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SatEL
03-12-2009, 04:21 PM
What do you guys think of the eventual introduction of both characters in later sequels to the Franchise. I personally think it would be awesome. Of course I am talking about the original Ion who was all powerful and could turn and alien force away with a mere thought.

That-Guy
03-12-2009, 04:41 PM
I think the Ion saga might be a little bit too complicated but if they could make it work, it'd be pretty awesome.

As for Parallax, that would be even tougher to pull off because it would definitely require multiple films and you'd be putting your money on a lot of good faith that audiences wouldn't be turned off by the hero becoming the villain. Of course, Hal would be eventually be redeemed (a film version of Rebirth would be incredible) but by that point, people might not be interested anymore (mainstream audiences, I mean).

Steelsheen
03-12-2009, 07:21 PM
hmm, i dont think its too complicated for either. they may need to simplify things though, since there's quite a bit of backstory and we only have a 3 hr max running time.

bunk
03-12-2009, 07:29 PM
I don't think it's about how complicated as much it ends up being about well the audience knows the characters. Think about how long Jordan was around before Parallax, or Rayner with Ion. It would be pretty sweet if they made a couple Jordan movies than Rayner movies and then hit us with a Parallax story.

Nirvana
03-12-2009, 08:20 PM
I see no need for a Parallax story. I think it would just complicate things.

Colossal Spoons
03-12-2009, 11:05 PM
No to Parallax, yes to Ion. They don't even have to go too deep into the Ion Saga, just introduce him as a GL powered up by the friendly space-whale :up:

The Major
03-12-2009, 11:15 PM
Parallax could work with a trilogy. They'd need to do serious set-up to make the audience understand how it fits in the GL mythos by slowly making it bigger and bigger in each installment.

A simpler way would be starting with Kyle where he discovers Parallax origin while fighting a corrupted Hal after he destroyed the GLC, but the former would be a better execution since it allows the public to care about the GLC, Oa and Hal before they get introduced.

Man of Tomorrow
03-13-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm still betting it will go:

Origin

Parallax

Rebirth

For a trilogy...


Hal gets the gray temples at the end of the first film (in the script), hinting at his fall to darkness being apparent.

Parallax is likely how they'd introduce Kyle too.

Drakon
03-13-2009, 11:59 AM
Parallax is best for a second film.

SuperFerret
03-13-2009, 12:06 PM
I'm still betting it will go:

Origin

Parallax

Rebirth

For a trilogy...


Hal gets the gray temples at the end of the first film (in the script), hinting at his fall to darkness being apparent.

Parallax is likely how they'd introduce Kyle too.

I agree, but I had to laugh at "Hal gets the gray temples at the end of the first film (in the script), hinting at his fall to darkness being apparent."

Him looking older means he's getting evil, don't trust anyone over thirty. :woot::oldrazz:

Man of Tomorrow
03-13-2009, 12:39 PM
Haha.

Yeah, Geoff Johns and his whacky explanations.

But I love that they included that in the script, nice nod to the comics.

AnorexicBatman
03-13-2009, 01:32 PM
On the contrary... I feel that Hal should become the villain in the Third Film and sacrifice himself. The movie ends with a shock twist... the hero is now evil, his ring falls into the hands of a young animator named Kyle Rayner and the newcomer must defeat kill him...

For the first time in superhero history... a hero falls from grace and makes a final valiant sacrifice to save the universe... a tear jerking moment...

Kyle's trilogy would revolve around the theme of revival. With him becoming Ion, restoring the central battery, stuffing Parralax's dirty yellow ass into it and the last scene of his trilogy would involve Hal mysteriously appearing as THE SPECTER!!!

Then a rebirth film with every earth Lantern versus Sinestro and his minions....

7 movies seems like a stretch.... but STAR WARS did it!

I think Green Lantern is the only DC superhero who seems to have too many stories to tell...
Star Sapphire, Sinestro Corps and the upcoming Blankest Night...

SuperFerret
03-13-2009, 01:37 PM
I think the "hero sacrificing himself to save the universe" angle should be saved for Barry Allen.

AnorexicBatman
03-13-2009, 01:41 PM
But that would have to be in the nigh impossible to pull off INFINITE CRISIS trilogy...
I dare WB to bring THAT to the big screen... i will eat my hat...

Man of Tomorrow
03-13-2009, 01:47 PM
7 movies?

This is WB and DC.. we'd be VERY lucky to get three realistically.

