawler, but I could be wrong.

[Anubis]

What it ultimately comes down to is that Spidey's a good guy and Crawler is a bad guy, and a mindless minion of a bad guy to boot. Even a dumbass like Parker could take him. Hence the reason why Evil future Beast had to send hundreds of these douches to steal the egg instead of just the one. He's cannon fodder, and that's the bottom line.

[Johnny Blaze]

I agree. One good shot from Spidey, and it's game over man. If Beak's gran kid can take a Crawler out without much problem, I don't see how Spider-Man can stumble.

[Genesis 1.0]

I think he was meaning Aquaman's got more fans than the Crawler, but I could be wrong.

Yes I was but you know with Anubis you have to give it 24 - 48 hours to sink in.

Hey Nubs, don't hurt yourself jumping to all these conclusions.:o

[Anubis]

Exactly. He might as well be fighting a Hydra agent or a Hand ninja.

[Johnny Blaze]

Exactly. He might as well be fighting a Hydra agent or a Hand ninja.

Pretty much. A Hydra agent with powers.

[Hound55]

Well, it seems my lack of first hand experience in actually reading any material that features a crawler is causing me to jump to very different conclusions than those of you who have.

But I will say that on paper a character with those strengths should own Spidey... I have no empirical evidence to back that up with though...

[The_Mighty_Thor]

I'll go with Spidey. He's taken down the sinister 6 and other groups of multiple attackers with projectile weaponary. Crawler doesn't have the smarts to get the job done where better have failed.

10-5 Spider-Man

[The_Mighty_Thor]

HULK
(with Banners brain)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/25807/596816-professor5_large.gif (http://www.comicvine.com/professor5/105-596816/)

VS

THE BRUTE

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/31566/669827-the_brute_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/the_brute/105-669827/)

[Sparta*]

any info on the brute?

[Anubis]

He's Reed Richards with power on par with the Hulk while keeping his smarts.

Brute wins by the way.

[Sparta*]

thats Reed?!! seems like an interesting story, when did it happen?

[The_Mighty_Thor]

He wasn't exactly Reed, he was an alternate reality/demesion Reed Richards and he was a regular member of the Frightful Four back in the 70's. He's been used here and there since.

[Silicon Surfer]

He was the Reed Richards of the High Evolutionary's Counter Earth. He also had superhuman senses good enough to easily spot Sue even when she was invisible. He could change to and from the Brute form at will. Brute ftw.

[Majic Walrus]

Reed Richards brains and Hulk's brawn?

Brute wins.

[greenrage36]

Hmmm..is is the good professor he's fighting? Or another incarnation?

I would give this match more often than not to the Brute, under savage/dumb Hulk match ups...mainly because of the Reed brainpower....pretty hard to trump that!

If it's the professor he's fighting, I think they would be more evenly matched - at least, just evenly matched enough for the Professor to just barely win..and certainly not every time!

*woops...didn't see the "with banner's brain part - my bad!*

[WolfCypher]

The Professor.

[Genesis 1.0]

The only thing that keeps Reed Richards from owning 90% of the MU is a ack of brute force and his character.

Brute solves both of those problems, not as much power as I'd like for the former and completely for the latter.

Brute

[CanaryFan]

This could go either way. Brain power only counts for so much in a straight up fight with no prep time. It's not like either guy is going to call time out and invent a super weapon. I'll give my vote to Hulk cause he usually gets showered with hate in these matches.

[Genesis 1.0]

Being able to out think your opponent during a battle is just as vital as preparing a plan ahead of time.

[CanaryFan]

yes but like I said Intelligence only goes so far in a straight up fight. Neither of these guys are military strategists or world class martial artist and both are smart enough to come up with just about any plan that would apply to two big bruisers bashing it out. Reed may be smarter over all but that extra brain power doesn't really apply to this fight.

[PemLam]

Brute

[The_Mighty_Thor]

5-3 Brute so far!

[GlasgowBat]

reed richards is a technological and theoretical super-genius......but he's hardly a combat stategist, except in poorly wriiten stories which i shall ignore, as any sane person should. i'd say hulk will take this, being the hulk.

unless......is brute's strength at a flat-level? or does it grow in correlation with anger, as it does with the hulk?....as a matter of fact, does banner-brain keep the whole "the angrier i get the stronger i become" stuff?

[Silicon Surfer]

With Banner's mind in control he lost the strength increase.

[[A]]

Brute.

[Genesis 1.0]

Banner's intelligence overrides his insane emotions and cancels out the strength incline.

[Anubis]

Which is why I voted for Brute.