Man of Tomorrow
03-13-2009, 01:48 PM
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AnorexicBatman
03-13-2009, 01:50 PM
Then they are better of sticking to Hal....
I the near future... I see Marvel churning out regular superhero movies thus making it a genre of it's own. DC/WB however... not so sure...

What is WB scared of? That DC heroes are not as good as MARVEL?

SuperFerret
03-13-2009, 01:54 PM
But that would have to be in the nigh impossible to pull off INFINITE CRISIS trilogy...
I dare WB to bring THAT to the big screen... i will eat my hat...

Change "universe" to "world", and have Barry die fighting Professor Zoom or someone similar, and it still works in a Flash only movie. My point is that Barry's big moment is his heroic sacrifice and should be kept his. Hal's is his fall from grace.

AnorexicBatman
03-13-2009, 01:58 PM
Fine... I think some bits and pieces from FINAL NIGHT (the sacrifice I spoke of) were actually retconned for REBIRTH. So, I guess your idea could work... also we need the FLASH to have something special as well... I'd love if in a JLA film Superman admits to FLASH being most powerful of the bunch...

The Guard
03-13-2009, 02:31 PM
Elements of Parallax could definitely be woven into a sequel. Probably the third film, and Kyle Rayner could come in at that point. Use the other major GLs like Jon Stewart and Gardner in the second film.

Construct
03-13-2009, 04:16 PM
Those two events and the breadth of material in the GL universe make it seem that a more preferable alternative to a film would be an HBO miniseries leading up to Hal becoming the Spectre while telling the stories of the other Earth GLs, with Kyle being in the last installment. Afterwards, a feature film based on "Rebirth" would be released.

I know that sounds very ambitious story-wise and financially, but I think that it would give more time to the other GLs, provide a great background for the film as the characters would be already known (no need for origin stories), and it would be a different way for a DC property to be seen: a big-budget miniseries event.

It may not happen, but a guy can dream :yay:.

Jordacar
03-14-2009, 12:17 AM
When it comes to characters that have been around for ages, there's plenty of those drawn out story arcs that would just be too unweildy on film, which in a way is what makes the comics so fantastic, all these stories that seem to work exclusively on the comic page. GL seems to have way more than anyone else (at least that's how it may seem when reading this thread). It might be possible to hit notes like Parallax and Ion on film, but they'd probably have to take totally different routes on film to get there.

cerealkiller182
03-14-2009, 10:13 AM
I dont think its complicated at all. In fact, the mythos that was birthed from fixing Parallex by Johns is what is making Green Lantern currently so interesting.

On a fairly superficial level, the Parallax and Ion entities serve a very similar purpose as say Poseidon or Zeus in classic mythology. They were pulling strings even when not seen. And they chose heroes to tamper with. So I think the concept in general would not be hard to understand.

Webhead2006
03-14-2009, 11:11 AM
Yea i think if written well into the script it could easily be pulled off in future sequels for the gl characters.

The Major
03-14-2009, 05:13 PM
7 movies?

Easily.

This is WB and DC.. we'd be VERY lucky to get three realistically.

Which is a shame for both WB, the public and the fans.

The Major
03-14-2009, 05:15 PM
What is WB scared of? That DC heroes are not as good as MARVEL?
Fear. Lack of faith. Contempt for super-heroes that aren't Batman and Superman. No interest in actively educating Hollywood to make movies about the DCU. No motivation. Take your pick.

Motown Marvel
03-14-2009, 07:33 PM
parallax would be great as a two part film, but only if geoff johns is heavily involved in the storytelling.

Blackman
03-15-2009, 12:54 PM
Parallax/Ion would be good for the 2nd film
usually film series follow this structure

Film 1= Origin
Film 2= Darker Themed
Film 3= ....it varies

Think about it: Empire Strikes Back, Two Towers, X2, T2, TDK, Temple of Doom, upcoming Iron Man II

most always the second film is the darker themed one so Parallax/Ion/Red Lantern cops would be great for that

cryptic name
03-15-2009, 01:28 PM
What do you guys think of the eventual introduction of both characters in later sequels to the Franchise. I personally think it would be awesome. Of course I am talking about the original Ion who was all powerful and could turn and alien force away with a mere thought.

well in the script parallax and legion are kind of combined into one character

CaptainClown
03-19-2009, 03:55 AM
As long as they introduce it a lil bit in the first movie then it could work

CaptainClown
03-19-2009, 03:56 AM
Parallax/Ion would be good for the 2nd film
usually film series follow this structure

Film 1= Origin
Film 2= Darker Themed
Film 3= ....it varies

Think about it: Empire Strikes Back, Two Towers, X2, T2, TDK, Temple of Doom, upcoming Iron Man II

most always the second film is the darker themed one so Parallax/Ion/Red Lantern cops would be great for that
at this point i wanna show you how a typical story structure works and the trilogies typically follow a 3 act formula.

protocida
03-19-2009, 01:19 PM
There's a Parallax nod in the Script, so, you never know. I really hope they don't turn Hal in to a villain. That was lame.

boog_spin
03-19-2009, 01:58 PM
Fine... I think some bits and pieces from FINAL NIGHT (the sacrifice I spoke of) were actually retconned for REBIRTH. So, I guess your idea could work... also we need the FLASH to have something special as well... I'd love if in a JLA film Superman admits to FLASH being most powerful of the bunch...

man i would HATE that personally..the superman bit

dnno1
03-19-2009, 04:40 PM
I see no need for a Parallax story. I think it would just complicate things.

You just don't want to see Jordan become parallax. Parallax is the reason why there is a weakness among Green Lanterns to yellow and is necessary for future story telling. I don't see why he shouldn't be used. Ion would basically be the yin to Parallax's yang.

The Major
03-19-2009, 10:02 PM
Fine... I think some bits and pieces from FINAL NIGHT (the sacrifice I spoke of) were actually retconned for REBIRTH. So, I guess your idea could work... also we need the FLASH to have something special as well... I'd love if in a JLA film Superman admits to FLASH being most powerful of the bunch...
Flash isn't the most powerful JLA member, its Martian Manhunter.

CaptainClown
03-19-2009, 11:41 PM
There's a Parallax nod in the Script, so, you never know. I really hope they don't turn Hal in to a villain. That was lame.
Actually I thought that was insanely cool. I really liked Rayner as the last GL and I liked that a character I loved developed into a villain. (just like the two-face quote) If one wanted to, you could make it like a mini version of Darth Vaders arc.

SuperFerret
03-19-2009, 11:46 PM
Flash isn't the most powerful JLA member, its Martian Manhunter.

No, Flash is. J'onn can do a lot but when it comes down to sheer power, it's the Flash.

CaptainClown
03-20-2009, 12:02 AM
Flash's speed transcends J'onn's. Can't he become pure energy or something that can run through the fabric of reality or something. I dunno I just remember that.

SuperFerret
03-20-2009, 12:04 AM
I know he can travel between dimensions.

Panthro
04-17-2009, 08:07 PM
Parallax (basically the Harvey Dent/Two-Face idea on steroids) done right could make for one very grand epic film.

protocida
04-17-2009, 09:18 PM
NO PARALLAX! :angry:

At least, not possesing Hal. :oldrazz:

The Major
04-17-2009, 09:50 PM
Flash's speed transcends J'onn's. Can't he become pure energy or something that can run through the fabric of reality or something. I dunno I just remember that.
On speed Flash wins. That doesn't make Flash the most powerful, though. J'onn excels at versatility with super-strength, fight, intangibility, super-speed, telepathy and all other exotic powers he has. He's the swiss army knife of the JLA.

protocida
04-17-2009, 11:12 PM
I'd say they're matched.

dnno1
04-17-2009, 11:13 PM
NO PARALLAX! :angry:

At least, not possesing Hal. :oldrazz:

You don't understand. Having a hero go rogue is a part of great storytelling. Heros like Beowulf, Gilgamesh, Hercules, and Anakin Skywalker went rogue and eventually were redeemed. These were all part of epic stories. The same thing should happen in the Green Lantern trilogy if you want it to be "done right".

protocida
04-17-2009, 11:21 PM
It can be "done right" without the GODDAM PARALLAX STORY!

CaptainClown
04-18-2009, 12:10 AM
On speed Flash wins. That doesn't make Flash the most powerful, though. J'onn excels at versatility with super-strength, fight, intangibility, super-speed, telepathy and all other exotic powers he has. He's the swiss army knife of the JLA.
sure he has a majority of that but it is all kind of trumped if the flash could just turn into a flash of power that transcends time and could just simple light martian manhunter on fire.

The Major
04-18-2009, 05:10 AM
sure he has a majority of that but it is all kind of trumped if the flash could just turn into a flash of power that transcends time and could just simple light martian manhunter on fire.
True.

Blackman
05-05-2009, 08:13 PM
Parallax FTW

protocida
05-05-2009, 08:33 PM
Parallax FTF.